You Gotta Hand it to Clemens...

[Subby]

He's a total douche.

That press conference was the most cringeworthy thing I have seen out of an athlete in a long time. Who tapes their phone calls and plays them back like that?

Anyway...way to orchestrate all of this and make yourself look MORE culpable. That's hard to achieve.

[Butter]

Who tapes their phone calls and plays them back like that?

A douche.

[albionmoonlight]

I have not been paying attention. What extra level of douchebaggery has he recently achieved? What did he do at the press conference?

[Subby]

A douche.
I was thinking scorned teenage girl, but yeah - I could see a douche doing that.

[Logan]

I have not been paying attention. What extra level of douchebaggery has he recently achieved? What did he do at the press conference?

Acted a douche.

[Subby]

I have not been paying attention. What extra level of douchebaggery has he recently achieved? What did he do at the press conference?
The Worldwide Leader in Douchebags, ESPN, has video - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494

[Logan]

ESPN has video - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494

Way to ruin our streak of 5 straight posts containing "douche."

I figured we could have made it to the 2nd page, especially once someone brought up Bonds.

[Lathum]

It'll be fun when he gets thrown in jail for purjury, douche

[Atocep]

hxxp://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/01/08/2008-01-08_brian_mcnamees_lawyers_demand_release_of.html

Brian McNamee's lawyers demand release of recorded interview

BY CHRISTIAN RED in Houstonand TERI THOMPSON in New York
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Tuesday, January 8th 2008, 4:00 AM

Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte sent private investigators to conduct a taped interview with Brian McNamee the day before the release of the Mitchell Report. Tapes of the extensive session have not been released by Clemens' camp.

McNamee's attorney, Earl Ward, issued a statement Monday calling for Clemens' attorney Rusty Hardin to release the tapes, as Hardin did with a 17-minute recording of an emotional, profanity-laced conversation between McNamee and Clemens that occurred on Friday night. In that tape, which was played for the media at Clemens' press conference in Houston, McNamee laments the developments that have occurred, saying his son is ill and that he is broke. McNamee said, "I want it to go away. I'm with you in your corner ... but I also don't want to go to jail. It has nothing to do with you. I'd also like to sit down in person with you."

Of the taped interview that took place Dec.12, Ward said in a statement, "Brian told these investigators the same thing he told the federal authorities and Senator Mitchell. And we hearby demand the tape be released in its entirety immediately."

According to Joe Householder, a Hardin assistant, Clemens' attorneys do not plan to release the tape, at least not in the near future. Parts of it are included in the defamation lawsuit Clemens filed in a Texas state court just before the "60 Minutes" report aired Sunday night. "It's an item in the discovery process," Householder told the Daily News. "It'll probably become public during the discovery process."

According to Ward, the Clemens camp may not want to release the tape for another reason: he believes it confirms what McNamee has said all along - that he told investigators and Mitchell the truth about injecting Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone and Pettitte with HGH. Pettitte has confirmed that he took HGH on two occasions.

The tape also brings into question Clemens' statement to Mike Wallace during a "60 Minutes" interview on Sunday that he had no advance knowledge of what McNamee had told Mitchell, although Hardin said during the press conference that McNamee had informed Pettitte and a representative of Clemens' by phone eight days before the Mitchell Report was released that he had spoken to Mitchell and federal investigators. The investigators - a representative from Hardin's law firm and a former Houston homicide officer - arrived to interview McNamee on Wednesday, the day before the report's release, presenting him with documents signed on Dec.11 authorizing them to ask questions on behalf of Clemens and Pettitte.

"They were there strictly to ask him open-ended questions as to what he had said," Householder said. "That was the purpose and he told them what he told Mitchell."

Clemens repeated in his press conference yesterday what he told Wallace - "if I would have known what this man, Brian McNamee, had said in this report, I would have been down in a heartbeat to take care of it."

Said Ward: "Mr. Clemens did in fact know that he was named in the report prior to its release and the only thing he did in a heartbeat was to hire a lawyer prior to the release of Senator Mitchell's report. Brian told the federal authorities the truth. Thereafter Brian met with Senator Mitchell as detailed in the Mitchell Report."

Its becoming more and more clear that at the very least Clemens isn't telling the entire truth and is being misleading. From the outside this looks like your standard PR campaign to get as much misinformation out there as possible to create doubt.


douchebag

[DanGarion]

The king of douche!

[TroyF]

I guess I'm having trouble figuring out why he's released this tape. Obviously, the goal was to get the guy to admit he was a liar. He failed at that as the guy never admitted the lie.

So what's the point of releasing this then? To show that you can cuss out a government witness? Does Roger and his lawyers really think this is going to help him in any meaningful way?

Am I missing something here?

Douche.

[Anthony]

ok, Doucher Clemens, i believe you didn't take PEDs because you said you don't care about the HOF. that clearly shows you are innocent in all this. i believe you now. its very easy to not care about something that you no longer are a lock to get into.

[Logan]

The Worldwide Leader in Douchebags, ESPN

HA! Well done.

F those douches.

[SteveMax58]

Well...I for one believe him as if he had taken any kind of steroid there is no doubt he would have horned douches coming out of his forehead.

I also believe that he would be pulling douche-flavored protractors with his teeth...and to date, I have yet to see this.

[rkmsuf]

If he's lord douchebag who is lady douchebag?

[stevew]

At least he's trying to defend himself, even though it makes him look stupid. Not like that "I don't want to talk about the past" douche.

[molson]

Anyway...way to orchestrate all of this and make yourself look MORE culpable. That's hard to achieve.

Nah, I think that's what typically happens when a douche tries to defend a lie.

The audio absolutely makes him look worse. The other guy knew it was being recorded (or knew that there was a strong chance of that). And he's a life-long jock-sniffer who's biggest stress in life is the fact that he's been forced to turn on these athletes that had "accepted" him into their lives.

So he's not going to call Clemens a liar to his face, because he's basically in love with him. But he's also not going to lie himself on the tape about anything involving the feds, knowing the conversatoin is being taped.

Clemens basically thinks he's smarter than all of us, and that he'll get out of all this because he throws a lot of money at lawyers. He's a total asshole. I wouldn't keep him out of the HOF for steroids, but I would for being a douche.

[Fidatelo]

At least he's trying to defend himself, even though it makes him look stupid. Not like that "I don't want to talk about the past" douche.

Isn't defending yourself in the face of overwhelming odds only valiant if you are indeed actually innocent? Otherwise you're just a big weasel-douche that can't own up to your actions.

[cuervo72]

I'd like to hear two things:

1. A tape of Suzyn Waldman yelling "Oh my gawd it's Roger Clemens taping a phone call! Roger Clemens is a total douche!"

2. A tape of Roger Clemens leaving a message for Alec Baldwin's daughter.

[lighthousekeeper]

Yesterday, somewhere in the foothills of Afganistan, Mark McGwire is smiling, knowing that he made the right choice in shutting the eff up.








....douche says what?

[molson]

If ONE player ever came out and said, "Ya, I used steroids, pretty religioulsy for a while. I knew it was wrong, and I feel like a douche for doing it, but there was a lot of pressure for me to keep my career going and stay in the league. I got the sense everyone else was doing it, and justified it in my own mind by thinking I'd be at a disadvantage if I didn't do it too. I definitely helped my career somewhat, though at the potential risk of my health'......

I'd be in favor of immediate entry into the HOF, even if he was a weak-hitting middle infielder.

[QuikSand]

ping molson, you douche... didn't you forget something?

[lighthousekeeper]

If ONE player ever came out and said, "Ya, I used steroids, pretty religioulsy for a while. I knew it was wrong, and I feel bad about it, but there was a lot of pressure for me to keep my career going and stay in the league. I got the sense everyone else was doing it, and justified it in my own mind by thinking I'd be at a disadvantage if I didn't do it too. I definitely helped my career somewhat, though at the potential risk of my health'......

I'd be in favor of immediate entry into the HOF, even if he was a weak-hitting middle infielder.


Yeah, though I suspect those with enough integrity to do that probably weren't lured into PED use to begin with.



What rhymes with douche?

[lighthousekeeper]

If ONE player ever came out and said, "Ya, I used steroids, pretty religioulsy for a while. I knew it was wrong, and I feel bad about it, but there was a lot of pressure for me to keep my career going and stay in the league. I got the sense everyone else was doing it, and justified it in my own mind by thinking I'd be at a disadvantage if I didn't do it too. I definitely helped my career somewhat, though at the potential risk of my health'......

I'd be in favor of immediate entry into the HOF, even if he was a weak-hitting middle infielder.

Even if he was a douche who once had a home run bounce off his performance-enhanced noggin?

[molson]

ping molson, you douche... didn't you forget something?

My bad - corrected.

It's just that this douche Clemens gets me all riled up.

[Fidatelo]

If ONE player ever came out and said, "Ya, I used steroids, pretty religioulsy for a while. I knew it was wrong, and I feel like a douche for doing it, but there was a lot of pressure for me to keep my career going and stay in the league. I got the sense everyone else was doing it, and justified it in my own mind by thinking I'd be at a disadvantage if I didn't do it too. I definitely helped my career somewhat, though at the potential risk of my health'......

I'd be in favor of immediate entry into the HOF, even if he was a weak-hitting middle infielder.

Doesn't that douchebag Jose Canseco fit this criteria? So he's in then?

[Draft Dodger]

What rhymes with douche?

orange?

oh wait, no. it's double douche

[lighthousekeeper]

Doesn't that douchebag Jose Canseco fit this criteria? So he's in then?

2 minutes too late, douche.

[molson]

Doesn't that douchebag Jose Canseco fit this criteria? So he's in then?

He wasn't an active player at the time, so I'd make that distinction. But I might put that douche in the HOF "contributors" wing. Would we even have the Mitchell report and the current media scrunity on steroids without him?

[Flasch186]

I had no idea that when my wife said she need to put a douche in she was talking about fucking Roger Clemens!!!

FUCK

[rkmsuf]

The question is, knowing what you know now, would you still draft this douche or take your chances with another highly touted rookie that you don't know how they will do?

[MikeVic]

I'd rather take Satchel Paige if we're talking immortality here for non-douches.

[rkmsuf]

I'd rather take Satchel Paige if we're talking immortality here.

But you don't know if Paige will be any good! He might be a douche as well.

[MikeVic]

But you don't know if Paige will be any good!

I have very good scouts that can detect douchery.

[Toddzilla]

I'd rather take Satchel Paige if we're talking immortality here.

But you don't know if Paige will be any good!
DOUCHE FAIL

[MikeVic]

DOUCHE FAIL

Are you calling a douche failure on Paige?

[rkmsuf]

DOUCHE FAIL

Sorry. I redouched.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Douche.

(I just wanted to be a part of something big.)

[Young Drachma]

McNamee was interviewed by SI.com and reading this story, it seems to bolster the idea that Roger is basically trying to play the COY deal, that he can't believe the guy would roll over and probably thinks (wrongly) that if he comes out blazing guns, that they can't ever prove it, that he can just keep lying and hope it's just the court of public opinion.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/07/mcnamee.clemens/index.html

[path12]

If he's lord douchebag who is lady douchebag?

Marion Jones?

Clemens is coming off as the doucheiest douche that ever douched.

[Flasch186]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/Flasch186/massenclemens.jpg

[Logan]

McNamee was interviewed by SI.com and reading this story, it seems to bolster the idea that Roger is basically trying to play the COY deal, that he can't believe the guy would roll over and probably thinks (wrongly) that if he comes out blazing guns, that they can't ever prove it, that he can just keep lying and hope it's just the court of public opinion.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/07/mcnamee.clemens/index.html

HURRY UP AND EDIT BEFORE YOU'RE THE DOUCHE THAT KILLS IT!

[Lathum]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/Flasch186/massenclemens.jpg

very douchalistic

[Crapshoot]

Gary Huackabay at BP had this to say about this whole Congress investigating bullshit, and its a summary of my views:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=720
The House Oversight Committee has summoned several players and former players, including Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte, to testify before the committee.

All this time, I thought there was a writer’s strike. But surely, this has to be fiction, right? Pakistan is teetering on the brink of chaos. The economy’s fragile at best, plagued by fear, uncertainty, and doubt, both on the business and consumer side. Oil’s at $100 a barrel. We’ve got nearly 200,000 troops deployed and in harm’s way around the world. The federal debt is to the point where it’s about to grow by a digit — which would be its 14th.

So, facing these, and lots of other issues that face the citizenry, Henry Waxman and crew have decided to spend their time, their staff’s time, and, unfortunately, our time, by grilling a bunch of ballplayers about whether or not they used substances to enhance their play on the field.

Let’s stipulate to a couple things, just as part of a thought experiment. Let’s say that all the players are guilty. Of everything any has in the back of their mind. Dianabol Smoothies. HGH facial wraps. Testosterone-injecting parties that make the party scene in ‘JFK’ seem like a Sunday afternoon at Orrin Hatch’s house. Let’s go further. Let’s say that these ballplayers are making personal visits to high schools across the nation, speaking to classrooms every day with the central message of “Steroids worked for me! And now I’m a Hall of Fame ballplayer, rolling in cash, and tapping tail that would make Brad Pitt and Jay-Z genuflect before me.” At the end of each speech, players pass out samples of D-Bol and HGH, and some delicious fruit roll-ups, laced with ‘The Clear’.

That still wouldn’t warrant this kind of treatment. Waxman and his committee are displaying the basest kind of vile pandering, willing to do anything for a few minutes in front of a live camera with an opportunity to wag their atherosclerotically clubbed fingers in righteous anger. We’re talking about small widgets in a small business, that’s already done a hell of a job cleaning up their act, if you actually look at the numbers.

And before anyone gets the idea of writing me with yet another ironically juvenile “What about the children?!?!?!?” diatribe…piss off. The children are at far greater risk from the advertisement barrages that bracket innings within the game. No six year old should know who the hell Spuds MacKenzie or the Budweiser frogs are. Let’s tally up the damage to children from steroids compared to alcohol, shall we? Selective protection of the young teaches hypocrisy.

This whole issue is bulls–t, and everyone, in their heart of hearts, knows it. The collective societal masturbation on this issue is something out of Ionesco, and the number of whorish sell-outs who should resign in disgrace is climbing faster and more brazenly than Barry Bonds‘ HR totals ever did.

Don’t sit idly by and accept this miserable performance from Congress. Make a call. Drop an e-mail. Better yet, write a letter. Good Lord, if me or anyone else did their jobs in a similar fashion, we’d be justifiably terminated in nothing flat.

[cuervo72]

HURRY UP AND EDIT BEFORE YOU'RE THE DOUCHE THAT KILLS IT!

[crüe]She's got the douche that KILLS!
That ki-illls
[/crüe]

[Julio Riddols]

It seems like the same cycle all the real big names go through..

Reporters: Did you do it?

Douche: No, unequivocally, irrevocably, no. I don't even know what steroids are.


Months later....

General public: Did you do it?

Douche: Well, I did something sort of like it.. I didn't know though, I swear.. I had no idea I was being rubbed down with crack filled toothpaste and being fed steroid ketchup with my burgers and fries.

Months later...

Prosecutor: Did you do it?

Douche: Yes, goddammit.. I did it. I admit it, I shot up all kinds of enhancers and drank the blood of infants while my trainer laughed and rubbed his hands together like an evil genius.. But my records are still records, and I am still awesome. No one will ever know exactly how to look at my career because it will be a topic of constant debate for a looooong time, just like what happened to any of these other douches before me. I'm just continuing the legacy.

And on and on, into perpetuity.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Gary Huackabay at BP had this to say about this whole Congress investigating bullshit, and its a summary of my views:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=720

+1

This whole thing is douchetastic.

Who the hell cares if this douche took sterioids or not? His playing days are pretty much done, so he's not going impact anymore baseball games. It's not like they're going to go back and take away his Cy Youngs if he was shooting up or strip him of his World Series ring or anything like that.

The only potential impact this thing will have on Clemens is his "legacy" and whether he'll get into the "Hall of Fame." It's really all about him, so why do we care?

Of all the douche bag sports stories that have plauged us over the last decade or so, this is the doucheiest.

[Maple Leafs]

Who the hell cares if this douche took sterioids or not? His playing days are pretty much done, so he's not going impact anymore baseball games. It's not like they're going to go back and take away his Cy Youngs if he was shooting up or strip him of his World Series ring or anything like that.

Don't overestimate unhinged Clemens haters everywhere.

[RedKingGold]

Thanks for doucheing it up, guys.

[lighthousekeeper]

It's not like they're going to go back and take away his Cy Youngs if he was shooting up or strip him of his World Series ring or anything like that. The only potential impact this thing will have on Clemens is his "legacy" and whether he'll get into the "Hall of Fame."

We'll know whether we can properly label him as a "douche" or a "total douche", which is more important than that other stuff.

[molson]

Gary Huackabay at BP had this to say about this whole Congress investigating bullshit, and its a summary of my views:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=720
-
I hate that argument (in general).

So Congress should just focus on tbe very most important thing, (which I guess would be trying to prevent a nuclear holocasut), and ignore everything else? Life is about more than the most important things. You and I could be doing more important things than posting here.

Clemens in a douche.

[Anthony]

Gary Huackabay at BP had this to say about this whole Congress investigating bullshit, and its a summary of my views:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=720

why should people be allowed to make millions not based on their natural talent and abilities, but how much illegal drugs they're willing to consume.

shit, i would take steroids and PEDs if it would make me millions. i don't care about no HOF.

that's like allowing your neighbor to leave his dog's shit on your lawn because "there's more important things to be worrying about".

[lighthousekeeper]

Don't overestimate unhinged Clemens haters everywhere.

I wasn't a Clemens hater until yesterday. The dude called up his old buddy under the pretense of concern for his deathly ill son in order to save his own ass.

This could have all been about parking tickets for all I care, but that was a d.o.u.c.h.e. move.

[JediKooter]

Clemens is truely a doctor of doucheology.

[Crapshoot]

why should people be allowed to make millions not based on their natural talent and abilities, but how much illegal drugs they're willing to consume.

shit, i would take steroids and PEDs if it would make me millions. i don't care about no HOF.

that's like allowing your neighbor to leave his dog's shit on your lawn because "there's more important things to be worrying about".

That's most retarded and assinine arguement I've heard in a while. Where the hell do you get off on the premise that Clemens is great because of steroids? I don't like the guy, but to hear every idiot in the media (and a bunch of the uninformed populace), they turn you from the 90-pound kid to a superstar - which is ridiculous. Go look at the studies and see how large the purported effect is - it simply isn't, no matter what some holier-than-thou person would have you believe.

Moreover, your analogy is... awful. A person taking steroids (themselves) is comparable to someone else shitting on your lawn? Seriously?

[molson]

Go look at the studies and see how large the purported effect is - it simply isn't, no matter what some holier-than-thou person would have you believe.



So........why does everyone shrink their balls and ruin their liver to do it?

[watravaler]

Sigh, Roger, just hand McNamee his check...7 figures should get him to change his tune...

[DaddyTorgo]

clemens is a douchebag and a cheater.

and I was 7 years old in 1986. I grew up on Roger Clemens in a Red Sox uniform in my formative years. But he can go f*ck himself...cheating lying arsehole!

[MizzouRah]

This thread has "douche" written all over it.

F*ck douchebag Clemens!

[Maple Leafs]

I wasn't a Clemens hater until yesterday. The dude called up his old buddy under the pretense of concern for his deathly ill son in order to save his own ass.
Yeah, that was actually pretty outstanding. The fascinating thing about this trainwreck is that either Clemens is telling the truth, or he's a douche on a level far beyond anything we've seen from Bonds or Canseco. I really can't see a middle ground here.

If he's honestly going to browbeat his former friend into abanoning his sick son to do jail time for him just to save his "legacy", then... well, just wow.

[TroyF]

Sigh, Roger, just hand McNamee his check...7 figures should get him to change his tune...


I seriously doubt it. McNamee is in for the long haul now. He cut a deal with the feds. As part of that deal, he gave up The Douche. If he goes back on his word and says he lied about it, it's going to mean jail time for him.

With a sick kid at home, I doubt very seriously that he accepts a check from anyone.

[path12]

Sigh, Roger, just hand McNamee his check...7 figures should get him to change his tune...

Ahem. I think you forgot something.......... (douche?)

[TroyF]

-
I hate that argument (in general).

So Congress should just focus on tbe very most important thing, (which I guess would be trying to prevent a nuclear holocasut), and ignore everything else? Life is about more than the most important things. You and I could be doing more important things than posting here.

Clemens in a douche.

Missed this post, but I agree with it 100%. I hate that arguement when it's used on anything. You hear it all the time too. "Cops busted that guy for dope, good thing there weren't any rapists or murderers on the loose." "Congress shouldn't be looking into *insert item here* because there is a war going on."

These arguements are just silly to me. Did the dope guy break the law? Yeah? STFU.

I'm not saying these hearings are right. (though I think the initial ones caused baseball to change their drug policy after Fehr (a bigtime douche) looked like a jack ass and we all found out the truth about Mark McGwire, so I don't think they are worthless either) I just think that arguement against them is stupid.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, that was actually pretty outstanding. The fascinating thing about this trainwreck is that either Clemens is telling the truth, or he's a douche on a level far beyond anything we've seen from Bonds or Canseco. I really can't see a middle ground here.

If he's honestly going to browbeat his former friend into abanoning his sick son to do jail time for him just to save his "legacy", then... well, just wow.

+1

[Anthony]

That's most retarded and assinine arguement I've heard in a while. Where the hell do you get off on the premise that Clemens is great because of steroids? I don't like the guy, but to hear every idiot in the media (and a bunch of the uninformed populace), they turn you from the 90-pound kid to a superstar - which is ridiculous. Go look at the studies and see how large the purported effect is - it simply isn't, no matter what some holier-than-thou person would have you believe.

Moreover, your analogy is... awful. A person taking steroids (themselves) is comparable to someone else shitting on your lawn? Seriously?

truly, you are a horrible and moronic human being.


so, the effect is minimal, so sayeth Crapshoot. ok, well, let's just call off this entire investigation. i guess the Mitchell Report was a waste of everyone's time. all this is much ado about nothing.

if this is what you think, i should stop right here.

Clemens made millions after 96, when all of baseball deemed him to be washed up. that means that if he was anyone else who decided not to go down the path of drugs and illegal substances to artificially extend his career, he woulda been out of baseball. but no, he took these substances, and proceeded to cash a check, a much heftier check than you will ever see in your life and the lives of your children, for the next 11 years. that's 11 years worth of lies and padded numbers that he parlayed into many millions of dollars.

put another way, cuz i know you need multiple examples to help you comprehend:

the two of us are rookies in 1986. we both go on to have stellar careers. but as Father Time loves to do, he deems it's time for the two of us to hang up the cleets, making our skills dimish as old age sets in. we both know we're done, and you call it a career after the phone doesn't ring for an entire offseason. you resort to taking up a job endorsing Massengill (http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100224&navAction=jump&navCount=0&skuid=sku303009&id=prod3009) or some anti-inflamatory cream and hit the autograph circuit with Pete Rose. i, on the other hand, resort to injecting myself with illegal substances, and lo and behold - i regain my strength and dominance and do this for the next decade. i'm good for another 3 or 4 contracts during this time. towards the end, i follow a steady routine of "retiring" and then starting my juicing routine around Opening Day. once the All Star break rolls around my agent puts the word out that i'm "interested in coming back, but only for a playoff contender", which is really code for "by this point there's no trace of the drugs in his system". i score very large prorated contracts during this time.

that's why this is a big deal.

[Lorena]

Stick a douche in him, he's done.

[SirFozzie]

wow, apparently Clemens has been browbeating McNamee to reject his story for a month now. He must know the ultimate douchebaggery techniques..

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3187302

NEW YORK -- A lawyer for Brian McNamee called on Congress to demand and make public the recording of a December interview between his client and two private investigators hired by Roger Clemens' attorneys.

A lawsuit filed Sunday by Clemens against his former trainer contains what appears to be an excerpt of the interview, which took place Dec. 12. That was one day before the release of the Mitchell report, in which McNamee accused Clemens of using steroids and human growth hormone.

"They should ask for the entire tape of the interview back in December. That's the tape they should ask for," Earl Ward, one of McNamee's lawyers, said Tuesday. "According to Brian, they tried to get him to recant. Brian said, look, what I told the [Mitchell and federal] investigators was the truth."

On Monday, McNamee's lawyers released faxes purportedly signed by Clemens and Andy Pettitte that stated investigators Jim Yarbrough and Billy Belk work for the law firm representing them. They asked that Clemens' attorneys voluntarily release the entire Dec. 12 recording.

Ward said the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, which has asked Clemens and McNamee to testify Jan. 16, should ask for the recording. If it isn't turned over, Ward said the committee should subpoena it.

"I think it would be important for Congress to show how consistent Brian has been," Ward said.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

This thread has "douche" written all over it.


It's douche-rific!

[BYU 14]

This thread could make a Hooker smell April fresh with all the douching going on.

[Blade6119]

Laying out a timeline of events, Hardin said on Monday that they did find out before the release of the Mitchell report that McNamee had made incriminating statements about Clemens. They decided not to respond, Hardin said, because it was not clear if the report would name names.

So you were ok with being incriminated as long as no one knew it was you. But as soon as your public image was tarnished, then you take the moral high ground? :rolleyes:

[SirFozzie]

So you were ok with being incriminated as long as no one knew it was you. But as soon as your public image was tarnished, then you take the moral high ground? :rolleyes:

A lawsuit filed Sunday by Clemens against his former trainer contains what appears to be an excerpt of the interview, which took place Dec. 12. That was one day before the release of the Mitchell report, in which McNamee accused Clemens of using steroids and human growth hormone.

"They should ask for the entire tape of the interview back in December. That's the tape they should ask for," Earl Ward, one of McNamee's lawyers, said Tuesday. "According to Brian, they tried to get him to recant. Brian said, look, what I told the [Mitchell and federal] investigators was the truth."


Wow.. so they tried to browbeat McNamee into recanting before the Mitchell report came out, but they didn't know that Clemens name was in there?

[KWhit]

It's always the cover-up that brings about a douche's downfall.

[MizzouRah]

With all the money Clemens has, I'm surprised he didn't just knock McNamee off. I mean there's 100's of baseball athletes who would be suspects.

[Flasch186]

you failed to douche today mizz.

[MizzouRah]

you failed to douche today mizz.

You are such a douche... no scratch that... a TOTAL DOUCHE!

[Flasch186]

update:


New details surface in Clemens case
January 20, 2008

NEW YORK (TICKER) -- New details have emerged from the ongoing saga between seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and his former trainer Brian McNamee.

The New York Daily News reported on its web site Sunday that McNamee met with one of Clemens' representatives in 2003 or 2004 to discuss the implications of Major League Baseball instituting steroids testing for the first time.

According to McNamee's attorney Earl Ward, McNamee met with Jim Murray for coffee not far from Clemens' apartment, where the former New York Yankees and Toronto Blue Jays trainer said he injected the 45-year-old Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone.

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The newspaper said that Murray works for Clemens' agents Randy and Alan Hendricks.

"The meeting coincided with baseball's announcement of testing," Ward told the Daily News. "Brian wanted to let them know Roger had some problems. They discussed steroid use, and this was as far back as 2003 or 2004, and Murray took notes."

According to Ward, McNamee was concerned that Clemens might still have steroids in his system in 2003, the first year of "survey" testing in which players who tested positive were supposed to be kept anonymous.

On January 4, Clemens' attorney Rusty Hardin secretly taped a conversation between McNamee and Clemens.

In the tape, McNamee is heard saying, "I did speak ... I told your guys, man. I told Murray. I told him his name ... I told Murray."

If true the new details would give credence to McNamee's claims that he injected Clemens with performance-enhancing drugs 16 times from 1998 to 2001.

McNamee told Senate Majority leader George Mitchell the details of Clemens' alleged steroid use for inclusion in the Mitchell Report, which was released on December 13.

Clemens has strongly denied the allegations that he used steroids and has filed a defamation lawsuit against McNamee. McNamee has filed a countersuit.

Last Sunday, Ward defended his client for asking for immunity to testify at the February 13 Congressional hearing on steroid use in baseball.

Hardin said his client has every intention of testifying at the hearing, which will be preceded by sworn depositions from Clemens and McNamee.

[larrymcg421]

Even if he was a douche who once had a home run bounce off his performance-enhanced noggin?

See, this proves that steroids aren't performance enhancing. They actually hurt douchebag Canseco, because his steroid sized noggin helped the ball bounce into the stands.

[Maple Leafs]

The McNamee is such a bastard. He was so obsessed with tarnishing Clemens' good name for no reason that he was laying the groundwork four years ago!