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Mizzou B-ball fan
05-20-2008, 10:32 AM
Really getting excited to see the new season of the Mole. Premiere is June 2nd at 10:00 Eastern/9:00 Central Time. Jon Kelley is the host of the show. Contestant bios are also now up on the Mole's official website. Pretty diverse group it would appear.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/themole/index?pn=hostbio#t=host
Maple Leafs
05-20-2008, 10:51 AM
Wow, I'd forgotten about this show. Didn't they do a season or two, then a few years of Celebrity Edition and ditch it? Or did they sneak a few more seasons in that I missed?
Cringer
05-20-2008, 11:03 AM
It's the black guy! I win!!
;)
Yeah I think there were two seasons. I loved them. I hope the show is still good without Anderson Cooper. He was great. Celebrity Mole was stupid and annoying which has me worried.
Pumpy Tudors
05-20-2008, 11:18 AM
Is there a supermodel in the contestant list? If so, there's your mole right there.
Mizzou B-ball fan
05-20-2008, 12:54 PM
Wow, I'd forgotten about this show. Didn't they do a season or two, then a few years of Celebrity Edition and ditch it? Or did they sneak a few more seasons in that I missed?
There were 2 seasons hosted by Anderson Cooper followed by two seasons of Celebrity Mole hosted by Ahmad Rashad. This will be the 5th season in the U.S. The show has been produced in 40 countries thus far after being created in the Netherlands. Here's the history of the show and the familiar rules/competitions.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mole_%28TV_series%29
Maple Leafs
05-20-2008, 01:00 PM
Couldn't they have found a way to get Stephen Baldwin and Corbin Bernson back in?
I know it's not "Celebrity" any more, but hey, neither are they.
GrantDawg
05-20-2008, 02:16 PM
Couldn't they have found a way to get Stephen Baldwin and Corbin Bernson back in?
I know it's not "Celebrity" any more, but hey, neither are they.
Zing!
I love this show. I can't wait to see it again.
EagleFan
05-21-2008, 03:17 AM
Missed this show. It never seemed to catch on even though a lot of people who I know that watch other 'reality' shows seemed to like this one a lot.
Glad to see it's coming back.
Always thought it would be cool to get on this show as the mole.
Thomkal
06-02-2008, 08:55 AM
Just a reminder that this starts tonight at 10pm. I expect you all to post immediately after with your thoughts on who the Mole is. ;)
Awesome. I recorded the marathon of The Mole on FOX Reality yesterday and watched 4 episodes last night and was absolutely engrossed. I forgot how good this show was. I even remember who wins and who the Mole was and that just made it more fun. I remember the show drops hints via editing at who the mole is and it was fun watching for those.
I really hope the host is good because Anderson Cooper was so perfect for this show. If the show is bad (think Ahmad Rashas) this thing stands no chance.
rjolley
06-02-2008, 09:18 AM
I'm looking forward to this. I enjoyed The Mole when it was on and was disappointed when they changed the format. Hopefully, this is as good as the original version.
Thomkal
06-02-2008, 09:24 AM
Yeah Matt, can't imagine anyone being as good as Anderson Cooper was as host, so that has me worried. I'm probably one of the few that didn't mind Ahmad Rashad as host, but glad he's not doing this one.
TredWel
06-02-2008, 10:08 AM
I loved the show when it was first on, and had lost all hope in seeing it again in the original format. The celebrity editions were OK, but no show doing poorly in the ratings was ever saved by adding the word "Celebrity" to the title, so I was surprised to see a second celebrity edition. Happy to see that it has returned, and the TiVo is set.
Also interested to see how the new guy is. If the job Anderson Cooper did was an A, and drunk asshole Anderson Cooper from the second season was an A+, Ahmad Rashad was a C, at best.
Butter
06-02-2008, 10:36 AM
Thanks for the bump.
Thomkal
06-02-2008, 10:45 PM
well I thought the new host was pretty bleh, the jump over a waterfall was pretty cool, the game on the beach was ok, and I'm not surprised at all at who was eliminated based on how much that person was featured during the course of the show.
This show sucks without Anderson Cooper. I hated how much they did right off the bat to cause conflict. In the original the players bonded right off the bat (having to all jump out of a plane for a nice easy first win).
Hopefully it will get better, but I'm not encouraged. Plus everyone is like the same person.
molson
06-02-2008, 10:59 PM
Here's what I never got about the show - it seemed like the "quizzes" all assumed that everyone already knew who the mole was, you just had to remember little details like what they were wearing, where they sat at dinner, etc.
Those kinds of questions are pointless - if you knew who the mole was, it was just a memory game, and if you didn't, it was just a random guess. By the end of the game, the last couple of people HAD to know who the mole was to do well on that kind of test, yet everyone acted like it was still in doubt.
I mean, in order to get ANY of those quiz answers right, you have to KNOW 100% who the mole is, or you're totally guessing.
Thomkal
06-03-2008, 06:56 AM
That's somewhat true Molson, but on some questions you can put the odds in your favor if you don't know who the Mole is by picking the larger group of people available. Like with the one question you could pick the scavengers since there was more of them.
I also could have done without the return of the "confessionals" about the person just eliminated. Instead I would like to see how the eliminated person voted on 1 or 2 questions to help in figuring out who the Mole is by ourselves.
I just wish ABC had gone with a known host with charisma/wit or had worked with this guy to get him more comfortable. Maybe he will grow into a bit more as the show goes on.
Here's what I never got about the show - it seemed like the "quizzes" all assumed that everyone already knew who the mole was, you just had to remember little details like what they were wearing, where they sat at dinner, etc.
Those kinds of questions are pointless - if you knew who the mole was, it was just a memory game, and if you didn't, it was just a random guess. By the end of the game, the last couple of people HAD to know who the mole was to do well on that kind of test, yet everyone acted like it was still in doubt.
I mean, in order to get ANY of those quiz answers right, you have to KNOW 100% who the mole is, or you're totally guessing.
The quiz is sort of tiered from general to specific. Some questions have large groups as the answer, and some questions are very specific (like the last one, "Who is The Mole?") You can employ different strategies to try to hedge your bets, put all your eggs in one basket, etc. But there are questions like "Is the mole right or left handed?" where there are only two options. Obviously you don't have to know who the mole is to get this one right, but if you do, you have a better chance. There is the skill of knowing who the mole is correctly PLUS knowing details about them and everyone else, plus a little luck/skill in getting the general groups of people right. It is really a pretty neat mechanic and I like that they showed what most/all of the quiz was like.
tyketime
06-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Mrs Tyke & I watched this for the first time (missing the first season). I'm definitely intrigued and plan to continue watching. But I have a question... what does the mole get? I understand how he/she is sabotaging the challenges to reduce the amount of money going into the pool. Does the Mole win the money if he/she outlasts all other contestants? And if so, then by sabotaging the games, is it counter-productive?
TredWel
06-04-2008, 11:13 AM
Mrs Tyke & I watched this for the first time (missing the first season). I'm definitely intrigued and plan to continue watching. But I have a question... what does the mole get? I understand how he/she is sabotaging the challenges to reduce the amount of money going into the pool. Does the Mole win the money if he/she outlasts all other contestants? And if so, then by sabotaging the games, is it counter-productive?
Not quite. The money goes to the last non-mole player standing. Since the mole doesn't have to take the quizzes at the end of each episode, the mole is never at risk of elimination.
The mole is paid an undisclosed flat rate for their performance. It would be cool if the money earned by the mole was performance based, based on incorrect answers by the other contestants on the quizzes or overall money lost, but that would probably be too difficult to figure out, and could lead to some unintended side effects.
At the end of the season, there will be two people left. The winner and the mole. The mole will not ever be eliminated.
tyketime
06-04-2008, 11:53 AM
The mole is paid an undisclosed flat rate for their performance.
Ahhh... OK. That makes sense.
The only thing I didn't care for was the whole "Execution" scene. It seemed awfully hokey to have that big screen there and we painfully watch each person's reaction as the Host goes through one at a time. What would have worked better for me was to show the screen of all players (intermixed with the obligatory reaction shots) and then slowly eliminate the pictures of players who passed the test. You end up with two people and perhaps add a bit more drama to the proceedings. You can even make it so that on an occasion or two, the mole is the other player remaining who theoretically could be eliminated. Then fade the picture of the last safe player, and the player left on the screen is the one executed. I think this builds more intrigue, but ymmv.
GrantDawg
06-04-2008, 02:08 PM
At the end of the season, there will be two people left. The winner and the mole. The mole will not ever be eliminated.
If I remember correctly, wasn't there three at the end?
GrantDawg
06-04-2008, 02:11 PM
Ahhh... OK. That makes sense.
The only thing I didn't care for was the whole "Execution" scene. It seemed awfully hokey to have that big screen there and we painfully watch each person's reaction as the Host goes through one at a time. What would have worked better for me was to show the screen of all players (intermixed with the obligatory reaction shots) and then slowly eliminate the pictures of players who passed the test. You end up with two people and perhaps add a bit more drama to the proceedings. You can even make it so that on an occasion or two, the mole is the other player remaining who theoretically could be eliminated. Then fade the picture of the last safe player, and the player left on the screen is the one executed. I think this builds more intrigue, but ymmv.
I agree to an extent that it is painfully slow, but I will give it to this game unlike most reality shows...the first and second person called is generally safe, but they don't call evey single person to the final two and then drag it out even further. They usually don't go more than 5 or 6 deep.
If I remember correctly, wasn't there three at the end?
I mean at the very end. The final episode/challenge has 3 players, yes. The mole, the eventual winner, and the eventual loser. One of them is executed at the end to leave the two I was referring to as being left at the end.
Thomkal
06-10-2008, 08:57 PM
what so did no one watch the second episode? :) I thought this was a better episode, with challenges more like the regular Mole challenges, especially the pig one at the end.
Host seems more comfrotable with things, hit the right tone with the puns as he described the pig challenge rules. Was sad to see the Mole's victim-would have liked to have seen one of the more obnoxious people go. But would have held them back a lot in the more physical challenges, so probably good for the group.
Anyone want to guess who the Mole is yet? I can't even remember her name, but I will go with the woman who rode on the two person bicycle. Just something is making me more suspicious of her than the others at the moment.
Though I don't know what to make of Bobby. He's young and does not look unfit to me, so I'm finding it hard to believe he is struggling so much physically. (soccer player my ass!) He's playing way over the top if he's the Mole. I mean he was worse than the old lady and the fat guy in these challenges. The fat guy (can't remember his name either) is someone else I think could be the Mole.
Racer
06-10-2008, 09:07 PM
The fat guy seems like he could actually be an actor. That's who I thought was the mole until he helped them in the pig challenge.
Alan T
06-10-2008, 09:08 PM
I haven't really watched the Mole before, but decided to watch this season because at least for now it has been taking place in Chile. My wife was born there, and I've been there once for about 10 days, so it was neat to see places that I have been before. (The bike challenge was somewhere I had visited for instance).
Is this entire season in Chile or just a few episodes before they go elsewhere? Not sure if this show has lasting quality for me (it seems pretty slow at least to me), but the lack of anything else great on new right now helps it out.
rjolley
06-10-2008, 09:37 PM
I didn't watch the first episode, but watched the second. I'm still on the fence about continuing. On the one hand, it had the feel of the original show, but there was something missing. I didn't mind the host. I did get the feeling that the players were too combative this early in the game. Didn't seem like it was that tense between the contestants early on before. Either the mole is playing people against each other, or the people who are on these types of shows now are totally different than the people who were on the original show.
Also, no idea who the mole is. Too many choices.
kingnebwsu
06-10-2008, 11:30 PM
I think people are vying for the airtime so they have to be more combative. Kind of annoying to someone like me (who doesn't usually like reality TV).
That dude from NY (Paul) can go fuck off. I hate him so much. He's too obvious a choice for the mole.
As is Bobby who can't walk more than 10 feet. Worst mole or worst player ever. Take your pick.
I think the dude who rode the bike (Mark) could be the mole.
Alex's reaction when he got the green screen seemed fake to me.
My top 3 right now would be:
Alex
Mark
Paul
Racer
06-16-2008, 10:03 PM
Only spoiler if you haven't seen tonight's episode
Damn. Why did the hot girl have to take the money?
That being said, I probably would have taken $30,000.
kingnebwsu
06-16-2008, 11:56 PM
I would have taken the $20,000 for sure. It's like 9 to 1 odds of getting eliminated versus a slim 1 in 9 chance of winning a huge jackpot. I guess I'm no fun though... ;)
EagleFan
06-17-2008, 12:54 AM
Are there multiple moles? There are two things that really stand out to two different people this episode but I find it hard to believe that things could be that obvious.
The lady that was giving the wrong objects during the luge. What the hell was she doing? If she's not the mole she's an idiot.
The fat guy. First he talks after the point where they were allowed to costing the team a lot of cash, then the cleaner thing seemed too fishy. Fist he acts like he stumbled upon it then during the dinner he nods and acts like he picked up on the address clue.
On another note, some of those ladies are hot. I didn't see the end so I don't know what happened (was flipping back and forth between playing a game and watching that).
Pretty sure Nicole is just an idiot. Remember that it benefits the players to draw suspicion on themselves (so that they are the only one that knows who the real mole is). I think the trick to figuring out who the mole is is really body language. You have to judge the ones that are truly relieved at not being executed, which ones are really nervous, etc. and which one is faking all of that.
Everyone will have multiple suspicious spots throughout the season.
Thomkal
06-17-2008, 03:45 PM
disappointed someone took the money-c'mon its the Mole, you gotta play to the end! Glad at least that one annoying player went with her.
I think Nicole's actions in the luge game, and the two guys who refused to walk around town in their underwear did so just to draw suspicion on themselves. Though I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Mark now given what happened in the game where he had to ride the two person bike and the "problems" he had with the bike. Also might explain his eagerness to get more involved with the pig slingshot in that other game.
Craig continues to be high on my list due to his disqualification in the first game and finding their clothes in the second. And man that Paul is a real prick. But is it an act? My previous suspicion of the woman on the bike with Mark has gone down after this week since she didn't seem to do anything to thwart either game.
fantom1979
06-17-2008, 04:11 PM
I told my wife that I think it would have been funny if the mole had taken the $30k and walked off. I could imagine the conversations the producers would be having with him/her outside.
Ummm... you cant leave, its kinda of important for you to stay.
Raiders Army
06-18-2008, 10:01 PM
Paul sorta made me think of Hell Atlantic. WYSIWYG.
Starting to suspect Alex. My wife suspects Craig but didn't really watch tonight.
kingnebwsu
06-24-2008, 07:45 PM
Craig's reactions are all so phony. He's at the top of my list. Along with Mark then Paul.
I think Nicole is just a bitch.
And last night's episode didn't help me on my guessing who the Mole is...
Racer
06-24-2008, 07:55 PM
Craig's reactions are all so phony. He's at the top of my list. Along with Mark then Paul.
I think Nicole is just a bitch.
And last night's episode didn't help me on my guessing who the Mole is...
I look at how players are edited to try to figure out who the mole is. Craig has now been labeled by several players as someone who couldn't possibly be the mole. I haven't noticed other players getting these sort of comments nearly as much as Craig has. This makes me think he's probably the mole.
If he does end up being the mole, I wonder what the production team thought when he had to receive medical attention.
kingnebwsu
06-24-2008, 09:29 PM
That could have been planned too...as a way to have extra time to chat/plan with him. Maybe he's an in-shape 300 pound guy? ;)
Thomkal
07-02-2008, 05:07 PM
I still think the Mole is Mark-hated to see Kristin go-Nicole the only woman left who would have thought that at the beginning of the game?
Kristen was kind of a babe wasn't she? Yeah Mark certainly looked suspicious recently.
Thomkal
07-14-2008, 12:43 PM
Just in case you missed it, the Mole has two episodes starting at 9 tonight. First appears to be a recap of some sort, I guess to make up for not being on last week. Regular episode follows
kingnebwsu
07-14-2008, 04:05 PM
That will keep me entertained until the midnight launch of NCAA. Good times! :)
Good episodes tonight. My wife and I have settled on Craig as our prime suspect. We eliminated Alex and Mark. Clay and Paul are the only others alive and possible in our eyes. I think my order for who I think is the mole is:
1. Craig
2. Clay
3. Paul
4. Nicole
5. Mark
kingnebwsu
07-15-2008, 12:35 AM
My order before tonight was:
Craig
Paul
Nicole
Mark
Clay
(Alex)
2 of the last 3 weeks the player last on my list has been eliminated. Grrr...
Thomkal
07-15-2008, 07:20 AM
well just when I was certain the Mole was Mark he goes and basically wins a challenge all by himself. I guess I go bacl to Craig. I'd like to consider Nicole, but that's who Alex said was the Mole right up to the quiz and he's gone. Unless they all know its Nicole now and he just messed up the most questions.
I used to be good at figuring out who the Mole is. Feh.
well just when I was certain the Mole was Mark he goes and basically wins a challenge all by himself. I guess I go bacl to Craig. I'd like to consider Nicole, but that's who Alex said was the Mole right up to the quiz and he's gone. Unless they all know its Nicole now and he just messed up the most questions.
I used to be good at figuring out who the Mole is. Feh.
This is the major reason I took Nicole almost completely off of my list. It is worth noting, though, that 2 of the last 3 quizzes involve ties (mentioned by the host). Last night's didn't have a tie at the bottom (or at least wasn't mentioned) but the previous 2 did. I actually mentioned to my wife it could be that Nicole is the mole and is so bad at it everyone knows and it's just a speed/detail test at this point or all of them--that's why there was a tie twice in a row. Just a remote possibility. Still is, I guess.
I don't think so, though. Pretty sure it is Craig at this point. The only other person that makes sense to me at all, really, is Clay. If it is Paul, he fooled me big time.
jonesz
07-15-2008, 09:10 AM
I'm still going with Craig. Two things where just too "coincidental" for me to believe they where random. One being that he just happened to stumble by the correct laundry mat and just happen to see their names on their clothes on the counter. The other being that he just happened to say the "magic word" in "normal conversation" to earn the right to choose teams in a challenge that could made extremely difficult by that person. Those two things are a little too "dumb luck" for me to believe they weren't setups. That plus the out of shape thing is obvious, beyond his control and always makes a great "excuse".
I definitely thought the magic word thing was suspicious.
jonesz
07-15-2008, 09:15 AM
Yeah, it just seemed so out of left field to me when he used the word in the conversation. It didn't really fit and seemed weird.
I have been watching season 2 of the mole on youtube. Someone recently uploaded episodes 1-7 and I stumbled across it. I watched it in its original run of course, but it's been years. The Mole is without a doubt my favorite show on television. I'd rather watch it than anything else.
I got to the end of episode 7 and there was no episode 8 online, though. I sent the user that uploaded these a message and then this morning, no reply, but episode 8 was up. Hopefully they keep putting the rest of the series up, because I am hooked solid even though I know who the mole is and who wins. Doesn't matter. It's a fantastic show. I had forgotten 99% of it.
I still have season 1 on DVR from when I caught a marathon of it on fox reality channel. I'm seriously thinking about buying these on DVD (I know season 1 exists on DVD but I think 2 would have to be a bootleg copy).
Whew. MORE MOLE. God I might track down and watch the UK versions after this.
gstelmack
07-17-2008, 02:12 PM
Craig did not stumble across the laundromat. It was the skinny soccer player who couldn't run that found the laundromat and sent him in there.
My money's on Mark. I'm 95% convinced that his tantrum after the diary was taken away was a great excuse for him to get away from the group and get additional instructions from the crew. He did a good job of just declining to participate in earlier missions. I think the two he's done since have been to get the money in the pot up to some reasonable level for the winner; with everyone else sabotaging anything, they didn't have squat in there, and he doesn't have to work hard to keep other money away. I think it's a brilliant move to win a pair here (this one, plus the $25K in the prison mission) and keep the others guessing among themselves.
Then again, I was convinced it was skinny soccer player who can't run right up until he was chopped.
Stumbling across the landromaut doesn't really synch with his job as mole like the magic word thing either. The magic word bit just leaps out at me, though. The landromaut thing does nothing for me.
BrianD
07-17-2008, 02:41 PM
I'm currently putting my money on Nicole. She can't be a dumb as she has looked recently, and I'm still suspicious of the way she called out the fruit wrong in the luge challenge.
If Mark is the mole, I'll be impressed with his acting. He really seems genuinely frustrated with poor athleticism and stupid people.
gstelmack
07-17-2008, 02:45 PM
I think Nicole tries too hard to be the Mole.
Alex and Nicole admitted on camera they intentionally sabotaged the fruit of the luge mission. This was shown in the recap show this past Monday. Nicole's admitted strategy has been to make people think she is the mole. In my experience with the show, the mole will never say this. That's just anecdotal, obviously, but it has been pretty consistent. I think Nicole is just acting like the mole.
Incidentally, the only one that I haven't seen say they could be the mole or they have tried to make others think they are the mole is Craig. This is another mark in his column for me. (Mark, too, though he has at least brought it up).
BrianD
07-17-2008, 02:50 PM
Alex and Nicole admitted on camera they intentionally sabotaged the fruit of the luge mission. This was shown in the recap show this past Monday. Nicole's admitted strategy has been to make people think she is the mole. In my experience with the show, the mole will never say this. That's just anecdotal, obviously, but it has been pretty consistent. I think Nicole is just acting like the mole.
I would say that I think she is overdoing it, but she hasn't been executed yet so maybe this is the proper strategy. This is also my first time watching the show, so I'm not familiar with different strategies.
I might track down and watch the UK versions after this.
Just watched the first UK season. Not as good as the US seasons 1 and 2, but still very enjoyable. Some of the same challenges as US season 1. I never figured out who the mole was until the reveal. I suck at this game.
Thomkal
07-18-2008, 09:24 PM
where did you find the UK version?
youtube. Start here for season 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZnWOq7p3E4
and here for season 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0sv_7FAbb8
They are pretty good, but not on par with the US first 2 seasons.'
edit to add: finished watching UK season 2 a few hours ago. good stuff.
I wonder if there would be a way to play a Mole like game on FOFC.
Thomkal
07-21-2008, 10:35 AM
I'm about to begin the third episode of UK season 1. Hard to pull myself away from it. I believe I know who the Mole is, but we shall see.
thanks for the links
Who do you think it is? I won't give it away.
Thomkal
07-22-2008, 10:12 AM
well after her comments and attitude last night, I'm really hoping Nicole is not the Mole and goes soon. Loved that her mother called her Omarosa. So if the editing they did is true to the fact, its likely Clay tied with either Mark or Nicole last night given their "coalitions"
As much as I'd like to see Nicole go, glad Clay is gone too. Liked him, but I was beginning to think he was the Mole after his performance in the numbers password game and conversations with Mark and Nicole.
It almost has to be Craig at this point. Who do you think Clay voted for? He told Mark he had been voting for Nicole, but he told Nicole he had been voting for Craig. He was obviously lying to one of them. It makes a little bit of sense to lie to Nicole if he had been voting for her, but then, if he continued to, boom he's now out. Couple that with the fact that there was a tie, which could've easily been Mark.
So, if you we assume all that is true, we can probably eliminate Nicole. Further along those lines, why would Nicole go through all that last night about wanting to go home and then deciding not to. It is an extra act she really doesn't need.
Mark has always been interesing, and some of his good performances have that taste of "making it look good." Clay repeatedly mentions how much money Mark has cost the team and people don't even realize it. I admit, I don't. Does anyone have some concrete examples of this? I know he cost the team money when he and Kristen won the exemption in the bicycle/soccer race to the summit. But other than that, when?
Paul? The problems I have with Paul being the mole are 1) he is way too visible. I don't think the mole wants to be that high profile. Could be a "double-bluff" sure, but I think I would have to couple it with something else, and I just don't have anything else on him. That might be suspicious in itself, though. Other than just being loud and obnoxious, he is pretty under-the-radar. I guess if Paul is the mole, he is the best one so far. And, 2) Paul was pretty aggressive in trying to team up with others in the beginning. This just doesn't seem like something the mole would do, and historically, the mole hasn't. The mole has no reason to seek others out for coalitions and probably has plenty of reasons not to. I just don't buy that it's Paul.
I'm sticking with Craig. He's still the only one that makes sense to me.
God, I love this show.
More that supports Craig as the mole:
Beginning of this last episode they had to divide into smart and dumb people. Craig immediately raises his hand for the dumb group. As it turns out, the dumb group's task is harder--calculating and memorizing 5 numbers instead of 3, with lots of easy ways to sabotage the counting. Nicole says "as soon as Craig picked the dumb group, I did, too, because I wanted to keep an eye on Craig." Of course, because Craig is the mole, and Nicole knows it. There are then a couple of pretty clear attempts by Craig to mangle the math and the counting of all the little squares was probably so difficult/screwed up by Craig, Nicole couldn't get it in 2 tries, and Clay comes through by figuring out the pattern in the cumulative series of numbers to get it right.
This challenege points to it being either Nicole or Craig, but it seemed obvious watching that Craig was the one sabotaging (or I'm predisposed to that).
Also, has Craig ever even had his name entered into the computer at an execution?
13-21-89
144-233-610
2584-4181
1=A
3=C
18=R
9=I
I'll bet there is some way to turn this into CRAIG IS THE MOLE or something
the sum of 1+3+2+1 is 7 which is a G? I dunno.
These are ALL Fibonaci numbers. I'm going to do some work on this. I think I'm on to something.
The numbers are the 7th, 8th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 18th, and 19th numbers in the Fibonacci Sequence. If I take the 7th, 8th, etc. letters of the alphabet, I get:
G, F, K, L, M, O, R, S
Not very promising, but there is something here somewhere, I can feel it.
kingnebwsu
07-22-2008, 10:44 PM
My order before tonight was:
Craig
Paul
Nicole
Mark
Clay
(Alex)
2 of the last 3 weeks the player last on my list has been eliminated. Grrr...
And I'm a winner again! This is really pissing me off. Ever since I got to the point where there were few enough people for me to rank them from first to last, the player LAST on my list has been eliminated for 3 of the last 4 weeks. The only player who wasn't last on my list was Kristen, and she was ranked in my bottom half.
I seriously hope this show has decent enough ratings to do another season. But indications are that it's not doing so hot...so we'll see.
My current list:
Craig
Paul
Nicole
Mark
(Clay)
I guess that means Mark will be out next week. He's definitely the most likeable person on the show. Craig's not so bad either...but many people (myself included) think he's the mole. I would love for Paul & Nicole to be the only other two people eliminated from the game, and neither of them would get a cent. Paul is a cleche NY jerkoff and Nicole is a snooty snobbish arrogant princess-like bitch. Too mean?
I guess after MJ4H's insightful posts, I had to balance it out with straight-up reality TV trash commentary. I would have enjoyed the show a lot more without Nicole & Paul in the game. Seriously, if they were the last two players eliminated...I'd crap my pants :p
gstelmack
07-23-2008, 08:40 AM
Anyone notice they had a cursor on screen for the question about "what order did the Mole get to see their family" and it moved towards "Third"? That was Mark, right?
I get all the push for Craig, but I still think it's Mark. Craig has not really been successful at keeping money out, has he? As for the other time (aside from the bicycle) that Mark kept money out, remember he did not finish the "naked" challenge because he essentially opted out, and he initiated the revolution in the "parade" challenge where they all decided not to compete (and got it pinned on Craig since he picked ridiculous transport means for everyone). As Clay said, he has subtly kept more money out than anyone else. I think Clay was using Mark but working with Nicole, the two of them went for Craig, tied, and Clay went.
Still think it's Mark. Still think odds are 2/3 I'm going to turn out wrong. Oh well.
Also, significance of the "23", room number when they zeroed in on Nicole and her mom?
Season 2 is on youtube now (complete). Fascinating to watch. I made a playlist for all of the episodes to make it easy to watch. Here it is:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6F9E06D4071D367A)
Here is an embedded player, not sure how that works but here:
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This seems like a fairly significant clue as to who the mole is. If you don't want to see clues that people have found in the episodes themselves, don't click this spoiler!
It seems that the scenery was digitally altered during one scene of an interview with Clay to show 4 "i" statuettes instead of the 2 that were present in every other scene. This might be a reference to Craig having glasses (four eyes). Here is a collection of pictures and an animated gif to show what I mean.
qoheleth52/clue - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s342.photobucket.com/albums/o423/qoheleth52/clue/)
Well, now there are three. I thought Craig blinked a few too many times when Jon made him say he wasn't the mole at the end. :)
Thomkal
07-28-2008, 10:06 PM
Of course the person to go was the only one I was certain was not the Mole.
kingnebwsu
07-28-2008, 10:15 PM
My current list:
Craig
(Paul)
Nicole
Mark
Seriously, if they (Paul & Nicole) were the last two players eliminated...I'd crap my pants :p
Finally! The last person on my list wasn't eliminated! But sadly, it wasn't the first. I was ready to be totally shocked if Craig was eliminated. Craig is still definitely far & away my #1 suspect. I seriously hope that I'm wrong. If I'm wrong about this, then I will be very very happy with how the game turned out.
As the quiz results were revealed tonight, I was really into the show. Probably the most intent I've been since it started. Can't wait til next week's finale, when it's confirmed that Craig is the mole ;)
I'll keep the same order for next week:
Craig
Nicole
Mark
I cannot emphasize the huge gap between Craig & the other players. Nicole & Mark are almost a 2a and 2b as far as who I think is the Mole.
Racer
07-28-2008, 10:20 PM
I think the following person is going to win based on editing (have thought so since the episode that followed the extra clips show)
Mark. He has been portrayed in a mixed sort of way that the winner of Survivor would. Nicole and Paul (who has now been eliminated) have been portrayed to negatively to be the winner and I've thought Craig has been the mole since the 2nd or 3rd episode. We never got to see Clay and Kristen (now both eliminated) enough for them to be the winners. Alex is the only other person that I have thought has had a shot to win for awhile.
Racer
07-28-2008, 10:21 PM
Finally! The last person on my list wasn't eliminated! But sadly, it wasn't the first. I was ready to be totally shocked if Craig was eliminated. Craig is still definitely far & away my #1 suspect. I seriously hope that I'm wrong. If I'm wrong about this, then I will be very very happy with how the game turned out.
As the quiz results were revealed tonight, I was really into the show. Probably the most intent I've been since it started. Can't wait til next week's finale, when it's confirmed that Craig is the mole ;)
I'll keep the same order for next week:
Craig
Nicole
Mark
I cannot emphasize the huge gap between Craig & the other players. Nicole & Mark are almost a 2a and 2b as far as who I think is the Mole.
Yeah I agree. I really, really hope Craig is not the mole. It would be a nice surprise since I've thought he has been the mole for awhile.
kingnebwsu
07-28-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm changing my order slightly. The more I go back and watch certain parts of episodes, the more I suspect Mark. I'm gonna go:
Craig
Mark
Nicole
Craig is still far & away my #1...but I'm starting to have the slightest bit of doubt. Something I haven't had in 4-6 weeks of the show.
For the hardcore nerds out there, I went back and watched the episode. At the 28:30, they really edit a scene and it's weird. It felt weird on the first watch, but even stranger on the second time through. The scene:
Craig & Mark are talking. They are laughing & joking about something. They zoom in on Mark's hand on a lamp, and it seriously sounds like they dubbed in Mark saying, "But what if you're the Mole?" and Craig responding with "Then you're all screwed" and they both laugh. For both of their phrases, the camera is not on either of their faces and it just feels weird. Like something you'd make for a high-school A/V class. Definitely felt edited the whole way. I'm fairly certain that neither of them said it in that particular sitting.
I was trying to think back if Craig or Mark had said that same phrase previously in the show, but I cannot remember.
Don't know if that means anything, but we'll see. I'm still voting for Craig hardcore as #1. If it's Mark or Nicole, then I will be very happy with their shenanigans :)
kingnebwsu
07-28-2008, 11:35 PM
Dola. It's going to be a real bummer that this is most likely the show's final season. The whole "whodunit?" aspect of the show has saved my summer from TV hell. None of my favorite first-run episodes and no good sports make KingNebWSU something something...
Maple Leafs
07-29-2008, 08:50 AM
I've only seen the recap episode, but I'm pretty sure Mark is the mole.
That is all.
TazFTW
08-05-2008, 03:28 AM
The only reason why I didn't think Craig was the mole was that the mole would have stopped walking up that mountain. Now Craig is shown running through a city and is having no problems doing it.
jonesz
08-05-2008, 07:10 AM
I'm sticking with my original guess that Craig is the Mole based on 4 reasons:
- The episode where he found the laundry mat and recovered everyone's clothes was just too coincidental.
- The episode where he "randomly" said the magic word "elimination" and got control of a task that was all about picking who would do what, thus blowing up the mission before it even got started.
- Being overweight and out of shape is the perfect cover for the Mole. Yes, he did "run" through the streets in the last episode.
- He knew exactly where the bridge was in the last episode and set the whole thing up by apparently talking about it for the last few weeks? Why would you talk about a bridge of all things in normal conversation. And then he didn't reach it first, which I thought made sense for the Mole. It would be too obvious and controlling for them to set it up for the Mole to instantly and easily withhold $75K from the game.
That point eliminated Mark for me, even though he would be my second choice. Nicole is just too obvious in her ways.
kingnebwsu
08-11-2008, 09:42 PM
I would love for Paul & Nicole to be the only other two people eliminated from the game, and neither of them would get a cent. Paul is a cleche NY jerkoff and Nicole is a snooty snobbish arrogant princess-like bitch. Too mean?
I guess after MJ4H's insightful posts, I had to balance it out with straight-up reality TV trash commentary. I would have enjoyed the show a lot more without Nicole & Paul in the game. Seriously, if they were the last two players eliminated...I'd crap my pants :p
Great ending tonight. I can't believe how many of us had this pegged from so early on and how far off so many of the players were. It's seriously blowing my mind. I thought they all had it pegged by the halfway point. But now we're seeing that this wasn't the case.
Did a lot of our suspicions have to do with the editing or with the confessional things?
Hopefully this show gets renewed for at least one more season. But my magic 8-ball says "outlook not so good."
Racer
08-11-2008, 09:52 PM
Great ending tonight. I can't believe how many of us had this pegged from so early on and how far off so many of the players were. It's seriously blowing my mind. I thought they all had it pegged by the halfway point. But now we're seeing that this wasn't the case.
Did a lot of our suspicions have to do with the editing or with the confessional things?
Hopefully this show gets renewed for at least one more season. But my magic 8-ball says "outlook not so good."
I can say the reason why I pegged him so early was largely due to editing and only slightly due to his behavior.
Racer
08-11-2008, 10:01 PM
I also thought you could tell from editing that Mark was going to win this thing although I don't think I pegged him until the episode immediately following the recap show (or maybe even the episode after that).
Pumpy Tudors
08-11-2008, 10:20 PM
You could see up Victoria's skirt in the last episode there. They actually put a blur there at one point, and then they moved the camera so Paul was blocking the shot.
Yep, that's why I watch television, I guess.
Thomkal
08-12-2008, 06:55 AM
well glad Mark won over Nicole, even if I thought it was 50/50 between he and Craig that they were the Mole. I hung on to Mark's early mishaps/sabotage-not being on the soccer challenge when he was a soccer coach, problems with the bicycle, not participating in the clothes challenge, etc. About halfway through the game though he was really playing to win.
Can't believe so many of them didn't believe Craig was the Mole or even to accept the fact that he could be because he was such a nice funny guy. Felt bad for Paul not making the finals after being the only one to peg Craig from the beginning.
That was pretty wild that Mark nearly got eliminated a few times and that four of them picked Victoria the night she got eliminated. The only thing she did was talk to Craig in the luge challenge-and none of them thought it was a problem when Craig did the same with her.
Some of those "clues" were pretty darn ridiculous-I mean a clue written in the fingerprint of the Mole? I missed the "four-eyes" clue, so good catch there.
Now to hope there's going to be a new season next summer. There only so many series from other countries I can watch :)
Australian season 5 sucks btw
gstelmack
08-14-2008, 10:48 AM
Congrats to all who pegged Craig, I was convinced it was Mark until he won (although the 4-I's thing had me thinking). Glad Mark won, and yes I find it funny that he escaped quizzes all along and didn't peg Craig until the final quiz.
It was definitely a pretty brutal way for Paul to lose, being the only one to peg Craig until very late and then losing to Nicole by 4 seconds on a quiz. I was pleased to see Paul tell Mark he deserved to win. He was pretty clearly frustrated by how things were shown to have gone, but it was nice to see him come out on the positive side of sportsmanship at the end.
It's also interesting to me that I thought I would probably like Nicole and not like Paul after the reunion show because the last few episodes were tending that way, but I actually came out leaning the other way for both of them. They were both playing their game strategy during the game and it came off as annoying, but Paul seemed to be the one that was an actual normal person after you strip that off. Nicole still seems to be pretty batshi- insane.
gstelmack
08-14-2008, 11:30 AM
I got tired of Nicole saying things like "I hate being around all these poisonous people" when her whole strategy was to tick people off. And being annoyed at the other players calling her "insane" when another key part of her strategy was to make people think she was insane.
The hypocrites on these reality shows drive me nuts. At least Paul was a straight shooter about what he was doing and how people were reacting to him the whole time.
I think that sums it up for me pretty well.
thealmighty
08-14-2008, 04:11 PM
We know what Mark won but how much is the mole paid? Also, do the other contestants get paid for being there like on Big Brother?
This made me smile. From an interview with Nicole after the finale:
Reality TV World: Overall, what was your favorite memory from you're The Mole experience?
Nicole: Actually "Tick Tock Boom." That was the most fun. It was a mission that took -- even though of course I had to do my mole thing -- it took intelligence, it took skill, it was exciting. We won, thanks to Craig.
They never put this on the show, but when we were standing there I whispered to Craig, "All right Craig, you've got to help us out here." Of course he didn't acknowledge because he's not supposed to. Then Craig helped.
Exclusive: Nicole Williams talks about her 'The Mole' experience - Reality TV World - News, information, episode summaries, message boards, chat and games for unscripted television programs (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-nicole-williams-talks-about-her-the-mole-experience-7645.php)
We know what Mark won but how much is the mole paid? Also, do the other contestants get paid for being there like on Big Brother?
No one really knows what the mole is paid. Clay Newbill, the producer I think, responded this way when asked:
Reality TV World: What did you receive for serving as the mole?
Craig: I think I'll have to defer to Clay on that question.
Clay: Yeah, the mole is actually hired by us -- the producers. So he was paid. We can't talk about how much money he was paid, but I can say that it wasn't anywhere near what Mark ended up winning.
Exclusive: 'The Mole' exposed, Craig Slike and executive producer dish - Reality TV World - News, information, episode summaries, message boards, chat and games for unscripted television programs (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-the-mole-exposed-craig-slike-and-executive-producer-dish-7651.php)
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