2008 FOFC Hardcore League

[sterlingice]

We're back! This is the third year of the FOFC Hardcore League (FYI, The companion football league, FOFC Alternate Rules Football just finished it's 3rd year as well: 2007 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=60329), 2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=51190), 2005 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=41688).). The league is a weekly H2H league rather than Roto and we try to get in a slow, live draft so you have time to think about your picks.

Previous Years: 2007 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=57541), 2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=47230)

Who Can Join
Preference goes towards members who were in the league last year. However, there are always some who don't come back so there are open spots. The league will be open exclusively to previous members until noon tomorrow. Then anyone can join. If you weren't in the league last year and want to get on the waiting list, put your name in now as it is first come, first served.

Signing Up
WHEN YOU SIGN UP, PUT A NUMBER NEXT TO YOUR NAME. I have saved a text file to my desktop with 12 numbers that will determine the draft order. Has a bit of an odd pattern to it, but that's Excel and RAND() for you.

Alternatively
Lastly, I know we're not as hardcore as you could be. So, if you want that, Toddzilla has created what looks like a great league:
2008 FOFC Extreme Baseball League (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=64074)

SI

[sterlingice]

The draft is now underway! You won't be penalized with a computer pick until tomorrow if you don't pick, but I'm all for starting early so we can get under way. Those first couple of rounds should just breeze by anyways.

Draft Order
1. CleBrownsFan (broth32), CleBrownsfan, 4
2. Greased Up Deaf Guys (provostj1985), Sublime 2, 2
3. Blacksburg Transit (Todd Akers), Toddzilla, 11
4. Pool Parties (Josh Cline), sooner333, 1
5. Clogging the Bases (dalbowski), TazFTW, 5
6. Hunters (Travis), Travis, 9
7. Troy Trojans (mizzourah71), MizzouRah, 7
8. Yellow Jacket Envy (Kevin D), Celeval, 3
9. Lawrence Lumber (sterlingice), sterlingice, 6
10. Whos Down Wit OBP? (joeylawerenceismyfather), DeTox Rox, 12
11. Go Get 'Em Tigers (redwings10050), allpro10050, 8
12. Lathums Brew Crew (lathum85), Lathum, 10

[sterlingice]

<table class="teamtable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="first">League ID#:</td> <td>156646</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">FOFC Hardcore</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">dola</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Custom League URL:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/fofc_hardcore</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Season Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">Full</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Offline Draft </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">12</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Head-to-Head </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Player Universe:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> All baseball </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade End Date:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> August 10, 2008 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 1 day </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Can't Cut List Provider:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yahoo! Sports </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Review:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> League Votes </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Post Draft Players:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Follow Waiver Rules </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Acquisitions per Week:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Min Innings Pitched:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">42</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Weekly Deadline:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Weekly on Monday </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Start Scoring on:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Roster Positions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, LF, CF, RF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Stat Categories:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OBP, SLG, IP, W, L, SV, K, ERA, WHIP</td></tr></tbody></table>







Some rules commentary

One minor change to stats. As Toddzilla mentioned last season, K/9 is redundant with K's tho one is a rate and one a counting stat. Instead, added in quality starts as it's a really good stat to measure the value of a starting pitcher. This gives another positive counting stat to W/SV and K with 2 rate stats of ERA and WHIP, and a negative counting stat in L. I feel this short changes reliever sa little and I'm just not sure how to help that out except by adding holds or blown saves which would very much overvalue RPs. Any thoughts?

Also, I increased a few positions but hopefully they are in proportion so as to not unbalance pitchers and positional players. I added a MI, CI, and OF to go along with the pitching changes (next paragraph). The bench has been increased to 5 from 4 to make up for the additional 5 active players.

Another SP has been added as has been a "P". I'm not sure I like the "P" as that opens up some loophole room but we'll go with it. Last year, I ran two leagues with weekly IP limits and 35 was just fine but 40 was too much. With an extra SP and P, I would think *42* would be just about right as if you have short lived starters, you could use that extra P for SP but with longer guys, you could go RP. Problems with injuries arise, of course, but realistically, even 5 starters should go at least 7 if not 8-10 times per week and average 5 IP per start.

Two years ago, we did daily changes. Last year it was weekly. Any thoughts? I think weekly provides more of a challenge whereas daily is more fun.

Nothing's in stone yet, of course. But the closer we get to the draft, the harder it is to change things. So, any last thoughts before I create a thread later on today?

We're going to have to go with a "quicker" live draft with time limits of maybe 6 hours as 21 players for 12 teams is 252 so that means a lot of players will need to be drafted. I'm also toying with the idea of having the first 15 rounds or so be slow, live draft and the rest be list as we will likely run out of time.

[sterlingice]

[Lathum]

In if room 10

[sterlingice]

Lathum, you have been added to the waiting list in post 2. I'm pretty sure you'll have a spot unless everyone decides to return.

SI

[allpro10050]

i would like to be added to the waiting list (8)

[sterlingice]

I forgot to add people who had posted to the other thread:

Returners:
MizzouRah
Travis
CleBrownsfan
Toddzilla

Waiting List:
DeTox Rox
Ronnie Dobbs2
Celeval


If you want to retain your spot in the order above, you need to post a number by noon tomorrow. Otherwise, you guys get bumped. But you did post first about it so you go where you are above to be fair. We should have more than enough spots for everyone.

SI

[sterlingice]

Thanks for the update.

That's going to be one heck of a league. I'm curious to see how it goes, tho I'm not sure I have time for it, myself.

SI

[MizzouRah]

The Troy Trojans are back!!!

MizzouRah - 7

[vtbub]

SI,

Open up my spot. Fantasy stuff doesn't do to much for me. Thanks for last year.

[Sublime 2]

In if there's room 2

[DeToxRox]

Team 12

[Celeval]

3

[Toddzilla]

My number is.......23

[sterlingice]

My number is.......23

It kindof lacks the "between 1 and 12"ness that it needs, tho ;)

SI

[Travis]

Count me in, number 9 please.

[Toddzilla]

I missed that part - kinda explains my place in the standings last year :)

In order of what is available - 2, 3, 11, 7, 5

[TazFTW]

Interested if a spot opens.

5

[sterlingice]

Ok, everyone has been added to the list in post 2 up to this point.

I missed that part - kinda explains my place in the standings last year :)

In order of what is available - 2, 3, 11, 7, 5

I went with 11 for you since, in theory, 2 and 3 are claimed by people on the waiting list and I'm trying not to double up for confusion.

Also, join up in the league if you want. You're guaranteed a spot since you were in last year (and didn't go inactive).

SI

[sterlingice]

Had a minor update. Didn't realize there was a Japanese game this year on the 25th for a kindof opening day. So, the draft will have to be done by the 21st or there will be a quick draft that night (the 21st is a Friday) to finish.

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

I'll take lucky number sleven! Looking forward to getting the draft started!

[sterlingice]

I'll take lucky number sleven! Looking forward to getting the draft started!

MizzouRah's already got 7.

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

Okay - I'll take #3...

[sterlingice]

Okay - I'll take #3...

In theory, Celeval's already got #3 and I'm trying not to overlap who is in and who is on the waiting list...

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

arggg... pick me a number that is available then ;)

[Toddzilla]

One minor change to stats. As Toddzilla mentioned last season, K/9 is redundant with K's tho one is a rate and one a counting stat. Instead, added in quality starts as it's a really good stat to measure the value of a starting pitcher. This gives another positive counting stat to W/SV and K with 2 rate stats of ERA and WHIP, and a negative counting stat in L. I feel this short changes reliever sa little and I'm just not sure how to help that out except by adding holds or blown saves which would very much overvalue RPs. Any thoughts?Quality starts is a nebulous, somewhat manufactured attempt to measure quality - and it fails.

Add Innings Pitched. It rewards starters who go long in games (i.e. the good ones) and throws a bone to decent relievers. IMO its the most underrated fantasy stat we have.

[sterlingice]

arggg... pick me a number that is available then ;)

I can't do that because I have the list and I get the last number available since it's the only fair way. But there is a list of numbers picked in the 2nd post

SI

[sterlingice]

FYI- I probably won't be able to check this again until this afternoon/evening. Remember, at noon, if you are on the waiting list, you can join, provided you adhere to the order in post 2 and subsequent posts in the next 2 hours from returning members.

SI

[sterlingice]

Quality starts is a nebulous, somewhat manufactured attempt to measure quality - and it fails.

Add Innings Pitched. It rewards starters who go long in games (i.e. the good ones) and throws a bone to decent relievers. IMO its the most underrated fantasy stat we have.

But how does that help in a weekly H2H league where there's an innings limit. Either you get full points for IP or you get 0 pitching points.

Well, I guess not. Now that I think about it, it rewards people for adding to their counting stats. You can qualify and still get more IPs. However, it does bias the category towards whoever has more 2 start guys that week.

With IP, the league would almost certainly have to be weekly changes so that people don't just load up towards the end of the week with WW fodder. Any thoughts on weekly vs daily changes? Anyone?

SI

[Travis]

But how does that help in a weekly H2H league where there's an innings limit. Either you get full points for IP or you get 0 pitching points.

Well, I guess not. Now that I think about it, it rewards people for adding to their counting stats. You can qualify and still get more IPs. However, it does bias the category towards whoever has more 2 start guys that week.

With IP, the league would almost certainly have to be weekly changes so that people don't just load up towards the end of the week with WW fodder. Any thoughts on weekly vs daily changes? Anyone?

SI

Personally I like the strategy aspect of weekly changes vs daily. I have more time than most (I'm guessing) to play with daily changes, but if not every owner can have that sort of access it's definitely better for the league to go weekly imho.

[Lathum]

I like weekly. It is a pain if you are on vacation, etc.. to change your lineup.

[Lathum]

In

[CleBrownsfan]

I can't do that because I have the list and I get the last number available since it's the only fair way. But there is a list of numbers picked in the 2nd post

SI

okay - looks like #4 is available...

[Sublime 2]

FYI- I probably won't be able to check this again until this afternoon/evening. Remember, at noon, if you are on the waiting list, you can join, provided you adhere to the order in post 2 and subsequent posts in the next 2 hours from returning members.

SI

Joined as the Greased Up Deaf Guys

[DeToxRox]

Team Pubik Mullet is ready to rumble if needed

[sterlingice]

Team Pubik Mullet is ready to rumble if needed

I'm guessing you went with the more Michigan themed team name...

Also, Red Sux and Exploding Methlabs, not sure who is who between Celeval, TazFTW, and allpro10050. Hell, Exploding Methlabs could be a fine Kansas City fan, for all I know, considering KC's standing as a meth lab capital ;)

As such I don't know who hasn't signed up. Either way, there is one free spot open right now to whoever signs up and posts in this thread. If the other spot isn't claimed by the third of the three above, then it will also open up at noon tomorrow to whoever else signs up and posts in the thread.

Provided we get a full league by tomorrow night, I'll post the draft order and we will start tomorrow night/Wednesday morning.

SI

[sterlingice]

Also, sounds like weekly roster changes is the preferred setting so I'll leave it at that.

Any thoughts on IP vs QS or another pitching stat? I've changed it over to IP unless there are compelling arguments to anything else.

SI

[DeToxRox]

Remind me to pick as many Reds as possible so I can get guys who won't get on base a lot because it's not recommended by their skip.

[sterlingice]

Remind me to pick as many Reds as possible so I can get guys who won't get on base a lot because it's not recommended by their skip.

Someone should start up a Dusty Baker league where you have roto stats like "HR, K (they're manly), BB (negative), RBI, RBI, RBI, and MI (middle infielder starts)"

SI

[DeToxRox]

Someone should start up a Dusty Baker league where you have roto stats like "HR, K (they're manly), BB (negative), RBI, RBI, RBI, and MI (middle infielder starts)"

SI

Brandon Inge goes #1

[sooner333]

I'm in as the Pool Parties (tentative name...I'm in a law school league with my team name from last season, don't want to get confused).

I'll take #1

[sooner333]

Dola--I just assumed since there were open spots in the league, that there was still room. Sifting through the posts in here and trying to figure out if everyone on the waiting list got a spot proved to be too confusing. If I took someone's spot, I will delete my team to make room...just let me know.

[allpro10050]

Also, Red Sux and Exploding Methlabs, not sure who is who between Celeval, TazFTW, and allpro10050.


im Go Get 'Em Tigers.

[TazFTW]

In as Clogging the Bases

[sterlingice]

Dola--I just assumed since there were open spots in the league, that there was still room. Sifting through the posts in here and trying to figure out if everyone on the waiting list got a spot proved to be too confusing. If I took someone's spot, I will delete my team to make room...just let me know.

Nope, you're good. We had one open spot left and with that, we're full.

SI

[sterlingice]

im Go Get 'Em Tigers.

Whoops. I completely botched that last night when sifting through teams.

So, now I have two teams who I'm not sure they're attached to:

Exploding Methlabs (oneoutlawtorn)
Red Sux (yankpats)

One is celeval, the other is DeToxRox but I'm not sure who is who.

Also, everyone check the second post and make sure I have your information right and correct me if I'm wrong.

And now, the draft order...

SI

[sterlingice]

Numbers
4
2
11
1
5
9
7
3
6
12
8
10

Draft Order (Snake Draft)
1. CleBrownsFan (broth32), CleBrownsfan, 4
2. Greased Up Deaf Guys (provostj1985), Sublime 2, 2
3. Blacksburg Transit (Todd Akers), Toddzilla, 11
4. Pool Parties (Josh Cline), sooner333, 1
5. Clogging the Bases (dalbowski), TazFTW, 5
6. Hunters (Travis), Travis, 9
7. Troy Trojans (mizzourah71), MizzouRah, 7
8. Team (username), Celeval, 3
9. Lawrence Lumber (sterlingice), sterlingice, 6
10. Team (username), DeTox Rox, 12
11. Go Get 'Em Tigers (redwings10050), allpro10050, 8
12. Lathums Brew Crew (lathum85), Lathum, 10

This will be updated in the draft post. I still need team names for DeTox Rox and Celeval.

The settings are now set, so to speak. We will be going with those roster spots, those statistical categories, and weekly changes.

Lastly, time to go back over the draft as it's a pretty rigorous schedule. From the draft post:

There are 6 hour time limits between the hours of 8am CT and 10pm CT on weekdays. Hopefully we don't have to enforce this but we almost always have to a couple of times during the draft.

Also, a little addendum to keep people checking every night and morning. If you had more than an hour the previous night (the previous pick was made at 9pm), you get 1 hour in the morning (until 9am) to make your pick. If you had less than an hour, you have 2 hours in the morning (until 10am). We have to keep this moving and we need everyone checking every night and every morning if it's near their turn.

On weekends, we'll just go with a standard 6 hours with no morning/evening provision but let's try to keep things moving.

If there are problems in that you know your pick is coming up but you won't be online, submit a list either to myself or to a proxy drafter for you. Otherwise, you will get the next player on Yahoo's list. Maybe pick someone who is on the opposite end of the draft from you so that you likely won't be grabbing from the same pool of players anyways.

So make sure to check every evening and morning. Also, remember, if we aren't done by Thurs Mar 20th at noon, there will be a quick live chat via AIM on the evening of Friday Mar 21st (7pm CT) so make arrangements for that.

SI

[Toddzilla]

So when do we start?

[sterlingice]

I have added everyone who has an AIM profile into Trillian for me so I can try to remind people when it's their turn. But I have this pesky "work" thing that gets in my way so no guarantees.

Also, anyone who doesn't have AIM and would like to get reminders, PM me with an IM account name.

SI

[sterlingice]

So when do we start?

We are now under way

(As previously stated, we don't officially start until tomorrow morning in that there are no penalties. But whoever is on the clock tomorrow morning will have to pick by 9/10am as laid out in the rules or have Yahoo pick for them)
SI

[Lathum]

It may be in the rules somewhere but the draft snakes, correct?

[sterlingice]

It may be in the rules somewhere but the draft snakes, correct?

Yeah, I guess I didn't put it anywhere, but yes it's a snake draft. It's not a keeper league so anything else wouldn't be fair :)

SI

[Lathum]

Yeah, I guess I didn't put it anywhere, but yes it's a snake draft. It's not a keeper league so anything else wouldn't be fair :)

SI

agreed.

I actualy prefer to pick later in a snake draft so I'm pleased

[CleBrownsfan]

Game on!

1.1 Alex Rodriguez 3B

I just set up a new AIM - NAME: CleBrownsFan32

[DeToxRox]

We shall be team Who's Down wit OBP?

[sterlingice]

And we're off! Sublime 2 is up.

SI

[DeToxRox]

sublime asked me to pick todd vam poppel for him

[sterlingice]

Red Sux and Exploding Methlabs have been kicked out of the league as I have no idea who they are and, talking with Celeval, he wasn't one. Also, DeTox Rox, could you also join up?

SI

[Celeval]

Yellow Jacket Envy has joined.

[Celeval]

FYI, I am Celeval on AIM and kdonnelly_ep on Yahoo

[sterlingice]

sublime asked me to pick todd vam poppel for him

Any relation to Todd Van Poppel? ;)

SI

[MizzouRah]

I'm not seeing the draft working on the website.. what am I missing?

[Lathum]

I'm not seeing the draft working on the website.. what am I missing?

unless I am mistaken we post our picks in the thread

[sterlingice]

Yeah, Yahoo doesn't have the capacity for a slow, live draft on the free accounts. So, we'll be posting in the thread.

SI

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, Yahoo doesn't have the capacity for a slow, live draft on the free accounts. So, we'll be posting in the thread.

SI

Ok, my fault for not reading. ;)

I liked it last year.. that way we could see who has been taken.. I guess you'll find a away to make a chart or something?

[Sublime 2]

I'm here, pick to follow shortly.

[Sublime 2]

1.2 Hanley Ramirez SS

[TazFTW]

Another SP has been added as has been a "P". I'm not sure I like the "P" as that opens up some loophole room but we'll go with it. Last year, I ran two leagues with weekly IP limits and 35 was just fine but 40 was too much. With an extra SP and P, I would think *42* would be just about right as if you have short lived starters, you could use that extra P for SP but with longer guys, you could go RP. Problems with injuries arise, of course, but realistically, even 5 starters should go at least 7 if not 8-10 times per week and average 5 IP per start.

How many pitcher slots do we have? I'm new to the league and the above says "Another SP has been added". I only see 1 SP, 2 RP, and 1 P slot.

[Travis]

How many pitcher slots do we have? I'm new to the league and the above says "Another SP has been added". I only see 1 SP, 2 RP, and 1 P slot.

Good call, checked the yahoo site and that's how it's listed as well, something funky is up. Can't remember offhand what we had last year but it was 2 each of SP, RP and P that we had to start on a weekly basis wasn't it?

[Toddzilla]

1.3 David Wright 3B

[Lathum]

1.3 David Wright 3B

I hate you

[sooner333]

1.4 Jose Reyes SS

[Lathum]

1.4 Jose Reyes SS

I hate you too

[TazFTW]

1.5 Matt Holliday LF

[sterlingice]

Good call, checked the yahoo site and that's how it's listed as well, something funky is up. Can't remember offhand what we had last year but it was 2 each of SP, RP and P that we had to start on a weekly basis wasn't it?

Ok, that's really, really weird. It must have bork'd the settings when I went to change up the stats.

Here's how it should be and it's updated in rules post (or will be once I finish this post): SP, SP, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P.

SI

[sterlingice]

Draft post updated thru 1.5 now, too

SI

[Travis]

1.6 Chase Utley 2B

[sterlingice]

Looks like MizzouRah will have until 9am tomorrow to make his pick as we officially get under way.

SI

[sterlingice]

C'mon, Todd, we all know who you have a mancrush on so pick Pujols so we can move on ;)

SI

[sterlingice]

(not that we should need it, but to clarify, if we have to autopick, it will be by Yahoo O-Rank, not Rank as "rank" is just where the stats were last season)

EDIT: Good news. As long as I edit in the draft as we are making it (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/156646/draftresults (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/156646/draftresults%29)), then when you go to players page, you can just see who is left on the board and not all players. I think this is new to Yahoo this year. But the long and short is, it makes it easy to track who has and hasn't been taken on the "players" page and if you go there, you will see who is left (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/156646/players ).
(http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/156646/players)
SI

[Lathum]

that is helpfull

[sterlingice]

Looks like Todd's time is up, so, as we all knew, he has picked

1.7 Albert Pujols

Celeval is up

SI

[MizzouRah]

Looks like Todd's time is up, so, as we all knew, he has picked

1.7 Albert Pujols

Celeval is up

SI

Thank you. Really sorry, I'm running about 103 degree fever right now and finally worked up enough strength to get out of bed. Perfect pick!

[Celeval]

Will pick during my lunch hour in a short bit.

[Celeval]

3B Miguel Cabrera

[allpro10050]

3B Miguel Cabrera

:mad:

[sterlingice]

I, too, am displeased by this pick. Particularly since I'm up now...

SI

[sterlingice]

Ok, Cabrera was my top pick and was for the next two guys since they're Tigers fans, it appears. So with that gone..

1.9 1B Prince Fielder

SI

[DeToxRox]

who's down with obp select SS Jimmy Rollins

[allpro10050]

1.11 Ryan Howard

[Toddzilla]

who's down with obp select SS Jimmy Rollinsplease stop causing problems and follow the format :)

[DeToxRox]

please stop causing problems and follow the format :)

Ha I apologize. I am posting from my phone and I can't get it to bold.

[Lathum]

ok, picks coming in a sec

[Lathum]

1.12 Johan Santana

[Lathum]

2.1 Jake Peavy

[Lathum]

see you guys in 2 days :)

[CleBrownsfan]

damn - b2b sp's!

[sterlingice]

Dang, I was hoping my boy Peavy would fall to me :(

SI

[sterlingice]

damn - b2b sp's!

Not only that but awesome ones...

SI

[sterlingice]

Draft post and league have been updated thru 2.1

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

Not only that but awesome ones...

SI

I would hope they are since he took him with his 1st two picks :cool:

[Lathum]

damn - b2b sp's!

best 2 players on the board

[Lathum]

I would hope they are since he took him with his 1st two picks :cool:

30 HR guys are a dime a dozen ans all the other top tier players were outfielders for the most part.

Figured I would try and corner a market.

[allpro10050]

2.2 Vladimir Guerrero

[DeToxRox]

2.3 -Carl Crawford

[sterlingice]

I was considering adding a second Brewer to my team but figured that would make it too Milwaukee heavy. So, instead I went down the Lake Michigan coast a couple of hours

2.4 Alfonso Soriano

(This move may look really stupid come September if Braun does what he did last year...)

SI

[Lathum]

I almost took Braun

[sterlingice]

Draft post and league have been updated. Will probably not update for a few hours now but my next pick probably won't be until tomorrow...

SI

[Celeval]

:mad:

I, too, am displeased by this pick. Particularly since I'm up now...

3B Miguel Cabrera


I am perfectly willing to discuss compensation for Cabrera's rights.

:)

[sterlingice]

How about making your next pick instead ;)

SI

[Celeval]

Doh, didn't realize.

CF Grady Sizemore

[MizzouRah]

2.6 Ichiro Suzuki

[Travis]

2.7 Ryan Braun 3B

And just to point out to avoid confusion, 2.5 was Sizemore making Mizzou's pick above 2.6.

[TazFTW]

2.8 David Ortiz

[sterlingice]

Post and Yahoo updated thru 2.8

SI

[sooner333]

2.8 B.J. Upton 2B, CF

[sooner333]

I meant 2.9, sorry. Dont' want to edit the post to cause any confusion.

[Toddzilla]

2.10 Mark Teixeira

[Sublime 2]

2.11 Brandon Phillips 2B

[sterlingice]

I see both CleBrownsfan and Sublime 2 online so we'll flip back around fairly soon. I'm updating the site and draft post currently.

SI

[Toddzilla]

I'll be on tomorrow morning...

[CleBrownsfan]

2.12 Magglio Ordonez OF

3.1 Victor Martinez C

Victor may be a few picks to early but I have to pick one of my fav players....

[Sublime 2]

3.2 Carlos Beltran CF

[sterlingice]

Draft post and league have been updated thru 3.2

SI

[Toddzilla]

3.3 Carlos Lee

wtf...I couldn't sleep :)

[sterlingice]

Board and Yahoo have been updated thru 3.3 and sooner333 is first up with until 10am CT to pick.

SI

[sooner333]

3.4 C.C. Sabathia SP

[Toddzilla]

who's on the clock?

hey, I just noticed that you put a link to the FOFC-XBL on the first post - that's very cool, man. Thanks!

[sterlingice]

who's on the clock?

hey, I just noticed that you put a link to the FOFC-XBL on the first post - that's very cool, man. Thanks!

TazFTW
Travis
MizzouRah

Like you said in yours- there's no need to compete, there's more than enough baseball interest to go around on the board :)

In terms of user name, here's the complete order:
1. CleBrownsfan
2. Sublime 2
3. Toddzilla
4. sooner333
5. TazFTW
6. Travis
7. MizzouRah
8. Celeval
9. sterlingice
10. DeTox Rox
11. allpro10050
12. Lathum

SI

[Toddzilla]

Thanks, brother...

OK, Taz, win if you can, survive if I let you, but make your pick will ya?

;)

[TazFTW]

3.5 Josh Beckett SP

[Travis]

3.6 Russell Martin C

[Lathum]

I have class at 1:00 EST bur will be able to pick by 2:00 EST if my turn comes up

[MizzouRah]

Damn you Taz! ;)

3.7 Brandon Webb

[Celeval]

3.8 CF Curtis Granderson

[Celeval]

Apparently, I am the all-AL-Central team.

[sterlingice]

Wow- that was quick. I'll be picking shortly.

SI

[sterlingice]

Damn you Taz! ;)

3.7 Brandon Webb

Damn you. I'd rather have Webb than Beckett.

SI

[sterlingice]

May not be the absolute best but I have to get one of my favorites

3.9 Lance Berkman

SI

[Toddzilla]

Pretty damn good pick for the middle of round 3 IMO

[DeToxRox]

3.10 - 1B Justin Morneau

[allpro10050]

3.11 Erik Bedard

[Lathum]

picks coming shortly

[MizzouRah]

Damn you. I'd rather have Webb than Beckett.

SI

Tough call for sure. I still think the Diamondbacks have the best pitching staff in the NL.

[Lathum]

3.12 Travis Hafner

This is the guy I was hoping would fall when I picked 2 SP's. He is poised for a monster comeback season.

[CleBrownsfan]

3.12 Travis Hafner

This is the guy I was hoping would fall when I picked 2 SP's. He is poised for a monster comeback season.

As a die hard Tribe fan - I hope so! :D

[Lathum]

4.1 Aramis Ramirez

[Lathum]

see you guys in 2 days :)

[allpro10050]

4.2 Manny Ramirez

[DeToxRox]

4.3 - Justin Verlander

[Celeval]

As a die hard Tribe fan - I hope so! :D

+1, I was hoping he'd fall to me at 4.5.

[sterlingice]

So, between Bedard, Aramis, and Manny, there went my top 3 picks that I had hoped would make it back around to me...

SI

[sterlingice]

I was all over the board with what I wanted to do with this pick but decided on...

4.4 Cole Hamels

SI

[sterlingice]

Draft board and Yahoo have been updated. I'm on call tonight and already have calls scheduled for 3:30 and 5 and that doesn't include the hour long commute home so updates on my end might be a bit slow but that shouldn't stop anyone from picking...

SI

[MizzouRah]

Being on call sucks!!

[Celeval]

Eh... I don't like doing this, but can't talk myself out of it.

4.5 RP Jonathan Papelbon

[Lathum]

Man, I dunno about the last 2 picks.

A guy who plays in a little league field and a closer...

[MizzouRah]

4.6 SS Derek Jeter

[Celeval]

Man, I dunno about the last 2 picks.

A guy who plays in a little league field and a closer...

Yeah, I may end up regretting that, but I've got too many questions about SPs to give a fourth rounder there.

[Travis]

4.7 Troy Tulowitzki SS

[TazFTW]

4.8 Dan Haren SP

[sooner333]

4.9 Adam Dunn LF

[Toddzilla]

4.10 Carlos Guillen SS

[Lathum]

I love the Haren pick

[DeToxRox]

I love the Haren pick

Couldn't decide between he and Verlander, but my Tigs fandom won out. I do think Verlander will win the AL Cy this year though, so I am not upset I took him, but if Bedard had been there he would've been mine.

[Sublime 2]

4.11 Roy Oswalt SP

[CleBrownsfan]

4.12 John Lackey SP

5.1 Chone Figgins 2B, 3B, RF

[Sublime 2]

5.2 Aaron Harang SP

[Toddzilla]

5.3 Brian Roberts 2B

[sooner333]

5.4 Carlos Zambrano SP

[TazFTW]

5.5 Garrett Atkins 3B

[Travis]

5.6 Felix Hernandez SP

[sterlingice]

Cool- looks like the next 3 of us are online. Guess which one of us is on call and has to go to Holton, KS in about an hour and a half.

You on call tonight, Todd?

SI

[MizzouRah]

5.7 SP Roy Halladay

[MizzouRah]

Cool- looks like the next 3 of us are online. Guess which one of us is on call and has to go to Holton, KS in about an hour and a half.

You on call tonight, Todd?

SI

Heck no, I have strep throat.. I feel for you though. :(

Good night all!

[sterlingice]

Heck no, I have strep throat.. I feel for you though. :(

Good night all!

I think I feel more for you than me. Jon had strep 3 times last year including in January and had to have his tonsils out. Sounded pretty bad.

SI

[MizzouRah]

I think I feel more for you than me. Jon had strep 3 times last year including in January and had to have his tonsils out. Sounded pretty bad.

SI

Mine have been out for years.. although this is the first time I've been really sick in a few years. :(

[Toddzilla]

I used to get strep 3-4 times a year and my doctor kept telling me not to bother with my tonsils. Finally I'd had enough and went to an ear,nose&throat doctor and he told me my tonsils were the worst he'd ever seen and I needed them out 10 years ago. Had the surgery in December of 2005 to take them out and I haven't been sick since.

[Sublime 2]

5.7 SP Roy Halladay

Like the pick.
Couldn't decide between Halladay and Harang.

[Celeval]

5.8 RF Alex Rios

[sterlingice]

5.8 RF Alex Rios

I don't quite understand why everyone has him listed so high when he hasn't topped 25 homers or 20 sb's but I think I'm just missing something. But if he lives up to expectations, this is going to be one of the steals of the draft.

Anyways, on to my pick...

5.9 Robinson Cano

SI

[sterlingice]

Ok, draft post and league are updated thru 5.9. I'm kindof tempted to get lazy and just start cutting and pasting the Yahoo draft page results instead of typing it in myself (see draft post currently)

SI

[DeToxRox]

5.10 - C Brian McCann

[Lathum]

I PM'd my picks to SI in case I'm not around in the mornong

[CleBrownsfan]

Ok, draft post and league are updated thru 5.9. I'm kindof tempted to get lazy and just start cutting and pasting the Yahoo draft page results instead of typing it in myself (see draft post currently)

SI

go for it....

[Celeval]

I don't quite understand why everyone has him listed so high when he hasn't topped 25 homers or 20 sb's but I think I'm just missing something. But if he lives up to expectations, this is going to be one of the steals of the draft.

Here's hoping. :)

[allpro10050]

5.11 Nick Markakis

[sterlingice]

Lathum's two picks are as follows:

5.12 Eric Byrnes
6.1 Bobby Abreu

SI

[allpro10050]

6.2 Scott Kazmir

[MizzouRah]

Like the pick.
Couldn't decide between Halladay and Harang.

With some old friends heading to Toronto this year (Eckstein and Rolen), I think Toronto could give it a decent run and it all starts with Halladay. :)

I almost picked Rios here...

[DeToxRox]

6.3 3B - Ryan Zimmerman

[sterlingice]

I was glad that only 2 the three on my board were picked (McCann, Kazmir) so at least I can still get the last of my three picks:

6.4 Joe Mauer

SI

[sterlingice]

Draft updated thru 6.4 now on Yahoo and post

SI

[Celeval]

Damn, was hoping for Mauer. Well, this should be interesting. I've never been "that guy" before.

6.5 J.J. Putz

[MizzouRah]

6.6 3B Chipper Jones

[Travis]

6.7 Tim Lincecum SP

[sterlingice]

Post and Yahoo have been updated thru 6.7

SI

[TazFTW]

6.8 Carlos Pena 1B

Please don't go back to sucking.

[sooner333]

6.9 Hunter Pence CF, RF

[Toddzilla]

6.10 Rafael Furcal SS

[Sublime 2]

6.11 Derrek Lee 1B

[Toddzilla]

lets go!

[CleBrownsfan]

6.12 Fausto Carmona SP

7.1 Torii Hunter CF

[Sublime 2]

Homer Pick...

7.2 Daisuke Matsuzaka SP

[Lathum]

lets go!

I'll be here all night, my wife is away for the weekend

[Coffee Warlord]

6.11 Derrek Lee 1B

Very surprised how far he fell.

[sterlingice]

I guess when he said "let's go", he meant he was leaving ;)

SI

[Lathum]

lol

[sterlingice]

Very surprised how far he fell.

I already had a 1B or I would have picked him last round. I figured he was a nice bargain pick for whoever got him.

SI

[Lathum]

I would have taken him but Hafner instead

[MizzouRah]

Lots of good 1B in baseball.

[Toddzilla]

7.3 Corey Hart OF

[sterlingice]

My bad, Toddzilla had PM'd me with his pick but I hadn't been able to check until just a few minutes ago myself. Damn work.

SI

[MizzouRah]

6.12 Fausto Carmona SP

7.1 Torii Hunter CF


Noooooooooooo, not Fausto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[sterlingice]

Wow. I didn't realize he was so coveted. I figure he'd be around for a bit longer.

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and post updated thru 7.3

SI

[Toddzilla]

Wow. I didn't realize he was so coveted. I figure he'd be around for a bit longer.

SILOL - I had him slotted in round 21, so I was a tad surprised too.

[MizzouRah]

Wow. I didn't realize he was so coveted. I figure he'd be around for a bit longer.

SI

Sophomore season this year I think? Other than that, he had a stellar year last year.

[Toddzilla]

I'm going to bed - is this supposed to continue over the weekend, or is the next *required* pick on Monday?

[sterlingice]

It continues over the weekend between 8 and 10. However, the timer doesn't reset in the morning so that picks have to be made at 9/10. So, for instance, the next pick has to be made by around 10ish tomorrow because it will have been 4 hours tonight and 2 tomorrow.

SI

[Toddzilla]

Cool - if I'm up and not around, you've got a guy to pick for me if need be - but I'll be checking in.

Thanks a million for running the show btw - great job so far!

[sterlingice]

I have a pretty busy weekend with in-laws in town and being on call but hopefully we can still move the draft a little. I'm sure lots of people have similarly busy weekends.

FYI, If people don't get their picks in and I'm not awake tomorrow morning, here are the next 3 players on Yahoo's list:
RP Joe Nathan
CF Chris Young
2B Ian Kinsler

The next pick is due at 10:15am (CT) tomorrow morning and if there is no pick by then, Pool Parties will get Joe Nathan and the draft will move on. But we're only halfway through the time so I'm sure we'll move some.

SI

[sterlingice]

Also, remember, if you know you'll be out, you can submit a list or partial list. If I or someone else gets a partial list and all the players are gone by the time a pick is due, then the clock starts and nothing is lost.

That said, I don't really plan on being awake at 10:15am tomorrow morning if I can help it. ;)

SI

[sooner333]

7.4 Chris Young SP

[MizzouRah]

Also, remember, if you know you'll be out, you can submit a list or partial list. If I or someone else gets a partial list and all the players are gone by the time a pick is due, then the clock starts and nothing is lost.

That said, I don't really plan on being awake at 10:15am tomorrow morning if I can help it. ;)

SI

10:15? You need 2 kids, 3 dogs, 2 cats, and 2 guinea pigs!!! :D

[TazFTW]

7.5 Ian Kinsler 2B

[Travis]

7.6 Vernon Wells CF

[MizzouRah]

7.7 Brad Hawpe RF

[Celeval]

7.8 SS Michael Young

[sterlingice]

7.9 RP Francisco Rodriguez

SI

[DeToxRox]

7.10 SP John Smoltz

[sterlingice]

I hate to go closer in H2H but he's the last elite one since Nathan runs a good risk of being dealt and you know someone like the Yankees would go "he's a great closer, so let's have him pitch the 7th for us".

Not only that, but last year, there were never closers in the WW pool and it's going to be even worse this year when you can go 3 closers with that P spot so everyone expecting to pick up cheap saves in rounds 20+ is going to find out that everyone else is...

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and post updated thru 7.10

SI

[MizzouRah]

7.10 SP John Smoltz

One of my favorite pitchers of all time!

[Lathum]

I'm ready whenever allpro shows up

[sterlingice]

I'm heading out for a couple of hours- need to run a couple of errands before the inlaws arrive, but worst case scenario is that my next pick will be around 3pm. But that means allpro, Lathum, Lathum, allpro, and detox will have had to pick by then...

SI

[allpro10050]

7.11 Gary Sheffield

[Lathum]

7.12 Miguel Tejada

[Lathum]

8.1 Dan Uggla

If he can raise his avarage could be a steal here

[allpro10050]

8.2 Ben Sheets

[DeToxRox]

8.3 - OF/1B Nick Swisher

Swish in that lineup, in that ballpark. He could have 30 HR and 100 RBI for sure.

[sterlingice]

Ok, I'm back and am researching my pick, probably for the next 10 minutes.

SI

[sterlingice]

Decided to add a second Phillies starter. Scary...

8.4 Brett Myers

SI

[Celeval]

8.5 2B Howie Kendrick

[Lathum]

Decided to add a second Phillies starter. Scary...

8.4 Brett Myers

SI

nah

a 6.00 ERA is good

[sterlingice]

Wow. Half the league is online...

SI

[sterlingice]

(I'm texting MizzouRah currently so that pick will be done in the next few minutes)

SI

[sterlingice]

MizzouRah texted me a proxy pick

8.6 Brad Penny

SI

[Travis]

8.7 Francisco Liriano SP