Clemens/Congress

[rkmsuf]

So is this thing on live anywhere on the interwebs?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

ESPN is providing live TV coverage, so I'm guessing they'll have a feed on their site somewhere. FOXNews has also provided b-ball hearing streaming coverage in the past.

[rkmsuf]

Many thanks.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm wondering if Clemons may just take the 5th on most of this stuff now given the Petitte bombshells. The chairman of the committee is blasting away in his opening statement.

[Ksyrup]

Clemens is fucked. Even if none of this ends in a criminal charge, he's done.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Clemens is fucked. Even if none of this ends in a criminal charge, he's done.

He's done doing... what exactly? Was he expected to pitch again this year? He's done in that he's not getting into the Hall of Fame?

I thought his career was pretty much "done" regardless of this stuff.

[Ksyrup]

He's done in terms of his credibility, his public image, most likely his chances of getting into the HoF. He's never going to play again, regardless of how this comes out.

He's at Bonds' level right now, except he's got the additional issue of having to go through this hearing (and apparently his side insisted on it).

[Ksyrup]

All I can say is, Mark McGwire took a ton of shit for handling his issue the way he did, but if you're not going to come out and admit it, he definitely handled it in a better way than Clemens has. I just don't see how anyone can conclude that Clemens is telling the truth. At best for him, he's lied about small things (discussions with Pettitte, etc.) in an attempt to put out the smoke where there was legitimately no fire, and that's backfired on him. At worst, of course, is that it's all true and he thought the fact that he was Roger Clemens would give him undeniable credibility against someone like McNamee. The problem is, he is also, in effect, challenging George Mitchell, and his buddies in Congress aren't going to allow that to happy so easily.

[johnnyshaka]

Here we go!!

[johnnyshaka]

He better point his finger and shake it vigorously while saying he did not do drugs.

[rkmsuf]

clemens is really laying on the bs

[johnnyshaka]

BAH!!! No finger waving...boo.

[rkmsuf]

haha

the trainer says something like "thinking now, I've injected him more times than I originally recalled."

[johnnyshaka]

So, anybody think Clemens just might jump McNamee right there in the courtroom?

[RomaGoth]

Clemens is fucked. Even if none of this ends in a criminal charge, he's done.

As a Yankees fan, I always loathed Clemens when he was with Boston. When he signed with the Yanks, I tolerated him but still did not like him. Then he "retired" to Houston and that pissed me off. I felt that he stabbed the Yanks in the back by retiring but not retiring. With all this being said, I do not feel bad in the slightest by agreeing with you. I hate Roger Clemens for who he is. He is an asshole who deserves whatever he gets from all of this. He cheated, he got ratted on, and now he looks like a moron by denying it. Him and his butt-buddy Petite need to take a long walk off a short pier.

[RomaGoth]

So, anybody think Clemens just might jump McNamee right there in the courtroom?

Now THAT would be television gold. :D

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

LOL......I'm stunned. Instead of shutting his mouth, Clemons is actually blaming the Petitte quotes on a misunderstanding where they were discussing HGH on a TV show. What an idiot.

[johnnyshaka]

Clemens could've been a politician.

[DaddyTorgo]

As a Yankees fan, I always loathed Clemens when he was with Boston. When he signed with the Yanks, I tolerated him but still did not like him. Then he "retired" to Houston and that pissed me off. I felt that he stabbed the Yanks in the back by retiring but not retiring. With all this being said, I do not feel bad in the slightest by agreeing with you. I hate Roger Clemens for who he is. He is an asshole who deserves whatever he gets from all of this. He cheated, he got ratted on, and now he looks like a moron by denying it. Him and his butt-buddy Petite need to take a long walk off a short pier.

I was 7 years old in 1986 here in Boston, and Roger Clemens was like a god to me when he was in Boston. I had the same kind of broad-shouldered and stocky build as him, I was even a pitcher in Little League pretty much because of him. But as the years have gone on and I've grown up, I've realized what a dirtbag-asshole he truly is. Somewhat sad to see a childhood sports "hero" if you want to use that word, reduced to this, but that's life. There are no perfect people, as you learn when you grow up.

But Clemens is definately dead-to-me. Has been for years TBH. Pretty much since he showed up his last year in Boston a fat tub of lard and didn't even try and then cashed out and showed up the next year in Toronto looking all svelte and in-shape.

[Ksyrup]

They must have the University of Tennessee clock operator timing this 5 minute questioning period.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What the hell does it mean to 'misremember something'?

[Jas_lov]

This guy is hitting him hard with Pettitte's testimony. Clemens is making no sense whatsoever and he's crumbling before our very eyes. His only defense is that one wittness is a liar and the other wittness misremembers.

[rkmsuf]

Petite's wife with the statement for teh win!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

They must have the University of Tennessee clock operator timing this 5 minute questioning period.

I think it's 15, not 5.

[Ksyrup]

I think it's 15, not 5.

I thought he said they had 15 minutes total, and he was giving the first guy 5 minutes of it.

[DaddyTorgo]

booooo

let it go on for hours. i want to see Clemens break down and blubber like a baby

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

LOL......Clemons stumbles along for 14 minutes 30 seconds about misunderstanding. Congressman uses last 30 seconds to ask trainer if the incidents happens.

Answer: "Yes sir."

Classic stuff.

[RomaGoth]

I was 7 years old in 1986 here in Boston, and Roger Clemens was like a god to me when he was in Boston. I had the same kind of broad-shouldered and stocky build as him, I was even a pitcher in Little League pretty much because of him. But as the years have gone on and I've grown up, I've realized what a dirtbag-asshole he truly is. Somewhat sad to see a childhood sports "hero" if you want to use that word, reduced to this, but that's life. There are no perfect people, as you learn when you grow up.

But Clemens is definately dead-to-me. Has been for years TBH. Pretty much since he showed up his last year in Boston a fat tub of lard and didn't even try and then cashed out and showed up the next year in Toronto looking all svelte and in-shape.

Finally a Bostonian with something reasonable to say. I have not made it a secret that I dislike Boston teams, but you sir, make perfect sense and I will buy you a beer if we ever meet. Just not that Sam Adams shit. Seriously, does anybody in Massachusetts actually drink that crap?

[RomaGoth]

What the hell does it mean to 'misremember something'?

Does it mean to "mistakenly remember"? Or maybe he meant to say "dismember"? :confused:

[RomaGoth]

LOL......Clemons stumbles along for 14 minutes 30 seconds about misunderstanding. Congressman uses last 30 seconds to ask trainer if the incidents happens.

Answer: "Yes sir."

Classic stuff.

I am glad some of you can watch this and keep me updated. I am at work with no television.

[DaddyTorgo]

Finally a Bostonian with something reasonable to say. I have not made it a secret that I dislike Boston teams, but you sir, make perfect sense and I will buy you a beer if we ever meet. Just not that Sam Adams shit. Seriously, does anybody in Massachusetts actually drink that crap?


lol...reasonable to say in what sense?

re: Sam Adams - I'll drink it over Bud / Miller Lite or any of the other mass-produced stuff if I'm having a beer, but I definately prefer microbrews.

[DaddyTorgo]

I am glad some of you can watch this and keep me updated. I am at work with no television.

+1

[ISiddiqui]

Sam Adams is the bomb!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I am glad some of you can watch this and keep me updated. I am at work with no television.

I'm at work as well. I just brought up a video feed on Fox News and minimized it. Just listening to that feed.

[Dr. Sak]

Sam Adams is the bomb!

I believe there is a Sam Adams brewery right near me. I think they moved in when Rolling Rock moved out of Latrobe.

[RomaGoth]

I believe there is a Sam Adams brewery right near me. I think they moved in when Rolling Rock moved out of Latrobe.

LOL.

[RomaGoth]

I'm at work as well. I just brought up a video feed on Fox News and minimized it. Just listening to that feed.

Ummm.....I was very impressed that you had a tv at work. Now, I am slightly less impressed that you have the internet at your fingertips.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

These two agree on absolutely nothing....

Rep. Davis: Mr. Clemons, did you take B12?

Clemons: Yes, my mom turned me on to B12 vitamins. I remember (my trainer) giving me 3 shots of B12, one in Toronto and two in NY.

Rep. Davis: (Trainer), did you ever give Mr. Clemons B12 shots?

Trainer: The first I ever heard about Roger getting B12 was on 60 Minutes. I've never given Mr. Clemons a shot of B12.

[RomaGoth]

lol...reasonable to say in what sense?

re: Sam Adams - I'll drink it over Bud / Miller Lite or any of the other mass-produced stuff if I'm having a beer, but I definately prefer microbrews.

Well, most New England sports fans I have been in contact with have a very tenuous grasp on reality. The Red Sox DO NOT have a dynasty because they won 2 titles in 4 years. The Bruins DO still suck. The Patriots DO have a dynasty (even with their Super Bowl flop), but I DO hate them with every fiber of my being. The Celtics HAVE NOT won anything yet, and it is generally tiresome hearing about how great all of the New England teams are. By the nature of your previous posting in regards to slamming Clemens, you have removed yourself from the common Boston fan that says, "Clemens is being set up", or "Clemens is the greatest pitcher ever", or "Clemens never cheated, he just got better with age", etc... So yes, you sound like a reasonable Boston area fan, which is not too common from my experience. I still don't like Sam Adams, but microbrews are usually pretty good.

[wade moore]

I was 7 years old in 1986 here in Boston, and Roger Clemens was like a god to me when he was in Boston. I had the same kind of broad-shouldered and stocky build as him, I was even a pitcher in Little League pretty much because of him. But as the years have gone on and I've grown up, I've realized what a dirtbag-asshole he truly is. Somewhat sad to see a childhood sports "hero" if you want to use that word, reduced to this, but that's life. There are no perfect people, as you learn when you grow up.


I didn't grow up in Boston, but growing up in Northern Virigina I felt no loyalty to far away Baltimore. As a 7 year old I was just gaining interesting in professional sports and I was in awe of Roger Clemens. For years he was my favorite player and basically the reason I ever became interested in baseball. I didn't even care about what happened at the end in Boston so much since I was more a Clemens fan than a Boston fan.

This whole steroids incident has really crushed a childhood icon for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

gem from the next cubicle over as i relate the news: "Misremembering? that sounds like something a retarded person would say. Is that even a word?"

[RomaGoth]

gem from the next cubicle over as i relate the news: "Misremembering? that sounds like something a retarded person would say. Is that even a word?"

If Clemens hears that he will kick the guys ass. Or throw a bat at him.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well, most New England sports fans I have been in contact with have a very tenuous grasp on reality. The Red Sox DO NOT have a dynasty because they won 2 titles in 4 years. The Bruins DO still suck. The Patriots DO have a dynasty (even with their Super Bowl flop), but I DO hate them with every fiber of my being. The Celtics HAVE NOT won anything yet, and it is generally tiresome hearing about how great all of the New England teams are. By the nature of your previous posting in regards to slamming Clemens, you have removed yourself from the common Boston fan that says, "Clemens is being set up", or "Clemens is the greatest pitcher ever", or "Clemens never cheated, he just got better with age", etc... So yes, you sound like a reasonable Boston area fan, which is not too common from my experience. I still don't like Sam Adams, but microbrews are usually pretty good.

red sox: not a "dynasty" yet, but certainly on their way there (and no doubt a lot closer to one than any other MLB team right now)

bruins: will suck until Jacobs sells the team. Now with the salary cap and all, probably even after that.

patriots: dynasty, but i can certainly understand why others hate them (just for the love of god don't bring up the whole "spygate" thing as a reason. it's not like every other team doesn't do the same thing. the pats camera guy just "colored outside the lines" if you will).

celtics: haven't won anything YET, but are still the class of the NBA right now - and i think a lot of the excitement is because the franchise seems to have at least temporarily turned the corner and become relevent again, which is a big relief after the Len Bias incident, and the Reggie Lewis incident, and missing out on Tim Duncan. Can't blame the hoops fans for being excited to have something to cheer about after 20 years.

Clemens: Grade-A cheating douchebag. I hope the HoF bars him and they asterisk his name in the record books (along with Bonds).

[DaddyTorgo]

If Clemens hears that he will kick the guys ass. Or throw a bat at him.

it's a girl.

[Jas_lov]

Are you kidding me? Neither of these guys look very good. What a mess.

[RomaGoth]

it's a girl.

That may bother us, but Clemens? Not so much. She has been warned. ;)

[Jas_lov]

Congressman Burton was paid off by Clemens! McNamee getting exposed. We're not going to learn anything today with both looking so bad.

[DaddyTorgo]

That may bother us, but Clemens? Not so much. She has been warned. ;)

roid rage eh?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Congressman Burton was paid off by Clemens! McNamee getting exposed. We're not going to learn anything today with both looking so bad.

Does he really look all that bad? He lied to cover up for the players until they threatened to toss him in jail. Then he came clean. I'm not sure he's the nicest guy ever, but there was a reason that his previous statements were lies.

[Jas_lov]

The guy in the middle should just go home. Nobody knows who he is and nobody cares.

[rkmsuf]

Does he really look all that bad? He lied to cover up for the players until they threatened to toss him in jail. Then he came clean. I'm not sure he's the nicest guy ever, but there was a reason that his previous statements were lies.

Burton looked like a buffon and like clemens sucked him off to provide such a passionate diatribe.

[Jas_lov]

You're right Mizzou. I thought he was under oath for those lies, but he wasn't so it makes sense that he would protect his friends. Burton was obviously given a gift by Clemens in exchange for his tirade.

[Maple Leafs]

Clemens lawyer just got shot down in a big way.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Clemens lawyer just got shot down in a big way.

Yeah, that was pretty nice.

"No, just tell your client to answer the questions."

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Someone's been teaching Clemons big words.......

Clemons: "I've been doing every due diligent thing I can do............"

[Ksyrup]

I don't understand the "our side" stuff. Clemens has a "side" that is essentially representing/defending him among the Congressmen?

[14ers]

Did I just hear (R) Davis you the word Lynching....Is he a racist?


I thought it was decided that people were not allowed to use that word anymore.

[Jas_lov]

The guy in the middle finally gets asked a question 2 hours into the hearing.

[RomaGoth]

Wow, skimming through all your bullshit I found this.

LOL

[Maple Leafs]

The guy in the middle finally gets asked a question 2 hours into the hearing.
And the guy asking the question turns from "nice old man" to "vicous attack dog" on a dime.

[RomaGoth]

Don't know which Boston fans you've been talking to, but pretty much everyone f*cking hates the guy here and would like nothing more than for his career to be trashed.

It must just be the ones that don't live in Boston then. Or perhaps they are the ones that just like Clemens no matter what he does. Either way, the guy is a tool.

[14ers]

The guy in the middle should just go home. Nobody knows who he is and nobody cares.
Are you happy now?:)

[Anthony]

the thing i don't understand is couldn't this have been avoided if Clemens just admitted he used the drugs? couldn't he have basically bypassed these hearings and avoided perjuring himself and opening himself up to being prosecuted if he would've just said "yes, i did it, i accept i just forfeited my chance at the HOF and my career is tarnished...where do we go from here?". if he is ultimately lying, why go through this charade? cuz now he's on the stand. you don't do jailtime in the court of public opinion. i would've avoided Congress at all costs if at all possible.

[DaddyTorgo]

Don't know which Boston fans you've been talking to, but pretty much everyone f*cking hates the guy here and would like nothing more than for his career to be trashed.

I agree with Ronnie. Except I wouldn't use the *

[DaddyTorgo]

the thing i don't understand is couldn't this have been avoided if Clemens just admitted he used the drugs? couldn't he have basically bypassed these hearings and avoided perjuring himself and opening himself up to being prosecuted if he would've just said "yes, i did it, i accept i just forfeited my chance at the HOF and my career is tarnished...where do we go from here?". if he is ultimately lying, why go through this charade? cuz now he's on the stand. you don't do jailtime in the court of public opinion. i would've avoided Congress at all costs if at all possible.

that would require smarts, or listening to his lawyer, or not thinking he's god's gift to MLB.

[Anthony]

it's just silly considering how easy Pettite got off. he admitted his using HGH and didn't even get a slap on the wrist both from Congress or public opinion. and some people in Congress are actually hailing him as an upstanding individual and an honest man. i just can't figure out why Clemens couldn't have gone that route.

[saldana]

the thing i don't understand is couldn't this have been avoided if Clemens just admitted he used the drugs? couldn't he have basically bypassed these hearings and avoided perjuring himself and opening himself up to being prosecuted if he would've just said "yes, i did it, i accept i just forfeited my chance at the HOF and my career is tarnished...where do we go from here?". if he is ultimately lying, why go through this charade? cuz now he's on the stand. you don't do jailtime in the court of public opinion. i would've avoided Congress at all costs if at all possible.

i think you are failing to factor in the massive ego/superiority/invulnerability complex that i am sure clemens has (as do most highly successful athletes..i consider it actually necessary to acheive what they are able to do). i dont think his ego would ever allow him to admit he did anything other than just work hard and win....mcnamee could pull out a video of him jamming the needle into rogers ass, and clemens would say it was someone elses butt.

also for those stuck at work, i have been following along on Jason Stark's blog....its been pretty good so far

[Jas_lov]

Clemens probably wanted to try and clear his name without taking too much risk of a perjury charge because it was just his word against McNamee's, and make an appeal to the HOF voters.

[Travis]

it's just silly considering how easy Pettite got off. he admitted his using HGH and didn't even get a slap on the wrist both from Congress or public opinion. and some people in Congress are actually hailing him as an upstanding individual and an honest man. i just can't figure out why Clemens couldn't have gone that route.

This is the same guy who tried to convince people he mistook a broken bat for a ball. Painting himself in any sort of bad light is apparently not an option for him and the consequences of any immediate explanations just don't seem to occur to him.

[Logan]

You can't compare the two guys, because (removing steroids from the discussion) down the road, Pettite will be remembered as a very good pitcher by baseball fans, but not HOF worthy. Yankee fans will always love him for his ability to win damn near every Game 2 playoff he pitched in. That's it though. Clemens has a lot more to lose.

[Anthony]

it's not just his word against McNamee's, its his vs McNamee's and Pettite's which apparently confirms McNamee's side of things.


clearing your name isn't worth so much when the consequences for failing to do so involve jail time. at some point, if i was faced in a similar situation i would just say "to hell with this, no matter what i say at this point the public has bascially made their mind up, no sense in risking jailtime for this. it was a good career, i don't need the HOF to validate it."

[14ers]

Who is lying now?

(D) Maloney:
The statement on the overhead read: "I would have went to see him", but Maloney change the words and read it as, "I would have wanted to see him".


Isn't this a form of lying on her part?

[Logan]

it's not just his word against McNamee's, its his vs McNamee's and Pettite's which apparently confirms McNamee's side of things.


clearing your name isn't worth so much when the consequences for failing to do so involve jail time. at some point, if i was faced in a similar situation i would just say "to hell with this, no matter what i say at this point the public has bascially made their mind up, no sense in risking jailtime for this. it was a good career, i don't need the HOF to validate it."

Clearly, you (and everyone else in the world) and Roger Clemens think differently.

[Anthony]

Clemens has a lot more to lose.

yeah, like his Goddamn freedom for lying under oath.

[RomaGoth]

that would require smarts, or listening to his lawyer, or not thinking he's god's gift to MLB.

+1

[saldana]

it's not just his word against McNamee's, its his vs McNamee's and Pettite's which apparently confirms McNamee's side of things.


clearing your name isn't worth so much when the consequences for failing to do so involve jail time. at some point, if i was faced in a similar situation i would just say "to hell with this, no matter what i say at this point the public has bascially made their mind up, no sense in risking jailtime for this. it was a good career, i don't need the HOF to validate it."

dont forget knoblauch...its apparently actually 3 against 1

[Logan]

yeah, like his Goddamn freedom for lying under oath.

Congress said they'll pursue perjury charges against Clemens if they feel he's lying, but absent of any "smoking gun" which we've yet to see, that will be very hard to prove. It's still the word of one against the word of many.

Bonds, on the other hand, failed a steroid test, which is why he was brought up on perjury charges.

[rkmsuf]

Clemens nanny for teh win!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Holy s#%^! Clemons is getting run through the ringer right now. Clemons brought his former nanny over to his home to talk about what 'she remembered' about some of the facts relevant to the case after the congressman wanted to talk to her. This move alone could lead to obstruction or cohersion.

Clemons' lawyer is trying to come to his defense, but it's not working well.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Clemens nanny for teh win!

My favorite part is where Clemons is saying he was trying to do the committee 'a favor' by talking with the nanny to find out what she knew.

[Crapshoot]

Dear god, this is sanctimonious crap of the highest nature.

[st.cronin]

I think my favorite part is Clemens throwing his wife under the bus. "Yes, my wife was using hgh, but I don't know anything about that stuff."

[rkmsuf]

I think my favorite part is Clemens throwing his wife under the bus. "Yes, my wife was using hgh, but I don't know anything about that stuff."

I like how mcnamme snuck in his house and injected his wife in their bedroom without roger knowing.

[Dr. Sak]

I like how mcnamme snuck in his house and injected his wife in their bedroom without roger knowing.

It's called a midnight stealth

[st.cronin]

I like how mcnamme snuck in his house and injected his wife in their bedroom without roger knowing.

Lucky for Mac it wasn't a hot beef injection. Then he really would have been in trouble.

[MikeVic]

So can Clemens go to jail if he's lying?

[st.cronin]

So can Clemens go to jail if he's lying?

God I hope so.

[Dr. Sak]

So we got it straight that Clemens will continue to be a pitcher in jail...so does that means Bonds will switch to catcher?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

So can Clemens go to jail if he's lying?

Absolutely. It's not different than the Barry Bonds situation. He'd be lying under oath.

[rkmsuf]

BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Congresswoman: "With all you've been through Mr.Clemens I'm sure you are going to heaven. Thank you."

[Anthony]

So can Clemens go to jail if he's lying?

When a person is charged and convicted of perjury, they can face criminal penalties including significant fines and incarceration. Each state has their own laws regarding perjury and its consequences. The federal government has a few separate statutes for the crime of perjury. Under federal law, if a person intentionally and willfully states or subscribes any material matter which s/he does not reasonably believe to be true, may be charged with perjury. If convicted of this perjury, the defendant can face a significant fine and up to five years in jail. The same penalty is possible for a subornation of perjury conviction.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I haven't been watching (at work) but have been following... wouldn't the nanny thing also potentially be witness tampering?

Obstruction of justice is also a possible situation.

[SnDvls]

My favorite part is where Clemons is saying he was trying to do the committee 'a favor' by talking with the nanny to find out what she knew.

man his lawyers went all ape crap on this it was great.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

man his lawyers went all ape crap on this it was great.

His lawyer was in attack/panic mode. They didn't see that coming at all. You could tell from Clemons response that he was caught off-guard. I loved the congressman's final comment on it...........

Clemons: With all due repect to the congressman, I find this to be very disappointing that my integrity is being attacked in this way......

Congressman: Well, I'm not saying that you did anything wrong by talking with the nanny, but it certainly does give a hint of impropriety, doesn't it????????

[rkmsuf]

Fucking Mike Lupica standing there in the chambers. What a turd.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Can we all agree at this point that Clemons agreeing to talk in a public hearing might have been one of the worst blunders you've ever seen?

[Travis]

Can we all agree at this point that Clemons agreeing to talk in a public hearing might have been one of the worst blunders you've ever seen?

If by worst you mean gloriously fantastic, then yes, I agree.

Oh, you meant for him...

[BigPapi]

Wow, skimming through all your bullshit I found this.

Don't know which Boston fans you've been talking to, but pretty much everyone f*cking hates the guy here and would like nothing more than for his career to be trashed.

Agreed. You are seriously out of touch if you think there is any love lost for Clemens in Boston.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Congressman: Mr. Clemons, have you ever been a vegan?

Clemons: I'm not sure I know what that is.

****crowd laughs****

[RomaGoth]

Can we all agree at this point that Clemons agreeing to talk in a public hearing might have been one of the worst blunders you've ever seen?

Yes for him. Great for us. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Lathum]

I my actuly use youtube for the first time to watch this stuff.

[rkmsuf]

get this crazy lady off

[saldana]

I my actuly use youtube for the first time for something other than porn to watch this stuff.

fixed that for ya

[rkmsuf]

get this bitch off!

[rkmsuf]

hahaha

suck it granny, you got gaveled!

[Atocep]

Just got home and turned this on about 20 minutes ago.

Has Clemens strategy the entire time been to pass himself off as an uninformed, uneducated idiot?

[rkmsuf]

Just got home and turned this on about 20 minutes ago.

Has Clemens strategy the entire time been to pass himself off as an uninformed, uneducated idiot?

yes, dufus defense

[Young Drachma]

Fucking Mike Lupica standing there in the chambers. What a turd.

+1

He's probably writing another book or something.

[Atocep]

Wow, this is painful to watch.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

hahaha

suck it granny, you got gaveled!

That was awesome.

[Lathum]

There is no pron on you tube.

Or so I've been told.

[rkmsuf]

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[SnDvls]

Rev. Clemens is preaching again

[Logan]

You guys are doing a bad job at telling us what exactly you're so shocked about.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

There is no pron on you tube.

Or so I've been told.

People go to pornotube.com or megarotic.com for that kind of filth.

Or so I've been told.

[rkmsuf]

Waxman has had it with the bullshit.

[saldana]

You guys are doing a bad job at telling us what exactly you're so shocked about.

+1

how about some actual play by play for those of us that are missing the festivities.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

LOL......Clemons just got gaveled as well when he tried to butt into Waxman's final statement. I'm guessing that because Waxman was thanking the trainer for his cooperation while blasting Clemons and baseball as a whole.

[rkmsuf]

LOL......Clemons just got gaveled as well when he tried to butt into Waxman's final statement. I'm guessing that because Waxman was thanking the trainer for his cooperation while blasting Clemons and baseball as a whole.

LOL, he even apologized to McName and told Clemens to STFU.

[lighthousekeeper]

The only thing I learned from this is that Legislators make horribly inept prosecutors.

[rkmsuf]

The only thing I learned from this is that Legislators make horribly inept prosecutors.

I learned that Andy Pettite has really bad hearing.

[Dr. Sak]

People go to pornotube.com or megarotic.com for that kind of filth.

Or so I've been told.

redtube

[Huckleberry]

The only thing I learned from this is that Legislators make horribly inept prosecutors.

I also learned that Clemens is difficult to spell for some people. :D

[saldana]

I also learned that Clemens is difficult to spell for some people. :D

i learned that "misremembered" is a word....i am gonna send nasty emails to all my elementary english teachers for not properly preparing me for life with an adequate vocabulary.

[Maple Leafs]

i learned that "misremembered" is a word....i am gonna send nasty emails to all my elementary english teachers for not properly preparing me for life with an adequate vocabulary.
Maybe they did, but you just misknowledged it.

[Izulde]

I wish I didn't have so much crap to do today... This sounds like it was an awesome circus to watch.

If heartbreaking, because I'm one of those guys who loved watching Clemens pitch when I was a kid.

[Dr. Sak]

I wish I didn't have so much crap to do today... This sounds like it was an awesome circus to watch..

Wait was Chelsey Clinton at your school again!?!?!

[Atocep]

I learned that Andy Pettite has really bad hearing.

He does have really good mismemory, though.

[Easy Mac]

redtube

overrated like Anthony Morelli's arm.

yuvutu ftw

[Easy Mac]

I learned that Andy Pettite has really bad herring.

obligatory troutish joke

[Passacaglia]

wow, his dictionary.com page is already updated!

mis·re·mem·ber /ˌmɪsrɪˈmɛmbər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mis-ri-mem-ber] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object) 1. to remember incorrectly.
2. to fail to remember; forget.

[Thomkal]

Well that was certainly the circus I expected. I went back and forth in who I believed and who I didn't. At first the fact that both Pettite and Knoblauch (who sadly was one of my favorite players) coerborated the testimony McNamee gave in the Mitchell Report and then even offered more over that seemed a strong case for McNamee. Then Pettite claiming Clemens told him he was using HGH and Roger's pitiful response to that.

Then all of McNamee's lies being brought back to haunt him and the testimony of several people that Clemens was not at Canseco's house like McNamee said seemed very damning for McNamee. Then McNamee talking about their nanny and the Clemens being there made me doubt all that.(sadly I missed the part where they really grilled Clemens about the nanny)

That stuff about Clemens wife using HGH seems pretty damning for Clemens too. I mean they never over the course of their marriage discussed it given what was happening in baseball and she used it only because McNamee said it would restore her youthfulness? She must have thought at least her husband was using it if McNamee was the one telling her about it. And wasn't there something in the beginning about McNamee still being paid by Clemens as of like 2007? After giving his wife HGH which he claims he would never ever use?

And I must say Clemens attornies did a horrible job preparing him for his testimony. He lost most of the bluster and confidence he's shown since this whole fiasco began, and seemed to be searching for the best possible answer he could give without getting himself in trouble. His lawyers should have drilled him on a timeline of events, likely questions that Congress would ask and how to respond to them with better answers than "He must have misremembered."

I think for me to know for sure one way or the other is either through a lie detector test or if foresnic science is advanced enough to process the DNA on the needles and such McNamee provided and be able to date it conclusively to the times McNamee said he gave Clemens all that stuff, and the same with all the steriods and HGH that were in those needles.

I also thought the lead Congressman painting Petittle in such glowing terms was horrible.

[Thomkal]

I'm sorry, I haven't had the time here at work to parse all the testimony, but what lies McNamee told came back to haunt him? Any that couldn't be explained by his desire to protect people until he was under legal obligation to tell the truth?

What I meant there is actually a part I missed but heard the ESPN guys talking about later about the one congressman who basically read a list of McNamee's lies so if I'm wrong about that, please correct me. I understand the reasoning he's giving for lying, but the fact remains its still lying and hurts his credibility.

[SirFozzie]

"If I am guilty of anything, it is of being too trusting of everyone, wanting to see the best in everyone and being too nice to everyone

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

That is the biggest lie ever told in Congress, a hallowed bastion of lying :)

[st.cronin]

"too nice"

That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

[RomaGoth]

I also thought the lead Congressman painting Petittle in such glowing terms was horrible.

Was this intentional? In any case, it is hilarious. :D

[RomaGoth]

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

That is the biggest lie ever told in Congress, a hallowed bastion of lying :)

I have a couple other ones for you:

"I am not a crook" :eek:
"I have never used steroids. Period." :rolleyes:

Welcome to the hallowed club of lying cheaters, Mr. Roger Clemens.

[Thomkal]

Was this intentional? In any case, it is hilarious. :D

I wish I could say it was intentional, but unlike McNamee and Clemens, I won't lie. :) Just a typo alas

[14ers]

I really liked the part when Clemens started sobbing up about wearing USA on his jersey. I was like what does this story have to do with not meeting with Sen Mitchell?

[wade moore]

For the love of god can someone PLEASE teach MBBF how to spell Clemens?

[gottimd]

http://images.sportsbybrooks.com/6/5/6520c0130e76b878231b774d58fc1671_clemenstookitinthebutt.jpg

[miami_fan]

So did his wife....well at least from McNamee she did;)

[Dr. Sak]

Please tell me that is real?

[miami_fan]

Please tell me that is real?

Yes, it is from the day after the Mitchell report release.

[CraigSca]

Congressman: Mr. Clemons, have you ever been a vegan?

Clemons: I'm not sure I know what that is.

****crowd laughs****

Clemons and Ripkin are my two favorite players.

[RomaGoth]

Clemons and Ripkin are my two favorite players.

Do you mean Clemens and Ripken? :confused:

[Dr. Sak]

I think he was ripping on the way MBBF was spelling...

[RomaGoth]

I think he was ripping on the way MBBF was spelling...

Well, now that makes sense......

[gottimd]

Clemons = Cleo Lemon

[Izulde]

Clemons, make lemonade.

[MikeVic]

Clemons, make lemonade.

This made me chuckle.

[Ksyrup]

If this turns out to be what this person claims, Clemens is officially toast. Doesn't even matter if all he did was eat a couple appetizers and leave.

I also read that an initial draft of Canseco's book (couldn't tell if they were referring to the original book, or the new one he's shopping) discussed this party and Clemens being there.


New photographic Clemens evidence
Posted: Friday February 22, 2008 05:26AM ET

As the congressional committee that spent nine weeks considering Roger Clemens' attack on the Mitchell Report now quietly mulls referring the entire matter to the Justice Department, federal investigators seasoned in the anti-doping game are ready to hit the ground running. Their leads could include new photographic evidence that has emerged to potentially undermine Clemens' sworn testimony that he did not attend a 1998 party at the home of his then-teammate Jose Canseco - a party that figured both in the Mitchell Report and the Feb.13 public hearing in Washington. The photo is owned by a young man who attended the party when he was 11 years old and took photos of his baseball heroes, including Clemens. Richard Emery, one of the lawyers for Clemens accuser Brian McNamee, was aware that such evidence had been circulating this week.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

If this turns out to be what this person claims, Clemens is officially toast. Doesn't even matter if all he did was eat a couple appetizers and leave.

I also read that an initial draft of Canseco's book (couldn't tell if they were referring to the original book, or the new one he's shopping) discussed this party and Clemens being there.


New photographic Clemens evidence
Posted: Friday February 22, 2008 05:26AM ET

As the congressional committee that spent nine weeks considering Roger Clemens' attack on the Mitchell Report now quietly mulls referring the entire matter to the Justice Department, federal investigators seasoned in the anti-doping game are ready to hit the ground running. Their leads could include new photographic evidence that has emerged to potentially undermine Clemens' sworn testimony that he did not attend a 1998 party at the home of his then-teammate Jose Canseco - a party that figured both in the Mitchell Report and the Feb.13 public hearing in Washington. The photo is owned by a young man who attended the party when he was 11 years old and took photos of his baseball heroes, including Clemens. Richard Emery, one of the lawyers for Clemens accuser Brian McNamee, was aware that such evidence had been circulating this week.

I'm shocked. I just can't believe it.

[Ryan S]

If this turns out to be what this person claims, Clemens is officially toast. Doesn't even matter if all he did was eat a couple appetizers and leave.

Unless there is anything in the picture that can accurately pin down the date of the photo I doubt that it would make any significant difference to this case. (and in a legal case like this, I would be looking for more than just a date stamp on the bottom of the picture)

[RPI-Fan]

Unless there is anything in the picture that can accurately pin down the date of the photo I doubt that it would make any significant difference to this case. (and in a legal case like this, I would be looking for more than just a date stamp on the bottom of the picture)

Umm I think it makes a huge difference. If they have Clemens in a picture with other people, and then other pictures of those people clearly in the same clothes @ the same place, who testify that they were in fact there, there's little arguing about Clemens...

[rowech]

He's going to be undone by an 11 year old fanboy.

[Maple Leafs]

Unless there is anything in the picture that can accurately pin down the date of the photo I doubt that it would make any significant difference to this case. (and in a legal case like this, I would be looking for more than just a date stamp on the bottom of the picture)
Canseco was only in Toronto for one year. I doubt he was hosting too many mid-season pool parties for teammates at his home in Miami.

[Maple Leafs]

According to Emery young man who was about 10 or 11 years old at the time attended the party and took a picture with Clemens.

...

According to a person who has spoken to the young man's family, he is from Florida and playing baseball in college. Emery declined to divulge the man's name.

Wait a second, people who were 10 years old in 1998 are in college now? WTF?

Dear god, I'm nintey years old.

[Ksyrup]

Unless there is anything in the picture that can accurately pin down the date of the photo I doubt that it would make any significant difference to this case. (and in a legal case like this, I would be looking for more than just a date stamp on the bottom of the picture)

I don't care much about the legal case. Really, that would just be gravy. This is about evidence that gives people a reason to believe McNamee over Clemens. His attendance at this party was such a huge issue at the hearing, if this picture is legit and can be proven to have been taken at the party, it's over. It doesn't even matter what the significance of the party ends up being, McNamee says one thing, Clemens says another, and this may prove McNamee right. And if he's right about this, and Clemens has flimsy arguments refuting the other stuff, I think the balance swings massively to McNamee's favor.

[Fidatelo]

I still don't get why McNamee would lie about it in the first place. He's forced to names a few names and all of it is legit except he also decides to throw in Clemens just for fun?

[bhlloy]

On the other hand, why the hell does Clemens take a stand on this when if he's lying, there are so many people that can call him out on it? Sure he knows Canseco will vouch for him, but all it takes is one random to say "Yes, Clemens was there and I will swear under oath that I saw him/had a conversation with him" and the house of cards falls down. Not to mention a photo that can be put together with other pieces of evidence to make a pretty nice perjury case. Didn't he think people had cameras at this party? Didn't he think that for some people there, they would always remember the day that they met Roger Clemens?

I still think Clemens is 100% a steroid user, but I don't trust McNamee either. And I just don't get why any person with half a brain would choose to make a stand on whether or not he was at a very public event. If he is lying, I hope they nail his ass for stupidity as much as perjury.

[Horizon]

Unless there is anything in the picture that can accurately pin down the date of the photo I doubt that it would make any significant difference to this case. (and in a legal case like this, I would be looking for more than just a date stamp on the bottom of the picture)
Really? Clemens testified to congress that not only did he not attend the party, but he also had never been to Conseco's house. A picture of Clemens standing in Conseco's backyard would not convince you that Clemens was lying?

[RainMaker]

I'm just amazed that a guy with a wife and family would risk spending time in prison to try and save some face with fans. I mean almost everyone believes Clemens used steroids, why the fuck wouldn't you just plead the 5th for all the questions and keep yourself out of jail?

[Ryan S]

Really? Clemens testified to congress that not only did he not attend the party, but he also had never been to Conseco's house. A picture of Clemens standing in Conseco's backyard would not convince you that Clemens was lying?

I did not realise that Clemens had said that he had never visited Canseco's house. I highly doubt that they can prove Clemens was at the party in question, but if they can prove he was ever at Canseco's house, regardless of whether it was in 95/96 (Team mates with the Red Sox), 98 (with the Blue Jays) or 2000 (With the Yankees) it hurts Roger's credibility.

I am pretty sceptical about any claims made by Clemen's or McNamee's lawyers at this stage anyway, as they both have their own agendas.

[rowech]

I did not realise that Clemens had said that he had never visited Canseco's house. I highly doubt that they can prove Clemens was at the party in question, but if they can prove he was ever at Canseco's house, regardless of whether it was in 95/96 (Team mates with the Red Sox), 98 (with the Blue Jays) or 2000 (With the Yankees) it hurts Roger's credibility.

I am pretty sceptical about any claims made by Clemen's or McNamee's lawyers at this stage anyway, as they both have their own agendas.

If they can prove he was at Canseco's house, he's going to jail for perjury.

[Logan]

I still think Clemens is 100% a steroid user, but I don't trust McNamee either. And I just don't get why any person with half a brain would choose to make a stand on whether or not he was at a very public event. If he is lying, I hope they nail his ass for stupidity as much as perjury.

You think too highly of Clemens.

[Ryan S]

If they can prove he was at Canseco's house, he's going to jail for perjury.

I was a little doubtful of this, so I checked the deposition. Clemens suggests that he may have visited the house before as he regularly played golf nearby. He said that he did not think that he had visited the house in 98, but that answer is vague enough that it could mean anything.

Based on that, they need to pin the photo down to an exact date to prove perjury, and even if they can prove the date, a comment made in his testimony could be enough to get him off the hook.

"So could I have gone by (Canseco's) house later that afternoon and dropped my wife or her brother-in-law, the people that golfed with me? Sure, I could have. But at the time of the day that I would have expressed it to be, I was on my way to the ballpark. I know one thing. I wasn't there having huddled up with somebody trying to do a drug deal. I know that for sure."

[14ers]

"So could I have gone by (Canseco's) house later that afternoon and dropped my wife or her brother-in-law, the people that golfed with me? Sure, I could have. But at the time of the day that I would have expressed it to be, I was on my way to the ballpark. I know one thing. I wasn't there having huddled up with somebody trying to do a drug deal. I know that for sure."
Was this comment made before or after the Nanny bombshell?

I seem to remember Roger being 100% certain that neither he or his wife had ever been to Conseco's house before the Senator read the Nanny's testimony into the record.

Didn't Roger first claim that both him and his wife were golfing that day and that neither one could have attended the party anyway? Now he is claiming that it was just his wife who attended the party and not him. He simply dropped her off and left? Man, Clemen's wife sure does some bad things... first she take HGH behind his back, and now she is going to steroid partys behind his back, or is it that Roger just likes blaming his wife for everything he does?

I didn't do that my wife did. :)

[Atocep]

I was a little doubtful of this, so I checked the deposition. Clemens suggests that he may have visited the house before as he regularly played golf nearby. He said that he did not think that he had visited the house in 98, but that answer is vague enough that it could mean anything.

Based on that, they need to pin the photo down to an exact date to prove perjury, and even if they can prove the date, a comment made in his testimony could be enough to get him off the hook.

"So could I have gone by (Canseco's) house later that afternoon and dropped my wife or her brother-in-law, the people that golfed with me? Sure, I could have. But at the time of the day that I would have expressed it to be, I was on my way to the ballpark. I know one thing. I wasn't there having huddled up with somebody trying to do a drug deal. I know that for sure."


Here's exactly what was said. He clearly states that he wasn't at the party in question:

Q Jose Canseco was playing for the Blue Jays in 1998.
On or about June 8 to 10, 1998, the Toronto Blue Jays played
an away series with the Florida Marlins. McNamee attended a
lunch party that Canseco hosted at his home in Miami.
McNamee stated that, during this luncheon, he observed
Clemens, Canseco, and another person he did not know meeting
inside Canseco's house, although McNamee did not personally
attend that meeting. Canseco told members of my
investigative staff that he had numerous conversations with
Clemens about the benefits of Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol
and how to cycle and stack steroids. Canseco has made
similar statements publicly.
What is accurate or not accurate about that paragraph?

A Well, first of all, it is very offensive. Because
Brian McNamee has me being a drug dealer. And, second of
all, I never was at the party.

Q Let me ask a couple -- you said you were not -- you
were not at this -- you weren't at this party?

A That's correct.

Q Have you ever been to Mr. Canseco's home?

A I may have. I know I wasn't at a Toronto Blue Jay party, though. I may have been at -- I may have been at --
I know I played golf down at Westin, the golf course. It is
down in that area. So -- he talks about, again, these
steroids. I couldn't tell you all the first thing about
cycled or stacked or -- and Canseco's statements, I have
never heard that.

Q Right. I think before -- this, by the way --

A I am sorry?

Q This, by the way, I believe, is Mr. Canseco saying
this to -- Canseco told members of my investigative staff.
I think that is Canseco speaking to Senator Mitchell's
staff.
Let me just go back here. So you have or you haven't
been to Mr. Canseco's house?

A I sure could have been. I wasn't here at this -- at
a party that he had. I could have gone by there after a
golf outing. So -- but I was not at this party.

Q And could you have been at his house during this
time period, June 8th to 10, 1998?

A No.

Q Why do you say that?

A I wasn't at the party. I know I wasn't at the
party.
If the photo pins it down to a specific day, he's in some trouble and his legal team realizes it because they released this statement (after news of the potential photo broke) in an attempt to get him some more wiggle room:

"Roger was playing golf at the time of the party, and has stated that he may have stopped by the Canseco house after playing golf before heading to the ballpark for the game,"

[Ryan S]

Was this comment made before or after the Nanny bombshell?

The specific quote was made during the session in Congress, I don't know if it was before or after the nanny question.

However, Clemens said he could not remember if he had ever visited Canseco's house in his deposition (before the nanny question)

He has never said that he has not been to Canseco's house, he only categorically denied being a guest at the party.

[Ryan S]

If the photo pins it down to a specific day, he's in some trouble and his legal team realizes it because they released this statement (after news of the potential photo broke) in an attempt to get him some more wiggle room:

FWIW, Clemens gave them this opening with his comments during his testimony. He probably did not even realise it, but he covered his ass with his "dropping people off" comment.

I think it is unlikely that anyone is going to be charged with perjury in this case unless some compelling evidence appears that proves Clemens used steroids or McNamee lied.

[Atocep]

FWIW, Clemens gave them this opening with his comments during his testimony. He probably did not even realise it, but he covered his ass with his "dropping people off" comment.

I think it is unlikely that anyone is going to be charged with perjury in this case unless some compelling evidence appears that proves Clemens used steroids or McNamee lied.

I agree. I just don't see the feds pushing this case much more than it already has. Neither Clemens nor McNamee have proven to be the most truthful individuals and unless someone else steps forward with damning evidence either way it isn't going anywhere.

I do think its becoming clear that Clemens has, at best, been less than forthcoming and, at worst, flat out lied. Even the rare Clemens supporter would have to admit that it appears he's covering something up at this point.

[Maple Leafs]

It wouldn't be that hard to know whether the photo showed Clemens at "The Party" or some other time. Just ask to see any photos of the same party that include recognizable members of the Blue Jays, their front office or media. Canseco probably hosted plenty of pool parties, but only one for the Blue Jays.

[Horizon]

I agree. I just don't see the feds pushing this case much more than it already has. Neither Clemens nor McNamee have proven to be the most truthful individuals and unless someone else steps forward with damning evidence either way it isn't going anywhere.

They have all the physical evidence that McNamee turned over. IF the DNA shows they have Clemens blood, Steroids and no trace of B-12 is found wouldn't that be proof?

IF there is no trace of B12 in any of the syringes, pads, or vials that Mcnamee turned over to the Feds doesn't this prove hat Clemens is lying about his B12 shots?

[miked]

They have all the physical evidence that McNamee turned over. IF the DNA shows they have Clemens blood, Steroids and no trace of B-12 is found wouldn't that be proof?

IF there is no trace of B12 in any of the syringes, pads, or vials that Mcnamee turned over to the Feds doesn't this prove hat Clemens is lying about his B12 shots?

LOL. That is silliness, none of those would be admissable in court. He obviously took the juice, but those syringes haven't exactly been stored cleanly with a trusting individual.

[Ryan S]

They have all the physical evidence that McNamee turned over. IF the DNA shows they have Clemens blood, Steroids and no trace of B-12 is found wouldn't that be proof?

IF there is no trace of B12 in any of the syringes, pads, or vials that Mcnamee turned over to the Feds doesn't this prove hat Clemens is lying about his B12 shots?

It would not be anywhere near enough to convict because a)It would be almost impossible to figure out if the traces of blood and steroids were from the same date or one was added later, and b)It's not like this evidence has been stored in lab conditions for 10 years, the evidence was in the possession of McNamee, and could easily have been tampered with.

[miked]

It wouldn't be that hard to know whether the photo showed Clemens at "The Party" or some other time. Just ask to see any photos of the same party that include recognizable members of the Blue Jays, their front office or media. Canseco probably hosted plenty of pool parties, but only one for the Blue Jays.

Obviously he's in the shady territory, but if you REALLY think that collecting pictures of the party and looking for the same people in the photo of Clemens actually proves anything...

[14ers]

It would not be anywhere near enough to convict because a)It would be almost impossible to figure out if the traces of blood and steroids were from the same date or one was added later,

OK I'll bite, if you are claiming that McNamee added the steroids to the blood samples after he injected Clemens, just how did McNamee manage to remove all the B12 molecules from Clemens's blood before adding the steroids? I am not sure that this seperation could even be done in a lab, let alone by a guy in his basement, who received his degree from some mail order diploma-mill.


Clemens is claiming that all this evidence is from his B12 injects and McNamee claims that he never injected Clemens with B12, so it should be pretty easy to find out if one of them is lying. Can't they just test the evidence to find out if there is any sign of the B12.

[larrymcg421]

Obviously he's in the shady territory, but if you REALLY think that collecting pictures of the party and looking for the same people in the photo of Clemens actually proves anything...

It will prove that he's a liar, and that will be the final nail in his reputation.

[Ryan S]

OK I'll bite, if you are claiming that McNamee added the steroids to the blood samples after he injected Clemens, just how did McNamee manage to remove all the B12 molecules from Clemens's blood before adding the steroids? I am not sure that this seperation could even be done in a lab, let alone by a guy in his basement, who received his degree from some mail order diploma-mill.


I am not claiming anything, I am merely saying that I think it would be impossible to prove anything based on possibly tainted blood samples.

I have not been defending Clemens here, I am merely pointing out that the chance of either Clemens or McNamee going to prison for perjury based on the testimony and evidence produced so far is pretty slim.

[Chubby]

This is like the Bonds argument. Some people are going to so blindly defend their heroes that even Clemens comes out and admits he took PED's, they will rationalize that he is only admitting it for PR/legal reasons and that he only did it once or something foolish...

[miked]

This is like the Bonds argument. Some people are going to so blindly defend their heroes that even Clemens comes out and admits he took PED's, they will rationalize that he is only admitting it for PR/legal reasons and that he only did it once or something foolish...

I was a big Rocket fan and realize he, like 30-50% of major leaguers, probably took some form of PEDs. I also think he's lying through his teeth. But that doesn't change the fact that pictures and 7 year old syringes won't do much good in court, especially when he's admitted to probably being at Canseco's house at some points in time, maybe even the day in question.

[Thomkal]

Just in case you somehow missed it, the Congressional committee decided to go ahead and ask the Justice Department to see if there's enough evidence to bring up perjury charges against Clemens.

And in a somewhat bizarre footnote, another major league player has come forward to confirm something that was in McNamee's testimony to Congress about why he remembered Clemens being at the Canseco barbecue. The player told the congressional committee that Clemens joked about the party in the clubhouse and in particular the part where his wife and Canseco's wife compared the results of their surgically enhanced breasts. Lovely.

[Ryan S]

Just in case you somehow missed it, the Congressional committee decided to go ahead and ask the Justice Department to see if there's enough evidence to bring up perjury charges against Clemens.

I think that this was inevitable. After all, with two guys making totally contradictory statements, you know for certain that someone is lying. Finding the admissible evidence to prove it is the tricky part.

[sterlingice]

FYI, can we officially declare that people don't believe Bonds and don't like him not because he's black but because he's an asshat?

Just like Clemens.

SI

[dime]

FYI, can we officially declare that people don't believe Bonds and don't like him not because he's black but because he's an asshat?

Just like Clemens.

SI


if bonds goes to jail for perjury, etc and clemens gets a pardon from his "friend" GW Bush it will only validate the bonds defenders. both of these guys should go to jail; clemens especially disgusts me because he insisted on having this congressional hearing and then lied through his teeth the entire time. letting that slide would be a bad precedent.

[Logan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/04/27/2008-04-27_sources_roger_clemens_had_10year_fling_w.html

Roger Clemens carried on a decade-long affair with country star Mindy McCready, a romance that began when McCready was a 15-year-old aspiring singer performing in a karaoke bar and Clemens was a 28-year-old Red Sox ace and married father of two, several sources have told the Daily News.

[Fidatelo]

Ok that's gross.

[MikeVic]

What!!!

[Thomkal]

god even Hollywood couldn't write a more bizarre story than all this

[Surtt]

No wonder she ended up so screwed up...

[Eaglesfan27]

Clemens just passed Bonds on the asshat meter (by a very large margin.)

[MikeVic]

Clemens just passed Bonds on the asshat meter (by a very large margin.)

The two "best" players from the recent years are both asshats. :(

[Maple Leafs]

Clemens just passed Bonds on the asshat meter (by a very large margin.)
Didn't Bonds smack his girlfriends around?

On the other hand, at least they weren't teenagers.

Tough call.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Talk about your really random celebrity connection ... sheesh.

And given McCready's past problems, this is actually pretty believable stuff.

[rkmsuf]

Clemens gave her the high hard one.

[gstelmack]

You forgot "inside".

[kcchief19]

It's been said before but needs to be said again ... someone has to save Roger Clemens from himself. He's going to be living in a van down by the river at the rate he's going.

He's not going to win this lawsuit against McNamee ... and you have to imagine this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is McNamee's lawyers leaking something to try and get Roger to drop it. They're not going to show their whole hand at this point.

What does Roger hope to win? McNamee is a liar, cheater and snitch with no money. So will Roger be if he keeps this up.

[McSweeny]

You forgot "inside".

something like

Clemens busted her inside with a nasty hard one

[Flasch186]

"looks like he spit on that one..."

well perhaps that's a little dirty, but you never know, maybe in one of her drug induced stupors?

[Philliesfan980]

It's been said before but needs to be said again ... someone has to save Roger Clemens from himself. He's going to be living in a van down by the river at the rate he's going.

He's not going to win this lawsuit against McNamee ... and you have to imagine this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is McNamee's lawyers leaking something to try and get Roger to drop it. They're not going to show their whole hand at this point.

What does Roger hope to win? McNamee is a liar, cheater and snitch with no money. So will Roger be if he keeps this up.

While I agree that Clemens is a moron, I don't see him going broke anytime soon. I think the biggest thing for him is just fessing up that he made some mistakes. It's obvious that his pride is getting in the way.

I think the best thing for Clemens would be to pull a McGwire and basically drop off the baseball map. People would forget, baseball's stronger now than it has been in years.

[MikeVic]

So... now there's rumours that Clemens had a thing with John Daly's ex-wife?

[Anthony]

AND KATHY GRIFFIN???!?!? jeezus, this man hath no pride.

[Maple Leafs]

So...

You know...

Putting aside the fact that McCready may have been 15 when this started, is it really newsworthy or interesting that a pro athelete cheats on his wife?

Doesn't anyone else just kind of assume that every star athelete is married at home and single on the road?

[MikeVic]

I thought some are like that. Pippen, Kemp, Henry. But I really thought the majority were actually faithful.

[Ksyrup]

TBH, it makes it more believable that he would throw his wife under the bus about the steroids thing. Maybe they aren't the loving family they appear to be, and their marriage is more like the "contract" Bill and Hillary have where it benefits both of them to keep up the charade, and one owes the other, so they stay together.

[Fidatelo]

I thought some are like that. Pippen, Kemp, Henry. But I really thought the majority were actually faithful.

I'm the opposite. I assume there are a handful of faithful guys, with the rest cheating at least occasionally.

[gstelmack]

Yup, this is not a story if he didn't make character an issue during the whole steroids thing and file a defamation lawsuit.

[st.cronin]

I thought some are like that. Pippen, Kemp, Henry. But I really thought the majority were actually faithful.

I think it probably varies by sport, but I would guess a sizable minority, rather than a majority, of married athletes remain faithful.

[Maple Leafs]

Yup, this is not a story if he didn't make character an issue during the whole steroids thing and file a defamation lawsuit.
But is it really a story because of the lawsuit? Or is it a story because he's a douche, so might as well break the unwritten code and bury the guy for all his affairs?

[Ksyrup]

There's certainly an element of "piling on," but it's also pretty simply a matter of economics. This story has become the equivalent to Britney losing her mind, or Lindsay Lohan crashing a car, or Paris Hilton releasing a sex tape. Every little thing he does is magic, so to speak.

[miami_fan]

I think you also have to factor Barry Bonds into the equation. If these stories are out there, the media has to treat it the same way they did the discovery of Barry Bonds and his affair or affairs. I don't remember if there was more than one.

[Ksyrup]

Someone at ESPN is obviously not up on looking for the nuances in public statements:


In the statement, Clemens said: "Now, I have been accused of having an improper relationship with a fifteen-year-old girl. Nothing could be further from the truth. This relationship has been twisted and distorted far beyond reality. It is just one of many, many accusations that are utterly false."


Earlier in the article, this is what ESPN says:

Clemens did take the opportunity to deny that he had an affair with country singer Mindy McCready, as was reported by the New York Daily News.


Um...there's nothing in Clemens' statement that indicates he denies an affair with McCready. What he denies is that the relationship started when she was 15. That's it. "Twisted and distorted far beyond reality"...doesn't mean he didn't have a sexual relationship with her.

[Abe Sargent]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/04/27/2008-04-27_sources_roger_clemens_had_10year_fling_w.html

Can you call something that lasts TEN YEARS a fling?

[sterlingice]

The two "best" players from the recent years are both asshats. :(

I don't find Greg Maddux to be an asshat, just kindof a quiet, cerebral guy ;)

SI

[Logan]

You just can't make some of this shit up. This is what I just saw scrolling on ESPN's bottom line when I turned on Mike & Mike:

"Roger Clemens kept a bottle of Viagra inside his locker at Yankee Stadium, a source said. While the drug is not banned by MLB, it is alleged to help build endurance."

[MikeVic]

So THAT'S why he played with a boner!

[Dr. Sak]

So THAT'S why he played with a boner!

Glad to know you were paying attention to his junk...and I don't mean his curveball. :lol: