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SirFozzie
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Cowboys get 10 on the NFC, Pats and Chargers get 8 each on the AFC side. At first I was going to protest that the Pats didn't have more, but then again, the only name I DON'T see on the roster that I think should have been is Wes Welker, (Harrison could, but since he was suspended for steroids, he's not eligible)

Sean Taylor gets in posthumously.

I'm trying to find a plain text link to add the rosters in..

SirFozzie
12-18-2007, 03:34 PM
Dola: still no luck on the plaintext: Here's a link instead:

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story;jsessionid=FEDDA8481D3C3C6EC35099E53D12A98A?id=09000d5d8053b226&template=without-video&confirm=true

molson
12-18-2007, 03:41 PM
Nice to see 3 Pats from the O-line. That's been a dominant unit.

Logan
12-18-2007, 03:43 PM
Matt Hasselback over Drew Brees?

MIJB#19
12-18-2007, 03:46 PM
Matt Hasselback over Drew Brees?Hey, they had to pick somebody as the 3rd quarterback behind Favre and Romo.

SirFozzie
12-18-2007, 03:47 PM
Here we go:

AFC Offense
Pos. Name Team
WR Randy Moss* New England
WR Reggie Wayne* Indianapolis
WR Braylon Edwards Cleveland
WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh Cincinnati
OT Matt Light* New England
OT Jason Peters* Buffalo
OT Jonathan Ogden Baltimore
OG Alan Faneca* Pittsburgh
OG Logan Mankins* New England
OG Kris Dielman San Diego
C Jeff Saturday* Indianapolis
C Dan Koppen New England
TE Antonio Gates* San Diego
TE Tony Gonzalez Kansas City
QB Tom Brady* New England
QB Peyton Manning Indianapolis
QB Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh
RB LaDainian Tomlinson* San Diego
RB Joseph Addai Indianapolis
RB Willie Parker Pittsburgh
FB Lorenzo Neal* San Diego

AFC Defense
Pos. Name Team
DE Jared Allen* Kansas City
DE Kyle Vanden Bosch* Tennessee
DE Jason Taylor Miami
DT Albert Haynesworth* Tennessee
DT Vince Wilfork* New England
DT Jamal Williams San Diego
OLB James Harrison* Pittsburgh
OLB Mike Vrabel* New England
OLB Shawne Merriman San Diego
ILB DeMeco Ryans* Houston
ILB Ray Lewis Baltimore
CB Champ Bailey* Denver
CB Asante Samuel* New England
CB Antonio Cromartie San Diego
FS Ed Reed* Baltimore
SS Bob Sanders* Indianapolis
SS Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh

AFC Special Teams
Pos. Name Team
Punter Shane Lechler Oakland
Kicker Rob Bironas Tennessee
Kick returner Josh Cribbs Cleveland
Special Teamer Kassim Osgood San Diego

* = Starter

NFC Offense
Pos. Name Team
WR Terrell Owens* Dallas
WR Larry Fitzgerald* Arizona
WR Donald Driver Green Bay
WR Torry Holt St. Louis
OT Flozell Adams* Dallas
OT Walter Jones* Seattle
OT Chris Samuels Washington
OG Leonard Davis* Dallas
OG Steve Hutchinson* Minnesota
OG Shawn Andrews Philadelphia
C Andre Gurode* Dallas
C Matt Birk Minnesota
TE Jason Witten* Dallas
TE Chris Cooley Washington
QB Brett Favre* Green Bay
QB Matt Hasselbeck Seattle
QB Tony Romo Dallas
RB Adrian Peterson* Minnesota
RB Marion Barber Dallas
RB Bryant Westbrook Philadelphia
FB Tony Richardson* Minnesota

NFC Defense
Pos. Name Team
DE Aaron Kampman* Green Bay
DE Patrick Kerney* Seattle
DE Osi Umenyiora N.Y. Giants
DT Kevin Williams* Minnesota
DT Pat Williams* Minnesota
DT Tommie Harris Chicago
OLB Julian Peterson* Seattle
OLB DeMarcus Ware* Dallas
OLB Lance Briggs Chicago
ILB Lofa Tatupu* Seattle
ILB Patrick Willis San Francisco
CB Al Harris* Green Bay
CB Marcus Trufant* Seattle
CB Terence Newman Dallas
FS Sean Taylor* Washington
FS Ken Hamlin Dallas
SS Darren Sharper* Minnesota

NFC Special Teams
Pos. Name Team
Punter Andy Lee San Francisco
Kicker Nick Folk Dallas
Kick returner Devin Hester Chicago
Special Teamer Brendon Ayanbadejo Chicago

* = Starter

RomaGoth
12-18-2007, 03:53 PM
What, no Detroit Lions? Only 1 Miami player (Taylor)?

What a travesty. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MikeVic
12-18-2007, 03:59 PM
I think it's great that a Pats fan sees there's 8 players from their team on the Pro Bowl roster, and the first instinct is to complain about there not being enough. :rolleyes:

Jas_lov
12-18-2007, 03:59 PM
Not enough Packers. The Packers should definitely be more represented since they're the best the NFC has to offer. Favre should boycott in protest.

Schmidty
12-18-2007, 04:00 PM
I know the Lions are awful, but I think Ernie Sims should have made the team as an alternate.

RomaGoth
12-18-2007, 04:01 PM
I know the Lions are awful, but I think Ernie Sims should have made the team as an alternate.

Agreed.

Greyroofoo
12-18-2007, 04:01 PM
Nice to see Reggie Wayne go.

Oh, and only 5 Colts!?!?!?!?!?!

rowech
12-18-2007, 04:02 PM
Not enough Packers. The Packers should definitely be more represented since they're the best the NFC has to offer. Favre should boycott in protest.

Just shows how good of a TEAM they are this year.

Miller Time
12-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Would have been nice to see Fred Taylor on that list.

SirFozzie
12-18-2007, 04:04 PM
I think it's great that a Pats fan sees there's 8 players from their team on the Pro Bowl roster, and the first instinct is to complain about there not being enough. :rolleyes:

And I think its great every time I look at the standings :D

It's kinda to be expected, you see that a team you beat at their house, by 21 points, has 10 players on the roster, which is more than your team... and you're tied with a team that you beat, by 24, and it wasn't even that close.

That's all.

RomaGoth
12-18-2007, 04:04 PM
Not enough Packers. The Packers should definitely be more represented since they're the best the NFC has to offer. Favre should boycott in protest.

How is there more Seahawks than Packers? Green Bay scored almost 70 more points than Seattle and only gave up 2 more on defense. :confused:

RomaGoth
12-18-2007, 04:06 PM
I think it's great that a Pats fan sees there's 8 players from their team on the Pro Bowl roster, and the first instinct is to complain about there not being enough. :rolleyes:

It never ends does it???? The only team I hate more than the Patriots is the Red Sox (well, maybe Ohio State too). :cool:

MIJB#19
12-18-2007, 04:08 PM
Interesting, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers got shutout.

Schmidty
12-18-2007, 04:09 PM
Hey Roma, I saw that you are from GR. What part? I was born in Kalamazoo and raised in Schoolcraft (among many other places), and I lived in Kentwood for many years before moving out here. I actually went to East Kentwood for parts of 2 years.

SirFozzie
12-18-2007, 04:09 PM
It never ends does it???? The only team I hate more than the Patriots is the Red Sox (well, maybe Ohio State too). :cool:

Your hate is delicious and nutritious :)


As I said, that was only a first impression, comparing the # of players to get in, on two teams we quite handily beat (20+ each), and when I looked over who was there, I pretty much agreed with the selections.

Travis
12-18-2007, 04:10 PM
How is there more Seahawks than Packers? Green Bay scored almost 70 more points than Seattle and only gave up 2 more on defense. :confused:

Hasselbeck vs Brees is close, but Hasselbeck has comparible numbers on 50 less attempts, 5 less interceptions and has been more consistent over the course of the season. Jones is maybe only playing at 80% this year, but that's still almost any other LT at 120%. Kerney is leading the league in sacks, Trufant is second in picks (at least entering this weekend). Tatupu I don't think will get much arguement at MLB, but I do think Peterson made it more on name than anything else. He's had a few spectacular games this season, but has also disappeared (our defensive coordinator has had some really awful ideas on how to "utilize" him in some games) for stretches as well. I'm not necessarily making a case against not having more Packers, but at least 5 of the 6 Seahawks deserve their spots in Hawaii imho.

miked
12-18-2007, 04:11 PM
No McKenzie or am I blind? I think his numbers smoke Harris's.

Edit: No Derek Anderson either?

Pumpy Tudors
12-18-2007, 04:18 PM
You know, I think it's great to see Braylon Edwards on the team. He deserves it. I know Cleveland's got a good record this year, but none of the players on that team really get a lot of attention. To me, Edwards is one of the most exciting players in the league, and by himself, he's enough to get me to watch a Browns game. Good for him.

On the other hand, it's sickening to see Champ Bailey there again. I know that people point to run defense as the big problem for the Broncos, but Champ is living purely off of reputation (a well-deserved reputation, but still). I have seen him make too many bad decisions over the past two years, and people continue to ignore it. As a Broncos fan, it pisses me off. In Washington, he showed how great of a player he is, and he's not bringing the same stuff to the table in Denver. What unsettles me is that he's supposed to be the classic "shutdown corner," yet nobody's afraid to throw at him, even with freakin' Dre Bly on the other side of the field. Brandon Marshall and Elvis Dumervil are the closest things that Denver has to true Pro Bowlers this year, and even those two wouldn't really deserve to go.

I guess I'm just pissy because I wish Champ Bailey would go back to playing like the guy who deserved to make the Pro Bowl year after year after year.

Travis
12-18-2007, 04:20 PM
Going back to the Packers, should Driver really be there over Jennings? 138 more yards for Driver, but 10 more TD's for Jennings.

vex
12-18-2007, 04:20 PM
Kelly Gregg continues to get overlooked.

Jas_lov
12-18-2007, 04:20 PM
How is there more Seahawks than Packers? Green Bay scored almost 70 more points than Seattle and only gave up 2 more on defense. :confused:

Exactly! And how are there more Vikings than Packers? The Vikings were absolutely destroyed by the Packers twice! I guess rowech is right, the Packers are just a better TEAM than all of these other posers. The Vikings are terrible and probably shouldn't even be in the playoffs, but the NFC just happens to be even more terrible.

Huckleberry
12-18-2007, 04:22 PM
Jacksonville got nobody. That's crazy.

And Fozzie, you can't use the Cowboys' total as a basis to complain about the Patriots' total. In case you haven't noticed, the Cowboys are in the NFC, the Patriots are in the AFC, and the AFC is a shitload better than the NFC.

Pumpy Tudors
12-18-2007, 04:28 PM
To the people asking about the Packers, who else from that team would go in? You can make a case for Jennings, but he would just take Driver's spot on the Pro Bowl team. Al Harris is an iffy pick as it is. I don't know a whole lot about the Packers, but Favre looks to be the only real lock for a Pro Bowl spot to me. Kampman is great, but there are at least a couple of other guys in the NFC who are good enough for the Pro Bowl, too.

You can't argue with Green Bay's record this year, but they just don't have many players who stand out enough to beat most of the other Pro Bowl picks.

SirFozzie
12-18-2007, 04:29 PM
Jacksonville got nobody. That's crazy.

And Fozzie, you can't use the Cowboys' total as a basis to complain about the Patriots' total. In case you haven't noticed, the Cowboys are in the NFC, the Patriots are in the AFC, and the AFC is a shitload better than the NFC.

Tru dat... but tied with the 9-5 chargers? :)

MrBug708
12-18-2007, 04:32 PM
The Pro Bowl should stop playing this game. 13 players won't go because they are "injured" and someone else will be there and be considered a Pro Bowl Player.

Pumpy Tudors
12-18-2007, 04:36 PM
The Pro Bowl should stop playing this game. 13 players won't go because they are "injured" and someone else will be there and be considered a Pro Bowl Player.
I know what you mean. Personally, I don't find any All-Star games watchable except the ECHL's, but the Pro Bowl is a complete waste. Does anybody out there enjoy watching it? Anybody at all? Anywhere?

Celeval
12-18-2007, 04:38 PM
Glad to see Josh Cribbs make it, too.

Travis
12-18-2007, 04:39 PM
I know what you mean. Personally, I don't find any All-Star games watchable except the ECHL's, but the Pro Bowl is a complete waste. Does anybody out there enjoy watching it? Anybody at all? Anywhere?

I'd really prefer if they went with just a skills competition setup with the pro bowl rosters. I know they kind of do this already and participation rates probably wouldn't be much better, but I find that way more fun to watch than the "game".

Maple Leafs
12-18-2007, 04:40 PM
Is Marion Barber the first player to make the Pro Bowl without even starting a game for his own team? There can't be many of those.

RomaGoth
12-18-2007, 04:43 PM
I know what you mean. Personally, I don't find any All-Star games watchable except the ECHL's, but the Pro Bowl is a complete waste. Does anybody out there enjoy watching it? Anybody at all? Anywhere?

I haven't enjoyed the Pro Bowl since Barry Sanders played in it. Of course, that was before the wheel was invented too, so we had no way to actually get anywhere other than to walk.

Nearly all of the all-star games are pathetic. Probably the most unwatchable of them all is the NBA all star game though. Good grief, just seeing the commercial for it makes me want to hang myself with some barbed wire. :eek:

Pumpy Tudors
12-18-2007, 04:44 PM
I'd really prefer if they went with just a skills competition setup with the pro bowl rosters. I know they kind of do this already and participation rates probably wouldn't be much better, but I find that way more fun to watch than the "game".
I'd prefer that, too. I like watching the NHL skills competition, and I like the NBA All-Star Saturday, but I don't even bother with the actual All-Star games. Football skills competitions would be pretty cool.

Izulde
12-18-2007, 04:48 PM
One Dolphin to rule them all.

mckerney
12-18-2007, 04:54 PM
Not enough Packers. The Packers should definitely be more represented since they're the best the NFC has to offer. Favre should boycott in protest.

Or maybe they're properly represented because although they don't have a lot of guys who are the best at their positions, they have good talent at every position. There's no doubt the Packers are a better team than the Vikings, but I think it could be fair to say the Vikings have more star players than the Packers do. The Vikings just happen to be terrible at a few key positions.

Raiders Army
12-18-2007, 04:55 PM
No Thomas Howard. The dude has 6 INTs! Harrison, Vrabel, and steriods Merriman all play in the 3-4 so of course they have more sacks. This is a joke.

Clark
12-18-2007, 04:57 PM
Nice to see that Cowboy's safety Roy Williams did not make the team.
Absolute joke he made the last four Pro-bowl teams. He is the most overrated defensive player in the NFL.

Raiders Army
12-18-2007, 05:02 PM
Sean Taylor should be recognized for his on-field contributions for the time he played this year, but he should notionally be named the starter and the true starter should be listed as such. Also, not to be a dick but he won't be there so there should be four safeties named for the NFC.

Mustang
12-18-2007, 05:06 PM
As a Packer fan, the only Packer that I think really got snubbed was Barnett. It was either going to be Driver or Jennings & Woodson or Harris but, not both. Tauscher could make it but, pretty much the O-Line is an inherited right over time in that once you are there you don't go away.

RomaGoth
12-18-2007, 05:22 PM
Sean Taylor should be recognized for his on-field contributions for the time he played this year, but he should notionally be named the starter and the true starter should be listed as such. Also, not to be a dick but he won't be there so there should be four safeties named for the NFC.

Dick. :D

Cringer
12-18-2007, 05:52 PM
Not enough Packers. The Packers should definitely be more represented since they're the best the NFC has to offer. Favre should boycott in protest.


If the sportsbooks would take the bet, I would lay a couple grand on Favre NOT playing in the Pro Bowl. He hasn't done it for a while. As with most veterans, it's an honor to be on the team but playing the game is just viewed as a pain in the ass.


As for other Packers, I do feel Woodson got a little screwed, but he is on the alternative list and he probably wouldn't go anyways. Jennings/Driver is a toss up. Jennings is the big play guy with the touchdowns and would actually go to the game since it would be his first, so I kind of wish he had it over Driver because I agree that both wouldn't get in. Barnett got screwed. The offensive line didn't really earn any IMO. Grant, had he been playing all year would be in for sure IMO.

Kind of on this subject, Al Harris was just on Bubba The Love Sponge (a big Packer fan) for the second time in a month. Listening to him on that show is the best athlete interview ever I feel. The first time he was laughing like mad everytime someone cussed. This time on the show the first thing he said was "I just want to start this off by saying ASS." It's great to hear an athlete talk the way they actually would instead of trying to censor what they say and be totally P.C.

ISiddiqui
12-18-2007, 05:52 PM
Joe Thomas seems to be the biggest snub to me. But then again, he's a rookie tackle, so he isn't as high profile as say, Adrian Peterson.

Alan T
12-18-2007, 06:08 PM
Would have been nice to see Fred Taylor on that list.


I agree, this is the biggest ommission that I saw. Addai should be replaced by Taylor.

cartman
12-18-2007, 06:12 PM
Since 2/3 of the votes come from NFL players and coaches, the Pro Bowl selections are pretty much made by a player's peers. You'd think that they more than fans would know who deserves to go.

Surtt
12-18-2007, 06:15 PM
Exactly! And how are there more Vikings than Packers? The Vikings were absolutely destroyed by the Packers twice! I guess rowech is right, the Packers are just a better TEAM than all of these other posers. The Vikings are terrible and probably shouldn't even be in the playoffs, but the NFC just happens to be even more terrible.

7 points =/= absolutely destroyed.

Did you watch the first game?
Green Bay was lucky to win.

st.cronin
12-18-2007, 06:15 PM
I can't believe Tom Brady didn't make it.

Cringer
12-18-2007, 06:30 PM
Since 2/3 of the votes come from NFL players and coaches, the Pro Bowl selections are pretty much made by a player's peers. You'd think that they more than fans would know who deserves to go.

That can be debated, and has been for years. Some people say the fans just always vote for the biggest names and not the actual best players of that year. Then you have people who can argue that players and coaches don't get to see that many other players enough to really say who is the best in the league. Players will tend to vote for their teammates more then any other team's players, and after that they will tend to vote guys they have been playing against. I am guessing the NFC North players don't know much more about the AFC North players then what they see on highlight shows. They could base things on playing guys in previous years, but then that goes along with fans voting on big names because of their previous seasons.

In other words, it's not a perfect system.

tucker rocky
12-18-2007, 06:47 PM
What happened to the, "at least 1 player from every team represented theory"?

tucker rocky
12-18-2007, 06:55 PM
Another thing, the rosters for the Pro Bowl need to be expanded, 4 QB's, 4 RB's, etc.

Cringer
12-18-2007, 06:58 PM
What happened to the, "at least 1 player from every team represented theory"?

I think that is just baseball.

thealmighty
12-18-2007, 07:13 PM
Nice to see that Cowboy's safety Roy Williams did not make the team.
Absolute joke he made the last four Pro-bowl teams. He is the most overrated defensive player in the NFL.

As a Cowboys fan it pains me to say that I must agree with this assessment. :(

CU Tiger
12-18-2007, 07:37 PM
The Packers should definitely be more represented since they're the best the NFC has to offer.

I know it was on NFL Network and only 4 households get that, but the final score was 37-27....;)

Tru dat... but tied with the 9-5 chargers? :)

just goes to show you the difference betwen Excellent coaching and HORRIBLE coaching.

how many games would the Chargers win with Beellicheat as their coach?

JonInMiddleGA
12-18-2007, 07:42 PM
Absolute joke he made the last four Pro-bowl teams. He is the most overrated defensive player in the NFL not named MeAngelo Hall

Fixed that for you.

Abe Sargent
12-18-2007, 08:36 PM
Would have been nice to see Fred Taylor on that list.

Welcome to playing football in the smallest market in the NFL (if you count Milwaukee in Green Bay's market, otherwise second smallest). This is why I chose my Jags as the team to support years ago when they first joined the league. You don't get much more underdog than them.

10-4 and not a single player on the Pro Bowl team.

-Abe

Abe Sargent
12-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Tru dat... but tied with the 9-5 chargers? :)

Wanna use record to gripe, the 10-4 Jaguars - 0. 9-5 Chargers - 8.

Schmidty
12-18-2007, 08:42 PM
If I could force myself to not be a Lions chump (never gonna happen), the first team I'd support would be the Jags. My wife still likes them because of that stupid training camp show from 2-3 years ago, but fakes her rooting for the Lions.

astrosfan64
12-18-2007, 08:45 PM
I can't believe Mario Williams didn't make it. He has had a great season, he should of been a reserve at the very least.

Abe Sargent
12-18-2007, 08:47 PM
That can be debated, and has been for years. Some people say the fans just always vote for the biggest names and not the actual best players of that year. Then you have people who can argue that players and coaches don't get to see that many other players enough to really say who is the best in the league. Players will tend to vote for their teammates more then any other team's players, and after that they will tend to vote guys they have been playing against. I am guessing the NFC North players don't know much more about the AFC North players then what they see on highlight shows. They could base things on playing guys in previous years, but then that goes along with fans voting on big names because of their previous seasons.

In other words, it's not a perfect system.

Also consider this:

Pro Bowls are used as incentives in contracts, and deciding who goes to the Hall of Fame. It has a real impact, yet we've all seen players go year in and year out because they have momentum and cred like Ruben Brown or Mike Alstott.

I honestly think the media should choose the Pro Bowl. Fans are biased because they vote for the names or their own players. Players and coaches don;t have time to watch every game each week, because they have to preparer and get ready, but the media watches every game because its their job. Create a council of elder media to hammer out the Pro Bowl. Then, if they snubbed Fred Taylor who has the longest runs in the AFC this year, a 5.1 ypc that obliterates the competition and hit th 10,000 yard mark this year, it wouldn;t feel like Jacksonville got hosed because it's a small market rather than something just honestly disagreed, which I could live with.

Abe Sargent
12-18-2007, 08:49 PM
If I could force myself to not be a Lions chump (never gonna happen), the first team I'd support would be the Jags. My wife still likes them because of that stupid training camp show from 2-3 years ago, but fakes her rooting for the Lions.

Just make the Jags your favorite AFC team! For the NFC, my fav team is the Giants! Imagine my surprise when the G-Men hired my old coach.

bhlloy
12-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Then, if they snubbed Fred Taylor who has the longest runs in the AFC this year, a 5.1 ypc that obliterates the competition and hit th 10,000 yard mark this year, it wouldn;t feel like Jacksonville got hosed because it's a small market rather than something just honestly disagreed, which I could live with.

Except the media by definition is even more biased against small market teams. I think 100% of the voting should go to players and coaches, with the qualification that they can't vote for their own teammates/players.

It's never going to change though because the NFL is making bank by letting the fans vote through text messaging, advertising and all the e-mail addresses they collect when they vote online.

Abe Sargent
12-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Except the media by definition is even more biased against small market teams. I think 100% of the voting should go to players and coaches, with the qualification that they can't vote for their own teammates/players.

It's never going to change though because the NFL is making bank by letting the fans vote through text messaging, advertising and all the e-mail addresses they collect when they vote online.

No they aren't. A football analyst for ESPN doesn't care if the best player at LB plays for Jacksonville or the Jets, he looks at the players, not the location. Take a look at some of the medias mock Pro Bowls and who they would have chosen, and you'll see more fair representation.

The entire NFC South should be spewing fire right now. You think teh meida would snub an entire division?

tucker rocky
12-18-2007, 09:26 PM
I think the algorithms of the Pro Bowl voting process needs to be re-written.

Butter
12-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Glad to see TJ Houshmandzadeh make it over Chad Johnson this year. Chad has been pretty horrible most of the season. TJ has been the Bengals' go-to receiver all year. Well deserved selection.

k0ruptr
12-18-2007, 09:56 PM
No Thomas Howard. The dude has 6 INTs! Harrison, Vrabel, and steriods Merriman all play in the 3-4 so of course they have more sacks. This is a joke.

QFT Howard should be there. absolutely.

and I'm glad no Panthers made it. sadly no one deserved it this year :(

Subby
12-18-2007, 10:14 PM
Sean Taylor should be recognized for his on-field contributions for the time he played this year, but he should notionally be named the starter and the true starter should be listed as such. Also, not to be a dick but he won't be there so there should be four safeties named for the NFC.Not only are you a dick, but I think the illiterate hobo you hired to write that first sentence for you might have been overpaid.

Abe Sargent
12-18-2007, 11:50 PM
I agree with the sentiment that Sean Taylor should be given some honorarium and a safety named in his place. Again, we use the Pro Bowl for things like salaries and HoF votes, so let's put the next highest vote getter in.

-Abe

stevew
12-19-2007, 12:13 AM
No Vince Young? Suprising. I thought the stats didn't matter cause all he does is win.

Vinatieri for Prez
12-19-2007, 01:53 AM
I honestly think the media should choose the Pro Bowl. Fans are biased because they vote for the names or their own players. Players and coaches don;t have time to watch every game each week, because they have to preparer and get ready, but the media watches every game because its their job. Create a council of elder media to hammer out the Pro Bowl. Then, if they snubbed Fred Taylor who has the longest runs in the AFC this year, a 5.1 ypc that obliterates the competition and hit th 10,000 yard mark this year, it wouldn;t feel like Jacksonville got hosed because it's a small market rather than something just honestly disagreed, which I could live with.

They already do this for the All-Pro voting. Those are the only honors I care about. And they usually get that right for the most part.

sabotai
12-19-2007, 02:01 AM
I can't believe Tom Brady didn't make it.

The voters probably thought he'd be too busy banging super hot models and wouldn't have time for such a pointless game.

MIJB#19
12-19-2007, 03:18 AM
I agree with the sentiment that Sean Taylor should be given some honorarium and a safety named in his place. Again, we use the Pro Bowl for things like salaries and HoF votes, so let's put the next highest vote getter in.

-AbeNah, I think they should work the Taylor 'situation' out in a similar fashion as with players who are not able to attend due to (very minor) injuries or personal reasons: the best player gets mentioned as a starter, but the first backup will startin the Pro Bowl and the first (and next) next alternate safety will be added to the roster.

Julio Riddols
12-19-2007, 10:41 AM
It is absolutely hilarious to me the Marion Barber has not totally made Julius Jones a forgotten man in Dallas, let alone start in front of him..

He is going to play half his career as a part timer, then be past his prime when they finally decide to use him as he deserves to be. I just don't get the logic in Dallas on that one.

Good that he made the pro bowl though.. He deserves it simply because its obvious he is one of the better backs in the league.

I think Fred Taylor got ripped, as well as Mario Williams, who looks like the right choice after so much debate over him being selected before Reggie Bush. He looked absolutely dominant last week. Marques Colston also seems to have been snubbed pretty badly.

Karlifornia
12-19-2007, 12:09 PM
The Bay Area: At least we can punt that ball!

Raiders Army
12-19-2007, 05:43 PM
Not only are you a dick, but I think the illiterate hobo you hired to write that first sentence for you might have been overpaid.

He said he knew how to type and I only paid him in beer.

JeeberD
12-20-2007, 05:53 AM
Thomas Howard TOTALLY got robbed...

RomaGoth
12-20-2007, 10:21 AM
The entire premise of the Pro Bowl in the NFL is hilarious. It is a meaningless game except for marketing and contract incentives for the players. Does anyone actually watch the game? Anyone at all?