Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[MikeVic]

I watched the first episode last night and actually enjoyed it. They made some parallels to T2, which I liked. I initially watched because Summer Glau was in it, and I was not disappointed.

I'm just worried that it'll become repetitive.

[Lathum]

I have it taped but I heard it got poor reviews.

[Alan T]

I don't really remember much of the terminator story line, but I watched last night as well (it was after the game and there really isn't alot of other new shows on right now).. I didn't mind it and will tune in again.

[MikeVic]

It seemed to reference stuff from previous movies too. I haven't read any reviews, but like I said, at least the first episode was good in my opinion. :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I have it taped but I heard it got poor reviews.

I glanced at the reviews they had quoted over on Aint it Cool News. The reviews seemed pretty mixed, which isn't bad for this type of show.

I liked the first episode quite a bit. Decent action. Decent effects. As for the cast, I find Lena Headey delightful. She's easily the hottest actress ever to play a character named Gorgo. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for anyone from "Firefly", so Sumemr Glau gets a free pass. Both were good. The kid from "Heroes" who plays John Connor was also solid.

I will definitely keep watching.

[stevew]

We're just ignoring that T3 happened in this show, right? I watched the pilot several months back on some viewing site(legit). The one chick was smoking hot, i thought the show was pretty solid, but continuity will bother me quickly. I'm sure.

[FrogMan]

We're just ignoring that T3 happened in this show, right? I watched the pilot several months back on some viewing site(legit). The one chick was smoking hot, i thought the show was pretty solid, but continuity will bother me quickly. I'm sure.

The action is set right after T2, so yeah, before anything in T3.

We watched it too and I really liked it but as Mike said in the first post, I'm worried it might become repetitive.

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, and the wife and I both thought that the Heroes kid makes for a much brighter looking kid than the dude they picked for T3... :)

And that Summer young girl is delightful :)

FM

[Tasan]

I thought it was pretty good. They should have showed T2 before it or something though, because both me and my wife were having problems remembering it. I need to go back and watch the movie tonight now, so the episode will come together for me more.

[stevew]

Judgement day was in 2004, according to T3. I just don't know how the hell they can leap to 2007 and maintain any continuity.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I thought it was pretty good. They should have showed T2 before it or something though, because both me and my wife were having problems remembering it. I need to go back and watch the movie tonight now, so the episode will come together for me more.

T2 was running all weekend on one of thos Encore free movie channels on cable. I watched various bits and pieces of it. It still holds up pretty well after 15+ years or so. In my mind, it was the best film in terms of action sequences and special effects until "The Matrix" came around de-throned it in 1999. I am still waiting for something to top "The Matrix."

[Raiders Army]

I watched it for about 40 minutes before I got bored and turned it off. For some reason, I don't think that the action from two R rated movies is the same on regular TV. When the Terminator was shooting up the cops at the beginning of the show I thought it was too "sanitized".

[Honolulu_Blue]

Judgement day was in 2004, according to T3. I just don't know how the hell they can leap to 2007 and maintain any continuity.

Despite the fact that I liked "T3" more than most, I don't have a problem with them sort of ignoring it ever happened.

And, in any event, with all this time travelling ability going around, who knows? Maybe John Connor will go back in time at some point and everything will be set up for the T3 continuity thing...

[DaddyTorgo]

i gotta find the first part of it online. my fuckheaded family booted me off the tv (long story short we only have 1 working right now) right at the beginning of it.

[sachmo71]

i enjoyed it as well. not sure how it will hold up over the long run, but i don't feel like i wasted my time.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Judgement day was in 2004, according to T3. I just don't know how the hell they can leap to 2007 and maintain any continuity.
As far as I can tell, this show pretends that T3 never happened. It picks up from T2, to the point of a visit to Dyson's family.

The continuity here puts Judgement Day in 2011. This time, the protector Terminator doesn't know who built Skynet.

[MikeVic]

As far as I can tell, this show pretends that T3 never happened. It picks up from T2, to the point of a visit to Dyson's family.

The continuity here puts Judgement Day in 2011. This time, the protector Terminator doesn't know who built Skynet.

I thought it was after the T2 movie. So they visited Dyson's family, destroyed all of the stuff, Dyson died, etc. And that's why Sarah is surprised that Skynet is still around?

[Mustang]

As far as I can tell, this show pretends that T3 never happened.

I like to do the same thing.


As for watching T2, just wait a few hours and it will be on some channel. (I think Lifetime even shows it)

[MikeVic]

I actually watched the DVD of T2 right after the show. :D

[FrogMan]

I actually watched the DVD of T2 right after the show. :D

I bought the "T2 extreme" DVD of the movie over the holiday break and we watched it over the weekend. I highly recommend that version of the movie. It's a sort of extended version with added scenes in there that mostly involve the liquid metal terminator more and some are pretty cool...

FM

[Honolulu_Blue]

I bought the "T2 extreme" DVD of the movie over the holiday break and we watched it over the weekend. I highly recommend that version of the movie. It's a sort of extended version with added scenes in there that mostly involve the liquid metal terminator more and some are pretty cool...

FM

Does it include that dream sequence with Reese?

[Kodos]

I enjoyed it too. My main problem was that they directly lifted too many scenes from T2. I felt like they somewhat crossed the line between paying homage to one of my favorite movies and simple plagiarism. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it, and will definitely keep watching.

Forgetting T3 is not a bad idea at all. If I could eternal sunshine erase T3 and the Star Wars prequels, that would be fantastic. Oh, and Caddyshack 2 as well.

[Anthony]

i watched with my friends. when they were in the vault and John asks "how are we gonna get out of here?" and the female Terminator shows him this machine looking thing, i shouted out "i will never watch this show again if that thing turns out to be a time machine....in a bank". sure enough, 5 seconds later she says its a time machine and that was the end of my minimal interest in this bad show. the only that made it even worse is when they sho up naked in the future and i said "if this was HBO or Showtime we'd be seeing those two chicks naked right now, but no, it's on FOX 5".

horrible show. they got the female Terminator character all wrong. too much emotion for a robot, especially when she first appears in the show. but she's a terrible actress. if they wanted a terrible actress but someone who was hot they could've went with so many other girls, maybe even Mischa Barton. that girl isn't that pretty to make up for her bad acting.

[Kodos]

I'd vote Hot for Sarah Connor and the girl terminator.

[Mustang]

Forgetting T3 is not a bad idea at all. If I could eternal sunshine erase T3 and the Star Wars prequels, that would be fantastic. Oh, and Caddyshack 2 as well.

Highlander 2 is the ultimate Eternal Sunshine needed wipe movie for me.


The only way Terminators should be hot is if their skin is burned off by an exploding fuel truck. You just know they are going to turn this into some type of love story.

[gottimd]

As far as I can tell, this show pretends that T3 never happened. It picks up from T2, to the point of a visit to Dyson's family.

The continuity here puts Judgement Day in 2011. This time, the protector Terminator doesn't know who built Skynet.

Isn't there a T4 coming out in the near future (2009/2010), beginning some time after T3, starring Christian Bale as John Conner?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/

[Kodos]

I believe that is correct.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Isn't there a T4 coming out in the near future (2009/2010), beginning some time after T3, starring Christian Bale as John Conner?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/

Yes. It's taking place post-apocalypse and will deal with the human vs. Skynet struggle. I am sure whether T3 "happened" or not wont be an issue.

[MikeVic]

I don't remember T1 much, and haven't seen T3. But I don't think they've ever explored the robots falling in love or anything like that right? The closest thing would be in T2 when they switch Arnold to have both read/write capabilities, and he kind of ends up caring for John.

In the episode, John said something like "you're different, what kind of model are you?" And all she says is "yes, I'm different."

Maybe she was a specially-made model by future John to go back in time and have a baby with John eventually. haha. I also wonder if the 2007 version Sarah and John exist at the same time as these 1999 versions.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I enjoyed it too. My main problem was that they directly lifted too many scenes from T2. I felt like they somewhat crossed the line between paying homage to one of my favorite movies and simple plagiarism. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it, and will definitely keep watching.

Funny thing is that T2 is pretty much directly lifted scene-for-scene from Terminator. The parallels between those movies are impressive, right down to the final showdown inside a factory.


Forgetting T3 is not a bad idea at all. If I could eternal sunshine erase T3 and the Star Wars prequels, that would be fantastic. Oh, and Caddyshack 2 as well.

Defintiely the Star Wars prequels and I agree with Mustang on Highlander 2. That still stands as the "worst movie I have ever seen in a theater." God it was awful.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I don't remember T1 much, and haven't seen T3. But I don't think they've ever explored the robots falling in love or anything like that right? The closest thing would be in T2 when they switch Arnold to have both read/write capabilities, and he kind of ends up caring for John.

In the episode, John said something like "you're different, what kind of model are you?" And all she says is "yes, I'm different."

That was my take on that line as well. She's been programed to be a little more "human" than the previous models. Old John Connor probably knew young John Connor could use the confidence boost.

Hell, if I had to send a robot back in time to protect me I'd certainly take the Summer Glau model over the Arnold models. Easier on the eyes and all...

[Mr. Wednesday]

I thought it was after the T2 movie. So they visited Dyson's family, destroyed all of the stuff, Dyson died, etc. And that's why Sarah is surprised that Skynet is still around?

In T2, Judgement Day was going to be in 1997. Sarah, John, T-Ahnold, and Dyson destroyed Cyberdyne, the artifacts from 1984, and the terminators from T2.

In addition to Judgement Day itself, T-Ahnold had related the history up to then, which involved Cyberdyne producing AI and the AI being put in charge of the U.S. armed forces.

For the series, it starts several years later in 1997, and Sarah would presumably already know that none of the "checkpoints" have happened (in fact, the date of Judgement Day might have passed), so I imagine she thought that Judgement Day had been prevented altogether. Hence her surprise at finding out that Skynet still arose, and her query as to where it came from.

I thought the continuity from T2 seems pretty solid aside from some iffy-ness regarding ages... I'm not sure if John is old enough and I don't think Dyson's kids are old enough.

[Raiders Army]

i watched with my friends. when they were in the vault and John asks "how are we gonna get out of here?" and the female Terminator shows him this machine looking thing, i shouted out "i will never watch this show again if that thing turns out to be a time machine....in a bank". sure enough, 5 seconds later she says its a time machine and that was the end of my minimal interest in this bad show. the only that made it even worse is when they sho up naked in the future and i said "if this was HBO or Showtime we'd be seeing those two chicks naked right now, but no, it's on FOX 5".

horrible show. they got the female Terminator character all wrong. too much emotion for a robot, especially when she first appears in the show. but she's a terrible actress. if they wanted a terrible actress but someone who was hot they could've went with so many other girls, maybe even Mischa Barton. that girl isn't that pretty to make up for her bad acting.

I'm with ya man. I don't know why SkyNet sent an older Terminator model to attack John Connor when they just sent the liquid one. Also, if you can send an unlimited number of Terminators back to the past, why are you going to send one at a time?

[gottimd]

If they could travel back in time, why not just go back to the factory in the original terminator and grab the crushed T1 that eventually is used by Miles Dyson to reverse engineer and eventually develop Skynet?

[gottimd]

I'm with ya man. I don't know why SkyNet sent an older Terminator model to attack John Connor when they just sent the liquid one. Also, if you can send an unlimited number of Terminators back to the past, why are you going to send one at a time?

Why not just send one back when Sarah Conner is born and kill her then? I thought Skynet was smart, why is it waiting so long in either of the Connors' lives to kill them?

[Raiders Army]

Yeah, this whole time travel thing should be left to the experts, like Dr. Brown.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, the only thing I was looking forward to was Jesus Christ...I mean John Connor meeting Reese in school and having him say "Your mom is fucking hot!"

[IMetTrentGreen]

This show would be watchable is they found even on good actor. Everyone is fucking brutal and I don't think I can stand it, as much as I like the Terminator series.

[Cork]

I really enjoyed both episodes and am definately going to continue watching.

-Cork

[Honolulu_Blue]

I really enjoyed both episodes and am definately going to continue watching.

-Cork

Agreed.

I like the fact that they are tying in things from the first two movies so well, like Enrique and such.

Show's got promise. Though John Connor sneaking into that guy's house was bordering on Kim Bauer levels of stupidity.

[MikeVic]

Agreed.

I like the fact that they are tying in things from the first two movies so well, like Enrique and such.

Show's got promise. Though John Connor sneaking into that guy's house was bordering on Kim Bauer levels of stupidity.

Yeah same, it's still got my attention. I like tying into movie stuff as well. John Connor better not continue to be such an idiot. Although in T2, he did "stupid" things to save his mom. Maybe they're trying to play into that.

It seems like the black FBI guy will be on their asses all season.

[MikeVic]

This show would be watchable is they found even on good actor. Everyone is fucking brutal and I don't think I can stand it, as much as I like the Terminator series.

I don't understand? I think the female terminator is doing well as a robot with some human aspects, and none of the other actors/actresses stick out as being bad to me.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I don't understand? I think the female terminator is doing well as a robot with some human aspects, and none of the other actors/actresses stick out as being bad to me.

I agree. I thought the acting was fine. Perhaps Lena Headey isn't a good actress, but I can't tell as I am constantly distracted by her hotness.

[Galaril]

I agree. I thought the acting was fine. Perhaps Lena Headey isn't a good actress, but I can't tell as I am constantly distracted by her hotness.

What is the it about Lena that evryone thinks she is so hot? I am not seeing. Is it a middle aged guy thing or something?

[Honolulu_Blue]

What is the it about Lena that evryone thinks she is so hot? I am not seeing. Is it a middle aged guy thing or something?

Uh... I don't know. What makes a girl hot? Great body, attractive face, nice, delicate bone structure, great eyes, full lips, wonderful hair, great screen presence... Take your pick. She's hot.

[RendeR]

I'm 39 and frankly, unimpressed.

Summer's whole personality and quirks of emotion for a macihne make sense when you tihnk about one line from the first episode:

She gets asked how long/when she got there and says "1963"

She's had time to aquire knowledge of how a female should act and react in public.

yeah its a stretch but I'm buying it for now.

Was NOT a fan of the time machine either, but the first episode is really just a setup for the whole show and they gotta get them into the plotline somehow.

I need to get a DVR, hopefully my idiot brother in law will get his free cable set up soon so I can get the DVR he has upstairs down in my livingroom.

Long story, and I am NOT going to tell it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't think Cameron said that she had been there since 1963, only that the material in the safe deposit boxes had been there since 1963. So far, it's been clearly established that there's a large shadow war going on in the "present day", and she has substantial knowledge of the resources available to the "resistance" side of that shadow war.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I don't think Cameron said that she had been there since 1963, only that the material in the safe deposit boxes had been there since 1963. So far, it's been clearly established that there's a large shadow war going on in the "present day", and she has substantial knowledge of the resources available to the "resistance" side of that shadow war.

That was my understanding as well.

See, despite what RendeR says, he too was so smitten with Lena Headey that he couldn't pay proper attention to details. And he didn't even know it... :)

[gottimd]

I don't think Cameron said that she had been there since 1963, only that the material in the safe deposit boxes had been there since 1963. So far, it's been clearly established that there's a large shadow war going on in the "present day", and she has substantial knowledge of the resources available to the "resistance" side of that shadow war.

So apparently they have sent back more people, to do what? If they aren't protecting John, why send back resistance fighters to fight something that hasn't even started? I could see if their mission was to destroy Skynet, but then why wouldn't the Female terminator tell them "Don't worry about Skynet now, John has sent back some resistance fighters to uncover and destroy it already."

And if they can send back all of these people, why the hell not send back a ton of terminators to protect John instead of just one? I guess the more terminators sent back into the past, it creates a better chance of a piece of them being left behind and someone using it to develop Skynet, like a never ending circle or paradox.

[gstelmack]

A shadow war? :rolleyes:

The original had the nice plotline of a defense computer gone mad. Perfect. Wrecking a perfectly good story with a background shadow war and a resistance and junk is just as egregious as making a sequel (of any type or quality) to Highlander...

[MikeVic]

Have you watched? There's still all the computers thinking for themselves stuff in it. It's just that both sides in the future are sending back resources to help give advantages to the future... at least that's how I see it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

So apparently they have sent back more people, to do what?

Protect John and destroy Skynet.

If they aren't protecting John, why send back resistance fighters to fight something that hasn't even started?

See above.

I could see if their mission was to destroy Skynet, but then why wouldn't the Female terminator tell them "Don't worry about Skynet now, John has sent back some resistance fighters to uncover and destroy it already."

Because Sarah Connor is the best fighter John has ever known. If someone can take down Skynet, it'll be her (and her hottness ;) ).


And if they can send back all of these people, why the hell not send back a ton of terminators to protect John instead of just one? I guess the more terminators sent back into the past, it creates a better chance of a piece of them being left behind and someone using it to develop Skynet, like a never ending circle or paradox.

Yes. And Terminators are expensive! Sure, Skynet can keep pumping them out, but maybe it's hard to capture one in good enough shape for re-programing and maybe the re-programing is incredibly difficult.


Any show that involves time travel is going to suffer from a lot of "If they can do X, why don't they just do Y?" A lot of things just wont make sense. At some point you have to make your mind and say "Well, yeah, a lot of this doesn't make sense, but it's a TV show, and for the sake of making things interesting something may seem a bit odd. I'll just sit back and enjoy it."

It's sort of like the whole thing with the eagles in LOTR. If Gandalf could summon the eagles whenever he was in a bit of a jam, why not just bring them in early, throw the Fellowship on a few of their backs, fly 'em to Mount Doom, toss the ring in, and be done with it. Probably make for a better plan, but a lot less interesting of a story.

[Honolulu_Blue]

A shadow war? :rolleyes:

The original had the nice plotline of a defense computer gone mad. Perfect. Wrecking a perfectly good story with a background shadow war and a resistance and junk is just as egregious as making a sequel (of any type or quality) to Highlander...

Uh, no.

The plotline of "a defense computer gone mad" is still firmly entrenched.

It's not like changing immortals to aliens from the planet Zeist or something like that....

[Honolulu_Blue]

Have you watched? There's still all the computers thinking for themselves stuff in it. It's just that both sides in the future are sending back resources to help give advantages to the future... at least that's how I see it.

Correct.

[gottimd]

Protect John and destroy Skynet.



See above.



Because Sarah Connor is the best fighter John has ever known. If someone can take down Skynet, it'll be her (and her hottness ;) ).



Yes. And Terminators are expensive! Sure, Skynet can keep pumping them out, but maybe it's hard to capture one in good enough shape for re-programing and maybe the re-programing is incredibly difficult.


Any show that involves time travel is going to suffer from a lot of "If they can do X, why don't they just do Y?" A lot of things just wont make sense. At some point you have to make your mind and say "Well, yeah, a lot of this doesn't make sense, but it's a TV show, and for the sake of making things interesting something may seem a bit odd. I'll just sit back and enjoy it."

It's sort of like the whole thing with the eagles in LOTR. If Gandalf could summon the eagles whenever he was in a bit of a jam, why not just bring them in early, throw the Fellowship on a few of their backs, fly 'em to Mount Doom, toss the ring in, and be done with it. Probably make for a better plan, but a lot less interesting of a story.

Gotcha, but I still gotta raise the questions just because as I am watching the show, I can't help but think exactly the way you state above: "If they can do X, why don't they just do Y?" I'll have to make a mental note to ease up on the logic when watching a time travel show.

About LOTR, didn't Sauron have dragons? They would've dispatched of the Eagles, wouldn't they? Maybe you are referring to the Philadelphia Eagles? :D
Anyways, now I am going way off topic....

One last question, why is the best fighter tagged with bringing down skynet? Its not even a fully operational (aka death star) yet. It would take a meddling 5 year old to destroy it, not the best fighter. Man, for the leader of man kind in the future, he sure as hell needs a lesson in using his resources more efficiently.

[gottimd]

Anyone else find it ironic in these Man vs. Machine movies in the future where we are at war with some sort of AI (Matrix, Terminator, etc), humans are still seen and shown as being heavily reliant on computers, even though that is essentially who they are fighting?

I guess we still need them even though we are waging war against them.

[MikeVic]

Yeah, but same can be said for machines in Matrix at least. They need us as batteries, but are fighting a war against us.

[SirFozzie]

Not good, without football as a lead in it dropped to a 4.2 rating. I'd be really nervous if the ratings dropped any further (if there was any other shows to take their place)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Gotcha, but I still gotta raise the questions just because as I am watching the show, I can't help but think exactly the way you state above: "If they can do X, why don't they just do Y?" I'll have to make a mental note to ease up on the logic when watching a time travel show.

I agree. I much prefer shows, especially sci-fi and fantasy ones, that remain internally. Once the "rules" of the world are set, I think everything should be within those rules. I try to give creators/writers the benefit of the doubt, but it doesn't always work.

For Time Travel stuff I think it's insanely hard. Just too many loopholes.

Gotcha, but I still gotta raise the questions just because as I am watching the show, I can't help but think exactly the way you state above: "If they can do X, why don't they just do Y?" I'll have to make a mental note to ease up on the logic when watching a time travel show.

About LOTR, didn't Sauron have dragons? They would've dispatched of the Eagles, wouldn't they? Maybe you are referring to the Philadelphia Eagles? :D
Anyways, now I am going way off topic....

Sauron didn't get dragons until after the whole Rivendell thing. Besides, the eagles completely pwned those dragons when they fought. It wasn't even close.

That said, the Philadelphia Eagles might have been a huge asset, especially if we're talking the Reggie White, Randal Cunningham, Buddy Ryan Eagles.


One last question, why is the best fighter tagged with bringing down skynet? Its not even a fully operational (aka death star) yet. It would take a meddling 5 year old to destroy it, not the best fighter. Man, for the leader of man kind in the future, he sure as hell needs a lesson in using his resources more efficiently.

You saw how hard it was to take out that "not even fully operational" Death Star! (It's a trap!!!) Clearly, John learned from Admiral Akbar's mistake and decided to take no chances with his assault on the "not even fully operational skynet."

[gottimd]

Sauron didn't get dragons until after the whole Rivendell thing. Besides, the eagles completely pwned those dragons when they fought. It wasn't even close.
Yes, but wasn't the point to have one of the hobbits on their back as they flew. I'm sure the dragon could've knocked them off the Eagles back pretty easily.


You saw how hard it was to take out that "not even fully operational" Death Star! (It's a trap!!!) Clearly, John learned from Admiral Akbar's mistake and decided to take no chances with his assault on the "not even fully operational skynet."
Maybe since John is in the future, at that point he knows the power of the darkside and thus is planning around it. Maybe its Johns apprentice making all of the decisions?

Speaking of Admiral Akbar, I was a bit disappointed they didn't decide to spawn off a sitcom featuring the Family Akbar.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yes, but wasn't the point to have one of the hobbits on their back as they flew. I'm sure the dragon could've knocked them off the Eagles back pretty easily.

That's why you have an advance group of eagles fly in first to take care of the dragons, while your passenger eagles slip by and land safely and soundly on Mount Doom.


Maybe since John is in the future, at that point he knows the power of the darkside and thus is planning around it. Maybe its Johns apprentice making all of the decisions?

:eek:


Speaking of Admiral Akbar, I was a bit disappointed they didn't decide to spawn off a sitcom featuring the Family Akbar.

That would have been sweet. At one point in every episode someone in the family would yell "It's a trap!" It'd be as classic as Arnold Drummond's "Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?"

[Honolulu_Blue]

Not good, without football as a lead in it dropped to a 4.2 rating. I'd be really nervous if the ratings dropped any further (if there was any other shows to take their place)

Disappointing, but not at all surprising.

[gottimd]

That's why you have an advance group of eagles fly in first to take care of the dragons, while your passenger eagles slip by and land safely and soundly on Mount Doom.


And thats why you anticipate that move and send in the first wave to handle the decoy wave. Then when they think all is clear and they send in the Hobbit riding Eagles (not led by Randal Cunningham), you send in the second wave of dragons.

[Honolulu_Blue]

And thats why you anticipate that move and send in the first wave to handle the decoy wave. Then when they think all is clear and they send in the Hobbit riding Eagles (not led by Randal Cunningham), you send in the second wave of dragons.

The dude only had nine dragons... Everyone knows that.

[gottimd]

The dude only had nine dragons... Everyone knows that.

Decoys.....like catapult a bunch of Dragons built out of clay into the sky.

"Good Lord, our intelligence officers were completely wrong, they don't have 9 Dragons, they have 900 of them!!!!"

[Honolulu_Blue]

Decoys.....like catapult a bunch of Dragons built out of clay into the sky.

"Good Lord, our intelligence officers were completely wrong, they don't have 9 Dragons, they have 900 of them!!!!"

Clearly, you are not taking this discussion seriously.

I say good day to you, sir.

:D

[gottimd]

Surely you can't be serious?

Was it the comment about the Clay? I'll edit it to be Paper mache.

[jeff061]

Summer Glau is extremely attractive. That is all.

[thealmighty]

Decoys.....like catapult a bunch of Dragons

Frodo, "Run away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Warhammer]

Uh... I really hope people were joking about the LotR and the dragons. Don't make me whip out my LotR hat of Geekiness +3 and quote from the good book!

[JPhillips]

The Heisenberg reference as a member of the Manhattan Project was a pretty big screw-up.

[MikeVic]

I like where the show is going so far. At least we know what the next few weeks will be doing...

[Honolulu_Blue]

I liked the episode well enough. I think the dialogue is pretty snappy actually. I liked the Sarah-Andy exchanges as well as the FBI guy/Cop girl exchanges. Pretty good stuff.

I am not thrilled with the whole skin regeneration thing, but, oh well...

It's also a bit inconsistent that Cameron all of a sudden has no idea how to "act" as a teenager, where she previously was apparently "undercover" as a teenager for some period of time waiting for John. She seemed very "normal" when she first met John in highschool, nothing like she's acting now. Maybe it was just part of a program or something. It's not horrible, just inconsistent.

[Cork]

I liked the episode well enough. I think the dialogue is pretty snappy actually. I liked the Sarah-Andy exchanges as well as the FBI guy/Cop girl exchanges. Pretty good stuff.

I am not thrilled with the whole skin regeneration thing, but, oh well...

It's also a bit inconsistent that Cameron all of a sudden has no idea how to "act" as a teenager, where she previously was apparently "undercover" as a teenager for some period of time waiting for John. She seemed very "normal" when she first met John in highschool, nothing like she's acting now. Maybe it was just part of a program or something. It's not horrible, just inconsistent.

I picked up on that as well while watching last nights episode. It's like she has regressed and doesn't know how to act very human.

-Cork

[Anthony]

orrrr, she's simply not a good actress

[jeff061]

orrrr, she's simply not a good actress

Irrelevant.

[Tim Tellean]

But she's hot so all is forgiven :)

[MJ4H]

[ ] Exciting action
[ ] Great writing
[ ] Awesome special effects
[X] Hot chick
[X] Will watch regularly

[jeff061]

Sums up my feelings.

[MikeVic]

She looked nice in her quick bra-and-panties shot, and wearing that outfit to school.

[gottimd]

She looked nice in her quick bra-and-panties shot, and wearing that outfit to school.
Of course, the episode I miss:mad:

[rowech]

The robot girl is reminding me of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSvjqwJixw

[MikeVic]

The robot girl is reminding me of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSvjqwJixw

OH NO.

[cthomer5000]

orrrr, she's simply not a good actress

I have no idea how you would come to that conclusion when it's clearly the writing that is the problem with this specific issue. The character (not the actress) is expressing fundamentally less understanding about how to fit in at high school than she did in an episode just 1 week prior.

Summer Glau was good enough througout all of Firefly and is asked to do basically the same thing in this series.. if there is a weak link in this show, it's not going to be her acting.

When they screwed up the T2 to Sarah Conner Chronicles timeline within 10 minutes of the first episode, writing red flags were already up. To me this show is just looking completely unsustainable. I want to like it, I thought Terminator 3 was surprisingly entertaining, but more likely I see myself hitting the eject button on this one any week now.

[Galaril]

Uh... I don't know. What makes a girl hot? Great body, attractive face, nice, delicate bone structure, great eyes, full lips, wonderful hair, great screen presence... Take your pick. She's hot.

I guess at 32 I'm now middle-aged but I too think she's pretty hot.

I just don't see it. Great body Tall and lanky but ok. To me she looks like she is in her 40s.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think the reason she's supposed to have trouble fitting in is because she's learned how to act in a rural HS, not an urban setting.

[Mr. Wednesday]

When they screwed up the T2 to Sarah Conner Chronicles timeline within 10 minutes of the first episode, writing red flags were already up.

What did they screw up? I haven't noticed anything, and I watched T2 around the first episode.

[DaddyTorgo]

Of course, the episode I miss:mad:

the episodes are online. foxnetworks.com

[stevew]

Is some of the talk about Glau's character changing from week to week related to the first episode vs the 2nd? If that's the case, it's merely the difference between a Pilot and a regular episode. The pilot was good enough to pick up, but they probably broke it down with some of the execs and they decided that she needed to be a little bit more out there. Pilots and regular episodes may be shot months apart. And I think that the pilot was originally 2 hours, but they may have broke it up for showing?


And I really really enjoy this show, despite it's flaws. Which, of course, means that it has no chance to see season two. I think it'll be too expensive for a cable network to pick up as well.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Is some of the talk about Glau's character changing from week to week related to the first episode vs the 2nd? If that's the case, it's merely the difference between a Pilot and a regular episode. The pilot was good enough to pick up, but they probably broke it down with some of the execs and they decided that she needed to be a little bit more out there. Pilots and regular episodes may be shot months apart. And I think that the pilot was originally 2 hours, but they may have broke it up for showing?


And I really really enjoy this show, despite it's flaws. Which, of course, means that it has no chance to see season two. I think it'll be too expensive for a cable network to pick up as well.

I'd buy that. Show's often take a season to really find their groove and hone the characters. A little discrepancy between the pilot and regular episodes - which are typically shot much later and after some feedback from various sources - isn't much to fret over.

I continue to enjoy the show as well.

I have no idea how it's doing, but I agree a second season is seeming unlikely, which is a shame.

[rkmsuf]

Maybe someone answered this already but in the orginal Terminator movies, why did the machines only send back one machine to get the leader of the resistance? Wouldn't they send like 10 of them to make sure it goes right?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Maybe someone answered this already but in the orginal Terminator movies, why did the machines only send back one machine to get the leader of the resistance? Wouldn't they send like 10 of them to make sure it goes right?

There are multiple machines at the moment. I assume that sending things back in time is difficult to do and there are other limits. Or maybe they do send 10 machines back, but only one makes it and the rest are lost in time and space forever...

Oh, and, what this handsome fella said:


Any show that involves time travel is going to suffer from a lot of "If they can do X, why don't they just do Y?" A lot of things just wont make sense. At some point you have to make your mind and say "Well, yeah, a lot of this doesn't make sense, but it's a TV show, and for the sake of making things interesting something may seem a bit odd. I'll just sit back and enjoy it."

[MikeVic]

I rally love how they tie it all in with the first two movies! That was the first "oh man!!" moment on TV for me in awhile (revealing who Brian Austin Green is).

[rkmsuf]

Brian Austin Green is in it?

Must watch TV!

[Honolulu_Blue]

I rally love how they tie it all in with the first two movies! That was the first "oh man!!" moment on TV for me in awhile (revealing who Brian Austin Green is).

Huh, I'd no idea this guy was in so much before. I just kept thinking of him as "that Sean Avery looking guy."

[gottimd]

Brian Austin Green is in it?

Must watch TV!

I thought he was running from the scene of a gunshot murder because it reminded him of Scotts death.

[rkmsuf]

I thought he was running from the scene of a gunshot murder because it reminded him of Scotts death.

Please let him rap.

[gottimd]

Please let him rap.

Obviously you didn't watch next weeks episode previews, he raps, kills a terminator that looks like Nat from the peach pit, and goes to Johns high school and starts protesting that Donna Martin graduates.

[Anthony]

maybe if they sent like 10 machiens back in time they'd run the risk of drastically altering the future. perhaps 1 machine - 1 virtually indestrucable machine - was best in order to complete the mission and leave with the future intact. maybe 10 machines would complete the mission, but by some other action then accidentally trigger a different timeline.

if you want to kill an ant, a magnifying glass will do. no need for a grenade. using a grenade will definitely kill the ant, but it might also have other unintended repurcussions.

[rkmsuf]

maybe if they sent like 10 machiens back in time they'd run the risk of drastically altering the future. perhaps 1 machine - 1 virtually indestrucable machine - was best in order to complete the mission and leave with the future intact. maybe 10 machines would complete the mission, but by some other action then accidentally trigger a different timeline.

if you want to kill an ant, a magnifying glass will do. no need for a grenade. using a grenade will definitely kill the ant, but it might also have other unintended repurcussions.

Well how'd that work out for the machines?

You'd think that say their 2nd attempt would feature more than one machine.

[MikeVic]

Yes BAG is in this now. I like how their group is slowly expanding. Seems like that paramedic ex is helping them now too.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yes BAG is in this now. I like how their group is slowly expanding. Seems like that paramedic ex is helping them now too.

I like it too. It was obvious that O'Reily would hook back up with the team. I liked how they handled that.

I really like the FBI guy. He's always entertaining.

[BrianD]

I finally caught up on the first four episodes last night, and the show seems pretty decent. Some of the initial inconsistencies that most people have mentioned already do seem a little bothersome, but I think things will even out once the show gets rolling. The shadow war is an interesting addition and is really the only way this story can exist in a TV format. Having John running away from Terminators every week would get pretty stale.

Some day I'd love to see Summer Glau get a chance to act like a real person. I'd be interested to see if she can do it.

[DaddyTorgo]

the FBI guy is supposed to get involved with them eventually too, right? i mean like..."join" them or whatever...

i liked the scene with BAG in the jail last night. thought that was pretty "oh man!" cool. And liked his whole "I got a T-triple-8 after me...get out of here now!" thing

[gottimd]

the FBI guy is supposed to get involved with them eventually too, right? i mean like..."join" them or whatever...

You mean romantically?

[stevew]

from the producer/writers blog.
http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Producer's+Blog?t=anon

Please be assured that I am VERY familiar with the rules of time travel as explained by Kyle Reese in the first movie. When Cromartie’s head goes through the time bubble, THERE IS FLESH ON IT. If you can’t see it, that’s because a) it’s burning off very quickly and b) certain people don’t like it when we show burning flesh, cyborg or not.

(Historical note: The first person to ask me this head/bubble question was Jared in Props--a year ago while we were shooting the pilot.)

[rkmsuf]

Well I'm glad he's familiar with the rules of time travel.

[gottimd]

I don't understand why the terminators, being machines and all, just don't build a delorean and go 88 MPH?

[MikeVic]

I don't understand why the terminators, being machines and all, just don't build a delorean and go 88 MPH?

You clearly don't understand the rules of time travel.

[gottimd]

Goin....Back....in....time.....(insert saxophone)

[DaddyTorgo]

You mean romantically?


no i mean "in ass-kickery"

[gottimd]

no i mean "in ass-kickery"
What about in ass-hattery?

[DaddyTorgo]

betcha the real FBI-guy finds out the Terminator (why does it have a human name?) has assumed his identity at some point and confronts him and almost dies and Sarah and the chick-terminator save his ass.

[Honolulu_Blue]

betcha the real FBI-guy finds out the Terminator (why does it have a human name?) has assumed his identity at some point and confronts him and almost dies and Sarah and the chick-terminator save his ass.

Why does the terminator have a human name? I don't think he does. His "mo" appears to be (1) assume a human identity, (2) try to kill John Connor.

I think he used the name "Mr. Cromartie" in that first scene and Cameron (also assuming a human identity) picked up on that and referred to him as that.

I suppose it's also easier than saying "That T-triple 8 who travelled with us from the past and pretended to be that teacher and kill John" every time they try to talk about him.

[MikeVic]

betcha the real FBI-guy finds out the Terminator (why does it have a human name?) has assumed his identity at some point and confronts him and almost dies and Sarah and the chick-terminator save his ass.

what do you mean a human name? The identity it stole? This is the T-888 right?

[MikeVic]

Oh yeah, one line I actually laughed at from last night...

"I call shotgun. I call 9mm." :D

[DaddyTorgo]

Why does the terminator have a human name? I don't think he does. His "mo" appears to be (1) assume a human identity, (2) try to kill John Connor.

I think he used the name "Mr. Cromartie" in that first scene and Cameron (also assuming a human identity) picked up on that and referred to him as that.

I suppose it's also easier than saying "That T-triple 8 who travelled with us from the past and pretended to be that teacher and kill John" every time they try to talk about him.

okay that makes sense.

[rjolley]

Oh yeah, one line I actually laughed at from last night...

"I call shotgun. I call 9mm." :D

I laughed the first time I heard it on the previews. After 20 times, the humor is lost.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Maybe someone answered this already but in the orginal Terminator movies, why did the machines only send back one machine to get the leader of the resistance? Wouldn't they send like 10 of them to make sure it goes right?
If I remember discussions right, originally, they only sent one because they were about to lose the war, it was a sort of a desperation thing where they didn't have time to send more.

Since then, I don't think it's been justified. It never came up in T2 (nor did the question of how something that was "liquid metal" could go through, but I digress).

[MikeVic]

I like the flashback (flashforward?) to BAG first being time-travelled.

[stevew]

i will miss this show when it is prematurely cancelled.

[DaddyTorgo]

I like the flashback (flashforward?) to BAG first being time-travelled.

ditto. The future scenes were neat. I wanna know what was in that room.

[MikeVic]

i will miss this show when it is prematurely cancelled.

I know, I'm guessing the same thing too. :( With the amount of commercial tie this gets, I'm guessing Fox wants it to be some #1 ratings show.

[MikeVic]

ditto. The future scenes were neat. I wanna know what was in that room.

Yeah I thought it was going to be Summer Glau doing stuff but she was already with them at that point. I don't get why he's so freaked out by her. She saved his life. All she really said was "some of them go bad, we don't know why."

I wonder why she took that brain cell thing too.

So Kyle Reese didn't die in the factory thing, right? I guess he was time-travelled there and then died in the past in T1?

[FrogMan]

I wonder why she took that brain cell thing too.


at first, the way my wife and I thought it, we thought she was grieving. Remember they terminated that T-888 right after that kid jumped off the building and there had been some talks about grieving and writing a note and all. Now, what she wants to ultimately do with that brain cell, I have no idea...

FM

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yeah I thought it was going to be Summer Glau doing stuff but she was already with them at that point. I don't get why he's so freaked out by her. She saved his life. All she really said was "some of them go bad, we don't know why."

I wonder why she took that brain cell thing too.

So Kyle Reese didn't die in the factory thing, right? I guess he was time-travelled there and then died in the past in T1?

Right. I think that "factory thing" was actually the time travelling device. Connor, Kyle Reese, and others fought their way in. Kyle and Connor made it inside, Kyle was sent back in time, Connor came out.

Why this was considered such a big secret, I don't know.

[cthomer5000]

i will miss this show when it is prematurely cancelled.

I'm a huge fan of the films (I even found the 3rd one surprisingly entertaining). I've watched all of the episodes so far.

Still, i would say I could stop watching this show right now and not really care what happens. Even blowing through commercials on the DVR, this show is barely holding my interest.

And I thought this past episode was the weakest yet, though I've talked to a fair number of people who seemed to like it most.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah I thought it was going to be Summer Glau doing stuff but she was already with them at that point. I don't get why he's so freaked out by her. She saved his life. All she really said was "some of them go bad, we don't know why."

I wonder why she took that brain cell thing too.

So Kyle Reese didn't die in the factory thing, right? I guess he was time-travelled there and then died in the past in T1?

he's freaked out by her because i suspect we'll find out more at some point from a future-flash that she plays a role in something eventually (maybe he suspects her in the death of someone he loves or something like that).

as for why she took the brain cell thing - nothing good can come from that, and i suspect BAG knows that from the future.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm a huge fan of the films (I even found the 3rd one surprisingly entertaining). I've watched all of the episodes so far.

Still, i would say I could stop watching this show right now and not really care what happens. Even blowing through commercials on the DVR, this show is barely holding my interest.

And I thought this past episode was the weakest yet, though I've talked to a fair number of people who seemed to like it most.

+1

I will keep watching it because I like a lot of the people involved and I think the show has tremendous potential, but my interest has been fading.

[MikeVic]

I'm really liking this show, so of course it's season finale next week!!

[Cork]

Excellent episode tonight! The plot lines are really taking off. I like the ballet scene at the end.

-Cork

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm really liking this show, so of course it's series finale next week!!

fixed that for you

[MikeVic]

fixed that for you

No!!! :(

[DaddyTorgo]

No!!! :(

not what I want to happen either. But it's fox...you know that's what will happen.

[stevew]

Would have been better if they could have gotten the guy to reprise Dr. Silberman one more time, he's already done it in all 3 movies.

[FrogMan]

not what I want to happen either. But it's fox...you know that's what will happen.

speaking of which...
http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2008/20080226_1940.png

FM

[MikeVic]

I bet that's happening right now.

[FrogMan]

they don't call it Real Life Comics for nothing... :D

FM

[Warhammer]

I love that strip. Of course the best character is the Evil Genius guy.

[FrogMan]

I love that strip. Of course the best character is the Evil Genius guy.

I've just started reading it and have started all the way from the start. Got some ways to go, heh... :)

Still today's was too apropos not to post it in this thread... :D

FM

[Honolulu_Blue]

I finally caught the most recent episode this morning.

I loved it. Definitely the best episode of the season. Cameron walking away as those Russian gangsters stormed in to kill those two was brilliant.

I really enjoyed what they did with the doctor. The fact that they keep referring back to the first two movies is great. I mean, by all accounts, those were the two most important events in their lives and it makes sense the ramifications would continue.

I am looking forward to the season finale. I do hope, but am not hopeful, that it wont be the last. episode. ever.

[rowech]

Supposedly this is the #1 downloaded show right now. Hopefully, Fox will see that and realize the show should stick.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I thought looking in on the effects of the breakout fight on Dr. Silberman was an inspired story choice.

As far as Cameron goes, I think we're meant to be uncertain about her precise motives. Derek's flashback to the bit about them going bad (implication, it might happen to her too), keeping the CPU from the 888 that was after Derek, ...

[DaddyTorgo]

enjoyed the show last night - thought the "raid" at the end was a bit anticlimactic for sure though.

let's hope it's not pulled now, hmm?

cameron at the prom would be a great comedic-type episode for next season

[stevew]

definitely didn't seem like a season finale type episode, I'm assuming they ran out of shootable scripts and tacked that bit on the end on.

Hopefully it can come back in some form next season, I'd be happy with 13 episodes. We don't necessarily need 22 per season from every show.

[cthomer5000]

After watching the strange, awkward season finale, I'm just going to quote myself from earlier in the thread:

I could stop watching this show right now and not really care what happens. Even blowing through commercials on the DVR, this show is barely holding my interest.

I saw the whole season, and I think I can easily say that I have never felt more neutral towards a show. It wasn't good, but didn't feel like a total waste of time. It neither added nor detracted from the Terminator legacy. I won't care whether it is or isn't renewed.

[rjolley]

Did anyone else notice the edits of the commercial breaks was odd? Like, when Cameron took care of the guy at the museum...did they actually show it, or just allude to it?

[DaddyTorgo]

Did anyone else notice the edits of the commercial breaks was odd? Like, when Cameron took care of the guy at the museum...did they actually show it, or just allude to it?


just alluded to it

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

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[Honolulu_Blue]

I finally watched the season finale this morning.

I still like this show. I like that it attempts to be more than it actually is. It has a been of artistry to it. I thought the scene with the FBI raiding the Terminator's apartment with the Johnn Cash song was simply brilliant. It was a great use of music - which tied in well with the ealier theme - and was excellently shot. It was every bit effective a John Woo type slow-mo shootout. I loved it.

I also that B.A.G.'s move when he shot that guy in the head was completely bad ass. I totally didn't it see it coming.

This is not the greatest show on the planet. It occasionally raises above, but never for an entire episode. There are flashes of brilliance surrounded by a sea of... meh. Still, that makes it better than 90% of the TV alternatives. I enjoyed the shows more than the second season of "Heroes" and a lot more than the last two seasons of "24". I stopped watching "24" after the mid-way point of last season it was so laughibly, god awful horrible.

I hope they renew it. I think the show has some potential and has some talented people working on it.

[MikeVic]

I was talking with another person saying that exact same thing: I enjoyed this show more than the second season of Heroes. I hope it gets picked up for another season, since it's kind of hard to rate a show based on only one season. I'd like to see what else they can do.

[Anthony]

what happened with 24 to make it a bad show? i don't watch it, but i've heard constantly the last 2 season were awful - what were some of the bad storlyine or plot devices that made it so bad?

[Honolulu_Blue]

It's comin' back, yo!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3icfe13ead83e2831b75bae45ceb5ff4df
Fox Confirms Renewal For 'Sarah Connor'

Apr-21-2008


It wasn't too much of a surprise, but Fox made it official.


The network known for axing shows like "Alien (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424957.html#) Nation" and "Firefly" well before their times took a rare step by renewing a science-fiction series, namely "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."
Michael Ausiello of TV Guide reported rumors of the pickup last week, but others say it wasn't too much of a stretch since the show didn't do horribly in the ratings (it did lose 50 percent of its premiere, but that premiere came after highly rated playoff football (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424957.html#)), and it's attached to a franchise that is preparing to put out its first movie without actor and governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424957.html#).


Fox has ordered 13 additional episodes for a second season of the show, but it's still not clear whether it will move to the fall, or take up a mid-season premiere like it did this past season.
The show, which is produced by Warner Bros (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424957.html#). Television (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424957.html#), stars Lena Headey as Sarah Connor, Thomas Dekker as John Connor and Summer Glau as the Terminator Cameron.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Shirley Manson cast in 'Sarah Connor'

Garbage lead singer to be regular on 'Terminator' series

By Nellie Andreeva

May 29, 2008, 01:00 AM
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Garbage lead singer Shirley Manson is venturing into acting in a big way with a regular role next season on Fox's "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."

On "Sarah Connor," produced by Warner Bros. TV, Scottish musician Manson will play Catherine Weaver, the CEO of a cutting-edge high-tech company.

The sci-fi series, an offshoot from the "Terminator" feature franchise, is returning for a second season in the fall after launching in midseason as the highest-rated new scripted series of the 2007-08 season.

It stars Lena Headey as Sarah Connor, Thomas Dekker as her son John Connor and Summer Glau as terminator Cameron Phillips.

Formed in Madison, Wis., Garbage broke on the national scene in 1995 with its self-titled debut album, which spawned the modern rock hit "Only Happy When It Rains" and has gone double platinum. The quartet, which also includes Nirvana producer Butch Vig on drums, has released three other albums, the most recent in 2005.

[jeff061]

She's my woman. Hands off.

[Rizon]

She's my woman. Hands off.

No, mine.


I will settle for a 3 way though

[jeff061]

One sec, I'll go wake her and ask.

[jeff061]

No, she says I'm the only man for her. Sorry :(.

[Rizon]

No, she says I'm the only man for her. Sorry :(.

What if I got a sex change?

[FrogMan]

quick headsup, season premiere is tonight...

FM

[MikeVic]

Can't wait!!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Definitely looking forward to it.

[saldana]

i'm a bit surprised they are trying to put this up agains MNF...it seems to me it would be the same demographic.

not that i personally care much...thats what DVRs are for.

[DaddyTorgo]

dvr is set! woohoo!

and in a couple weeks monday night really returns to greatness as we get HIMYM, 2.5 Men, and Big Bang Theory back also! DVR starts to work overtime!

[MikeVic]

Heroes is on a Monday too.

[DaddyTorgo]

Heroes is on a Monday too.

meh - unless the broads are finally going to get nekkid, that show is overrated IMO.

[hoopsguy]

However, I think it is fair to suggest that Heroes and Terminator Chronicles probably have a similar audience.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh yeah. i suppose

[Tasan]

DVR is set. My wife and I were both surprised it was renewed. Its one of those shows that we like, but borders on being able to quickly go downhill if they do something stupid. Here's hoping for another solid, non-stupid season.

[sterlingice]

Agreed- have it on the DVR.

Glad they didn't go the "terminator-per-week" idea and went with a better serial format.

Speaking to Heroes and Terminator, I thought they were on at different times so you could easily watch both. Kindof a scifi two-fer.

SI

[Tigercat]

That was a great surprise visit...
OK, the return of t-1000 is freakin awesome! I didn't know if they would be able to put the budget together for it.

[FrogMan]

Agreed- have it on the DVR.

Glad they didn't go the "terminator-per-week" idea and went with a better serial format.

Speaking to Heroes and Terminator, I thought they were on at different times so you could easily watch both. Kindof a scifi two-fer.

SI

yeah, Terminator is at 8 and Heroes was/will be at 9...

FM

[MikeVic]

That was a great surprise visit...
OK, the return of t-1000 is freakin awesome! I didn't know if they would be able to put the budget together for it.

I completely agree.

[sterlingice]

I know this sounds silly, but I figured there would be better, well, you know things that could do the same job for a lesser cost to the future robots.

SI

[Cork]

Excellent start to season 2.

-Cork

[Honolulu_Blue]

Excellent start to season 2.

-Cork

I agree. It was a pretty exciting episode. They continue to try to do more stylistically with the show than most, which is appreciated.

I am still not sure about the whole Cameron could turn evil at any minute thing. That seems like quite an awful risk.

[gi]

I agree. It was a pretty exciting episode. They continue to try to do more stylistically with the show than most, which is appreciated.

I am still not sure about the whole Cameron could turn evil at any minute thing. That seems like quite an awful risk.

Or it could turn into a crutch. I'm hoping it doesn't happen again or they find a way to make it never happen again. Nice showing at the end. Didn't think they would go there so soon and I didn't see that coming. Thought we'd get the tried and tested evil corporation with weird CEO bad guy. Now we get that with a bonus. :)

[sterlingice]

Or it could turn into a crutch. I'm hoping it doesn't happen again or they find a way to make it never happen again. Nice showing at the end. Didn't think they would go there so soon and I didn't see that coming. Thought we'd get the tried and tested evil corporation with weird CEO bad guy. Now we get that with a bonus. :)

I kindof figured she was some sort of robot as they kept her saying "they" about humans a bunch

SI

[ISiddiqui]

And Shirley Manson just looks non-human :D.

[sterlingice]

And Shirley Manson just looks non-human :D.

Didn't realize that was her

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

Or it could turn into a crutch. I'm hoping it doesn't happen again or they find a way to make it never happen again. Nice showing at the end. Didn't think they would go there so soon and I didn't see that coming. Thought we'd get the tried and tested evil corporation with weird CEO bad guy. Now we get that with a bonus. :)

If it does happen again, it will be pretty lame (especially if they don't melt her ass right there on the spot). Going to the well once is fine and kind of cool. Twice? Not so much.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so I just want to make sure I'm following along here:

Shirley Manson's character apparently has been running her company for some period of time, based on the interaction with the department heads and comments about stock price increasing under her watch.

So, how does this gel with what we have seen with the "learning process" with Arnold in T2 and with Cameron last season? Just how far along in the learning process is Shirley? From what we saw at the end, the experience of living with humans doesn't seem to have "humanized" her much at all.

This seems like a pretty important concept to the show overall, if not necessarily this particular episode. Hopefully the result is more satisfying than the conclusion of the Matrix movies when they mined similar themes.

[Honolulu_Blue]

OK, so I just want to make sure I'm following along here:

Shirley Manson's character apparently has been running her company for some period of time, based on the interaction with the department heads and comments about stock price increasing under her watch.

So, how does this gel with what we have seen with the "learning process" with Arnold in T2 and with Cameron last season? Just how far along in the learning process is Shirley? From what we saw at the end, the experience of living with humans doesn't seem to have "humanized" her much at all.

This seems like a pretty important concept to the show overall, if not necessarily this particular episode. Hopefully the result is more satisfying than the conclusion of the Matrix movies when they mined similar themes.

Maybe the T-1000's are better than the older, less advanced models at the whole "learning process" thing?

Or maybe the T-1000 just recently killed the real Shirley - the one responsible for the whole stock price increase - and took her form?

Both would seem plausible enough.

[saldana]

so can anyone tell me what happened in the last minute of tonights show...the dvr shut off right after Cameronsaid that she got the necklace at a thrift store.

[MikeVic]

Nothing that I recall...

[gi]

Nothing, just previews. I'm slowly losing interest in this show. Hoping it picks up some in the next couple of episodes.

[rowech]

Nothing, just previews. I'm slowly losing interest in this show. Hoping it picks up some in the next couple of episodes.

Rumors have it that it's toast at the midpoint of this season if ratings don't kick up which isn't very likely since it's against Monday Night Football.

[MikeVic]

I actually like this show a lot.

[saldana]

i agree that this weeks episode was not very good. it explained some things, but didnt really have any dramatic grip moments.

[Cork]

I actually like this show a lot.

I am right there with ya. I think this show has been very good and look forward to seeing how it all plays out.

-Cork

[rowech]

This show works when they bring the future into it. When it's just an episode of them being chased the whole time, it's just blah. If they don't incorporate some of the future into each episode, I don't think it'll last.

[DanGarion]

So what was up with Cameron taking off her jacket before entering John's room. Was she trying to seduce him...?

[gi]

I was thinking that she used it as a manipulation tool. I'm thinking we will get some story soon about how she is trying to merge her human memories with her non-human shell. Couple hints about her making mistakes, etc through out the episode is making me think that.

[MikeVic]

I hope Cromartie isn't back... I hate when a show kills someone and then brings them back. Especially if they've been hyping it as much as this show has. Maybe Cromartie dying was a red herring, and we'll still get someone else dead.

Overall though, I'm still liking this show. I think it's amazing that with three movies and another on the way, they've managed to actually stay pretty consistent with the story in those (well two movies at least).

[gi]

I agree, good show so far. I had my doubts that they could turn it around in my eyes, but they did and I'm liking it again. As long as the writers don't get lazy, I'm in.

[sterlingice]

Ok, it's back as of last week but has been moved to Friday. Just saw last week's on DVR and it starts out this half of the season nicely. I still am curious what they are going to do with the Catherine Weaver (Manson)-John Henry plot as they hinted but did no real reveals.

One of the things that I give them a lot of credit for is that they have done really well with the "time war" part of the plot. It's really hard to do time travel well, particularly something where there are characters coming backwards in time to change the future.

It's as has been said previously in this thread, it's a show that could fall off a cliff at any time and the viewer knows it but they so far have avoided any of those pitfalls, which makes it that much more rewarding.

I really want to see where they go with this show but I suspect we won't get the chance.

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[MikeVic]

I enjoy this show, and like the whole Terminator story. I think this show does a really good job of referencing past events from the movies, but also not setting stuff up for future movies (since I doubt they can do something like that). If this show gets canceled (as alluded to in the Dollhouse thread), I'll be sad.

[JediKooter]

Ouch, Friday. That's where shows are sent to die.

[Cork]

Ouch, Friday. That's where shows are sent to die.

As oposed to opposite MNF on Mondays?

-Cork

[gi]

Once MNF went to ESPN, I wouldn't worry about it as much. Plus with DVR, it doesn't matter. Pretty soon, watching TV Live will be rare.

Nice start, good acting. I'm hoping the series sticks for another season. If there is doubt, wrap up the story as best as you can. I still miss Pushing Daisies.

[stevew]

They've really lost me with this show, I guess it's on Friday's now. I still watch it when it's recorded, but I'm really losing interest. I shouldn't be surprised it got old fast, but I think the quality is noticeably poorer. Too much of the weekly random element, and back from the future flashback stories. Plus the girlfriend was from the future, that's kind of stupid.

[DanGarion]

They've really lost me with this show, I guess it's on Friday's now. I still watch it when it's recorded, but I'm really losing interest. I shouldn't be surprised it got old fast, but I think the quality is noticeably poorer. Too much of the weekly random element, and back from the future flashback stories. Plus the girlfriend was from the future, that's kind of stupid.
Wow I thought the show has been pretty good. A little slow at times. But it can't always be action action action. The girlfriend thing made sense if you saw all the episodes IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow I thought the show has been pretty good. A little slow at times. But it can't always be action action action. The girlfriend thing made sense if you saw all the episodes IMO.

+1

I'm enjoying it. I like the future flash-forwards - it's a good way of drawing parallels and expanding the universe and stuff. And the GF being from the future made total sense. I'm a bit surprised I didn't suspect it earlier to be honest.

[stevew]

I may have missed 3-4 episodes then, cause it was definitely a wtf moment for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

you did miss it then stevew. there was a point where the GF and Jessie had a confrontation in the hotel room episodes before her death. essentially Jessie brought the GF back to befriend John and keep Cameron away from him and the GF was starting to crack. We've known the GF was from the future for a little bit, but they haven't necessarily been hinting it hard on the show so if you missed one episode and maybe turned away at one other point for 30 seconds you would have missed it

[MikeVic]

Still one of my favourite shows, and I thought the last few episodes have been great. I like the story a lot.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, I completely disagree. Maybe my favorite show at the moment- I'm going to be really disappointed when it gets cancelled. It's a very smart show, well acted for a tv show- who'd have thought Brian Austin Green would resurrect his career here, and I really like almost all of the storylines they have going at the moment. It's really hard to do time travel right and they haven't screwed up yet. It fells like the spiritual successor to T2 and been infinitely better than T3.

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[sterlingice]

Something this week was very anti-climactic (and somewhat disappointing in that regard) and this is kindof the second time in two weeks that they've done that.

The rest of the episode, it could be that they're hitting the "scramble" button to shake everything up again but previews for next week's season (probably series) finale look like they're going to make it more simple.

What Weaver was talking about with Ellison in the elevator make me really curious what they were going to do with the show and that much more irritated that we probably won't find out.

SI

[Tigercat]

Yea, both subtractions were a bit strange.

I think I have a pretty good idea about where they are going:
although I could be wrong... I think female liquid terminator in the present was the same liquid terminator in the future that the sub crew retrieved. I think she is part of a group of machines that oppose the annihilation of humans. So after she (or her group if shes not the same exact liquid) turned down working directly with Conner in the future, she was sent in the past to build a skynet that doesn't decide to initiate judgment day. That's why she is trying to give John Henry morals.

The other AI is the classic doomsday-skynet in training, which also appears to have some terminators guarding it.

[Galaril]

Something this week was very anti-climactic (and somewhat disappointing in that regard) and this is kindof the second time in two weeks that they've done that.

The rest of the episode, it could be that they're hitting the "scramble" button to shake everything up again but previews for next week's season (probably series) finale look like they're going to make it more simple.

What Weaver was talking about with Ellison in the elevator make me really curious what they were going to do with the show and that much more irritated that we probably won't find out.

SI


I have seen others note this as well has it been confirmed that the show is cancelled after this season? It would be too bad to get rid of this in favor of Doll House what a oiece of skank laden trash.

[sterlingice]

Tigercat-

I think you're pretty much right with the spoiler tagged material- that's what my wife and I were thinking, too. That said, there's room to go with that even. If you've ever read "I, Robot" (no, not the Will Smith movie which references the name and that's about it)- the paradox is simple in that humans essentially have to be protected from themselves.

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[DaddyTorgo]

I have seen others note this as well has it been confirmed that the show is cancelled after this season? It would be too bad to get rid of this in favor of Doll House what a oiece of skank laden trash.

no it hasn't been confirmed. people are just expecting this to happen.

i missed friday's episode (asleep with a headache). i need to watch it online here in a few

[DaddyTorgo]

Yea, both subtractions were a bit strange.

I think I have a pretty good idea about where they are going:
although I could be wrong... I think female liquid terminator in the present was the same liquid terminator in the future that the sub crew retrieved. I think she is part of a group of machines that oppose the annihilation of humans. So after she (or her group if shes not the same exact liquid) turned down working directly with Conner in the future, she was sent in the past to build a skynet that doesn't decide to initiate judgment day. That's why she is trying to give John Henry morals.

The other AI is the classic doomsday-skynet in training, which also appears to have some terminators guarding it.


i like this idea - i've got no problem with it

[sterlingice]

no it hasn't been confirmed. people are just expecting this to happen.

i missed friday's episode (asleep with a headache). i need to watch it online here in a few

It hasn't been confirmed but it's been getting pretty bad ratings. Tv.com is claiming that the decision hinges on how well Terminator: Salvation does. Seems kindof silly to me since TSCC disavows the existence of the T3/T4 time line but whatever. Anything to get another season or so out of this show would be good with me.

SI

[DaddyTorgo]

my only thought about the spoiler-tagged thought is that if that was the case then why have the present-day-liquid killing the worker in the bathroom and all?

[Tigercat]

my only thought about the spoiler-tagged thought is that if that was the case then why have the present-day-liquid killing the worker in the bathroom and all?

All terminators have shown that they will kill to get their way. See: Cameron being "good" but not afraid to kill individuals and the captain of the sub. If the liquid is some kind of "good," the bigger question is about the mass killing at the factory. In that case I am wondering if the factory wasn't discovered by the other faction, and that's why she felt the need to go Rambo on it. When John Henry picked up the transmission that the factory had been compromised, she might suspected correctly that the other faction was involved. (It looked like the security guy that kidnapped Sarah was working for a team that wasn't associated with her company. At least that's the impression that I got.)

[DaddyTorgo]

good point tigercat...and that was sorta the same conclusion i came to after finishing watching the episode.

agree that that's definately the way they're going with it - surprised about the end of the episode this week

[revrew]

I'm wondering (after the liquid on submarine episode), if I'm forgetting something from the T2/T3 movies. I was under the impression the liquid was just a more advanced form of Terminator, developed by the machines. This discussion of the SCC liquid being possibly altruistic and/or competing with the machines seems odd. If my previously stated assumption holds, wouldn't the SCC liquid have the same motives as the other Terminators: protect Skynet's development?

[sterlingice]

I think of it more like the Matrix. Maybe there's not all harmony in the robot camp- we just don't see it from the random bots sent back to kill John. Some robots have their "own" interests like the Oracle or Merovingian in the Matrix

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[Tigercat]

I'm wondering (after the liquid on submarine episode), if I'm forgetting something from the T2/T3 movies. I was under the impression the liquid was just a more advanced form of Terminator, developed by the machines. This discussion of the SCC liquid being possibly altruistic and/or competing with the machines seems odd. If my previously stated assumption holds, wouldn't the SCC liquid have the same motives as the other Terminators: protect Skynet's development?

That would have been the assumption before the show for sure. But the whole sub episode seems to hint that there are factions. (The terminator trying to kidnap the liquid's "child" adds to that possibility too obviously.) How a splinter faction may have formed, who knows. Maybe certain models of individual terminators evolved beyond the programing of skynet? I think Arnold and Cameron have shown that terminators under the right circumstances can act beyond being closed circuited sentinels. Maybe they saw the scorched earth around them, and find the choices that were made by skynet illogical. Maybe future Connor found a way to start the insurrection. (Virus or hacking on terminators not under his control to get them to think independent of skynet?)

[stevew]

Surprised to see them whack David Silver like that. I need to rewatch the episodes I missed. Not sure how cromartie switched to John Henry.

[DaddyTorgo]

WOW. that was pretty cool when they came face-to-face with the liquid. i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing. one hell of a mindfuck in the last 5 minutes

with the whole cameron giving her chip to john henry and john henry dissapearing (in time?), and then the liquid taking John into the future and now what...he's not the salvation anymore?

definately either a) a good end to the series or b) a hell of a "you better bring us back so we can fix this network" type of cliffhanger

[Cork]

What an awesome season finale. I really really hope they bring this show back. It would be a shame to pull the plug now.

-Cork

[stevew]

Why are we spoiler tagging shows that have already aired?

[Tigercat]

i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing.

Disturbing. John seemed to be turned on by the fact that he was skin to skin with her and he had his hand in her metal parts. But I guess when your major daddy figure growing up was metal, your idea about intimacy with robots gets kinda skewed.

I am sure they would explain it more later, but I found Sarah not wanting to follow John way out of character, and hard to believe a legit reasoning for it. Her first instinct is always to protect him, and she just didn't have time to decide that he may be better off without her in this specific instant. Hell, she didn't have enough information on what was going on to make that kind of decision.

But anyway, a good finale. Would be interesting to see how well they could do a terminator future storyline on a TV budget.

[MikeVic]

Holy crap they better not cancel this series. Great finale!

[DanGarion]

WOW. that was pretty cool when they came face-to-face with the liquid. i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing. one hell of a mindfuck in the last 5 minutes

with the whole cameron giving her chip to john henry and john henry dissapearing (in time?), and then the liquid taking John into the future and now what...he's not the salvation anymore?

definately either a) a good end to the series or b) a hell of a "you better bring us back so we can fix this network" type of cliffhanger
Well you have to remember because he went into the future he technically doesn't exist in this timeline now...

[DaddyTorgo]

Well you have to remember because he went into the future he technically doesn't exist in this timeline now...

right

[Tigercat]

Its something I always thought about with forward time travel, shouldn't every future time travel trip look like that? You are taking yourself out of the equation for the future if you go forward in time; you move forward in time with your body and mind and there is nothing that stays behind in the present to age into the future.

Seems like you should never run into your future self when time traveling.

[DanGarion]

Its something I always thought about with forward time travel, shouldn't every future time travel trip look like that? You are taking yourself out of the equation for the future if you go forward in time; you move forward in time with your body and mind and there is nothing that stays behind in the present to age into the future.

Seems like you should never run into your future self when time traveling.
Exactly!

[sterlingice]

Just caught up on the finale on DVR tonight.


-My biggest thought is this: Was this a case of "we knew we were getting cancelled so we threw some crap together to end the season/series" or was there an actual plan there to continue this storyline? I hope it was the latter because the former is what killed The X-Files. They did that 2 or 3 seasons in a row and just wrote themselves into such a corner they could never recover. Then again, we all know there's not a great chance it comes back so maybe they were just trying to throw fans a bone.

-If they continued on, they really only have one option I can see. Due to tv budget constraints, we get some low budget future scenes like some of the Derek or Jesse stuff where they're contained in a small environment that is cheap to film in. The Weaver/Connor/John Henry future storyline goes on for a few episodes while we get a little Sarah/Ellison current plotline of looking for John Henry's brother/Skynet. Then they converge back. This isn't an ensemble show with a large cast, especially now in the present with Cameron out of commission and Derek dead- I still don't get why they did that since Brian Austin Green is still under contract for the show and obviously in the future storyline- so you can't leave them split up for too long. Plus, if you make this too futuristic and not "grounded enough to modern reality", you're going to alienate any mainstream audience you have. Then again, it's not like they're drawing a big mainsteam audience as is, looking at the numbers.

-For anyone who saw the pretty much awful show that was Enterprise, they were uncharacteristically good with picking up good buzzwords or concepts. Their big problem was that they never had anywhere near the writing talent to flesh out the good ideas they hit upon so the good ideas came off flat. Their largest story arc for the first three seasons, until they hastily killed it off at the end of their mock-DS9 story line that ended season 3, was the "Temporal Cold War" which sounds cool and scary but they never could elaborate on the concept at all. This show feels like a Temporal War- you have both sides sending things back and forth through time like some crazy 4D chess match. While going with alternate universes makes time travel plots easier to write than the one continuum theory where you have to have all of your moves written in advance and reveal them to the viewer slowly, this still takes a lot of writing skill to do well and they have been up to the task so far.

-I agree with the comment about Sarah not going with John. That seems out of character- either she would join or, more likely, she would stop him from going with the T-1000. She's not exactly trusting of the machines.

-The John-Cameron "see if I'm working scene was just silly. I expect more from the writers of this show.

-I loved the little bit of freeze frame fun with the eel being a part of Weaver. That was awesome!

-When I went to look up something just now, TSCC was the #1 show on tv.com. I don't think I could reiterate this enough: I would just love for this to come back. Again, I think it might be my favorite right now on tv and it's definitely one of the smartest mainstream shows out there.


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[DaddyTorgo]

-I hope they have a plan to keep it going and they didn't write themselves into a corner. I'm somewhat sure that they have a plan - maybe we'll see an interview where someone asks them that. If not, well they gave a hell of a "fuck you" to Fox for canceling them.

-I agree with your thoughts on the future direction of the plotlines if things go forward. If the show gets renewed then the liquid+john pickup Derek & Cameron in the future and bring them back to the present day.

-As far as the abomination that was Enterprise's "Temporal Cold War" storyline - that shit killed the show for me pretty much.

-The reveal of Weaver definately lived up to my expectations, in a major way. I was literally sitting in front of the tv whooping and bouncing.

[sterlingice]

-As far as the abomination that was Enterprise's "Temporal Cold War" storyline - that shit killed the show for me pretty much.

Enterprise had so much potential as an idea, but, again, they had nowhere near the caliber of writers to pull it off. They would occasionally come across some great ideas for plots but could never execute them. A time war would have been a great idea and here we're essentially seeing that in TSCC. There, they just mentioned it a couple of times "because it sounded cool" and didn't do anything good with the idea.

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[DaddyTorgo]

Enterprise had so much potential as an idea, but, again, they had nowhere near the caliber of writers to pull it off. They would occasionally come across some great ideas for plots but could never execute them. A time war would have been a great idea and here we're essentially seeing that in TSCC. There, they just mentioned it a couple of times "because it sounded cool" and didn't do anything good with the idea.

SI

Oh I know. Count me as one who was hugely excited for the premise of Enterprise - humanity venturing out into space...I really thought it had the potential to be amazing and very insightful.

Problem was "Temporal Cold War" sounded cool so they shifted the whole focus to that, and then inserted the Suliban and the Xindi and their whole attack on Earth and it just became...stupid. When you have to resort to a line of thinking involving alternate realities to explain we wouldn't have heard of any of these things in any of the other televised incarnations of the franchise it's a huge problem IMO. Because then you're forcing your viewers to make implicit value judgements on which reality they prefer. And obviously in that instance when you're 1 series going up against 4 series you're going to lose.

The episodes of Enterprise that I enoy were the ones that have no mention of the fucking Xindi or the Expanse, or the Temporal Cold War or the Suliban. The episodes I enjoyed were the ones that were either self-contained and not dealing with those things - mysteries on planets or in space, or that gave us looks at Klingons/Vulcans/Andorians/Tellerites/etc in new ways. I also thought (personal nitpick) that they made the humans way too comfortable around the more advanced technology of some of the other races. Would have loved the reactions to be more "awe" than "ho hum".

[sterlingice]

Oh I know. Count me as one who was hugely excited for the premise of Enterprise - humanity venturing out into space...I really thought it had the potential to be amazing and very insightful.

Problem was "Temporal Cold War" sounded cool so they shifted the whole focus to that, and then inserted the Suliban and the Xindi and their whole attack on Earth and it just became...stupid. When you have to resort to a line of thinking involving alternate realities to explain we wouldn't have heard of any of these things in any of the other televised incarnations of the franchise it's a huge problem IMO. Because then you're forcing your viewers to make implicit value judgements on which reality they prefer. And obviously in that instance when you're 1 series going up against 4 series you're going to lose.

The episodes of Enterprise that I enoy were the ones that have no mention of the fucking Xindi or the Expanse, or the Temporal Cold War or the Suliban. The episodes I enjoyed were the ones that were either self-contained and not dealing with those things - mysteries on planets or in space, or that gave us looks at Klingons/Vulcans/Andorians/Tellerites/etc in new ways. I also thought (personal nitpick) that they made the humans way too comfortable around the more advanced technology of some of the other races. Would have loved the reactions to be more "awe" than "ho hum".

If you could have just kept the awe factor up, it would have been a big step in the right direction. I mean, geez- it's the first time humans have really gotten anywhere in space. It should be amazing and awe inspiring and be more of a drama that tugs at those angels of our better nature, those things that want us to succeed as humanity. Instead, it was pulpy sci-fi that was on after rasslin' on a network that no longer exists.

The Xindi plot was basically recycled DS9 Dominion War plots without good writing while the Expanse crap- wasn't there something like that in Voyager (which wasn't very good either so why are you copying from that?!?)

Anyways, we're way off track. Here's to hoping T4 gets $100M its first weekend (it won't) and they'll bring back the show on the spot for next season (hooray!)

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[MikeVic]

No More Terminator On TV (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0746521/)

Hopefully this isn't a true report.

[gi]

Hearing a lot of rumors that it's a done deal. It's gone :(

[sterlingice]

Most out there right now are your typical internet echo chamber. They're almost all based on the EW story and quoting the EW story and have no sources of their own. I'd like to see something a little bit more concrete but, as we've been saying for months, it doesn't look good.

I doubt Fox will say anything official until after T4 comes out.

SI

[MikeVic]

Most out there right now are your typical internet echo chamber. They're almost all based on the EW story and quoting the EW story and have no sources of their own. I'd like to see something a little bit more concrete but, as we've been saying for months, it doesn't look good.

I doubt Fox will say anything official until after T4 comes out.

SI

In the EW article, a Fox execute said the fall schedule will be announced May 18th... which is three days before the movie even premieres. So I don't think they'll be looking at the movie, as stupid as that sounds...

[duckman]

SCC is no more...

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[MikeVic]

:(

[Surtt]

Fox entertainment president Kevin Reilly had this to say about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles at a press conference:


[Sarah Connor] has completed its run. I think it had a nice little run. It was a good show. It was not an either or [with Dollhouse]. We did see it tailing off a bit [in the ratings]. It had a nice creative core, but, ultimately, we made the bet on Dollhouse, so that's it for [Sarah Connor]... We make no apologies. We gave it a lot of support and some consistent scheduling. We tried and thought it was time to move on.


They can't keep their story straight for 3 sentences.

[JediKooter]

RIP...

Getting sent to Friday nights is the kiss of death.

[sterlingice]

Dang- again, maybe had become my favorite show. I was a little hopeful since stuff that really didn't have much of a shot had been getting renewed like Dollhouse and Chuck but I also had a feeling in the back of my mind that this would be the one exception even tho it didn't make much sense.

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[DaddyTorgo]

*scared to see why this was bumped*

[DaddyTorgo]

gah. sadness

and wait - you made the bet on DOLLHOUSE??? REALLY!?!?! DOLLHOUSE?!?!?!

*sighs*

[ISiddiqui]

As I said in the other thread... SCC has had more than one season.

And do not underestimate the power of Whedon fans. They will hype this up beyond all reckoning (though I do like the show) and watching 10 billion times on Hulu or DVD (or both).

[Marc Vaughan]

Can't believe this has been canned - especially not with the movie onroute .... just on the back of that it'd get great viewing/DVD sales I'd expect (especially if they managed to tie the storyline into the movie somehow).

[Galaril]

gah. sadness

and wait - you made the bet on DOLLHOUSE??? REALLY!?!?! DOLLHOUSE?!?!?!

*sighs*

Yeah, I know I watch five minutes of dollhouse and was done.

[Travis]

I had hoped both Dollhouse and SCC would make it to next season. As it is I'm glad it appears we'll get one, but still too bad SCC had to be lost. Especially with how many new reality shows will likely be coming out.