The FOFC Historical Person Draft Thread (Draft Underway!)

[Chief Rum]

Hey everyone,

For those of you following the other thread, this is the official pick thread for the FOC Historical Persaon draft. All picks will be made here, and discussion can be done here as well. This will also continue to be the official sign up thread until we have a full set of drafters.

The goal of this draft is to select 12 historical persons in 12 categories, with no two people on the same time coming from the same historical era. The history of mankind has been broken down into 12 parts as well to create those eras. Once all teams of 12 historical persons have been selected, there will be a public vote thread, which will determine who put together the best team of historical persons.

Here is the original thread, if anyone wants to look at the discussion there.

http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1758050&posted=1#post1758050

Since 12 is the operative number so far in this draft, I think 12 drafters would be ideal. I will put up a list of the current posters whom have expressed interest, as an early potential list of drafters.

Here are the 12 categories for which a historical person will need to be chosen:

Military Leader-- Generals, admirals, warrior kings, this is the category for the fighting man.
Religious Figure-- Religion has had a huge impact on human history; here is where you choose those who figured most prominently there.
Intellectual-- Scientists, inventors, philosophers, anything that took extraordinary use of one's mind to advance human knowledge or expand its applications or appreciation.
Ruler/Diplomatic Leader-- Not all leaders are military leaders, and some are better rulers than fighters. This is for the statesmen and national leaders of note.
Cultural Icon-- Some of the most impactful people in makind's history didn't lead nations or found religions. This is where you put them.
Evil Historical Person (moral evil)-- Not everyone's a saint, and there have been some baddies. To deny their impact on history would be irresponsible.
Good Historical Person (moral good)-- Heroes? Martyrs? Those who sacrificed for the common good, or espoused the traits of well being for all? The truly good-hearted go here.
Scribe-- Writers, poets, whether fictional or non-fictional, go here.
Musician-- From classical to rock and roll to rap, here are the musical artists.
Artist-- Painters, sculptors, whatever other forms of art you can come up with go here.
Sportsmen-- This is a sports board, of course. Top athletes go here.
Women-- You may laugh, but seriously, you know this draft will be dominated by men. This is a category reserved exclusively for women of history.

Each drafter will pick one person from each of the above categories.

Here are the timeline eras. Once again, drafters will only be able to select one person from each era.

2000s-Present Day
1980s-1990s
1960s-1970s
WWII (1939) -1950s
Pre-WWII 20th cent (1901-1939)
1800s
1700s
1600s
Renaissance (1400-1600)
Middle Ages (450-1400)
Classical Age (600 BC-450 AD)
Ancient Times (Pre 600 BC)

Note: I will update the above shortly to also reflect East Asian timelines, which will be roughly similar, especially in recent times, but may be a bit more loose as we go further back in history.

When you make a selection, please state the draft round and selection number in the post, in addition to the category you are selecting for, and the era you wish to use for that person (even if it's self-evident; we should try to be sure). For example:

1.1 Chief Rum, Evil Historical Person, 2000s-Present Day

This will be a snake draft, meaning the draft will go down the draft order one way and come back the other way in the next round, and alternate in that manner. The first drafter will have the top pick, but not pick again until the 24th pick. The last (12th) drafter in the first round will also be the first drafter in the second round, so essentially they get two straight picks.

If you have any questions, please let me know. You can ask in thread or PM me, if you like. If it is during the daytime of the work week, I can only be reached via my work email, as I have no board access there. So please email me at [email protected] if you have any questions.

Incidentally, I also need a non-playing volunteer who has FOFC access in the day time, as I will want someone here who can receive draft lists and keep the draft going in my absence.--bolded this for emphasis.

The prospective player list will be in the next post, and the official draft list the one after that.

Have fun, guys, and feel free to toss in your commentaries as well. This sorta thing is as meant to be a discussion as it is a draft.

I will update the player list as we get confirmations and will put in an official post to kick off the draft after putting in a draft order (randomized).

[Chief Rum]

Official Draft Order

ODD-NUMBERED ROUND DRAFT ORDER (this is the order in odd-numbered rounds)

1. Barkeep49
2. spleen1015
3. Racer
4. LastWhiteSoxFanStanding
5. Render
6. AENeuman
7. Buccaneer
8. Izulde
9. Danny
10. ColtCrazy
11. larrymcg421
12. noop/DaddyTorgo

EVEN-NUMBERED ROUND DRAFT ORDER (this is the order in even-numbered rounds)

1. noop/DaddyTorgo
2. larrymcg421
3. ColtCrazy
4. Danny
5. Izulde
6. Buccaneer
7. AENeuman
8. Render
9. LastWhiteSoxFanStanding
10. Racer
11. spleen1015
12. Barkeep49

THIS IS THE FINAL DRAFT ORDER

[Chief Rum]

Reserved For Official Draft Board

ROUND ONE

1. Barkeep-- Jesus of Nazareth - Religious Figure (Classical Age)
2. spleen-- Alexander the Great - Military Leader (Classical Age)
3. Racer-- Muhammad - Religious Figure (Middle Ages)
4. LWSFS-- William Shakespeare - Scribe (1600s)
5. Render-- Leonardo Da Vinci - Intellectual (Renaissance)
6. AENeuman-- St. Nicholas - Cultural Icon (Classical Age)
7. Buccaneer-- Albert Einstein - Intellectual (Pre-WWII 20th century)
8. Izulde-- Adolf Hitler - Evil Historical Person (WWII - 1950s)
9. Danny-- Augustus Caesar - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (Classical Age)
10. ColtCrazy-- Benjamin Franklin - Intellectual (1700s)
11. larrymcg-- Isaac Newton - Intellectual (1600s)
12. Noop-- Siddhārtha Gautama aka Buddha - Religious Figure (Classical Age)

ROUND TWO

1. Noop-- Imhotep - Intellectual (Ancient Times)
2. larrymcg-- Abraham Lincoln - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1800s)
3. ColtCrazy-- Mahatma Gandhi - Good Historical Person (Pre-WWII 20th century)
4. Danny-- George Washington- Good Historical Person (1700's)
5. Izulde-- Catherine the Great - Woman (1700s)
6. Buccaneer-- Michael Jordan - Sportsman (1980-1999)
7. AENEuman-- Queen Elizabeth - Woman (Renaissance)
8. Render-- Mother Theresa - Good Historical Person (1960-1979)
9. LWSFS-- Michelangelo - Artist (Renaissance)
10. Racer-- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Musician (1700’s)
11. spleen-- Walt Disney - Cultural Icon (Pre-WWII 20th century)
12. Barkeep-- Hammurabi - Intellectual (Ancient Times)

THIRD ROUND

1. Barkeep-- Ghenghis Khan - Millitary Leader (Middle Ages)
2. spleen-- Tutankhamun - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (Ancient Times)
3. Racer-- Homer (Ancient Times) - Scribe
4. LWSFS-- Julius Caesar - Military Leader (Classical Age)
5. Render-- Abraham - Religious Figure (Ancient Times)
6. AENeuman-- Moses - Religious Figure (Ancient Times)
7. Buccaneer-- Napoleon Bonaparte - Military Leader (1800s)
8. Izulde-- Martin Luther King, Jr. - Good Historical Person (1960s-1970s)
9. Danny-- Oprah Winfrey - Cultural Icon (2000s-Present Day)
10. ColtCrazy-- Ramesses II - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (Ancient Times)
11. larrymcg-- Joan of Arc - Woman (Renaissance)
12. Noop-- Joseph Stalin - Evil Historical Person (WWII-1950s)

FOURTH ROUND

1. Noop-- Saladin - Military Leader (Middle Ages)
2. larrymcg-- Hannibal - Military Leader (Classical Age)
3. ColtCrazy-- Charlemagne - Military Leader (Middle Ages)
4. Danny-- Ludwig van Beethoven - Musical (1800's)
5. Izulde-- Babe Ruth - Sportsman (Pre-WWII 20th century)
6. Buccaneer-- Cleopatra - Woman (Classical Age)
7. AENEuman-- Barry Bonds - Sportsman (2000s-Present Day)
8. Render-- Aristotle - Scribe (Classical Age)
9. LWSFS-- Elvis Presley - Musician (1960'-1970's)
10. Racer-- Pablo Picasso - Artist (Pre-WWII 20th century)
11. spleen-- Lisa del Giocondo - Woman (Renaissance)
12. Barkeep-- Theodore Roosevelt - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (Pre-WWII 20th century)

FIFTH ROUND

1. Barkeep-- Nelson Mandela - Good Historical Person (1980's-1990's)
2. spleen-- Jack the Ripper - Evil Historical Person (1800s)
3. Racer-- Harriet Tubman - Good Historical Person (1800s)
4. LWSFS-- Josef Mengele - Evil Historical Person (WWII-1950's)
5. Render-- Diana, Princess of Wales - Woman (1980's-1990's)
6. AENeuman-- "Duke" Ellington - Musician (WWII-1950's)
7. Buccaneer-- John Lennon - Musician (1960's-1970's)
8. Izulde-- King Arthur - Cultural Icon (Middle Ages)
9. Danny-- Muhammad Ali - Sportsman (1960's-1970's)
10. ColtCrazy-- J.K. Rowling - Woman (2000's-Present Day)
11. larrymcg-- Charles Manson, Evil Historical Person (1960's-1970's)
12. Noop-- Thomas Jefferson - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1700's)

SIXTH ROUND

1. Noop-- Marilyn Monroe - Woman (1960's-1970's)
2. larrymcg-- Tiger Woods - Sportsman (2000-Present Day)
3. ColtCrazy-- Judas Iscariot - Evil Historical Person (Classical Age)
4. Danny-- George S. Patton - Military Leader (WWII-1950's)
5. Izulde-- King Louis XIV of France - Ruler/Diplomat (1600's)
6. Buccaneer-- Blackbeard (Edward Teach) - Evil Historical Person (1700's)
7. AENeuman-- St. Francis Assissi - Good Historical Person (Middle Ages)
8. Render-- Bill Gates - Cultural Icon (2000-Present Day)
9. LWSFS-- Robin Hood - Cultural Icon (Middle Ages)
10. Racer-- Galileo Galilei – Intellectual (1600's)
11. spleen-- Geoffrey Chaucer - Scribe (Middle Ages)
12. Barkeep-- Mark Twain - Scribe (1800s)

ROUND SEVEN

1. Barkeep-- Pol Pot - Evil Historical Person (1960's & 1970's)
2. spleen-- Stephen Hawking - Intellectual (1980s-1990s)
3. Racer-- Pelé - Sportsman (1960's-1970's)
4. LWSFS-- Dalai Lama - Religious Figure (2000's-Present Day)
5. Render-- Oliver Cromwell - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1600's)
6. AENeuman-- Robert E. Lee - Military Leader (1800's)
7. Buccaneer-- Ansel Adams - Artist (WWII-Present Day)
8. Izulde-- Vincent Van Gogh - Artist (1800s)
9. Danny-- Rembrandt - Artist (1600's)
10. ColtCrazy-- Martin Luther - Religious Figure (Renaissance)
11. larrymcg-- Johann Sebastian Bach - Musician (1700's)
12. Noop-- Hugh Hefner - Cultural Icon (2000s-Present Day)

ROUND EIGHT

1. Noop-- Joe Louis - Sportsman (1980's-1990's)
2. larrymcg-- Gilgamesh - Cultural Icon (Ancient Times)
3. ColtCrazy-- Charles Dickens - Scribe (1800's)
4. Danny-- Nikola Tesla- Intellectual (Pre-WWII 20th century)
5. Izulde-- Confucius - Intellectual (Classical Age)
6. Buccaneer-- King David of Israel - Cultural Icon (Ancient Age)
7. AENeuman-- Frank Lloyd Wright - Artist (Pre-WWII 20th century)
8. Render-- Frank Sinatra - Musician (WWII-1950's)
9. LWSFS-- Jessie Owens - Sportsman (Pre-WWII 20th century)
10. Racer-- Franklin D Roosevelt - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (WWII-1950's)
11. spleen-- Michael Jackson - Musician (1960's-1970's)
12. Barkeep-- Salvador Dali - Artist (WWII-1950's)

ROUND NINE

1. Barkeep-- Paul Revere - Cultural Icon (1700s)
2. spleen-- Lance Armstrong - Sportsman (2000-Present Day)
3. Racer-- Osama Bin Ladin – Historical Evil Person (2000-Present)
4. LWSFS-- Charles Darwin - Intellectual (1800's)
5. Render-- Ty Cobb - Sportsman (Pre-WWII 20th century)
6. AENeuman-- Mao Ze-Dong - Evil Historical Person (1960's-1970's)
7. Buccaneer-- King Henry VIII of England - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1400's/1500's)
8. Izulde-- Zoroaster - Religious Figure (Ancient Times)
9. Danny-- Stephen King - Scribe (1980's-1990's)
10. ColtCrazy-- Jackie Robinson - Sportsman (WWII-1950's)
11. larrymcg-- St. Thomas Aquinas - Religious Figure (Middle Ages)
12. Noop-- Winston Churchill - Good Historical Person (Pre-WWII 20th century)

ROUND TEN

1. Noop-- Niccolò Machiavelli - Scribe (Renaissance)
2. larrymcg-- Oskar Schindler - Good Historical Person (WWII-1950's)
3. ColtCrazy-- Jimi Hendrix - Cultural Icon (1960's-1970's)
4. Danny-- Vlad the Impaler - Evil Historical Person (Renaissance)
5. Izulde-- Nobuo Uematsu - Musician (1980's-1990's)
6. Buccaneer-- John Winthrop - Religious Figure (1600's)
7. AENeuman-- Miguel de Cervantes - Scribe (1600's)
8. Render-- Maximilian Robespierre - Evil Historical Person (1700's)
9. LWSFS-- Ronald Reagan - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1980's 1990's)
10. Racer-- Jim Henson - Cultural Icon (1980s-1990s)
11. spleen-- Norman Rockwell - Artist (WWII-1950's)
12. Barkeep-- Queen Isabella of Spain - Woman (Renaissance)

ROUND ELEVEN

1. Barkeep-- Antonio Vivaldi - Musician (1600's)
2. spleen-- King James I of England - Religious Figure (1600's)
3. Racer-- Suleiman the Magnificent - Military Leader (Renaissance)
4. LWSFS-- Hatshepsut - Woman (Ancient Times)
5. Render-- William the Conqueror of England - Military Leader (Middle Ages)
6. AENeuman-- George Lucas - Intellectual (1980's-1990's)
7. Buccaneer-- Al Gore - Good Historical Person (2000-Present Day)
8. Izulde-- Mehmet the Conqueror - Military Leader (Renaissance)
9. Danny-- Umar ibn al-Khattab - Religious Figure (Middle Ages)
10. ColtCrazy-- Kurt Cobain - Musician (1980's-1990's)
11. larrymcg-- Ernest Hemingway, Scribe (Pre-WWII 20th century)
12. Noop-- Frédéric Chopin - Musician (1800's)

ROUND TWELVE

1. Noop-- Aniello Falcone - Artist (1600's)
2. larrymcg-- Gary Larson - Artist (1980's-1990's)
3. ColtCrazy-- Christopher Wren - Artist (1600's)
4. Danny-- Nerfititi - Woman (Ancient Times)
5. Izulde-- Junot Diaz - Scribe (2000's-Present Day)
6. Buccaneer-- Rustichello da Pisa - Scribe (Middle Ages)
7. AENeuman-- John Adams - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1700's)
8. Render-- Pierre-Augusta Renior - Artist (1800's)
9. LWSFS-- William Penn - Good Historical Person (1700's)
10. Racer-- Mary of Nazareth (mother of Jesus) - Woman (Classical Age)
11. spleen-- Betsy Ross - Good Historical Person (1700's)
12. Barkeep-- Roger Federer - Sportsman (2000-Present Day)

DRAFT COMPLETE

[Chief Rum]

Note: As of right now the above categories are the ones we will use, but discussion continues in the other thread, and there might be adjustments. But the above is roughly what I expect to have as the final categories/eras, and once the draft starts, it will be final.

If you want to discuss changes to the categories/era breakdown, I encourage you to continue to discuss it in the thread linked to in the first post here. The draft won't start until at least late Monday, so there is plenty of time to offer opinions.

Thanks!

[Danny]

This sounds fun, sign me up!

[Chief Rum]

This sounds fun, sign me up!

Cool, welcome, Danny!

[spleen1015]

I would like to give this one a shot.

[Barkeep49]

I'm confirming.

[larrymcg421]

I'm always up for a good draft.

[Buccaneer]

Confirmed.

I do not have access at work (8-5 MST) but easily available through my work email which I will PM to you. However, I'm only going to be in the office today and tomorrow, then I'm home for 10 days.

[spleen1015]

Question...

I am assuming that there will be folks who can fit into multiple categories. For example, there are many Military Leaders who eventually became Rulers/Diplomats. Is this correct?

[Izulde]

I'll jump in!

[Racer]

I've never done one of these before. I'll play.

[AENeuman]

Ok, I'm in. Gotta beat brother Bucc. it's going to be hard since Bono fits into so many categories.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Is it possible an 8th grade history teacher can participate? :-)

[Racer]

Is it possible an 8th grade history teacher can participate? :-)

You'll whip my butt but I'm sure everyone will be fine with it. Plus you're a White Sox fan. :D

[Racer]

So it looks like there are 12 people now assuming that Noop, Render, and ColtsCrazy confirm.

[Racer]

I have a question about who you can and cannot draft. Can you draft someone like Moses, a historically important person who experts are unsure actually lived?

[spleen1015]

I didn't know that Moses' existence was in question. Maybe some of things he did, but never that he actually existed.

[Racer]

I didn't know that Moses' existence was in question. Maybe some of things he did, but never that he actually existed.

Maybe I'm wrong about his existence. I very well could be. But I think there are fair number of people's existence who are in question (I'm not saying people like Hercules, but people like Moses).

[Racer]

By the way, is it bad that I'm going off a list of great people and leaders from Civilization 4 to determine who to draft? :D

[spleen1015]

By the way, is it bad that I'm going off a list of great people and leaders from Civilization 4 to determine who to draft? :D

ROFL. I know I'm not going to do that. :D

[ColtCrazy]

Racer - stop stealing my ideas. I'm firing up Civ IV after this post. :D More because I'm addicted, but hey, it's got some nice draft picks in there!!

I'm in, btw!

[Danny]

Moses Malone scored over 27,000 points and won three MVP's. I don't really think there is any doubt that he existed.

[RendeR]

I'm in!!!!

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

Is the draft timed?

[DaddyTorgo]

if there's still room/need for peoples i'm in. otherwise i'll have to be content with judging

[Barkeep49]

I didn't know that Moses' existence was in question. Maybe some of things he did, but never that he actually existed.
His is existence is indeed questioned, as there's not a lot of archeological evidence on the Egyptian side to back up the biblical account. There are, of course, many plausible scenarios which potentially corroborate the Exodus story, but his existence is unknown for sure, unlike Jesus or Mohammad.

[Chief Rum]

All right, guys, thanks everyone for the interest. I have updated the player list. Everyone from the other thread confirmed except noop.

noop thought he might have issues with the complexity, though, and I haven't heard back from him. I am going to place him last in the draft order, and DaddyTorgo, if this is okay, I will have you as his alternate. If he backs out, or doesn't respond before the pick comes, you may pick for him and take his spot. Thanks again for your interest.

I'll try to respond to everything above first, finalize everything for the rules, and then I'll come up with the draft order. Looking forward to this. And everyone have fun! :)

[Chief Rum]

Confirmed.

I do not have access at work (8-5 MST) but easily available through my work email which I will PM to you. However, I'm only going to be in the office today and tomorrow, then I'm home for 10 days.

Well, then, that's perfect. Maybe just one day to worry about then. :)

[Chief Rum]

Question...

I am assuming that there will be folks who can fit into multiple categories. For example, there are many Military Leaders who eventually became Rulers/Diplomats. Is this correct?

Yes, that is correct. Different historical persons will sometimes fit into different categories, and where you place them will be a part of your strategy, and an element on which the voters will ideally consider in voting for you.

This is why when you pick a player, you must also state the category you are placing him/her in and what era you are using (even if it is self-evident).

[Chief Rum]

Ok, I'm in. Gotta beat brother Bucc. it's going to be hard since Bono fits into so many categories.

The race to nab Bono will no doubt be a critical one in determining the strongest list. :)

[Chief Rum]

Is it possible an 8th grade history teacher can participate? :-)

Depends. WHat's your current curriculum? ;)

Of course that's fine. Just watch out dropping any sly Civil War opinions around that Bucc guy.

[Chief Rum]

I have a question about who you can and cannot draft. Can you draft someone like Moses, a historically important person who experts are unsure actually lived?

If we are certain that someone did not exist, then he cannot be used. So Captain Ahab, Frodo and Ironman are out (please, don't try to argue for their existence, lol).

But Moses is only someone who may or may not have existed. For instance, there are actually not too many sources that corroborate Jesus' existence. I believe there is only one source outside of The Art of War that makes mention of Sun Tzu. And no one is certain Elvis is dead. :)

Really, if it's rationally possible said historical person existed, he is allowed to be drafted. But keep in mind that the voters themselves may take issue with this, so be prepared for that (I think it's remote, but something to think about).

[Chief Rum]

Is the draft timed?

Ideally it would be, but I myself will be away at work during most days, and won't be able to monitor the thread. I will have someone monitoring the thread for me, and they may take it in hand to move things along. But there's a careful balance between being too lax, and being too Nazi-ish. I'm not going to press unless I have to, but I will encourage everyone to try to check in at least occasionally (and more if you know your pick is coming), and I also very much encourage people to prepare short draft lists if they suspect they will be away when their pick comes up.

I will give short list details in a post below.

[Chief Rum]

All right, the random order has been posted in Post #2, and we're set. Please use the first post for rules and categories and eras, and also for instructions on how to draft.

The alternate moderator will be oliegirl. I will not be available at FOFC during the work week, from around 5:30 a.m. PDT to 5:00 p.m. PDT, so oliegirl will be the one monitoring the pace. Please send all draft lists to BOTH me and oliegirl via PM (if this is what you choose to do).

I cannot post at FOFC, however, I am available. You may email me at [email protected] up until 4 p.m. PDT every work day, and I will respond. Primarily, I make myself available in this way for questions. Draft lists and the like you should keep in PMs, as I cannot do anything with your lists at work.

However, I leave work at 4 p.m. PDT, so if your question is after that time, you should just PM it here and I will get to it when I get home (usually takes about an hour).

I am not setting a deadline for drafting time, and am hoping you will all be on the honor system, and try to at least be present for your picks or send in lists if you think you will not be around. It usually takes a day to establish a pace, so I am not concerned for Day One, but after that, we should try to keep the draft going at a moderate pace. In addition to sending in lists, it is usually a good idea to send a PM to the next drafter to let them know they are up.

And remember, have fun! :)

THE DRAFT HAS NOW BEGUN. BARKEEP HAS THE FIRST PICK

[spleen1015]

Is there a draft order posted some where that I missed? I don't know who to pm after I make my 1st round pick. :)

[Danny]

Post #2

[larrymcg421]

Who will be the first person to screw things up by suggesting a pick?

[Danny]

No one better mention Shia Lebouf. I'm hoping he slips under the radar until it is my turn to pick.

[RendeR]

Hi folks, glad to see this is under way!! I will be out of touch from approximately 12:00 till 2:00 pm today and then again from 7:30 till late late tonight (tennis match) so bear with me if my picks come up in those time periods. I will endeavor to get a list to Bucc and Chief so that my picks won't slow us down too badly.

[DaddyTorgo]

last? I'm in pain Rummy. That gives me the critical sandwich-pick again

[Barkeep49]

Last historical draft I had the first pick as well. It's a lot of pressure. There are many figures who would be fine starts to my team, but I'm going to go with the guy who has had an impact on the most people worldwide.

1.1 Jesus of Nazareth - Religious Figure (Classical Age)

[Dr. Sak]

No one better mention Shia Lebouf. I'm hoping he slips under the radar until it is my turn to pick.

Or Danny Heatley as a power forward!

[Barkeep49]

last? I'm in pain Rummy. That gives me the critical sandwich-pick again
I like the sandwich pick.

[Izulde]

Last historical draft I had the first pick as well. It's a lot of pressure. There are many figures who would be fine starts to my team, but I'm going to go with the guy who has had an impact on the most people worldwide.

1.1 Jesus of Nazareth - Religious Figure (Classical Age)

I figured this was going to be the first pick. :D

[larrymcg421]

Yeah, that's not surprising. I think the Bible and Jesus' birth have both been picked #1 in previous drafts.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, that's not surprising. I think the Bible and Jesus' birth have both been picked #1 in previous drafts.
Which one was his Birth picked one? I picked 4th of July in the historical draft with 1.1

[RendeR]

Yeah, I sort of expected that too, but I have this nagging question of wether jesus himself actually effected that many people? Wasn't it more his followers and the growing legend of jesus and what he did that really effected people more than anything?

Anyway, just thinking out loud I guess. Good solid and safe pick BK, nicely handled for the 1.1

[larrymcg421]

Which one was his Birth picked one? I picked 4th of July in the historical draft with 1.1

Okay, I guess it wasn't #1, but it was one of the first few picks.

[DaddyTorgo]

i don't mind the sandwich pick either. i had it in the literature draft i think.

jesus? really? hmm

(aside) i need to plan out a draft strategy, go back and read the categories and all

[DaddyTorgo]

gonna spend my lunch hour looking at where i think there is the most depth

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, I sort of expected that too, but I have this nagging question of wether jesus himself actually effected that many people? Wasn't it more his followers and the growing legend of jesus and what he did that really effected people more than anything?

Anyway, just thinking out loud I guess. Good solid and safe pick BK, nicely handled for the 1.1
I had one other contender for it, but I felt his pick would be easy to cover in any time period, though Religious figure is fairly easy to pick in any time period post classical. I agree it's safe, but that's OK with me.

[spleen1015]

Checking on one thing then I am making my pick.

[spleen1015]

I compiled a list of folks for this thing yesterday. I had the hardest time finding folks that are within the Classical Age. With that in mind, I am going to make this pick.

1.2 Alexander the Great - Military Leader (Classical Age)

[Buccaneer]

Cool, we're going. Between Matt, olie and my brother emailing me at work today, I should be able to keep up until I get home around 5:30 MST.

[ColtCrazy]

Barkeep - maybe it is the safe pick, but it can't be bad to have Jesus on your side. :D

[Buccaneer]

Oh great, I get a mid-round draft pick again. Who do I have to bribe like Barkeep does in order to have a high draft pick? :)

[oliegirl]

Racer is on the clock

[Racer]

1.3 Muhammad - Religious Figure (Middle Ages)

I was debating between him and two other guys, but I think religion will be the hardest of the three categories to fill.

[DaddyTorgo]

nice pick Racer. i had slight hopes of him falling.

i think people might be overestimating religion though - i can think of several other time periods where there were significant religious figures...but then again i need to do my little "depth" type thing.

[Racer]

nice pick Racer. i had slight hopes of him falling.

i think people might be overestimating religion though - i can think of several other time periods where there were significant religious figures...but then again i need to do my little "depth" type thing.

Thanks. I'll keep mum about the other two guys I was thinking about drafting until they've been drafted. I'm guessing both will be off the board by the time I draft again.

[ColtCrazy]

Good pick Racer. I agree with Daddy, there's some good ones left, but Muhammad would have been 2nd on my religious list too.

[Izulde]

Great picks for 1.2 and 1.3. I'm hoping the picks fly off the board in the next ten minutes so I can get my 1st round pick in before work and have a second round strategy in place. :D

[spleen1015]

There was someone else I was thinking about taking #1. Here's to hoping they stick around for #2! :)

[Barkeep49]

nice pick Racer. i had slight hopes of him falling.

i think people might be overestimating religion though - i can think of several other time periods where there were significant religious figures...but then again i need to do my little "depth" type thing.
I think Religion will be hard, but I think there are some good early and late picks there.

[Racer]

Am I supposed to PM the next person after I've drafted?

[oliegirl]

Am I supposed to PM the next person after I've drafted?

You don't have to, it's not stated in rules. But if you do, please post it here so I don't PM them as well. I was going to give LWFS another 10 minute so and them PM him

[DaddyTorgo]

awww man, is this going to be speedy-mcdraft?

[oliegirl]

PM sent to LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

WIll do my pick in the next 5 minutes

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

1.4 shakespeare 1600s, scribe sorry for the delay!

[RendeR]

1.4 shakespeare 1600s. sorry for the delay!



I assume this is the scribe category? don;t forget all the labels =)


good pick, ya bastard =)

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Yeah for the scribe category, now to actually plan things for the next pick, that might be a nice thing to do

[Racer]

1.4 shakespeare 1600s, scribe sorry for the delay!

Good pick. He was one of the other people I was considering with my pick.

[Noop]

So who do I send my list too?

[RendeR]

1.5 Leonardo Da Vinci, 1400-1600 (Renessaence), Intellectual

[Racer]

So who do I send my list too?

Looks like OlieGirl. I think you only have to send a list if you're going to be unavailable for long periods of time.

[RendeR]

I'll be out till 2pm but I don;t think we'll get to 2.8 before that anyway.

[oliegirl]

Looks like OlieGirl. I think you only have to send a list if you're going to be unavailable for long periods of time.

Yep, if you are going to be away for a long time, please PM your list to myself and ChiefRum

AENeuman is up, I've emailed Bucc (per his request) to let him know he's next after AE.

[ColtCrazy]

I really can't argue any of the picks so far, some great choices. I may be the first head scratch choice knowing me.

[Noop]

Depending on how much time passes until my pick I don't think will be here but I will try to stick around.

[AENeuman]

1.6 St. Nicholas, Cultural Icon, Classical Age

Like all other icons it's the myths other people create about them that makes them iconic

[spleen1015]

Is it bad that I don't know who St. Nicholas is?

[Racer]

Is it bad that I don't know who St. Nicholas is?

Santa Claus.

[AENeuman]

Is it bad that I don't know who St. Nicholas is?

Well, this is not off to a good start...

[Noop]

I'll admit there have been some strong choices. My initial pick is gone and my second pick surprisingly has already been chosen.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I'll admit there have been some strong choices. My initial pick is gone and my second pick surprisingly has already been chosen.

Mind sharing which two people you had in mind?

[oliegirl]

Alright guys, I'm heading out to run some errands...I'll be gone a couple of hours. Bucc is on the clock, after him is Izulde (I have a couple of picks from him if he's not around), Danny, ColtCrazy, LarryMcG, and Noop/DT...please keep it going at a quick pace if possible. If anyone needs me, you can catch me on Yahoo IM - mobilejal0430, I'm logged in on my phone all the time

[ColtCrazy]

My top 2 choices are still alive, but admittedly, I had ruled out people like Jesus, Shakespeare, and Muhammad because I didn't think any of them would last to #10.


St. Nick is a great iconic choice.

[Noop]

Mind sharing which two people you had in mind?

Alexander the Great and my surprise pick was Saint Nicholas. I really thought St. Nicholas was going to be around for my pick.

[spleen1015]

Oh shit. Dumbass attack.

Santa Claus jackass. Got it.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaaah okay. so are you in the draft then noop?

going to assume that you are which means i don't have to make my spreadsheet for it and start thinking of picks.

guess i'll be the sage voice of judgement!

[Noop]

aaaah okay. so are you in the draft then noop?

going to assume that you are which means i don't have to make my spreadsheet for it and start thinking of picks.

guess i'll be the sage voice of judgement!

The pace of the draft is really dragging and in an hour I have to go to my LSAT class so I might not be able too. In fact if you really want to do it by all means I will step aside because I won't be around to post until 9 or 10 at the latest.

[AENeuman]

Ok, here is the pick for Bucc:

1.7 - 1901-1939: Intellectual - Albert Einstein

[Danny]

I sent Izulde a pm telling him he was up since Oliegirl is out

[DaddyTorgo]

it's okay - you can do it noops. just submit your pick, or a list of a couple possible picks ranked to someone (even me via PM if you want) and they can be posted while you're gone.

i think if people want to go this route though they should probably post in-thread who they sent their list to -- so there's no confusion

[RendeR]

I've been gone 3 hours and we've had TWO picks?? =) come on people =)

[RendeR]

Dola to get the 100th post in thread....

[AENeuman]

1.5 Leonardo Da Vinci, 1400-1600 (Renessaence), Intellectual

I was wondering where Da Vinci was going to go. Here's a guy that painted the most famous painting of all time (and probably the second most), and yet as an inventor/scientist he still a good choice.

[RendeR]

This is going to take weeks at this rate.....

[Racer]

This is going to take weeks at this rate.....

Yeah, this is going really slow.

[ColtCrazy]

True, the first day is the worst though. Hopefully by tonight things will pick up a lot.

[Izulde]

Here now! I PM'ed oliegirl my picks but evidently she's not back yet.

Making selection now. :)

[Izulde]

1.8 Adolf Hitler - Evil Historical Person, World War II era

What more needs to be said? The one man I can think of that is universally hated the world over, save for perhaps a few fringe extremists. Directly responsible for the murder of millions, indirectly responsible for the deaths and shattered lives of countless more.

[RendeR]

1.8 Adolf Hitler - Evil Historical Person, World War II era

What more needs to be said? The one man I can think of that is universally hated the world over, save for perhaps a few fringe extremists. Directly responsible for the murder of millions, indirectly responsible for the deaths and shattered lives of countless more.


Indeed, he is an excellent pick in a few categories actually. I knew he wouldn't make it out of round 1.

[spleen1015]

No surprises to me or head scratchers. Who makes the first 'WTF?' pick?

[DaddyTorgo]

well that was one of noop's picks that he PM'd to me, so you all might end up waiting on him to get back.

[Barkeep49]

Hitler was someone I considered for #1 since I think he's a tad above everyone else who could be an Evil Historical Person.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hitler was someone I considered for #1 since I think he's a tad above everyone else who could be an Evil Historical Person.

Oh there's plenty of others

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm looking forward to making my undrafted team at the end of this all

[oliegirl]

I'm back, hope you didn't have to wait too long for Izulde...sorry! Danny is on the clock with Colts, LarryMcG and Nooop/DT after that...please have your picks ready so we can start to move this along :)

[DaddyTorgo]

olie - it's Noop. I have one of his two picks (the other was taken) so i will PM it to you

[oliegirl]

Someone had PM'd me a question regarding taking "teams" of people, I emailed Chief to get the answer, I've answered Spleen privately but figured I'd post something here as well.

Teams of people will not be allowed. All picks must be done separately - one person per pick. If you have any questions, post them here or pm Chief and I.

[Danny]

1.9 Augustus Caesar- Ruler/Diplomatic Leader, Classical Age (600 BC-450 AD)

[ColtCrazy]

1.10 Benjamin Franklin - Intellectual - 1700s

IMO, it's impossible to underestimate Franklin's importance to the founding of America. He could have easily been listed as a Diplomat for his numerous contributions the colonies from the Albany Pact to his dealings with France. You could even argue his abilities as a scribe because of his wit and wisdom in his publishing endeavors. However, Franklin is my Intellectual choice. The Franklin Stove, the lightning rod, his founding of libraries in Philadelphia. He was a true genius, and my personal favorite lesson to teach during US History.

[RendeR]

Interesting, Augustus wasn't on my radar. Who's next? =)

[RendeR]

I like the Franklin pick. Maybe a little USA-centric? I dunno. but its a decent pick even so.

[RendeR]

Is anyone updating a post in this thread or another one with the round by round picks?

[Danny]

Interesting, Augustus wasn't on my radar. Who's next? =)

A lot of great picks out there, but Augustus to me was the strongest pick in that particular category. Julius Caesar was a better military leader, but Augustus was the more responsible for the Rome dynasty which shaped all of Europe and the future of civilization.

[Danny]

If Noops didnt send in enough picks then we are done for the day :(. Any chance we can get daddytargo to make a pick for him to keep us moving?

[larrymcg421]

1.11 - Isaac Newton, Intellectual, 1600s

[spleen1015]

If Noops didnt send in enough picks then we are done for the day :(. Any chance we can get daddytargo to make a pick for him to keep us moving?

I don't have a problem with this. We're moving along at the moment.

[oliegirl]

If Noops didnt send in enough picks then we are done for the day :(. Any chance we can get daddytargo to make a pick for him to keep us moving?

I have his pick, I'm just waiting for "final clarification" on something...will post asap :)

[Racer]

I'm out until about 7 pm guys. I sent Oliegirl and Chief Rum a 11 person list.

[oliegirl]

I have Noop's pick, but I didn't get a category to put it in...at this point I don't think that matter, so if it's OK with you guys, I'll post it now and add the category later...that will help keep the draft moving. Post in the next 3 or 4 minutes if you have a problem with that.

[Danny]

Olie, you have both of his picks?

[oliegirl]

Olie, you have both of his picks?

Crap, no, I only have one... :rant: :banghead:

[RendeR]

That should be fine Olie, its the person that matters to everyone else. he can put them in whatever category he wants. We can't use the person either way.

[spleen1015]

That should be fine Olie, its the person that matters to everyone else. he can put them in whatever category he wants. We can't use the person either way.

He has back to back picks and she only has one of them...

[Danny]

Yeah, that's definitely fine. I just would like it if we weren't done for the day because he didn't send in any backups.

[Danny]

Drafts like these need to keep momentum going.

[RendeR]

He has back to back picks and she only has one of them...



OOoops =)

[oliegirl]

DT is at a party, he posted in the WW thread that he is out for a while. Hopefully he won't be gone too long. If any of you are going to be gone for more than an hour or two tomorrow, please PM me a list of your picks so we can keep the momentum going and get through a couple rounds.

[RendeR]

I will be out from 7:30-ish till probably 11pm or later tonight but I will definitely be back to keep tihngs moving.

At this rate I doubt we'll be to my pick again anyway =)

[Izulde]

I'll be gone from noon-5 tomorrow but I'll definitely have picks mailed in.

[Racer]

No new picks? Dang.

[Buccaneer]

I'm home. Who's up?

[Racer]

I'm home. Who's up?

Noop has back to back picks.

[Buccaneer]

I thought we'd be further along.

AE told me about the DaVinci pick. Personally, I don't weigh the categories in these games as strongly as other do, so you can't go wrong having DaVinci on your list. However, in a draft like this, we do have to be historically accurate, which makes it sort of challenging when a person covers two different eras.

[oliegirl]

I'm heading out to dinner, CR will probably be checking in by the time I get home, hopefully we'll be able to make more progress tomorrow...

:)

[Chief Rum]

Might be a good idea to change the thread name. I thought ya'll were still signing up and missed some action!

Yeah, saw the thread title when I checked in, and did the ole forehead slap on that one. Changed now. :)

[Buccaneer]

You got picks to post...?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm surprised that Dany Heatley hasn't been picked yet.

[Chief Rum]

Is anyone updating a post in this thread or another one with the round by round picks?

I am updating right now, but I may need to hand olie the keys to my login to make updates while I am away. We'll see how things are going, and I'll figure it out.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I do not have noop's first pick, but olie has that. Be sure to include both olie and me on pick PMs, everyone, so we can both help move the draft along.

noop said he would be out until 9, and he lives on the East Coast, which makes it 9 right now. Hopefully we will hear from him soon.

[Chief Rum]

Reserved For Official Draft Board

ROUND ONE

1. Barkeep-- Jesus of Nazareth - Religious Figure (Classical Age)
2. spleen-- Alexander the Great - Military Leader (Classical Age)
3. Racer-- Muhammad - Religious Figure (Middle Ages)
4. LWSFS-- William Shakespeare - Scribe (1600s)
5. Render-- Leonardo Da Vinci - Intellectual (Renaissance)
6. AENeuman-- St. Nicholas - Cultural Icon (Classical Age)
7. Buccaneer-- Albert Einstein - Intellectual (Pre-WWII 20th century)
8. Izulde-- Adolf Hitler - Evil Historical Person (WWII - 1950s)
9. Danny-- Augustus Caesar - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (Classical Age)
10. ColtCrazy-- Benjamin Franklin - Intellectual (1700s)
11. larrymcg-- Isaac Newton - Intellectual (1600s)
12. noop-- CURRENTLY DRAFTING



This is a copy of Post #3, the running draft board. At this point, these are the picks that have been made.

[Chief Rum]

You got picks to post...?

Unfortunately, no. I wasn't PM'd with noop's picks (I did get Racer's, thanks Racer).

I knew the first day would be a little hit and miss as people get into the groove of things. Hopefully this will get people working on lists so we can keep things moving as much as possible. And definitely a good idea to send in a much longer list than is likely needed. If you send in just enough picks for your own, you risk that one of your choices may be taken before the draft gets to you, and then we get a hold up.

[Buccaneer]

This morning, I made a matrix showing Chief's categories across the top and the eras down the side. I then, off the top of my head, filled in about 25 cells with what I thought were the obvious/best picks. It looks like that 8 (out of the 11 picks) are already gone. Nice work (including you, Izulde ;) ). The matrix also made me realize were categories/eras I believe are going to be tough and which one are going to be throwaways.

[Chief Rum]

This morning, I made a matrix showing Chief's categories across the top and the eras down the side. I then, off the top of my head, filled in about 25 cells with what I thought were the obvious/best picks. It looks like that 8 (out of the 11 picks) are already gone. Nice work (including you, Izulde ;) ). The matrix also made me realize were categories/eras I believe are going to be tough and which one are going to be throwaways.

Yeah, I wondered how that would play out. I figured the eras would change some approaches, and overvalue some categories and undervalue others. I haven't done any such layouts, because I want to be surprised by the choices you guys make, but I figured to see some interesting decisions.

[oliegirl]

Chief, I was going to make a spreadsheet of picks and keep it updated throughout the draft...if I can figure out how to post that here, then we can use that and you don't have to give me your username/pw info - really don't want to go there if we don't have to :)

[Noop]

I am here I will make my picks in a few.

[Noop]

1.12 - Siddhārtha Gautama aka Buddha, Religious Figure; Classical Age

[Buccaneer]

1.12 - Siddhārtha Gautama aka Buddha, Classical Age

That's one more off my list.

But what category?

[oliegirl]

And don't forget you also have pick 2.1 Noop...

[Noop]

I have a question about my next pick because it is around the same time.

[Izulde]

This morning, I made a matrix showing Chief's categories across the top and the eras down the side. I then, off the top of my head, filled in about 25 cells with what I thought were the obvious/best picks. It looks like that 8 (out of the 11 picks) are already gone. Nice work (including you, Izulde ;) ). The matrix also made me realize were categories/eras I believe are going to be tough and which one are going to be throwaways.

:D Glad to know you approve.

Actually, I was -really- glad Hitler fell to me, because my own moral philosophy is such that it's really hard for me to think of people as good or evil. Hitler is one of the few exceptions in that regard.

[Buccaneer]

I asked because Buddha has been and still is also one of the world's greatest cultural icons.

[Noop]

2.1 - Imhotep, Intellectual, Ancient Times

[Buccaneer]

Anyone who goes Ancient Egypt is very, very cool to me.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I was going to make a spreadsheet of picks and keep it updated throughout the draft...if I can figure out how to post that here, then we can use that and you don't have to give me your username/pw info - really don't want to go there if we don't have to :)

Yeah, was just tossing crap against the wall. I didn't really figure I would go that far. I was actually thinking that you could just copy my draft board every morning in your own post and update it as we go along.

But, yeah, a spreadsheet works, too. ;)

[Izulde]

Imhotep as an Intellectual? I've heard the name before, but I don't remember his accomplishments. Can someone enlighten me? :)

[Buccaneer]

You know those tall pointy things they have in Egypt? :)

[Izulde]

You know those tall pointy things they have in Egypt? :)

The ones the aliens built? :D ;)

[larrymcg421]

I have a question. Just noticed something. There is no 50s-60s category. Shoudl we make it 50s-70s or are we just not taking people from the 50s?

[Buccaneer]

I have a question. Just noticed something. There is no 50s-60s category. Shoudl we make it 50s-70s or are we just not taking people from the 50s?

I got the "WW2" category covering 1939-1959.

[larrymcg421]

OK, my bad. For some reason I just read that as 1950.

Picking shortly...

[larrymcg421]

2.2 Abraham Lincoln, Ruler/Diplomatic Leader, 1800's

[ColtCrazy]

Nice pick Larry...I had been thinking about Lincoln. I knew he wouldn't fall for long.

My pick coming up...

[ColtCrazy]

2.3 Mahatma Gandhi - Good Historical Person - Pre-WWII 1901-1939

My 2nd pick is also my 2nd versatile person. Gandi could fit into 2 eras and possibly 3 categories. His accomplishments speak for themselves, not to mention his influence on others that will appear in this draft.

[Greyroofoo]

Isn't Imhotep from the Mummy movies?

If so you got my vote!

[Greyroofoo]

I'm surprised Gandhi didn't go earlier, since I sometimes hear his name used as a verb for good acts.

[Izulde]

2.3 Mahatma Gandhi - Good Historical Person - Pre-WWII 1901-1939

My 2nd pick is also my 2nd versatile person. Gandi could fit into 2 eras and possibly 3 categories. His accomplishments speak for themselves, not to mention his influence on others that will appear in this draft.

What's interesting is I have the impression there's some controversy surrounding Ghandi. For most people though, I agree, there's definitely a perception of him as a good historical person.

[Buccaneer]

What's interesting is I have the impression there's some controversy surrounding Ghandi. For most people though, I agree, there's definitely a perception of him as a good historical person.

Yes there is (some controversy) but perception seems to rule.

[AENeuman]

larry- debated st nick or abe for first round, good grab

colt good group, picking diplomat limits him to post ww2, which was his political peak

[ColtCrazy]

Yes there is (some controversy) but perception seems to rule.

I don't disagree with that, obviously there's some controversy surrounding him...but he's generally perceived as good, so he fit there. I figured I'd use him there or cultural icon.

[Buccaneer]

I don't disagree with that, obviously there's some controversy surrounding him...but he's generally perceived as good, so he fit there. I figured I'd use him there or cultural icon.

It is a very nice pick, imo.

[ColtCrazy]

larry- debated st nick or abe for first round, good grab

colt good group, picking diplomat limits him to post ww2, which was his political peak

Dola - that was his 3rd category, and yeah, that would have changed by era. There's too many other possibilities for that era, so I wanted to go with his strengths in the other.

I'm having a ball doing this, btw. A lot of fun seeing all the picks. Can't wait to see how things look after everyone has 5-6 picks.

[Danny]

2.4 George Washington- Good Historical Person, 1700's

[RendeR]

Who's Up??

[Buccaneer]

2.4 George Washington- Good Historical Person, 1700's

Hmmm...interesting category.

[Buccaneer]

I debated Abe or Washington with my 1st pick but saw that the ancients were going off the board. I still debate with myself if Washington was not America's greatest ruler.

[Izulde]

Picking now.

[RendeR]

I debated Abe or Washington with my 1st pick but saw that the ancients were going off the board. I still debate with myself if Washington was not America's greatest ruler.


Actually only 1 ancient era person has been taken right? Imhotep?

The rest were all classical. I'm finding the Ancient era to be quite trying when it comes to finding quality persons.

[Buccaneer]

Picking now.

You're going to go with a Scribe, aren't you? :)

[Izulde]

2.5 Catherine the Great - Women, 1700s

A brilliant woman in an arena traditionally dominated by men, she skillfully navigated a turbulent Russian political arena to emerge as undisputed monarch. She doubled Russia's size during her reign and was a great patron of the arts. Truly one of the great rulers in history, as well as one of the most powerful women in history.

[Izulde]

You're going to go with a Scribe, aren't you? :)

Nope. :D

[Buccaneer]

Actually only 1 ancient era person has been taken right? Imhotep?

The rest were all classical. I'm finding the Ancient era to be quite trying when it comes to finding quality persons.

I lump the Classical era into Ancient since many describe pre-Middle Age as the "Ancient" age (i.e. Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, etc.).

[RendeR]

I lump the Classical era into Ancient since many describe pre-Middle Age as the "Ancient" age (i.e. Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, etc.).

yeah but based on teh rules we can't do that =) its causing me no end of difficulty =) but I think I have a good one for that. I'm hoping it lasts for a couple more rounds though.

[RendeR]

2.5 Catherine the Great - Women, 1700s

A brilliant woman in an arena traditionally dominated by men, she skillfully navigated a turbulent Russian political arena to emerge as undisputed monarch. She doubled Russia's size during her reign and was a great patron of the arts. Truly one of the great rulers in history, as well as one of the most powerful women in history.


very interesting pick in a time period with so many men available. nice strategy there I tihnk.

[RendeR]

NEXT!!!

[Buccaneer]

2.6 Michael Jordan - Sportsmen, 1980-1999

With so many "best of" still remaining, it was hard to choose. I went with what many pick as the greatest athlete of all time.

[Chief Rum]

Some neat picks so far. I would offer opinions, but as the moderator, I don't want to have the appearance of being impartial. ;)

I need to start thinking about my "left off" list for when you guys are done drafting. :)

[Buccaneer]

yeah but based on teh rules we can't do that =) its causing me no end of difficulty =) but I think I have a good one for that. I'm hoping it lasts for a couple more rounds though.

Yeah, but with Jesus, Caesar, Alexander, St Nick and arguably, Mohammad, going early, I call those the ancients and tend to be what many were thinking of in the 1st round.

[Racer]

2.3 Mahatma Gandhi - Good Historical Person - Pre-WWII 1901-1939

My 2nd pick is also my 2nd versatile person. Gandi could fit into 2 eras and possibly 3 categories. His accomplishments speak for themselves, not to mention his influence on others that will appear in this draft.

I almost took him with the 3rd pick overall. :D

[RendeR]

2.6 Michael Jordan - Sportsmen, 1980-1999

With so many "best of" still remaining, it was hard to choose. I went with what many pick as the greatest athlete of all time.


You bastard =)

[Racer]

Dola, if I would have drafted him, I was going to put him in the Cultural Icon category.

[RendeR]

Ok, where is 2.7? I want to get my next pick in so I can go to bed =)

[RendeR]

though we might get through to 3.5 since everyone is here
I shall be patient

[Buccaneer]

Ok, where is 2.7? I want to get my next pick in so I can go to bed =)

He was here a minute ago. I'll email him...

[AENeuman]

2.7 Queen Elizabeth, Woman, Renaissance

I heard she got around

[RendeR]

2.8 Mother Theresa, Good Human Being, 1960-1979

[RendeR]

Woohoo, lets keep rolling people!!!!

[Buccaneer]

I had the good Mother in my matrix but in the later era. Guess either one would work.

[spleen1015]

I hope WhiteSox sent in a list. :)

[spleen1015]

I had the good Mother in my matrix but in the later era. Guess either one would work.

I had her in the era she was picked in since that is when she really started her business.

[Danny]

Hmmm...interesting category.

A great general, a great ruler, An American hero and by all accounts a great man. I think the category fits him well.

[Buccaneer]

A great general, a great ruler, An American hero and by all accounts a great man. I think the category fits him well.

I agree it fits but I don't think it would be the category most/some voters would think of.

[ColtCrazy]

2.8 Mother Theresa, Good Human Being, 1960-1979

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Damn you! Great pick. :) She could realistically fit into 4 different categories. Excellent choice.

[RendeR]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Damn you! Great pick. :) She could realistically fit into 4 different categories. Excellent choice.


precisely why i spent my 2nd pick on her. She was simply too good to pass up.:D

[Racer]

precisely why i spent my 2nd pick on her. She was simply too good to pass up.:D

Are we allowed to change someone's category after they've been drafted as long as it actually fits?

[spleen1015]

I guess I was a little naive to think that some of these folks were going to be around when it got back to me.

My original #1 pick is still there, but I think I have a new person for their category. :)

[spleen1015]

Are we allowed to change someone's category after they've been drafted as long as it actually fits?

I hope not. That is part of the strategy.

[spleen1015]

I hope we don't stall here. I am too excited to go to bed!

[Buccaneer]

I hope not. That is part of the strategy.

I imagine not. ;)

[Chief Rum]

I hope WhiteSox sent in a list. :)

Unfortunately, he did not. Although give the pace earlier, not sure I fault him for thinking he would be in the clear til morning. Just hammers in to send in lists. :)

[Izulde]

2.8 Mother Theresa, Good Human Being, 1960-1979

I considered her for my 3rd round pick.

[Chief Rum]

Are we allowed to change someone's category after they've been drafted as long as it actually fits?

That would be a no. :D

Call it as you play it, and it's cast in stone from there forward.

[Buccaneer]

That's too bad, it appears that 7 of us are here right now. :(

[RendeR]

NEXT!!!!

[Chief Rum]

That's too bad, it appears that 7 of us are here right now. :(

We could just give him Carlton Fisk or Frank Thomas for Sportsmen and move on. :D

[Buccaneer]

We could just give him Carlton Fisk or Frank Thomas for Sportsmen and move on. :D

You're cruel.

[Chief Rum]

You're cruel.

Hey, I could have said Scott Posednik or Bobby Thigpen. At least with Fisk/Thomas he would be getting a HoFer/likely HoFer. :)

[spleen1015]

I think he's appreciate Lance Johnson the most.

[Izulde]

Hey, I could have said Scott Posednik or Bobby Thigpen. At least with Fisk/Thomas he would be getting a HoFer/likely HoFer. :)

Don't remind me of that Podsednik deal. :mad:

Oh well, I really like this year's lineup and was ecstatic when we got Nick Swisher.

[RendeR]

*sigh* I think we're boned until morning

[Chief Rum]

I think he's appreciate Lance Johnson the most.

In honor of LWSFS, I say we turn this into a shady White Sox thread until he returns and makes his pick.

I say, where have you gone, Britt Burns?

[spleen1015]

DAN PASQUA!

[Chief Rum]

Don't remind me of that Podsednik deal. :mad:

Oh well, I really like this year's lineup and was ecstatic when we got Nick Swisher.

If it makes you feel any better, you have your closer because my dumbass team waived him to make room for a trade deadline acquisition of Alex Ochoa or some such nonsense.

[Chief Rum]

DAN PASQUA!

Pasqua. That's a good one. Hey, hey, how about Vance Law!

[spleen1015]

Err... Daryl Boston

[spleen1015]

I don't actually remember these playing for the White Sox. I just remember their baseball cards. :D

[spleen1015]

1986 TOPPS!
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/daryl_boston_autograph.jpg

[Chief Rum]

I don't actually remember these playing for the White Sox. I just remember their baseball cards. :D

Daryl Boston played with the Sox? Heh...I don't even remember that.

But, I'm nothing special. I was drawing a blank until I went to baseballreference.com. :)

I used to think Black Jack McDowell was awesome.

[Chief Rum]

1986 TOPPS!
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/daryl_boston_autograph.jpg

See, now that's when men were men, and they weren't afraid to wear cool uniforms to show it off.

[Izulde]

If it makes you feel any better, you have your closer because my dumbass team waived him to make room for a trade deadline acquisition of Alex Ochoa or some such nonsense.

And I thank you for that, because Bobby Jenks is my favorite player on the team. :)

[spleen1015]

Alright. I've got to go to bed.

Later homies!

Ron Karkovice!

[Chief Rum]

And I thank you for that, because Bobby Jenks is my favorite player on the team. :)

You know he's crazy, right? It's one of the reasons I liked him, even as a prospect before getting to the bigs. (100 mph fastball plus not certain control plus crazy == mucho mucho entertainment)

[ColtCrazy]

same here, I'm too far down to get back to me tonight. I'll check in the morning.

[Chief Rum]

Alright. I've got to go to bed.

Later homies!

Ron Karkovice!

I can't top that.

[Chief Rum]

same here, I'm too far down to get back to me tonight. I'll check in the morning.

That's probably what LWSFS thought.

(j/k...I am sure you're right).

[Izulde]

You know he's crazy, right? It's one of the reasons I liked him, even as a prospect before getting to the bigs. (100 mph fastball plus not certain control plus crazy == mucho mucho entertainment)

Oh I know! I -love- seeing the radar gun pop triple digits. Of course it was most enjoyable seeing it in the World Series. :devil:

[hoopsguy]

Alright. I've got to go to bed.

Later homies!

Ron Karkovice!

Hideously ugly ballplayer. And, as an extra added bonus, lived in the same gated community as my mom back in the early 90s.

[hoopsguy]

I can't top that.

Jerry Dybzinski

[sabotai]

Aside from Imhotep (best pick so far IMO) and Catherine The Great, the second round has pretty much stunk so far.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I sit at my computer staring at the monitor all day while eating generic corn chips. Nothing. I go out to see a movie and all hell breaks loose! I appreciate the references although I am a bit saddened to see no references to Ron Kittle. If there was a category for best slugger with glasses, oh wait that would be Reggie Jackson, but he would be a close second.

2.9 Michelangelo artist rennaisance

Although there are other people who I could have picked. I Just cannot resist the shakespeare michelangelo combo. The Sistine Chapel, David, the Pieta are but a few of his great works. His mark on art and world history cannot be denied. Well it could be, but it wouldnt be wise to do so.

[Izulde]

I sit at my computer staring at the monitor all day while eating generic corn chips. Nothing. I go out to see a movie and all hell breaks loose! I appreciate the references although I am a bit saddened to see no references to Ron Kittle. If there was a category for best slugger with glasses, oh wait that would be Reggie Jackson, but he would be a close second.

2.9 Michelangelo artist middle ages

Although there are other people who I could have picked. I Just cannot resist the shakespeare michelangelo combo. The Sistine Chapel, David, the Pieta are but a few of his great works. His mark on art and world history cannot be denied. Well it could be, but it wouldnt be wise to do so.

Errr, Michaleangelo is Renaissance, not Middle Ages.

[Noop]

Crap. That was one of my later picks.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

your right. its late. ill change it to rennaissance

[Chief Rum]

I have a list from Racer...

2.10 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Musician (1700’s)

spleen's up next. And I am probably gone until tomorrow night. Good luck everyone!