"Deal With It"

[Chief Rum]

I guess that's SkyDog's response to subforums cluttering up the dynasty forum. When it's something he approves of, there you go. When it's Ww, nope, better get them their own forum.

So, Ben, your posts count in the One and Dones?

[SirFozzie]

Ahem. Ben, could you at least move the One and Dones Private forum OUT of the dynasty forum. There's no need for 15 private forums to take up the whole screen BEFORE we get to the things that we CAN see?

[JonInMiddleGA]

SD with vBulletin is rapidly become like Daivd Wniters try to code a football game.

[MJ4H]

what the hell is that one and done crap anyway?

[sabotai]

SD with vBulletin is rapidly become like Daivd Wniters try to code a football game.

Hah!

[Barkeep49]

what the hell is that one and done crap anyway?
It's a single player challenge that Quiksand suggested where people all take the same universe file compile the best possible team using the rookie class and compare results.

[Lathum]

Does this really surprise anyone?

[Cringer]

Deal with it? That little 11 year old beauty queen on Kid Nation that no one likes says that all the time.

[Barkeep49]

Deal with it? That little 11 year old beauty queen on Kid Nation that no one likes says that all the time.
That was my first response too. I was wondering why we were getting a new Kid Nation thread at this point in time :).

[MJ4H]

And this is worth raping the entire dynasty forum layout (and forum front page, incidentally) over? Weird.

[Joe]

can they not be hidden??

[Chief Rum]

It's a single player challenge that Quiksand suggested where people all take the same universe file compile the best possible team using the rookie class and compare results.

Hmm, actually, that's a neat idea.

Despite starting this thread, I don't really mind those threads. I just wanted to protest SkyDog's handling of a poster who objected to the forums in the dynasty forum, and the hypocrisy between how this was set up and how WW was dealt with.

[vex]

Ugh

[Galaxy]

Talk about making the forums look crappy lately with the changes.

[Calis]

So why do they each need their own forum? Private on top of that?

I don't particularly care either way, just curious as it does stick out pretty badly now.

It seems like a subforum could be made in dynasty forum with all that crap under it, or subforums to subforums if that's possible. I have no idea though.

[Coder]

Where's the regular Dynasty Forum? Can't find it.

[sabotai]

It seems like a subforum could be made in dynasty forum with all that crap under it, or subforums to subforums if that's possible. I have no idea though.

I think that's what he did, but for some reason you see the sub-forum and the sub-forum's sub-forums from the dynasty forum.

[molson]

I don't think it's a big deal at all, but it gets life of it's own when threads start getting locked (like what happened over in the dynasty forum).

[sabotai]

I don't think it's a big deal at all, but it gets life of it's own when threads start getting locked (like what happened over in the dynasty forum).

By itself, it's not a big deal, but it's another little annoyance in what has seemed like a series of added little annoyances to the forum.

[Alan T]

The only thing I don't understand is why I can't look at the subforums over there. It doesn't let me go into any of them?

[korme]

The only thing I don't understand is why I can't look at the subforums over there. It doesn't let me go into any of them?

You can't view any of the challenge participaters forums because it's to prevent everyone playing from looking at their competitors and thus gaining an advantage. Everyone's threads will be available to view on Jan. 15

[molson]

It looks like the same amount of dynasty threads are viewable (depending on your settings). And in the main forum index, the "last post" still shows the last real dynasty post (not the new challenge stuff). It would have been slightly annoying if that had not been the case, since it's nice to be bumped to "last post" status when you update your dynasty, but here, you just have to scroll down. It's really not a big deal.

I think we just like small government at FOFC. When we notice the government (the mod), it's automatically a bad thing, no matter how little it actually impacts us. How many people upset about this even use the dynasty forum?

[Chief Rum]

I think we just like small government at FOFC. When we notice the government (the mod), it's automatically a bad thing, no matter how little it actually impacts us. How many people upset about this even use the dynasty forum?

You're probably generally right, but at least with me specifically, I don't really mind the threads or "big government" at FOFC. I just don't like the arbitrary and selective abuse of power, and to an extent, the manner in which it is exerted in this particular case. I wouldn't have even started this thread if SD had been a little more diplomatic in his response to almighty in that forum.

[GoldenEagle]

What SD wants, SD gets. He is not even the reason most people found this place. He did not build the community himself. His philosophy is "deal with it" or go elsewhere. It does not matter how stupid something is that he does.

[Passacaglia]

You guys can delete my forum or whatever, if it's really clogging things up. All it has so far is my exploits in trying to extract the file properly. Thrilling.

[molson]

I wouldn't have even started this thread if SD had been a little more diplomatic in his response to almighty in that forum.

I definitely think he could improve in that area. I think he's been great for FOFC, but his tone on this stuff sometimes builds it up into a bigger deal than it is.

[Ragone]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/herman_edwards.jpg

get over it!

[MJ4H]

It looks like the same amount of dynasty threads are viewable (depending on your settings). And in the main forum index, the "last post" still shows the last real dynasty post (not the new challenge stuff). It would have been slightly annoying if that had not been the case, since it's nice to be bumped to "last post" status when you update your dynasty, but here, you just have to scroll down. It's really not a big deal.

I think we just like small government at FOFC. When we notice the government (the mod), it's automatically a bad thing, no matter how little it actually impacts us. How many people upset about this even use the dynasty forum?

Well I just started one today, and it is much harder for people to notice now.

[Joe]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/herman_edwards.jpg

get over it!

you play... to win... the game!

[molson]

Well I just started one today, and it is much harder for people to notice now.

And I just noticed that when the last post is a "private" post, it just says "private" in the index, not the latest dynasty thread. So think that will cut traffic somewhat, but still, I really could care less.

[DaddyTorgo]

You can't view any of the challenge participaters forums because it's to prevent everyone playing from looking at their competitors and thus gaining an advantage. Everyone's threads will be available to view on Jan. 15

so it's some sort of competition?? is there a prize??

if not what's the big deal?? people are going to cheat for what...bragging rights about a text-sim?? whoopdie-fucking-doo :rolleyes:

[MJ4H]

I really could care less.

Why don't you?

[molson]

Why don't you?

Anyone who actually visits the dynasty forum shouldn't be troubled by scrolling down one page.

The only practical impact is, like I said, that the "latest post" on the forum index. I have a handful of loyal readers of my dynasty and I feel like that's one the main ways they know the dynasty has been updated. But there ain't nothing I can do about that, and it doesn't effect my life in a negative way, so I'm not going to care.

[Coder]

I just realized the regular posts where just a scroll down away.. Still.. Something's wrong with this version of vBulletin if you can't have the subforums of the subforum hidden. I've seen plenty of vBulletin forums where this works just fine. There's no need to have every damn subforum visible like that.

On a final note.. it would have made a lot more sense to put the whole thing in it's own branch rather than putting it under the Dynasty-branch.

[st.cronin]

And in the main forum index, the "last post" still shows the last real dynasty post (not the new challenge stuff).

This is not true, at least for me.

[st.cronin]

On a final note.. it would have made a lot more sense to put the whole thing in it's own branch rather than putting it under the Dynasty-branch.

I'm agree. I'm actually amazed that a college-educated person thought to do it this way, instead of going with the obvious solution...

[Raiders Army]

This post counts.

[Cringer]

This seems like a really good time for me to complain about the useless PC/Console Game Forum for my 50th time. :D

[molson]

This seems like a really good time for me to complain about the useless PC/Console Game Forum for my 50th time. :D

That shit's still around? Wow.

The OT/FOF split was hugely controversial at first but proved to be a good idea. I think the overall setup of the board now makes a lot of sense.

[Buccaneer]

Why couldn't they be sub-forums of the FOF forum where stuff like that belongs?

[st.cronin]

When the Werewolf forum was created, Skydog claimed it took him some very short period of time, like a minute or something. I would urge him to do the same now, because it doesn't work as a sub-forum of the dynasty forum.

[Toddzilla]

I can understand having to live with a screwed-up front page or dynasty section because its either the best that can be done or the only way to accomodate the effort.

But leaving FOFC looking like shit because your either too lazy to get it right or to full of yourself to care is bush league, Daivd Winter style.

[Cringer]

Not to actually defend SkyDog or anything like that, ;) but Daivd comparisons seem a little bit of a stretch. Or apples and oranges, pears and tangerines, huckleberries and pineapples, you pick your different fruits....

[damnMikeBrown]

I spend most of my time reading the dynasty section.. deal with it doesn't seem at all appropriate. It looks terrible, it inhibits ease of use. It has nothing to do with anybody who actually uses the dynasty section. Great idea, but please hide/put it somewhere else.

[Ryan S]

The dynasty forum should look a little tidier now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The dynasty forum should look a little tidier now.

It's downright f'n amazing what can happen when someone who knows WTF they're doing spends a few minutes with something ;)

[stevew]

I don't know what's worse.....starting a "bash skydog thread" on christmas eve, or starting one on his birthday. ;) Festivus was the 23rd, at least then was the appropriate time to air grievances.

[stevew]

nice tidy job ryans, really cleaned up the place nicely.

[st.cronin]

The dynasty forum should look a little tidier now.

Nice work.

[miami_fan]

Damn I missed all the fun

[Subby]

so it's some sort of competition?? is there a prize??

if not what's the big deal?? people are going to cheat for what...bragging rights about a text-sim?? whoopdie-fucking-doo :rolleyes:
It's just more fun when we can make decisions independently of anyone else's results and/or data. I didn't think we needed private threads, but the whole "reveal" aspect actually gives this a pretty cool twist. Be interesting to see exactly what other guys did with the same player uiniverse and ground rules.

[dawgfan]

I finally checked out the original post in the Dynasty Forum that prompted this thread. I wish I could say I was surprised at SkyDog's asshatted response, but I'm not.

On the whole, I like Ben and think he does a pretty good job. But things like that point out how self-interested and short-sighted he is capable of being.

Thanks to Ryan S for fixing the issue and actually being receptive to suggestions from the community as opposed to being a stubborn you know what.

[DanGarion]

The thing is if they would set up the permissions CORRECTLY we shouldn't have to see these subforums that are private. I should know since I have a VB forum that I've run for years and no one can see my private sub forums.

[dawgfan]

Huh - looks like it changed back from the improvement Ryan S made. Nice and cluttered again...

[Cringer]

Huh - looks like it changed back from the improvement Ryan S made. Nice and cluttered again...

First thing I noticed when I came on. :rolleyes:

[Logan]

I'll laugh my ass off if SD changed it back just for the hell of it.

[dawgfan]

I'll laugh my ass off if SD changed it back just for the hell of it.
And this would be funny because...?

[Cringer]

I'll laugh my ass off if SD changed it back just for the hell of it.

In a way I am sure that is what he did.

[Logan]

And this would be funny because...?

Because it's just a message board and god forbid things don't display the way we want them to?

[Desnudo]

where's the beer tent?

[JonInMiddleGA]

where's the beer tent?

It's private, just deal with it.

[MrBug708]

Maybe it's time for a new moderator. Sometimes change is for the better...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Maybe it's time for a new moderator.

Past time for that AFAIC.

Power corrupts.
Absolute power ... well, we see the result.

[st.cronin]

I guess I can ignore the dynasty forum for a couple of weeks.

[dawgfan]

Because it's just a message board and god forbid things don't display the way we want them to?
If the display was changed back because the adjustment Ryan S made inhibits functionality, that's one thing; if it was changed back by SkyDog out of spite, that's another.

Obviously this isn't an earth-shattering issue, but wouldn't it be nice to know why the forum display has changed when it obviously annoys some of us? Especially when the reason for the original change is for a competition involving a tiny fraction of the users here? Would such a change have been made to the forum if SkyDog wasn't involved?

[Barkeep49]

Of course such a change wouldn't have been made if SkyDog wasn't involved. And frankly having the guy running the place be so committed to FOF, considering our title is FOFC isn't so bad. That said as someone who reads dynasties and posts one the layout is annoying as hell and I don't understand why a cleaner format couldn't be done or that those threads couldn't be in the FOF subforum until combined.

[JonInMiddleGA]

considering our title is FOFC i

Something that has needed to be corrected for a very long time.

[dawgfan]

Of course such a change wouldn't have been made if SkyDog wasn't involved. And frankly having the guy running the place be so committed to FOF, considering our title is FOFC isn't so bad. That said as someone who reads dynasties and posts one the layout is annoying as hell and I don't understand why a cleaner format couldn't be done or that those threads couldn't be in the FOF subforum until combined.
I think it's great that an FOF related challenge is being hosted here. But I'm not sure yet why said challenge needs to be visible to everyone and cluttering the format, especially when Ryan S seemed to fix the issue last night.

And I certainly don't understand why SkyDog needed to address the original post questioning the layout by locking the thread and saying "deal with it" rather than explain why it might be necessary to leave things as they are or conferring with other VBulliten experts to see if adjustments could be made.

It's the attitude that bugs me.

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's the attitude that bugs me.

Probably ought to be used to it by now, it's been a steadily developing trend for months.

[JeffNights]

Fuck SkyDog, there should have been a fresh top mod months ago.

[SirFozzie]

Of course such a change wouldn't have been made if SkyDog wasn't involved. And frankly having the guy running the place be so committed to FOF, considering our title is FOFC isn't so bad. That said as someone who reads dynasties and posts one the layout is annoying as hell and I don't understand why a cleaner format couldn't be done or that those threads couldn't be in the FOF subforum until combined.


If this place goes FOF only, see ya. I love the game, but I don't want to talk about it 24/7. I can't understand why SkyDog changed it back, and I consider it a VERY poor decision.

EDIT: Also, is there a personal reason, other than spite, that it can't be a FOF subforum?

[DaddyTorgo]

yayy! been a while since we've had some good old-fashioned drama!!

[st.cronin]

What percentage of users do people actually think own fof 2K7? I am sure its less than 50%.

[Joe]

What percentage of users do people actually think own fof 2K7? I am sure its less than 50%.

active members or all members?

[Subby]

Fuck SkyDog, there should have been a fresh top mod months ago.
He owns the site you fucking racist simpleton.

[DaddyTorgo]

He owns the site you fucking racist simpleton.
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Julio Riddols]

I haven't heard of anyone being called a simpleton in forever.. Thats awesome. :)

[Subby]

I'm sorry for using the f word.

[JonInMiddleGA]

He owns the site

Thanks for reminding everyone of the mistake that was made ages ago.

Then again, he isn't nearly the same person he was then, so it wasn't nearly as obvious as it has unfortunately become.

[Subby]

Thanks for reminding everyone of the mistake that was made ages ago.

Then again, he isn't nearly the same person he was then, so it wasn't nearly as obvious as it has unfortunately become.
What happened between you two? In conversations we have had about you he never has a bad word to say about you. Okay - aside from the insane nicotine addiction thing ;)

[korme]

I'd say 75% of active members own it

[JeffNights]

He owns the site you fucking racist simpleton.


Own this bitch! (grabs crotch)


And I am not racist simpleton.

[Radii]

I'm sorry for using the f word.

haha I <3 Subby

[korme]

I'd say I should refresh threads more :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

What happened between you two? In conversations we have had about you he never has a bad word to say about you.

Nothing particular beyond what has been seen here in the forum.

I've just become increasingly unimpressed by the absentee ownership, the clear disregard for anything other than his own whims, and just a general impression of arrogance by someone who is completely out of touch with the user base.

[Subby]

And I am not racist simpleton.
Awesome.

[korme]

Chris Shue is the smartest person I know on Facebook Traveler IQ

[CU Tiger]

Nott to jump head first into this, but Id say there is a huge difference between owning a site and owning a coomunity.

Would it change everyone's life greatly if everyone here had the same conversations at {bad-looking link removed}


I'm just saying, if so many are that unhappy (and I dont know if thats the case, just an impression I get, and a reasonable one at that) someone could change things...

[Lathum]

Ping Frankinoble

[Logan]

Can you hxxp that please?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Chris Shue is the smartest person I know on Facebook Traveler IQ
Not anymore. :)

[Anthony]

these are the things people think about on Christmas Eve and during the holidays?


*sigh*

[Celeval]

I've just become increasingly unimpressed by the absentee ownership, the clear disregard for anything other than his own whims, and just a general impression of arrogance by someone who is completely out of touch with the user base.

I think Jon's been watching a few too many campaign ads. :)

[Ben E Lou]

I'm not very good at being diplomatic. Never really have been. I tend to say what's on my mind, and my honest reaction was "Deal with it. It's just a little extra scrolling."

When I came back to the board yesterday morning, I just assumed that I'd accidentally saved something in one of the four or five Admin CP windows I had open to revert the view back. I haven't had time to read everything I would have wanted to read over Christmas, and didn't realize that Ryan had changed it. Given all that Ryan has done for FOFC over the years, I'd never want to usurp a decision of his, so I've changed it back. Plus, I realize that it probably looked like I changed it back as just a jerk move. Not true at all. I wouldn't do that to Ryan.

FYI, I will change it to the way I like it from the time I wake up until around 9am until such time as I finish the challenge, so be prepared for some extra scrolling. ;)

[DanGarion]

I'm not very good at being diplomatic. Never really have been. I tend to say what's on my mind, and my honest reaction was "Deal with it. It's just a little extra scrolling."

When I came back to the board yesterday morning, I just assumed that I'd accidentally saved something in one of the four or five Admin CP windows I had open to revert the view back. I haven't had time to read everything I would have wanted to read over Christmas, and didn't realize that Ryan had changed it. Given all that Ryan has done for FOFC over the years, I'd never want to usurp a decision of his, so I've changed it back. Plus, I realize that it probably looked like I changed it back as just a jerk move. Not true at all. I wouldn't do that to Ryan.

FYI, I will change it to the way I like it from the time I wake up until around 9am until such time as I finish the challenge, so be prepared for some extra scrolling. ;)

But if permissions are set up correctly no one should see those forums that are private. That's the main problem I'm seeing here.

[sachmo71]

Is "fresh" now a racist term?

"Hey, these cookies are really fresh!"
"Fuck you, racist asshole!"

[Ben E Lou]

But if permissions are set up correctly no one should see those forums that are private. That's the main problem I'm seeing here.That depends on what you're trying to do. I wanted it set up so that everyone could see who was participating and posting.

[Ben E Lou]

Can you hxxp that please?Fixed.

[Anthony]

damn you, man, you dropped the ball. instead of "deal with it" you coulda said....


COWBOY UP.


you friggin amateur. you're losing your evil mod villain touch in your old age. make me a mod for a day, go on a crawfish fishing expedition or whatever you people do in the low country.


in all seriousness this is obviously a temporaray thing. of all the things to be concerned about i fail to see how this is in the top 10 of anyone's list as we approach the new year. what a shame. SD doesn't need my vote of approval, i'm just saddened by this is the stuff people are bothered over this time of year. must be great that everything else in the world is going great that this justifies the drama. if your mouse doesn't have a scroll wheel you should be more concerned with that then the subforums.

[Pumpy Tudors]

That depends on what you're trying to do. I wanted it set up so that everyone could see who was participating and posting.
Could this goal be accomplished by just having a single public thread? It'd kinda be like a "check-in" thread or something? Every couple of days or so, the participants could update their progress just by saying that they're up to their third year or something.

Just an idea.

[Ben E Lou]

Pumpy, that would require people participating to post in their thread, and then post again. It's easier to get the quick overview this way.

[wade moore]

these are the things people think about on Christmas Eve and during the holidays?


*sigh*

HA hit this dead on.

And for some people - if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

[Dr. Sak]

damn you, man, you dropped the ball. instead of "deal with it" you coulda said....


COWBOY UP.


I've been waiting for two days for you to say this! I was about to post that, but it wouldn't have beens as good!

[Logan]

Fixed.

I was actually kidding, but thanks for looking out for those who might have more sensitive monitoring software working against them. Didn't mean to get CU in trouble.

[Toddzilla]

Assuming, of course, that more than 5% of the users give a flying shit who is participating in whatever-it-is-they're-doing. For all the grief the WW threads and participants took, this issue is 100x more annoying to 5x as many people with less than 1% of the participation. My head hurts, so guess what?

[Honolulu_Blue]

HA hit this dead on.

And for some people - if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

+2

[Toddzilla]

Nott to jump head first into this, but Id say there is a huge difference between owning a site and owning a coomunity.

Would it change everyone's life greatly if everyone here had the same conversations at {bad-looking link removedDude, the Drunk Guy thread is over there....

[JonInMiddleGA]

if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

1) If you think this is entirely about the formatting of the Dynasty forum, then you aren't paying attention.

2) Worrying with this beats the living hell out of knowing my grandmother is dying a particularly unpleasant death and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. Or worrying about a trio of weirded out clients. Or worrying about any of the countless other things that dominate the collective minds of the posters here for most of their waking hours. Instead, we rail a bit (and pretty mildly at that) about something else for a change.

And if you can't figure out how that works then it's you that I'd feel sorry for if I had more time.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Come on, I don't think that people are letting this board formatting issue ruin their lives or anything. It's just a concern about the board, and people are expressing it. Whether it's Christmas Eve or Columbus Day or Canadian Thanksgiving or whatever, is there anything so wrong with voicing a concern about the board on the board?

Now, if somebody was really sitting around earlier this week unable to eat their dinner because of this, they might want to step back and think about what's really important. Otherwise, just because there are more pressing issues in their lives and in the world, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should just ignore this one thing that bothers them.

[Alan T]

I'd be happy to accept any forum formatting there is if in turn someone could get my mother in law to leave at some point before the second week of next month...

[AZSpeechCoach]

Come on, I don't think that people are letting this board formatting issue ruin their lives or anything. It's just a concern about the board, and people are expressing it. Whether it's Christmas Eve or Columbus Day or Canadian Thanksgiving or whatever, is there anything so wrong with voicing a concern about the board on the board?

Now, if somebody was really sitting around earlier this week unable to eat their dinner because of this, they might want to step back and think about what's really important. Otherwise, just because there are more pressing issues in their lives and in the world, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should just ignore this one thing that bothers them.

C'mon Pumpy. Canadians don't celebrate Thanksgiving. What are they thankful for? Moose?








Ducks :D

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'd be happy to accept any forum formatting there is if in turn someone could get my mother in law to leave at some point before the second week of next month...
Is she hot?

[Noop]

Considering the starter I am not surprised, he is a drama queen.

[Lathum]

That depends on what you're trying to do. I wanted it set up so that everyone could see who was participating and posting.

I really don't have a horse in this race either way but this made me say WTF?

Does ayone really care about who is participating ad posting except for the people playing in the challange?

[Anthony]

Come on, I don't think that people are letting this board formatting issue ruin their lives or anything. It's just a concern about the board, and people are expressing it. Whether it's Christmas Eve or Columbus Day or Canadian Thanksgiving or whatever, is there anything so wrong with voicing a concern about the board on the board?

Now, if somebody was really sitting around earlier this week unable to eat their dinner because of this, they might want to step back and think about what's really important. Otherwise, just because there are more pressing issues in their lives and in the world, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should just ignore this one thing that bothers them.

but seriously, in the grand scheme of things what does it matter? not to discredit the opinions of others or their feelings - everyone has a right to feel the way they do - some things are more important than others. and it's not a situation where you can say "who are you to dictate what is more important". this clearly is of such little importance. this is the internet, we all get to be anonymous and say things we normally wouldn't say in real life (except for Jon, who clearly is seriously not well-adjusted. i like him, but he isn't someone i would feel comfortable being stuck in a car during a snow storm with.). sure, we get to cry out against "the Man" when we feel we've been wronged. but this isn't a case where a crazy guy with mod powers just randomly banned people for no reason. its his board, he can make the formatting decisions he wants. he has to weigh whether it's worth it to cave in to a vocal minority or to just do it the way he likes.

it's a shame. i wish people would take their unused energy and just apply it to the "How many 5 yead olds can you take?" thread.

[larrymcg421]

Certainly not defending the tone of the response, but the complaint itself was poorly worded and made the response inevitable. Sometimes you have to know who you're dealing with. Posting a thread in the dynasty forum titled "Annoying as Hell" was not the best way to go about it.

[molson]

but seriously, in the grand scheme of things what does it matter?

You could say that about everything but life and death (and even that's debatable, I guess).

Text sims, message boards, the internet, none of it really matters, and obviously there's more important things to spend our energy on. But you come across little things in life that might matter when you come across them. It's always annoying to me when people say, "Isn't there something more important Congress can be doing", or "isn't there a more important study then effect of chocolate on sleep patterns". Sure there is, but do you want to spend your entire life thinking ONLY about the most important things? You'd go insane.

What were we talking about again?

[Anthony]

i think the best way to do it is the following:

if you had to pay for every post you made, would you pay money to complain about how the dynasty forum is formatted? if everyone operated under the same "is this post worth paying x amount of money for?" mindset, you'd see a lot of complaints diminish. if you had to pay $0.50 per post, you would accept how it's done and not even think about it.

jeeberd would also be a poor man, if we did it that way.

[Barkeep49]

I appreciate the fact that the formatting is back to the Ryan S style.

[korme]

If I had to pay for every post, I'd have 0 career posts at fofc HA.

Dumb fucking analogy

[DanGarion]

That depends on what you're trying to do. I wanted it set up so that everyone could see who was participating and posting.
Ah that makes sense for the sub forums, but how about all the private forums like the moderator ones, seems like you should be able to make those non visible, if not us but just for you so people don't know that the mods are talking (by the addition of post counts...?)

[Toddzilla]

This thread needs more jb

[Anthony]

If I had to pay for every post, I'd have 0 career posts at fofc HA.

Dumb fucking analogy

then you'd have nothing important to say. point is, are you just mastur-posting, or do you actually have something worthwhile to say? point is, if you had to pay for making the posts i'm sure you'd let it slide if you didn't like the formatting of the forum, rather than paying money out of your pocket to do so.

a lot of complaints you see on the internet is for two reasons:

1. we get to be relative strangers and keep our real identities hidden
2. it doesn't cost anything to share our opinions.

those are the exact 2 reasons trolling exists, and why flame wars happen. as far as eye-candy goes, yeah, the formatting wasn't the best. but since it's not even on my list of things i remotely care about or impact my life i let it slide. it's not my board and i rather save my opinions for a topic that actually matters.

this is the internet: we post because we can. sometimes that's not a good enough reason, though.

[korme]

Where exactly in my life does it ever cost anything to share my opinion?

[Barkeep49]

HA: I think in a community, which we qualify, there is a social cost for some people in how they post. Others, not so much, but I think that you can't discount the social cost entirely here.

[Kodos]

Where exactly in my life does it ever cost anything to share my opinion?


That just cost you 50 cents.

[dawgfan]

HA hit this dead on.

And for some people - if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.
FWIW (and as I've said before) the way this forum is formatted means little in the grand scheme of things in my life. That's not really the issue here. The issue was the manner in which Ben decided to respond to the initial criticism of how he'd reformatted the Dynasty section - locking the thread immediately and saying "deal with it".

The attitude that reply carried makes it easy for someone to wonder about how he moderates the board and his priorities in that role - is this ultimately just a toy for whatever he wants to do, or do the wishes of those of us in this community carry some weight as well? And what exactly is the current balance between those two extremes, and what is the ideal balance?

Since he's issued what will be as close to an apology as he's likely to give about the situation and the formatting has been fixed (again) and the revert from Ryan S's adjustment explained, I'll gladly move along and not spend any more time in this thread.

But I wanted to make it clear that for me, and likely for many others, their issue wasn't really the formatting change so much as it was the way in which a criticism of that change was handled.

[Subby]

Assuming, of course, that more than 5% of the users give a flying shit who is participating in whatever-it-is-they're-doing. For all the grief the WW threads and participants took, this issue is 100x more annoying to 5x as many people with less than 1% of the participation. My head hurts, so guess what?
You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

[Maple Leafs]

So am I the only one who just comes directly to the General Discussion forum every time I visit the site?

[Eaglesfan27]

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

Can he keep the page in his history and go back if he doesn't like how the results of his choice come out?

[Kodos]

So am I the only one who just comes directly to the General Discussion forum every time I visit the site?


There is no General Discussion from at FOFC.

[WSUCougar]

Wow, what high Christmasy drama! All we need is Jacob Marley's ghost and a few puddin'-eatin' Cratchetts and we'd have a ballgame.

[Mustang]

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

I read alot of choose your own adventure books when I was a kid and I don't remember any paths that led to a succulent rubdown. I do seem to remember "Encyclopedia Brown and the Happy Ending" though...

[Izulde]

There is no General Discussion from at FOFC.

But there is Corporal Punishment with Boxing and the Bananation Stick.

[Chief Rum]

Considering the starter I am not surprised, he is a drama queen.

Better a drama queen than a bigot.

[Schmidty]

So am I the only one who just comes directly to the General Discussion forum every time I visit the site?

No.

I could not care less about dynasty stuff, etc. Somtimes I'll go to the ww forum, but that's only when I occasionally play.

[SnDvls]

I really don't have a horse in this race either way but this made me say WTF?

Does ayone really care about who is participating ad posting except for the people playing in the challange?

My thoughts too

[sachmo71]

Wow, what high Christmasy drama! All we need is Jacob Marley's ghost and a few puddin'-eatin' Cratchetts and we'd have a ballgame.

I know where to find a good recipe for Figgy (Christmas) Pudding.

[cuervo72]

Nothing particular beyond what has been seen here in the forum.

I've just become increasingly unimpressed by the absentee ownership, the clear disregard for anything other than his own whims, and just a general impression of arrogance by someone who is completely out of touch with the user base.

What exactly is it the user base is clamoring for though? I wasn't aware there was any particular goal for the board - it's just here, and has a passing relation to FOF.

[cuervo72]

Chris Shue is the smartest person I know on Facebook Traveler IQ

$5 says that was his wife's score.

[cuervo72]

Is "fresh" now a racist term?

"Hey, these cookies are really fresh!"
"Fuck you, racist asshole!"

Someone had better tell Kool (and the Gang).

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[Subby]

$5 says that was his wife's score.
Winnah!

[Mustang]

What exactly is it the user base is clamoring for though?

World Domination and a new technique to masturbate.

Not necessarily in that order.

[MJ4H]

this thread makes me feel like less of a grandstanding drama queen. i know it doesnt make me less of one, but i do feel like less of one.

also this thread rules

[MIJB#19]

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/styles/yellow/logo.gif. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

[korme]

Glad to have you back MIJB! Brian Sipe missed you!

[DaddyTorgo]

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/styles/yellow/logo.gif. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

lay off the hatorade :D

[vex]

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/styles/yellow/logo.gif. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

No, see, what it looks like now is actually the fixed version. It was much worse.

[RedKingGold]

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/styles/yellow/logo.gif. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

If you weren't in another country right now, I'd probably hug you.

[Toddzilla]

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

If you weren't in another country right now, I'd probably hug you.

Wow - this is turning into the Gayest. Thread. Ever.

[Celeval]

Wow - this is turning into the Gayest. Thread. Ever.

Deal with it.

[Logan]

SD really missed the boat by not ending that statement with "Welcome to Hollywood."

[JonInMiddleGA]

notice the big fat
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/styles/yellow/logo.gif

You mean the meaningless crap that needs to be removed?
The game is irrelevant, and has been for quite a while.

To coin a phrase: Deal with it.

[SirFozzie]

You mean the meaningless crap that needs to be removed?
The game is irrelevant, and has been for quite a while.

To coin a phrase: Deal with it.

And for only the fifth time in approximately 75 discussions that Jon and I have posted in, I have to say, TRUE DAT

[st.cronin]

I agree with the Foz and Jimga.

[vex]

I agree with the Foz, Jimga and st.cronin.

[sabotai]

You could always just go to sportdigs.

[Raiders Army]

we need a poll asking with whom we agree

[BYU 14]

Can Ardent come out of retirement to weigh in on this?

[RedKingGold]

You mean the meaningless crap that needs to be removed?
The game is irrelevant, and has been for quite a while.

To coin a phrase: Deal with it.

When has anything you've said ever been remotely relevant?

[Subby]

You mean the meaningless crap that needs to be removed?
The game is irrelevant, and has been for quite a while.
Plenty of people still play FOF, still enjoy playing FOF, and come here for information about it.

Maybe it is meaningless to you and others, but the site and its theme continues to serve its original purpose and does it well. It has done a good job over the years catering to ancillary interests like WW and Hattrick and other sports-based text sims.

Not sure why it can't or shouldn't to do what it has done so well in the past.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Maybe it is meaningless to you and most others

Fixed that for you, and restores the point.

[SirFozzie]

When has anything you've said ever been remotely relevant?

More then some folks I could mention. (No, not you RKG)

[Subby]

Fixed that for you, and restores the point.
Fair enough. I know it won't change and that's all that really matters.