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Andiamo
11-29-2007, 10:43 PM
I sent this to a friend, and we were talking about how crazy we thought this was . . . any opinions . . .
Briton Guilty in Sudan Blasphemy Case
By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU,
AP
Posted: 2007-11-29 17:05:02
Filed Under: World News
KHARTOUM, Sudan (Nov. 29) - A British teacher in Sudan was convicted Thursday of the less-serious charge of insulting Islam for letting her pupils name a teddy bear "Muhammad," and was sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation to Britain, one of her lawyers said.
Gillian Gibbons could have received 40 lashes and six months in prison in the case if found guilty of the more serious charge of inciting religious hatred and given the maximum penalty.
Photo Gallery: 'Very Serious and Very Unfair'
Reuters
A court in Sudan on Thursday convicted British elementary school teacher Gillian Gibbons, here in an undated photo, of "insulting the faith of Muslims" for letting her pupils name a teddy bear Muhammad.
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In London, the Foreign Office said it was "extremely disappointed with the sentence," adding that Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador to explain the verdict.
Gibbons, 54, was arrested Sunday after complaints to the Education Ministry that she had insulted Prophet Muhammad, the most revered figure in Islam, by applying his name to a teddy bear.
She was found guilty of "insulting the faith of Muslims in Sudan" under Article 125 of the Sudanese criminal code, a less-serious charge than the original count of inciting religious hatred, said Ali Mohammed Ajab, a member of her defense team.
The charge later was confirmed by a judge who was leaving the closed court session.
"I feel this is very serious and very unfair," Ajab told The Associated Press outside court. Ajab, who also works for the Khartoum Center for Human Rights, said the issue was raised by "hard-liners who are always trying to make some noise," in an apparent reference to religious conservatives.
Ajab said his center would appeal the verdict.
Gibbons' employer, Robert Boulos of the Unity High School, called it "a very fair verdict."
"She could have had six months and lashes and a fine, and she only got 15 days and deportation," Boulos said. He noted that she would only spend 10 days in prison, having already served five.
Gibbons is expected to serve her sentence in the Omdurman women's prison near Khartoum.
Religious conservatives in Sudan were outraged by the naming of the teddy bear, and defense lawyers reported receiving death threats.
"I am threatened, that's why I'm carrying a gun in court," defense lawyer Abdel Khalig Abdallah said, opening his coat to reveal a revolver during a break in the trial.
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2007-11-29 15:51:11
JeeberD
11-29-2007, 10:53 PM
Duh. Everyone knows that teddy bears are evil.
Groundhog
11-29-2007, 10:58 PM
When in Sudan, do as the Sudanese do.
CU Tiger
11-30-2007, 06:40 AM
Im not sure what to think.
I think its crazy, but im not sure there wouldnt be a shit storm here (for different reasons) if a teacher had a teddy bear named Jesus Christ in her room....
Lashings would be cool only if she is hawt, nakeed and they find their way to You Tube.
Klinglerware
11-30-2007, 06:44 AM
Lashings would be cool only if she is hawt, nakeed and they find their way to You Tube.
Well, here she is:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00246/teacher3385_246164a.jpg
Critch
11-30-2007, 06:58 AM
This has been all over the British press this week. She allowed the children to name the teddy bears and one of the kids wanted to name a bear after himself. Unfortunately the kid was called Muhammad.
If he'd been called Bob, it would never have made the papers.
Passacaglia
11-30-2007, 07:18 AM
This has been all over the British press this week. She allowed the children to name the teddy bears and one of the kids wanted to name a bear after himself. Unfortunately the kid was called Muhammad.
If he'd been called Bob, it would never have made the papers.
I'd heard that the kids had a vote, and that Muhammad was the popular choice, but not that it was named after one of the kids. Damn, what kind of egotist wants to name the class teddy bear after himself?
Subby
11-30-2007, 07:33 AM
We should invade Sudan for this.
JonInMiddleGA
11-30-2007, 07:35 AM
I was more impressed by the thousands of Sudanese, some wielding clubs & knives, who took to the streets afterwards demanding that the teacher be executed.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20071130/D8T80JPG0.html
JonInMiddleGA
11-30-2007, 07:36 AM
We should invade Sudan for this.
Why waste the time or manpower?
A thorough carpet bombing should do several hundred million dollars worth of civic improvements so it's a win-win alternative.
dacman
11-30-2007, 07:40 AM
Welcome to Africa.
Draft Dodger
11-30-2007, 07:42 AM
We should invade Sudan for this.
they do have oil...
Pumpy Tudors
11-30-2007, 08:02 AM
wow other countries are different from ours this is shocking
rkmsuf
11-30-2007, 08:04 AM
Yes, seriously.
Quietly puts Jesus the toilet paper dispenser in the back of the closet.
MIJB#19
11-30-2007, 09:03 AM
This made me wonder why parents who name their kids Muhammed are not punished. Most of the time human beings grow up to do more harm than teddy bears...
Passacaglia
11-30-2007, 09:07 AM
Seriously.
NoMyths
11-30-2007, 09:13 AM
Sudan is where Bin Laden worked to develop an Islamic regime (and certainly worked to train terrorists), supporting the Taliban financially and with internal improvement projects before being run out of town for complicated reasons. It's unsurprising that there is a lot of militant anti-Western feeling there.
Pumpy Tudors
11-30-2007, 09:16 AM
hay guys, did yall hear that in new orleans, they refer to medians as "neutral grounds"
can you believe that shit i mean damn
Draft Dodger
11-30-2007, 09:43 AM
btw, this is why I'm afraid to travel to other countries. I'm fearful that I'm going to unwittingly break some law and end up in prison.
Critch
11-30-2007, 10:13 AM
btw, this is why I'm afraid to travel to other countries. I'm fearful that I'm going to unwittingly break some law and end up in prison.
Most of the stuff you want to do is illegal here too.
JediKooter
11-30-2007, 11:25 AM
Why aren't they punishing the children? After all they are the ones who named it.
molson
11-30-2007, 11:26 AM
wow other countries are different from ours this is shocking
You make it sound like people are making fun of funny hats that they wear.
They want to execute this broad over a teddy bear. At some point, cultural differences reach the realm of simply being "backwards". This is one of those times.
Pumpy Tudors
11-30-2007, 12:35 PM
You make it sound like people are making fun of funny hats that they wear.
They want to execute this broad over a teddy bear. At some point, cultural differences reach the realm of simply being "backwards". This is one of those times.
if you say so
Critch
11-30-2007, 01:31 PM
Khartoum is a city of over 2 million and the BBC reports there were 300 at the protest wanting the teacher executed. Seems a bit of a small sample to be able to claim that "they" want to execute the lady.
Any city in the world can whip up 300 whackjobs to protest just about any whackjob issue.
Crapshoot
11-30-2007, 01:33 PM
Its ridiculous - I don't think there is any vestige of doubt about that. Its the equivalent of a country run by JIMGA's.
IMetTrentGreen
11-30-2007, 01:46 PM
ha
Super Ugly
11-30-2007, 01:49 PM
This made me wonder why parents who name their kids Muhammed are not punished. Most of the time human beings grow up to do more harm than teddy bears...
It's okay to name people Mohammed. Naming objects or pets Mohammed is classed as idolatry, apparently.
Sounds like she got off pretty lightly, all told. I feel sorry for the poor woman, but also for the kids in the school she was teaching at. I read somewhere that they have a hard enough time trying to recruit people as it is. Now imagine what their job ads are going to look like? "Must hold relevant teaching qualification, must be able to supply good references, ability to endure forty lashes in event of cultural faux pas is desirable, etc."
lighthousekeeper
11-30-2007, 01:51 PM
Why waste the time or manpower?
A thorough carpet bombing should do several hundred million dollars worth of civic improvements so it's a win-win alternative.
Seriously?
Passacaglia
11-30-2007, 01:58 PM
Khartoum is a city of over 2 million and the BBC reports there were 300 at the protest wanting the teacher executed. Seems a bit of a small sample to be able to claim that "they" want to execute the lady.
Any city in the world can whip up 300 whackjobs to protest just about any whackjob issue.
You think?
http://fieldsfanschicago.org/
Thanks to you, our September 9th, 2007 protest rally in support of the return of Marshall Field's was our most successful yet. Hundreds of you were there for Chicago--hundreds of you were there to help bring back Marshall Field's! All who helped in some way have our admiration, respect and deepest regard. With coverage running from neighborhood newspapers and personal internet blogs to national television and international news syndicates, the message that Chicago will not settle for anything less than Marshall Field's was seen and heard around the world.
Crapshoot
11-30-2007, 02:08 PM
Welcome to Africa.
How so? Having lived there, I'd love to hear how this is representative.
JeeberD
11-30-2007, 02:24 PM
How so? Having lived there, I'd love to hear how this is representative.
I think that was a play on the "Welcome to Hollywood" phrase that was so popular here for a while...
Crapshoot
11-30-2007, 02:27 PM
I think that was a play on the "Welcome to Hollywood" phrase that was so popular here for a while...
In which case, I'm an idiot. Thanks Jeebs. :D
dacman
11-30-2007, 02:27 PM
I think that was a play on the "Welcome to Hollywood" phrase that was so popular here for a while...
That and I thought I read she hadn't been in country for very long. Seemed apropos.
Lathum
11-30-2007, 02:33 PM
I wonder if there are people in Sudan reading news stories from the USA saying
"Man, American government is fucked up. How can they allow some religous group to protest funerals for dead soldiers and not do anything about it?"
st.cronin
11-30-2007, 02:57 PM
I wonder if there are people in Sudan reading news stories from the USA saying
"Man, American government is fucked up. How can they allow some religous group to protest funerals for dead soldiers and not do anything about it?"
More like:
Are you kidding me? Some people in America don't get to watch the Packers and the Cowboys. What a fucked up country."
Draft Dodger
11-30-2007, 03:01 PM
In which case, I'm an idiot. Thanks Jeebs. :D
a well-traveled idiot, though
Crapshoot
11-30-2007, 03:10 PM
a well-traveled idiot, though
True, and not-one who dresses like David Spade (+ 100 lbs). :D
molson
11-30-2007, 03:11 PM
Khartoum is a city of over 2 million and the BBC reports there were 300 at the protest wanting the teacher executed. Seems a bit of a small sample to be able to claim that "they" want to execute the lady.
Maybe. But she did end up with 2 weeks jail, deportation, and I'm sure, a fear of a much worse fate.
So they've advanced maybe to 400 AD on the culture progress scale.
st.cronin
11-30-2007, 03:25 PM
Khartoum is a city of over 2 million and the BBC reports there were 300 at the protest wanting the teacher executed. Seems a bit of a small sample to be able to claim that "they" want to execute the lady.
Any city in the world can whip up 300 whackjobs to protest just about any whackjob issue.
You have to make sure you zero your scale. The whackjobs are the ones who want to give her 40 lashes - the 300 protesters are insisting that the whackjobs are not whacky enough, they should be more whacky.
Groundhog
11-30-2007, 05:01 PM
The country has strict religious laws. No doubt the teacher had NFI the trouble it would cause her, but really, if you are going to live and work in a place like Sudan, you owe it to yourself to research things like this. I've casually read more than enough news stories like this in the past to know that you don't name something like a teddy bear after their religion's number 1 prophet. Not in Sudan, at least.
Subby
11-30-2007, 09:24 PM
Here's the problem in The Sudan. None of the men there know the feeling of a fine, velvety Pumpy Tudors mustache. It's like a chamois for your upper lip. Entire cities have chilled out after adopting it.
Pumpy Tudors must travel to The Sudan as an International Mustache Ambassador! Only then will mankind know peace in our time.
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