2008 Top Gun Game A - DRAFT THREAD

[Radii]

Game Rules:

1) Each participant drafts a team of 6 players.
2) Snake draft done on the forum.
3) You score as many points as each of your drafted players scores in the NCAA tournament.
4) One of your players must be from a team seeded 10th or lower.


Draft Rules:

There is a 1 hour clock that will run from 10am to 4pm eastern time Monday through Wednesday of next week. Drafting may begin immediately after the selection show ends. If a person has not sent a draft list and is unable to pick when the clock is running, I will auto-draft the top scorer who is on a team in the NCAA tournament from this list:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/leaders?groupId=50&cat=scoring&sort=AVG

If the draft is moving too slowly I reserve the right to extend the clock later in the week (ie have it from fro 10am-7pm if necessary to guarentee we finish).


Game A Participants and Draft Order

1. Karlifornia
2. Shorty3281
3. Eaglesfan27
4. sooner333
5. sublime 2
6. stevew
7. hoopsguy
8. Neuqua


EDIT: shifting around the draft order to give this the best chance of moving along!

[Radii]

Draft Results

1.1. Tyler Hansbrough, North Carolina (Karlifornia)
1.2. Kevin Love, UCLA (Shorty3281)
1.3. Wayne Ellington, North Carolina (Eaglesfan27)
1.4. DJ Augustin, Texas (sooner333)
1.5. Brandon Rush, Kansas (sublime 2)
1.6. Chris Douglas-Roberts, Memphis (stevew)
1.7. Darren Collison, UCLA (hoopsguy)
1.8 Roy Hibbert, Georgetown (Neuqua)

2.1 Sam Young, Pitt (Neuqua)
2.2 Mario Chalmers, Kansas (hoopsguy)
2.3 Eric Gordon, Indiana (stevew)
2.4 Brook Lopez, Stanford (sublime 2)
2.5 Chris Lofton, Tennessee (sooner333)
2.6 OJ Mayo, USC (Eaglesfan27)
2.7 AJ Abrams, Texas (Shorty3281)
2.8 Shan Foster, Vanderbilt (Karlifornia)

3.1 Kyle Singler, Duke (Karlifornia)
3.2 A.J. Price, Connecticut (Shorty3281)
3.3 Derrick Rose, Memphis (Eaglesfan27)
3.4 Josh Shipp, UCLA (sooner333)
3.5 Demarcus Nelson, Duke (sublime 2)
3.6 Johnathon Wallace, Georgetown (stevew)
3.7 Ty Lawson, North Carolina (hoopsguy)
3.8 Danny Green, North Carolina (Neuqua)

4.1 Luke Harangody, Notre Dame (Neuqua)
4.2 Darrell Arthur, Kansas (hoopsguy)
4.3 Michael Beasley, Kansas State (stevew)
4.4 Tyler Smith, Tennessee (sublime 2)
4.5 Stephen Curry, Davidson (sooner333)
4.6 Russell Westbrook, UCLA (Eaglesfan27)
4.7 JaJuan Smith, Tennessee (Shorty3281)
4.8 Derrick Low,Washington State (Karlifornia)


5.1 Jerryd Bayless, Arizona (Karlifornia)
5.2 David Padgett, Louisville (Shorty3281)
5.3 Dionte Christmas, Temple (Eaglesfan27)
5.4 Frank Alexander, West Virginia (sooner333)
5.5 Chase Buddinger, Arizona (sublime 2)
5.6 Josh Young, Drake (stevew)
5.7 Jeff Adrian, UConn (hoopsguy)
5.8 Brian Butch, Wisconsin (Neuqua)

6.1 Pat Calathes, Saint Joseph's (Neuqua)
6.2 Curtis Jerrells - Baylor (hoopsguy)
6.3 KC Rivers, Clemson, (stevew)
6.4 A.J. Ogilvy, Vanderbilt (Sublime 2)
6.5 Damion James, Texas (sooner333)
6.6 Drew Lavender, Xavier (Eaglesfan27)
6.7 Demetric Bennett, South Alabama (Shorty3281)
6.8 Robin Lopez, Stanford (Karlifornia)

[korme]

2nd pick, Oh snap!

I will be going out for St. Patties tomorrow, so whereever we are at when I am about to leave, I will make a nice list and send it to Radii

[Karlifornia]

First pick? Too much pressure.

[Karlifornia]

With the first pick, I select Tyler Hansbrough-North Carolina

[Radii]

the second post will be used to track the picks. Oh also, please PM the person after you when you make a pick!

[korme]

Pick 2: Charron Fisher, Niagara

Just kidding.

This was difficult, but go Bruins! Kevin Love, UCLA

[Eaglesfan27]

If I was going to pick anyone from Niagara, it would be Willie Andres ;)

[Radii]

PM box is nice and empty for lists. Remember that the clock starts at 10am eastern time and we will get through 1 pick an hour minimum until 4pm. If we get through a bunch we'll keep it like that, if its slow we'll extend it from like 10am-6pm. If you're not sure you can be online during that time, make sure you have PM'd me a list!

[hoopsguy]

Bump - clock starts at 10AM EST?

[Radii]

yup, goldeneagle is on the clock

[stevew]

I sent a list that might get me through round 3. Like was noted, just don't take multiple players on the same team.

[stevew]

Just a thought, but isn't beasley maybe the best "seed over 10" player ever available, at least since we've played top gun?

[Radii]

Just a thought, but isn't beasley maybe the best "seed over 10" player ever available?


yeah, probably so. Last year it was some guy on a 16 seed. Durant was high up on the list but didn't last long enough to get auto-picked of course.

[stevew]

I would assume GE would take Douglas-Roberts at this slot. Neq's making slurpees all day(:)) so i dunno if he sent a list or not.

[Radii]

no list from neuqua, ugh. And yeah its pretty much a certainty who GE would take, but its not really fair to everyone else who we don't know who they'd take, etc.

[Eaglesfan27]

I've been around and will be checking the board every hour or so.

[Radii]

edited out, nothing to see here.

[Radii]

In past years, we've allowed people who get autopicked for to pull a Vikings and replace their pick whenever they show up if they'd like.

[Radii]

stevew is Neuqua definitely gone all day?

[sooner333]

Is Beasley really a fair person to allow to switch out. If it were some guy from Coppin State, I'd understand, but Beasley is a pretty valuable guy for a double-digit seed and we're taking away opportunities to take him with our picks.

I say we PM everyone who is in this, and then try to re-start sometime in the afternoon. It seems like some people didn't get the memo.

[stevew]

I believe the rule has always been that the autopicks go by best scorer overall left who's team is in the tourney. So Beasely fills that mold, which is suprising. Cause normally you would get some dude from coppin state.
But yeah, i see your point about switching him out.

[stevew]

stevew is Neuqua definitely gone all day?

I wouldn't be suprised. I think he get's aim's on his phone, but it doesn't look like he's online.

[stevew]

I wonder if EF is going to go with the homer pick at slot 5. Actually most likely that's who i'd take regardless.

[stevew]

I guess Neq's going to get Stephen Curry, Davidson

[Eaglesfan27]

I wonder if EF is going to go with the homer pick at slot 5. Actually most likely that's who i'd take regardless.

Heh. I guess we'll see :)

[Radii]

yeah, looks that way. We've had slow starts before that pick up in the afternoon or monday evening, no worries yet!

Eaglesfan, you'll be up in about 15 minutes at the latest if you are still around and checking in!

[Radii]

hah, guess EF is around and checking in, huh ;)

[Eaglesfan27]

I'll be driving to work in 15 minutes. I leave to drive to work in 5 minutes, but I'll be back on in 35 or so :)

[Radii]

Is Beasley really a fair person to allow to switch out. If it were some guy from Coppin State, I'd understand, but Beasley is a pretty valuable guy for a double-digit seed and we're taking away opportunities to take him with our picks.


I wish I'd put it in the "official" rules in the original post. On one hand it sucks getting auto picked for and can kill the fun of the game. But you're right, I have received more than one list with Beasley's name on it somewhere. And there are a couple other 20+ point scorers that aren't of the 16 seed screwjob variety as well, but probably aren't what most people really want to be getting early on...

not really sure what the best way to go is there, thoughts?

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't want to take the fun out of this for GE, but you were clear about when this started and I don't think you can allow a switchout on one of the top scorers in the tourney whose team has a fair shot at advancing. Shrug.

Also, I'm leaving now. I'll make my pick in about 30 minutes when I get to work.

[dacman]

I'd change it up to only autopick the best scorer from say a 1-6 seed, unless that team is down to the last pick and doesn't have a player from a 10+ seed.

[stevew]

I'd say in this scenerio, anyways, it might be best to slide GE and Neq to the end of the first round instead of autopicking. One guys getting beasely, the other will get Curry from davidson if we autopick, but those clearly aren't the best players. If either surfaces before the end of the first round, they can pick at any point, and will get locked in snake order from that point on.

Pushing both of them to 8 and 9 should take us to the end of the day today.

Or just autodraft douglas roberts for GE, and slide nequa to the end of the draft.

[Radii]

nothing to see here!

[Radii]

I like the idea of just dropping them down to the end of the draft order, GE 8th/Neuq 9th for the duration. Both are big college fans and reliable on the board and this gives everyone the best chance to make all their own picks.

Any objections to that? I've seen everyone else in the thread today so I think that'd get us moving a bit here!

[korme]

I don't know why everyone's crying about Beasley. If I had to waste pick 1.3 on him, I would be pissed. I've got probably 20 names ahead of him. Remember guys, he's a freakin 11 seed!

[Eaglesfan27]

I think moving them down in the draft order is a good solution.

Internet at work is acting up a bit, but IT seems to have it fixed now..

No homer pick for me, as it is much too early for him to go.

I'll take Wayne Ellington, UNC.

[Radii]

Alright, we're moving GoldenEagle and Neuqua to the end of the draft to try to keep things moving w/o having to make an annoying decision on autopicks that is going to suck for someone!


Once we make it down to GE's pick that's now at the end of the first round, we're going to stick with the original rules as stated, top scorer, send lists, etc, no substituting picks out, etc. (Hint, send lists)

Next year a rule like dacman suggested would be a good change probably.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola -

Forgot to bold it, and don't want to edit so:

Wayne Ellington, UNC.

[Radii]

sooner's up, PM'd him.


go go tar heel picks!

[sooner333]

D.J. Augustin texas

[stevew]

I'm around, so no need to list pick for me this round.

[Radii]

sublime 2 is up, I PMd him a bit ago, he was on not too long ago!

[Sublime 2]

I'm here, pick to come shortly.

[Sublime 2]

Brandon Rush - Kansas

[Radii]

stevew's up, i have a list from him but will wait a bit, he's been around all day and mentioned wanting to make his pick

[stevew]

Chris douglas-roberts Memphis.

[Radii]

hoopsguy is up, same as before, i have a list but waiting a little bit for him

[hoopsguy]

I'll take Collison from UCLA.

[hoopsguy]

Radii, thanks for providing a little window there, even if I did go with the top pick on my list.

[hoopsguy]

Also, as an alternate auto-pick rule how about we give the top player picked in the other thread if someone isn't around for an hour? Seeing as how they are into the 3rd round by now this might be a workable solution for a little while and help us get back on track with picks.

[Eaglesfan27]

Also, as an alternate auto-pick rule how about we give the top player picked in the other thread if someone isn't around for an hour? Seeing as how they are into the 3rd round by now this might be a workable solution for a little while and help us get back on track with picks.

I like this idea, even though it might lead to my favorite homer pick getting taken before I'd like him to be taken. ;)

[stevew]

yeah, i had the exact same though as Hoopsguy actually.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, it might end up generating better picks than our other auto-default options but I'm OK with that as long as we are keeping this moving along.

[Radii]

yea that isn't a bad idea. we'll see what happens tomorrow.

we're off the clock today, but obviously behind a bit. PM'ing GE and Neuqua, and if those of you that pick early int he second round can update/send in lists if you're not around tonight we can maybe make a bit more progress this evening.

I'm probably out til 7pm or so tonight.

[Neuqua]

Hey guys, been at work all day and just saw the thread now. Will send my list in before the end of the evening.

[Radii]

Hey guys, been at work all day and just saw the thread now. Will send my list in before the end of the evening.

awesome :)

[Radii]

BTW, if we haven't heard from GE by the time I wake up tomorrow, we'll just remove him and have 8 people here, so worst case, if we have a couple players from neuqua in a list, we'll be rolling in the 2nd round immediately tomorrow morning.

[Radii]

alright, lets roll. Dropped GoldenEagle.

Neuqua, via list, selects:

Roy Hibbert, Georgetown
Sam Young, Pitt

[Radii]

I have a list from hoopsguy but will give him a bit to check in first.

[Radii]

hoopsguy, via list:

2.2 Mario Chalmers, Kansas

[stevew]

Eric Gordon-Indiana

[Radii]

and subilme 2 has been PMd, same thing there, he's got a list, just giving him a chance to check in.

[Sublime 2]

Brook Lopez - Stanford

[Radii]

sooner's up, and here it would appear.

[sooner333]

Chris Lofton, Tennessee

[Radii]

Eaglesfan27 is out til this afternoon and selects, via list:

2.6 OJ Mayo, USC

[Radii]

shorty's been PM'd

[Radii]

shit, sorry, logged from FOFC for a bit. Shorty's getting

AJ Abrams, Texas

top player from the other draft that hasn't been taken here.


Karlifornia is up for 2. I'm probalby out til 3 or 3:30 or so, will keep things going when I get back!

We really need to try to push at least into the 4th round today/tonight :D Sorry for the holdup there on Shorty's pick.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm back and will be checking in every hour or so - no need to use my list for further picks for today. :)

Very happy to get Mayo in the 2nd round. I thought he was a huge reach at 3 but I think he is a fair value here and only a bit of a homer pick now ;)


Edit: I will be away from the computer again tomorrow and will send a new list tonight.

[Radii]

..

[Radii]

my apologies today for not being around as much as I expected to enforce the clock and get through a few more picks, we should have been back up through EF27 by now and chugging along. I'm still hoping we can get through the 3rd round today, and tomorrow the clock will really have to run from 10am-8pm to get us moving, which I hate to do, but hopefully people will be able to check in at good enough intervals that they don't have to send crazy 15 player lists :)

[Eaglesfan27]

My power has been out for the last 2 hours or so due to storms. I was worried I might have been holding things up during the power outage. I guess I shouldn't have worried.

[Neuqua]

I'll have a list submitted by tonight again.

[Radii]

yeah send lists guys, as long as you are reasonably able to do, I'll definitely be as leniant as possible on people that have been around and have sent lists in and all that jazz, but we got 4 rounds to complete by Thursday noon here!

[Eaglesfan27]

I'll be away from a computer 8-5 tomorrow. List sent to Radii.

[Karlifornia]

Sorry guys, worked a double today, and forgot to send in my list...Here are my two picks:

Shan Foster-Vanderbilt
Kyle Singler-Duke

[Radii]

woohoo, picks!

[Radii]

PM'd shorty

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm here until about 8:15 this morning if my pick comes up.

[Radii]

Shorty autos:

A.J. Price, Connecticut

[Radii]

Eaglesfan27 takes Derrick Rose, Memphis via list, sooner333 is up!

[Radii]

got a list from sooner as well:

Josh Shipp, UCLA

sublime 2 is up.

[Radii]

I have a list from sublime 2 but it is an old one, he was on the board just a few minutes ago... gonna give him 10 more minutes or so before i pick for him.

[Radii]

sublime 2 selects, via list:

Demarcus Nelson - Duke

stevew is up

[stevew]

Johnathon Wallace-Georgetown

[Radii]

PM'd hoopsguy as well, got a list from him, it might be slightly outdated, gonna grab some lunch and give him 15 minutes or so before i use the list.

[hoopsguy]

I'll take Lawson from UNC.

[Radii]

Neuqua selects:

3.8 Danny Green, North Carolina
4.1 Luke Harangody, Notre Dame

[hoopsguy]

I'll take Arthur from Kansas and officially tie my fate to the success of Bill Self's club. Not an easy thing for me to do as an Illinois fan.

[stevew]

Michael Beasley-KSU

[Radii]

And sublime 2 is back up again, looks to be in the thread, woohoo for the draft moving!

[Radii]

erm, or not! PM'd Sublime 2, his list has been used up at this point, so he's got an hour.

[Sublime 2]

Tyler Smith - Tennessee

[Radii]

PM'd sooner, hsi list has been exhausted

[sooner333]

I'm here...give me a couple minutes to look things over.

[sooner333]

Stephen Curry, Davidson (double digit seed pick)

[Radii]

PM'd EF27, I have his list but he was online recently so I'll give him a bit first.

[korme]

sorry guys, storms knocked out internet for me all day yesterday, but i'm off today and should be available all day to help get this thing complete

[Radii]

Eaglesfan27 selects, via list:

Russell Westbrook, UCLA

[Radii]

PM'd shorty as well

[korme]

Give me like 1 minute

[Radii]

npnp!

[korme]

Another Smith from UT. JaJuan Smith.

[GoldenEagle]

Crap. My bad. I forgot all about this.

[Radii]

hah, no problem GE, hadn't seen you on the board for a couple days and figured you had other stuff going on!


I've PM'd Karlifornia. Remember, clock is running til 8pm tonight, and more importantly, we have to finish the thing by tomorrow at noon, so keep those lists coming if you aren't going to be around this evening!

Gonna give Karlifornia til 5pm and then autopick both his picks if he hasnt' been able to make it, so if you're up after him, definitely be back by 5(hopefully he'll be able to get online to pick though of course!)

[stevew]

If i come up again, use my list. If you have to autopick for me, i understan. I'll be gone till about 930-10 oclock

[Radii]

If i come up again, use my list. If you have to autopick for me, i understan. I'll be gone till about 930-10 oclock

you've only got 2 players on that list still available, if you have time to toss on a couple more names before you go.

[Eaglesfan27]

PM'd EF27, I have his list but he was online recently so I'll give him a bit first.

I had 2 minutes to check in between meetings. Now, my meetings have ended early (2 hours early which is a record which is great!) So, I'll be online for the next few hours.

I hated taking anyone from UCLA, but I believe they are going to the Final 4, and I'm trying to win this... so, I bit that bullet.

[stevew]

you've only got 2 players on that list still available, if you have time to toss on a couple more names before you go.

Oh, shit

[Radii]

I hated taking anyone from UCLA, but I believe they are going to the Final 4, and I'm trying to win this... so, I bit that bullet.


I was wondering how difficult that was for you :D

[Karlifornia]

Derrick Low-Washington State
Jerryd Bayless-Arizona

[korme]

David Padgett, Louisville

[Eaglesfan27]

To cover my low seed requirement:

Dionte Christmas, Temple

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola -

PM sent to Sooner.

[Radii]

with 1 1/2 rounds left, remember that one pick must come from a team seeded 10 or below. So far sooner333, Karlifornia, stevew and EF27 have met that requirement.

[Neuqua]

Radii, if you see me online, go ahead and IM me and I'll make a selection. If you don't, then go ahead and use my "list."

[Radii]

sooner333 auto's:

no one!

[Radii]

I have a list from Sublime 2, gonna give him just a few minutes after PM'ing him.

[Radii]

Sublime 2, via list, selects:

Chase Buddinger, Arizona

[sooner333]

Damn, missed it by half-hour. Oh well...hopefully the guy I wanted will still be availible next round.

[Radii]

check your PM, sooner333

[sooner333]

Thanks Radii, Ill change my pick to: Frank Alexander, West Virginia

[Radii]

cool.

For reference here, I auto'd sooner, but his pick doesn't impact sublime's pick at all(sublime 2 got the first player on his list either way), so letting him go ahead and change it. Would try to do thta for anyone if it doesn't impact anything else, but especially sooner333 here since he's been here for all his picks and sending lists at a good clip.

[Radii]

stevew, via list, selects:

Josh Young, Drake

[Radii]

PM'd hoopsguy, no one on his most recent list is available.

[Radii]

hoopsguy auto's:

Jeff Adrian, UConn

[Radii]

I got ahold of neuqua via IM, he'll be picking in a bit.

[Radii]

Neuqua selects:

Brian Butch, Wisconsin
Pat Calathes, Saint Joseph's

[hoopsguy]

OK, time to get my pick in - sorry for missing one. Didn't realize that we would be making this good a speed after the last couple of slower days.

[hoopsguy]

Curtis Jerrells - Baylor

[Radii]

hoopsguy, feel free to replace Jeff Adrian if you'd like as well, Neuqua didn't want him either way. Make sure you grab a 10 seed+ guy

[Radii]

ok, hoopsguy is cool w/ adrian. Stevew had two people on his list at the start of round 5. Both have survived by a hair(his last pick is also the next autopick, had I not been able to get ahold of Neuqua, etc).

stevew, via list, selects KC Rivers, Clemson

[Radii]

by my count, Shorty is the only one who still needs to take a double digit seed player, everyone else already has.

Sublime 2 is up. No more clock tonight.

[Radii]

actually I have a recent list from sublime 2 with players on it still, gonna go figure out something for dinner for myself and see if he hops on and wants to look over things himself first, if he hasn't I'll use his list.

[Sublime 2]

A.J. Ogilvy - Vanderbilt


edited for Team.

[stevew]

nice, I knew both would survive!!!!

[sooner333]

Damion James, Texas. I'm going to go ahead and put all of my eggs with Texas.

[Radii]

I PM'd EF27, I'm spotty the rest of the night, almost done though!

[korme]

I guess that's fitting sooner, since you are a big Texas fan

[Eaglesfan27]

Just finished watching American Idol with the wife.. pick coming shortly.

[Eaglesfan27]

Drew Lavender, Xavier

[Radii]

shorty's up and has to take a double digit seed guy.

That means that, ulness karlifornia wants a guy from a 10 or below seed he can pick any time as well

[korme]

Demetric Bennett, South Alabama

[Karlifornia]

Robin Lopez-Stanford

Goin with the homer pick to close it out!

[sooner333]

I guess that's fitting sooner, since you are a big Texas fan

Haha, yeah. Well, I think they're going to make the Final Four. James isn't much worse than Abrams, and he was a second round pick. I'm too smart to take Blake Griffin...hopefully I'm wrong, but my Sooners are a second round max team. I'm in this to win it.

[Radii]

woohoo, good job getting tihs done before thursday morning after the slow start. I'll get a scoring thread up tomorrow, GL all!