The FOFC Hockey Draft - Draft Underway

[Dr. Sak]

Since the playoff races are heating up, and my Flyers are shitting the bed, I need to find some other way to get my hockey fix. So without further wait...Welcome to the FOFC Hockey Draft!

In the time honored tradition of FOFC drafts created and primarily run by Maple Leafs, I will be running a Hockey draft.

FOFC Hockey Draft

This Draft will consist of 10 rounds.

How To Play

If you want to play, PM me. If there's a lot of interest, I'll randomly select ten players. By "randomly" I mean that after a day or so, I'll "randomly" pick whichever ten to twelve people I want.

The draft will be conducted via the forum, in a separate draft thread. When it's your turn to draft, you post, ideally with a brief note about the reason for your choice. If you won't be around, you PM someone else your picks in advance to keep things moving. You will agree to this, and then not do it. This will slow up the draft and annoy everyone. You won't care, you selfish prick.

The draft is a serpentine draft -- that the order reverses each round. Draft order will be determined before we start.

How to win

The fun here comes more from the draft itself than from actually winning, but just in case it matters: Once the draft is done, we'll hold a vote and let FOFC choose the winner. FOFC will pick someone shitty. They always do.

To win you want to assemble the best team of players possible. So in the enforcer category, you do not want someone who can just fight, you want someone who can fight and also play hockey.

The Rosters

You will draft a "team" of nine players and one coach. The idea is to assemble the best possible roster, using your awesome knowledge of hockey as well as your crafty drafting skills. Trades are allowed, as long as they don't slow down the action (the idea is to keep things moving as quickly as possible).

Your team will consist of ten players, at the following positions:

Three Forwards In These Categories

Power Forward:

Sniper:

Playmaker:

Two Defensemen in These Catagories

Offensive Defenseman:

Lockdown Defensman:

Five Other Positions

Big Hitter (can be a forward or defenseman):

Leader (Captain):

Enforcer:

Goalie:

Head Coach:

Additional rules thrown in to make it needlessly complicated

1) Once you draft a player from a team, you cannot draft another player from that team or any other team he played for the rest of the draft.

2) No player may be drafted more than once.

<strike>3) When drafting a specific player, you must note which team he is from. For example, if you draft Wayne Gretzky from Edmonton, his stats/skills while playing for the Oilers are the only ones that should be noted.</strike>

4) You are encouraged to write up a little piece on each of your picks to explain why you chose a player for that certain category. It could help you later on when it comes time for voting.

5) Since rule #1 was altered to include all the teams a player has played for...you are allowed to draft players from defunct teams. For example if you draft someone from Hartford, that does NOT eliminate Carolina. Same goes for Winnipeg and Phoenix...etc..etc. It only counts if they played for both Hartford and Carolina. Then both teams would be eliminated.

A few notes

The draft is open to everyone -- observers are welcome. Discussion of picks is encouraged. In general, it's considered very poor form to suggest picks during the draft -- the equivalent of being the guy who doesn't play poker but sits at the rail and shouts out to get attention. However, it will happen. If you're the sort of person who thinks you'd be really, really bothered by this, do yourself a favor and don't play.

A final note

If the idea of doing a just-for-fun draft strikes as you as stupid and/or pathetic, but you're the type of person who likes to post about text sims on an internet forum... well, you may want to give this a miss until your sense of irony develops a little more.

Teams Used

Johnny93g - Boston, Chicago, Montreal, Toronto, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, NY Rangers, St Louis, NYI, Washington, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Calgary, Philadelphia, Florida, NJ
vtbub - Edmonton, LA, NYR, St Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Buffalo, Colorado, Boston, Washington, NYI, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Toronto, Winnipeg, Phoenix
DeToXRoX/Fidatelo - Detroit, Dallas, Minnesota North Stars, Chicago, Hartford, Winnipeg, Boston, LA, Colorado, Florida, Vancouver, Phoenix, Edmonton, NY Rangers, Montreal, Toronto, Buffalo, Atlanta, NJ
Oilers9911 - Detroit, Hartford, Chicago, Boston, NY Rangers, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec, NJ, St Louis, Calgary, Vancouver, Florida, Ottawa, Edmonton, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Minnesota North Stars
Maple Leafs - Pittsburgh, NY Islanders, LA, Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver, Florida, NYR, Toronto, Hartford, Philadelphia, Edmonton, San Jose, Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Colorado, Columbus
Suburban Rhythm - Colorado, Quebec, NY Islanders, Chicago, Ottawa, Detroit, Buffalo, Dallas, Pittsburgh, NYR, Boston, Montreal, Washington, New Jersey, Edmonton, Philadelphia, Toronto, Calgary, St. Louis, LA
Chief Rum - Boston, Colorado, Chicago, Hartford, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Toronto, New Jersey, Anaheim, Montreal, NY Rangers, Quebec, Detroit, Philadelphia, Edmonton, Florida, St Louis, Atlanta, Ottawa, Dallas, Calgary, Tampa Bay
TazFTW - Edmonton, NYR, Vancouver, Montreal, Pittsburgh, NY Islanders, Boston, Winnipeg, St Louis, Atlanta, Phoenix, Quebec, Washington, Colorado, LA, Columbus, Detroit, New Jersey, Chicago, San Jose, Dallas, Toronto, Florida
Lathum - Montreal, NJ Devils, NY Islanders, LA, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, Washington, Quebec, Colorado, Philadelphia, Nashville, Ottawa, Atlanta, Toronto, Tampa Bay, Florida, Boston, San Jose, NYR
Honolulu_Blue - Boston, Vancouver, Montreal, Colorado, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toronto, Hartford, St. Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim, Atlanta, Minnesota Wild, NYR, Buffalo, LA
Logan - NJ Devils, NYR, Toronto, Boston, NYI, Buffalo, Calgary, St. Louis, Dallas, Detroit, Phoenix, Chicago, Montreal, Tampa Bay, Florida, Ottawa, Florida, Colorado, Anaheim, Edmonton, San Jose
Pumpy Tudors - Detroit, Calgary, St Louis, Quebec, Toronto, Buffalo, Ottawa, NJ, LA, Atlanta, Montreal, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington, NYR, Dallas, Columbus, Philadelphia


Round 1

Johnny93g - Bobby Orr (Offensive Defenseman)
vtbub -Wayne Gretzky (Playmaker)
DeToXRoX/Fidatelo -Steve Yzerman (Leader)
Oilers9911 - Gordie Howe (Power Forward)
Maple Leafs - Mario Lemieux (Playmaker)
Suburban Rhythm - Joe Sakic (Leader)
Chief Rum - Ray Bourque (Offensive Defenseman)
TazFTW - Mark Messier (Leader)
Lathum - Maurice "The Rocket" Richard (Sniper)
Honolulu_Blue - Cam Neely (Power Forward)
Logan - Martin Brodeur (Goalie)
Pumpy Tudors - Nicklas Lidstrom (Lockdown Defenseman)


Round 2

Pumpy Tudors - Al MacInnis (Offensive Defenseman)
Logan - Brian Leetch (Offensive Defenseman)
Honolulu_Blue - Patrick Roy (Goalie)
Lathum - Scott Stevens ( Biggest Hitter)
TazFTW - Hector "Toe" Blake (Head Coach)
Chief Rum - Stan Mikita (Playmaker)
Suburban Rhythm - Mike Bossy (Sniper)
Maple Leafs - Denis Potvin, (offensive defenseman)
Oilers9911 - Phil Esposito (Sniper)
DeToXRox/Fidatelo - Mike Modano (Playmaker)
Vtbub - Ted Lindsey (Power Forward)
Johnny93g - Ken Dryden (Goalie)


Round 3

Johnny93g - Tim Horton (Defensive Defenseman)
vtbub - Gilbert Perrault (Sniper)
DeToXRoX/Fidatelo - Bobby Hull (Sniper)
Oilers9911 - Punch Imlach (Coach)
Maple Leafs - Larry Robinson (Defensive Defenseman)
Suburban Rhythm - Dominick Hasek (Goalie)
Chief Rum - Ron Francis (Leader)
TazFTW - Bryan Trottier (playmaker)
Lathum - Billy Smith (Goalie)
Honolulu_Blue - Bobby Clarke (Leader)
Logan - Clark Gillies (Power Forward)
Pumpy Tudors - Mats Sundin (Captain)


Round 4

Pumpy Tudors - Rob Ray (Enforcer)
Logan - Brett Hull (sniper)
Honolulu_Blue - Sidney Crosby (playmaker)
Lathum - Bob Probert (Enforcer)
TazFTW - Eddie Shore (lockdown defenseman)
Chief Rum - Scott Niedermayer (lockdown defenseman)
Suburban Rhythm - Sergei Zubov (offensive defenseman)
Maple Leafs - Jerome Iginla (power forward)
Oilers9911 - Serge Savard (Lockdown Defenseman)
DeToXRox/Fidatelo - Wayne Cashman (Power Forward)
Vtbub - Don Cherry (Coach)
Johnny93g - Al Arbour, (Coach)


Round 5

Johnny93g - Alexander Ovechkin (Sniper)
vtbub - Olaf Kolzig (Goalie)
DeToXRoX/Fidatelo - Rob Blake (Offensive Defenseman)
Oilers9911 - Peter Stastny (Playmaker)
Maple Leafs - Pavel Bure (sniper)
Suburban Rhythm - Terry O'Reilly (Enforcer)
Chief Rum - Guy LaFleur (Sniper)
TazFTW - Keith Tkachuk (Power Forward)
Lathum - Peter Forsberg (Playmaker)
Honolulu_Blue - Red Kelly (Offensive Defensemen)
Logan - Denis Savard (Playmaker)
Pumpy Tudors - Patrik Elias (Playmaker)


Round 6

Pumpy Tudors - Dave Taylor (Power Forward)
Logan - Jay Bouwmeester (Lockdown Defenseman)
Honolulu_Blue - Chris Pronger (Lockdown Defenseman)
Lathum - Danny Heatly (Power Forward)
TazFTW - Dale Hunter (enforcer)
Chief Rum - Vladimir Konstantinov (hitter)
Suburban Rhythm - Rod Langway (lockdown defenseman),
Maple Leafs - Dave Keon, (leader)
Oilers9911 - Dion Phaneuf (Hitter)
DeToXRox/Fidatelo - Ed Jovanovski (Hitter)
Vtbub - Ken Morrow (Lockdown Defense)
Johnny93g - Alex Delvecchio (Leader)


Round 7

Johnny93g - Vinny Lecavalier (playmaker)
vtbub - Ken Danekyo- (Enforcer)
DeToXRoX/Fidatelo - Glen Sather (Coach)
Oilers9911 - Roberto Luongo (Goalie)
Maple Leafs - Dave Brown (enforcer)
Suburban Rhythm - Jason Smith (Big Hitter)
Chief Rum -Scott Mellanby (Power Forward)
TazFTW - Dustin Brown (hitter)
Lathum - Hap Day (Coach)
Honolulu_Blue - Ilya Kovalchuk (sniper)
Logan - Jason Spezza (Leader)
Pumpy Tudors - Tony Esposito (Goalie)


Round 8

Pumpy Tudors - Garnet Exelby (Big Hitter)
Logan - Scott Parker (Enforcer)
Honolulu_Blue - Derek Boogaard (Enforcer)
Lathum - Dan Boyle (Offensive Defenseman)
TazFTW - Rick Nash (sniper)
Chief Rum - Chris Neil (Enforcer)
Suburban Rhythm - Hakan Loob (playmaker)
Maple Leafs - Lindy Ruff (coach)
Oilers9911 - Wade Redden (Offensive Defenseman)
DeToXRox/Fidatelo - John Ferguson (Enforcer)
Vtbub - Kimmo Timonen (offensive defenseman)
Johnny93g - Joel Otto (Power Forward)


Round 9

Johnny93g - Paul Laus (Enforcer)
vtbub - Ted Kennedy (Leader)
DeToXRoX/Fidatelo - Turk Broda (Goalie)
Oilers9911 - Georges Laraque (Enforcer)
Maple Leafs - Glenn Hall (goalie)
Suburban Rhythm - Brian Sutter (powerforward)
Chief Rum - Marty Turco (Goalkeeper)
TazFTW - Viacheslav (Slava) Fetisov (Offensive Defenseman)
Lathum - Kyle McLaren (Lockdown Defenseman)
Honolulu_Blue - Frank Boucher - (Coach)
Logan - Randy Carlyle (Coach)
Pumpy Tudors - Ken Hitchcock (Coach)


Round 10

Pumpy Tudors - Jaromir Jagr (Sniper)
Logan - Matt Greene (Big Hitter)
Honolulu_Blue - Larry Playfiar (Big Hitter)
Lathum - Ron Greschner (Leader)
TazFTW - Ed Belfour (Goalie)
Chief Rum - Terry Crisp (Head Coach)
Suburban Rhythm - Barry Melrose (Coach)
Maple Leafs - Adam Foote (hitter)
Oilers9911 - Craig Hartsburg (Leader)
DeToXRox/Fidatelo - Richard Smehlik (Lockdown defenseman)
Vtbub - Shane Doan (Big Hitter)
Johnny93g - Colin White (big hitter)

[Lathum]

good one

[Pumpy Tudors]

OK, I'm in. I'm a southern boy, and my hockey knowledge pre-1992 is really spotty, but I'll do my best.

[Johnny93g]

So I could put Gretz with the Blues if i wanted?

Are defunct teams aloud? Can i have a Winnipeg Jet and a Phoenix Coyote?

[Lathum]

So I could put Gretz with the Blues if i wanted?

that would be like using your Steven King pick on Danse Macabre!

[wade moore]

Not to take anything away from bsak.

But with all of the discussion around how to run the next draft - how does this get slung into the mix?

[Dr. Sak]

Not to take anything away from bsak.

But with all of the discussion around how to run the next draft - how does this get slung into the mix?

I didn't even know there were official discussions on how to run a draft. I like hockey, I know a few others who do...and just wanted to run a draft. Sorry if I am stepping on any toes here.

[Dr. Sak]

Are defunct teams aloud? Can i have a Winnipeg Jet and a Phoenix Coyote?

As far as the teams that moved...I am going to have to do a bit of research but I am thinking that once you picked a Jet you couldn't take a Coyote same thing with Hartford and Carolina. But I am up for debate on that one because if you take say..Ron Francis with Hartford...on his play with Hartford would count.

What do ya'll think?

[lordscarlet]

Not to take anything away from bsak.

But with all of the discussion around how to run the next draft - how does this get slung into the mix?

Indeed. And for hockey for that matter. :)

[lordscarlet]

dola: I actually prefer these to be non-sports related. There are already drafts and teams for sports.

[Dr. Sak]

Rules are updated...Maple Leafs added a twist which I liked so check out rules 1 and 5.

[Dr. Sak]

With all due respect to those doing drafts...I don't care if you do a draft parallel to mine. I wasn't doing this to steal anyone's thunder or whatever. I just thought it would be fun to do because there are a core group of hockey fans on this board and it could potentially be a fun draft for us plus we are nearing the stretch run of the regular season and playoffs will start soon.

[Honolulu_Blue]

1) Once you draft a player from a team, you cannot draft another player from that team or any other team he played for the rest of the draft.

Can you give me an example of how this works excatly?

Does that mean, for example, if I drafted Petr Klima from the Red Wings, I couldn't draft any other players from the Wings, Oilers, Lightning, Penguins, and Kings? (Those are all the teams Petr Klima played for during his illustrious career)

[Maple Leafs]

Can you give me an example of how this works excatly?

Does that mean, for example, if I drafted Petr Klima from the Red Wings, I couldn't draft any other players from the Wings, Oilers, Lightning, Penguins, and Kings?
I think that's the idea.

[lordscarlet]

No journeymen for you. :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think that's the idea.

That could get complicated...

Does that mean that I could draft Brendan Shanahan (since he played for the Wings), or could I still draft St. Louis' Blues Brendan Shanahan? (Though if I drafted St. Louis' Blues Shanahan, I would then be precluded from drafting any Whaler, Devil, Wing, or Ranger.)

I like first part about only one player per team, the second part could get restricting and would seem to reward people for drafting either young players or players who didn't move around a lot.

[Pumpy Tudors]

welp at least we know mike sillinger won't get drafted

[TazFTW]

Does the change to rule 1 eliminate rule 3?

I mean if drafting a player eliminates all the teams he has played for then we should be able to use his entire career.

[ntndeacon]

so if you took Ray Borque fromj Boston you couldn't draft any Avalanche either?

[Dr. Sak]

Does the change to rule 1 eliminate rule 3?

I mean if drafting a player eliminates all the teams he has played for then we should be able to use his entire career.

YOu are correct. I will update that.

The one example I can give is if you draft Gretzky you cant pick anyone from the Oilers, Rangers, Kings, or Blues.

[Logan]

Wait a minute...so anytime we talk about hockey on here, we have people come in and say how the sport sucks, it's dying, it doesn't matter anymore in this country, etc...but the presence of this draft is somehow stepping on toes of all the other "drafts" done here?

I think everyone should just treat this hockey topic like any other and ignore it.

I'll be in once there's some clarification on rules. Like Pumpy, my knowledge is limited to the last couple decades (not even, really) but at least my team has a history.

[Maple Leafs]

I like first part about only one player per team, the second part could get restricting and would seem to reward people for drafting either young players or players who didn't move around a lot.
Yeah, that would get really... what's the word... strategic.

[Dr. Sak]

so if you took Ray Borque fromj Boston you couldn't draft any Avalanche either?

Correct but you still could draft players from Quebec if they didn't play for the Avs.

[Pumpy Tudors]

...at least my team has a history.
A LOSING HISTORY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Stephane Matteau can kiss my ass)

[Johnny93g]

Ok, what if i draft Eric Lindros. Can i still take a player from Quebec/Colorado?

[Pumpy Tudors]

You know, since there are only 10 spots to draft, I don't think it would really be that hard, unless you went and drafted the aforementioned Mike Sillinger. One player is probably not going to eliminate any more than 4 teams, and some players will only eliminate 1 or 2 teams. It may seem like it's going to be a difficult task, but I don't think it's going to be that hard. Tricky? Yes. Extraordinarily difficult? Probably not.

[Dr. Sak]

Ok, what if i draft Eric Lindros. Can i still take a player from Quebec/Colorado?

Yes you can because I don't think he officially played a game for Quebec. But the Flyers, Rangers, and DALLAS Stars would be out.

Forgot Toronto too.

[lordscarlet]

Wait a minute...so anytime we talk about hockey on here, we have people come in and say how the sport sucks, it's dying, it doesn't matter anymore in this country, etc...but the presence of this draft is somehow stepping on toes of all the other "drafts" done here?

I think everyone should just treat this hockey topic like any other and ignore it.

I'll be in once there's some clarification on rules. Like Pumpy, my knowledge is limited to the last couple decades (not even, really) but at least my team has a history.

But when someone creates a non hockey draft people will start complaining that there are too many drafts going on.

[Johnny93g]

Yes you can because I don't think he officially played a game for Quebec. But the Flyers, Rangers, and DALLAS Stars would be out.

you forgot the Leafs:(

[Dr. Sak]

I encourage questions so that we can close any loop holes before the draft starts. So keep em coming.

[Logan]

A LOSING HISTORY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Stephane Matteau can kiss my ass)

That comeback was as obvious as a born-and-raised Devil jumping across the Hudson.

[Dr. Sak]

you forgot the Leafs:(

I edited it to add them. Sorry.

[lordscarlet]

I encourage questions so that we can close any loop holes before the draft starts. So keep em coming.

That takes all of the fun out of it. ;)

[TazFTW]

Are Head Coaches affected by rule 1?

[Logan]

But when someone creates a non hockey draft people will start complaining that there are too many drafts going on.

Honestly, who the hell cares? How many pointless threads are there on the front page? Are we running out of bandwidth?

I had no interest at all in the literature draft, but I'm sure many, many others did, and I hope all those involved (drafting, commenting) had a great time. But I stayed out because I didn't care about it, just like I stay out of any other thread that doesn't interest me in any way. This particular draft is something I would like to be involved in, so anyone who thinks this is "too much" (and I have no idea what that even means) should stay out too.

[Maple Leafs]

Is "Enforcer" meant to be purely a goon, or should it be a good player who could fight?

[Lathum]

Honestly, who the hell cares? How many pointless threads are there on the front page? Are we running out of bandwidth?

I had no interest at all in the literature draft, but I'm sure many, many others did, and I hope all those involved (drafting, commenting) had a great time. But I stayed out because I didn't care about it, just like I stay out of any other thread that doesn't interest me in any way. This particular draft is something I would like to be involved in, so anyone who thinks this is "too much" (and I have no idea what that even means) should stay out too.

now you know how us werewolf players felt

[Logan]

"To win you want to assemble the best team of players possible. So in the enforcer category, you do not want someone who can just fight, you want someone who can fight and also play hockey."

[Logan]

now you know how us werewolf players felt

No, I knew from way back then that it was a ridiculously stupid and pointless decision. :)

And no offense meant to the brothers in my comments...

[Maple Leafs]

"To win you want to assemble the best team of players possible. So in the enforcer category, you do not want someone who can just fight, you want someone who can fight and also play hockey."
Who reads the rules in these things?

[Lathum]

"To win you want to assemble the best team of players possible. So in the enforcer category, you do not want someone who can just fight, you want someone who can fight and also play hockey."

exactly. I know when I vote I am just gonna look for a tie Domi/ Bob Probert type.

Billy Guerin is a far better player then either of those two and was a great fighter early in his career but Probert would get my vote

[lordscarlet]

No, I knew from way back then that it was a ridiculously stupid and pointless decision. :)

And no offense meant to the brothers in my comments...

None taken. :)

My point was just that people do whine and complain about it whether we like it or not :)

[lordscarlet]

Man.. you guys are stomping all over any attempts not to be "that guy." :)

[Dr. Sak]

Yes you can because I don't think he officially played a game for Quebec. But the Flyers, Rangers, and DALLAS Stars would be out.

Forgot Toronto too.

Also to better clarify things. If you choose Lindros...you could not choose someone like Mike Modano who played for both the Dallas and Minnesota North Stars. To use the Minnesota North Stars in this case, you would have to have someone who was not on the Dallas Stars.

[Dr. Sak]

As far as the head coaches go...I think they should follow the same rules as the players in this draft, but I am open to suggestions.

Since this game will be tough to book keep...I am not going to draft. I'll keep track of the picks and the teams that each drafter has used.

[Lathum]

so when we starting?

[Dr. Sak]

Here is who I have so far...

Maple Leafs, Lathum, Pumpy Tudors, Johnny93g, Oilers9911, TazFTW, Honolulu_Blue, and DeToxRox...Logan are you in? I was also going to wait for the left coasters too, I know a few of them like hockey.

VTbub has expressed interest but said because of finals he could not draft until Monday.

[Dr. Sak]

I have no problem with 10-12 people, as long as everyone is on top of things.

[Fidatelo]

I'd join in but I'm still trying to make up for the work I didn't do during the Phalid controversy last week.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Here is who I have so far...

Maple Leafs, Lathum, Pumpy Tudors, Johnny93g, Oilers9911, TazFTW, Honolulu_Blue, and DeToxRox...Logan are you in? I was also going to wait for the left coasters too, I know a few of them like hockey.

VTbub has expressed interest but said because of finals he could not draft until Monday.

On a similar note, I may not be able to draft until Sunday afternoon. On Thursday afternoon I am heading off for the weekend and I don't think the place I am staying at has an internet connection. If so, I will be in fine shape. If not, not so much.

If that's going to mess up plans for the draft, I'll bow out.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Let's just start the draft next week. I'm all for that. I already have Lou Lamoriello pegged for my head coach category.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Let's just start the draft next week. I'm all for that. I already have Lou Lamoriello pegged for my head coach category.

Until two weeks before the playoffs when you'll fire him and appoint yourself head coach.

[Logan]

I'm in bsak.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm in bsak.

:eek:

[Logan]

Son of a...!

The brothers are right...this draft is too much. Please delete this thread.

[DeToxRox]

Ill fuck all yals shit up whenever. Paul Maurice best coach ever. FTW

[Dr. Sak]

Maple Leafs, Lathum, Pumpy Tudors, Johnny93g, Oilers9911, TazFTW, Honolulu_Blue, DeToxRox, Logan, and Suburban Rhythm are in.

That's 10. We can maybe take 2 more.

[Chief Rum]

Well, if there's room, I am definitely in. Great idea for a draft, Brian!

[Dr. Sak]

Sure Chief you can join. I think Ron is in too...which will make it 12.

We can start the draft monday but I think it might be a good idea for everyone to PM me an email address i can reach them at...either that or your AIM name...so that I can let people know when they are up in the draft.

[Lathum]

Sure Chief you can join. I think Ron is in too...which will make it 12.

We can start the draft monday but I think it might be a good idea for everyone to PM me an email address i can reach them at...either that or your AIM name...so that I can let people know when they are up in the draft.

Is there anyway to begin sooner?

Last draft had good weekend participation

[Dr. Sak]

Well with H_B not being able to go till Sunday and Bub Monday...we could start Sunday and just get stalled with one person?

[Lathum]

I don't wanna screw anything up, I just will have alot of free time this weekend

[TazFTW]

If the lineup is set how about giving us the draft order so that I can visualize the people stealing my picks?

[Logan]

Good idea. I'm gonna need to do a ton of planning to have a shot at a mid-level finish.

[Dr. Sak]

If the lineup is set how about giving us the draft order so that I can visualize the people stealing my picks?

Sure thing. I did the order today at work via random.org and the order you all signed up for it. I'll post it in the morning.

[Logan]

I got nothing to do for a few hours before I hit the sack. How bout going to work now? :)

[Dr. Sak]

Sorry...it is a 30 min drive one way plus tolls. I get to work early so it'll be posted around 730am. :)

[Dr. Sak]

Would you guys like a new thread for the draft or to just continue it in here?

Draft Order

Johnny93g
vtbub
DeToXRoX
Oilers9911
Maple Leafs
Suburban Rhythm
Chief Rum
TazFTW
Lathum
Honolulu_Blue
Logan
Pumpy Tudors

[Logan]

Haha...great draft location for me. It's almost like I have the turn all to myself.

I'd just continue it here...

[Lathum]

I would chage the title so people know when it is underway

[Dr. Sak]

I guess we can start picking now...but we wont start officially getting on people's case to pick till Monday.

[Maple Leafs]

I wonder who Oilers99 is targeting?

[Logan]

Word is johnny93g has Dougie Gilmour at the top of his board.

[Dr. Sak]

The first post will keep track of the draft picks and the teams that each of you have used...

[Pumpy Tudors]

pleasedon'ttakemikesillingerpleasedon'ttakemikesillingerpleasedon'ttakemikesillingerpleasedon'ttakemikesillinger

[Lathum]

Pumpy will probably get very mad at me

[TazFTW]

Would you guys like a new thread for the draft or to just continue it in here?

Draft Order

Johnny93g
vtbub
DeToXRoX
Oilers9911
Maple Leafs
Suburban Rhythm
Chief Rum
TazFTW
Lathum
Honolulu_Blue
Logan
Pumpy Tudors

I wish I had an earlier pick but 8 is alright.

[Johnny93g]

Word is johnny93g has Dougie Gilmour at the top of his board.

Should i pick with my heart or my brain:p

[Maple Leafs]

Should i pick with my heart or my brain:p
Whichever is faster.

[Johnny93g]

With the 1st pick in the FOFC Hockey draft, I select:

Offensive Defensman: Bobby Orr- Bos, Chi

It was actually a 3 horse race. I figure offensive defensman was a position with the least amount of talent, so getting one of the 2 greatest players of all time at a thin position, was important. I am aslo happy he played for just 2 teams. I didn't have many Bruins or Blackhawks on my list at all.

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Three Forwards In These Categories

Power Forward:

Sniper:

Playmaker:

Two Defensemen in These Catagories

Offensive Defenseman: Bobby Orr- Bos, Chi

Lockdown Defensman:

Five Other Positions

Big Hitter (can be a forward or defenseman):

Leader (Captain):

Enforcer:

Goalie:

Head Coach:

[Lathum]

wow

[Pumpy Tudors]

At least to me, that's a pretty good first pick, as far as value is concerned.

[Maple Leafs]

Not who I would have taken but certainly not a bad pick.

[vtbub]

The most prolific passer that ever played, and a darn good scorer too. My playmaker, Wayne Gretzky-Edmonton Oiler

[TazFTW]

Cool. I thought we were going to have to wait until Monday for the next pick.

[TazFTW]

dola

If I had the chance I'm not sure if I would have drafted Gretzky because of the team elimination rule.

[Fidatelo]

I'm still unclear on that team rule. If someone picks Gretzky as an Oiler, I understand it still precludes them from taking a Ranger. But can they take say Guy Lafleur as a Canadian? Or is that not allowed because he was also a Ranger at one point?

[Dr. Sak]

I'm still unclear on that team rule. If someone picks Gretzky as an Oiler, I understand it still precludes them from taking a Ranger. But can they take say Guy Lafleur as a Canadian? Or is that not allowed because he was also a Ranger at one point?

I tried to clarify it a bit in the rules. Now you just pick a player and you get credit for stats he had with all the teams. But at the same time you cannot draft anyone from those teams for the rest of the draft.

[Logan]

Not allowed. Think of it like this: right now, every team that has ever been assembled (including defunct teams like Quebec, Hartford) is on your board. Once you select a player, every team he has played for over his entire career will be scratched off. Your remaining roster may have only played for those remaining teams at any point in their career.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Does the team elimination rule apply to coaches? For example (and for shits and giggles), if someone picks Paul Maurice, does it mean that they can't pick any Hartford, Carolina, and Toronto players?

[TazFTW]

Does the team elimination rule apply to coaches? For example (and for shits and giggles), if someone picks Paul Maurice, does it mean that they can't pick any Hartford, Carolina, and Toronto players?

I asked that question earlier and yes, coaches eliminate teams.

[Johnny93g]

So Vtbub loses the Oilers, Kings, Blues and Rangers now.

Correct?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I asked that question earlier and yes, coaches eliminate teams.
Whoops. Sorry.

[TazFTW]

So Vtup loses the Oilers, Kings, Blues and Rangers now.

Correct?

Yup.

[lordscarlet]

Every player that ever played on a team that Gretzky ever played for is no longer available for vtbub.

[DeToxRox]

1.3 -The best captain in NHL history. Every season on the same team, and a guy HB will be pissed I have. I select my leader, #19 Steve Yzerman

[Johnny93g]

I think Stevie Y is a reach at #3, but it's hard to argue against him. There a few players i would have taken instead.

[Lathum]

I think Stevie Y is a reach at #3, but it's hard to argue against him. There a few players i would have taken instead.

the fact that he only played for one team is huge.

That is gonna be a huge obstacle

[Johnny93g]

the fact that he only played for one team is huge.

That is gonna be a huge obstacle

Agreed, which is why it is hard to argue against the pick.

[TazFTW]

I think Stevie Y is a reach at #3, but it's hard to argue against him. There a few players i would have taken instead.

Maybe a reach in greatest players of all time but IMO he's a perfect fit for the category.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I asked that question earlier and yes, coaches eliminate teams.

Would vtbub be exempt from any Coyotes (if there were any worth picking) with Gretz as coach?

[Suburban Rhythm]

I tried to clarify it a bit in the rules. Now you just pick a player and you get credit for stats he had with all the teams. But at the same time you cannot draft anyone from those teams for the rest of the draft.

Just to clarify here - all NHL stats, or all professional stats (WHA included)?

[TazFTW]

Would vtbub be exempt from any Coyotes (if there were any worth picking) with Gretz as coach?

That would be bsak's choice but I would think Coyotes are okay to choose because vtbub took Gretzky the player not Gretzky the coach.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Last question-

What's the basis for the enforcer category? Does it have to be a known fighter? Or are pest types who racked up the PIM acceptable?

[Chief Rum]

Is this just "team" or is it "franchise"? For instance, if I take a player with a Jet or Whaler past, am I then unable to select a Coyote or a Hurricane as well?

[TazFTW]

Is this just "team" or is it "franchise"? For instance, if I take a player with a Jet or Whaler past, am I then unable to select a Coyote or a Hurricane as well?


5) Since rule #1 was altered to include all the teams a player has played for...you are allowed to draft players from defunct teams. For example if you draft someone from Hartford, that does NOT eliminate Carolina. Same goes for Winnipeg and Phoenix...etc..etc. It only counts if they played for both Hartford and Carolina. Then both teams would be eliminated.

:)

[Suburban Rhythm]

OK....one more question

Do you we need to categorize the player when chosen? For example, some players may fit more than one category, I may change where I want to slot them based on who else i draft.

[Dr. Sak]

Just to clarify here - all NHL stats, or all professional stats (WHA included)?

I guess you could say all stats...but this draft will be voted on by your peers so you want to impress them with your team.

[Dr. Sak]

That would be bsak's choice but I would think Coyotes are okay to choose because vtbub took Gretzky the player not Gretzky the coach.

Since he took Gretzky as a player...vtbub still has the Coyotes available.

[Dr. Sak]

OK....one more question

Do you we need to categorize the player when chosen? For example, some players may fit more than one category, I may change where I want to slot them based on who else i draft.

It is up to you to tell us when you draft which category the player fits into.

[Buccaneer]

Interesting rules and strategies. I don't think a participant would survive too long if they keep picking 4+ teams players. However, regardless how many teams he had played for, Gretzky trumps all.

[Dr. Sak]

Last question-

What's the basis for the enforcer category? Does it have to be a known fighter? Or are pest types who racked up the PIM acceptable?

This is up to you...one person in this thread said they would rather see a Bob Probert type who could just fight but others want someone who can fight and play. It is more your choice.

[Suburban Rhythm]

It is up to you to tell us when you draft which category the player fits into.

OK...just thinking a guy like Lemieux (and Gretz, as well as others) could qualify as playmaker or sniper. Depending who i can get in a later round may change where i want to slot them.

[Dr. Sak]

OK...just thinking a guy like Lemieux (and Gretz, as well as others) could qualify as playmaker or sniper. Depending who i can get in a later round may change where i want to slot them.

That's all part of the draft I guess :)

By the way if you guys arent already doing this...please PM the guy after you and tell him he is up.

[Chief Rum]

:)

Ah ha...

I would also assume the two Minnesota, Atlanta and Colorado teams (among others) are considered different? Good. I wanted to take Beck from Colorado. ;)

[Dr. Sak]

Ah ha...

I would also assume the two Minnesota, Atlanta and Colorado teams (among others) are considered different? Good. I wanted to take Beck from Colorado. ;)

Correct.

[Logan]

Having your coach knock out all his former teams makes things pretty damn near impossible.

[TazFTW]

Having your coach knock out all his former teams makes things pretty damn near impossible.

Don't draft Keenan then. ;)

[Logan]

After he bolted for St. Louis in '95, I'll never consider him "my" coach.

[lordscarlet]

I would think that only head coach positions should count? (I have no idea how hockey coaching structure works)

[Oilers9911]

It would be obvious to take a player like Mario Lemieux in this spot, or Paul Coffey as an offensive defenceman although he eats up about 15 teams. But due to what I see as a lack of great power forwards I am going to select Gordie Howe at Power Forward.

[Maple Leafs]

I would think that only head coach positions should count? (I have no idea how hockey coaching structure works)
I'd think so too. Some guys have been head coaches for two or three teams, but have worked in assistant roles, front office jobs or even as players for half the league.

I get the sense that in this draft players are players and coaches are coaches, and the only overlap is that (presumably) you can't take the same guy in each category.

[Maple Leafs]

Wow, I'm stunned this guy would fall to me:

1.5 Mario Lemieux, playmaker

He's usually considered the consensus #4 best player of all time (behind Gretzky, Howe and Orr), and given that he only played for one team I love the value here. I thought he might go as high as #1 in this draft.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, I'm stunned this guy would fall to me:

1.5 Mario Lemieux, playmaker

He's usually considered the consensus #4 best player of all time (behind Gretzky, Howe and Orr), and given that he only played for one team I love the value here. I thought he might go as high as #1 in this draft.

Bastard. I was stunned, too. Easily the best one team player of all time (sorry Red Wings fans). I wouldn't have been shocked to see him go #1 in a draft with these rules.

[TazFTW]

Love the one team Lemiuex.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Missed the homer pick by one slot, cause I was easily going ML.

So...after thinking it over, it might be a tad early for this guy but...

1.6 Joe Sakic (COL and QUE)

[Logan]

Category Suburban...

(nice pick wherever you place him, he was on my short list)

[Suburban Rhythm]

I think I'll tempt fate, and hold out hope I can place other players in the slots needed, and make Sakic my captain.

[Lathum]

(nice pick wherever you place him, he was on my short list)

mine to, it's amazing to say but he may be one of the most under rated players ever in any sport.

The guy gets no pub.

[TazFTW]

Nice pick with Sakic. I was hoping that people would forget about him and he'd drop.

[Chief Rum]

This pick was extraordinarily hard. I feel all of the top top stars are gone. There are plenty of superstars left, of course, but I felt the names of Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe and Orr were the guys heads and tails over the others, and then there are maybe about 20 guys with a stake to #5. Well, the list for #5 is smaller than that, IMO, but most of those guys are forwards--and I think those will be the easiest positions to fill.

So I went with scarcity. Where could I make a strong pick at a less deep spot without it being a reach at #7? I decided forwards were too soon because of depth. Enforcers and big hitters and even defensive defensman were too soon because none of the best qualified guys should be going first round in an all time league. Leaders you can get anywhere at any time in this draft (IMO), and frankly, I don't want to think about head coaches right now.

So that left me with goalies or offensive defensmen.

Goalie: I had three guys in mind, two oldies and one more recent. The two oldies played with four or more teams each. The recent one only played with two. But not only did he play with two franchises whom I might want to focus on later for players, but I hated his arse, too.

O-Defensmen: I had two guys in mind and I couldn't decide if I rated them high enough to go over the guy I hate at the G spot (which I really do think is a position of scarcity). One was too old, so I didn't have a real feel for him. Plus, he would eliminate a great franchise, too. The other I know well and like, and wouldn't mind taking the franchises off that he played for. But I thought of a guy whom I thought was his equal and who had only played for one team his entire career. So my question is, is it a reach? Not with Sakic going #6, IMO.

So which one would it be? In the end, I decided I would rather lose the two franchises then the one the one-team D had played for. Either way, I had a great D-man to pick. Here goes...

1.7 Ray Bourque, Offensive Defensman (BOS/COL)

[TazFTW]

The board flaking out on me gave me some time to think about who I was going to draft. I changed my mind and will now go with the homer pick. I select

Mark Messier as my Captain (Edmonton Oilers, NY Rangers, Vancouver Canucks)


http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2882/messierguaranteena2.jpg

[Lathum]

1.9- Sniper-Maurice "The Rocket" Richard


The original sniper. Set the bar scoring 50 goals in 50 games. Played his whole legendary career in Montreal.

The fact that the trophy that is awarded to the seasons leading scorer is named after him shows what an impact he had on the sport.

[Maple Leafs]

Richard was the guy I was planning to take at #5 if the Big Four had gone as expected.

[Suburban Rhythm]

1.7 Ray Bourque, Offensive Defensman (BOS/COL)

I pretty much went back and forth between Bourque and Sakic when picking.

[Dr. Sak]

Okay its monday and the draft has "officially" started today. Start PMing me lists if you are going to be away from FOFC from an extended period of time and also make sure you contact the person after you when you make your pick.

[Logan]

Damn it, I left my "notes" at home, and I'm on deck.

[Honolulu_Blue]

1.10 (Redux) Cam Neely (Power Forward)

Cam Neely is considered the pre-eminent power forward of his era.

Through 726 regular season games, Cam Neely collected 694 points — 395 goals and 299 assists — and was selected to the NHL's Second All-Star Team in 1988, 1990, 1991 and 1994. Cam also recorded 57 goals and 32 assists for 89 points in 93 playoff contests and is the Boston Bruins' all-time leading goal scorer with 55 tallies.

In 1993-94, he scored 50 goals in 49 games (the third fastest of all times). When healthy, he was as dominant a physical forward as there has been.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'S IS STOOPID.

[Honolulu_Blue]

pssssssst, check 1.7

Damn it! I suck.

All righty then... I shall revise.

[Dr. Sak]

you should get bonus points by voters since he played such a great role as Sea Bass in Dumb and Dumber.

[Logan]

Pick upcoming...

[Logan]

This was a tough pick for me. I wanted to go goalie because I think it's a tough position to fill in this draft. The question then became...do I go with the guy who holds all the records, or the guy who will hold all the records? Do I go with the guy who (incorrectly, in my mind) is said to have played behind worse defenses, or the guy who played behind a suffocating, clutch and grab defense? Do I let Pumpy have his guy, or do I not? And most importantly, do I go for the guy who beats his wife, or the guy who cheats on his wife? Sorry Pump...

1.11 - Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils (Goalie)

3 Vezinas, 3 Cups, a 2.20 career GAA, a 1.89 career playoff GAA, and 96 career shutouts, with 22 more in the playoffs. The best goalie I've ever seen, and yes, that's coming from a Ranger fan.

[Dr. Sak]

Pumpy's head just exploded.

[Logan]

Honestly, that was more my aim than winning the vote.

[Lathum]

I almost took Brodeur.

Easily the best of all time and my favorite player, the problem is there are to many uneducated people out there that will yell about the trap and claim Hasek or Roy are better.

[Pumpy Tudors]

OK, give me just a short while here. I've got a couple things to do here at work, and I have to give some thought to these two picks I've got.

I also need to wipe down the walls, considering that my head just exploded.

[Logan]

You could probably argue that despite the recent rule changes, and with the anchors of the team's defense for most of his time gone (Stevens, Daneyko, Neidermeyer), his last two seasons were among his top 5 of his stellar career. I'd hope that would get rid of that argument. I could see people making the case for Roy, but get the hell out of here with Hasek. Spectacular at times, yes, but not always great.

BTW, gutsy pick on Cam Neely in the first round. I think that may have been a little early, but I'd hope people would consider just how dominant he was before his career ended prematurely.

[Dr. Sak]

The only record I will ever dispute for Brodeur is his wins in a season. With no ties anymore I don't think it is as good as Bernie Parent's record.

[Pumpy Tudors]

These may be reaches for 1.12 and 2.1, but here goes:

1.12 - Nicklas Lidstrom (Lockdown Defenseman) - Detroit

The man doesn't bully people, he doesn't hit hard, and he doesn't scare you, but he's the definition of defense. He's the kind of player who shuts people down because he rarely makes a mistake. Lidstrom's a clean, classy defenseman who's also just very, very good.

2.1 - Al MacInnis (Offensive Defenseman) - Calgary, St. Louis

This is almost certainly a big reach for this point in the draft, but I think it'll be hard to find someone so good for this category by the time my next pick comes around. In addition to that, MacInnis only played for two teams. There are many forwards out there who'd love to score 340 goals in their careers, but MacInnis managed to do it as a defenseman. Yes, he played for a really long time, and that padded the numbers a bit, but his longevity is a good thing. He would've had a couple more years if he had not gotten hurt. He scored goals, he stayed healthy for the entire first half of his career, and - oh yeah - his slapshot once shattered a goalie's mask. Sign me up for Al MacInnis.

[Logan]

2.2 - Brian Leetch (Offensive Defenseman) - New York Rangers, Toronto, Boston

Not where I expected to go with this pick, but this is a tough category to nab a premium player (especially with who is off the board already) and Leetch, IMO, fits that bill.

Some think of him as the greatest American-born hockey player of all time, and I agree. Hell of an offensive player. One of 5 defensemen to score over 100 points on a season, and one of 7 with over 1000 points in his career. Won the Norris twice, an All-Star 11 times, and most importantly, took the Conn Smythe home in 1994.

[Lathum]

I am leaving for school but should be on in a little while to make my pick whenever HB gets around to his

[Honolulu_Blue]

2.3 Patrick Roy (Goalie)

Winningest goalie in the history of the NHL. He led Montreal to the Stanley Cup as a rookie goaltender. He won three more Stanley Cups. He also won 3 Con Smythes, 3 Vezina Trophies.

As far as big game goaltenders, there really isn't any better than Patrick Roy.

I'm gonna go be sick now.

[Honolulu_Blue]

BTW, gutsy pick on Cam Neely in the first round. I think that may have been a little early, but I'd hope people would consider just how dominant he was before his career ended prematurely.

Yeah, maybe it was a bit early on Cam Neely, but whenever I think "power forward", he's the first player I think of. I think he pretty much defned the role as it's understood today. I considered him the top power forward on the board (after Gordie Howe) and given the limited number of teams he played for, it made it easier.

[Lathum]

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2.4- Scott Stevens ( Biggest Hitter)

This video says it all. The top 3 are insane. He single handedly ruined Eric Lindros' career.

People say the devils success was a result of the trap. I say it was a result of opposing players being reluctant to come over the middle.

And all his hits were clean, the guy was just a beast.

Factor in he captained 3 stanley cup teams and was a 13 time all star, he was one of the few players who didn't score goals that you would pay to watch. I miss watching him play

[Pumpy Tudors]

I had thought about taking Stevens, as he's one of my all-time favorite players. I miss watching him play, too.

[Lathum]

I had thought about taking Stevens, as he's one of my all-time favorite players. I miss watching him play, too.

How great is that youtube clip. I remeber Kovlov trying to skate off the ice after it and his legs were jelly

[Lathum]

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in slow motion

[Logan]

Interesting, I had thought of using Stevens as both lockdown d-man or leader, but yeah, punishing hitter is a better fit.

[Maple Leafs]

Hey folks, if you're not around to check in frequently there's really no reason not to send a short list to bsak.

[TazFTW]

Was debating between two guys, one with more Stanley Cups and the other with more wins. I select

Hector "Toe" Blake Head Coach (Montreal)

13 seasons behind the bench winning 8 Stanley Cups.

[Logan]

Damn...I was hoping for him to fall into the 3rd.

[Dr. Sak]

Chief Rum selects

2.6 Stan Mikita, Chicago Blackhawks

[Dr. Sak]

Suburban Rhythm selects...

2.7 Mike Bossy, New York Islanders

[Dr. Sak]

I need positions from you guys ASAP for those players..thanks.

[Maple Leafs]

2.8 Denis Potvin, offensive defenceman (Islanders)

[Logan]

2.8 Denis Potvin, offensive defenceman (Islanders)

He was #2 on my list for leader behind Messier, being the captain of that dynasty. I don't really know much of him as a player, besides one thing...

(whistle)

(whistle)

(whistle)

POTVIN SUCKS!!!

[Lathum]

beat your wife denny, beat your wife

[Oilers9911]

Another guy that can go in many different spots. He could be the Leader/Captain but I will put him in the playmaker category since he has the second most career assists.

2.9 - Playmaker - Ron Francis

[Maple Leafs]

Hold up.

Francis and Howe both played for Hartford.

[DeToxRox]

2.10 Mike Madano. Playmaker

Reaching prolly but the less teams the better early on

[Lathum]

So I know this was answered but I am stoopid.

Coaches count towards the team, so for example I have a devil so Jauque Lemair is off the board for me, correct?

[Dr. Sak]

Hold up.

Francis and Howe both played for Hartford.

That is correct...Oilers must pick again.

[Dr. Sak]

So I know this was answered but I am stoopid.

Coaches count towards the team, so for example I have a devil so Jauque Lemair is off the board for me, correct?

Coaches count towards teams. But since Vtbub drafted Gretzky as a player...that does not remove him from taking a Coyote. Understand?

[Maple Leafs]

I definitely didn't expect the Hartford Whalers to be the first team somebody doubled up on.

[Lathum]

Coaches count towards teams. But since Vtbub drafted Gretzky as a player...that does not remove him from taking a Coyote. Understand?

no

[Maple Leafs]

When you draft a head coach, you cover all the teams he was head coach for.

You do not cover any teams he played for, or worked for in some other capacity (assistant, GM, scout, minor league coach, etc).

[Lathum]

so to answer my question Lemaire would be out for me, correct?

[Logan]

Correct.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Suburban Rhythm selects...

2.7 Mike Bossy, New York Islanders

Sniper

[Johnny93g]

I was hoping Mike Bossy would fall to me. Great pick

[Suburban Rhythm]

I was hoping Mike Bossy would fall to me. Great pick

50+ every season til his last. Bonus of all with one team made the pick even easier.

[Maple Leafs]

I think that due to the nature of the rules, we're going to see a few cases like Oilers today where somebody takes a player he's not actually allowed to pick. This has the potential to slow us down.

A suggestion would be to allow subsequent teams to keep picking, with the offending team being able to repick any time they come back and realize what's happened. Call it the Minnesota Vikings rule.

The downside is that the ineligible player may be a guy that a later team would want. Not sure how you get around that, other than to say that everyone is responsible for keeping an eye on the other rosters and being aware of an illegal pick. That would keep us moving, but may also be too much work.

Thoughts?

[Lathum]

I completly agree.

I am wondering if we may encounter a situation where someone is unable to make a pick

[MikeVic]

If there's a case like Oilers today, I think anyone drafting after him should have free reign to take Ron Francis. It's not like Oilers can.

[DeToxRox]

I completly agree.

I am wondering if we may encounter a situation where someone is unable to make a pick

I'm planning for that. I feel like you gotta go best guys on one or two teams early or else you shoot yourself in the foot later.

[Maple Leafs]

If there's a case like Oilers today, I think anyone drafting after him should have free reign to take Ron Francis. It's not like Oilers can.
Yeah, I'd be fine with that. The concern would be if the next guy doesn't notice right away (like happened today) and then says "hey, I would have picked that guy if I'd known..."

[MikeVic]

Yeah, I'd be fine with that. The concern would be if the next guy doesn't notice right away (like happened today) and then says "hey, I would have picked that guy if I'd known..."

Yeah, I think your suggestion of people making sure to keep track themselves is a valid one in this case too. Anyone can point it out if they want, but they don't have to until it's their pick.

[DeToxRox]

Yeah, I'd be fine with that. The concern would be if the next guy doesn't notice right away (like happened today) and then says "hey, I would have picked that guy if I'd known..."

I don't care about not getting Francis, I just think since my pick was made before the error was known I shouldn't lose my guy if he wanted him.

[Dr. Sak]

DeTox your pick stands...if you want to take Francis you should say so before Oilers makes his pick...if you want to keep Modano then just leave things the way they are.

[Oilers9911]

My bad, I forgot Francis played for Hartford as did Gordie Howe...ok...so at Sniper I will pick Phil Esposito.

[Chief Rum]

2.3 Patrick Roy (Goalie)

Winningest goalie in the history of the NHL. He led Montreal to the Stanley Cup as a rookie goaltender. He won three more Stanley Cups. He also won 3 Con Smythes, 3 Vezina Trophies.

As far as big game goaltenders, there really isn't any better than Patrick Roy.

I'm gonna go be sick now.

I'm shocked you made this pick. I couldn't do it. I couldn't type out his name. Nor the ape who used to play D in Jersey (and I ain't talkin' about a current Duck).

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum selects

2.6 Stan Mikita, Chicago Blackhawks

Playmaker

[korme]

What site do hockey fans use to look up stats? I honestly don't know what I'd do without baseball-reference and their sibling basketball and football sites.

I know hockey-reference is in development, but it ain't there yet.


Edit, I found "The Internet Hockey Database", holy crap my man Dino Ciccarelli is 16th all-time in goals scored? Crazy

/endthreadjack

[Lathum]

I'm shocked you made this pick. I couldn't do it. I couldn't type out his name. Nor the ape who used to play D in Jersey (and I ain't talkin' about a current Duck).

by ape do you mean the greatest defensive defensmen of all time?

[Pumpy Tudors]

DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT DAVE ELLETT

[Maple Leafs]

So I think vtbub it up, then johnny with back-to-back picks.

[vtbub]

Working on it

[Suburban Rhythm]

by ape do you mean the greatest defensive defensmen of all time?

Did someone take Lyle Odelein already?

http://www-smirc.stanford.edu/~arlitt/pics/odelein.gifhttp://www.methownet.com/duck/cornelius.jpg

[vtbub]

2.11 Ted Lindsey (Power Forward) Detroit, Chicago

[MikeVic]

What site do hockey fans use to look up stats? I honestly don't know what I'd do without baseball-reference and their sibling basketball and football sites.

I know hockey-reference is in development, but it ain't there yet.


Edit, I found "The Internet Hockey Database", holy crap my man Dino Ciccarelli is 16th all-time in goals scored? Crazy

/endthreadjack

I use that same site (Hockey DB).

[Dr. Sak]

Please start sending me lists...

[DeToxRox]

Bsak don't use the list I sent ill be here to pick

[Logan]

Time to put an hour limit on how long we'll go if you're not around or haven't sent a list?

[Dr. Sak]

I think you are right...there is no reason we can't do a round or a round and a half a day.

[Logan]

Bump?

[Maple Leafs]

This draft is like watching Jason Allison in the shootout.

[Lathum]

so it's been 4 hours since the last pick?

[Lathum]

ok, that was weird

[ntndeacon]

who is up in this draft?

[Lathum]

johnny93g

[Johnny93g]

2.12- Ken Dryden, Goalie, Montreal Canadians

Winner of 6 stanley cups in just 8 seasons. Never lost more then 10 games in a season, and never won fewer then 30. 5 vezina trophy's.

[Logan]

the triple-bump!

[Dr. Sak]

just as long as Johnnyg doesnt take a certain person...I have someone vtbub wants from his list.

[vtbub]

I'm here.

[Johnny93g]

3.1 Tim Horton, Defensive Defensman, Toronto, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, NY Rangers

A little blurb from the legends of hockey website

Tim Horton was the ultimate defenseman in his time, and one of the greatest to ever play in the National Hockey League. An excellent skater, Tim had good rushing ability and a powerful slap shot. But he was better known for his defensive play where his physical strength and intelligent play made him a joy to watch for 24 seasons. One of the truly classy gentlemen ever to play the game, Horton starred with the Toronto Maple Leafs for 18 years before stints with New York Rangers, Pittsburgh and Buffalo. Tragically his career and life were tragically cut short following an car accident in 1974.

[DeToxRox]

im ready too

[vtbub]

3.2 Gilbert Perrault- Buffalo (Sniper)

Tim Horton's, mmmmmmm

[DeToxRox]

4.3 - Bobby Hull - Sniper - Chicago and Hartford

[ntndeacon]

3.1 Tim Horton, Defensive Defensman, Toronto, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, NY Rangers

A little blurb from the legends of hockey website

Tim Horton was the ultimate defenseman in his time, and one of the greatest to ever play in the National Hockey League. An excellent skater, Tim had good rushing ability and a powerful slap shot. But he was better known for his defensive play where his physical strength and intelligent play made him a joy to watch for 24 seasons. One of the truly classy gentlemen ever to play the game, Horton starred with the Toronto Maple Leafs for 18 years before stints with New York Rangers, Pittsburgh and Buffalo. Tragically his career and life were tragically cut short following an car accident in 1974.

and you will not be lacking in donuts either.

[Dr. Sak]

4.3 - Bobby Hull - Sniper - Chicago and Hartford

Winnipeg too

[Maple Leafs]

Hey everyone...

Here's an idea for how to pass the time during the next long delay between picks (like this one).

1. Think about how annoying it is to have to wait hours between picks, and how much less fun you're having because of it.
2. Realize that you'd hate for this to happen when your pick comes up.
3. Send a list of picks to bsak, just in case you're not around. Even a list of three or four will probably be enough.

If everyone did this, we'd be sailing.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hey everyone...

Here's an idea for how to pass the time during the next long delay between picks (like this one).

1. Think about how annoying it is to have to wait hours between picks, and how much less fun you're having because of it.
2. Realize that you'd hate for this to happen when your pick comes up.
3. Send a list of picks to bsak, just in case you're not around. Even a list of three or four will probably be enough.

If everyone did this, we'd be sailing.

Wise man.

[Lathum]

sweet, another 3.5 hours between picks!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Woo!

Slow draft, take it easy
REPEAT THREE TIMES

I'm in the mood
The players are right
You know the order
We can draft all night

Oooh Slow draft
Oooh

Slow draft, take it easy
REPEAT

Slow down, go down, got to get your pick one more time
Draft him, pick him, slow draftin' man you're so slow

Woo!

I'm in the mood
The players are right
You know the order
We can draft all night

Oooh

Slow draft, take it easy
REPEAT

Slow down, go down, got to get your pick in one more time

Slow draft, easy, slow draft, sleazy
REPEAT

Slow down, go down, got to get your pick one more time
Draft me, pick me, slow draftin' man you're so slow

Slow draft, take it easy
REPEAT

Slow down, go down, slow down, go down

Come on fellas
Make a pick already
Come on fellas
Take a slow draft

Feels so slow Feels so slow, Come on fellas
Feels slow, Feel so slow

You know the order all right
We gotta pick all night
REPEAT TWO TIMES

Whoa, pick all night

Woo! Woo!

Your slow draggin ass!
REPEAT THREE TIMES

Woo! Woo! Woo!

Slow draft

[DeToxRox]

I hope Jim Carey is still around when I pick again I need a reliable tender.

[MikeVic]

Can I just pick random guys for people if they take a long time? Pokey Reddick for goalie.

[Chief Rum]

Who is up? I was pretty shocked I didn't get an email today from Brian telling me I was up. For good reason--the draft didn't get to me! WTF? What's the hold up here?

I say we award this drafter Mike Sillinger and move on.

[Maple Leafs]

Anyone who complains about the delay but does not send at least a short list to bsak gets a John Kordic reverse facial cross-check.

[Lathum]

on 5 hours now.

I may need to drop out, we are going away for Easter

[Pumpy Tudors]

OK, you guys got me. I'll take Mike Sillinger.

[Dr. Sak]

Starting tomorrow we are going on a 2 hr pick clock starting at 8am est tomorrow morning.

[Suburban Rhythm]

This may help my cause...I am eyeing an active player.
The longer this goes on, the better his stats get.

[Chief Rum]

Anyone who complains about the delay but does not send at least a short list to bsak gets a John Kordic reverse facial cross-check.

I actually did not send a list to Brian, but he knows how to reach me. I felt that having to go off of lists hurt me in the literature draft, so I want to make my pick live where I can.

[Maple Leafs]

I actually did not send a list to Brian, but he knows how to reach me. I felt that having to go off of lists hurt me in the literature draft, so I want to make my pick live where I can.
Yeah, that's fine too as long as he can always reach you (e-mail, etc).

[Oilers9911]

I will select, as my coach - Punch Imlach

[Maple Leafs]

3.5 Larry Robinson, defensive defenceman (MTL, LA)

[Chief Rum]

3.5 Larry Robinson, defensive defenceman (MTL, LA)

Hate doesn't even begin to describe...

I may have to draft a certain Swedish center in retribution. ;)

[Dr. Sak]

Suburban Rhythm selects...

3.6 Dom Hasek (CHI, BUF, OTT and DET) Goalie

[Dr. Sak]

Chief Rum selects...

3.7 Ron Francis (Leader) - Hartford, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Toronto

[TazFTW]

3.8 Bryan Trottier, playmaker (NYI, PIT)

[Chief Rum]

Francis is Swedish, right? (still hate ya, Sean ;) ! )

[Lathum]

ready in 1 sec guys, hope I didn't hold stuff up

[Lathum]

3.9 Billy Smith Goalie -Kings, Islanders

Won a veznia and 4 straight stanly cups, waon an amazing 19 playoff series in a row, hall of famer and an added bonus he only played for 2 teams.

[Honolulu_Blue]

3.10 Bobby Clarke (Leader) - Philadelphia

A talented playmaker, he had three 100-point seasons, twice led the league in assists, and played in eight NHL All-Star Games. He was also a great defensive player, a great checker, and one of the best in the face-off circle. One of the game's great leaders, Clarke was the captain of the notorious Broad Street Bullies during their heyday in the mid-1970s. The Bullies were a reflection of their captain, who had a tireless work ethic, a strong will to win, and a willingness to do anything it took to win even if it meant bending the rules.

[Lathum]

thought about Clark for the 1 team value but I couldn't pass up on a goalie who won 4 staraight cups, still a nice pick HB

[Honolulu_Blue]

thought about Clark for the 1 team value but I couldn't pass up on a goalie who won 4 staraight cups, still a nice pick HB

Thanks. Though between Partick Roy and Bobby Clarke, I clearly have already drafted the least likeable team.

[Lathum]

Thanks. Though between Partick Roy and Bobby Clarke, I clearly have already drafted the least likeable team.

As a life long Devils fan ( a REAL devils fan, not one from New Orleanr :p ) I agree with you.

[Fidatelo]

Thanks. Though between Partick Roy and Bobby Clarke, I clearly have already drafted the least likeable team.

You should just run with that throughout the whole draft. There are tonnes of good jerks out there. I'd give extra points for the added flavour :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

You should just run with that throughout the whole draft. There are tonnes of good jerks out there. I'd give extra points for the added flavour :)

I may just do that. The Jerk Squad.