OT field goal problem.

[JMO]

This is the second time this has happened to me. I'm looking for a solution.

<table bgcolor="#ffcc00" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="98%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#d9f4ff">3-3-LR 50 (OT: 11:41) Shawn Rennicke pass completed to WR Jack Parker for 22 yards. The receiver went out of bounds. Tackled by S Tommie Cook. Parker gained 13 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw into double coverage.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#d9f4ff">1-10-LR 28 (OT: 10:56) Shawn Rennicke pass fell incomplete, intended for WR Jack Parker. OLB Lewis Oliveros defended the pass.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#d9f4ff">2-10-LR 28 (OT: 10:50) Shawn Rennicke pass completed to TE Tommy Middleton for 5 yards. Tackled by S Timothy Palumbo. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#d9f4ff">3-5-LR 23 (OT: 10:10) Shawn Rennicke pass completed to WR Carlos White for 18 yards. The receiver went out of bounds. Tackled by S Timothy Palumbo. White gained 8 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#d9f4ff">1-5-LR 05 (OT: 09:40) Richard McElmurry ran a draw inside the left guard for 3 yards. Tackled by DT Roy Summers. </td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#d9f4ff">2-2-LR 02 (OT: 09:17) Dwayne Joyner ran around the left tackle for 1 yard. Tackled by DE Josh Frederick. The ball was fumbled and recovered by LR OLB Ronald Shea to the LR 01.</td></tr></tbody></table>

As you can see, we ran 5 plays in FG range, in OT. I've seen this before several times and have even fumbled the ball on the line before, but recovered.

Is there anyway I can change my gameplan to account for this? It seems that at least from the 5 yard line the FG should be automatic.

Can someone ask Jim about this the next time he answers questions?


I don't feel too bad about losing, as if it comes down to overtime, its basically a coin toss. This seems like an AI flaw though, as I don't see anywhere, were I can determine if we kick a FG in OT.

[Cringer]

A lot of coaches would go for the kick on third down there, that "just in case" call.

To be honest I have never paid attention to if FGs are kicked on 3rd (or sooner) down in OT. If it doesn't happen at all then that is indeed something that should be added.

[JMO]

A lot of coaches would go for the kick on third down there, that "just in case" call.

To be honest I have never paid attention to if FGs are kicked on 3rd (or sooner) down in OT. If it doesn't happen at all then that is indeed something that should be added.


they don't call it at all in my experience. I would assume that most coaches would kick it once they got to the 20 at least. And definitly at the 5.

[Ben E Lou]

Fairly well-known issue. This appears to be a case that was unaccounted for in development. If the score is tied, the kick doesn't come before fourth down unless the game perceives that time is running out, which can lead to even worse results than what you posted above. I got booted from the FOFL playoffs on this little gem this season:

<table bgcolor="#ffcc00" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="98%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#cfefcf"> (4Q: 01:05) Shannon Bucy passed to Chuck Covington for the successful two-point conversion. Mars 28, Charleston 28</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#cfefcf"> (4Q: 00:58) Freddie Savage kicked off 57 yards from the MAR30. Harvey Turner returned the ball 26 yards to the CHA39. Tackled by Brock Carlisle.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#dedfed">Charleston: Pro formation with two tight ends, strength is left. The defense is in a 43 with nickel personnel and 2-deep man-to-man coverage, expecting the pass.
1-10-CHA39 (4Q: 00:51) Brock Marshall pass completed to RB Ellis McConnell for 4 yards. Tackled by CB Aaron Williams.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#000066">Charleston called a time out.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#dedfed">Charleston: Strong formation, strength is right. The defense is in a 43 with nickel personnel and 3-deep zone coverage, expecting the pass.
2-6-CHA43 (4Q: 00:42) Brock Marshall scrambled for 9 yards. Tackled by CB Korey Meyer.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#000066">Charleston called a time out.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#dedfed">Charleston: Pro formation with two tight ends, strength is left. The defense is in a 43 with nickel personnel and 2-deep bump-and-run coverage, keying aggressively on the pass.
1-10-MAR48 (4Q: 00:35) Brock Marshall pass completed to WR Bennie Perkins for 23 yards. Tackled by S Aaron Geran, assisted by ILB Shane Doyle.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#000066">Charleston called a time out.</td></tr> <tr><td align="left" bgcolor="#dedfed">Charleston: I formation with two tight ends, strength is right. The defense is in a 43 and 1-deep, bump-and-run coverage, keying aggressively on the run.
1-10-MAR25 (4Q: 00:24) Ellis McConnell ran around the left tackle for 4 yards. Tackled by S Aaron Geran.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Ben E Lou]

DOLA: In case it isn't clear, in a tie game, we got in field goal range, used our last timeout, then ran the ball. The regulation clock expired, and we lost in overtime. There was an instance in the IHOF (last season, I think) where the same thing happened to my team, but we won it in overtime.

To be clear, it doesn't *always* do this. I haven't quite figured out how the game determines when to kick the last-minute FG. My team won the ECFL Bowl on a third down FG...

<table bgcolor="#ffcc00" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="98%"><tbody><tr> <td align="left" bgcolor="#fdf3bb">Jacksonville: Single-Back formation with trips receivers, strength is left. The defense is in a 43 with goal-line personnel and 2-deep bump-and-run coverage, keying aggressively on the run. Kriewaldt is blitzing.
1-10-ARI16 (4Q: 00:39) Alex Quinonez ran inside the right guard for 1 yard. Tackled by ILB Ryan Lochtefeld. </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left" bgcolor="#fdf3bb">Jacksonville: Strong formation, strength is right. The defense is in a 43 with nickel personnel and 3-deep zone coverage, expecting the pass.
2-9-ARI15 (4Q: 00:30) Alex Quinonez ran inside the right tackle for 3 yards. Tackled by DT Sammy Jagger, assisted by S Henry Panko. </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left" bgcolor="#000066">(4Q: 00:30) Jacksonville called a time out.</td></tr> <tr> <td align="left" bgcolor="#fdf3bb">3-6-ARI12 (4Q: 00:04) Floyd Stuart attempted a 29 yard field goal and succeeded. Jacksonville 24, Arizona 21</td></tr> <tr> <td align="left" bgcolor="#ffcc00">Final Score: Jacksonville Jaguars 24, Arizona Cardinals 21</td></tr></tbody></table>

[jdavidbakr]

Jim has stated that he wants to fix the end-of-half logic, that truly is probably the most frustrating part of the game. I just had a game where I was in FG range near the end of the half and just ran the clock out... also have heard of timeouts called at the end of the half that left time for the kick after the FG (actually every end of half FG seems to leave time for the kick, with the team calling the timeout too early), which was returned for a TD. Hopefully that's a high priority on the next patch/release.

[strickzilla]

bump this just happened to me altho i ended up winning so i shouldnt complain but my heart can take my qb, who had 2 ints already throwing well into fg range