The OFFICIAL 2008-09 NHL Offseason Thread

[DeToxRox]

Apparently Detroit and Chicago will play outdoors at Wrigley Field. If so I wiwll no doubt be there.

[DeToxRox]

Dola. Story today said Sundin will go to Montreal or Detroit. No shot on Detroit with Zs contract up soon unless he takes a huge paycut to play with the Swedes.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Apparently Detroit and Chicago will play outdoors at Wrigley Field. If so I wiwll no doubt be there.

Why not at Soldier Field? Football scheduling conflict?

[Suburban Rhythm]

If Sundin is gone, I don't see how Toronto isn't all over Hossa this summer.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Why not at Soldier Field? Football scheduling conflict?

Not sure if there is, but that would be brutally, brutally cold with the wind whipping in right off Lake Michigan.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Dola. Story today said Sundin will go to Montreal or Detroit. No shot on Detroit with Zs contract up soon unless he takes a huge paycut to play with the Swedes.

I agree. I don't think the Wings will be in any sort of position to land a big name free agent. Zetterberg is due for a big raise, Fillpula will see some more cash, and they will also try to sign Stuart to keep him around. I really don't see too much in the way of roster turnover this year.

[Chief Rum]

Pretty messed up that most of the posts in this thread so far are made by fans of one of the two teams who have not entered the offseason yet. ;)

[Chief Rum]

BTW, if the rest of the NHL knows what's good for it, it will not allow Kyle Beach to fall to the Ducks. If you don't know him, go read up on him. I'm not sure I have ever heard of a player being more exactly Burke's type of player. Heck, it's like Bertuzzi comes again. The kid has even had off the ice issues.

[DeToxRox]

BTW, if the rest of the NHL knows what's good for it, it will not allow Kyle Beach to fall to the Ducks. If you don't know him, go read up on him. I'm not sure I have ever heard of a player being more exactly Burke's type of player. Heck, it's like Bertuzzi comes again. The kid has even had off the ice issues.

Duh don't you read the Toronto papers, Burke is your GM in name only ;)

[DeToxRox]

BTW, if the rest of the NHL knows what's good for it, it will not allow Kyle Beach to fall to the Ducks. If you don't know him, go read up on him. I'm not sure I have ever heard of a player being more exactly Burke's type of player. Heck, it's like Bertuzzi comes again. The kid has even had off the ice issues.

Dola .. if the rest of the NHL knows what's good for them they won't let Detroit draft a European player after the third round.

[Galaxy]

How good is this year's draft pool?

[Chief Rum]

How good is this year's draft pool?

Supposedly pretty good. But it's very defensive heavy. Stamkos is the obvious #1 (the top forward), and then something like 5-6 defensmen are next by most regards. Beach might be the second best forward.

[DeToxRox]

How good is this year's draft pool?

Decent. It's Steve Stamkos and everyone else though.

[Chief Rum]

Dola .. if the rest of the NHL knows what's good for them they won't let Detroit draft a European player after the third round.

Let Burke take Beach, and you can have all the fourth round Italian players you want.

[Chief Rum]

Duh don't you read the Toronto papers, Burke is your GM in name only ;)

Actually, he's apparently already signed the contract. But the Leafs have allowed him to stay in Anaheim this year, and act like he's making decisions for the Ducks.

BTW, in case anyone is wondering what is going on in Anaheim with the retirement parade, unlike last year, Burke has set a deadline for Teemu and Niedermayer and expects to know their plans for next year by draft day.

[Galaxy]

Supposedly pretty good. But it's very defensive heavy. Stamkos is the obvious #1 (the top forward), and then something like 5-6 defensmen are next by most regards. Beach might be the second best forward.

Hopefully the Sabres can grab some quality players with the 13th and 26th (via San Jose) selections.

I wish the draft lottery was a little more like the NBA (not as much).

[Maple Leafs]

TSN is reporting that the Leafs have made an offer to a new coach, but haven't said who it is. In other news, Ron Wilson is getting on a plane for Toronto but won't confirm why he's going.

Seems odd to hire a coach before you have a GM. Conspiracy theorists (i.e. Gary Bettman) may point out that Wilson has some history with Brian Burke.

[Chubby]

Hopefully the Sabres can grab some quality players with the 13th and 26th (via San Jose) selections.

I wish the draft lottery was a little more like the NBA (not as much).

Sabres need to step up this offseason IMO.

They need to get some exp. We can't have rookies and 24 year olds every season.

[duff88]

Draft is coming soon, can't wait as this is one of the best hockey moment in the year. Here's my top 40 for anyone who could be interested:

1. Steven Stamkos - C - CAN
2. Nikita Filatov - LW - RUS
3. Drew Doughty - RD - CAN
4. Zach Bogosian - RD - USA
5. Luke Schenn - RD - CAN
6. Mikkel Boedker - RW - DEN
7. Alex Pietrangelo - RD - CAN
8. Colin Wilson - C - USA
9. Cody Hodgson - C - CAN
10. John Carlson - RD - USA
11. Zach Boychuk - C - CAN
12. Aaron Ness - LD - USA
13. Corey Trivino - C - CAN
14. Mattias Tedenby - LW - SWE
15. Jake Gardiner - LD - USA
16. Michael Del Zotto - LD - CAN
17. Jordan Eberle - C - CAN
18. Anton Gustafsson - C - SWE
19. Josh Bailey - C - CAN
20. Colby Robak - LD - CAN
21. Tyler Cuma - LD - CAN
22. James Livingston - RW - CAN
23. Nicolas Deschamps - LW - CAN
24. Jacob Markström - G - SWE
25. Colten Teubert - RD - CAN
26. Joe Colbourne - C - CAN
27. Tyler Myers - RD - CAN
28. Mitch Wahl - C - USA
29. Shawn Lalonde - RD - CAN
30. Chet Pickard - G - CAN
31. Justin Jokinen - RW - USA
32. Kyle Beach - C - CAN
33. Maxime Sauvé - C - CAN
34. Luca Sbisa - LD - SWI
35. James Wright - C - CAN
36. Zac Dalpe - C - CAN
37. Harri Sateri - G - FIN
38. Jamie Arniel - C - CAN
39. Cody Goloubef - RD - CAN
40. Thomas McCollum - G - USA

H.M. - Luke Adam, Emil Bejmo, Brandon Burlon, Matt Calvert, Tyler Ennis, Evgeny Grachev, Derek Grant, Erik Karlsson, Danny Kristo, Daultan Leveille, Greg Nemisz, Jyri Niemi, Eric O'Dell, Kirill Petrov, Mikhail Stefanovich, Taylor Stefishen, Michael Stone, Viktor Tikhonov, David Toews, David Warsofsky, Patrick Wiercioch

This isn't a mock draft. Those players are rated in my order of preference, and I know this isn't the way things are going to go on draft day. For instance, you can expect Joe Colbourne, Tyler Myers and Kyle Beach to be drafted much higher than I ranked them.

[DeToxRox]

Draft is coming soon, can't wait as this is one of the best hockey moment in the year. Here's my top 40 for anyone who could be interested:

1. Steven Stamkos - C - CAN
2. Nikita Filatov - LW - RUS
3. Drew Doughty - RD - CAN
4. Zach Bogosian - RD - USA
5. Luke Schenn - RD - CAN
6. Mikkel Boedker - RW - DEN
7. Alex Pietrangelo - RD - CAN
8. Colin Wilson - C - USA
9. Cody Hodgson - C - CAN
10. John Carlson - RD - USA
11. Zach Boychuk - C - CAN
12. Aaron Ness - LD - USA
13. Corey Trivino - C - CAN
14. Mattias Tedenby - LW - SWE
15. Jake Gardiner - LD - USA
16. Michael Del Zotto - LD - CAN
17. Jordan Eberle - C - CAN
18. Anton Gustafsson - C - SWE
19. Josh Bailey - C - CAN
20. Colby Robak - LD - CAN
21. Tyler Cuma - LD - CAN
22. James Livingston - RW - CAN
23. Nicolas Deschamps - LW - CAN
24. Jacob Markström - G - SWE
25. Colten Teubert - RD - CAN
26. Joe Colbourne - C - CAN
27. Tyler Myers - RD - CAN
28. Mitch Wahl - C - USA
29. Shawn Lalonde - RD - CAN
30. Chet Pickard - G - CAN
31. Justin Jokinen - RW - USA
32. Kyle Beach - C - CAN
33. Maxime Sauvé - C - CAN
34. Luca Sbisa - LD - SWI
35. James Wright - C - CAN
36. Zac Dalpe - C - CAN
37. Harri Sateri - G - FIN
38. Jamie Arniel - C - CAN
39. Cody Goloubef - RD - CAN
40. Thomas McCollum - G - USA

H.M. - Luke Adam, Emil Bejmo, Brandon Burlon, Matt Calvert, Tyler Ennis, Evgeny Grachev, Derek Grant, Erik Karlsson, Danny Kristo, Daultan Leveille, Greg Nemisz, Jyri Niemi, Eric O'Dell, Kirill Petrov, Mikhail Stefanovich, Taylor Stefishen, Michael Stone, Viktor Tikhonov, David Toews, David Warsofsky, Patrick Wiercioch

This isn't a mock draft. Those players are rated in my order of preference, and I know this isn't the way things are going to go on draft day. For instance, you can expect Joe Colbourne, Tyler Myers and Kyle Beach to be drafted much higher than I ranked them.

Duff, you're my hero. I love your draft stuff. How far do you see Filatov falling because of the problem with Russia?

[DeToxRox]

Dola, what I read on Gustafson intrigues me, but there is probably no chance he falls down to Detroit is there?

[duff88]

Duff, you're my hero. I love your draft stuff. How far do you see Filatov falling because of the problem with Russia?

I usually do detailed stuff with reports, but I haven't had as much time this year to compile everything I have in a presentable format. If anyone has a question though, I'll answer.

I don't see Filatov falling very far. He has made his interest in coming over to North America as soon as next year clear, he already speaks english fluently and has said he will play for any team that drafts him. If they keep their pick, you can expect LA, ATL and STL to select defensemen, which leaves the Islanders as a likely destination for Filatov. Otherwise, I can't see him fall out of the top ten.

Kirill Petrov though, who is another Russian who plays a more power-oriented game and who is considered by most a would-be top-15 talent, has apparently been awful in interviews at the combine and he has a long-term contract in the new russian KHL. This guy's draft day fall should be interesting to watch.

As far as Gustafsson is concerned, I have a hard time seeing him fall all the way to the Wings. He doesn't have huge potential, but he is so good in every aspect of the game that some team oughta pick him in the top 25.

[DeToxRox]

I usually do detailed stuff with reports, but I haven't had as much time this year to compile everything I have in a presentable format. If anyone has a question though, I'll answer.

I don't see Filatov falling very far. He has made his interest in coming over to North America as soon as next year clear, he already speaks english fluently and has said he will play for any team that drafts him. If they keep their pick, you can expect LA, ATL and STL to select defensemen, which leaves the Islanders as a likely destination for Filatov. Otherwise, I can't see him fall out of the top ten.

Kirill Petrov though, who is another Russian who plays a more power-oriented game and who is considered by most a would-be top-15 talent, has apparently been awful in interviews at the combine and he has a long-term contract in the new russian KHL. This guy's draft day fall should be interesting to watch.

As far as Gustafsson is concerned, I have a hard time seeing him fall all the way to the Wings. He doesn't have huge potential, but he is so good in every aspect of the game that some team oughta pick him in the top 25.

Appreciate it. I was just curious Filatov as I've seen some mocks having him fall near 10 which shocked me but I give you the nod as your stuff is always incredible thorough.

[Galaxy]

Sabres need to step up this offseason IMO.

They need to get some exp. We can't have rookies and 24 year olds every season.

Kalinin (not sure if I spelled that right) is gone. I just wish they would spend to the NHL cap. I like the moves so far. But with Miller and Pominville the top goals, I just don't see them shopping. This team does have the talent, they just need focus and passion. I think a quality veteran would bring that.

Did they sign Peters to a two-year contract?

[Galaxy]

When is the draft? Is it on TV?

[Dr. Sak]

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Playoffs/Pittsburgh/2008/06/05/5779281-sun.html

Tough task ahead for Pens
GM must deal with coach issue, sign key players in off-season
By STEVE SIMMONS -- Sun Media



PITTSBURGH -- Sidney Crosby's first trip to the Stanley Cup final is not expected to be his last.

But the world is about to get very complicated for Ray Shero, general manager, of the Pittsburgh Penguins, who has a bevy of internal issues he must deal with after the Stanley Cup is presented.

For one thing, there is a brewing problem between coach Michel Therrien and some of his players -- a number of them despise playing for him.

No one will choose the Stanley Cup final as a forum to call out their coach but there are far too many whispers out there that too many players can't stand working for -- or with-- Therrien.

If that isn't an issue to be dealt with immediately, it is certainly something that will grow with time. Brooks Orpik, the free agent defenceman who will be coveted by many teams after July 1, has told people he will not re-sign in Pittsburgh if Therrien is the coach. Jordan Staal, the terrific young player who lives in the shadow of Crosby and Evgeni Malkin -- but is poised to bust out as one of the most complete centres in hockey -- is another Therrien complainer.

If there are more, Shero may have a difficult decision to make. Add to that the belief that part-owner Mario Lemieux hasn't been impressed with Therrien's work in the playoffs and that's another problem for Shero.

As if he needed more issues: Almost half his roster is unsigned for next season. He paid heavily to bring in Marian Hossa at the trade deadline. The trade has paid off -- at least in the short term. Hossa has dispelled any beliefs that he isn't a playoff performer.

But Hossa is a free agent, and it's hard to imagine Pittsburgh has the money to sign him when it has to find a way to sign Evgeny Malkin and Staal (after next season) and goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury, a restricted free agent. With Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury and defencemen Sergei Gonchar and Ryan Whitney potentially signed for the long-term, it doesn't give Shero much room for salary manipulation in the future.

Hossa and Ryan Malone, possibly the best wingers on the Pens, are both free agents come July 1. Orpik, one half of the No. 1 defence pairing, is also free as are many of the character players such as Gary Roberts, Pasqual Dupuis, Jarkko Ruutu, Adam Hall and Georges Laraque.

In addition, the Pens have Darryl Sydor signed for next season at $2.5 million US, a contract they may buy out for the part-time defenceman.

Which means what for Shero, who won't discuss many of these issues publicly? He needs to find a way to make Malkin and Staal happy, find a way to settle his coaching situation and find a way to fill out almost half his roster while losing some of his most significant leaders and role players along the way.

The challenge is immense.

[Dr. Sak]

When is the draft? Is it on TV?

I think the NHL Network is covering it.

[Suburban Rhythm]

If I had to put money on it two weeks ago, there was no way Hossa was going to be in Pittsburgh after this season.

Now I am not so sure.

Shero doesn't want to lose his two top wingers-- Hossa and Malone. If he think Malone is going to get near $5M a year, I think he'd rather keep Hossa at $8M than Malone at $5M.

Malone is a nice player, and being a Pittsburgh kid, the fans feed into that. Still, this was far and away his best season, and he just broke 50 points. He was a regular part of the PK rotation, but Hossa can fill that role as well. The one place he'd be greatly missed is in front of the net on the PP. We witnessed when Therrien chose to us Crosby-Malkin-Hossa on one of the power plays-- there was no one within 15 feet of the crease.

Excluding FAs, lineup now-

XXXXX - Crosby - XXXXX
XXXXX - Malkin - Sykora
XXXXX - Staal - Kennedy
XXXXX - Talbot - XXXXX

XXXXX - Gonchar
Whitney - Scuderi
Letang - Gill
Sydor (I refuse to list him in the top 6!)

Fleury
XXXXX

Some of those spots will be returning guys-- I can see Adam Hall back. RH shot, can play about anywhere in the bottom 6, kills penalties, and gives them flexibility to move Talbot around.

Ryan Stone is probably ready to move up from Wilkes-Barre into the 4th line LW role. He'll drop the gloves when needed, but is not a heavyweight.

Dupuis started out hot, and declined steadily through the playoffs. I'd bring him back on a 1 year deal, slight raise, to play on the 3rd line.

Orpik is probably gone after the playoff run he had. Mark Eaton could possibly be back after getting killed by injuries the past 2 seasons.

The guy absolutely ready to make the jump from the AHL is Alex Goligoski. Unfortunately for him, he's about 5'10" 180 lbs and on a roster that already has Gonchar, Whitney, Letang. If they absolutely think he's ready, I could see Whitney getting moved to make room for Goligoski as well as clear about $3M of cap space to look at Oprik or another FA defenseman.

Conklin may be back, otherwise they stick with Sabourin. This is Fleury's job now after the run he had.

[Dr. Sak]

A guy I work with is a good friend of Conklin's. Ty stayed with him during training camp and he would get Ty's playoff tickets. He told me last week that he expects Conklin to stay in Pittsburgh.

Oh and MAF is a RFA right?

[Suburban Rhythm]

A guy I work with is a good friend of Conklin's. Ty stayed with him during training camp and he would get Ty's playoff tickets. He told me last week that he expects Conklin to stay in Pittsburgh.

Oh and MAF is a RFA right?

Yep he's restricted. He'll be 24 during the season next year, which will be his 6th. So he could look for a 2 year deal, which at the end of that one he'd be a UFA.

More realistically, I see the Pens offering him like 4 years at about $4M.

[Dr. Sak]

Few little tid bits. Wade Redden is done in Ottawa. The Sens wanted him to take a 50% pay cut and he said no.

Flyers and Oilers make another trade.

The Philadelphia Flyers acquired 5'11", 200-pound defenseman Danny Syvret from the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for forward Ryan Potulny, according to Flyers General Manager Paul Holmgren.

I know there is an Oilers fan here (johnnyshaka?), how is Syvret?

[Draft Dodger]

When is the draft? Is it on TV?

Round one is Friday night, June 20th and will be on Vs.
the rest of the draft is the next day and will be on the NHL Network

[Draft Dodger]

Glen Wesley retired

[Maple Leafs]

Glen Wesley retired
Weird, it looks like the new board software is spitting up posts from five years ago.

[Draft Dodger]

Weird, it looks like the new board software is spitting up posts from five years ago.

yeah. I was shocked to find that not only was he still playing, but he played in 78 games.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Draft is coming soon, can't wait as this is one of the best hockey moment in the year. Here's my top 40 for anyone who could be interested:

1. Steven Stamkos - C - CAN
2. Nikita Filatov - LW - RUS
3. Drew Doughty - RD - CAN
4. Zach Bogosian - RD - USA
5. Luke Schenn - RD - CAN
6. Mikkel Boedker - RW - DEN
7. Alex Pietrangelo - RD - CAN
8. Colin Wilson - C - USA
9. Cody Hodgson - C - CAN
10. John Carlson - RD - USA
11. Zach Boychuk - C - CAN
12. Aaron Ness - LD - USA
13. Corey Trivino - C - CAN
14. Mattias Tedenby - LW - SWE
15. Jake Gardiner - LD - USA
16. Michael Del Zotto - LD - CAN
17. Jordan Eberle - C - CAN
18. Anton Gustafsson - C - SWE
19. Josh Bailey - C - CAN
20. Colby Robak - LD - CAN
21. Tyler Cuma - LD - CAN
22. James Livingston - RW - CAN
23. Nicolas Deschamps - LW - CAN
24. Jacob Markström - G - SWE
25. Colten Teubert - RD - CAN
26. Joe Colbourne - C - CAN
27. Tyler Myers - RD - CAN
28. Mitch Wahl - C - USA
29. Shawn Lalonde - RD - CAN
30. Chet Pickard - G - CAN
31. Justin Jokinen - RW - USA
32. Kyle Beach - C - CAN
33. Maxime Sauvé - C - CAN
34. Luca Sbisa - LD - SWI
35. James Wright - C - CAN
36. Zac Dalpe - C - CAN
37. Harri Sateri - G - FIN
38. Jamie Arniel - C - CAN
39. Cody Goloubef - RD - CAN
40. Thomas McCollum - G - USA

H.M. - Luke Adam, Emil Bejmo, Brandon Burlon, Matt Calvert, Tyler Ennis, Evgeny Grachev, Derek Grant, Erik Karlsson, Danny Kristo, Daultan Leveille, Greg Nemisz, Jyri Niemi, Eric O'Dell, Kirill Petrov, Mikhail Stefanovich, Taylor Stefishen, Michael Stone, Viktor Tikhonov, David Toews, David Warsofsky, Patrick Wiercioch

This isn't a mock draft. Those players are rated in my order of preference, and I know this isn't the way things are going to go on draft day. For instance, you can expect Joe Colbourne, Tyler Myers and Kyle Beach to be drafted much higher than I ranked them.

duff

3 players I am curious about.

Del Zotto-- is he a product of playing with Tavares? I thought he was ranked, universally, much higher coming into the year.

Tedenby - really intrigued by hm...too bad Pittsburgh has no picks until the 4th round. He seems like (dare I say it!) a Wings type player, small size, but big on skill.

Beach - is he the next Bertuzzi? Or the next Chris Gratton? Or the next Sean Avery??

[samifan24]

Glen Wesley retired

The last former Hartford Whaler in Carolina. Yes, this is a sad day indeed.

[Wolfpack]

Yep. Carolina announced his jersey's retiring with him as well, joining Francis. He'll be moving to the front office, taking over player development for defensemen.

Hedican also looks to be done, though not retired. Ever since his wife went west for "Dancing with the Stars" they've been inching towards moving to California and it looks like it's pretty much a done deal. Hedican doesn't have a team lined up and Carolina has said there's a small chance he could be back, but right now, they're planning on not having him back. As a result, Carolina's looking around for defensemen either through trade or free agency, though JR seems to be leaning trade initially and letting the market get set before committing to any free agent possibilities.

Otherwise, not a whole lot so far for Carolina. They signed Samsonov way back when just after the playoffs started, did some minor league deals, and signed Eaves to a four-year deal at a bit over a million per a few days ago. They also are looking to bump their minor league goalie Michael Leighton, who was superb this year in Albany, to full-time backup duty behind Ward next year.

[duff88]

duff

3 players I am curious about.

Del Zotto-- is he a product of playing with Tavares? I thought he was ranked, universally, much higher coming into the year.

Tedenby - really intrigued by hm...too bad Pittsburgh has no picks until the 4th round. He seems like (dare I say it!) a Wings type player, small size, but big on skill.

Beach - is he the next Bertuzzi? Or the next Chris Gratton? Or the next Sean Avery??

Del Zotto is not a product of playing with Tavares, he's simply an excellent offensive defenseman. His stats may be slightly inflated by playing on the best offensive team in the OHL, but you have to give credit where credit is due, and Del Zotto deserves it. He quarterbacks the powerplay so well, he's a great passer and he shows a great ability to ship it in offensively. He can also be surprisingly physical at times, but he will certainly need to work on his defensive game. He is somewhat of a love/hate player, I'm sure some teams don't have him rated in their top 15 Ds.

The thing to love about Tedenby is that he is an amazing skater, on par or maybe even btter than the best among the top prosects, may that be Stamkos, Boedker, Ness or Gardiner. He's small, but he has the ability to manoeuver at top speed and he never seems to stop working; he goes into traffic more than some of the bigger guys. He has a lot of areas to work on though, and he is probably a long way from the NHL.

I don't know what to make out of Beach. But I don't like the risk he presents; all the talk about his attitude, his concussions, his hernia. He was awful at the end of the year, and I was already not a big fan of his. I think he has the tools to make it; he is huge, strong on the puck, has a nose for the net and he gets under people's skin. His skating and hockey sense are questionnable though. All in all, I have him on my list because at some point you have to take on the asset he represents, but he's not a player I would be ecstatic to pick. That said, a team should take a chance on him in the top 15.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Is thre anyone, outside of Stamkos, who will make the jump stright to the NHL?

[scooter]

I don't know what to make out of Beach. But I don't like the risk he presents; all the talk about his attitude, his concussions, his hernia. He was awful at the end of the year, and I was already not a big fan of his. I think he has the tools to make it; he is huge, strong on the puck, has a nose for the net and he gets under people's skin. His skating and hockey sense are questionnable though. All in all, I have him on my list because at some point you have to take on the asset he represents, but he's not a player I would be ecstatic to pick. That said, a team should take a chance on him in the top 15.

I'm a Everett Silvertips fan and I don't know what to make of Beach myself. The locals are attributing the end of season dropoff to a sports hernia he had repaired just prior to the draft combine (that's the reason he was unable to participate in the workouts but still able to do interviews). Every report I read talks about his "off-ice issues" but I haven't actually heard anyone explain what those are. Until I actually hear some stories from people that witnessed this stuff, I'm going to continue to try to diffuse those rumors as much as possible.

The thing that concerns me about him as a player though is his history of concussions. It is a byproduct of the way he plays - a bit reckless at times. He is an intense competitor and a very physical player that at times can cross the line. Earlier in his career here, he would too easily get caught up in some personal battle during the game and repeatedly take stupid penalties trying to exact some revenge. When he was on the ice, he was extremely effective, but with the penalties, a lot of times, he was sitting. The Everett fans have been hoping that as he matures he will begin to understand that he's more important to his team on the ice than in the penalty box. He seems to be making some of those changes, slowly but surely. He still has a ways to go though. I think he will be a good player at the NHL level someday, but he will need to continue to mature and learn to control his aggression a bit.

[duff88]

Is thre anyone, outside of Stamkos, who will make the jump stright to the NHL?

I could see Colin Wilson, who already has quite an impressive NHL frame, make it straight to the NHL if he's interested in leaving college. Luke Schenn is already mature enough to play in the NHL too. Doughty, Bogosian and Filatov shouldn't be too far off either, but I think they could use another year of development, hopefully that is in North America for Filatov.

But there are always surprise. Few expected Sam Gagner or Patrice Bergeron to make the jump so quickly.

[Suburban Rhythm]

duff

This might be a little late in asking, but maybe you can give an opinion on Luca Caputi, who left Mississauga and is now playing in the AHL finals with Wilkes-Barre.

Seems like the Pens stole him in the 4th round last year.

What is his upside? How close to NHL ready would you think he is?

With the losses expected along the wings, can he challenge for a 3rd line spot at 20-21 years old?

[duff88]

duff

This might be a little late in asking, but maybe you can give an opinion on Luca Caputi, who left Mississauga and is now playing in the AHL finals with Wilkes-Barre.

Seems like the Pens stole him in the 4th round last year.

What is his upside? How close to NHL ready would you think he is?

With the losses expected along the wings, can he challenge for a 3rd line spot at 20-21 years old?

I have to admit I was never a huge fan of Caputi. He went slightly lower than most expected on draft day, but at that time I thought it was about the right spot for him to be taken.

It was a huge surprise to see him put up so many points this year with the Ice Dogs though. He is a big player who will go in the dirty areas, and he has a nose for the net. He's not a flashy guy who will take the puck from one end to another, his dangerous area is when he is around the net. He also has a great shot.

Maybe I'm stubborn, maybe I'm just stupid, but I have not changed my mind on him. He's big, but he's not a power forward. He's strong in juniors, but not enough to consider it an asset for the NHL right now. He still needs to learn how to effectively throw his body around; he often looks akward when trying to hit, and he rarely tries to initiate contact. His speed will be a major problem at the NHL level.

So what is his upside? I personally see him needing a year or two with Wilkes-Barre, working on different aspects of his game. From then on, his development will determine if he can make it to the NHL or not. Some think he can be a top 6, 20 goals a year forward; I'd be surprised.

[duff88]

Tried my hand at a mock draft. I love this year's top 50 depth; at times I was asking my self how the hell some players were managing to fall so low. Can't say I'm really proud of the end result, it's pretty much impossible to predict, but it was a good time waster.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6762/2008mockfc5.jpg

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hasek is likely to announce his retirement today.

Not too surprising at all.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Wow.

Who knew that the world of Canadian hockey broadcasting was so cut throat?

CBC can't reach a deal on it's theme music on Friday and on Sunday TSN scoops it up.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=240196

CTV ACQUIRES EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO 'THE HOCKEY THEME'

Toronto, ON - CTV Inc., together with Copyright Music & Visuals, today announced that CTV Inc. has acquired all rights to 'The Hockey Theme' in perpetuity, preserving the song's legacy and ensuring it will be heard on national television for years to come. 'The Hockey Theme' song will now live on CTV Inc. properties TSN, RDS and across Canada on CTV during coverage of the upcoming Vancouver 2010 Olympics as outlined below.

The deal between CTV and Copyright Music & Visuals was agreed to in principle after the CBC publicly announced last Friday at 5 p.m. ET that a deal could not be reached with the rights holders. Due diligence was completed earlier today.

The song, which was created by Vancouver's Dolores Claman in 1968, will now be used in NHL broadcasts on TSN and RDS beginning this Fall. In addition, CTV will utilize the song as part of its hockey coverage during the upcoming Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games.

"The song has a long and storied history in Canadian sports and has become ingrained in the hearts and minds of hockey fans across the country. It is an iconic tune, embraced by Canadians everywhere, and we felt it was imperative to save it. We know we will be in hockey forever, so there's no doubt this acquisition will create value for us," said Rick Brace, President, Revenue, Business Planning and Sports, CTV Inc. "It's an honour and a privilege to own such a cherished piece of Canadiana."

"I am very moved by how so many Canadians have taken the hockey theme to heart. We are so pleased the song has found a new home," said Claman. "Throughout our negotiations, CTV displayed a tremendous amount of respect for my family and the song. 'The Hockey Theme' means so much to Canadians, and we know it's in good hands with CTV."

The announcement complements TSN's new six-year multi-platform NHL deal, featuring more coverage of Canadian teams than ever before with at least one Canadian team in every game. Earlier this year, RDS extended its exclusive rights agreement with the Montreal Canadiens through the 2011-12 season.

CTV, together with TSN and RDS, boast the most powerful and prestigious sports programming lineup in the country featuring the NHL and Stanley Cup Playoffs, NFL games and the Super Bowl, every CFL game including the Grey Cup, International Hockey including the World Juniors, NBA, Blue Jays Baseball, all four golf Majors, all four tennis Grand Slam events, Season of Champions Curling, NASCAR and F1, and this month's NBA Finals and UEFA EURO® 2008.

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[Draft Dodger]

Hasek is likely to announce his retirement today.

Not too surprising at all.

right - he ALWAYS retires after winning a Cup...

[Fidatelo]

That (the Hockey Song thing) is awesome.

[Maple Leafs]

Who knew that the world of Canadian hockey broadcasting was so cut throat?
Richard Zednick thinks that's a cut throat move.

[johnnyshaka]

Richard Zednick thinks that's a cut throat move.

...and Patrick Thoresen calls it a shot in the pills.

[Maple Leafs]

Don't think this was posted... a fake response from the NHL to Tiger Woods:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080604

[Dr. Sak]

...and Patrick Thoresen calls it a shot in the pills.

That still makes me cringe.

[Honolulu_Blue]

That still makes me cringe.

The Richard Zednik thing aint no walk in the park either...

[Suburban Rhythm]

Don't think this was posted... a fake response from the NHL to Tiger Woods:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080604

I was hoping during the Finals, somebody asked Georges Laraque what he thought about Tiger Woods' comments, and Big Georges said "Who the hell is Tiger Woods?"

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Kings fire Marc Crawford.

[Pyser]

The Kings fire Marc Crawford.

hallelujah! as someone who goes to kings games semi-regularly, i dont think i could stand watching another season of that team the way they were. i mean, is that hard for a coach to install ANY kind of system? cant you at least cycle the puck??

[Dr. Sak]

Why did they wait so long to do this?

[Pyser]

the big rumor was he was going to be fired during the season...but they went on a tiny, tiny run on the night a loss wouldve sealed his fate

why they waited til after the finals to finally can him, i have absolutely no idea. they are just a dysfunctional team in all aspects...i mean, should it take a decade to find a goalie?

especially when bryz was flat out cut and ended up with a division rival anyway...

[Logan]

Any Predators fans around here?

[DeToxRox]

Any Predators fans around here?

Probably more here then in Nashville.

[Chief Rum]

hallelujah! as someone who goes to kings games semi-regularly, i dont think i could stand watching another season of that team the way they were. i mean, is that hard for a coach to install ANY kind of system? cant you at least cycle the puck??

Yup, my brother the Kings fan is almost certainly dizzy with happiness over this development (he's out of town, otherwise, I would already have heard all about it, I am sure).

He actually said a week ago he sorta hoped the Kings would can Crawford and go after Ron Wilson.

[Chief Rum]

the big rumor was he was going to be fired during the season...but they went on a tiny, tiny run on the night a loss wouldve sealed his fate

why they waited til after the finals to finally can him, i have absolutely no idea. they are just a dysfunctional team in all aspects...i mean, should it take a decade to find a goalie?

especially when bryz was flat out cut and ended up with a division rival anyway...

My brother and I were constantly debating on whether the Kings would make a move for Bryz. Still just silly to see him end up in PHX for free.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Ryan Malone's agent meets with Ray Shero-

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08163/888941-61.stm

Starting to believe more and more he's on his way out, and the Pens do their best to pay Hossa. Hossa at $8M is still a better deal, value wise, than Malone at $5M.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Wings signed Babcock to a new 3 year extension.

The Wild trade a 3 round pick to Anaheim for defensemen Marc Andre-Bergeron. I guess this makes sense. Anaheim has plenty of defense and with Kurtis Foster's status a bit up in the air after the broken leg, Minnesota is in need of a puck-moving defensemen.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Ryan Malone's agent meets with Ray Shero-

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08163/888941-61.stm

Starting to believe more and more he's on his way out, and the Pens do their best to pay Hossa. Hossa at $8M is still a better deal, value wise, than Malone at $5M.

I read somewhere that Columbus was talking with Pittsburgh about a possible Philly/Nashville type deal, with Columbus sending Pittsburgh some picks for the rights to Malone and/or Oprik.

Not sure if I like the idea of seeing either of those guys 8 times a year.

[TurnerONU22]

I read somewhere that Columbus was talking with Pittsburgh about a possible Philly/Nashville type deal, with Columbus sending Pittsburgh some picks for the rights to Malone and/or Oprik.

Not sure if I like the idea of seeing either of those guys 8 times a year.

Yeah, it was confirmed by the beat writer of the Columbus Dispatch on his blog, that the Pens and Jackets were in trade talks, for the rights of either one or two of their potential UFAs.

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/

I agree that it is Malone, for sure, and then Orpik would be the 2nd. I doubt that Hossa is one of those guys, just because I don't see him wanting to play for the Jackets, but a guy can dream, right?

Trying to view this without my rose-colored glasses on, I think you'll see Columbus make a BIG move this offseason, ala Philly from last year. They'll pick up rights to a couple of UFAs, as it appears they're doing with Pittsburgh. I still see them trading for someone on draft day, either Marleau, or a offensive D-Man (from Toronto, based off a swap of picks 6 and 7?). Then, in UFA, they'll go after the opposite of what they didn't get on draft day. If they can do all of this, and still maintain their top 3 prospects in Brassard, Voracek and Mason, I'll be excited.

I think management realizes how important this coming season is to the team, to show the fans how committed they are to winning.

[Dr. Sak]

Not sure if this is much news or not but I just spoke with my Co-Worker who is friends with Conklin, and he told him that Shero basically said that they will not be bring Ty back next year. Saborne is on a one way contract and they can't afford to keep them both.

[Draft Dodger]

probably not a bad time financially for Conklin to be on the market

[Suburban Rhythm]

Yeah, it was confirmed by the beat writer of the Columbus Dispatch on his blog, that the Pens and Jackets were in trade talks, for the rights of either one or two of their potential UFAs.

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/

I agree that it is Malone, for sure, and then Orpik would be the 2nd. I doubt that Hossa is one of those guys, just because I don't see him wanting to play for the Jackets, but a guy can dream, right?

Trying to view this without my rose-colored glasses on, I think you'll see Columbus make a BIG move this offseason, ala Philly from last year. They'll pick up rights to a couple of UFAs, as it appears they're doing with Pittsburgh. I still see them trading for someone on draft day, either Marleau, or a offensive D-Man (from Toronto, based off a swap of picks 6 and 7?). Then, in UFA, they'll go after the opposite of what they didn't get on draft day. If they can do all of this, and still maintain their top 3 prospects in Brassard, Voracek and Mason, I'll be excited.

I think management realizes how important this coming season is to the team, to show the fans how committed they are to winning.

I am all over that if I am Pittsburgh...currently, we have no picks until the 4th round.

Especially if they are certain Malone isn't coming back.

I think Columbus fans would like him, but he'll be overpaid. And won't produce like he did with Malkin. He'll break 20 goals still, and kill some penalties, stick up for teammates, and get in front of the net on the PP. Dare I say it-- poor man's Rick Nash. Problem is, do you want to give that guy $5M? Worth more like $3M.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Dola...can we interest you in Darryl Sydor too? Aren't he and Hitchcock pals?

[Dr. Sak]

I like Ryan Malone, besides when Colby played for the Pens, Malone was a guy I could root for. That being said, I think he is going to be grossly overpaid.

This was the first year he was over 50 points for the season (27G 24A). In his other year he had 43, 31, and 44 points. His rookie season, pre-Cosby, might have been his best season before this year. Suburban can correct me if I am wrong, but last year (06-07) there were a lot of rumors of the Pens trading him because they were not happy with his production.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I like Ryan Malone, besides when Colby played for the Pens, Malone was a guy I could root for. That being said, I think he is going to be grossly overpaid.

This was the first year he was over 50 points for the season (27G 24A). In his other year he had 43, 31, and 44 points. His rookie season, pre-Cosby, might have been his best season before this year. Suburban can correct me if I am wrong, but last year (06-07) there were a lot of rumors of the Pens trading him because they were not happy with his production.

Yep, he was a guy seen as expendable. He had 22 goals his rookie year (03-04) on a horrible team. Then he pretty much coasted the next two seasons. So he was seen as moveable piece to get a defensemen. Then he turned it on this year, and now, to some of the yinzer nation, we can't go on without him.

I'd give him $3M (he was at like $1.25M this year). Anything above that is overpayment for what he'll bring.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Wings' assistant coach, Todd McLellan, has just been hired as the San Jose Sharks head coach.

Good for him.

[Draft Dodger]

and GREAT for the Sharks

[DeToxRox]

I really don't see Hossa back in Pittsburgh. He won't take a discount, and I doubt he'd settle for anything but a raise. Having 24 mil tied up in three forwards (once Malkin gets reupped) just doesn't seem like sound business at all.

[DeToxRox]

Dola .. I know it's all speculation but it seems like I keep hearing Hossa pop up with the Rangers. It makes sense in a way but I have a hard time seeing that.

[Dr. Sak]

I think if Orpik and Malone are gone...the Pens will resign Hossa.

[Fidatelo]

Hossa to the Rangers would be awesome!

Lets go Rangers! :D

[Suburban Rhythm]

That $24+ for 3 players wouldn't be until 2009 season, when the cap, guessing, is near $60M. So 40% of the cap to three players is rough, but much better then what Tampa was doing a few seasons back. Plus, Tampa never got anywhere near the cap.

I think they can handle paying those three. The problem will be that next tier of players-- Staal, Fleury, Whitney.

Whitney, IMO, would be the one to move, since Kris Letang and Alex Goligoski play a similar game, for about half his price combined. And Whitney is signed to a nice deal-- $4M a year the next 5 seasons.

[Dr. Sak]

One thing is that we can't expect the cap to keep jumping $5 mil per year. It is going to have to level off sometime soon. I am all for the cap to keep rising because I know the Flyers can spend to the max each year, but it is unrealistic to think it will do so.

[bronconick]

One thing is that we can't expect the cap to keep jumping $5 mil per year. It is going to have to level off sometime soon. I am all for the cap to keep rising because I know the Flyers can spend to the max each year, but it is unrealistic to think it will do so.


True. I don't think the last couple years of cap hikes have been just increased revenue. I think the strength of the Canadian dollar and a player option to increase their percent from 55 to 57 (I think) have accounted for more of the last 10 million then the NHL suddenly finding a 20% increase in fandom.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I know, I know...every player says it...but this was nice to read-

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_572532.html?source=rss&feed=8

TORONTO -- Evgeni Malkin did not leave the NHL Awards Show at Elgin Theatre on Thursday night with either the Hart Trophy or the Lester B. Pearson Award.

But he said the prize he really covets -- a long-term contract extension with the Penguins -- is on its way.
"I'm thinking maybe five or six years," said Malkin, set to enter the final season of his three-year entry-level deal. "I'm an easy guy to deal with. I'd love to stay in Pittsburgh." The NHL's collective bargaining agreement forbids the Penguins from signing Malkin to an extension until July 1. Malkin said he expects the extension will be signed "soon" after that date.

[Dr. Sak]

I was reading a few sites looking for some rumors and here is what I found.

Malkin to sign a deal worth anywhere from 8 or 9 million per year. That is after July 1st.

Pens are going to offer Hossa a deal in the range of 6 years 38 million. They would be willing to add a 7th year but wouldn't up the price per year.

Malone would get an offer of around 5 years for 15 million dollars.

MAF is close to signing a 6 year deal worth about 27 million dollars.

If that all happens the Pens will have 22.5 million tied up in 4 players. With Staal still to be negotiated. If you added Gonchar's 5.5 mil and Whitney's 4 mil you are looking at 33 million for 6 players. 19 left to sign with only 22 mil to do it.

http://www.theinsideronpittsburghsports.com/

[Galaxy]

Can the Rangers afford a superstar player like Hossa if they keep Jagr and Avery?

[Dr. Sak]

The Rangers cap hit right now is $31 million.

[Pyser]

Can the Rangers afford a superstar player like Hossa if they keep Jagr and Avery?

sadly, probably. i think shanahan comes off the books at 4m a year. and they had 2 defenseman come off at around another 4m combined.

jagr was on a bizarre, seemingly illegal deal where they paid him 8m a year, but since washington was picking up some of the salary, he only counted like 4m against their cap. but considering his age, youd think itd be an incentive-laden deal.

[Pyser]

dola, looked it up on tsn:

RETURNING FORWARDS
Player Rating Salary
Scott Gomez 78.47 $8.0M
Brandon Dubinsky 72.82 $635K
Chris Drury 72.74 $7.1M
Ryan Callahan 66.41 $600K
Petr Prucha 60.76 $1.6M
Blair Betts 55.88 $615K
Ryan Hollweg 54.53 $525K
Colton Orr 52.95 $550K

FREE AGENT FORWARDS
Player Rating Class '07-'08 Salary
Jaromir Jagr 81.98 UFA $8.36M
Sean Avery 73.79 UFA $1.9M
Brendan Shanahan 72.54 UFA $2.5M
Martin Straka 72.23 UFA $3.3M
Nigel Dawes 69.67 RFA $475K
Fredrik Sjostrom 61.32 RFA $800K


RETURNING DEFENCEMEN
Player Rating Salary
Daniel Girardi 72.43 $1.5M
Fedor Tyutin 70.62 $2.25M
Marc Staal 65.63 $765K
Christian Backman 64.42 $3.4M

FREE AGENT DEFENCEMEN
Player Rating Class '07-'08 Salary
Michal Rozsival 74.40 UFA $2.3M
Marek Malik 67.27 UFA $2.5M
Paul Mara 66.92 UFA $3.0M
Jason Strudwick 59.81 UFA $500K

[Suburban Rhythm]

I was reading a few sites looking for some rumors and here is what I found.

Malkin to sign a deal worth anywhere from 8 or 9 million per year. That is after July 1st.

Pens are going to offer Hossa a deal in the range of 6 years 38 million. They would be willing to add a 7th year but wouldn't up the price per year.

Malone would get an offer of around 5 years for 15 million dollars.

MAF is close to signing a 6 year deal worth about 27 million dollars.

If that all happens the Pens will have 22.5 million tied up in 4 players. With Staal still to be negotiated. If you added Gonchar's 5.5 mil and Whitney's 4 mil you are looking at 33 million for 6 players. 19 left to sign with only 22 mil to do it.

http://www.theinsideronpittsburghsports.com/

Not that I believe all of that, but Malkin's new deal wouldn't cost against the cap until 2009. Next season he'll be in the last year of his entry level deal, about $3M.

[Dr. Sak]

You're right...I should've said the 09/10 season. But unless they sign a guy to a one year deal, they cant really tie much money up this offseason.

[Suburban Rhythm]

You're right...I should've said the 09/10 season. But unless they sign a guy to a one year deal, they cant really tie much money up this offseason.

But Sydor and Sykora come off the payroll in 2009 = $5M

[Logan]

Can the Rangers afford a superstar player like Hossa if they keep Jagr and Avery?

As Pyser's list shows, outside of a few guys, the Rangers are a pretty cheap and young team. We're probably gonna add at least two, and as many as 4 rookies to the squad for next year.

[Chief Rum]

The Wings signed Babcock to a new 3 year extension.

The Wild trade a 3 round pick to Anaheim for defensemen Marc Andre-Bergeron. I guess this makes sense. Anaheim has plenty of defense and with Kurtis Foster's status a bit up in the air after the broken leg, Minnesota is in need of a puck-moving defensemen.

It was also a cap move. That's another couple mil off the top.

[BishopMVP]

Draft is coming soon, can't wait as this is one of the best hockey moment in the year. Here's my top 40 for anyone who could be interested:

10. John Carlson - RD - USAThoughts on him? He was supposed to come to UMass (and be our 1st 1st-round pick) until he blew up at the combine and signed with the OHL.

[Wolfpack]

Nothing majorly significant, but the Hurricanes have extended their lease at the RBC Center (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1106520.html) another five years to 2024. Basically, the Hurricanes are getting some extra money to cope with rising costs related to the arena due to 9/11 (the original lease was signed in 1999 and didn't anticipate the spike in energy costs and the need for terrorism insurance, for example). The RBC Center is also continuing to get upgraded as time goes along. For the first time, however, NC State will get some say in future improvements to the arena.

[duff88]

Thoughts on him? He was supposed to come to UMass (and be our 1st 1st-round pick) until he blew up at the combine and signed with the OHL.

It mush be a blow for UMass fans, but I think it is good decision by Carlson. London have a very strong system and Hunter has developped a lot of talent. He'll get to play more games in a season, which should be benefic.

As for the player himself, he's obviously a guy I am very high on as he is up there at #10 on my draft list, the first player after what I consider a drop in talent after Cody Hodgson. I like how Carlson has every tools: He's big, solid on his skates, surprisingly agile, smart, strong, already knows how to use his body, poised and a good passer. Most of all though, he has a canon of a shot.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Pens file for arbitration with Fleury. This guarantees Fleury will be a Penguin at least the coming season. And stops anyone from drawing up an offer sheet after July 1st, extending the time the Pens-Fleury can work on a long term deal.

[DeToxRox]

Arbitraton is a slippery slope. Just ask Buffalo.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I'm no hockey expert, but was wondering what the Wings will do for a backup/future starter in goal. Do they have any young guys in the system with the potential to get the job done if Osgood turns out to just have got on a roll behind that phenomenal defense? I was thinking that if they don't, I wonder if they might roll the dice on Ray Emery in a sort of "Randy Moss" situation. Bring a guy that's a bit of a head-case into a great veteran team where he could be one of the best in the league, but if he flakes out they could say "don't let the door hit you" without it affecting the team that much.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Arbitraton is a slippery slope. Just ask Buffalo.

I think it's no lose for Pittsburgh-- this time. They are paying Fleury anyway. If the arbitrator awards a $5M deal, the Pens take that for a year (2 at Fleury's choice). And continue working out the long term agreement.

If he is awarded $2.5M, they accept that, save a little bit of $$$, and continue working out a long term deal.


I'm no hockey expert, but was wondering what the Wings will do for a backup/future starter in goal. Do they have any young guys in the system with the potential to get the job done if Osgood turns out to just have got on a roll behind that phenomenal defense? I was thinking that if they don't, I wonder if they might roll the dice on Ray Emery in a sort of "Randy Moss" situation. Bring a guy that's a bit of a head-case into a great veteran team where he could be one of the best in the league, but if he flakes out they could say "don't let the door hit you" without it affecting the team that much.

Jimmy Howard has been being groomed for a few years now, and should slide easily into the backup spot.

HB and Detox can definitely speak better for him than be, but I think they have zero worries about him being the backup.

[DeToxRox]

I think it's no lose for Pittsburgh-- this time. They are paying Fleury anyway. If the arbitrator awards a $5M deal, the Pens take that for a year (2 at Fleury's choice). And continue working out the long term agreement.

If he is awarded $2.5M, they accept that, save a little bit of $$$, and continue working out a long term deal.




Jimmy Howard has been being groomed for a few years now, and should slide easily into the backup spot.

HB and Detox can definitely speak better for him than be, but I think they have zero worries about him being the backup.

Yeah, Jimmy Howard is the likely backup, but watch out for (gasp) another Swede in Daniel Larsson. He's been exceptional over in Sweden since he was drafted and signed a deal to come over next year. He said regardless he will play in North America next year.

The likely scenario is Howard plays 30 or so games, and Larsson tackles 50 or so in Grand Rapids. An impressive showing by Larsson there though could spell trouble for Howard.

I think Howard can be a franchise goalie, but he has to gain consistency. Excellent ability though, just worried about upstairs.

[Vince]

Wings' assistant coach, Todd McLellan, has just been hired as the San Jose Sharks head coach.

Good for him.

I don't know much about him, but everything I've heard on local sports radio has been raving about what a great guy he is, and how he's going to be a great coach. Anything else to add that we might not necessarily hear over here?

[DeToxRox]

I don't know much about him, but everything I've heard on local sports radio has been raving about what a great guy he is, and how he's going to be a great coach. Anything else to add that we might not necessarily hear over here?

You'll see SJ play a lot like Detroit did I think. Puck possession, and defensive accountability by your top guys. SJ will toughen up quick. Also, he was the brainchild of Detroit's PP.

[Suburban Rhythm]

You'll see SJ play a lot like Detroit did I think. Puck possession, and defensive accountability by your top guys. SJ will toughen up quick. Also, he was the brainchild of Detroit's PP.

So which Shark is he going to have interfere with the goalie? :p

Seriously though, as an outsider, I think he'll have a hard time doing that in SJ. While there are guys who are puck posession types in SJ (Thornton, and some of those mobile D), there are other guys (Cheechoo, Goc, McLaren immediately come to mind) who I don't think fit that style.

[bronconick]

Goc is a checking center at best, if not flat out of the lineup at times (Thornton, Marleau/Pavelski, Mitchell, Roenick). McLaren should be the 8th defensemen next year if not playing for some other team of suckers and Cheechoo's main job is to be a poor-man's Brett Hull, who managed to play in Detroit for a few years. If Cheech has the puck on his stick for more then 2 seconds, something's going to go wrong anyway.

His real shock period will be when he realizes that instead of Lidstrom, Rafalski and Kronwall, he has Vlasic, Campbell (hopefully) and Ehrhoff.

This team's major fallpoint the last two years is that the forwards have to spend so much effort helping the defense out of their own zone that the offense suffers.

[Pyser]

wheeler signs with the bruins.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Hedberg back to Atlanta
Ryan Suter re-signs with Nashville, $14M over 4 years.

[Suburban Rhythm]

wheeler signs with the bruins.

Technicality, but I believe he will sign with them July 1st. I think he is Coyote property up til then.

I could be wrong though.

[Pyser]

yes. but thats really just splitting hairs at this point. its a done deal.

[Pyser]

and tsn says the flames have a handshake agreement with langkow.

damnit.

[RomaGoth]

I think it's no lose for Pittsburgh-- this time. They are paying Fleury anyway. If the arbitrator awards a $5M deal, the Pens take that for a year (2 at Fleury's choice). And continue working out the long term agreement.

If he is awarded $2.5M, they accept that, save a little bit of $$$, and continue working out a long term deal.




Jimmy Howard has been being groomed for a few years now, and should slide easily into the backup spot.

HB and Detox can definitely speak better for him than be, but I think they have zero worries about him being the backup.

My dad watches the Griffins in GR, and has said that Howard is really up and down with his play. Sometimes he looks invincible but other times he appears out of place in net. Not sure what to think of that, but I hope the Wings have a decent alternative, aka Larssen.....

[Pyser]

oh my. according to tsn:

The report indicates the Blue Jackets would likely offer Malone a four or five-year contract worth between $4.5 million and $5.5 million per season.

thats after they trade for his rights.

thats too much.

[Honolulu_Blue]

oh my. according to tsn:

The report indicates the Blue Jackets would likely offer Malone a four or five-year contract worth between $4.5 million and $5.5 million per season.

thats after they trade for his rights.

thats too much.

I agree, but it's sort of what the market dictates, no?

Malone did score 27 goals and had a decent playoffs. Granted, he was playing with either Crosby or Malkin most of the year, so his offensive numbers are inflated, but around $4.5 million seems to be the going rate for a reasonably young, tough, physical forward who can score about 20 goals.

Penner is pulling down $4.25 and while I think he's a smarter player and has much higher offensive upside, he really has no physical element to his game. Erat is making $4.5 million. Again, more offensive upside, but Erat doesn't bring too much more to the table.

I always figured around $4.5 or so was what Malone would ask for and receive.

Yeah, it's probably too much, but, again, not surprising. I could see this as going down like when Martin LaPointe was signed by the Bruins.

[Suburban Rhythm]

oh my. according to tsn:

The report indicates the Blue Jackets would likely offer Malone a four or five-year contract worth between $4.5 million and $5.5 million per season.

thats after they trade for his rights.

thats too much.

Looking like a 2nd and 3rd round pick to Pittsburgh in the deal. Which is great. Coming into the draft, the Pens had no picks round 1 (part of Hossa deal), 2 (part of Hal Gill deal) or 3 (last year's deadline deal, to Phoenix, for Laraque). And they save $4.5+.

And I have to believe Shero believes he's got Hossa locked up to make this move.

If the Pens can keep Hossa and Orpik, lose Malone but pick up two draft picks in his place, I'll be pretty damn happy.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I agree, but it's sort of what the market dictates, no?

Malone did score 27 goals and had a decent playoffs. Granted, he was playing with either Crosby or Malkin most of the year, so his offensive numbers are inflated, but around $4.5 million seems to be the going rate for a reasonably young, tough, physical forward who can score about 20 goals.

Penner is pulling down $4.25 and while I think he's a smarter player and has much higher offensive upside, he really has no physical element to his game. Erat is making $4.5 million. Again, more offensive upside, but Erat doesn't bring too much more to the table.

I always figured around $4.5 or so was what Malone would ask for and receive.

Yeah, it's probably too much, but, again, not surprising. I could see this as going down like when Martin LaPointe was signed by the Bruins.

Agree 100% HB. He's not worth $4.5M, but that is what it will take to get him in free agency.

He'll score his 20 goals, crash the net, and probably work on the 2nd PP unit as the in front of the net guy, and be in the PK rotation. He'll drop the gloves.

What he did this year for $1.3M was a bargain. Doing the same things for $4.5M is robbery.

[Pyser]

ok, even at $4.5 thats "robbery". so what would that make a 5 yr, 27.5-mil deal.

for 50 points? on THAT pens team...going to columbus?

[TurnerONU22]

Obviously, I hope this one is a little more on the 4.5 mill side than 5.5. I can live with 5 and under, but anything more than that is ridiculous. However, he fills a need in this Jackets lineup, a top-6 forward that is willing to pay the price. We have nobody that will go in front of the net on the PP, and we have nobody with skill that is as tough as Malone is. I'd think he's an ideal player for Hitchcock's style of play, which makes me think he is even more valuable to the Jackets than most other teams.

However, having said that, I hope that this doesn't prevent us from filling a hole up the middle and a top D-man. I'd love to see a deal for Vermette from Ottawa and/or a deal for Kubina from Toronto.

[DeToxRox]

It's up to GM's now to break market value during the season and lock up guys rather then let them test the market.

I am anxious to see what Zetterberg resigns for.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am anxious to see what Zetterberg resigns for.

Me too. I am thinking around $7 to $7.5 million for 5-6 years or so. That would seem to be about right. I could see him asking for more. Considering he just won the Conn Smythe and out played Crosby in the finals, it'd be hard to argue against it. Hopefully, he'll stick with the "program" and give the Wings a hometown discount just like the "perfect human" and others.

[Suburban Rhythm]

ok, even at $4.5 thats "robbery". so what would that make a 5 yr, 27.5-mil deal.

for 50 points? on THAT pens team...going to columbus?

The thing that is a little weird, here are his stat lines since breaking into the league don't vary much from a last place in the league team through a Cup finalist-

2003-04 22G 21A 43P in 81 games
2004-05 Lockout
2005-06 22G 22A 44P in 77 games
2006-07 16G 15A 31P in 64 games
2007-08 27G 24A 51P in 77 games

His rookie year he may have been the best player on a God awful team. The 2 following the lockout he coasted terribly.

This season, I guess you can look at two ways - playing the entire year with either Sid and/or Geno didn't change his totals that much, so he didn't really mooch off them. Also, playing the entire season with Sid and/or Geno didn't change his numbers that much, so while there might be the potential for a slight bump in production, what you see now may be the finished product.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Stupid Ryan Malone

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08169/890647-61.stm

Amid speculation that the Penguins were about to send Ryan Malone to a Western Conference team for a player and/or draft pick, Malone's agent signaled last night that his client was not interested in such a deal and that Malone would rather wait to become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

Fucking up everything

[Suburban Rhythm]

Dola,

Glenn Anderson and Igor Larionov into HHOF, along with linesman Ray Scapinello and former WHL pres Ed Chenowyth.

[Pyser]

this may be old hat but i never knew it before. from cnnsi:

Contrary to some published reports, Hasek forced his own way out of Buffalo in a messy "divorce" in which he orchestrated his trade to Detroit and only Detroit by telling Sabres general manager Darcy Regier that he would only accept the Red Wings and if Regier didn't make it happen, he would retire. When Regier got into serious negotiations for the two-time Hart Trophy- and six-time Vezina Trophy-winner, he was severely hampered in his bargaining position by a call from Hasek in which the goalie told the GM that if he continued to ask a high price and thereby weaken the Red Wings as a Cup contender, he would retire and the Sabres would get nothing.
Regier confirmed all of this shortly after the deal went down, explaining why the Sabres only received a player (Vyacheslav Kozlov) and a draft pick. Given all the Sabres had been through with Hasek, Regier was not a happy man.

[Honolulu_Blue]

this may be old hat but i never knew it before. from cnnsi:

Contrary to some published reports, Hasek forced his own way out of Buffalo in a messy "divorce" in which he orchestrated his trade to Detroit and only Detroit by telling Sabres general manager Darcy Regier that he would only accept the Red Wings and if Regier didn't make it happen, he would retire. When Regier got into serious negotiations for the two-time Hart Trophy- and six-time Vezina Trophy-winner, he was severely hampered in his bargaining position by a call from Hasek in which the goalie told the GM that if he continued to ask a high price and thereby weaken the Red Wings as a Cup contender, he would retire and the Sabres would get nothing.
Regier confirmed all of this shortly after the deal went down, explaining why the Sabres only received a player (Vyacheslav Kozlov) and a draft pick. Given all the Sabres had been through with Hasek, Regier was not a happy man.

Well, if it makes Darcy feel any better, I believe the Sabres also got an additional first round pick because the Wings won the Cup in 2002!

That's win-win, baby!

[Pyser]

The Philadelphia Flyers announced Wednesday that they have traded the rights to forward Vaclav Prospal to the Tampa Bay Lightning in exchange for a seventh round pick in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and a conditional pick in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft.

[Dr. Sak]

That works...they weren't going to sign him anyway.

[Honolulu_Blue]

That works...they weren't going to sign him anyway.

Don't worry about it, he'll be back in a couple of years...

[Dr. Sak]

Mike Richards has started his offseason workout...

http://photos-882.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v248/164/45/32100882/n32100882_31229871_654.jpg

[Maple Leafs]

Bizarre rumor today...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Report-Penguins-offer-Malkin-to-Kings-for-block?urn=nhl,88994

The Penguins are trying to make a blockbuster move before tomorrow night's NHL draft at Scotiabank Place. League sources say Pittsburgh GM Ray Shero offered all-star centre Evgeni Malkin to the Kings for the No. 2 overall pick in the draft and a player, possibly centre Mike Cammalleri.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Bizarre rumor today...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Report-Penguins-offer-Malkin-to-Kings-for-block?urn=nhl,88994

That is really weird. Malkin was a MVP candidate. Sure, he struggled in the last several games of the playoffs, but he's only 21 years old and a great talent. I know those defensemen are supposed to be pretty good, but if this was offered to me and I was the Kings' GM, I think I'd bite. It's quite a gamble to think any of those defensemen you could take at #2 would be better than Malkin.

[Fidatelo]

"Posted by Bruce Garrioch"

'nuff said.

[Maple Leafs]

"Posted by Bruce Garrioch"

'nuff said.
True. But Garrioch gets half his "scoops" from Roy Mlakar, who is still heavily connected to the Kings.

[Fidatelo]

True. But Garrioch gets half his "scoops" from Roy Mlakar, who is still heavily connected to the Kings.

Which likely means that he's leaked a false rumor in order to try to get more in return from another club for that 2nd overall pick.

[Pyser]

jesus, why would the kings have not accepted that.

part of me says no way in hell thats true.

the other part of me says the kings are so awful at what they do theyd actually turn that down.

[Pyser]

has bettman done ANYTHING good for hockey??

now this, which even as a devils fan i find ridiculous:

NEW YORK - The NHL is threatening to kick the owners of the New York Rangers out of the league as punishment for accusing league officials of violating antitrust laws.

The NHL filed court papers Wednesday that included a draft letter from commissioner Gary Bettman proposing discipline against Madison Square Garden, L.P., that could lead to suspension or termination of its ownership of the Rangers.

In its court filing, the NHL asked a judge to agree Madison Square Garden breached its contract by challenging league rules.

Madison Square Garden sued the NHL in September, saying it violated antitrust laws by monopolizing control of team promotions. A judge ruled in November that the league seemed within its rights to take control of the team's website.

Madison Square Garden, L.P., which is owned by Cablevision Systems Corp., owns the Rangers, the NBA's New York Knicks, the WNBA's New York Liberty and several venues, including Madison Square Garden - the home of the Rangers, Knicks and Liberty.

Messages left with Madison Square Garden officials were not immediately returned.

[Fidatelo]

Let's Go Rangers! :D

[Maple Leafs]

has bettman done ANYTHING good for hockey??
I just wrote a blog post about this. Basically, while the NBA, NFL and MLB are bending over backwards to make sure the big market teams stay strong, the NHL wants to pick fights with them. Don't froget Bettman is also busy trying to run interference against the Leafs hiring Brian Burke.

[Logan]

Bettman also hand-picked Boots Del Biaggio to be the next golden boy owner, vouching for him and having him pick up a large share of the Predators before eventually getting his own team to move to Kansas City.

The guy has now filed for bankruptcy after the FBI and a bunch of banks came after him for fraudulently obtaining loans.

Good job Gary.

[Dr. Sak]

Maybe the Rangers should just move to KC. I hear they have a nice new arena.

[Pyser]

"You guys make up more stuff than I can ever imagine," Ottawa general manager Bryan Murray told reporters on Thursday. "I heard a rumour last night that Pittsburgh was moving one of their star players. I talked to their manager today to see if I could be included in the discussions and they kind of laughed at me."

[Chief Rum]

I just wrote a blog post about this. Basically, while the NBA, NFL and MLB are bending over backwards to make sure the big market teams stay strong, the NHL wants to pick fights with them. Don't froget Bettman is also busy trying to run interference against the Leafs hiring Brian Burke.

Heh...good thing, too. Wouldn't want a pesky little thing like contract law to be the only thing standing in his way!

[Maple Leafs]

Heh...good thing, too. Wouldn't want a pesky little thing like contract law to be the only thing standing in his way!
Good point. What fan could root for a guy who didn't honor his (http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/prongch01.html) contract?

[Chief Rum]

Good point. What fan could root for a guy who didn't honor his (http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/prongch01.html) contract?

Do you want me to pull up my quotes where I say I flat don't like the guy? :)

And obviously, you're fine with it. ;)

[Maple Leafs]

Do you want me to pull up my quotes where I say I flat don't like the guy?
So you're saying you don't root for the guy? Or his team? Meaning you don't root for the Ducks? Pretty interesting comment, coming from a Ducks' fan!

(Having won argument on internet through sheer force of brain power, runs around unsuccessfully looking for somebody to high-five.)

OK, I see what you're saying. We're still stealing your GM, though.

[Chief Rum]

OK, I see what you're saying. We're still stealing your GM, though.

Heh...no, you're taking our sloppy seconds after we let him go. :D

[Fidatelo]

Heh...no, you're taking our sloppy seconds after we let him go. :D

Wouldn't it be more like thirsty thirds at this point?

[Travis]

(...runs around unsuccessfully looking for somebody to high-five.)

You could've just said you pulled a Cam Neely.

[Dr. Sak]

You can scratch Jeff Carter's name off the list of potential trade bait this weekend. Sources are telling Sportsnet that Carter has agreed to a three-year deal with the Philadelphia Flyers that is believed to pay him no less than $15 million.

[Dr. Sak]

Dola.

The best part of this deal is that after this contract Carter will still be a RFA.

[Dr. Sak]

Double dola..

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241220&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_nhl

REPORT: RUSSIAN LEAGUE TO OFFER MALKIN BIG MONEY CONTRACT
If the new Russian professional hockey league has its way, the National Hockey League career of Hart Trophy candidate Evgeni Malkin will be pretty short.

According to a report in the Toronto Star, the Russian teams are prepared to offer the Russian-born Malkin a contract that would make him the highest-paid hockey player in the world. The multi-year contract would be worth at least $12.5 million tax free per season, or the equivalent of $15 million per year in the NHL.

"Hey, we can afford to pay more than the NHL right now," a high-ranking executive with the Russian league, called the Continental League, told the Star. "Our economy is commodities-based so we're not going through the same problems that you have in America."

The Continental League executive confirmed to the Star that some teams have already offered contract to some players that are already under contract to NHL clubs.

According to the executive, the league is not worried about the NHL legally contesting any contract offers

"What happened with Malkin when he came to the NHL?" the official said.

Malkin was drafted by the Penguins in 2004, but remained in Russia because his club team argued he already had an existing contract. When Malkin eventually joined the Penguins, his club team unsuccessfully filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NHL, again insisting he already had a contract in Russia.

However, International Ice Hockey Federation President Rene Fasel was quick to respond that any tampering with a player currently under contract could be met with consequences.

"Although there will be no imminent Player Transfer Agreement between the IIHF and the NHL, all involved parties are in principal agreement to honour each other's contracts," says Fasel. "The NHL has informed the IIHF that this will be the policy of the league during the period without a PTA, and conversely, the IIHF has obligated its member national federations and leagues to do the same in its relations with the NHL."

"We would view any signing, from either side, of a player under a valid contract, who does not have any legally valid out-clause, to be a clear violation of the mutual understanding and existing principle. It would potentially be punishable with suspended national team eligibility and suspension from all competition or activity organized by the IIHF or any IIHF member national association. This would include events like the Olympic Winter Games, the IIHF World Championship or international club competitions like the Champions Hockey League."

"Given this, we are confident that the report is not substantiated."

Malkin is eligible to sign an extension with the Penguins as of July 1st. However, should the two parties not agree to terms, Malkin would become a restricted free agent following next season.

[Dr. Sak]

Triple dola...

Blues trade for G Chris Mason. Give up a 4th round pick.

Preds sign Dan Ellis.

[Logan]

Plus they can guarantee that the mob won't kill his family.

[Dr. Sak]

Per TSN

Goaltenders Ray Emery and Dan Cloutier have been put on waivers, the first step that must be taken to buy them out.

If not claimed by anyone, the respective teams can then proceed with the buyout

[Pyser]

go russia! buy malkin!! (or just have him move to the western conference)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Triple dola...

Blues trade for G Chris Mason. Give up a 4th round pick.

Preds sign Dan Ellis.

They sign Ellis for 2 years for $3.5 million over the length of the deal.

That's not a bad signing for Nashville. Based on his performance during the end of last year and in the first round against Detroit, I thought Ellis stood to make quite a bit more than that on the open market.

[RomaGoth]

Triple dola...

Blues trade for G Chris Mason. Give up a 4th round pick.

Preds sign Dan Ellis.

I posted this in the NHL Draft thread not knowing it was already here. :redface:

[Kozure]

go russia! buy malkin!! (or just have him move to the western conference)

It's being reported in Pittsburgh papers today that Malkin has no interest in any Russian offer and is ready to sign an extension worth 8.5 million a year for 6 or so years.

He ain't going anywhere this year, at least, I think. :devil: Which is good because if he can get the determination that Crosby has, he may turn into the best player in the world.

If the Penguins were seriously going to get rid of him, they'd let him go through restricted free agency next year rather than resign him. Next year, if a team gives him an offer for more than 4.5 million or so and the Pens don't match, they'd get 4 first rounders from the team that gets him. But since they seem to be headed toward keeping him long-term, I'm willing to bet they will end up trading Jordan Stall at some point and letting Gonchar go once his contract is up and bringing up one of their young offensive defensemen in the minors. Pittsburgh has surprising depth at offensive defensemen at this moment. It will be interesting to see what they do over the next few years.

Also, the word in Pittsburgh seems as if the Pens are ready to let Ryan Malone go. They offered him a $3 million but he turned it down. They are putting their focus on signing Hossa, Malkin, Fleury and giving what's left over to Orpik, though, don't expect a huge offer for him. They will try to sign him, I think, once they know what Hossa is going to do.

If it hasn't been mentioned here, Hossa has been rumored to have been offered a 7 year, $50 million deal by the pens.

[Kozure]

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08173/891683-61.stm


That's the link to the Pittsburgh based Malkin story I referenced above.

[Dr. Sak]

Hossa and the Pens cut off talks.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241327&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main

[Suburban Rhythm]

Hossa and the Pens cut off talks.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241327&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main

Orpik might become the one of the big 3 FAs that gets kept. I don't think there is any chance Malone is back. And now Hossa. I don't see him going to Columbus even though they can throw a ton of $ at him. So it will come down to is that additional $1+ million a year enough to get him to a team other than Pittsburgh.

[Kozure]

Hossa turning down the contract is going to surprise a lot of people here in Pittsburgh. It was said that he would take a discount to stay with the Pens. I think $7 million he was offered a year was actually around his going rate, but who knows what he is going to be offered by a big money franchise. I could see him getting $9 million a year from the Rangers or Detroit depending on their cap situations.

[DeToxRox]

Hossa turning down the contract is going to surprise a lot of people here in Pittsburgh. It was said that he would take a discount to stay with the Pens. I think $7 million he was offered a year was actually around his going rate, but who knows what he is going to be offered by a big money franchise. I could see him getting $9 million a year from the Rangers or Detroit depending on their cap situations.

You won't see that from Detroit. Kenny Holland has come out and said guys have to take a Detroit deal, meaning less money for a better chance to win. With Lidstrom, Dats and Rafalski all making serious money, and Zetterberg's new deal on the horizon, I doubt Holland will offer anything more then 6 mil per for Holland.

If they try signing any big name forward, it'll be Sundin.

[Honolulu_Blue]

You won't see that from Detroit. Kenny Holland has come out and said guys have to take a Detroit deal, meaning less money for a better chance to win. With Lidstrom, Dats and Rafalski all making serious money, and Zetterberg's new deal on the horizon, I doubt Holland will offer anything more then 6 mil per for Holland.

If they try signing any big name forward, it'll be Sundin.

Agreed. While Detroit has plenty of space under the cap this year, things will get tight the following year with Zetterberg getting a new deal, Franzen is up, and the whole goaltender situation may be up in the air too.

I think a one year deal with Sundin is the most likely "big name" free agent deal the Wings will make.

I am beginning to get the sense that the Wings wont be able to get Stuart back. He's a West Coast guy and I don't see why he'd take less to stay in Detroit, where he could stand to make a lot more (based on his performance in the playoffs) playing somewhere he'd rather be.

[DeToxRox]

Agreed. While Detroit has plenty of space under the cap this year, things will get tight the following year with Zetterberg getting a new deal, Franzen is up, and the whole goaltender situation may be up in the air too.

I think a one year deal with Sundin is the most likely "big name" free agent deal the Wings will make.

I am beginning to get the sense that the Wings wont be able to get Stuart back. He's a West Coast guy and I don't see why he'd take less to stay in Detroit, where he could stand to make a lot more (based on his performance in the playoffs) playing somewhere he'd rather be.

I heard the Stuart thing has some complications in regards to his wife's custody of a child from another marriage. Not sure but it's the rumor. Also, Detroit has high hopes for Jonathan Ericsson, but he could be a Group 6 UFA next year, meaning Detroit needs to work out a deal soon to keep him. Obviously they'll want to see him play as much as possible before pulling the trigger.

I fully expect Detroit to now make a run at Orpik if Stu doesn't resign.

I think next year you'll see a top 6 of ..

Lidstrom - Rafalski
Kronwall - UFA (Stuart or Orpik is my guess)
Lebda - Ericsson

Chelios and Quincey

I expect Lilja and Meech to be gone. Hopefully we can deal Meech for a pick but because he has to clear waivers, I am not sure if anyone will bite.

[duff88]

Hopefully the Habs can get a deal done with Sundin, I can already imagine:

Tanguay - Sundin - Latendresse
A. Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev
Higgins - Koivu - S. Kostitsyn
Begin - Lapierre - Kostopoulos

:jawdrop:

[Pyser]

ny post:

Glen Sather is seriously considering a 2008-09 go-for-it-now first line tandem of Mats Sundin and Jaromir Jagr, sources in Europe and North America have told The Post. Sundin, the 37-year-old long-time Maple Leafs captain who can become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, has made it clear New York is his desired destination. Indeed, we're told that the Rangers have held conversations with both the centerman and his representative, J.P. Barry, after having received permission to do so by Toronto.

[Dr. Sak]

Maybe Sather has invested in either wheelchairs or walkers for his first line.

[Logan]

What's Sundin seeking? While I'd rather they go after Hossa, if it's a short deal I don't really have an issue with it.

[Maple Leafs]

What's Sundin seeking? While I'd rather they go after Hossa, if it's a short deal I don't really have an issue with it.
You never know with Mats. Rumor is he wants big dollars (over $7M) and would prefer a two-year deal, which of course would include a no-trade clause.

However, he's an odd guy at this time of year. He could wander into the mountains of Sweden and emerge a week later with a full length beard and a willingless to play for the league minimum.

[Pyser]

hossa seems to make a TON more sense for the rangers, to line up next to drury or gomez for the next 6 years or so.

if they add sundin, the post says drury would move to the wing.

[Dr. Sak]

Gary Roberts won't be back for Pittsburgh in 08-09.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Gary Roberts won't be back for Pittsburgh in 08-09.

Despite willing Talbot to score the game tying goal in Game 5 of the finals just by sitting next to him and all the leadership he displayed by watching the clock after Talbot scored that goal, $2.5 million is a lot to pay a fourth line guy.

I know Don Cherry would say otherwise...

[Suburban Rhythm]

Despite willing Talbot to score the game tying goal in Game 5 of the finals just by sitting next to him and all the leadership he displayed by watching the clock after Talbot scored that goal, $2.5 million is a lot to pay a fourth line guy.

I know Don Cherry would say otherwise...

What I wonder is...what sort of market will there be for him?

He's 42 and played about 30 games.

The way the PG story reads, he and his agent realize Shero has other issues to take care of, so they are looking elsewhere. Not that Pittsburgh has interest. I would think if he has minimal offers, he'd be loved here again...just at a drastically reduced rate.

[RomaGoth]

Gary Roberts won't be back for Pittsburgh in 08-09.

I am sure the Rangers are already on the phone. :eek:

[Pyser]

the nhl really needs to do something about everyone being "granted permission" to talk to teams ahead of the start of ufa.

just another broken thing under bettmans watch.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Darcy Tucker bought out, so now a UFA.

[Pyser]

A report in the New York Post on Tuesday suggested the Rangers are also talking to Sundin but Leafs GM Cliff Fletcher said that is not true.

"Montreal is the only team that has the rights to talk to him," Fletcher said Tuesday. "The Rangers did not ask for permission to talk to Sundin and we have given the exclusive rights to Montreal."

[Honolulu_Blue]

the nhl really needs to do something about everyone being "granted permission" to talk to teams ahead of the start of ufa.

just another broken thing under bettmans watch.

Broken? Why's that?

I kind of like it. It adds another wrinkle to the whole UFA period. You grant a team "permission" to "talk" and if they happen to reach an agreement pre July 1, you get some compensation for it. I don't see the problem.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Darcy Tucker bought out, so now a UFA.

...and Kyle Wellwood and Andrew Raycroft waived.

[Pyser]

Broken? Why's that?

I kind of like it. It adds another wrinkle to the whole UFA period. You grant a team "permission" to "talk" and if they happen to reach an agreement pre July 1, you get some compensation for it. I don't see the problem.

is there sarcasm here? i cant tell anymore

teams get compensation regardless, i thought, for free agents they lost. but in the rangers/sundin case, depending on who you believe, the rangers just get to talk to sundin without having traded anything to the leafs first. how is that not a problem?

[Honolulu_Blue]

is there sarcasm here? i cant tell anymore

teams get compensation regardless, i thought, for free agents they lost. but in the rangers/sundin case, depending on who you believe, the rangers just get to talk to sundin without having traded anything to the leafs first. how is that not a problem?

No sarcasm at all.

I don't think that's the case anymore. I know back under the old CBA there was some odd system where a team would get compensatory draft picks based on some figure related to the UFAs that were lost (I believe it was some how related to the percentage of the UFA's salary as compared to the team's entire roster). I haven't heard anything about this since the new CBA and, therefore, I think was written out completely.

That led to a lot of weird summer deals where team X would trade high priced free agent to team Y for a draft pick. Team Y would get a decent compensatory draft pick, I believe, based on the percentage the value of the UFA's old contract was in relation to their entire payroll. Under that system a high priced free agent would be of more value to a smaller market team.

I believe that system was much more "broken" then what's going on here. As far as I know, the only team that has been confirmed to be able to talk to Sundin is Montreal, with the deal being either a pick or player coming over to Toronto if they strike a pre July 1 deal with Sundin. Toronto's compensation is entirely contingent on a deal being struck between Montreal and Sundin before July 1.

I don't see any problem with this at all. Montreal is willing to pay a price for that exclusivity, but Toronto only gets something if Montreal does.

I think, at the moment, the rumor about the Rangers is just that, a rumor. If Toronto has granted the Rangers permission to talk to Sundin and his agent pre-July 1, then I would fully expect some similar type of deal to have been worked out between Toronto and the Rangers.

[Fidatelo]

I'm with H_B on this one, I don't see a problem with it. Sundin is Leafs property until July 1, they can do with him as they see fit. No one has said Sundin has to even talk to Montreal, no one is saying other teams couldn't also have tried to work out such an arrangement. It's just a different form of trade, really, almost along the lines of 'future considerations' deals.

[Honolulu_Blue]

It's just a different form of trade, really, almost along the lines of 'future considerations' deals.

Exactly. It's similar to deals where the quality of a future draft picks is based on playing time or some team reaching the finals/playoffs. These types of deals are pretty common.

[Maple Leafs]

I'm with H_B on this one, I don't see a problem with it. Sundin is Leafs property until July 1, they can do with him as they see fit. No one has said Sundin has to even talk to Montreal, no one is saying other teams couldn't also have tried to work out such an arrangement. It's just a different form of trade, really, almost along the lines of 'future considerations' deals.
I generally agree, but there's one piece that's being overlooked that I could see causing problems.

Let's say, for sake of argument, that the Leafs make a deal with the Habs. Montreal can talk to Mats early, but if they sign him the Leafs get a first round pick. (I can't imagine the compensation would be that high, but let's pretend.) That applies even if they sign him after July 1, since they still had a headstart to help get something done.

Then the Rangers say they want to talk to him too. So the Leafs make the same deal with them. And then with the Red Wings. Why not, right?

But meanwhile, Mats Sundin suddenly finds himself talking to all these teams that know they have to give up a pick to sign him. He's not really a "free" agent any more, and in theory he could see his opportunity to get the deal he wants limited because teams are thinking about the compensation. "Sorry Mats, normally we'd say $8M is fair but combined with the draft pick its just too much..."

Is that fair? Would the NHLPA think so?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I generally agree, but there's one piece that's being overlooked that I could see causing problems.

Let's say, for sake of argument, that the Leafs make a deal with the Habs. Montreal can talk to Mats early, but if they sign him the Leafs get a first round pick. (I can't imagine the compensation would be that high, but let's pretend.) That applies even if they sign him after July 1, since they still had a headstart to help get something done.

Then the Rangers say they want to talk to him too. So the Leafs make the same deal with them. And then with the Red Wings. Why not, right?

But meanwhile, Mats Sundin suddenly finds himself talking to all these teams that know they have to give up a pick to sign him. He's not really a "free" agent any more, and in theory he could see his opportunity to get the deal he wants limited because teams are thinking about the compensation. "Sorry Mats, normally we'd say $8M is fair but combined with the draft pick its just too much..."

Is that fair? Would the NHLPA think so?

I don't really see that as a concern. If that's the approach they take, Mats would just say, "Ok. I am returning to the mountains. I shall return on July 2 and get my $8M then. Then I shall own the mountains..."

I think the bigger risk, though I am sure there is something in place to prevent this, is that, if the Ranger say: "Sorry Mats, normally we'd say $8M is fair but combined with the draft pick its just too much... So, what we wanna do is have you go back to the mountain, sit around for a week, stare into the fire, cover yourself in mud or whatever you do... On July 2, we'll announce our $8M deal. You have nothing to worry about and we wont owe Toronto nothin'."

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that Toronto only gets compensation if a deal is reached/Sundin is signed before July 1. I am not sure if they get anything if he's signed after that, even if Montreal/New York sign him and may have benefitted from the earlier round of negotiations.

[Dr. Sak]

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that Toronto only gets compensation if a deal is reached/Sundin is signed before July 1. I am not sure if they get anything if he's signed after that, even if Montreal/New York sign him and may have benefitted from the earlier round of negotiations.

I realize that Toronto management is stupid but why would they allow those teams to get a head start on talking to Mats when they knew that they would get nothing after July 1st? Sure talk to Mats, agree to a contract and announce it after July 1st so we get nothing. If this is all true, Maple Leafs' management is run by a bunch of retarded gorillas.

[Pyser]

and then what about the rangers being allowed to talk to campbell early? i havent heard anything about a trade being worked out there.

either announce the deal as a trade officially, or wait til july 1st. this "ok, you can have him til the 1st and if you sign him we get something, if not, no worries" is bullshit. you either trade for his rights and try to sign him legit or you dont.

[Logan]

If this is all true, Maple Leafs' management is run by a bunch of retarded gorillas.

Come on, ML is pretty good...he doesn't need this big of a softball.

[Logan]

and then what about the rangers being allowed to talk to campbell early? i havent heard anything about a trade being worked out there.

either announce the deal as a trade officially, or wait til july 1st. this "ok, you can have him til the 1st and if you sign him we get something, if not, no worries" is bullshit. you either trade for his rights and try to sign him legit or you dont.

I don't think it's "bullshit" until a second team is offered the same ability.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I realize that Toronto management is stupid but why would they allow those teams to get a head start on talking to Mats when they knew that they would get nothing after July 1st? Sure talk to Mats, agree to a contract and announce it after July 1st so we get nothing. If this is all true, Maple Leafs' management is run by a bunch of retarded gorillas.

By everything I've read, that's what the deal is. Like I said, I am sure there are some safeguards built into the process. Maybe there aren't any and it's based on trust. Who knows?

Obviously there is a risk there, but if you're Toronto why not take it? If you believe Montreal and Sundin will be honest about the process, you get compensation. If they lie about it, you get nothing, which is exactly what you would get if you never offered the deal in the first place.

[Honolulu_Blue]

and then what about the rangers being allowed to talk to campbell early? i havent heard anything about a trade being worked out there.

According to the NY Post something has been worked out between San Jose and the Rangers:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06222008/sports/rangers/rangers_given_ok_to_talk_to_campbell_116657.htm

"The Rangers are among a select number of teams that have received permission to open early negotiations with him. Should the Rangers in fact sign Campbell, it is believed they would then owe San Jose a second- or third-round draft pick."

[Honolulu_Blue]

either announce the deal as a trade officially, or wait til july 1st. this "ok, you can have him til the 1st and if you sign him we get something, if not, no worries" is bullshit. you either trade for his rights and try to sign him legit or you dont.

I still don't see it as bullshit. These players are these teams assets up until July 1. They can offer any other team any rights within the CBA.

In your typical "future considerations" type deal, you get player X and I get a draft pick based on his performance. If he or the team succeeds, I get a higher pick. If he or the team doesn't, I get a lower pick. But I still get something because, regardless of performance, you received something when you got that player.

Here, unless you sign him during that exclusive window, you don't get anything, therefore, neither should I. If you do happen to sign him, you do benefit and, therefore, so shoud I.

Nashville and Philadelphia made a similar deal last year, no? With Hartnell and Timmonen? I think things appeared to go down a bit differently because there was less press about it and Philly locked those guys right up.

[Pyser]

i thought last year philly made the deal, it was announced, and then they tried like hell to sign them. there was risk involved. the no risk stuff is what sucks.

the league should treat this like the nfl. just allow compensation for a lost fa, and let everyone get a crack at the same time. or say the contract ends when the teams season ends, and no one can negotiate but his own team until the start of ufa.

why the need to jump the gun? there wouldnt be one if the original team was being compensated no matter what

[Pyser]

maybe you guys are right though. maybe campbell says i only want to negotiate with the 5 teams (who is choosing the teams to trade rights to, the players or the teams?)

then he negotiates with those 5 and works out a deal, never knowing columbus was going to offer him $9m a year for 6 years.

[Honolulu_Blue]

maybe you guys are right though. maybe campbell says i only want to negotiate with the 5 teams (who is choosing the teams to trade rights to, the players or the teams?)

then he negotiates with those 5 and works out a deal, never knowing columbus was going to offer him $9m a year for 6 years.

The player totally has a say in this situation. Just last week, there was all that talk about Pittsburgh offering Columbus exclusive rights to negotiate with Ryan Malone. Malone killed the deal when he basically said "I will not sign with any team before July 1. I want to explore all of my options." The prospective deal died right then and there.

[Dr. Sak]

Come on, ML is pretty good...he doesn't need this big of a softball.

I want to see how far he hits it.

[Dr. Sak]

Dola.

The final touches are still being worked on and nothing can be formally announced until July 1, but sources tell TSN the Tampa Bay Lightning and superstar centre Vinny Lecavalier have agreed to terms on a mega-deal that will pay him $77 million over nine years.

[Fidatelo]

I generally agree, but there's one piece that's being overlooked that I could see causing problems.

Let's say, for sake of argument, that the Leafs make a deal with the Habs. Montreal can talk to Mats early, but if they sign him the Leafs get a first round pick. (I can't imagine the compensation would be that high, but let's pretend.) That applies even if they sign him after July 1, since they still had a headstart to help get something done.

Then the Rangers say they want to talk to him too. So the Leafs make the same deal with them. And then with the Red Wings. Why not, right?

But meanwhile, Mats Sundin suddenly finds himself talking to all these teams that know they have to give up a pick to sign him. He's not really a "free" agent any more, and in theory he could see his opportunity to get the deal he wants limited because teams are thinking about the compensation. "Sorry Mats, normally we'd say $8M is fair but combined with the draft pick its just too much..."

Is that fair? Would the NHLPA think so?

Isn't that up to the NHLPA to argue? I haven't heard boo from them. Personally I don't see it happening. How do you attract future free agents if you start pushing people around with these exclusive deals? First guy that feels a team (or teams) low-balled him in such a way would cause the rest of the players to just do exactly what Malone did and refuse to talk to anyone prior to July 1.

Which, by the way, is exactly what I would do if I was a player. While I don't see this as a problem for the player, I don't see where he gains either. I'd do exactly what Malone did and start receiving offers from everyone at 12:00 July 1.

[Maple Leafs]

By everything I've read, that's what the deal is. Like I said, I am sure there are some safeguards built into the process. Maybe there aren't any and it's based on trust. Who knows?
I've seen that reported too, although mostly from the Toronto media who are notoriously lazy when it comes to this sort of factual detail.

From the Leafs' perspective, why wouldn't you insist on compensation past July 1? If you don't, then of course the "winning" team would just wait until one minute after the deadline -- it would be a ridiculous move not to.

In any event, the scenario I laid out assume that compensation is a factor past the start of FA.

[Logan]

Marty Straka leaves the Rangers to go play for his old Czech team.

Allow me to be the first to say...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Dr. Sak]

Marty Straka leaves the Rangers to go play for his old Czech team.

Allow me to be the first to say...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Don't cheer just yet.

PRAGUE, Czech Republic - Martin Straka has not signed a contract with HC Lasselsberger Plzen, his agent said Thursday, despite an announcement to the contrary from the Czech club.

''Marty has made it clear that he will wait until after July 1 to evaluate all his options and make an informed decision at that time,'' Ritch Winter, Straka's longtime agent, told The Canadian Press on Thursday.



Also...Sources tell TSN Scott Niedermayer and Anaheim Ducks general manager Brian Burke met briefly Thursday morning at which point the 34-old-defenceman informed Burke he will return for the final year of his contract.

[Logan]

Six minutes. Six god damn minutes of jubilation is what you allowed me? Thanks a lot, prick.

[Dr. Sak]

Six minutes. Six god damn minutes of jubilation is what you allowed me? Thanks a lot, prick.

I'm always looking to help out a Ranger fan :devil:

[Dr. Sak]

Sources tell TSN that for the 2008-09 season, the salary cap will rise to a maximum of $56.7-million. That is a $6.4-million increase from this past season when the cap was set at $50.3-million.

[RomaGoth]

Forgive me if I missed this being mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but Barry Frickin' Melrose?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3458608

:rolleyes:

[Suburban Rhythm]

Penguins make Brooks Orpik an offer...which he promptly turns down :(

No numbers given, but they are allegedly still talking.

We're going to go from Hossa, Malone and Orpik to Satan, Asham and Commodore I think.

[Fidatelo]

Why doesn't anyone want to stay in Pittsburgh? Is there something we don't know about the chemistry in the locker room or with Therrien?

[Pyser]

its pretty well documented that the players dont like therrien.

i guess its also well documented that players like money. as much of it as possible.

[Chief Rum]

Don't cheer just yet.





Also...Sources tell TSN Scott Niedermayer and Anaheim Ducks general manager Brian Burke met briefly Thursday morning at which point the 34-old-defenceman informed Burke he will return for the final year of his contract.

Woot!

Actually, Burke has been saying for weeks Scotty would come back. And I am guessing that means Teemu will come back, too.

[Honolulu_Blue]

its pretty well documented that the players dont like therrien.

i guess its also well documented that players like money. as much of it as possible.

Yeah, I remember some article right after the finals about how many of the players hated Therrien. I believe Oprik and Malone were two of the main anti-Therrien guys, pretty much stating they wouldn't be back if he was still around.

That + Mad Loots is more than enough to convince players to bolt.

So, the new cap: $56.7 million cap and a $40.7 million floor. I know that there were at least a few teams pre-lockout who had team salaries below $40 million.

Yay, LOCKOUT!!!! You accomplished a lot there, fellas!!!!

[Suburban Rhythm]

Orpik had said during the season pretty much how unhappy he was. He and Whitney both had 3-4 game stints at LW on the 4th line.

But he also has brought up he played the best hockey of his career under Therrien.

Mostly it's money.

[Dr. Sak]

Mostly it's money.

That's it right there. Unlike you, most of my other friends thought that everyone that was a FA for the Pens were going to take this elaborate pay cut so that they could all come back next year as the same time. When I told them they were crazy I was laughed at.

Orpik should realize that if he signs with the Pens, Therrien will probably be gone a lot sooner than when his contract would expire.

[Suburban Rhythm]

That's it right there. Unlike you, most of my other friends thought that everyone that was a FA for the Pens were going to take this elaborate pay cut so that they could all come back next year as the same time. When I told them they were crazy I was laughed at.

Orpik should realize that if he signs with the Pens, Therrien will probably be gone a lot sooner than when his contract would expire.

And they are going to all hold hands, sing Kumbaya and make s'mores.

I am glad they are not even considering Malone at this point. Just because someone else might offer him $5M doesn't mean Shero should offer him $4.5

[Dr. Sak]

You're right, Shero has to be smart and if that means taking a step back next year so that he doesn't cripple the team in the future then that is the smart move. They will still make the playoffs, contend, they just might not go as far as this year.

[Suburban Rhythm]

You're right, Shero has to be smart and if that means taking a step back next year so that he doesn't cripple the team in the future then that is the smart move. They will still make the playoffs, contend, they just might not go as far as this year.

Exactly...keeping Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury is key. Then behind them, Whitney, Letang and possibly I'd put Orpik in that "core" group. Malone is a replaceable part. While Orpik could be replaceable, there are alot fewer of his type of player (at least his type from march forward) than there are Malone-types.

[Honolulu_Blue]

An early (unconfirmed) rumor says that the Ducks are going to buyout Todd Bertuzzi. That'd be sweet.

Update: The rumor seems to have been confirmed. Big Bert is on waivers and will be bought out once he clears.

That's awesome.

No idea where he'll end up. Toronto?

Edit: I assume this news will make the Cheif a very happy Ducks fan. Between this and the fact that Neidermayer is coming back next year makes it a very good day in that regard.

[Wolfpack]

So, the new cap: $56.7 million cap and a $40.7 million floor. I know that there were at least a few teams pre-lockout who had team salaries below $40 million.

Yay, strong Canadian/crappy American dollars!!!! You accomplished a lot there, fellas!!!!

Fixed a bit. Quite a bit of irony in that the Canadian teams who were so worried about their financial position several years ago are pretty much the teams that are causing the cap to surge in the last couple of years with their attendance figures.

Also, that $40 million threshold was true post-lockout. Carolina won the Cup in 2006 and I think the payroll at the start of that year was about $28 million before puffing up a little after trading for Weight and Recchi. Now, we're putting up $50 million or so and can't get into the playoffs.

[Draft Dodger]

An early (unconfirmed) rumor says that the Ducks are going to buyout Todd Bertuzzi. That'd be sweet.

Update: The rumor seems to have been confirmed. Big Bert is on waivers and will be bought out once he clears.

That's awesome.

No idea where he'll end up. Toronto?


I can name one place where he certainly wont

[Pyser]

There are apparently 35 million reasons why impending free agent Jaromir Jagr has not responded to Glen Sather's invitation to meet with him regarding a 2008-09 return to Broadway. A reliable third party source yesterday told The Post that his connections in the Czech Republic believe that Jagr has recently received a three-year contract offer for the equivalent of $35M after-tax US dollars from Omsk of the Russian Super League. - the always reliable NY Post

[Maple Leafs]

No idea where he'll end up. Toronto?
He'd be a great pickup on a one-year "prove yourself" type of deal. Can't see them making any sort of commitment to him beyond that.

[Maple Leafs]

He'd be a great pickup on a one-year "prove yourself" type of deal. Can't see them making any sort of commitment to him beyond that.
Although he'd probably have some interesting conversations with Dominic Moore.

[RomaGoth]

I can name one place where he certainly wont

Every team in the NHL if they are smart (of course they are not so he will likely end up on Broadway).

[Pyser]

Sources tell TSN the Philadelphia Flyers and forward Jeff Carter have officially agreed to terms on a three-year, $15 million contract extension.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Sources tell TSN the Philadelphia Flyers and forward Jeff Carter have officially agreed to terms on a three-year, $15 million contract extension.

You can scratch Jeff Carter's name off the list of potential trade bait this weekend. Sources are telling Sportsnet that Carter has agreed to a three-year deal with the Philadelphia Flyers that is believed to pay him no less than $15 million.

Heh. Sportsnet (or was it Sportsdigs? Bsak, CHECK YOUR SOURCES) had this a week ago...

[Pyser]

ha. part of me thought i had read that before.

but another, lazier part of me thought id post just to be safe

[Honolulu_Blue]

ha. part of me thought i had read that before.

but another, lazier part of me thought id post just to be safe

Don't blame you. The lazier part of me wins like 99% of all struggles. He is, pound-for-pound, one of the fiercest forces in world.

[Pyser]

the lazier part of the devils offense won the whole damn season.

[Chief Rum]

An early (unconfirmed) rumor says that the Ducks are going to buyout Todd Bertuzzi. That'd be sweet.

Update: The rumor seems to have been confirmed. Big Bert is on waivers and will be bought out once he clears.

That's awesome.

No idea where he'll end up. Toronto?

Edit: I assume this news will make the Cheif a very happy Ducks fan. Between this and the fact that Neidermayer is coming back next year makes it a very good day in that regard.

Yup, you're right. It's not that I was a Bert hater from the Moore incident. I wasn't. It's just that he was getting paid way too much for what he was contributing. The cap is tight enough as it is. If this means we can re-sign Perry and still have enough cap room to add a solid second line center and Teemu, I couldn't be happier with that.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Tampa trades Pittsburgh a 4th round pick for the negotiating rights to Ryan Malone and Gary Roberts. Maybe Malone is waffling on his flat out refusal to sign pre-July 1.

Not a bad move for Pittsburgh, it essentially gets something for nothing.

There has been talk about the Wings maybe re-signing Bertuzzi. It's all just idle speculation by the local beat writers. Apparently he enjoyed his brief stint in Detroit. I don't know. I'd rather do without the guy. He's got a cloud about him and is a distraction.

Like ML mentioned above, he could make sense at some incentive, small guaranteed money deal, but even then...

[Suburban Rhythm]

This whole Malone/Roberts thing is weird.

Malone flat out said he's refuse to negotiate with anyone before July 1 about 2 weeks ago. Is the situation in Tampa that much more appealing than Columbus?

Roberts wanted out of Florida in 2007, to move closer to Toronto to be near his family. Don't see him signing with Tampa.

And Tampa...if you are making this move, don't you give yourself more than 36 hours to negotiate?

But as HB said, something for nothing--neither of those guys was coming back to Pittsburgh. Now, onto Hossa and Orpik...

[Honolulu_Blue]

This whole Malone/Roberts thing is weird.

Malone flat out said he's refuse to negotiate with anyone before July 1 about 2 weeks ago. Is the situation in Tampa that much more appealing than Columbus?

Roberts wanted out of Florida in 2007, to move closer to Toronto to be near his family. Don't see him signing with Tampa.

And Tampa...if you are making this move, don't you give yourself more than 36 hours to negotiate?

Well, early reports out of Tampa indicate that the Lightning have signed Roberts to a 1 year, $2 million deal and Malone to a long term that "will exceed $30 million".

[DeToxRox]

Well, early reports out of Tampa indicate that the Lightning have signed Roberts to a 1 year, $2 million deal and Malone to a long term that "will exceed $30 million".

Apparently TB is fine with only having Stamkos for 3 seasons. Kid is going to be a star and get Crosby like money if you ask me. Sure, they can let St. Louis go, but this is absurd.

Nice work Mullet.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Apparently TB is fine with only having Stamkos for 3 seasons. Kid is going to be a star and get Crosby like money if you ask me. Sure, they can let St. Louis go, but this is absurd.

Nice work Mullet.

They would at least recoup something from Stamkos if he truly is gone after 3 seasons-- they could either match the offersheet he signs, or let him go for picks.

Malone has played some center in the past, they should move him back there and have him center Roberts and Michel Ouellet, and they can discuss what it was like back in Pittsburgh when they used to win games.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Dola

Alexei Zhitnik waived in Atlanta. That Coburn trade didn't work out so well for them.

Also, I look back at some of this stuff and wonder how some of these guys are still emplyed as GMs. Philly sent (bsak correct me if I am wrong) Freddy Meyer IV + a pick to the Isles for Zhitnik, and them a few weeks later, moved Zhitnik for Coburn. How the hell does Philly turn Freddy Meyer into Braydon Coburn!? :confused:

[Dr. Sak]

I like what Homer has done with this team, he's a good scout and can find some good players. I am hoping that he is right that Eminger needs a change of scenery.

Maybe since Flyer fans were such with such shitty Clarke as GM, we are getting paid back with a good one in Homer.

[Dr. Sak]

According to Sportsnet.ca, the deal is reportedly going to pay Malone $31 Million over 7 years, or an average of $4.43 Million per season.

[Suburban Rhythm]

According to Sportsnet.ca, the deal is reportedly going to pay Malone $31 Million over 7 years, or an average of $4.43 Million per season.

That sounds about right...Martin Erat got $31.5 over 7 a few weeks back.

That said...overpayment. But as alot of these contracts go, while they look monstrous in year one and two, by year 6, assuming the cap keeps rising, it's not a bad hit against the cap.

Still, he'll be 35 the final year of that deal, and has exactly one season over 50 points.

Overpayment but at least $1M a year.

[Simms]

I read something this morning -- I can't remember where, otherwise I'd link it ... but I think was at Kukla's Korner -- that said Malone's dad, Greg, had at one point been a scout for the Penguins, but had been recently "shown the door", which was when the relationship between Ryan and the Pens started breaking down.

And in related news, the Lightning hired Greg Malone as a scout last week.

[Simms]

Here's the source (via KK):

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/2008/06/malone_say_what.shtml

[Suburban Rhythm]

Papa Malone also played for the Penguins in the 80's.

He was let go with the whole Craig Patrick regime. So, that might have been part of it.

Also, part of it might have been that in his three seasons prior to this, Malone was lazy and inconsistent.

[Draft Dodger]

the Avs re-sign Adam Foote (2 years, $3 million per) and John-Michael Liles (4 years, $4 million per). Signing Foote was pretty much a sure thing, but it didn't seem like Liles was coming back. Both of these guys took what seems to be about a million or so less per year to come back to Colorado. I'm pretty excited about these two deals.

The Avs have a pretty good defensive corp shaping up for next year - Foote, Clark, Salei, Leopold, Liles, Hannan. That's about $20 million worth of cap space, so they better be very good.

[Honolulu_Blue]

That sounds about right...Martin Erat got $31.5 over 7 a few weeks back.

That said...overpayment. But as alot of these contracts go, while they look monstrous in year one and two, by year 6, assuming the cap keeps rising, it's not a bad hit against the cap.

Still, he'll be 35 the final year of that deal, and has exactly one season over 50 points.

Overpayment but at least $1M a year.

I think the Malone will be slightly overpaid, but I think anything less than $4.5M would be about right for free agency. He certainly wont be the most overpaid guy in the NHL. Would I rather have Malone or Erat at $4.43? I'd probably say Malone.

The salary level is just about where Pinner is at for Edmonton, I believe. Considering Edmonton had to part with draft picks as well... I don't know. I guess if I had to choose, I'd take Pinner. He has a bit more offensive upside, though, especially for a guy his size, he completely lacks the toughness/physical presence of Malone.

Speaking of the Oil... They trade Matt Greene and Jarret Stoll to L.A. for Visnovksy.

Also, Tampa has acquired the rights for Rolston (for, what, 36 hours?) from Minnesota. It looks like the new ownership in Tampa is really trying to make a statement early on.

[samifan24]

I thought the Oilers front office viewed Jarrett Stoll as a future centerpiece. When did this cease to be the case?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I thought the Oilers front office viewed Jarrett Stoll as a future centerpiece. When did this cease to be the case?


He had concussion problems that kept him out for a long time. He hasn't really been the same since he's come back.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Also, Tampa has acquired the rights for Rolston (for, what, 36 hours?) from Minnesota. It looks like the new ownership in Tampa is really trying to make a statement early on.

And that statement appears to be that you don't need to worry about defense or goaltending to win in this league.

[Pyser]

i cant argue tampas moves. their top 2 lines could easily be

prospal - vinny - st louis
malone - stamkos - rolston


a few weeks ago 4 of those guys werent even on the roster. thats progress in my book.

course all these trading boyle rumors would undo that progress pretty quickly

[Arctic Blast]

I thought the Oilers front office viewed Jarrett Stoll as a future centerpiece. When did this cease to be the case?

He was awful last year. And the problem with Edmonton as a hockey market...you put up one bad year, the Oiler fans will grind you in to dust. They really eat their own in this town.

This makes it obvious that either...a. Edmonton has found someone stupid enough to take Sheldon Souray's contract off their hands or, b. Pitkanen is going to be signed and moved.

[TazFTW]

No Jagr or Avery for NYR? :(

[Logan]

I have no issue with Avery not coming back. He wants too much money and too many years. And from what someone at the Rangers said, he's much more interested in building his acting career than his hockey one.

[Travis]

He was awful last year. And the problem with Edmonton as a hockey market...you put up one bad year, the Oiler fans will grind you in to dust. They really eat their own in this town.

This makes it obvious that either...a. Edmonton has found someone stupid enough to take Sheldon Souray's contract off their hands or, b. Pitkanen is going to be signed and moved.

I'm assuming Pitkanen won't be here to start the season and that he'll be moved as part of a deal for a top two line forward. For the record though, I hate this deal as I was quite hoping Stoll would sign a one year deal (fairly cheap due to how last season went), then the club could make a more informed decision on what to do with him after this season. Never mind that I think Greene was a necessary style player on a D core who's only other "tough" guys are on the wrong side of the age equation.

I'm hoping the domino effect of this turns out a lot better than this deal, but on it's own (not even factoring in the contract ramifications) I'm not a fan of it.