WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[jeheinz72]

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Ok folks, here goes nothing!

Welcome to WW #69 (had to write it in numbers since I get the distinction)!

This post and the following rules post will change some, but here's the basic idea:

- Everyone will have some sort of ability, good guys and bad guys. Some abilities will be very powerful, some will be uh...not.
- You do NOT need a working knowledge of the show, at all, to play. It's more for storyline purposes than anything.
- 24-hour clock, but since I'm only on during the day, deadline will be 1 PM EST.
- There will be no play on weekends (the day will just stretch from 1 PM on Friday until 1 PM on Monday)
- It's my first GM game on this board, so you should join.
- I'm thinking we'll let signups run until Monday (provided Path's game is even done by then!) and then I'll send out roles and we'll hit the ground running.

[jeheinz72]

ROLES / GROUPS

There are 3 groups, The Heroes, The Company and Sylar:

The Heroes - You are the good guys in our story. You are out to rid the world of the members of The Company, bringing forth the truth. You win when all of them, plus Sylar have been eliminated.

The Company - You are the bad guys. While you'd like to use the Heroes to your advantage, you realize these rebellious ones must go in order to save the world. You also can't have Sylar running around. You win when he is eliminated and you've achieved a 1:1 ration with the Heroes. You will know who is in the Company with you and can communicate with them at any time.

Sylar - You are one bad and evail mamma jamma. You don't care about the world, or any silly company, just killing. You want as many Heroes and Company members dead as possible, for your own benefit. You win by surviving. You need to make it to where only 3 other people besides you are still alive. You cannot be night killed by the Company.

Every player in this game has some sort of role, Hero, Company member or Sylar. Each of you has a name, but it doesn't really pertain to your "side" in this game (ie someone who is good on the show isn't necessarily good here), except for Sylar, he's bad, but we've been over that.

POWERS

Powers in this game are many and range far and wide. You could see people with the ability to not be night killed, you could see people who can alter votes, people who can bend time and change the deadline, and people who are Evil Cyborgs from the Future. No power is off-limits and no power is necessarily only in the game once.

GAME PLAY

The game will operate on a 24-hour clock, with the deadline coming at 1 PM EST. At 1 PM EST, I'll tally the votes and announce the day's lynch candidate. Note, that votes listed in thread may not be accurate on the whole, so I'll do the official counting. Shortly thereafter, I'll process the night actions and the following day will begin. There will be no weekend deadlines.

The game will begin with Day 1.

Each day, players will vote for who they want lynched. Tie procedures are hidden and known only to me.

To cast a vote, it must be in bold and separated by adequate whitespace, such
as

Vote jeheinz72

You may unvote by doing this

Unvote jeheinz72
Vote claphamsa

Any votes not correctly unvoted will be void. Any player not voting during the day will be without a night action. You can change your vote as often as you would like before the deadline.

Upon death, character name, side affiliation and power will be revealed.

Feel free to PM me with any questions. Keep in mind, I am only online from 9 AM - 6 PM EST.

[jeheinz72]

Players

1. Claphamsa - Hero - Noah Bennet (possible conversion)
2. hoopsguy - Hero - Claire Bennet (regeneration)
3. The Jackal - Hero - Eden McCain (persuasion)
4. nfg22 - Company Worker - Died of Internal Bleeding (lynching) Day Four
5. RendeR - Hero - Issac Mendez (Seer)
6. Thomkal (fka Pass) - Hero - Head Cut off Night Six
7. Lathum - Company Worker - Dead via Lynching Day Five
8. path12 - Adam Monroe (regeneration)
9. Greyroofoo - Ted Sprague (radiation)
10. St. Cronin - Company Worker - Died of Heart Stopping (lynching) Day Three
11. NTNDeacon - Hero - Bullet to Brain Night One
12. SnDvls - Hero - Beaten to Death Night Four
13. DaddyTorgo - Company Worker - Sliced own throat (lynching) Day Seven
14. Mauboy1 - Hero - Head Cut Off Day Eight
15. Schmidty - Hero - Duked Day Eight
16. Neon Chaos - Sylar - Lynched Day Nine
17. Chief Rum - Hero - Matt Parkman (mental manipulation)
18. Narcizo - Hero - Head Cut Off Night Four
19. ardent enthusiast - Company Worker - Died of explosion (lynching) Day Two
20. Barkeep49 - Hero - Zapped by Mauboy1 Day Six
21. Mr. Wednesday - Hero - Head Cut off Night Eight
22. oliegirl - Hero - Dead of unkown causes Night Two
23. Alan T - Hero - Poisoned Night Five

Possible Character Names
Claire Bennet
Monica Dawson
DL Hawkins - Hero - Thomkal (fka Pass) - Head Cut off Night Six
Maya Herrera
Issac Mendez
Adam Monroe
Hiro Nakamura - Hero - Mr. Wednesday - Head Cut off Night Eight
Matt Parkman
Nathan Petrelli - Company - DaddyTorgo - Suicide Day Seven (lynch)
Peter Petrelli - Hero - Schmidty - Duked Day Eight
Sylar
Niki Sanders - Hero - Narcizo - Head Cut off Night Four
Claude Rains - Company - ardent enthusiast - Lynched Day Two
The Haitian - Hero - NTN Deacon - Bullet to Brain Night One
Alejandro Herrera
Eden McCain
Maury Parkman - Company - nfg22 - Lynched Day Four
West Rosen - Hero - Oliegirl - Dead Night Two
Ted Sprague
Molly Walker - Hero - AlanT - Dead Night Five
Ando Masahashi - Hero - SnDvls - Beaten Night Four
Elle Bishop - Hero - Mauboy1 - Head Cut off Day Eight
Micah Sanders - Company - Lathum - Lynched Day Five
Noah Bennet
Bob Bishop
Lyle Bennet
Daniel Linderman - Hero - Barkeep49 - Zapped Day Six
Simone Deveaux
Mohinder Suresh - Company - St. Cronin - Lynched Day Three
Angela Petrelli
Hana Gitelman


Important Posts

Day One Results - Post #272 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1675089&postcount=272)
Night One Results - Post #276 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1675115&postcount=276)
Day Two Results - Post #640 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1676125&postcount=640)
Night Two Results - Post #686 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1676200&postcount=686)
Day Three Results - Post #1165 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1677349&postcount=1165)
Night Three Results - Post #1194 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1677413&postcount=1194)
Day Four Results - Post #1434 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1678364&postcount=1434)
Night Four Results - Post 1457 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1678402&postcount=1457)
Day Five Results - Post #1746 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1680226&postcount=1746)
Night Five Results - Post #1761 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1680258&postcount=1761)
Day Six Results - Post #1874 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1680981&postcount=1874)
Night Six Results - Post #1880 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1680990&postcount=1880)
Day Seven Results - Post #1951 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1681823&postcount=1951)
Night Seven Results - Post #1954 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1681837&postcount=1954)
Day Eight Killing - Post #1970 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1681929&postcount=1970)
Day Eight Results - Post #2061 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1682816&postcount=2061)
Night Eight Results - Post #2066 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1682827&postcount=2066)

[claphamsa]

reserved for me :)

[claphamsa]

Can I be the hot blond cheerleader?

[hoopsguy]

Really want to play this - heck, sign me up and I'll figure out how to make the schedule sort of work.

[jeheinz72]

Really want to play this - heck, sign me up and I'll figure out how to make the schedule sort of work.

That's what I'm talking about!

[The Jackal]

You know I'm in.

[nfg22]

ill try again....

[RendeR]

Do me baby.

[Passacaglia]

I'm in -- but only if I get to be David Bowie.

[claphamsa]

didnt he play caligula?

[Lathum]

I;m in.

I love Hero's and am curious to see how the 1:00 deadline works.

[path12]

I might be on the road for a day or two but it's not finalized yet and could change. I'll sign up with the proviso I might have to drop before the fun begins.....

[jeheinz72]

Sounds good path, good decision.

[Greyroofoo]

I'll play, maybe I'll actually survive a night this time.

[st.cronin]

I'll play.

[ntndeacon]

we don't need another hero.

I will play!

[SnDvls]

I'll play

[DaddyTorgo]

damnit, i'm in

[mauchow]

I'll play as well. 1pm will work okay for me for the most part.

[Schmidty]

I'll play if there's room.

[Neon_Chaos]

Time to throw my hat back into playing. I've had enough of a rest. (and the 1pm deadline is fabulous, since I'm on the other side of the world. :) )

In like sin.

[Chief Rum]

Everyone will have some sort of ability, good guys and bad guys. Some abilities will be very powerful, some will be uh...not.

Am I the only one who immediately, upon reading the end of this sentence, flashed to Family Guy and Meg's amazing ability to grow her fingernails? :D

BTW, I am in, although I am going to be really easy to gang up on at the deadline, since I won't be around while at work.

[Neon_Chaos]

I am going to be really easy to gang up on at the deadline, since I won't be around while at work.

*Taking a mental note.*

[Chief Rum]

*Taking a mental note.*

VOTE NEON CHAOS

[Neon_Chaos]

:D

[Narcizo]

I'd like to give this a go again if there's room and nobody objects. The deadline time is probably as good as it gets for me.

[Lathum]

I'd like to give this a go again if there's room and nobody objects. The deadline time is probably as good as it gets for me.

welcome back!

[jeheinz72]

I'd like to give this a go again if there's room and nobody objects. The deadline time is probably as good as it gets for me.

Absolutely man, and welcome!

No limit on players folks, so come one, come all.

[Alan T]

I'd like to give this a go again if there's room and nobody objects. The deadline time is probably as good as it gets for me.

I am glad you are back playing! I really enjoyed the games you played in before. I'm not playing in this one due to RL conflicts, but I hope you continue playing after this one. :)

[Passacaglia]

Me too -- I think I managed to die early in any games we played together (typical fare for me), I liked having you play!

[hoopsguy]

Wait a minute, Narcizo is in? I'm out.



:)

[Passacaglia]

didnt he play caligula?

Just for that, you have to be Jakob Dylan.

[Poli]

I

[Poli]

am

[Poli]

in.

[SnDvls]

in.

Welcome Back!!!

[hoopsguy]

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Neon_Chaos]

THE ARDENT IS BACK.

Bring.

It.

On.

[RendeR]

Wow, GREAT crowd for Heiney's first game. Rock on people! I hope I get nearly this many for the next one =)

[claphamsa]

Its just his first game here.... He actually knows what hes doing :) kinda!

[jeheinz72]

I make no claims of actually knowing what I'm doing.

Just so we're clear.

[hoopsguy]

Crystal.

[Lathum]

Welcome back Rodney!!

[Schmidty]

in.

Well spank my bottom with a wooden leg and call me a pirate!!!!

[Barkeep49]

I'm in.

[nfg22]

im out...well that is after a night one lynching....hahahahaha

[RendeR]

*shoots nfg22 with a revolver*

[nfg22]

My superpower is being bullet proof. Render that.

[ntndeacon]

Well call me a pirate!!!!

You are a pirate

[Chief Rum]

Well spank my bottom with a wooden leg and call me a pirate!!!!

Not a wooden leg. AE is just happy to see you.

[RendeR]

My superpower is being bullet proof. Render that.


*Renders NFG22 down in a vat of pork fat*

Bullet proof that.;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

If there's still room, in.

[Lathum]

Are we still slated for a Monday start?

[jeheinz72]

Are we still slated for a Monday start?

Yep, I'll get the rules and all that good stuff up today, then PM out the roles Monday morning.

Any signups are still welcome for the late-comers!

[oliegirl]

It's Ketchup Boy's first game and AE is making his return? I'm so in!

But, seeing as I'm a girl and all - I get to be the hot blonde cheerleader!!! ;)

[SnDvls]

can I please not be a wolf :)

even though St. C will go after me from day 1

[Passacaglia]

*Renders NFG22 down in a vat of pork fat*

Bullet proof that.;)

I'm going to have to start calling you renderer, instead of...uh...render. Or would you prefer rerenderer, so it's back to being pseudo-palindromic?

[path12]

It's Ketchup Boy's first game and AE is making his return? I'm so in!

But, seeing as I'm a girl and all - I get to be the hot blonde cheerleader!!! ;)

I think clap already claimed it, but if it makes you feel any better, you're always our hot blonde cheerleader around here...... ;)

[jeheinz72]

Rules posted!

I have to admit to being in a tad of a hurry, let me know if anything doesn't make sense.

You can always PM me with questions as well.

[path12]

If each of us has a name, does Sylar (or whatever it was) have a fake name to use?

[The Jackal]

When are we starting?

[Chief Rum]

Yep, I'll get the rules and all that good stuff up today, then PM out the roles Monday morning.

Any signups are still welcome for the late-comers!

Will the first deadline be Tuesday morning then? I justw ant to be sure, because I probably won't see your PM until pretty late Monday night (two job day).

[Chief Rum]

Shit, I just realized he won't read this until Monday morning, lol.

We need to get jeheinz an Internet connection at home.

[st.cronin]

I hope we don't have a deadline on Monday, I'm also usually pretty busy on Mondays.

[Lathum]

I hope we don't have a deadline on Monday, I'm also usually pretty busy on Mondays.

I think he said the first deadline is tuesday

[The Jackal]

If we are running on th 1 PM EST schedule, I bet the roles will go out Monday morning and the first deadline will be Tuesday at 1 PM EST.

[oliegirl]

I think clap already claimed it, but if it makes you feel any better, you're always our hot blonde cheerleader around here...... ;)

Awww, thanks Path! ;)

[Chief Rum]

Just a reminder to everyone: I'll be out all day, so please don't have a runaway vote on me by the time I get on just because I haven't checked in yet. ;)

See y'all tonight.

[Neon_Chaos]

Just a reminder to everyone: I'll be out all day, so please don't have a runaway vote on me by the time I get on just because I haven't checked in yet. ;)

See y'all tonight.

*making another mental note*

[jeheinz72]

If each of us has a name, does Sylar (or whatever it was) have a fake name to use?

There will be a good amount more names than players, but he won't be told a name that isn't in the game.

[jeheinz72]

When are we starting?

Roles headed out in the next 4 hours, first deadline will be 1 PM EST on Tuesday, 3/4.

[jeheinz72]

Shit, I just realized he won't read this until Monday morning, lol.

We need to get jeheinz an Internet connection at home.

Ha, yeah, just read this! But no worries, first deadline is tomorrow.

...and I have a connection at home, but just don't go online due to A) spending SO much time at the computer at work and B) That's kids and wife time for me. I mean I *could* but then it'd be a Pandora's box situation a bit.

[Lathum]

waiting....waiting......waiting......

[Passacaglia]

Game on!

[hoopsguy]

Got my role, another "villager" (good guy majority) role. I'm interested to see how this game works out since I couldn't play in the last hero game (Apocalypse Awakens).

[Greyroofoo]

I claim Not Wolf!

[The Jackal]

No company or Sylar here, though that Sylar sure sounded fun. With the amount of unpredictable roles, this should be interesting.

[jeheinz72]

Ok folks, all the roles and PM's are out (wow, 23 takes awhile!).

The game is officially ON.

Day/Night One deadline is 1 PM EST on Tuesday, March 4th.

PM me any specific questions, or if more general, you can ask it here. Remember, I'm in from 9 AM - 6 PM EST only.

Also, remember, game names and show names don't necessarily jive. Meaning somoene who is clearly good on the show may be bad here. I'm updating one of the first posts soon with all possible player names.

Have fun, and good luck!

[claphamsa]

Im a hero... woooo :)

[claphamsa]

I need to go read the backstory, cut I neever watched heros.

[Alan T]

I'm checking in. I'm a hero here as well as my character was a good guy in the show.

I'm guessing some of the powers might have been adjusted for various characters, but at least in the case of mine, my power is pretty close to what I would expect based on the show.

[Lathum]

Checking in.

My first thought is do we gain any value or do we impead ourselves by revealing our names.

[Lathum]

I'm checking in. I'm a hero here as well as my character was a good guy in the show.

I'm guessing some of the powers might have been adjusted for various characters, but at least in the case of mine, my power is pretty close to what I would expect based on the show.

My power is also in line with the show, so I think it is best at this time not to reveal our names.

[claphamsa]

well i never saw the show, so I dont knwo if im close or not! sadly my power does not include summoning Hayden Pantiere to my office :(

[Alan T]

My power is also in line with the show, so I think it is best at this time not to reveal our names.


I agree with this, I don't think its a good idea for a name reveal right now (especially if Jeheinz did make some good guys from the show bad, or vice versa).

[Greyroofoo]

My character's power seems somewhat close

[Alan T]

It doesn't seem that No Lynch is an option from the rules, and everyone has to vote or they lose their evening powers..

The main caution I will be making is with the ability to affect time, I assume we might see an early deadline at some point sprung on us similar to in one of my games. So I'll probably not be waiting till the last minute to vote. I'll likely get my vote in today before 5pm EST and then always have the option to change it tommorrow morning if I so choose.

[claphamsa]

as is my habit, to vote early and often!

vote render!

[oliegirl]

I don't watch the show, but I'm a hero...

I'm not sure where I stand on revealing, there are definitely benefits but as there are going to be people who lie, I'm not sure that it would accomplish anything other than confusing everything this early in the game. Once we get some sort of CoT established, then I'd be more for it...

[Alan T]

It seems that with everyone having a nightly power referred to in the rules, this will be an excellent game to be able to ask people who are at threat of being lynched what they used their power to do daily and see if it matches what other people may have observed along the way.

[Neon_Chaos]

Hero, checking in.

Same here about not really following the TV Series (but the girlfriend watches). I've watched an episode here and there, though.

[Greyroofoo]

vote render

Only because he killed me last game

[hoopsguy]

Not wolf = Not Company? = Not Sylar? Hmm, Greyroofoo seems to be trying to confuse us already :)

Regarding show knowledge, I didn't know "Lost" when I played in that game and had to work hard to figure out the characters. So if there are questions I would be happy to help people out with background info.

Revealing - by revealing names we could potentially put pressure on the Company and Sylar. But it also gives a good starting point for figuring out what abilities someone has and what their relative value is within the game. I'm certainly up for discussing this if others are ... I'm not sure there were 23 people with powers across the two seasons (will try to verify this through Wikipedia or something like that) if that impacts people's thoughts on the matter.

[Alan T]

Not wolf = Not Company? = Not Sylar? Hmm, Greyroofoo seems to be trying to confuse us already :)

Regarding show knowledge, I didn't know "Lost" when I played in that game and had to work hard to figure out the characters. So if there are questions I would be happy to help people out with background info.

Revealing - by revealing names we could potentially put pressure on the Company and Sylar. But it also gives a good starting point for figuring out what abilities someone has and what their relative value is within the game. I'm certainly up for discussing this if others are ... I'm not sure there were 23 people with powers across the two seasons (will try to verify this through Wikipedia or something like that) if that impacts people's thoughts on the matter.

The problem I see with revealing names right now is at least where mine is concerned, my name pretty much spells out exactly what my power is for anyone who knows the show. Jeheinz has already stated that you can't trust that someone is good in this game just because they are Hiro or the cheerleader or such.. So by revealing names, we can't necessarily build trust and all we do is allow Sylar or the company to be able to pinpoint exactly where to go each night.

It seems lose-lose to me at least so far based on my understanding of the ruleset.

[hoopsguy]

From the show:
Heroes: Peter Petrelli, Nathan Petrelli, Claire Bennett, Hiro Nakamura, Niki Sanders, Isaac Mendez, Matt Parkman, DL Hawkins, Maya Herrera, Micah Sanders, Monica Dawson, Molly Walker

Company: Noah Bennett (HRG), Mr. Linderman, Haitian, Elle Bishop, Bob Bishop, Kaito Nakamura (Hiro's father), Maury Parkman (Matt's father), Angela Petrelli (Nathan/Peter's mother)

Sylar: Sylar (duh)

Non-powered characters affiliated with Heroes: Ando, Dr. Suresh, Alejandro

Other "bad guys: Takezo Kenzei/Adam Monroe

Tough to pin down: Claude (invisible partner of HRG while with Company, free agent now), Brian Davis (telekinetic who was first kill by Sylar), West Rosen (flying boyfriend of Claire), Charlie Andrews (waitress killed by Sylar), Ted Sprague (??? - not very heroic), Hana Gitelman (cameo on show, more involved with online graphic novels)

There are a bunch of additional names here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Heroes


Hmm, I'm running a little short on heroes so far compared to people who probably would not be listed as heroes. 12 heroes, a bunch that are harder to define.

[Neon_Chaos]

Uh... please see Post #3

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1670296&postcount=3

All the possible characters in this game are listed there.

Players

1. Claphamsa
2. hoopsguy
3. The Jackal
4. nfg22
5. RendeR
6. Passacaglia
7. Lathum
8. path12
9. Greyroofoo
10. St. Cronin
11. NTNDeacon
12. SnDvls
13. DaddyTorgo
14. Mauboy1
15. Schmidty
16. Neon Chaos
17. Chief Rum
18. Narcizo
19. ardent enthusiast
20. Barkeep49
21. Mr. Wednesday
22. oliegirl
23. Alan T

Possible Character Names
Claire Bennet
Monica Dawson
DL Hawkins
Maya Herrera
Issac Mendez
Adam Monroe
Hiro Nakamura
Matt Parkman
Nathan Petrelli
Peter Petrelli
Sylar
Niki Sanders
Claude Rains
The Haitian
Alejandro Herrera
Eden McCain
Maury Parkman
West Rosen
Ted Sprague
Molly Walker
Ando Masahashi
Elle Bishop
Micah Sanders
Noah Bennet
Bob Bishop
Lyle Bennet
Daniel Linderman
Simone Deveaux
Mohinder Suresh
Angela Petrelli
Hana Gitelman



There are 23 players, and 31 names.

Is it safe to assume that the bad guys know which characters are in this game (similar to the Greek Gods game we had), and that any reveal of any name cannot be trusted?

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I'm not sure how many of the names tightly correlate with powers. For example, Nathan Petrelli can fly. OK, so what does that get him in this game? Hiro can travel through time - it sounds dangerous, but what does that correlate with?

I think there are definitely some names where I can make very educated guesses on powers. But we have the same risk/reward with any of these games in terms of revealing a name and having the possibility of a cross-claim, of monitoring their ability usage, etc. I think it is at least worthy of discussion for today unless there are better Day 1 topics out there.

[Alan T]

Alan, I'm not sure how many of the names tightly correlate with powers. For example, Nathan Petrelli can fly. OK, so what does that get him in this game? Hiro can travel through time - it sounds dangerous, but what does that correlate with?

I think there are definitely some names where I can make very educated guesses on powers. But we have the same risk/reward with any of these games in terms of revealing a name and having the possibility of a cross-claim, of monitoring their ability usage, etc. I think it is at least worthy of discussion for today unless there are better Day 1 topics out there.


You didn't mention the heros with powers that are a bit more impressive than say Nathan's ability. Without knowing what for instance Sylar's goals are this game... I'm guessing it has something to do with hunting down a hero and killing them/taking their power.

by listing out who is whom, you pretty much open the door for Sylar to say, "Gee I don't want to target Nathan, I'll go after Claire instead".

Considering what Neon mentioned is probably likely in effort to keep a mass reveal from wrecking the game, what does everyone revealing their names do other than map things out for Sylar and/or the Company to know who to target?

Where is the positive in that? My thoughts are in a game with this many "powers" You will have people who can perhaps spy on others (invisibility?), read people's minds, etc.. and figure out when people are lying or not being honest. This just doesn't seem like a great game to open our doors wide open for the bad guys to know exactly whom to go after.

[path12]

I've never seen the show, but checking in as a hero. Bring it on, company. You bastards.

[st.cronin]

Going to get a vote out early, I won't be around much today, and probably not much tomorrow before the deadline.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Welcome back, buddy.

[st.cronin]

By the way, I watched all of season 1, and my power doesn't really match up with my character in any obvious way. Possibly something develops in season 2, or maybe I'm just missing it.

[ntndeacon]

Uh... please see Post #3

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1670296&postcount=3

All the possible characters in this game are listed there.





There are 23 players, and 31 names.

Is it safe to assume that the bad guys know which characters are in this game (similar to the Greek Gods game we had), and that any reveal of any name cannot be trusted?

I dont think they will know who is in the game. At least I dont think sylar knows. werent we told he would not be given a name not in use

[ntndeacon]

I am also a hero. and my power seems close the show.

[Neon_Chaos]

I dont think they will know who is in the game. At least I dont think sylar knows. werent we told he would not be given a name not in use

Why do you think so?

That is a dangerous assumption (if it ends up being false).

Looking back at jeheinz' posting of the rules:

Every player in this game has some sort of role, Hero, Company member or Sylar. Each of you has a name, but it doesn't really pertain to your "side" in this game (ie someone who is good on the show isn't necessarily good here), except for Sylar, he's bad, but we've been over that.

Which means names might only be good for determining powers and not affiliation.

Being unsure about what Sylar's role is in this game (maybe a serial killer-type player?), I think the baddies might have a list of who are in this game (a likely mechanic to prevent a mass-reveal), revealing who we are might lead them to pick us off easier, like Alan T said.

[DaddyTorgo]

got my PM. don't really have time to check it and read through the rules (which we all know I don't do till after the game starts), until i get home. fortunately it's a "no workout" day which usually means I can get online sooner.

[ntndeacon]

The Company may well have a list of players, but didn't our great leader let us know he wasn't going to give skylar a false name to use. That seems to imply that he won't be given those playing either.

[Alan T]

I'm still saying that it probably doesn't matter if they received a list of players in game or not.. since jeheinz also came out and said that people who were on one side in the show aren't necessarily on that side in this game.

So we find out that Ntndeacon is Mr. Linderman or something, that doesn't mean much to us because as far as this game goes, he might be company or he might be a hero. We find out lets say that Hoops is Claire.. once again in this game that might mean Claire is company member or might not.

Jeheinz was very clear that he said player allegiances don't necessarily match up with the show. So I still haven't heard any good end goal that revealing names would accomplish for the good guys.

[mauchow]

Hero checking in. I've still not been a wolf over here at FOF. Lets kick the company's ass hero's!

[Lathum]

Not wolf = Not Company? = Not Sylar? Hmm, Greyroofoo seems to be trying to confuse us already :)

Regarding show knowledge, I didn't know "Lost" when I played in that game and had to work hard to figure out the characters. So if there are questions I would be happy to help people out with background info.

Revealing - by revealing names we could potentially put pressure on the Company and Sylar. But it also gives a good starting point for figuring out what abilities someone has and what their relative value is within the game. I'm certainly up for discussing this if others are ... I'm not sure there were 23 people with powers across the two seasons (will try to verify this through Wikipedia or something like that) if that impacts people's thoughts on the matter.


I have to agree with Alan. Revealing names would give a blueprint to the company/ sylar.

[st.cronin]

Alan, I think what people are saying is that it *might* put some pressure on Sylar, and that there isn't any real downside, although I suppose it might put a target on some player's back.

[RendeR]

I don't know the show at all, saw only bits and pieces of it. So I'm the clueless wonder amongst us.

My PM says I'm a hero, I have a power that seems rather...inane, but hey, somebody's gotta have the power to grow their fingernails.

[Barkeep49]

I'm in and my hero power was crammed to fit WW.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, thanks for pointing out the list of names - I have referenced that post a couple of times in terms of player sign-ups but never registered the 31 potential characters until you quoted it. Wish I had seen it before I went dredging through Wikipedia.

I'm still kind of skeptical about the tight correlation between names/powers, but I'm fine with keeping info close if that is what the majority wants to do. I don't want to put our best and brightest in the line of fire for either Sylar or the Company without having some benefit in doing so.

Time to take a look at the list of names in greater detail.

[Narcizo]

Hello everyone,

it looks like revealing your name might be pretty similar to revealing your power. Now if we all we to do a mass reveal then fair enough but and the moment I don't see any reason to give that information out for free.

Someone raised a good point about being able to check up on what people have been doing with their powers later on in the game so I would suggest that it would be a very good idea for every villager to
a) use their power every day, and
b) keep the PM where they stated what they were doing with their power so they don't lose track of what they've done.

I've only had experience of being a wolf once but in that game my inability to explain what I had done each day could really have been my downfall. Consequently I think we should be very suspicious of someone who claims a power but is unable to account for what they did with that power every day.

If nothing else this should really force the wolfies to keep on their toes.

[Narcizo]

The person raising said "good point" would be Alan T. Mighta known.

[Lathum]

Alan, I think what people are saying is that it *might* put some pressure on Sylar, and that there isn't any real downside, although I suppose it might put a target on some player's back.

No downside?

That's insane/ Lets say we reveal who we are and catch Sylar, we have then given the company a huge advantage.

I'd rather not cut off my nose to spite my face.

[Narcizo]

Alan, I think what people are saying is that it *might* put some pressure on Sylar, and that there isn't any real downside, although I suppose it might put a target on some player's back.

I think heinz (or whatever his designated abbreviation is) said that Sylar would be given one of the names so I don't think it would put any pressure on him.

[Narcizo]

There will be a good amount more names than players, but he won't be told a name that isn't in the game.

Looking at it again, the statement is pretty ambiguous, so scratch that. In fact I don't really know what to make of this. Does it mean he will be given a name or not?

[hoopsguy]

OK, do people think there is value behind a public discussion of what 8 roles are least likely to be in the game? I've got some thoughts on this, but I don't really want to make it easier for Sylar (or someone else, for whatever reason) to fake reveal.

[hoopsguy]

Looking at it again, the statement is pretty ambiguous, so scratch that. In fact I don't really know what to make of this. Does it mean he will be given a name or not?

I took it to mean that he doesn't get a free identity to assume - he has to figure out who to claim to be and runs the risk of picking a name already in the game.

[Barkeep49]

Looking at it again, the statement is pretty ambiguous, so scratch that. In fact I don't really know what to make of this. Does it mean he will be given a name or not?
He'll be given a name: Sylar (at least that's how I read it).

I tend to be "All information all the time" guy and I don't think that revealing names is the way to go in this game. This despite the fact that if I were to reveal my name (based on my limited knowledge of the show) it still wouldn't allow someone else to figure out my power.

[Barkeep49]

OK, do people think there is value behind a public discussion of what 8 roles are least likely to be in the game? I've got some thoughts on this, but I don't really want to make it easier for Sylar (or someone else, for whatever reason) to fake reveal.
I don't see that being a discussion which is +EV for the villagers.

[hoopsguy]

I'm just not sure what kind of meaningful discussion we are going to have today if we don't want to talk about names, don't want to talk about who is likely in/out of the game, don't want to talk about powers, etc.

So it sounds like we have just another ordinary Day 1. Which is OK, I guess, but Day 1 is always a dull crapshoot and I would rather have some meaningful conversation, if possible.

[hoopsguy]

One of those questions that probably should have been asked before the start of the game, since it now makes it sounds like I have an agenda, but what happens if the Company tries to night-kill Sylar?

The rules say that he can't be night-killed, but do they learn who Sylar is as a result?

Can a player night-kill Sylar if they had a night-kill power? (Note - I don't have that power but I would not be at all surprised to learn it is in the game)

[Barkeep49]

What if we talked about types of powers we'd see in the game, and even matching it up against characters.

For instance the painter guy seems like a natural seer.

Who might be the duke?

Do we think there are duplicate powers, or muted powers, to make sure everyone gets a power, or did JH come up with a unique power for each person?

[Alan T]

I'm just not sure what kind of meaningful discussion we are going to have today if we don't want to talk about names, don't want to talk about who is likely in/out of the game, don't want to talk about powers, etc.

So it sounds like we have just another ordinary Day 1. Which is OK, I guess, but Day 1 is always a dull crapshoot and I would rather have some meaningful conversation, if possible.


I don't like just saying no to an idea without providing something that I feel is a better alternative, so I've been trying to think of a better alternative discussion to give for you today, but unfortunatly I don't see many discussions that would be positive for the villagers just yet. Everything would either be giving up too much of the wrong type of information too early, or just speculation that could lead us down the wrong road anyways.

My personal feeling is in games where all villagers have a role, it tends to favor the villagers to some small extent if used wisely, as they will have an extra amount of information that they normally wouldn't. That is why usually I favor a no lynch vote on day 1 in games where everyone has a role, wheras in other games I usually am pro-lynch on day 1. This game no-lynch doesn't seem like a valid voting option, but that said, I still think we could likely have alot more information on day 2 or 3 than we normally would.. but we just have to be patient for it.

In the end, I don't really have many other alternative topics in my mind for today, and it looks to me perhaps the best approach is the typical day 1 approach.

[RendeR]

Ok I admit it, my power is to explode in a nuclear reaction.


*wink*

[Alan T]

What if we talked about types of powers we'd see in the game, and even matching it up against characters.

For instance the painter guy seems like a natural seer.

Who might be the duke?

Do we think there are duplicate powers, or muted powers, to make sure everyone gets a power, or did JH come up with a unique power for each person?

I can try to give my thoughts on that along with the character list jeheinz provided.. but it would just be my speculation.. I think it would be fun conversation, but perhaps not overly useful. Perhaps if someone else who is less familiar with the show than me has a role that they can spy on others , this would be helpful for.. so I'll work on that so others can comment on it.

[Narcizo]

The rules say that he can't be night-killed, but do they learn who Sylar is as a result?

Can a player night-kill Sylar if they had a night-kill power? (Note - I don't have that power but I would not be at all surprised to learn it is in the game)

The rule looks pretty explicit to me - he "can't be night-killed by the Company". The fact that the rule says "the Company" suggests that if someone does have a night-kill ability they should be able to kill him.

[Barkeep49]

Alan: You seem awfully concerned about leading us down a wrong road with conversation. You hit it twice here and also earlier. Isn't any discussion, especially on D1, going to have a high chance of leading us down the wrong road?

[hoopsguy]

Here is a quick list of heros/powers.

Claire Bennet - heals self
Monica Dawson - mimic physical ability (hasn't shown ability to copy super power)
DL Hawkins - intangible
Maya Herrera - kill other with black tears
Issac Mendez - paint the future
Adam Monroe - heal self
Hiro Nakamura - teleport across time/space
Matt Parkman - telepath
Nathan Petrelli - flight
Peter Petrelli - copy powers
Sylar - steal powers from those he kills
Niki Sanders - super strength
Claude Rains - invisibility
The Haitian - erase memories
Alejandro Herrera - tag-along with sister
Eden McCain - persuasion
Maury Parkman - telepath
West Rosen - flight
Ted Sprague - radiation
Molly Walker - locate target
Ando Masahashi - tag-along with Hiro
Elle Bishop - electricity
Micah Sanders - communicate with machines
Noah Bennet - human, but kind of a badass
Bob Bishop - human scientist
Lyle Bennet - brother of Claire, human
Daniel Linderman - heal others
Simone Deveaux - human, love interest of Isaac and Peter
Mohinder Suresh - human scientist
Angela Petrelli - power unknown
Hana Gitelman - communications power

[Alan T]

Ahh crud, had a nice write up, and lost it by hitting the wrong button. Time to write it up again.

[Alan T]

Since Hoops already put together a list, here is my updates to his list:

DL Hawkins - by intangible, I assume Hoops means he has the ability to phase through matter including objects such as walls.
Hiro - in addition to his teleport powers, he has the ability to manipulate time by freezing it when he chooses to as well.
Niki - her super strength/agility only seems to be apparent by her alter ego whom also is a bit darker or more sinister.. Think of Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde.
The Haitain - Not only erase memories, but he also could block people's powers or prevent them from working if in close proximity.
Alejandro - He was more than a tag-along. He was immune to her power and also had the ability to heal others who were targeted by her if he got to them soon enough.
Bob Bishop - Supposedly I heard somewhere that he had the power of transmutation.. I don't remember where I read or heard or saw that.


Here is a quick list of heros/powers.

Claire Bennet - heals self
Monica Dawson - mimic physical ability (hasn't shown ability to copy super power)
DL Hawkins - intangible
Maya Herrera - kill other with black tears
Issac Mendez - paint the future
Adam Monroe - heal self
Hiro Nakamura - teleport across time/space
Matt Parkman - telepath
Nathan Petrelli - flight
Peter Petrelli - copy powers
Sylar - steal powers from those he kills
Niki Sanders - super strength
Claude Rains - invisibility
The Haitian - erase memories
Alejandro Herrera - tag-along with sister
Eden McCain - persuasion
Maury Parkman - telepath
West Rosen - flight
Ted Sprague - radiation
Molly Walker - locate target
Ando Masahashi - tag-along with Hiro
Elle Bishop - electricity
Micah Sanders - communicate with machines
Noah Bennet - human, but kind of a badass
Bob Bishop - human scientist
Lyle Bennet - brother of Claire, human
Daniel Linderman - heal others
Simone Deveaux - human, love interest of Isaac and Peter
Mohinder Suresh - human scientist
Angela Petrelli - power unknown
Hana Gitelman - communications power

[hoopsguy]

The rule looks pretty explicit to me - he "can't be night-killed by the Company". The fact that the rule says "the Company" suggests that if someone does have a night-kill ability they should be able to kill him.

Just figured I would ask the question, as I'm betting Maya has a killing power. And she could have killed Sylar in the show with this power.

Looking at it from another angle, what if you were a member of the Company and tried/failed to night-kill Sylar? I would think that you want to see him voted off the island the next day if at all possible since that is part of your winning conditions.

[Alan T]

Alan: You seem awfully concerned about leading us down a wrong road with conversation. You hit it twice here and also earlier. Isn't any discussion, especially on D1, going to have a high chance of leading us down the wrong road?

If the conversation is based on speculation it will be far less likely to lead people down the wrong road in a lasting sense than a conversation based on pre-conceived incorrect notions.

Remember the J.R.R Tolkien game that Anxiety ran that had incorrect names and roles in it where people were specifically lynched for telling the truth in the game, even if it was completely wrong from the actual stories. Jeheinz has made it clear here that we shouldn't base everything only on what we know from the TV show.

So obviously I'm not anti-conversation as I've been trying to come up with conversation, but conversation that leads to an advantage for the bad guys and no clear help for the good guys doesn't seem like a great idea to me right now.

[hoopsguy]

Forgot about Bob Bishop's ability - yeah, he had a pile of gold at one point when he was wooing Mohinder to work for him early in Season 2.

[Alan T]

Just figured I would ask the question, as I'm betting Maya has a killing power. And she could have killed Sylar in the show with this power.

Looking at it from another angle, what if you were a member of the Company and tried/failed to night-kill Sylar? I would think that you want to see him voted off the island the next day if at all possible since that is part of your winning conditions.

I would guess if the company figured out who sylar was, they would likely try to use it to gain trust in some more elaborate plot. Killing sylar is good, but killing him to gain trust is better. Its not unusual for wolves to give up their own to gain trust, this is even more of a win-win for them.

[Schmidty]

I'm here.

[hoopsguy]

Seer - Isaac, Parkman, Molly
Bodyguard - Nikki, Peter
Duke - Nathan (senator), Eden
Assassin - Maya, Elle
Witness/Spy - DL, Claude

Obviously there are going to be a lot more powers than this in the game, but these are the people I thought were most likely to line up with the traditional roles.

[Alan T]

Seer - Isaac, Parkman, Molly
Bodyguard - Nikki, Peter
Duke - Nathan (senator), Eden
Assassin - Maya, Elle
Witness/Spy - DL, Claude

Obviously there are going to be a lot more powers than this in the game, but these are the people I thought were most likely to line up with the traditional roles.


I think the Parkmans (or at least the father) could also be a duke type.. a Mass hallucination that caused people to vote a certain way. I think Eden probably seems the most likely duke though to me.

I'm curious to what people think of the characters such as HRG or Ando.. what type of powers do you think they might have in this game?

[Narcizo]

I'm just not sure what kind of meaningful discussion we are going to have today if we don't want to talk about names, don't want to talk about who is likely in/out of the game, don't want to talk about powers, etc.


We could take the meta-approach and talk about whether we should talk about names, what the powers are, etc etc. :) Anyway, not having seen season two yet (part of the price you pay for living in a backward country) I've just realised that this game could contain spoilers. Generous soul that I am I won't demand that everyone uses spoiler tags though.

I'm off for the night so I'll be back with a DOLA-fest when you're all asleep.

[RendeR]

Hrm, are we really certain we should be comparing the TV show characters and powers with the games deisign? I would find it rather odd of heiney lined up each name with the power(s) they had on TV, it would be too easy to line up wuick targets that way.

Or am I rehashing sometihng everyone already understands?

[RendeR]

I think I've discovered my power....I am the super-typo-guy!

[Passacaglia]

Time to put in a vote -- the way Alan is arguing against reveals seems fishy.

VOTE ALAN T

[RendeR]

Time to put in a vote -- the way Alan is arguing against reveals seems fishy.

VOTE ALAN T


I dunno, revealing names just seems dangerous on day 1, if things ARE linked up to the show, then giving out names is just painting fat targets on people. I can't argue with keeping names secret.

Telling our powers is much the same. I'm not saying there comes a point we should reveal and we will, but I just don't think early game is the time to do that. Lets give our powers some time to work their magic first. ya know?

[Barkeep49]

I think I'm going to have a tough time with this game as I'm unfamiliar with the theme. The comfort level with the material is going to take some getting used to, I expect.

[Alan T]

Hrm, are we really certain we should be comparing the TV show characters and powers with the games deisign? I would find it rather odd of heiney lined up each name with the power(s) they had on TV, it would be too easy to line up wuick targets that way.

Or am I rehashing sometihng everyone already understands?

Since so far the majority of people have mentioned their powers seem to line up with their charactewr, I don't think it is too far of a reach to think that in most cases they are aligned. Only a handful of people have seemed to suggest otherwise so far.

[Alan T]

Time to put in a vote -- the way Alan is arguing against reveals seems fishy.

VOTE ALAN T

Since you have a problem with me thinking that its a bad idea to give information to Sylar and the company, but you seem to not want to give any reasons why it is a bad idea... I assume you are either Sylar or part of the company?

[RendeR]

Since so far the majority of people have mentioned their powers seem to line up with their charactewr, I don't think it is too far of a reach to think that in most cases they are aligned. Only a handful of people have seemed to suggest otherwise so far.


Having no basis for comparison I'll trust your take on that.


Even if everything were totally scrambled I'd have to say that revealing names or powers in the first few days of a large scale game is a bad idea.

Just my nickel.

[Lathum]

Just some thoughts.


I would be surprised if Nikki was a bodyguard type. Seems more like a one time day kill type.


Have we found out if voting no lynch is an option?

[path12]

I would suggest that it would be a very good idea for every villager to
a) use their power every day, and
b) keep the PM where they stated what they were doing with their power so they don't lose track of what they've done.

I've only had experience of being a wolf once but in that game my inability to explain what I had done each day could really have been my downfall. Consequently I think we should be very suspicious of someone who claims a power but is unable to account for what they did with that power every day.

I'll tell you right now that I won't be talking about what happens with my power, which is not for use during the day I might add.

[ntndeacon]

I was thinking very similar to Alan here.

Vote Pass

I find it troubling for someone to be calling for us to reveal our names or powers on day 1

[path12]

I think I've discovered my power....I am the super-typo-guy!


I thought that was Lathum, but you'll qualify just as well. :p

[path12]

I'm curious to what people think of the characters such as HRG or Ando.. what type of powers do you think they might have in this game?

I think only wolves want to speculate on such matters.

[Lathum]

I thought that was Lathum, but you'll qualify just as well. :p

hmmm, maybe he is Peter and absorbed that ability since I was in the thread :D

[Alan T]

I think only wolves want to speculate on such matters.

I don't understand what you mean by this. My initial hunch is that Ando isn't even in this game and HRG is a push to whether or not he would be company or hero even if jeheinz hadn't said that you can't trust someone will match up with what they were in the tv show...

So not sure why only wolves would want to speculate to what type of power a character that very possibly could be a wolf would have since there is no indication based on the tv show.

[Lathum]

So what do you guys think about the 2 early votes on Render?

[jeheinz72]

Voting No Lynch is an option.

Same as past uses, No Lynch is the same as another "person". If it has the most votes (after I factor in extracirricular things) then there won't be a lynch.

[Lathum]

well I think a no lynch vote is a no brainer. I can't believe I am saying that 2 games in a row.

[Alan T]

well I think a no lynch vote is a no brainer. I can't believe I am saying that 2 games in a row.


I agree here. Like I said before, in games where there are roles for everyone, you tend to have the ability to get alot more information for day 2. Normally the arguement for no lynch or not is "What would be different on day 2 from today?" In this game, there can be quite alot different in day 2 from today.

So I'll be voting no lynch unless something really odd happens.

[path12]

I don't understand what you mean by this. My initial hunch is that Ando isn't even in this game and HRG is a push to whether or not he would be company or hero even if jeheinz hadn't said that you can't trust someone will match up with what they were in the tv show...

So not sure why only wolves would want to speculate to what type of power a character that very possibly could be a wolf would have since there is no indication based on the tv show.

What I mean is that wolves generally wants to know which powers/roles are out there that they need to get rid of long before the village needs to. I think that's pretty obvious. We know that every player has a role/power. That's enough for me right now. Those powers will become evident as the game goes on.

Now if I was a wolf, I'd definitely like to know which powers are out there so I know who to kill night 1.

[Alan T]

What I mean is that wolves generally wants to know which powers/roles are out there that they need to get rid of long before the village needs to. I think that's pretty obvious. We know that every player has a role/power. That's enough for me right now. Those powers will become evident as the game goes on.

Now if I was a wolf, I'd definitely like to know which powers are out there so I know who to kill night 1.

I think you are looking at this from the exact opposite direction as I am.. I think not telling everyone who you are so the wolves can't find out who to kill is a good idea.. that is completely different from telling what powers might be out there.

Like I said, if its a good possibility of normally being a wolf role if all things are equal, its probably worth the discussion. I do think discussion of who has that role could be bad though. Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean here then.

[Greyroofoo]

So just from reading a little bit about the show, Sylar steals the powers of those he kill?

Do you think that power is in the game? And if so would that be an argument FOR name revealing?

[Alan T]

So just from reading a little bit about the show, Sylar steals the powers of those he kill?

Do you think that power is in the game? And if so would that be an argument FOR name revealing?


Yes, in the show Sylar kills someone and then has the ability to use their powers. I'm not exactly sure how that would be mapped out into this game though.. but its obvious that everyone (Company and Heros) probably wants Sylar dead sooner than later.

The reason its not a direct reason to name reveal is that while helping us find Sylar, it would in a sense win the battle but possibly lose the War. Sylar isn't the only one after us here.

I think my suggestion earlier is still better than any other suggestions I've heard.. I think we see what we can learn for a few days and keep the possibility of a name reveal for a few days from now when we can also grill people on how they used their powers and see if we can catch anyone in lies or such. If we can get rid of a few company members, and Sylar is still out there, I think a mass name reveal is somewhat of a less risk at that point.

[Alan T]

I'ts 5pm, and I'm not sure how much more I'll be on tonight. Like I said before, with it strongly hinted that some players could possibly control time.. I don't want to get caught with an early deadline out of the blue.. So placing my vote now

Vote No Lynch

[nfg22]

Checking in here...My power is pretty useless...I am thinking of revealing it because of that...anyone tell me why I shouldn't? I mean it is one that the wolves wouldnt care about and one that Sylar couldnt really use if I revealed it. Im new to this game...any good arguments againts revealing?

[mauchow]

Obviously the best course of action here.

vote no lynch

[Lathum]

Checking in here...My power is pretty useless...I am thinking of revealing it because of that...anyone tell me why I shouldn't? I mean it is one that the wolves wouldnt care about and one that Sylar couldnt really use if I revealed it. Im new to this game...any good arguments againts revealing?

I suggest you keep your power to yourself for now.

It may seem useless at this point but down the road it could be usefull.

[jeheinz72]

Just a heads up folks, I'm outta here until 9 AM EST tomorrow. PM any questions (so I don't miss them in-thread).

Peace!

[st.cronin]

I don't think people should be voting Pass simply because he's suggesting a strategy one disagrees with. I kind of agree with his points, actually. Anyway I support no lynch.

UNVOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST
VOTE NO LYNCH

[nfg22]

For now I am going with No Lynch.

Vote No Lynch

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Pass
Vote NO Lynch

[Lathum]

Vote NoLynch

[Schmidty]

Ok, I guess.


Vote No Lynch

[Lathum]

Ok, I guess.


Vote No Lynch

if you have a different opinion by all means voice it.

[Passacaglia]

Time to put in a vote -- the way Alan is arguing against reveals seems fishy.

VOTE ALAN T

Just to be clear -- I said the WAY that Alan is arguing seems fishy. I'll talk more about what I mean when I get a chance -- I'm making dinner now, and might not get to do that until tomorrow -- we'll see if work lets me do that before deadline. I'm fine with no lynch, however.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Checking in. My power is a fairly reasonable extrapolation from my "TV show" ability to the framework of this game, so I'm in the "not reveal" camp.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. I've read the rules. So we have decided that revealing who we are is not to our advantage as heroes, right?

[mauchow]

I don't think we should reveal... and that seems to be the general consensus.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE NO LYNCH

seems like a no-brainer. Interested to see what Pass has to say about "the way alan is arguing" though

[Poli]

Save the cheerleader, save the world. Hero checking in.

[Poli]

1pm lynches? I, wow. That's interesting. I'm most likely to make my votes at night/early morning. My internet usage is spotty. Sometimes I have a ton, sometimes, like today, I have next to none.

[Poli]

VOTE NO LYNCH.

Seems appropriate. We don't have an ounce of evidence right now...but I seem to recall we like having voting patterns for whatever reason. I'm really out of the loop, though. It's like I've been gone since November or something.

[Poli]

VOTE NO LYNCH.

I must be rusty. I forgot to bold it the first time.

[Schmidty]

if you have a different opinion by all means voice it.

I don't have an opinion.

[Lathum]

I don't have an opinion.

ok, I read the tone of your post as havng a touch of reluctance

[hoopsguy]

I'm OK with no lynch, but a little worried that we could be giving up two kills per night - one to Company, one to Sylar. The kills to Sylar, if it follows the show, equate to him gaining powers. For better or worse, people we lynch don't get eaten by Sylar. And we gain no info from a player on the hot seat if we vote no lynch. No matter the format, werewolf is always about gaining information. Do we really gain more information by not applying any pressure for one day in the thread rather than taking a shot at a bad guy with a largely random Day 1 vote?

Those are the reasons to go against the trend. Just making sure that someone is actually representing them in the thread before we all go down the no lynch path.

[oliegirl]

I'm OK with no lynch, but a little worried that we could be giving up two kills per night - one to Company, one to Sylar. The kills to Sylar, if it follows the show, equate to him gaining powers. For better or worse, people we lynch don't get eaten by Sylar. And we gain no info from a player on the hot seat if we vote no lynch. No matter the format, werewolf is always about gaining information. Do we really gain more information by not applying any pressure for one day in the thread rather than taking a shot at a bad guy with a largely random Day 1 vote?

Those are the reasons to go against the trend. Just making sure that someone is actually representing them in the thread before we all go down the no lynch path.

I was thinking the same thing Hoops...though we will still have the results of the scans and whatnot, we will still be getting information N1. I'm fine with a No Lynch for one night, but we have to start analyzing info and vote someone out tomorrow night...

[Lathum]

So hoops, your telling me you think there will be 2 kills every night? Seems like alot.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, I don't know how it is going to work. If I had to guess then I would think the Company kills every night and Sylar every other one while he is out there, but we (villagers) will all get to find out together over the next couple of days.

I just think that people are jumping on the "no lynch" idea pretty quickly. And I generally don't like bandwagons. So I wanted to at least present the opposing viewpoint, which I felt had been under-represented up to this point.

I'm probably going to put a vote on someone rather than go "no lynch", even if it is appears to be futile.

[Lathum]

So you are concerned with an above average number of night kills, yet want to make an uninformed day 1 lynch that will most likely result in the death of a valuable asset?

[nfg22]

you have a point Lathum, but remember the only extra, certified info we will have tommorow will be the role of whoever the company kills

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, I'm of the opinion that we need to get information - just like an other game of werewolf. Applying pressure is one way to do it. Runaway "no lynch" decisions is not a way to apply pressure to anyone.

Is the pressure applied on Day 1 often misdirected? Yep, especially when the final votes come in. But I'm not wild about the idea of foregoing discussion on players for a day, even if the end result is going to be "No Lynch". In fact, I would much rather see a tight vote - with or without "No Lynch" as one of the options available for voting.

Player A = 7 votes
Player B = 7 votes
No Lynch = 8 votes

That works just fine for me.

No Lynch = 20 votes
Player A = 2 votes
Player B = 1 vote

That doesn't work for me at all, in terms of getting value from the day.

[nfg22]

I think hoopsguy is right. We need people to talk...

[The Jackal]

For once I didn't think people were going to go for the no lynch option, but I guess if there are good roles that figure out bad roles, we need them around. I guess without knowing how much can happen on a given day/night we should test the waters.

Vote No Lynch

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, you have ruined your 0 posts total.

Note that this is not the reason I'm voting for you, just a random observation. The reason for the vote is the initial check-in post "Skylar would be cool" and the tag-along reasoning in your last post. Without any evidence to work off of today, I'll follow my gut for a Day 1 vote.

VOTE THE JACKAL

[nfg22]

just so we get someone talking...

UNVOTE No Lynch

VOTE THE JACKAL

[SnDvls]

checking in

getting a vote in as I will have limited time tomorrow

random day 1 vote

vote mauboy

[The Jackal]

I know, I ruined the posts total a while ago when I was browsing the forums and saw something about hockey.

And I don't know what to tell you, I'm a hero, I still think it would be cool to be Sylar, but it'd be pretty stupid for that player to do anything but lay low.

[Neon_Chaos]

Vote count (Not sure if It's 100% accurate):

Render - claphamsa, GreyRoofoo
The Jackal - hoopsguy, nfg
alan t - pass
mauboy - SnDvls
No Lynch - alan t, mauboy, st.cronin, ntn, lathum, schmidty, daddytorgo, ardent

While I think that No Lynch is probably going to be my vote for today, hoops' argument does make sense. However, considering we don't know yet how many night kills we're going to have (hoops expressed concern about maybe having 2 kills during the night, since Sylar seems to be like a vigilante/serial killer-type of role), I'm going to have to vote for a No Lynch.

Vote No Lynch

[RendeR]

Not sure where I'm getting votes from =)

VOTE NO LYNCH

[path12]

Like I said, if its a good possibility of normally being a wolf role if all things are equal, its probably worth the discussion. I do think discussion of who has that role could be bad though. Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean here then.

I agree that we should definitely not get into any specifics of who can do what. I guess my point was that we should likely take heinz' statement not to try and correlate abilities on the show with character names, etc. Any corroboration or non-corroboration on that score helps the bad guys IMO. I do appreciate you clearing up my original question though, it struck me really weird when I first saw it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, I'm on board with hoops's idea on pushing the vote a little more. With a 50/50 between RendeR and The Jackal, I'm going with the guy who wasn't a wolf in the last game.

Er, wait, they were both a wolf in the last game. Drat.

OK, I guess I'm going with the guy who was the "lone wolf" in the last game.

VOTE The Jackal

[path12]

I'm really out of the loop, though. It's like I've been gone since November or something.

Who are you again? ;)

[path12]

Those are the reasons to go against the trend. Just making sure that someone is actually representing them in the thread before we all go down the no lynch path.

Not knowing the show, I tend to agree with this. However, I am always in favor of the no lynch path.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, hard to know what to make of things at this point, with so many powers out there and multiple factions. On the quick tonight, as I worked late and have to go to bed, so no time for heavy analysis. Maybe tomorrow night.

I am a hero, and my power is also similar to what I have seen from my character in the show (although I only watched the first few episodes). So I would be against revealing.

Given the uncertainties right now, I think I have to go along with the No Lynch crowd.

VOTE NO LYNCH

[Narcizo]

Player A = 7 votes
Player B = 7 votes
No Lynch = 8 votes

That works just fine for me.

No Lynch = 20 votes
Player A = 2 votes
Player B = 1 vote

That doesn't work for me at all, in terms of getting value from the day.

Pretty much what I was thinking. I tend to think a no vote would be the right way to go here but I don't think a runaway vote this early on helps the village (unless we're 100% sure that it's on a wolf). It gives the wolves a completely free pass.

That being said I don't know where to put my vote. In order to build up some sort of decent alternative it would have to be for Jackal or RendeR. With 11 no lynch votes it seems a bit futile now, as it's unlikely anyone will want to move from no lynch because it might make them look wolfish. However Jackal has the second most votes, and I believe people talk about "keeping things honest" or some such at this stage so I will

Vote Jackal

[Narcizo]

I'll tell you right now that I won't be talking about what happens with my power, which is not for use during the day I might add.

I might be misunderstanding something (or getting bogged down in semantics) but aren't all powers for use during the day?

So you're saying that there are no circumstances under which you would reveal what your powers are? What if there's six people left and it's you against someone else, and the feeling is that you're both likely candidates for the lynch. Won't it strengthen your case if you can reveal what you power is and provide a detailed list of what you have done with that power, allowing the possibility of someone else corroborating what you say?

Obviously there are roles this won't apply to, if there's someone with a one-shot power for example. But in general I can't see why you would be opposed to keeping a track of what you have been doing. All I'm saying, I guess, is that I'm not going to be sympathetic to someone claiming a role as an alibi but unable to detail exactly what the did with their powers.

[Chief Rum]

There is no "night" per say, so not sure what path was getting at there.

Nice to see you playing, Narcizo.

[Narcizo]

So just from reading a little bit about the show, Sylar steals the powers of those he kill?

Do you think that power is in the game? And if so would that be an argument FOR name revealing?

A way this could be implemented would be for Sylar to have access to all the powers of the people he has killed but only be able to use one of the powers per day. I think this possibility is a strong reason for not revealing powers. And as there seems to be some correlation between powers and names then I think it means that we shouldn't reveal names either.

I guess an extension of this is the idea that there could be two night kills per, urm, day. :D This seems logical to me - it's difficult to imagine that Sylar doesn't have a kill ability. Lathum said that this seems a bit myuch but ways of balancing that would be a) the wolves having limited kill abilities, b) Sylar only being to kill every other day or something c) there not being many wolves or d) the villagers having enough powers to counter-balance this. It seems likely that Sylar will be able to kill a wolf as well so it isn't solely detrimental to the villager cause to have Sylar having a kill ability.

[Narcizo]

Nice to see you playing, Narcizo.

Thanks. :)

Currently it's nice to be playing again.

[Chief Rum]

Thanks. :)

Currently it's nice to be playing again.

I'm about to head to bed, so short and sweet, but I am guessing if we both live long enough, we'll see each other around late. Hope we're on the same side. ;)

Neon Chaos might be around, too. The late night WW crew lives on! :)

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm about to head to bed, so short and sweet, but I am guessing if we both live long enough, we'll see each other around late. Hope we're on the same side. ;)

Neon Chaos might be around, too. The late night WW crew lives on! :)

I hear you. :D

[Narcizo]

I think the Parkmans (or at least the father) could also be a duke type.. a Mass hallucination that caused people to vote a certain way. I think Eden probably seems the most likely duke though to me.

I'm curious to what people think of the characters such as HRG or Ando.. what type of powers do you think they might have in this game?

I'd have thought Micah is the most obvious Duke role - as fixing votes is pretty much what he does in the first series. Speculting even more wildly I'd see HRG as possibly having some sort of one-shot persuader/converter power.

And path - speculating might give ideas to the wolves but they already have the ability to brainstorm, so it seems more likely that we'll hit on something that another villager hasn't thought of rather than something the wolves haven't thought of. Do you think in a standard game it's beneficial to the wolves or to the villagers if there is a list of the roles and powers in the game? I'd say the villagers.

Anyway, hypothesing about this stuff (and, in all probability, being wrong), is fun.

[Alan T]

Just to be clear -- I said the WAY that Alan is arguing seems fishy. I'll talk more about what I mean when I get a chance -- I'm making dinner now, and might not get to do that until tomorrow -- we'll see if work lets me do that before deadline. I'm fine with no lynch, however.

Translation: Based on my last game, I possibly am an easy person to get lynched for absolutely no reason. So by tossing out vague innuendos, he's testing the water to see who might bite. Because I felt a certain way about an issue and stated my case, surely I must have some evil plot behind it, despite a majority of others feeling the same way as I do right now on the issue.

[claphamsa]

im gonna be in training all day, and im not sure what kinda connection Ill have. Ill try to check in at lunch :)

[Poli]

I appear to be all set for a snow in day, however my wife's been wigging out as of late about my computer/internet usage. I'll be in and out, but rarely on for a significant amount of time.

[Neon_Chaos]

I appear to be all set for a snow in day, however my wife's been wigging out as of late about my computer/internet usage. I'll be in and out, but rarely on for a significant amount of time.

Have I mentioned that it's nice to see you back in the FOFC? :)

[Barkeep49]

I am, for the time, going to assume that there are duplicate powers in the game.

Going off of this, this would suggest a few things based on the discussion we've had today.

A double kill becomes more likely because there is more than one bodyguard around to stop it.

It argues in favor of No Lynch, because we'll be getting more information than normal.

However, it seems too unbalancing to have two full seers or bodyguards running around unless the Company has a higher wolf % than we'd expect. And upping the number of wolves brings its own balance headaches, in terms of their abilities to start controlling lynches with more players around. So I am going to suggest that there are duplicate powers but that they are limited in some way. So perhaps there is a Sylar BG and Seer and a Company BG and Seer. That supposition would, however, still suggest no lynch to be a tenable option. I'm just not sure that it would be ENOUGH information to suggest no lynch.

[Alan T]

I am, for the time, going to assume that there are duplicate powers in the game.

Going off of this, this would suggest a few things based on the discussion we've had today.

A double kill becomes more likely because there is more than one bodyguard around to stop it.

It argues in favor of No Lynch, because we'll be getting more information than normal.

However, it seems too unbalancing to have two full seers or bodyguards running around unless the Company has a higher wolf % than we'd expect. And upping the number of wolves brings its own balance headaches, in terms of their abilities to start controlling lynches with more players around. So I am going to suggest that there are duplicate powers but that they are limited in some way. So perhaps there is a Sylar BG and Seer and a Company BG and Seer. That supposition would, however, still suggest no lynch to be a tenable option. I'm just not sure that it would be ENOUGH information to suggest no lynch.


I think without having the vote count in front of me that there is a pretty sizable lead for no lynch at this point that I don't see that changing before deadline. I think what will be interesting to see is what type of information we find out tonight. With everyone having roles, what will they be able to bring to the table tommorrow?

I'm assuming also that Hoops might be right that there could be more night kill opportunities than normal here, but the key word that I chose to use is opportunities. I'm guessing with everyone having powers.. some people's powers will be able to assist them at night attacks.. say a Nathan Petrelli would be able to "fly away" from his attack and avoid death, etc.

Just another reason why i felt strongly that revealing names was a bad idea yesterday. It tells you which people to go for and which to avoid if you are a wolf. I'm thinking tonight alot of people will have information one way or another about things, but the key will be how much of that is actually useful for determining what to do in day 2.

[Narcizo]

Would you be surprised to see a bodyguard or a seer in an eleven-man game? I don't see how you can discount two bodyguards in a 20+ game. Except I suppose for the possibility that the bodyguards (if organised) could work together to give someone blanket protection. That's not to argue that any roles won't have limitations (or power-ups) that are different from the standard rules. There's lots of different ways to limit a power.

Anyroad. I have to go home now (thanks to a snow storm this morning). I may be back before deadline. Then again I might not. Doesn't really look like it's going to make much difference to the vote anyway.

[DaddyTorgo]

in general i'm not sure how i'm going to handle this 1pm deadline thing. i gotta do work at work, but will try to be around (depending on my workload and the particular day's schedule).

[Passacaglia]

Translation: Based on my last game, I possibly am an easy person to get lynched for absolutely no reason. So by tossing out vague innuendos, he's testing the water to see who might bite. Because I felt a certain way about an issue and stated my case, surely I must have some evil plot behind it, despite a majority of others feeling the same way as I do right now on the issue.

I honestly don't know what happened in your last game -- I was killed Night 2, and didn't follow along after that. Although I'll admit some bias -- there have been two games recently where we've both been wolves, one where I was on your side, and one where I was against you, so you are kind of naturally on my radar lately. I'll talk more about what I was reading into your post after I get a donut. But I have to say, you're being pretty defensive over a lone Day 1 vote (perhaps for the same reasons, I'm naturally on your radar as well).

[Lathum]

do we have a vote count?

[Passacaglia]

Would you be surprised to see a bodyguard or a seer in an eleven-man game? I don't see how you can discount two bodyguards in a 20+ game. Except I suppose for the possibility that the bodyguards (if organised) could work together to give someone blanket protection. That's not to argue that any roles won't have limitations (or power-ups) that are different from the standard rules. There's lots of different ways to limit a power.

Anyroad. I have to go home now (thanks to a snow storm this morning). I may be back before deadline. Then again I might not. Doesn't really look like it's going to make much difference to the vote anyway.

I agree with this, about the possibility of more than one of some roles. Especially if there's some randomness involved with their success.

[jeheinz72]

do we have a vote count?

Posting that shortly.

[Neon_Chaos]

From my last count, I believe we have 19 or 20 votes in. I'll try to make one when I get home (should be at the house 30 min. before deadline)

[Neon_Chaos]

dola

doh. seems like jeheinz is going to go through that anyway.

[Alan T]

I honestly don't know what happened in your last game -- I was killed Night 2, and didn't follow along after that. Although I'll admit some bias -- there have been two games recently where we've both been wolves, one where I was on your side, and one where I was against you, so you are kind of naturally on my radar lately. I'll talk more about what I was reading into your post after I get a donut. But I have to say, you're being pretty defensive over a lone Day 1 vote (perhaps for the same reasons, I'm naturally on your radar as well).


I wouldn't say I'm getting overly defensive. I'm pretty much just responding with how I feel. Path disagreed with something he thought i said, and we cleared up that misunderstanding. Hoopsguy seems to disagree with several of my points, and we've left it at that. I'm responding to you because of how you are trying to dangle my name out. Instead of saying why you disagree with what I am saying, you just say something along the lines of "he just feels off".

Agree with me, or disagree with me, but here are my points:

1) The majority of people whom have commented have stated that their power is similar to what they would expect based on what they know of their character from the show.
2) Because of #1, saying our roles in this game has the risk of pretty openly revealing also what our powers are for everyont to know.
3) Sylar based on what he does in the show, likely wants to know who has certain specific roles because those are the most "juicy" for him to target
4) Jeheinz has said that you can't equate what side someone is on in the show with what side they are on in this game. ie: Hiro or Claire could be bad here.
5) Revealing roles doesn't tell us what side anyone is on because of #4, and it puts some people at risk because of #2, thus I feel that revealing roles at this point is not a good move.
6) In games where everyone has roles or abilities or powers as is the case in this game, it seems to lead to the villagers having more information than normal games each day to go on. Typically in games when you argue whether No lynch is a viable solution or not, the response question is "What would be different day 2 from day 1?" In this game because of the extra roles, it could be quite alot. Enough to at least warrant a no lynch on day 1 to see how things pan out.


Now some people disagree with #5, some disagree with #6, both is fine since that is different people's opinions. They don't have to agree with me. You on the other hand aren't contributing anythign other than "I don't like how Alan is talking". Thats my issue with you right now, and if this was a situation that I felt a lynch was worthwhile, i would be pushing for you to be lynched.

[Alan T]

I wouldn't say I'm getting overly defensive. I'm pretty much just responding with how I feel. Path disagreed with something he thought i said, and we cleared up that misunderstanding. Hoopsguy seems to disagree with several of my points, and we've left it at that. I'm responding to you because of how you are trying to dangle my name out. Instead of saying why you disagree with what I am saying, you just say something along the lines of "he just feels off".

Agree with me, or disagree with me, but here are my points:

1) The majority of people whom have commented have stated that their power is similar to what they would expect based on what they know of their character from the show.
2) Because of #1, saying our roles in this game has the risk of pretty openly revealing also what our powers are for everyont to know.
3) Sylar based on what he does in the show, likely wants to know who has certain specific roles because those are the most "juicy" for him to target
4) Jeheinz has said that you can't equate what side someone is on in the show with what side they are on in this game. ie: Hiro or Claire could be bad here.
5) Revealing roles doesn't tell us what side anyone is on because of #4, and it puts some people at risk because of #2, thus I feel that revealing roles at this point is not a good move.
6) In games where everyone has roles or abilities or powers as is the case in this game, it seems to lead to the villagers having more information than normal games each day to go on. Typically in games when you argue whether No lynch is a viable solution or not, the response question is "What would be different day 2 from day 1?" In this game because of the extra roles, it could be quite alot. Enough to at least warrant a no lynch on day 1 to see how things pan out.


Now some people disagree with #5, some disagree with #6, both is fine since that is different people's opinions. They don't have to agree with me. You on the other hand aren't contributing anythign other than "I don't like how Alan is talking". Thats my issue with you right now, and if this was a situation that I felt a lynch was worthwhile, i would be pushing for you to be lynched.

Guess I should add onto this list my additional thought that I had this morning:

7) With all of the additional powers, I wouldn't be suprised to see some roles have the ability to "escape" a night kill such as Nathan flying away.. or to live through a night kill such as Claire or Adam Monroe... So to combat that, I agree with Hoops thought that there might be multiple night kills.

[Passacaglia]

You didn't mention the heros with powers that are a bit more impressive than say Nathan's ability. Without knowing what for instance Sylar's goals are this game... I'm guessing it has something to do with hunting down a hero and killing them/taking their power.

by listing out who is whom, you pretty much open the door for Sylar to say, "Gee I don't want to target Nathan, I'll go after Claire instead".

Considering what Neon mentioned is probably likely in effort to keep a mass reveal from wrecking the game, what does everyone revealing their names do other than map things out for Sylar and/or the Company to know who to target?

Where is the positive in that? My thoughts are in a game with this many "powers" You will have people who can perhaps spy on others (invisibility?), read people's minds, etc.. and figure out when people are lying or not being honest. This just doesn't seem like a great game to open our doors wide open for the bad guys to know exactly whom to go after.

Alan, here's the post that pinged my radar. Sylar's goals are clearly stated in the rules, but you use doubt about Sylar's goals in your argument to avoid reveals.

[Alan T]

Alan, here's the post that pinged my radar. Sylar's goals are clearly stated in the rules, but you use doubt about Sylar's goals in your argument to avoid reveals.


Did you even read my post?

[Alan T]

Did you even read my post?

Dola, if you read my post, clearly the word "goals" is in reference to how he handles his night kills.. what does he do.. try to outright just kill someone? Target someone to gain a power? How does he use that power once he gains it? Can he choose each night to use a specific power he has gained in his next night kill? Can he use multiple powers? etc...

I don't even think I referenced game winning conditions once in that post... Now if it is spelled out somewhere what Sylar actually does with his powers every night, please point me to it. Otherwise I'll assume you didn't really read my post and are just scrambling in your attempt to try to cast a shadow on my attempts to provide discussion.

[Passacaglia]

I can try to give my thoughts on that along with the character list jeheinz provided.. but it would just be my speculation.. I think it would be fun conversation, but perhaps not overly useful. Perhaps if someone else who is less familiar with the show than me has a role that they can spy on others , this would be helpful for.. so I'll work on that so others can comment on it.

Alan, here was another post that pinged my radar, although reading it today, it might just be that I can't make any sense of it. Perhaps if someone else who is less familiar with the show than you has a role that I can spy on others, this would be helpful for?

I'm not bringing this up to try to accuse you -- just to figure out what you were saying. :)

[jeheinz72]

Vote Count

No Lynch (12): Alan T (167), mauboy (169), Cronin (172), NTNDeacon (174), Lathum (175), Schmidty (176), DaddyTorgo (182), Ardent Enthusiast (186), Jackal (197), NeonChaos (202), RendeR (203), Chief Rum (208)
The Jackal (3): hoopsguy (198), nfg22 (199), Mr. Wednesday (205)
RendeR (2): claphamsa (90), Greyroofoo (94)
Alan T (1): Passacaglia (146)
Mauboy1 (1): SnDvls (200)

Not Voting (4): path12, Narcizo, oliegirl, Barkeep49

Let me know if anything is incorrect (but note these aren't "official" counts in regard that things could be changing in the background)

[Passacaglia]

Did you even read my post?

Weren't you the person who called sarcasm "dumb" a few games back?

[Lathum]

Unvote NoLynch
Vote TheJackyl

I'm not really concerned with the jackyl getting lynched but some preassure may be good

[Alan T]

Alan, here was another post that pinged my radar, although reading it today, it might just be that I can't make any sense of it. Perhaps if someone else who is less familiar with the show than you has a role that I can spy on others, this would be helpful for?

I'm not bringing this up to try to accuse you -- just to figure out what you were saying. :)


If someone has the role of the invisible man, or DL or some role that allows them to "spy" on another person for the night, they could then possibly see what someone is doing.. But without knowing the theme.. they would see an action and not necessarily know if the action is one you would expect from a good role or a bad role.

My point was by listing out the possible actions we could expect to see, that player then could witness the action of another, and try to discern on their own if they feel it is something you would expect of a specific role and then have more information on whether or not to reveal something. It would be ashame for someone to reveal themselves only for clarification of a role that appears likely harmless or good in nature.

[Barkeep49]

I'm afraid I'm going to get busy and won't be able to get a vote in. Weighing all the options, it does just seem likely that there's going to be extra information tomorrow that might be able to help us, so I'm going to have to go with

Vote No Lynch

[Alan T]

Weren't you the person who called sarcasm "dumb" a few games back?

I'm not being sarcastic at all. I get burnt out in WW games often because I feel people as a group tend to just gloss over my posts or not really pay attention to what I say.. It was a reoccuring "joke" in a recent game when people would come up with -ideas- that I had previously given.

I honestly am wondering if you really read my post or just glossed through it. Because your comment about that post doesn't even match to what I said in that post. It was like you were just throwing out arguements for the sake of trying to trash me. If it was simply you just glossed over my post.. then well that is not a wolfish thing, its just damn frustrating to me that people keep doing it to me.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not being sarcastic at all. I get burnt out in WW games often because I feel people as a group tend to just gloss over my posts or not really pay attention to what I say.. It was a reoccuring "joke" in a recent game when people would come up with -ideas- that I had previously given.

I honestly am wondering if you really read my post or just glossed through it. Because your comment about that post doesn't even match to what I said in that post. It was like you were just throwing out arguements for the sake of trying to trash me. If it was simply you just glossed over my post.. then well that is not a wolfish thing, its just damn frustrating to me that people keep doing it to me.

Well, good luck figuring it out! :)

[Lathum]

If someone has the role of the invisible man, or DL or some role that allows them to "spy" on another person for the night, they could then possibly see what someone is doing.. But without knowing the theme.. they would see an action and not necessarily know if the action is one you would expect from a good role or a bad role.

My point was by listing out the possible actions we could expect to see, that player then could witness the action of another, and try to discern on their own if they feel it is something you would expect of a specific role and then have more information on whether or not to reveal something. It would be ashame for someone to reveal themselves only for clarification of a role that appears likely harmless or good in nature.

I hear ya AlanT

everyone is ignoring my ideas also

[Passacaglia]

Good idea, Lathum.

[Lathum]

Good idea, Lathum.

thanks!!

[Alan T]

:)

[Narcizo]

Not Voting (4): path12, Narcizo, oliegirl, Barkeep49

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I voted jackal back a while ago. It was at the bottom of the post and I didn't caps lock it so you might have missed it. Post #209.

[jeheinz72]

I voted jackal back a while ago. It was at the bottom of the post and I didn't caps lock it so you might have missed it. Post #209.

My bad, totally missed it. Updating soon.

[jeheinz72]

Vote Count

No Lynch (12): Alan T (167), mauboy (169), Cronin (172), NTNDeacon (174), Schmidty (176), DaddyTorgo (182), Ardent Enthusiast (186), Jackal (197), NeonChaos (202), RendeR (203), Chief Rum (208), Barkeep49 (241)
The Jackal (5): hoopsguy (198), nfg22 (199), Mr. Wednesday (205), Narcizo (209), Lathum (239)
RendeR (2): claphamsa (90), Greyroofoo (94)
Alan T (1): Passacaglia (146)
Mauboy1 (1): SnDvls (200)

Not Voting (2): path12, oliegirl

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