NFL Week 17

[miami_fan]

For those that were concerned

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3169075

NEW YORK -- The New England Patriots' shot at history Saturday night will be available for every household in the country with a television after months of wrangling.

The game against the New York Giants, in which the Patriots could become the first NFL team to go 16-0 in the regular season, was originally scheduled to be shown only on the NFL Network, which is available in fewer than 40 percent of the nation's homes with TVs.

But the league announced Wednesday that the NFL Network feed will be simulcast on NBC and CBS. It's a major concession by league officials, who repeatedly said they would not show the game anywhere but the NFL Network. The NFL had faced mounting pressure from politicians in recent weeks to make the game available to more viewers.

This will be the first three-network simulcast in NFL history and the first simulcast of any kind of an NFL game since the first Super Bowl in 1967, when CBS and NBC both televised the first meeting of the champions of the newly merged National Football League and American Football League.

"We have taken this extraordinary step because it is in the best interest of our fans," commissioner Roger Goodell said. "What we have seen for the past year is a very strong consumer demand for NFL Network. We appreciate CBS and NBC delivering the NFL Network telecast on Saturday night to the broad audience that deserves to see this potentially historic game. Our commitment to the NFL Network is stronger than ever."

[mattlanta]

There's no way the Patriots will lose if the Giants will bench their starters, and from here, it looks as if they will bench their starters. They have nothing to lose while New England, on the other hand, has their run for perfection up in grasps. I'm thinking Belicheck will just keep Brady and his starters in there until half time or whenever he thinks the game is done for.

[miami_fan]

Oh yeah with the simulcast, everyone will get to hear the brilliance that is Bryant Gumbel

[SirFozzie]

Miami beat me to it.

[SirFozzie]

Love these translations by someone even more cynical then I am:

"We have taken this extraordinary step because it is in the best interest of our fans." <--translation "Fuck, we're gonna lose the anti-trust exemption."

"Our commitment to the NFL Network is stronger than ever." <---translation "We only caved here because it was a game Congress cared about. Resistance is futile. Pay up."

Anyone want to guess who this FOFC Cynical bastard is? :)

[Draft Dodger]

Oh yeah with the simulcast, everyone will get to hear the brilliance that is Bryant Gumbel

yeah, good news bad new for me. On one hand, I get a break from the idiotic ramblings of Phil Simms. On the other hand, it means I have to listen to Gumbel. When you combine Gumbel's repetitiveness with the fact that he's extremely slow to react to the play, it almost sounds like you are listening to a broadcast from a video game.

And it's....[player name]...over the middle...a gain of...[yardage]...on the play...that will bring up...[down]...down for the...[team].

[wade moore]

yeah, good news bad new for me. On one hand, I get a break from the idiotic ramblings of Phil Simms. On the other hand, it means I have to listen to Gumbel. When you combine Gumbel's repetitiveness with the fact that he's extremely slow to react to the play, it almost sounds like you are listening to a broadcast from a video game.

And it's....[wrong player name]...over the middle...a gain of...[ too few yardage]...on the play...that will bring up...[wrong down down]...down for the...[opposing team].

Fixed.

[henry296]

My favorite Gumbelism, is the play that gains 5 more yards than is needed for the first down and he says, so and so apears to have enough for the first down.

[Raiders Army]

I was hoping that CBS and NBC would use their own crews for the broadcast. Alas.

[Greyroofoo]

John Kerry accomplished something! (http://kerry.senate.gov/cfm/record.cfm?id=288493)

[Logan]

If Al Gore can hang his hat on inventing the Internet, John Kerry can take credit for this.

[stevew]

I wonder if they are at going to give CBS and NBC the HD feed, however.

[Mustang]

Yippee... the entire nation can now see the Patriots go 16-0 against the Giants 2nd string.

[rkmsuf]

Ironically, Plaxico Buress practiced yesterday for only like the 3rd time this season.

Must be some kind of do the opposite strategy.

[thetrilogy]

Yippee... the entire nation can now see the Patriots go 16-0 against the Giants 2nd string.

There isn't an instrument yet to be made that would measure my total agreement with this comment.

The Patriots will play all of their starters to the death- to keep from losing a half-assed played game that only the Patriots care about.

[Synovia]

The Patriots will play all of their starters to the death- to keep from losing a half-assed played game that only the Patriots care about.


The patriots will do exactly what they did against the other 10 teams or so they played that they were vastly better than: Go up 30 points and then pull the starters at the end of the 3rd quarter.


The only think I think the Giants sitting starters will do is change when the Patriots pull their starters from 10 minutes left in the game to 15 minutes left.

[Raiders Army]

Honest to god, I think I enjoy the radio announcer on Madden NFL better than Gumbel.

Thanks to him, I did not know that someone was chasing a reception record this year.

[Raiders Army]

Ah he just got it right with the guy in his ear giving him the words.

[st.cronin]

I think Randy Moss has the face of a guy with a tortured soul.

[Raiders Army]

Plax with a good reception.

[Raiders Army]

I think Randy Moss has the face of a guy with a tortured soul.

o'course. He's not a Raider any more.

[Raiders Army]

"If the call is upheld, we'll come back." LOL. So if it's overturned, we won't have to hear you?

[jeff061]

After apparently 4 minutes, the Giants score a TD.

[Celeval]

Giants came to play. Brandon Jacobs is running hard despite no holes, and that was a very nice touchdown.

[Raiders Army]

Damn, he threaded a needle there to Welker.

[Rizon]

Wow, you guys were right about Gumbel.

[st.cronin]

That NFL network commercial, the one bashing cable companies, makes me want to turn this game off. Fuck the NFL network.

[sabotai]

Wow, you guys were right about Gumbel.

No kidding. I'd rather listen to Madden go on and on about nothing than listen to Gumbel.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I hate the NFL for the games they pull with their network, but that's free market. They have a right to withhold their product unless certain demands are met, that's the way it goes. I think the government went over the line in its response this week. Now I don;t like the NFL network or the cable companies and their cronies in Washington.

-Abe

EDIT: It was not mean that way, but the first line is a double entendre and I mean it in both ways.

[Rizon]

Haha, looks like it's Midnight for NE.

[Atocep]

Yeah, I hate the NFL for the games they pull with their network, but that's free market. They have a right to withhold their product unless certain demands are met, that's the way it goes. I think the government went over the line in its response this week. Now I don;t like the NFL network or the cable companies and their cronies in Washington.

-Abe

EDIT: It was not mean that way, but the first line is a double entendre and I mean it in both ways.


The NFL's fault here is that they have an anti-trust exemption so that they can negotiate a national TV contract because it fits the best interest in the public. Putting games on their own channel and trying to leverage it as a way to make money goes against the reason they were given the exemption and it should be taken away from them for using the NFL network the way they are.

Cable companies are just as at fault, but this this isn't simply a matter of free market.

[st.cronin]

Isn't industry standard having a down/distance graphic?

[SirFozzie]

Double Tied Record :)

[SirFozzie]

and before any of the "He pushed off for it" comes out, watch that last replay.. both of them were handfighting/pushing

[stevew]

That NFL network commercial, the one bashing cable companies, makes me want to turn this game off. Fuck the NFL network.
I thought it was funny. Then again, I have the NFL Network. I'm more pissed that our youngstown affiliate that I have to get w/ my satellite package is a Browns network.

[Celeval]

They have a right to withhold their product unless certain demands are met, that's the way it goes. I think the government went over the line in its response this week.

I don't necessarily know that it was over the line - the antitrust exemption that the NFL was specifically written to allow the NFL to negotiate their tv deals as a league rather than as individual teams (which had been ruled to violate antitrust). If the argument is that they're taking advantage of it now, then I think it's pretty reasonable that that is what is under discussion.

[st.cronin]

I don't care about the NFL network until they start propagandizing about how the cable companies are blah blah blah. Don't insult my intelligence.

[Crapshoot]

Well, this could be a fun game.

[Glengoyne]

Isn't industry standard having a down/distance graphic?

I assumed that anyone who would make Gumbel and Collinsworth a broadcast team had something other than standards on their mind.

[Celeval]

Darn good game so far. I particularly like the ref explaining the flag to Moss with his own dance.

[SirFozzie]

well, the Giants came back big. Lets see what happens here.

[Booj]

Am I the only one that feels bad for Cris Collinsworth having to waste away next to the worst play by play man in the NFL?

[SirFozzie]

I like the Pats offense so far. Even if the Giants continue to score, at this rate we'll out shoot em

[Atocep]

Am I the only one that feels bad for Cris Collinsworth having to waste away next to the worst play by play man in the NFL?

Collinsworth probably loves it. Being paired next to Gumble lets him talk more and he actually sounds like he knows football.

[Glengoyne]

Am I the only one that feels bad for Cris Collinsworth having to waste away next to the worst play by play man in the NFL?


I can't believe Gumble just played the "I said hand, but I meant head" card. Even when Pat Summerall was so blind that he couldn't distinguish which team a player was on, he knew to just let those mis-statements lie as if they'd never been said.

[Eaglesfan27]

Well, this could be a fun game.

It's been a very good game so far - much more competitive than I expected.

[Jas_lov]

Touchdown Giants!!! This is turning out to be a fantastic game!

[Celeval]

Boss is looking very good.

Cassel warming up?!

[stevew]

Killdrive is calling a pretty good game for the Giants. I'm pretty shocked about it, actually.

And for the love of god, can Plex catch a jumpball vs a 5'10" patriots CB one time? Just for me? Just for old times sake?

[stevew]

That Boss guy has looked pretty good the last couple weeks. I dunno why he was like a 5th rounder, must have hands of stone or something. He at least looks like what I'd want an NFL TE to look like.

[sabotai]

Pretty good football game going on during this NFL Network infomercial.

[Raiders Army]

Killdrive is calling a pretty good game for the Giants. I'm pretty shocked about it, actually.

And for the love of god, can Plex catch a jumpball vs a 5'10" patriots CB one time? Just for me? Just for old times sake?

'twasn't a jump ball, unless you count it when it's thrown at the receiver's belt.

[Atocep]

Pretty good football game going on during this NFL Network infomercial.

:D

[astrosfan64]

Great Game so far.

The Pats lineman should of been ejected for the eye poke.

[Celeval]

That Boss guy has looked pretty good the last couple weeks. I dunno why he was like a 5th rounder, must have hands of stone or something. He at least looks like what I'd want an NFL TE to look like.

He was from a small school (Western Oregon?), and was hurt for the majority of his senior season.

[Raiders Army]

What the hell is "Des-ja view"? Isn't it "day-zha vu"?

[stevew]

I love how they keep highlighting guys for good blocking, when it's damn close to the textbook definition of holding/hooking on the replay.

[Cringer]

The "Prince Charles" line is getting over-used. Both the T.V. guys and the radio guys have brought it up, more then once.

Jacobs is the man on this drive. Dang.

[Cringer]

I love how they keep highlighting guys for good blocking, when it's damn close to the textbook definition of holding/hooking on the replay.

If you ain't holdin', you ain't tryin'.

[Jas_lov]

Touchdown Giants!!!! Eli is actually having a good game!

[Rizon]

My wife just asked if we had an earthquake. I said it was just the world celebrating.

[Cringer]

Eli is getting banged by 10 chicks at once tonight.

[Abe Sargent]

Giants are up by 12. Anybody really think the Patriots are going to lose, though?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Woot

[stevew]

Nice "catch" although I still fucking hate you plex.

[Cringer]

My wife just asked if we had an earthquake. I said it was just the world celebrating.

I kind of want the Pats to win. Not sure why I care much, but if they win the Superbowl it might as well be in spectacular fashion. If they are going to lose in the playoffs, it makes it pretty damn funny. Either way it is kind of cool to see.

[sabotai]

Giants are up by 12. Anybody really think the Patriots are going to lose, though?

As a Giants fan, I can say that I've seen this movie more times than I care to remember. A few times, it has been a surprise ending, but most times, it isn't.

[Young Drachma]

Pretty good football game going on during this NFL Network infomercial.

+1

[Jas_lov]

Touchdown Patriots! Hold the champagne in Miami. It's not over yet!

[airulf]

Did Wes Welker just block Umenyiora into the ground in that TD run???

[Abe Sargent]

I'm totally rooting for the Giants, which are my fav NFC team, but still, no way they are winning if they are up by 22, not 12, and look, the pats score again!

[Cringer]

Touchdown Giants!!!! Eli is actually having a good game!

Touchdown Patriots! Hold the champagne in Miami. It's not over yet!

You like touchdowns huh? :p

[airulf]

Ahhh ok, it was #37 James Butler

[stevew]

Eli is hard to watch.

[Jas_lov]

You like touchdowns huh? :p

YES! They're what the game is all about! The Patriots need one more to get the lead and you can bet that I will be here to announce it when they get it. One quarter to a perfect season.

[Suburban Rhythm]

And for the love of god, can Plex catch a jumpball vs a 5'10" patriots CB one time? Just for me? Just for old times sake?


:eek: :eek: :eek:

I thought you'd seen enough of him in black and gold to not ask that?

[Alan T]

YES! They're what the game is all about! The Patriots need one more to get the lead and you can bet that I will be here to announce it when they get it. One quarter to a perfect season.


I didn't know that tonight was the superbowl :) Going 16-0 doesn't mean anything if you don't win the superbowl too.

[Abe Sargent]

It begins

[Cringer]

I didn't know that tonight was the superbowl :) Going 16-0 doesn't mean anything if you don't win the superbowl too.

If my team isn't going to win the Superbowl, going 16-0 is the best way to do it. No one has done it before, it will go down in history either way.

[Jas_lov]

MOSS DROPPED THE TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!

[SirFozzie]

OMG!

[Jas_lov]

MOSS CAUGHT THE TOUCHDOWN!!!!!

[CU Tiger]

2 plays in a row????

[Young Drachma]

Nice play on the redo.

[Abe Sargent]

It begins

It continues


EDIT: This was my 4500th post

[Crapshoot]

Seriously - that's amazing. I have to admire the sheer "Fuck You" of that play.

[SirFozzie]

NEW HEROES! DOUBLE RECORD!

[DaddyTorgo]

TD! RECORD...RECORD

[st.cronin]

Dramatic.

[airulf]

Two records on the same play, who get to keep the ball?

[Jas_lov]

2 pointer is good. 11:06 to a perfect season.

[Cringer]

Wow. Nice way to make up for the dropped pass the play before.

I figured it was coming when I saw Jas' post, since I am watching about a minute or more delayed then guys watching on TV.

[sabotai]

James Butler, this is me being very unsurprised.

[DaddyTorgo]

Two records on the same play, who get to keep the ball?

i'd die laughing if they cut the ball in half. LOL:D

[st.cronin]

Tom Brady's new nickname: Fiddy.

[Cringer]

Two records on the same play, who get to keep the ball?

Cut it in half.

That is cool, two on one play.

[mckerney]

Woohoo Lo-Money!

[SirFozzie]

Wow, really late flag.

And that was on the Giants, wow!

[sabotai]

So "late hit" now covers when a Patriots player trips over himself. Got it.

[jeff061]

I still have an eye on Toomer!!!

[Cringer]

I still have an eye on Toomer!!!

lol. Keep it there.

[CU Tiger]

ball game

[Cringer]

Manning just went from 10 chicks tonight to 0.

edit: Well, maybe a fat one.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I swear I am seeing things...I thought for sure the 3rd guy I saw down there celebrating with Moss was #75--which would be Wilfork, right?

[astrosfan64]

The NFL loves the PATS.

1st half, big play. Moss tackles a DB and then leg whips him, and no penality.

Bleh, never mind.

[airulf]

First pick of the season for Hobbs. Nice timing :)

[Galaril]

So "late hit" now covers when a Patriots player trips over himself. Got it.

Yeah that was a huge fuck up by the refs. The play calling has been pretty good overall. I think the only other call tha was off was the third down interfernce call that went against the Giants early in the game that kept the Pats first TD scoring drive alive.

[sabotai]

I was going to say "Where has this Giants team been all year?" But, it's really them.

[Crapshoot]

The NFL loves the PATS.

1st half, big play. Moss tackles a DB and then leg whips him, and no penality.

Bleh, never mind.

Yeah, you sound pretty pathetic right now.

[Galaril]

The NFL loves the PATS.

1st half, big play. Moss tackles a DB and then leg whips him, and no penality.

Bleh, never mind.

Yes, that was an obvious call.

[Cringer]

Ok, I gotta say it.

Best "meaningless" week 17 game ever. Both teams are fighting to the end.

[Abe Sargent]

yeah, forget the call against Moss for celebration of a highly dubious nature that caused teh patriots to kickoff 15 yeas back and the Giants returned it for a score. BOTH teams got screwed tonight. Happens.

[DaddyTorgo]

1st down PATS

[Jas_lov]

The Giants are unraveling. 5:50 to a perfect season.

[airulf]

Ok, I gotta say it.

Best "meaningless" week 17 game ever. Both teams are fighting to the end.

Yeah, absolutely great game. I love that they keep the starters in the game and playing to win.

[sabotai]

The Giants have given up WAY too many 3rd and longs in this game.

[DaddyTorgo]

TD PATS

[CU Tiger]

And the fat lady is echoing through the canyons

[st.cronin]

Manning just went from 10 chicks tonight to 0.

edit: Well, maybe a fat one.

LOL

[Jas_lov]

Touchdown Patriots!!!! This game is over. Good effort by the Giants, but they still suck.

[SirFozzie]

TD, Boney Maroney!

[DaddyTorgo]

The Giants are unraveling. 5:50 to a perfect season.

you need to stop with the countdown. It's bad luck

[DaddyTorgo]

game is NOT over yet. close...but not over

a stop here would end it though

[Cringer]

Yeah, absolutely great game. I love that they keep the starters in the game and playing to win.

Exactly. It's great.

And the Giants lost Madison to an injury which could effect them next week in the playoffs if it's bad enough.

[Raiders Army]

I swear that I want to hear the radio announcer from Madden more than these guys.

[Cringer]

And the fat lady is echoing through the canyons

Is she yodeling Eli's name and talking about what she will be doing to his body tonight?

[korme]

Leave it to Welker to have a monster game and thus probably take away the chance TJ would lead the league in receptions.

Hey, why else would I care about football tomorrow? :(

[Raiders Army]

Amani's son's name is Awanna.

[Jas_lov]

2:00 away from a perfect regular season. Sweet child o' mine.

[DaddyTorgo]

2:00 away from a perfect regular season. Sweet child o' mine.

again with the countdown. Didn't I say stop?

[sabotai]

I don't know why they are making such a big deal about the Giants using time. They're close enough that they will be scoring (or otherwise ending the drive) within a short period of time and then they will onside kick it. The clock is irrelevant right now.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I don't know why they are making such a big deal about the Giants using time. They're close enough that they will be scoring (or otherwise ending the drive) within a short period of time and then they will onside kick it. The clock is irrelevant right now.

Consider who you are listening to. In the copy of 'Play-by-play for Dummies' Gumbal is thumbing through in the booth, it must have an entry about bringing up the clock after every play once inside 5 minutes to play.

[sabotai]

It's actually pretty funny listening to the commentators who obviously can see more than one video feed. We watch players standing around, we get to hear Collingsworth change his mind in midsentance as he is watching another screen.

[Celeval]

Completely outside of the discussion for this season, but Giants fans have to be happy with Steve Smith's play late today. He'll be pretty good next year.

[Jas_lov]

Touchdown Giants!!!! 1:04 to a perfect season.

[DaddyTorgo]

2:00 away from a perfect regular season. Sweet child o' mine.

I swear I hate you. Shut your mouth

[Abe Sargent]

Plexico Burress is NOT "One of the greatest receivers of teh game" Cris Collinsowrht

[DaddyTorgo]

Touchdown Giants!!!! 1:04 to a perfect season.

STFU

[sabotai]

Completely outside of the discussion for this season, but Giants fans have to be happy with Steve Smith's play late today. He'll be pretty good next year.

He's actually been pretty damn good (for a rookie) all year when he has been healthy. He's had a few injuries that have kept him out of some games though.

[Eaglesfan27]

I swear I hate you. Shut your mouth

Why don't you put him on ignore if it is bothering you that much?

Come on onside kick...

[Jas_lov]

Onside kick recovered by the Patriots. 1:03 to a perfect season.

[DaddyTorgo]

HORRIBLE onside kick.

there we go. ballgame

[korme]

OMG THE PATS DID IT

Seriously, though, congrats NE. We all just witnessed history.

[Radii]

congrats pats.

[DaddyTorgo]

OMG THE PATS DID IT

Seriously, though, congrats NE. We all just witnessed history.

not according to cris collingsworth. According to him it's meaningless if they don't win the SB

[sabotai]

About as good of a game from the Giants as I realstically expected. A close game with a chance to win. Change the outcome of a few plays, and they could have won this.

Of course, they probably gave the Pats one of their toughest games of the year just to get my hopes up for next week and they'll just not show up and get killed by the Bucs.

[Jas_lov]

I would like to congratulate the Patriots on a perfect regular season. They did it.

[Young Drachma]

Meh. Pats need to win it all or all of the hoopla is for naught. Still, pretty freakin' impressive. It just felt like they'd pull it off, even when they were down. Great team to watch. They just get it done.

[jeff061]

not according to cris collingsworth. According to him it's meaningless if they don't win the SB

I agree. I'd rather 10-6 with a bowl over 16-0 without. I never bought the 16-0 hype.

[korme]

It is kind of weird seeing everyone half-celebrating like they just won something more than a regular season game. I understand, but still.

[Eaglesfan27]

not according to cris collingsworth. According to him it's meaningless if they don't win the SB


He didn't exactly say that. He just said they have to win the SB for it to be a great achievement. I agree that it loses some of its impact if they choke in the playoffs.

[DaddyTorgo]

Meh. Pats need to win it all or all of the hoopla is for naught. Still, pretty freakin' impressive. It just felt like they'd pull it off, even when they were down. Great team to watch. They just get it done.

it's not for naught. They're 16-0 in the regular reason. Never been done before.

[Alan T]

not according to cris collingsworth. According to him it's meaningless if they don't win the SB

For the first time ever in my life, I agree with him. Its about winning the superbowl, if they don't, then they didn't end the year with a perfect season. Its an amazing team, and been fun to watch, probably the best team I have ever watched.. but they still have 3 more games to win or its all for naught.

[Cringer]

Just wow. Amazing.

[Rizon]

Just wow. Amazing.

Yep, damn.

[sabotai]

it's not for naught. They're 16-0 in the regular reason. Never been done before.

And it will be remembered as one of the most spectacular failures in NFL history if they don't win the Super Bowl.

[Jas_lov]

The Patriots deserve all the praise they're getting for finishing the regular season undefeated. It's only been done twice in NFL history. Only 35 days, 21 hours, and 48 minutes to a perfect 19-0 season for the Patriots. I'll be updating the countdown regularly for those like DaddyTorgo who are interested.

[Buccaneer]

Congrats to the Pats. What an awesome season.

[DaddyTorgo]

The Patriots deserve all the praise they're getting for finishing the regular season undefeated. It's only been done twice in NFL history. Only 35 days, 21 hours, and 48 minutes to a perfect 19-0 season for the Patriots. I'll be updating the countdown regularly for those like DaddyTorgo who are interested.

LOL. You weren't really bugging me...just being a lil superstitious. I am firmly in the camp of non-superstitious though

[Galaril]

Congrats. And I agree it is for naught if they don't win it. There are some pretty good teams coming into the AFC playoffs and they all are pretty much tough defenses and strong running teams which seem to be the best team to match up against the Pats. I think the AFC wildcard teams , in fact both could even make some noise, so the SB is not a given. It ought to be a lot of fun.

[Jas_lov]

LOL. You weren't really bugging me...just being a lil superstitious. I am firmly in the camp of non-superstitious though

Damn. That's the only reason I was doing it. Anyway, I agree that the playoffs are going to be fantastic! The AFC has a lot of good teams and the Patriots will certainly be challenged by the likes of Jacksonville and Indy. Indy should have a good game with the Chargers. The NFC will feature 4 terrible teams and 2 good ones who will meet again in the NFC Championship, hopefully with a different result. Should be interesting.

[QuikSand]

The Patriots deserve all the praise they're getting for finishing the regular season undefeated. It's only been done twice in NFL history.

Not quite true... the Bears had a couple undefeated regular seasons spoiled by losses in the league championship game. The NFL goes all the way back to 1920, believe it or not, not just back to the NFL/AFL merger or the beginning of the "Superbowl."

[Alan T]

Not quite true... the Bears had a couple undefeated regular seasons spoiled by losses in the league championship game. The NFL goes all the way back to 1920, believe it or not, not just back to the NFL/AFL merger or the beginning of the "Superbowl."


Exactly my point. The pats are the 4th team to have an undefeated regular season (The first to do it in a 16 game regular season), but you don't hear anything about the two teams that did not win the championship. They have had a fantastic season so far, but the job is not complete. I'll be pulling for them to win it all though since my team is not in the playoffs.

[Buccaneer]

Not quite true... the Bears had a couple undefeated regular seasons spoiled by losses in the league championship game. The NFL goes all the way back to 1920, believe it or not, not just back to the NFL/AFL merger or the beginning of the "Superbowl."

Given the media's (and the general population's) mental block on anything happening before 1980, I surprised they would include the 1972 Dolphins.

[Cringer]

I have to say, Superbowl win this year or not, I am now of the opinion that Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time besides Vince Lombardi. And I admit that the only reason I hold Lombardi ahead of him is that I am a Packer fan and love the legend of him.

Bill Parcels can't hold Bill Belichick's jock.

[SirFozzie]

16-0 is the best regular season ever. Can't take that away from the Pats. If they win 3 more, best season ever. Still nothing to sneeze at.

[Galaril]

Not quite true... the Bears had a couple undefeated regular seasons spoiled by losses in the league championship game. The NFL goes all the way back to 1920, believe it or not, not just back to the NFL/AFL merger or the beginning of the "Superbowl."

Exactly my point. The pats are the 4th team to have an undefeated regular season (The first to do it in a 16 game regular season), but you don't hear anything about the two teams that did not win the championship. They have had a fantastic season so far, but the job is not complete. I'll be pulling for them to win it all though since my team is not in the playoffs.

Actually the Bears went 14-0 and lost in the championship game and 42 and the Cleveland Browns went 15-0 in 1948 in the old AAFC. So, in the NFL 16-0 is definitely the record.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1940s/undefeated.jsp

[Alan T]

Actually the Bears went 14-0 and lost in the championship game and 42 and the Cleveland Browns went 15-0 in 1948 in the old AAFC. So, in the NFL 16-0 is definitely the record.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1940s/undefeated.jsp


I am pretty sure that is what I said. :) My point still stands though.

[st.cronin]

Vrabel has 12.5 sacks? Wow. I knew he was having a pretty good year, but I never would have guessed he had that many.

[ISiddiqui]

Bill Parcels can't hold Bill Belichick's jock.

And I think you are nuts. Parcells is a master of turning around teams. I mean, it wasn't like Bellichick walked into a disaster area after all.

[QuikSand]

So, in the NFL 16-0 is definitely the record.

Nobody claimed otherwise. Of course this is the first 16-0 season. It's also the fourth time an NFL team has completed the regular season undefeated. Not the second, which is what was explicitly claimed above, in the post I quoted earlier.

[Galaril]

I am pretty sure that is what I said. :) My point still stands though.

No, fellow Graftonite I wasn't saying you were wrong just adding color like Gumbel:)

[Jas_lov]

So, in the NFL 16-0 is definitely the record.


That's technically not true as the 1972 Miami Dolphins went a perfect 17-0. A 16-0 regular season is definitely the record, but overall it is not. The Patriots can defeat the Dolphins mark by winning the AFC Championship. The Patriots deserve all the credit they're getting for going 16-0 though. It's only happened twice in NFL history.

[st.cronin]

And I think you are nuts. Parcells is a master of turning around teams. I mean, it wasn't like Bellichick walked into a disaster area after all.

Parcells took over a worse situation in New England, true: But he only went 32-32 in his 4 years with the Patriots. Compare Belichek's first four years with Parcells' 4 years in Patriot-land, and there's simply no comparison at all, even given the higher degree of difficulty for Parcells.

[Cringer]

And I think you are nuts. Parcells is a master of turning around teams. I mean, it wasn't like Bellichick walked into a disaster area after all.

Parcell's does a damn good job turning around teams. Too bad he can't stick with them and see it through to the end. He hasn't done that since the Giants.

[ISiddiqui]

Parcells took over a worse situation in New England, true: But he only went 32-32 in his 4 years with the Patriots. Compare Belichek's first four years with Parcells' 4 years in Patriot-land, and there's simply no comparison at all, even given the higher degree of difficulty for Parcells.

Parcells didn't have Tom Brady either ;). Who, let's face it, fell into Belichick's lap after Bledsoe got hurt.

Also, I'm not just talking about the Pats, but the other jobs as well. Belli was merely average at Cleveland. Parcells was great with the Giants, completely turned around the Jets, and even turned around the Cowboys (who people forget were miserable for a number of years before he came along).

[korme]

And it will be remembered as one of the most spectacular failures in NFL history if they don't win the Super Bowl.

Yeah, it almost now feels like the NFL won't be right if they don't win the Superbowl now.

[st.cronin]

Parcells didn't have Tom Brady either ;). Who, let's face it, fell into Belichick's lap after Bledsoe got hurt.

Also, I'm not just talking about the Pats, but the other jobs as well. Belli was merely average at Cleveland. Parcells was great with the Giants, completely turned around the Jets, and even turned around the Cowboys (who people forget were miserable for a number of years before he came along).

I agree that Parcells is one of the greatest coaches of all time. But, all things being equal, who would you rather have coaching your team, him or BB?

[korme]

Given the media's (and the general population's) mental block on anything happening before 1980, I surprised they would include the 1972 Dolphins.

You are absurd! They don't recognize the other 2 because they were shorter schedules and before the merger.

What media blocks anything before 1980? The same media that glorifies Babe Ruth, Ali, those historic Celtics teams, and all other greats?

[korme]

And for this little Belichick/Parcells war, let's just say that growing up, the first team I learned about besides the Bengals was the Browns, and until Belichick won his 1st SB in NE I had no idea he was Cleveland's HC. I knew all about the glory that Parcells achieved, however.

I say Parcells > Belichick all-time, however, Belichick is certainly maximizing what he has in NE - remember, before this year, besides against Carolina, NE was underdogs in their Super Bowls.

[ISiddiqui]

I agree that Parcells is one of the greatest coaches of all time. But, all things being equal, who would you rather have coaching your team, him or BB?

Probably Parcells. But even if you pick Belichick, saying Parcells can't hold BB's jock is quite a ridiculous statement.

before this year, besides against Carolina, NE was underdogs in their Super Bowls.

Aroo? I seriously doubt they were underdogs against Philly.

[st.cronin]

Probably Parcells. But even if you pick Belichick, saying Parcells can't hold BB's jock is quite a ridiculous statement.

Pffft, I say more ridiculous things than that every day.

[ISiddiqui]

Regardless... it doesn't make that statement any less ridiculous ;).

[astrosfan64]

Probably Parcells. But even if you pick Belichick, saying Parcells can't hold BB's jock is quite a ridiculous statement.



Aroo? I seriously doubt they were underdogs against Philly.

Umm NE were heavy favorites vs philly. They only superbowl they weren't the favorite was their first against the rams.

[astrosfan64]

I think this "record" that isn't a record is nice, but the Pats had everything fall into their laps.

The AFC East is the worst division in football.

The bills the 2nd place team, hasn't had 1 win against a winning team.

The dolphins only have 1 win.

The Jets are terrible.

That is six easy wins, right off the top.

No major injuries.

Playing the East in the NFC was a bit difficult. Their major games were the Colts and the Cowboys.

I don't think the Pats are going to win the superbowl, unless the league has an agenda like they did tonight.

[Cringer]

Probably Parcells. But even if you pick Belichick, saying Parcells can't hold BB's jock is quite a ridiculous statement.


So I got all horny for Belichick and exagerated a little. I still take him over Parcells every time. Parecells can build teams, good for him. He should be a GM. Patriots, Jets, Cowboys....he never finished the job. Two with the Giants, and he is a great coach for that (and no I won't say they were in large part to Belichick being with him, I don't go that far). I have a problem with a guy taking over a team for 4 years and then jumping ship. I don't even remeber why he left each team now so maybe someone who does can remind me?

[astrosfan64]

So I got all horny for Belichick and exagerated a little. I still take him over Parcells every time. Parecells can build teams, good for him. He should be a GM. Patriots, Jets, Cowboys....he never finished the job. Two with the Giants, and he is a great coach for that (and no I won't say they were in large part to Belichick being with him, I don't go that far). I have a problem with a guy taking over a team for 4 years and then jumping ship. I don't even remeber why he left each team now so maybe someone who does can remind me?

Left the Giants for health reasons I thought.

Left the Pats, because the GM made him pick someone he didn't want in the draft. That WR he called she :).

Left the Jets, because he was burned out I thought or health reasons.

Left the Cowboys, because Jerry Jones is an ass, I'm not really sure why he left the cowboys.

[Daimyo]

I wonder if Manning now regrets sitting out the last game in 2004? :)

[Cringer]

I think this "record" that isn't a record is nice, but the Pats had everything fall into their laps.

The AFC East is the worst division in football.

The bills the 2nd place team, hasn't had 1 win against a winning team.

The dolphins only have 1 win.

The Jets are terrible.

That is six easy wins, right off the top.

No major injuries.

Playing the East in the NFC was a bit difficult. Their major games were the Colts and the Cowboys.

I don't think the Pats are going to win the superbowl, unless the league has an agenda like they did tonight.

You aren't going to win that arguement. It's kind of dumb, IMO.

ANd the '72 Dolphins had the 3rd easiest schedule in NFL history. Not that year, not that decade, in history. Before and after '72. The Pats had a pretty good schedule, not super hard, but not exactly easy either. If Cleveland and Washington make the playoffs, then the Pats would have played and won against 7 playoff teams this season.

[Vegas Vic]

Great team, but they've got nothing on the 2014 Boston Rhinos.

[Vince]

Great team, but they've got nothing on the 2014 Boston Rhinos.

Win :)

[Cringer]

Win :)

I don't think he does. Most of us have no idea about the Rhinos. I might as well throw out the Norfolk Vipers if we are going to go down that road. :p

[Cringer]

I just realized that NFL Radio is still doing a live radio show. They always end their live programming at midnight eastern time. This game meant a lot to them I guess, it's 2 hours past thier bedtime.

[larrymcg421]

I'm not sure what's more annoying:

The arrogant Pats fans who kept whining about Spygate several weeks after everyone stopped caring about it or the conspiracy theorists who say the NFL has fixed things for the Pats.

[Cringer]

I'm not sure what's more annoying:

The arrogant Pats fans who kept whining about Spygate several weeks after everyone stopped caring about it or the conspiracy theorists who say the NFL has fixed things for the Pats.

C. Bandwagon Cowboy fans in Texas.

[stevew]

http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p4383210dt.jpg

Yeah, so of course this is a bit more meaningful than the "wildcard champs" t-shirt, but I always wonder who the people are who buy garbage like this. That shirt is basically like a gallon of milk, it has a pretty quick expiration date. Do you buy that one, hoping that you can buy the 19-0 superbowl champs shirt in 6 weeks, but dreading that it'll be funny looking if they lose the first playoff game. Like I'll still see people in 2005 AFC Champs steelers shirts....like why the hell didn't you wait 2 weeks and just buy a superbowl champ shirt.

[stevew]

that'd be sharp if you got it autographed though, i suppose.

[DeToxRox]

that'd be sharp if you got it autographed though, i suppose.

That's one ugly shirt.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Umm NE were heavy favorites vs philly. They only superbowl they weren't the favorite was their first against the rams.

I think he was also referring to the SB losses against the Bears and Packers. But you are right about Philly game.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I think this "record" that isn't a record is nice, but the Pats had everything fall into their laps.

The AFC East is the worst division in football.

The bills the 2nd place team, hasn't had 1 win against a winning team.

The dolphins only have 1 win.

The Jets are terrible.

That is six easy wins, right off the top.

No major injuries.

Playing the East in the NFC was a bit difficult. Their major games were the Colts and the Cowboys.

I don't think the Pats are going to win the superbowl, unless the league has an agenda like they did tonight.

Your Pats' analysis is about as good as your betting strategy with the Seahawks. I would agree that they have had some cream puff games (but I disagree with your contention that the Bills are not at least a quality middle of the road NFL team). But what they lacked in the number of harder games, they made up for in the quality of the tough games.

When you look at the 16 games, they will have beaten 4 division winners (including 13-2 Colts and Cowboys teams on the road) and likely 2-3 other playoff teams.

As far as injuries, they have missed the catastrophic ones I would agree, but still Seymour did miss the first 6 games and still isn't healthy as of today. There have been other injuries like basically not having much of a TE corps the entire year. Colvin gone for the year has stressed the LB corps. But why is this a surprise? Is it really less of an accomplishment because they didn't go undefeated (so far) with a second string QB? Is what you're saying really that in comparison, many past teams' SB wins are tainted because they didn't have enough injuries? I mean that is usually the main reason behind quality performances in the NFL (except of course the Pats in 2003 and 2004 winning the SB after horrendous injury situations).

I will agree that the without a SB win, the achievement will be little more than a footnote. But as of today, before the playoffs occur, it stands as a great accomplishment.

[Draft Dodger]

man, Bryant Gumbel was at the top of his game. even my wife was correcting him, and she doesn't know much about football. she, though, is at least able to tell that the guys in blue play for NY and the guys in white play for NE.

he just annoys the fuck out of me. When the Pats were taking the field for the first time: "and the Pats come back onto the field for the first time tonight". huh?

when the Giants scored their first TD: "and just like that, we have a ball game". Bryant, it's the first quarter. He was INSANE about the perfect season thing. Every time the Giants made a play, they were one step closer to the upset. For crying out loud, when the Giants scored that late TD, and still needed an onside kick, a drive into FG range with what appears to be the worst hurry up offense in the NFL, and a FG just to tie it, he made it sound like they had the Pats on the ropes. What a complete tool.

That was an exciting game to watch. I wonder who keeps the ball from the 2nd Moss TD - it was a record breaker for both Moss and Brady.

The Giants have a good little team, and it wouldn't shock me to see them go deep in the playoffs. They played stupid football in the 2nd half, though. When the Giants first 4th Q possession was a Manning fumble followed by 2 incomplete passes (taking all of 1:17 off the clock), I knew they'd lost the game. And that final drive of theirs was just ugly. They did know they had to score twice, right?

[Draft Dodger]

oh, and I wasn't listening all that closely, but I think I heard the NFL Network bozos say that the pressure would increase for the Pats after this. I disagree. I think now that they get over this hump, the pressure is off a little bit. There's still pressure to get to the Super Bowl, but that's not really all that different from a normal postseason for a good team. And certainly, they've felt that pressure before, and it's worked out ok for them.

[Lathum]

Watching this game really made me wonder how bad the NFL wanted the Pats to go undefeated into the playoffs, the Giats had a couple of BS phantom calls that affected the game. Especialy the 2 on Toomer virtualy in succession.

[SteveMax58]

50 TD's from Brady...23 TD's from Moss...and 290-something rush yards from Peterson in a single game...the NFL is so unrealistic.

[Draft Dodger]

Watching this game really made me wonder how bad the NFL wanted the Pats to go undefeated into the playoffs, the Giats had a couple of BS phantom calls that affected the game. Especialy the 2 on Toomer virtualy in succession.

I agree that the Pats got some favorable calls. But, they are often a team on the wrong side of the bad calls so I just looked at it as a rebalancing of the karmic forces.

[SteveMax58]

The Giants have a good little team, and it wouldn't shock me to see them go deep in the playoffs. They played stupid football in the 2nd half, though. When the Giants first 4th Q possession was a Manning fumble followed by 2 incomplete passes (taking all of 1:17 off the clock), I knew they'd lost the game. And that final drive of theirs was just ugly. They did know they had to score twice, right?


As a Giants fan, I can tell you this describes the last 3+ years. They play to tie & not get blown out more often than they play to win. This game last night was another game where they are a play or 2 from possibly winning...but alas great teams make those plays, and mediocre teams do not.

[gstelmack]

Watching this game really made me wonder how bad the NFL wanted the Pats to go undefeated into the playoffs, the Giats had a couple of BS phantom calls that affected the game. Especialy the 2 on Toomer virtualy in succession.

Bah, bunch of whining. The Toomer one on the sidelines was BS, although I think the Giants kind of brought on a call by getting all mad when the tackle was clearly a hit in bounds (the kick returner still had one foot in the field of play when he got shoved). But yeah, not sure what they called there.

My favorite was Plaxico dropping the TD pass and getting all mad about the no-call when replays clearly showed him shoving Wilson (?) to the ground.

Officiating was actually pretty decent in this one.

Congrats to the Giants on playing hard. They came out and fought, and hung 35 on the Pats. I think the big difference in this one was New England getting those long drives in the first half to wear the defense down for the second half scoring splurge. Eli played pretty well, Jacobs was a beast (that first TD catch was all will).

Congrats to my beloved Pats on the undefeated season, the scoring record, and the TD record for both Brady and Moss. Now to finish this thing out.

[Raiders Army]

Sell the TD ball on ebay and then put an asterisk on it and give it to Canton.

[astrosfan64]

Watching this game really made me wonder how bad the NFL wanted the Pats to go undefeated into the playoffs, the Giats had a couple of BS phantom calls that affected the game. Especialy the 2 on Toomer virtualy in succession.

Agreed 100%

[jeff061]

Agreed 100%

I didn't think people that could formulate this opinion would have the cognitive power to work a keyboard.

[Draft Dodger]

I didn't think people that could formulate this opinion would have the cognitive power to work a keyboard.

his mother types his answers for him

[astrosfan64]

his mother types his answers for him

Funny? I thought mom jokes went out in the 2nd grade.

[Suburban Rhythm]

My favorite was Plaxico dropping the TD pass and getting all mad about the no-call when replays clearly showed him shoving Wilson (?) to the ground.



Please tell me after he did this, he found Moss on the sideline as cried "I learned it by watching you, alright!?!?"

[gstelmack]

Please tell me after he did this, he found Moss on the sideline as cried "I learned it by watching you, alright!?!?"

Moss doesn't usually whine that the other guy should have been called for intereference when he pushes off.

[jeff061]

Haven't seen Moss do that at all, at least not this year. In fact several times I've seen him get man handled and not blink an eye returning to the huddle. Now, if you are asking whether he learned how to actually physically abuse the DB and not get called for it, that's something else altogether. But I have not seen Moss bitch at the refs.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Moss doesn't usually whine that the other guy should have been called for intereference when he pushes off.

Haven't seen Moss do that at all, at least not this year. In fact several times I've seen him get man handled and not blink an eye returning to the huddle. Now, if you are asking whether he learned how to actually physically abuse the DB and not get called for it, that's something else altogether. But I have not seen Moss bitch at the refs.

That's where I was trying to go with it...my joke bombed.

[Buccaneer]

You are absurd! They don't recognize the other 2 because they were shorter schedules and before the merger.

What media blocks anything before 1980? The same media that glorifies Babe Ruth, Ali, those historic Celtics teams, and all other greats?

Witness all of those "Best of..." web lists that ESPN, SI, Sportsline do that only goes back to the last "25" years. The demographics are for the under-40 crowd and it's best they highlight those teams/players/events/moments in their lifetime (to the point where 'old school' becomes a cliche and the butt of jokes). Fans like you and I can appreciate baseball's or football's total history but we're an exception.

[Buccaneer]

I keep seeing here and elsewhere the phrase that this undefeated season for the Pats will become "meaningless" if they don't win the SB. I think that's hyperbole since they did set 4 significant records this year that I think will stand for a while. Those are not meaningless. I think some people remember great seasons (and individual performances) just as much as they remember the champions.

[jeff061]

When I say it is meaningless I mean specifically the 16-0 record. It's still a season for the ages, no matter what happens.

[Draft Dodger]

I keep seeing here and elsewhere the phrase that this undefeated season for the Pats will become "meaningless" if they don't win the SB. I think that's hyperbole since they did set 4 significant records this year that I think will stand for a while. Those are not meaningless. I think some people remember great seasons (and individual performances) just as much as they remember the champions.

I think it's valid. One of those records was most points in the season, breaking the '98 Vikings record. No one cares about them.

[RendeR]

I think it's valid. One of those records was most points in the season, breaking the '98 Vikings record. No one cares about them.


Thats exactly right, the one tihng that means more than anything in the NFL is winning the Super Bowl. This pats team, if it loses now and doesn't take home lombardi, will not be perfect. They'll be one of the 4 (or is it 5 now) teams tht completed the regular season undefeated. Only the Dolphins ave ever had the perfect season.

They will be considered one of the best teams ever because of the records they set and the fact that they are the first team to be undefeated in the regular season since they went to a 16 game schedule.

The fact that they did so actually has me hoping that they'll move 2 games from the preseason into the regular season and have an 18 game schedule someday soon. It would be very easy to implement with the current scheduling setup.

Congrats to the Patsies, they went 16-0, for their sake I hope they don't blow it and lose in the playoffs because it would really ruin the historic view of this team.



*Tom Brady is still a girlie man, no matter what the popular opinion says ;)

[Cringer]

21 yard run by Favre on the Packers first drive. Wow, he hasn't gone that far in years. Wish I had seen it.

[Raiders Army]

It's hard to find a good football game that's on right now.

[Cringer]

Ryan Grant with a 20 something yard (I think, it was long I know that) TD run. Packers up fast. Nice.

And I just got a load finally after sitting for 24 hours. Looks like I need to take off and can't post about football all day while I listen to it on the radio and watch it online. It's a good thing I guess...... :D

[Raiders Army]

Chicago is doing well, although I'm more tired of the Devin Hester hype than the perfect season hype. Hester didn't do shit against the Raiders and they kicked it to him every single time.

[Bearcat729]

Brady Quinn is now playing in Cleveland

[jeff061]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/12/30/bc.fbn.giantsstadium.es.ap/index.html

Belichick strikes again!!!

[Raiders Army]

Thanks for the heads-up. Switching over right now.

[larrymcg421]

Chicago is doing well, although I'm more tired of the Devin Hester hype than the perfect season hype. Hester didn't do shit against the Raiders and they kicked it to him every single time.

The guy has 12 TD's in two years, but yeah, go ahead and judge him on one game.

:rolleyes:

[Raiders Army]

damn, Quinn is lookng pretty good.

[larrymcg421]

*paging Cam*

[Draft Dodger]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/12/30/bc.fbn.giantsstadium.es.ap/index.html

Belichick strikes again!!!

;)

[Raiders Army]

The guy has 12 TD's in two years, but yeah, go ahead and judge him on one game.

:rolleyes:

I'm not saying he isn't a great player; he clearly is a great returner. However, does he deserve all the hype? I think Daunte Hall was a better overall returner. Hall didn't get rated a 100 in speed for Madden. Hall didn't do a bunch of commercials for the NFL.

He had 8 tackles last year as a DB and 1 tackle this year. This year as a receiver, he's had 18 receptions for 234 yards and one touchdown. He's also rushed 7 times for -10 yards.

13 TDs in two years...as an offensive player I'd say that's particularly pedestrian.

[Galaril]

The Jags and Texans has turned into an interesting game.The Texan's are up by 14 and Andre Davis returns two KOs for TDS.

[Raiders Army]

The guy has 12 TD's in two years, but yeah, go ahead and judge him on one game.

:rolleyes:

Also, judge him on two years. :rolleyes:

[Galaril]

The Colts Titans game tonight is going to be pretty good. Whenever those two get together it is almost always a physical war and usually a close game even with the Colts high pwoered offense.Plus, with the Titans fighting for a playoff spot and evryone talking how even with the Colts starters only going to playa quarter or two that should be enough offense to overpower the Titans.

[Raiders Army]

Anderson is back in.

[Rizon]

I think Beck from Miami has set the record for highest turnover % (TO/touches). I don't think I've ever seen him NOT fumble.

[Raiders Army]

I'm not saying he isn't a great player; he clearly is a great returner. However, does he deserve all the hype? I think Daunte Hall was a better overall returner. Hall didn't get rated a 100 in speed for Madden. Hall didn't do a bunch of commercials for the NFL.

He had 8 tackles last year as a DB and 1 tackle this year. This year as a receiver, he's had 18 receptions for 234 yards and one touchdown. He's also rushed 7 times for -10 yards.

13 TDs in two years...as an offensive player I'd say that's particularly pedestrian.

And another thing, I'd credit the Bears return teams just as much for Hester's returns as Hester himself. He doesn't block the other teams.

[larrymcg421]

I'm not saying he isn't a great player; he clearly is a great returner. However, does he deserve all the hype? I think Daunte Hall was a better overall returner. Hall didn't get rated a 100 in speed for Madden. Hall didn't do a bunch of commercials for the NFL.


Dante Hall - 104 games, 12 return TD's
Devin Hester - 31 games, 10 return TD's (11 if you count the FG return)

Hester is getting return TD's at an unprecedented rate. 1 TD every 3 games is unheard of for a return man. If that doesn't deserve hype, then I don't know what does.


13 TDs in two years...as an offensive player I'd say that's particularly pedestrian.

Now you're just making an assinine argument. You very well know that he hasn't been an offensive player for 2 years, so why make such a ridiciulous statement? 11 return TD's in 2 years certainly isn't pedestrian, considering it's never been done before in NFL history.

Also, judge him on two years. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

How the fuck else are we supposed to judge him? You wanted to judge him based on one single game. I'm judging him based on his entire career at this point. No, we can't look into a crystal ball and see how he'll do in future years, but in 2 seasons he's already within 2 of the career kickoff TD record and within 4 of the career punt TD record. I'm sorry, but that's damn impressive whether you like it or not.

[kingfc22]

Anderson is back in.

And the Browns fans were booing him.:rolleyes: Ummm, the only reason you are good this season is because of Anderson.

[larrymcg421]

Oh, and it looks like you can add two more TD's to Hester's total.

Hester is now tied for 6th all time (with Dave Meggett) in punt return TD's. He just passed Deion Sanders and Dante Hall.

[korme]

Some young CB just laid out CJ after Johnson holds on for a 15 yd catch. As soon as the corner gets up he runs down the field, but Chad gets up right behind him and chases behind him and the CB starts to clap and CJ just claps right behind him like "Don't celebrate after I just held on to a 15 yard completion!"

[Raiders Army]

Hester is getting return TD's at an unprecedented rate. 1 TD every 3 games is unheard of for a return man. If that doesn't deserve hype, then I don't know what does.
Again, not saying he isn't a great player, but he doesn't deserve all the hype he gets.
Now you're just making an assinine argument. You very well know that he hasn't been an offensive player for 2 years, so why make such a ridiciulous statement? 11 return TD's in 2 years certainly isn't pedestrian, considering it's never been done before in NFL history.
Just making the point that he hasn't done anything worthwhile on his own.
How the fuck else are we supposed to judge him? You wanted to judge him based on one single game. I'm judging him based on his entire career at this point. No, we can't look into a crystal ball and see how he'll do in future years, but in 2 seasons he's already within 2 of the career kickoff TD record and within 4 of the career punt TD record. I'm sorry, but that's damn impressive whether you like it or not.
It is impressive, but I'd say reserve judgment on him until we see how he is as an overall football player. I wonder what Brian Mitchell or Daunte Hall or Joshua Cribbs would do in his position with the same 10 guys blocking for him.

[Raiders Army]

dola, larrymcg, you can just crown his ass. ;)

[korme]

Josh Cribbs is a beast I can't deny it

[Abe Sargent]

Wow, announcer just said something so stupid in the Jax-Texans game I don;t even want to repeat.

[Abe Sargent]

It was when Quinn Gray threw the fourth TD on the day on 3rd and Goal from the 17. Worst announcer ever.

[korme]

TJ drops a catch on 3rd and 1 that would have put him #1 this season in receptions, instead he's going to end TIED with Welker at 112

[Bearcat729]

And the Browns fans were booing him.:rolleyes: Ummm, the only reason you are good this season is because of Anderson.

It's not all on Anderson. The OL has played great. I still hope the Browns will consider trading Anderson in the offseason.