FM: Training

[Ajaxab]

I've played the series for a long time now (going back to CM 96/97) and training has always been something I didn't really want to deal with. After reading Cringer's posts in the other thread, I'm thinking that maybe I'm losing something by leaving it to my coaches. So the first question would be, is it a disadvantage to let your coaches assign training schedules?

Second if the answer to the first question is yes, how do you go about creating schedules? How often should they be changed? Is there an easy, one size fits all schedule by position for GK, DC, DR/DL, etc.? ;)

[Toddzilla]

These are the ones that I use and really like them.

Pro Tip: After you create these, EXPORT them so you can quickly import them into future games.

http://sveroa.wordpress.com/2006/12/28/fm-training-schedule/

[MrBug708]

Just look in the si forums for training tactics. By now there are some solid ones and still enables you to forget training but once or twice a year

[Toddzilla]

Just look in the si forums for training tactics.I hate to nitpick, but "just look in the si forums" is precisely why we have this forum and what we want to avoid. I think all of us know about the SI forums - which is why we don't want to go there.

[Cringer]

I just looked at Todd's link above, and wow did I luck into a decent training schedule. Mine are not too different then that for fulltime players. What I do differently is I have two training schedules for each position. One set looks REAL close to what Todd linked to. The other set is pretty close, but I switch having strength and aerobic being higher then the other. I also make some adjustments to the other areas.

I will switch players as a group usually, back and forth between the two training schedules for their position usually every couple of months, sometimes three months. I will also take a striker and throw him in with the midfielders every once in a while, or a defender in with the midfielders. I mix it up for some guys. If it isn't having a positive effect after a few weeks then I will switch him back.

Seems to have worked well for me. Later tonight when I have time I will take screen shots and post them.

[daedalus]

I hate to nitpick, but "just look in the si forums" is precisely why we have this forum and what we want to avoid. I think all of us know about the SI forums - which is why we don't want to go there.i also hate to nitpick, but this is not a nitpick. what the hell would we have this forum for if we are just going to "go look in the si forums".

second . . . beyond the complete idiocy that abounds there . . . too many posts/threads in the si forums is ALL about "my supracalifragilisticexpialidocious training regime, hot hot hot". (same with tactics.) i can't stand those. tell me HOW to do it and i'll try. i don't need a one size fits all for me. and i have ZERO problems with folks who do, i just don't think everyone necessarily want to.

rant o-vah.

[MrBug708]

I hate to nitpick, but "just look in the si forums" is precisely why we have this forum and what we want to avoid. I think all of us know about the SI forums - which is why we don't want to go there.

True, but it's fairly easy to find the training thread as no one every has a good one and the only good one(s) have a lot of posts. Most center around tactics

[Cringer]

forwards
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/fwd2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/fwd-1.jpg
middies
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/mid2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/mid-1.jpg
backs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/def2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/def-1.jpg

I always thought the ones for forwards needed tweaking, and the link Todd put up shows me some ways to mess with them I think. They gave me results, but I always thought they were off a little and could be adjusted. Instead of taking the time to mess with it my forwards usually got some time in the mid (not mid2 though) training.

I like these, but I am not going to say they work for everyone. I had a team that was full of youngsters when I used this, so maybe I would have gotten the same results with different training regimes as long as I had my coaches to maximize each training area like I did with this. Since I started over a new career it will take me a while to get back to fulltime schedules again, but I plan on tweaking a couple of these just a bit once I am ready for them.

[daedalus]

nice. thanks, cringer! i started using a rotation training as well. ironically, the day before you talked about it in IRC. although my rotation is more physical-heavy before switching to skill-heavy after the new year. except i'm still asstarded enough to do it manually.
forwards
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/fwd2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/fwd-1.jpg
forwards is the one scheme where i'm willing to semi-sacrifice tactics for the sake of ball control. more specifically, i tend to keep ball control on a constant high. even more so than shooting (except on specific individuals, ie theo walcott). forwards is also the only spot where i'm willing to accept pedestrian stamina from so it's about the only scheme where i will keep bypass strength for aerobic training (in the sense of having aerobic be constantly 13-15 while keeping stamina at 10, especially for younger players).
middies
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/mid2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/mid-1.jpg
though i did leave shooting for midfielders in that low'ish range before, i had to give it up when my penalty takers started having issues converting so i upped them a bit (to about where you have it, 10-13 generally). although that *could* be just my perception (AKA paranoia).
backs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/def2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cringer/def-1.jpg
same comment about midfielders and shooting applies with defenders, except more so. i usually go quite high on tactics because, to my understanding, anticipation and positioning are huge for defenders and, of course, decisions is always important to me. it's interesting to me that you have set piece relatively high. is that the category that trains heading?

i typically break my midfielders to 'midfielders' and 'attackers' and my defenders to 'centrebacks' and 'fullbacks'. the 'attackers' (both attacking midfielders and wingers) and 'fullbacks' tend to get higher aerobic and set pieces training than their counterpart.

i do run my training at high and very high, though, so more room for messing with. i do run a very, very (significantly) deep rotation to allow me to do so, though. not really for everyone.

I always thought the ones for forwards needed tweaking, and the link Todd put up shows me some ways to mess with them I think. They gave me results, but I always thought they were off a little and could be adjusted. Instead of taking the time to mess with it my forwards usually got some time in the mid (not mid2 though) training.interesting idea. i shall have to try that sometime.

[Cringer]

shitballs! :mad:

I had a decent size response typed out and I hit backspace for some reason and of course the browser went back and it's gone now.

Anyways, I can see how different guys would have different settings for sure. This was with a young team, with AVERAGE training facilities. It worked well for me, but I can see how a team with 27-31 yr old guys would need something different to keep those guys where they are.

[Toddzilla]

I'm wondering if you can help to avoid the late-season swoon by backing off your training somewhat. I hate it that my players get gassed with a month to go in the season, and it drives me crazy when my starting keeper gets injured in a "vigorous training session" the week before the FA Cup final. Vigorous? Run some sprints and go home for cryingoutloud.

[Cringer]

I'm wondering if you can help to avoid the late-season swoon by backing off your training somewhat. I hate it that my players get gassed with a month to go in the season, and it drives me crazy when my starting keeper gets injured in a "vigorous training session" the week before the FA Cup final. Vigorous? Run some sprints and go home for cryingoutloud.

The workload level I show up above was more for the pictures then anything else. I would keep them around there when I was playing in SD1, because there was just not very many games compared to when I got into the SPL. Once in the SPL I had to back off because most of the time I was doing the Saturday/Wednesday matches every week. I backed it off almost all the way to the next marker on the left. Had very little problems with guys getting tired from match to match, and my injuries (which shot up, mostly in matches, the first few weeks in the SPL before I did this) got a heck of a lot better.

Hard to say if had a slump or not that first season, as I was so up and down anyways. The second season I actually got hot in February, when my teams usually got cold in the past. Could have been luck though.

[path12]

Personally I'm a big believer in tactics and ball control for all my players. All of my schedules (except GK) have both of those set at the first click of high, and I put my best coaches in those areas.

My players develop well, and it seems to really enable you to shorten up your passing style as the year goes on, which helps against the AI figuring you out. I just figure that smart players will do better.

[path12]

I'm wondering if you can help to avoid the late-season swoon by backing off your training somewhat. I hate it that my players get gassed with a month to go in the season, and it drives me crazy when my starting keeper gets injured in a "vigorous training session" the week before the FA Cup final. Vigorous? Run some sprints and go home for cryingoutloud.

Often I'll dial down the Aerobic and Strength a notch or two about a third of the way in the season. My guys don't get that gassed, but I do have the bad weather swoon every year it seems.

[Sweed]

I go in and set training schedules for each individual player on my club, maybe I'm the only one? When I first decided to try this I thought it would be tedious but, to me, it actually adds to the immersion and reality.

At the beginning of the year I look at each player and asses strengths, weaknesses, and what I want him to do. I then develop a training program for him. I name the programs "position-player name" ie "MR G.Ryan", "FC A.James" etc. This gives me a way to sort if I want all players on the screen at the same time. I then review where each player stands on the first of each month and make adjustments if I feel it is necessary.

I can appreciate this way isn't for everybody. I'm actually surprised at how much I enjoy doing it this way.

[FrogMan]

I go in and set training schedules for each individual player on my club, maybe I'm the only one? When I first decided to try this I thought it would be tedious but, to me, it actually adds to the immersion and reality.

At the beginning of the year I look at each player and asses strengths, weaknesses, and what I want him to do. I then develop a training program for him. I name the programs "position-player name" ie "MR G.Ryan", "FC A.James" etc. This gives me a way to sort if I want all players on the screen at the same time. I then review where each player stands on the first of each month and make adjustments if I feel it is necessary.

I can appreciate this way isn't for everybody. I'm actually surprised at how much I enjoy doing it this way.

you know what, when I first read that it immediately hit me that it's how I'd probably like to do it. I don't look at all my players every month but on the 1st of the month, I usually take a look at the three most improved and the three least improved anyway and I often found myself wanting to do some individual adjustments. I've started doing so for a few players and I'm finding it is a lot of fun. I like looking at the improvement bars and thinking "okay this defender can't get any better at defending, but maybe if I improve his ball control while simply maintaining his defending, he'll be a better all around defender"... Great suggestion!

I'm not going through all players at once, simply making schedules as I go through players before and after games, or in between games...

FM

[dfisher]

Cringer,

Are those training schedules full-time schedules? I tried making those schedules for my team (by coincidence, I used Frank to pick a team for me and he chose Albion Rovers). Since my team is part-time, as soon as I raise everyone a little, the workload rises way to fast. Do the amount of coaches on each technique effect workload or is it just a full-time/part-time thing?

[path12]

Cringer,

Are those training schedules full-time schedules? I tried making those schedules for my team (by coincidence, I used Frank to pick a team for me and he chose Albion Rovers). Since my team is part-time, as soon as I raise everyone a little, the workload rises way to fast. Do the amount of coaches on each technique effect workload or is it just a full-time/part-time thing?

I think it's a part-time thing. Since they aren't around as much, they need a substantially smaller workload.

[Sweed]

you know what, when I first read that it immediately hit me that it's how I'd probably like to do it. I don't look at all my players every month but on the 1st of the month, I usually take a look at the three most improved and the three least improved anyway and I often found myself wanting to do some individual adjustments. I've started doing so for a few players and I'm finding it is a lot of fun. I like looking at the improvement bars and thinking "okay this defender can't get any better at defending, but maybe if I improve his ball control while simply maintaining his defending, he'll be a better all around defender"... Great suggestion!

I'm not going through all players at once, simply making schedules as I go through players before and after games, or in between games...

FM

I think the reason I can do this in FM is because FM makes it feel like I am dealing with real players and not just adjusting sliders in a computer game.
The old way of doing training in OOTP (allocating points but not playing any games but still getting results) or scheduling training time in FOF (enjoyable enough but being done as a team) leaves me feeling like I was playing a game. With FM I feel like I'm in my manager's office reviewing the progress, or lack there of, of real players.

It may take me a couple of hours to get through the team but that's ok. As each player comes up it's like I'm with the staff saying "ok, boys how do you think Jones is coming along with the training schedule we have him on?" "What should he be working on? Where does he need to improve to help the club?" FM is the only game I play that gives me that type of immersion with regard to training\developing players.

[FrogMan]

I think the reason I can do this in FM is because FM makes it feel like I am dealing with real players and not just adjusting sliders in a computer game.
The old way of doing training in OOTP (allocating points but not playing any games but still getting results) or scheduling training time in FOF (enjoyable enough but being done as a team) leaves me feeling like I was playing a game. With FM I feel like I'm in my manager's office reviewing the progress, or lack there of, of real players.

It may take me a couple of hours to get through the team but that's ok. As each player comes up it's like I'm with the staff saying "ok, boys how do you think Jones is coming along with the training schedule we have him on?" "What should he be working on? Where does he need to improve to help the club?" FM is the only game I play that gives me that type of immersion with regard to training\developing players.

couldn't agree more with the general sentiment, and not only with training. FM really is the one game where I don't feel like I'm only dealing with numbers but real players... And I think that feeling is maybe even stronger with '08...

FM