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Peregrine
12-04-2007, 09:44 AM
I recently purchased the game Commander: Europe at War from Slitherine Strategies, after I read several good reviews of it, including an excellent one by Bill Trotter on The Wargamer. Over the last few days I have really enjoyed playing the game, which is a very approachable and easy to play World War 2 operational level game.

The basic gameplay reminds me a lot of the classic Panzer General series, your units, whether infantry, armor, air, or ships, are a simple icon with a starting strength of 10. As they fight, that strength is reduced, though you can repair and reinforce them or pull them out of the line if they are almost destroyed. You only have to deal with a few units which makes the gameplay fun and easy. For example, playing as Germany about to invade Poland, the Germans have (roughly) two armor divisions, a couple of motorized infantry units, and four or five infantry ones. That's it. when units attack, you get a rough estimate of the losses on each side, which is affected by a lot of factors, including the attack and defense strengths of the units, terrain, supporting units, etc. Then you attack, each side takes appropriate casualties, and you can take ground if you win or retreat if you lose. The whole combat sounds very simple, but it has some depth, the depth is just managed by the computer.

All of your alliance's activities are limited by your Production Points. These points are used for everything, from repairing and reinforcing your damaged units, to buying new units, setting up research labs, and even declaring war. You get a certain amount of PPs to start and have to take over territory to get more of them. You can buy several types of units and ships, and even buy leaders who can really make a regular unit a great one. However you never have enough PPs to do all the things you want to. You only play as an alliance, not as an individual country, but each country in your alliance has separate pools of PPs and research.

Research in the game has been very abstracted, but is still interesting. This isn't like Hearts of Iron where you have a million things to research, essentially you choose between Infantry, Armor, Air, Navy, and General. Each of these has three categories, you can focus in one or just get general research across all three. You have to buy research labs in a particular category before you get any research, so if you don't have an Air lab your Air research won't increase. The General category is very useful, as its sub-categories are Radar, Industry, and Organization, all of which are very useful. Once you get enough research in an area, you get a new level in it, and those units get a particular bonus. It's fun to watch how the research gives one side or the other a bonus for a while, if you're cranking sub research and they are lower in ASW, your subs run wild, but eventually they catch up and it's even again.

Well I guess that's all I've got on the game. I like it a lot, it's easy to play but has a lot of re-playability, there are several scenarios, as well as a great war game. You have the option to have an open-ended war, so if you want to see a German controlled Europe slug it out with the USA, you can.

The game is available via digital download through Matrix Games or via Slitherine. The latest patch for it is 1.04. There's no demo that I know of.



War on the Eastern Front

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/krm123/game_990855634.jpg






Research Screen (Looks a bit different in the final version)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/krm123/research.jpg

Tasan
12-04-2007, 10:50 AM
yeouch....$49.95. I'll pass til it lowers, although it look exactly like what I'm wanting for a war game right now.

Icy
12-04-2007, 10:53 AM
Looks exactly like the panzer general series as you said. Light wargames that were really fun. I might give it a try too after some time, too much games wating to be played rigth now, but this one will be in my list for sure as i don't have now the time and patience to play deep wargames.

Peregrine
12-04-2007, 11:02 AM
It is a lighter game, but there's some depth underneath, which I appreciate. I did hate to pay "full price" for it but I've enjoyed it a lot. One thing I think is good is the AI, it's made a few mistakes but overall it's been good, I've seen it retreat units from exposed positions, create a reserve behind the lines, strongly defend important targets, etc.

Apathetic Lurker
12-04-2007, 11:14 AM
yeouch....$49.95. I'll pass til it lowers, although it look exactly like what I'm wanting for a war game right now.


It's sold by Matrix..good luck seeing it lowered in your lifetime.

Trust me its worth it if you like those type of games, especially after the patch.

twothree
12-04-2007, 01:01 PM
yeouch....$49.95. I'll pass til it lowers, although it look exactly like what I'm wanting for a war game right now.
It's sold by Matrix..good luck seeing it lowered in your lifetime.

Even their sale prices are usually higher than I want to pay. At least for me, if their prices were lower on their titles, they would have had quite a bit more of my money. As it is, I just look at the titles and never buy them, with one exception. I did purchase a copy of Gary Grigsby's World at War (the original version, not A World Divided) in a store for $20.

If you can purchase the title anywhere else it will always be cheaper. One example: AEGOD's American Civil War is cheaper on gamersgate or through AEGOD's website than it is through Matrix.

I have a ton of the original games that Matrix has "remade" (all the previous Talonsoft titles that they acquired plus SSG's Reach for the Stars), but I have never bought a Matrix version because they are just to expensive for the "upgrade".

Coffee Warlord
12-04-2007, 01:33 PM
It's sold by Matrix..good luck seeing it lowered in your lifetime.

Hell, they're still selling a certain game of Maximumness for 49.95.

Peregrine
12-04-2007, 02:03 PM
It could be worse, since they want $59.95 for the physical shipment version!

larrymcg421
12-04-2007, 02:11 PM
It's sold by Matrix..good luck seeing it lowered in your lifetime.

Trust me its worth it if you like those type of games, especially after the patch.

They do currently have a 25% off holiday deal for selected items.

However, I almost completely avoid Matrix due to their awful support, especially w/r/t licensing.

Apathetic Lurker
12-04-2007, 05:26 PM
They do currently have a 25% off holiday deal for selected items.

However, I almost completely avoid Matrix due to their awful support, especially w/r/t licensing.

ive never had any problems with thier support, but then i bypass thier download service and communicate with the big dogs themselves

Galaril
12-04-2007, 09:54 PM
It is a lighter game, but there's some depth underneath, which I appreciate. I did hate to pay "full price" for it but I've enjoyed it a lot. One thing I think is good is the AI, it's made a few mistakes but overall it's been good, I've seen it retreat units from exposed positions, create a reserve behind the lines, strongly defend important targets, etc.

How does this compare to Strategic Command 2 :Weapons and Warfare? I was looking at this one or Commander:Europe at War but only have tried the demo of SC 2 and can't see much differmces in the two of these. The fact Matrix doesn't have any demos is a terrible policy that really makes little sense (piracy?:rolleyes: ) and for what they ask for a game it seems like they are trying to prevent people from figuring out that a lot of their games are either shit or the new upgraded versions of old games are not any upgrade exzcept a basic patch.

Peregrine
12-05-2007, 06:25 AM
I've never played Strategic Command 2 (I think W&W is an expansion to the original game?) so I can't make a comparison. Looking at the reviews of SC2, they seem fairly average, but I don't know.

Personally reading Bill Trotter's review on The Wargamer was what really sealed the deal for me for CEAW, considering he's a wargaming legend and all.

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/commander_eaw/


There's an SC2 review also

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/strategic_command_2/

Calis
12-05-2007, 07:13 AM
I really enjoyed Gates of Troy and Spartan by Slitherine Studios(I might've been the only one), so I might have to give this a look.

Apathetic Lurker
12-05-2007, 09:27 AM
I really enjoyed Gates of Troy and Spartan by Slitherine Studios(I might've been the only one), so I might have to give this a look.

no you werent the only one..but I never tried Troy

sachmo71
12-05-2007, 11:26 AM
Did they lower the price of Pacific War yet?

larrymcg421
12-05-2007, 11:38 AM
Did they lower the price of Pacific War yet?

It is currently 25% off for the Holidays, which lowers it to $52.99.

Galaril
12-05-2007, 03:01 PM
I've never played Strategic Command 2 (I think W&W is an expansion to the original game?) so I can't make a comparison. Looking at the reviews of SC2, they seem fairly average, but I don't know.

Personally reading Bill Trotter's review on The Wargamer was what really sealed the deal for me for CEAW, considering he's a wargaming legend and all.

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/commander_eaw/


There's an SC2 review also

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/strategic_command_2/

Two things bother me about CEAW one no weather in game and no artillery as well as no stacking units.

Apathetic Lurker
12-05-2007, 05:15 PM
Two things bother me about CEAW one no weather in game and no artillery as well as no stacking units.

It's still a really really good game

Galaril
12-05-2007, 07:49 PM
It's still a really really good game

and the other ting is it doesn't have global campaign or map so no playing the pacific. THough that is probably so they can sell a sequel. In any case it may be a good game bt not without a demo and at Matrix prices.

sachmo71
12-06-2007, 07:24 AM
and the other ting is it doesn't have global campaign or map so no playing the pacific. THough that is probably so they can sell a sequel. In any case it may be a good game bt not without a demo and at Matrix prices.


Strategic Command 1 was Europe only as well, but Clash of Steel didn't have a Pacific Theater either, IIRC, and was a wonderful game.

Peregrine
12-06-2007, 09:23 AM
Two things bother me about CEAW one no weather in game and no artillery as well as no stacking units.

It actually has some weather, it is handled via events though. Like I'm invading Russia right now and in the winter you get hammered by special winter events that slow down your movement and make your troops less effective.

Also artillery is there too, but not as a separate unit, it's one of the research paths and is counted toward making infantry units better, giving them higher shock values.

Galaril
12-06-2007, 09:27 AM
It actually has some weather, it is handled via events though. Like I'm invading Russia right now and in the winter you get hammered by special winter events that slow down your movement and make your troops less effective.

Also artillery is there too, but not as a separate unit, it's one of the research paths and is counted toward making infantry units better, giving them higher shock values.


I will probably go with SC 2 only because it has the whole global WW 2 map/campaign and CEAW really jut appears to be a slightly simplified SC 2.

Peregrine
12-06-2007, 09:56 AM
As far as I know SC2 is also Europe and the Atlantic only, I know that is how it was described in at least one review I read, from the Wargamer.

Galaril
12-06-2007, 11:08 AM
As far as I know SC2 is also Europe and the Atlantic only, I know that is how it was described in at least one review I read, from the Wargamer.

Actually there was a developer mod that was patched into the original SC2 and the expansion hasn't been given it yet but the developer on the WARGAMER forum posted he has sent a pacth with for the expansion with a updated global map to the publisher for them to test it and post it so...