Survivor Gabon premieres... when?

[tyketime]

I could have sworn I heard Survivor Gabon started tonight (Sept 18), but when I just went and looked online, the listings show it premiering next week instead. Can anyone confirm whether it was delayed or perhaps my original intel was bad.:confused:

[saldana]

bad original intel i think...it is in the DTV program guide for next week, 2 hour time slot.

[Easy Mac]

Tonight is a preview, they pushed back the premiere to next week for unknown reasons

[tyketime]

Thanks for the quick replies!

[Autumn]

Oh great, my TV will probably be packed up in teh moving van by then. You can watch the shows online though after, right?

[dervack]

Oh great, my TV will probably be packed up in teh moving van by then. You can watch the shows online though after, right?
Yeah, just be careful, because I know when I went to watch an episode online last year, they already had the survivor who was eliminated grayed out.

[Raiders Army]

We watched the TV Guide preview and Probst is an idiot. He showed the tribal council set and said, "This is a place where no survivor wants to come to a lot." Bullshit! The winner will go there at least six times. If a survivor only goes there once, it means that they got booted.

He said something else that was idiotic but I can't remember what. He also cast the vibe that he was full of himself.

[EagleFan]

We watched the TV Guide preview and Probst is an idiot. He showed the tribal council set and said, "This is a place where no survivor wants to come to a lot." Bullshit! The winner will go there at least six times. If a survivor only goes there once, it means that they got booted.

He said something else that was idiotic but I can't remember what. He also cast the vibe that he was full of himself.


Are you serious? You are gettng on him about the not come here a lot statement. No contestantwants to be there a lot. The first half of the series they want to avoid it as best they can.

Of course they go there at least 6 times, that doesn't mean they want to come there 12 times.

[wade moore]

Are you serious? You are gettng on him about the not come here a lot statement. No contestantwants to be there a lot. The first half of the series they want to avoid it as best they can.

Of course they go there at least 6 times, that doesn't mean they want to come there 12 times.

Yeah - feels like RA is fishing for criticism there.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe, but the guy just didn't strike me as intelligent as he does on the show. Perhaps that's because they edit him to look better.

[EagleFan]

Maybe, but the guy just didn't strike me as intelligent as he does on the show. Perhaps that's because they edit him to look better.

First time that's ever happened on TV.... ;)

[Raiders Army]

:eek: You mean Ryan Seacrest isn't that cool???

[Raiders Army]

Oh, I remember the other thing Probst said: "I don't know how to pronounce Gabon so I use a French pronunciation and add the 'n'".

As a host, shouldn't you know how to pronounce the names of the area you're in? That's soooooo Regis.

[Kodos]

Looking forward to the new season! And Jeff Probst is an awesome host. I love when he yells at quitters. :)

[Jas_lov]

Just what we needed, another completely inept tribe vs. a dominating one. Here's a great idea, let's vote out the young chick who was 3rd up the hill over the 70 year old woman who collects a social security check every week. The physics guy is old too, but he's awesome and very smart. The other old guy in the weak tribe has the right idea with Operation watch everyone else crash and burn. Looks like it'll be a great season.

[LloydLungs]

An unusually high number of Survivor seasons seem to begin with a hot chick getting voted off first. I am displeased with this trend. This tribe is horrendously bad, but time will tell if they will even get the chance to Ulong themselves (probably will be a bailout tribal switch before that can happen).

[Raiders Army]

Looking forward to the new season! And Jeff Probst is an awesome host. I love when he yells at quitters. :)

I'm glad he does as well and I liked the fact that he prodded around the Fang tribe last night and made them uncomfortable.

The part that grates on me is his innocent little comment "All I did was ask a simple question." He comes across as being so smarmy.

Anyhow, they had some good challenges last night and the Exile Island is a great twist this season. The hot girl was right when they started picking teams. I was thinking WTF???

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and I know to a certain extent they were picking teams based on "who I'd get along with" but winning challenges (like winning anything) is a great help to getting along with other people.

[Lathum]

just watched the episode.

I think Probst hated Jillian and I dont blame him, WTF was she thinking the way she picked that team?

[EagleFan]

just watched the episode.

I think Probst hated Jillian and I dont blame him, WTF was she thinking the way she picked that team?

To be fair she just picked one person on the team. Unfortunately it got the ball rolling downhill.



I can't believe they were worried about that guy getting the hidden idol already. I think they need to be worried about even making it to the merge at this point.

[Raiders Army]

I really think the Olympian chick is sandbagging it. On that first challenge she was hiding her natural ability.

[Jas_lov]

I really think the Olympian chick is sandbagging it. On that first challenge she was hiding her natural ability.

I don't think that's the case. She was wearing a dress and her shoes weighed ten pounds so she had a good excuse for being the last one up the hill.

Perhaps her bigger mistake was her pick for a tribe member. She picked another worthless old woman with the 2nd pick! Susie should have been the last pick, not the 2nd. The other tribe was much smarter with their picks. It's too bad Michelle was voted out the 1st week. Her relationship with Ken had the potential to be as hilarious as that fat mexican guy declaring his love for a girl he had never talked to.

[LloydLungs]

Her relationship with Ken had the potential to be as hilarious as that fat mexican guy declaring his love for a girl he had never talked to.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't think anything will ever top that, but horny small awkward gamer guy trying to score with hot snarky chick is guaranteed comedy. All we got to see is stage 1, i.e. wildly misinterpreting somewhat pleasant conversation as an invitation to hump. Sadly, this was cut off prematurely before it could get to the extremely needy/stalker stage. Stupid tribe.

[Maple Leafs]

Nobody wants to talk about Michelle being the first girl in Survivor history to have her crotch blurred while still clothed?

How bad must that camel toe have been?

[Cork]

Nobody wants to talk about Michelle being the first girl in Survivor history to have her crotch blurred while still clothed?

How bad must that camel toe have been?


That's awesome. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

-Cork

[saldana]

Nobody wants to talk about Michelle being the first girl in Survivor history to have her crotch blurred while still clothed?

How bad must that camel toe have been?


i thought that was hilarious...either that or she has some nasty oversize bush that was showing through her white bikini bottoms.


that whole tribe sucks...i cant believe how incredibly bad they picked

i love the whole charlie and marcus thing...the way they keep pushing their scenes make me wonder if there might be a marcus swinging the other way episode at some point.

[Jas_lov]

Interesting tribe switch. The weak and lazy in the old Fang become the dominant 3 with the disgruntled Kelly tagging along. Good pick of Kelly by Kenny who is now in a really good position. If they do end up voting out Kelly like the're talking about then they're really stupid. They risk becoming the minority again with Sugar joining the other 3. GC may be dumber than I thought.

[Jas_lov]

They do smartly get rid of Jacky. GC talking about voting out Kelly must have happened much earlier and they just edited it. Now they can target Ace or Sugar if they lose again but they have to hope those two don't trade the hidden idol.

What I don't get was why Kelly called out Kenny and the track girl for being lazy in the challenge. She still voted with them so it might have just been part of the plan.

[Raiders Army]

While they were smart to take out Jacky, I really despise the lazy three old Fang.

I was expecting somebody after the tribe switch say "Where the fuck is all your rice?"

[law90026]

Kelly seems to be totally oblivious to what she says in terms of how it can offend people. Having said that, Fang looks terrible right now and it seems unlikely they can win any physical challenges.

Poor Bob, being left up there for so long.

I can see some new alliances forming over time, especially since Matty doesn't seem particularly enthused with the lazy 3.

[Lathum]

why on earth would you tell someone you were going to vote for them?

[EagleFan]

why on earth would you tell someone you were going to vote for them?

vote Lathum


You're right, I love the blind side better. :)

[Jas_lov]

Randy is the best thing going for this season. He's hilarious and I'm glad he took Bob's place in the most powerful alliance. Hopefully they stick together and he goes far.

Suzie is an idiot and completely worthless. I wish her and Crystal would have gone last night before the merge instead of Dan and Ace. I wonder what was going through Sugar's mind voting off her closest ally.

[Jas_lov]

And if Suzie wasn't an idiot, she would realize that she got 3 votes and she would switch alliances. I doubt she's that smart though. I understand what Kota did because they thought Dan might have the idol, but now Suzie might stir things up.

Fang would still be outnumbered though unless they get Bob to switch. Matty is pretty much on his own now and I think he'll be one of the 1st ones gone after the merge because he's the biggest immunity threat to Kota.

[EagleFan]

Randy is a jackass. I hoipe he is gone and gone soon.

[Swaggs]

I'm enjoying this season quite a bit.

Have a good mix of characters with some golden boys (Marcus, Matty), some strong tacticians (Corrine, Randy, maybe Kenny), some players that could shake things up if they make it to the merge (Bob and Crystal), and two really good under the radar players (Sugar and Charlie).

I think Randy is one of the most unique players I have seen. He is annoying as hell, but is surprisingly good in physical challenges and is really strong behind the scenes.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Sugar is much smarter than the competitors think she is. I thought that the move to boot Ace was a good move for her. Ace wasn't trustworthy and she could see through his motivations. He also indirectly made her a target. She's got a three person voting block she can trust now and the immunity idol. She can wheel and deal in the merge with those bargaining pieces and become a big player.

Randy is half-nuts, but that's honestly a good thing in this game.

[Lathum]

the fact that Randy is a wedding photographer cracks me up

[Swaggs]

I hope Randy goes to the jury, at least. I can see him going nuts during the final Tribal Council

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

the fact that Randy is a wedding photographer cracks me up

I could see this happening.

Randy (at a wedding): OK, can you switch the pose so you're grabbing your wife's left breast? OK, now her right breast? Great. Now can you take this camera and photograph me doing the same thing? Great.

[law90026]

I agree, Sugar looks to be a major player because of how she's portrayed herself as the bimbo. However, she isn't stupid at all (at least from what they show) and I can see her switching alliances at another key point to get further in the game. Having said that, I'm not sure she can win if she pushes the bimbo persona too far because it might be hard to sell at the final council.

[saldana]

Randy is the best thing going for this season. He's hilarious and I'm glad he took Bob's place in the most powerful alliance. Hopefully they stick together and he goes far.

Suzie is an idiot and completely worthless. I wish her and Crystal would have gone last night before the merge instead of Dan and Ace. I wonder what was going through Sugar's mind voting off her closest ally.

Sugar is much smarter than the competitors think she is. I thought that the move to boot Ace was a good move for her. Ace wasn't trustworthy and she could see through his motivations. He also indirectly made her a target. She's got a three person voting block she can trust now and the immunity idol. She can wheel and deal in the merge with those bargaining pieces and become a big player.

Randy is half-nuts, but that's honestly a good thing in this game.


not only did she vote him off, but did you all happen to notice that there was a second word on her vote card that was blurred out? obviously you didnt know it was her card until the credits when they showed them all voting but her card obviously said "Ace XXXX" with the x's blurred out...one can only imagine that it said "Hole"

[Raiders Army]

After this season, they're gonna change it to: "They're getting de-Fanged" instead of getting "Pagonged".

[LloydLungs]

Sugar is getting exponentially cuter by the week.

As for Randy, he is such an over-the-top asshole that I hope he sticks around. I mean, honestly even Fairplay wasn't this big an asshole. I'm pretty sure Randy is not even remotely an act. Y'all should check out his bio on the CBS page. It's something else.

I just want him to survive at least until the family visit. I hate all the idiotic crying during the family stuff (it's mostly phoniness -- watch the first season before the show was a phenomenon, nobody cries except Jenna). I don't even think Randy will have a visitor at all, short of maybe his dog's ashes. Could be a sorely needed and hilarious change of pace!

[mauchow]

Crystal is the most un-athletic Olympian male I've ever seen. Clumsy as hell and a moron to boot.

[Kodos]

It boggles my mind that she is an Olympic athlete - she hasn't done anything in any challenge. She couldn't even run up a hill in the first episode.

[Jas_lov]

Y'all should check out his bio on the CBS page. It's something else.


His biggest pet peeves are cell phones and overly religious people, and he says he doesn't allow either in his home or car.

LOL! Randy is hilarious and I really hope he goes far. It says on his bio he admits that he's a trainwreck. If I remember correctly, Randy was the only one to not receive a letter from home on this week's show. Sugar, Randy, and Kenny are good people to root for this year.

[mauchow]

It boggles my mind that she is an Olympic athlete - she hasn't done anything in any challenge. She couldn't even run up a hill in the first episode.

You've got Crystal mixed up with someone else, the Crystal I'm speaking of is a man! Yeah baby, a man!

[Racer]

I think it's alright to post this, but I put spoiler tags on it just in case. It's about the editing of the person who was voted out tonight.


Most shocking boot ever. Just about everyone at survivorsucks.com that predicts a winner based on editing thought tonight's boot was a lock to win based on the way he was edited. This is shaping up to be an extremely exiting season now.

[Raiders Army]

Good stuff tonight. Man how Survivor has changed since the initial seasons. I think that while viewers still respect honesty, stupidity is worse than lying now.

[LloydLungs]

Good stuff tonight. Man how Survivor has changed since the initial seasons. I think that while viewers still respect honesty, stupidity is worse than lying now.

Abso-effing-lutely. Not just the viewers, but more importantly the jury. And I've enjoyed these past three seasons more than any of the first 14 because of it. For a long time I cursed Richard Hatch's win as the initial impetus for that subsequent multi-season obsession over "honorable" gameplay. But the show seems to have finally outgrown that.

I know Survivor passed its peak a long time ago in terms of popularity, but for Survivor game strategy geeks like myself, these recent seasons are so enjoyable. Now even the non-hardcore gamers, the mostly under-the-radar weak older players like Susie, are making mostly wise and savvy strategic moves.

EDIT: This is not to say there isn't the occasional idiot (ERIK) but even his retardism was interesting, as opposed to the "meekly settling for 6th in a six-person alliance" type of stupidity.

[Raiders Army]

Sugar is getting exponentially cuter by the week.
I realized why this is. She was pretty chunky in the beginning but now that she's thinning down, she looks better.

[Swaggs]

This is shaping up to be a strong season.

Marcus had played a fantastic game, both physically and behind-the-scenes, but got a little too comfortable with Crystal. I bet he is still kicking himself. If he had just fortified his alliance with Susie, he would have had a great shot.

Agreed on Sugar getting more and more attractive as the weeks go on. I'm pulling for her, Kenny, and Matty to advance as far as possible now.

[law90026]

Gotta say, has anyone as useless and dislikeable as Crystal been able to get so far? I mean, she's terrible at challenges and she has a terrible attitude ... yet somehow manages to survive week after week.

The alliance of 6 really should have gotten rid of Suzie, she's really crazy, like Randy said. I'm not sure she has any strategy at all and is going to be easily played. If they had kept the other guy (can't remember his name now), they would have had more control.

And poor Sugar, is she really that naive? The conversation with Matty ... I hope she wins and she probably has a good shot if she reaches the final 3 because it would be hard not to vote for her since she seems nice but man, she's easily manipulated.

[Scarecrow]

Gotta say, has anyone as useless and dislikeable as Crystal been able to get so far? I mean, she's terrible at challenges and she has a terrible attitude ... yet somehow manages to survive week after week.

Cherie (both times)

[gstelmack]

Vecepia won the whole thing being pretty useless. I don't think she had the terrible attitude, but was the original "weak player I can easily beat but she won the whole thing" player...

[Kodos]

I think I'm rooting for Bob or Kenny at this point. Really, the person I am actively rooting against is Crystal. Has she ever not sucked in a challenge? If she was an Olympic athlete at some point, she has totally let herself go now.

[Alan T]

I think I'm rooting for Bob or Kenny at this point. Really, the person I am actively rooting against is Crystal. Has she ever not sucked in a challenge? If she was an Olympic athlete at some point, she has totally let herself go now.

Bob is likely in trouble. If their tribe loses the next challenge, he is all but guaranteed of being voted out.

[Kodos]

I just thought it was cool that he outlasted everyone in yesterday's immunity challenge.

[Raiders Army]

I just thought it was cool that he outlasted everyone in yesterday's immunity challenge.

Ditto.

[Raiders Army]

FWIW, in the TV Guide preview of this season Jeff said that initially he despised Kenny but grew to really like him and root for him later on. That sort of clued me in last night that he wasn't going to go and I could really see the old Fang going to the end.

[Thomkal]

I had little hope Marcus would make it to the final 3 given his likeability and threat physically, so this really was inevitable I think. Too bad though, I liked him. He should have tried to hide that immunity idol instead of throwing it out to sea. :)

And how dumb was that anyway to have the idol hidden right there where everybody could see it and wonder why the person was digging there? (if they kept the note a secret).

[Atocep]

Marcus was as much in control as someone could be at this point in the game and he blew it. He played flawlessly up until that point and his one mistake got him voted out.

Assuming tribes don't merge before the next immunity challenge Fang is going to have a very tough time winning now and Bob is definitely the next to go.

It would have been interesting to see if Charlie would have lost the challenge on purpose if Matty had dropped out earlier.

[Atocep]

And how dumb was that anyway to have the idol hidden right there where everybody could see it and wonder why the person was digging there? (if they kept the note a secret).

I really think that was the writers trying to create a TV moment rather than making a serious attempt to put another idol in play.

[mauchow]

You've got Crystal mixed up with someone else, the Crystal I'm speaking of is a man! Yeah baby, a man!

Crystal once again proved my point of her being the most unathletic olympian I have ever seen.

[Raiders Army]

Not sure if anyone else noticed, but Marge Boesch died and tonight's episode was in memory of her.

[Jas_lov]

I did notice that. Poor Rudy. Anyway, I think Sugar picked the right side to go with. The losers and misfits she aligned with are more likely to fall apart. Kenny might be getting too cocky and people are beginning to recognize him as a power player. Crystal is still worthless. I can't believe Suzie won. The fake idol Bob made was awesome and I hope that comes into play later on.

[law90026]

With the way this Survivor is turning out, the only person I'm really rooting for is Kenny at this point.

But it would be hilarious to see Suzie, Crystal and Randy as the final 3. Not sure anyone in the jury would actually want to vote.

[Alan T]

With the way this Survivor is turning out, the only person I'm really rooting for is Kenny at this point.

But it would be hilarious to see Suzie, Crystal and Randy as the final 3. Not sure anyone in the jury would actually want to vote.

I liked Kenny earlier on, but now he completely annoys me.

In fact I don't think there is one likable person left in this season that I really am rooting to win. I guess if I had to choose, at this point I want to see Sugar win. She seemed useless at the start, but she actually has exceeded my expectations for her.

[Sublime 2]

I liked Kenny earlier on, but now he completely annoys me.

In fact I don't think there is one likable person left in this season that I really am rooting to win. I guess if I had to choose, at this point I want to see Sugar win. She seemed useless at the start, but she actually has exceeded my expectations for her.

I'd go with Sugar and Matty. They are both likable in my book. I'm still interested to see how Sugar's idol comes into play/how she will use it.

[Maple Leafs]

The wife and I have five of these on the tivo that we haven't watched yet.

Has there been a recap episode yet? If so, when was it?

And if not, without giving any spoilers, has anything happened that would be worth watching five hours to catch up vs. just diving back in now?

[Alan T]

The wife and I have five of these on the tivo that we haven't watched yet.

Has there been a recap episode yet? If so, when was it?

And if not, without giving any spoilers, has anything happened that would be worth watching five hours to catch up vs. just diving back in now?


There have been a few pretty good episodes I thought, some twists and such, but mostly normal Survivor type game things. It hasn't been the worst tv ever, so if you like the series, you probably would enjoy the last few episodes.

[Swaggs]

Pretty strong fake idol. :)

Hopefully it comes into play at some point.

[EagleFan]

I'd go with Sugar and Matty. They are both likable in my book. I'm still interested to see how Sugar's idol comes into play/how she will use it.

Matty? Seriously? His obnoxious attitude at the immunity challenge the other week is enough to keep him far from being likeable.

[Alan T]

Pretty strong fake idol. :)

Hopefully it comes into play at some point.

I was hoping the same. with the tribes merging though, isn't this when they normally stop having exile island? My assumption is that no one else will be sent out there, which is a shame.

Of course I still had it in my head that somehow, someone would end up sneaking out to sea and grabbing the one idol that was thrown out there too.. but oh well :)

[Jas_lov]

Randy is likeable and he is who I want to win although he probably has no shot. Suzie, Crystal, and that other bitch Corrryn I think her name is also have no shot to win so it's down to Bob, Kenny, Sugar, or Matty. Sugar and Kenny are the favorites to win at this point.

[law90026]

Randy is likeable and he is who I want to win although he probably has no shot. Suzie, Crystal, and that other bitch Corrryn I think her name is also have no shot to win so it's down to Bob, Kenny, Sugar, or Matty. Sugar and Kenny are the favorites to win at this point.

We must be watching different Randy's then. His attitude at the challenge and at tribal was pretty terrible and I can see why people wouldn't like him if they actually have to live with him.

[Swaggs]

I was hoping the same. with the tribes merging though, isn't this when they normally stop having exile island? My assumption is that no one else will be sent out there, which is a shame.

Of course I still had it in my head that somehow, someone would end up sneaking out to sea and grabbing the one idol that was thrown out there too.. but oh well :)

Hmmm... I assumed he had taken the idol with him back to camp, but, in hindsight, I guess it was kind of vague as to whether he planted it or kept it.

[EagleFan]

Randy is likeable

You must be watching in some strange parrallel universe?

[saldana]

I liked Kenny earlier on, but now he completely annoys me.

In fact I don't think there is one likable person left in this season that I really am rooting to win. I guess if I had to choose, at this point I want to see Sugar win. She seemed useless at the start, but she actually has exceeded my expectations for her.


the funniest thing i have seen on TV all season was when he was at camp with susie and crystal and said that he was all alone at camp with two beautiful women.

sugar is an idiot. i was impressed with her when she found the idol, but first she let kenny trick her into voting for ace, and even though she knows he screwed her, she listened to him again.

i am really annoyed with this season. the whole juggle the tribes before the merge thing is so old and tired. as whiny as it sounded, i actually think corrinne was right about people deserving to go home...when you are part of a winning tribe and have to endure getting shipped over to a bunch of losers that vote you out, that isnt being outwitted or outplayed...that is just getting screwed by a crappy mechanic.

[Raiders Army]

the funniest thing i have seen on TV all season was when he was at camp with susie and crystal and said that he was all alone at camp with two beautiful women.

sugar is an idiot. i was impressed with her when she found the idol, but first she let kenny trick her into voting for ace, and even though she knows he screwed her, she listened to him again.

i am really annoyed with this season. the whole juggle the tribes before the merge thing is so old and tired. as whiny as it sounded, i actually think corrinne was right about people deserving to go home...when you are part of a winning tribe and have to endure getting shipped over to a bunch of losers that vote you out, that isnt being outwitted or outplayed...that is just getting screwed by a crappy mechanic.

I agree with all of the above. I'd add that another funny part was Randy dancing with the native woman. How hard up is he that he has to go to another country whose inhabitants probably don't speak much English to find a woman who "likes" him?

[LloydLungs]

i actually think corrinne was right about people deserving to go home...when you are part of a winning tribe and have to endure getting shipped over to a bunch of losers that vote you out, that isnt being outwitted or outplayed...that is just getting screwed by a crappy mechanic.

In some cases, that's true. In this case, Marcus still had a numbers advantage in his new setup. He simply didn't work Susie correctly and paid for it. He deserved to go home. Part of Survivor is effectively managing the low end of your alliance and/or skillfully relating to outsiders in case you ever need them down the road.

[Jas_lov]

Marcus does NOT deserve to be there. He was outplayed by Kenny. Corryn is a bitch and nobody cares what she says. Hopefully she's gone soon as nobody deserves to get voted out more than she does.

Randy is likeable because he's a dick. He hates Crystal which is a plus. He admits to being an absolute trainwreck and if that isn't likeable I don't know what is.

[Galaril]

Marcus does NOT deserve to be there. He was outplayed by Kenny. Corryn is a bitch and nobody cares what she says. Hopefully she's gone soon as nobody deserves to get voted out more than she does.

Randy is likeable because he's a dick. He hates Crystal which is a plus. He admits to being an absolute trainwreck and if that isn't likeable I don't know what is.

This has a lot about you I am afraid if true:(

[Racer]

In some cases, that's true. In this case, Marcus still had a numbers advantage in his new setup. He simply didn't work Susie correctly and paid for it. He deserved to go home. Part of Survivor is effectively managing the low end of your alliance and/or skillfully relating to outsiders in case you ever need them down the road.

Completely agree with this. Marcus dug his own grave. Like you said, he didn't play the bottom of his alliance correctly and he also was to honest with Crystal.

Even if the two tribes had merged at ten, Marcus may have still been voted out. Marcus, Corinne, Charlie, Randy, and Bob needed either Sugar or Susie to vote with them for a 6-4 majority. That means Sugar could give the idle to whoever Kota wanted to vote to out and and consequently cancel out their five votes. Sugar, Crystal, Matty, Susie, and Kenny could then send whoever they wanted home which probably would have been Marcus.

[Atocep]

1.) Randy is far from likable. He's just as whinny as Crystal and him going on about an African native liking him was one of the best unintentional comedy moments of the season.

2.) Marcus made one mistake and paid for it. He played a great game up to that point, but his mistake was colossal and he deserved to go home for it.

3.) I agree that the tribe swapping thing is becoming old and its taking the game out of the player's hands and bringing a lot of unnecessary luck into play.

4.) I liked Kenny at first. The past couple of episodes though he's started to wear on me a lot. He's getting arrogant to the point where its obnoxious and right now I'd have a hard time deciding whether he or Crystal annoy me more.

5.) This season has been a disaster as far as likable people getting to the end. Bob is probably the only person left I'd like to see win (maybe Sugar, but thats just to show how bad this season has been) and that says more for this season than it does for Bob.

[gstelmack]

I thought Sugar should have written down Randy and let the two factions duke it out over the tie...

[Alan T]

Hmmm... I assumed he had taken the idol with him back to camp, but, in hindsight, I guess it was kind of vague as to whether he planted it or kept it.

Based on the tv commercial for Survivor during the middle of this football game, it seems you are right and it does play a part

[Mota]

I really think that they need to have a full season WITHOUT a merge. That way, people stop voting out their top members early in the game because they're a "threat", and the first season doing this would be a complete shock to the tribes that did not keep strong.

Overall I believe that Survivor favors the weak far too much. There's no point in keeping your tribe strong when: 1) you'll switch tribes 2-3 times anyways and 2) that person will kick your ass later on if you leave them in the game

My favorite in this game is Kenny because he has successfully exploited the weakest members of the other tribe and turned them to his side. His ultimate success will be determined by how those members perceive themselves in this alliance and whether they trust him to keep them along to the end. If they believe that Kenny is doing it for Kenny, the votes may splinter again later on.

[law90026]

Not sure if a non-merge game could work. Games would get increasingly difficult because of manpower issues especially if one tribe was outclassed (like this year).

[EagleFan]

I think they should keep them all together from day one. Then for each set of immunity challenges they need to randomly split them into "tribes" for teh challenge. The losing "tribe" goes to tribal. This forces everyone to play an even larger social game as they have no safety net alliance to always fall back on.

[Thomkal]

I think they should keep them all together from day one. Then for each set of immunity challenges they need to randomly split them into "tribes" for teh challenge. The losing "tribe" goes to tribal. This forces everyone to play an even larger social game as they have no safety net alliance to always fall back on.

Ooooh I like that idea. Forward it to CBS. ;)

[Mota]

I think they should keep them all together from day one. Then for each set of immunity challenges they need to randomly split them into "tribes" for teh challenge. The losing "tribe" goes to tribal. This forces everyone to play an even larger social game as they have no safety net alliance to always fall back on.

Why not? It really seems like the current format of the game has been exploited to the fullest, and this would break the pattern. Right now the producers are so determined to make "good tv" that they continuously rewrite the rules to mix things up, and the game feels like a series of random patterns and luck vs. the best strategy winning. If they could prove that these tribe changeups were determined prior to the game starting I'd be okay with it but they definitely feel reactive. Makes it feel like the producers have too much impact on the game.

[Lathum]

Randy really came off as a racist at tribal

[Racer]

That had to be one of the best tribal councils ever.

[Jas_lov]

I wonder if this bought Bob a little bit longer in the game. Sugar said tonight that Matty was starting to play the game so maybe he will be the target instead of Bob once they get rid of Corryn. The goal for Sugar, Kenny, and Matty is to get into the finals with Crystal and Suzie and be guaranteed the $1 million. Sugar might be able to use Bob to help oust Matty and Kenny to do just that.

Next week's preview looked pretty interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it.

[EagleFan]

I wonder if that preview was Bob's attempt to explain the idol he had instead of a new twist.

[LloydLungs]

I wonder if this bought Bob a little bit longer in the game. Sugar said tonight that Matty was starting to play the game so maybe he will be the target instead of Bob once they get rid of Corryn. The goal for Sugar, Kenny, and Matty is to get into the finals with Crystal and Suzie and be guaranteed the $1 million. Sugar might be able to use Bob to help oust Matty and Kenny to do just that.

Said it before, but oh my lord, Sugar is still getting insanely sexier with each passing week. That cheery feistiness...

Um... but anyway. Yeah, I think for everyone in the dominant alliance, it was an awesome joke to play on Randy. For Bob, it was to gain an ally from the opposing alliance in Sugar. Might pay off down the road, might not, but it probably puts him in a better situation than he was in otherwise.

I don't know what the hell that was all about next week, though. I also thought that maybe Bob was just trying to cover his ass with Corinne, but that really doesn't make any sense if you think about it...

[Jas_lov]

Didn't everyone see what the idol they threw into the ocean looked like? If Corryn saw it then she would know that the fake idol Bob gave to Randy wasn't the one Marcus threw into the ocean so it wouldn't be Bob just trying to cover his ass.

[Thomkal]

Man that had to be one of the best Survivor moments ever! That plus Crystal shouting after she wrote Randy's name down so everybody heard her. What a complete idiot Randy was and Corrinne for that matter.

[Racer]

I don't know what the hell that was all about next week, though. I also thought that maybe Bob was just trying to cover his ass with Corinne, but that really doesn't make any sense if you think about it...

Yeah, it didn't make any sense to me either. Marcus would have returned to the Kota camp after the fake merge feast. If my memory serves me right the Nobag camp is the old Fang camp. Maybe it's a recap episode (if there is one).

[LloydLungs]

What a complete idiot Randy was and Corrinne for that matter.

Well, Randy/Corrine's biggest mistake was underestimating Sugar. They just assumed Bob must have the idol even though Sugar has practically lived on exile island for most of the game. They just assumed she was so stupid that she couldn't possibly have it. Sugar is neither brilliant nor a great player, but she is far from a dunce.

I can understand thinking the idol itself was real. It looked damned convincing. Nothing like the ridiculous stick from last season.

[Racer]

Didn't everyone see what the idol they threw into the ocean looked like? If Corryn saw it then she would know that the fake idol Bob gave to Randy wasn't the one Marcus threw into the ocean so it wouldn't be Bob just trying to cover his ass.

I'm not sure if Corryn ever saw it, but Randy was the one who found the idle.

[LloydLungs]

Yeah, it didn't make any sense to me either. Marcus would have returned to the Kota camp after the fake merge feast. If my memory serves me right the Nobag camp is the old Fang camp. Maybe it's a recap episode (if there is one).

Plus, as pointed out, I think they all saw the idol at the time. But even ignoring that, it seems like such an elaborate story would get denied eventually once Corrine (presumably) ends up in loser lodge with Marcus. And this seems unnecessary anyway, because if Bob wants to cover his ass he can easily just say the fake idol was planted on EI by the person who found the real idol.

Nope, it's not an ass-covering maneuver. So what is it? I'm genuinely intrigued. Are we being taken for a ride here by the producers??

[Kodos]

That was perhaps the best tribal council ever.

[Lathum]

easily one of the best survivor moments

[Racer]

Looks like this Thursday will be the recap episode. Not surprising since it'll be Thanksgiving.

[Raiders Army]

Looks like this Thursday will be the recap episode. Not surprising since it'll be Thanksgiving.

You know, I was wondering why Randy was featured. That makes sense.

[sachmo71]

Man that had to be one of the best Survivor moments ever! That plus Crystal shouting after she wrote Randy's name down so everybody heard her. What a complete idiot Randy was and Corrinne for that matter.

it was a good plan for them, though. they were outnumbered and had to twist the game. im not sure why they instantly assumed Bob found the idol, but they had every reason to trust him. but to see a tool like Randy get his like that is wonderful.

[Racer]

I don't understand why Kenny and Crystal decided to split their votes like that. If Corinne actually had an idle, what difference does it make whether the vote is five votes Corrinne to two votes Matty or four votes Corrine to three Matty? Matt would go home either way. Now, there is no reason why Sugar, Matty, and Suzie should trust Kenny at all. Very dumb decision in my opinion.

[Izulde]

So who got voted off?

[LloydLungs]

I don't understand why Kenny and Crystal decided to split their votes like that. If Corinne actually had an idle, what difference does it make whether the vote is five votes Corrinne to two votes Matty or four votes Corrine to three Matty? Matt would go home either way. Now, there is no reason why Sugar, Matty, and Suzie should trust Kenny at all. Very dumb decision in my opinion.

Yep. It could theoretically have the effect of helping Kenny in the finals if he gets that far (perhaps making Corrine and Bob more likely to vote for him), but I don't think that was his thought process -- or if it was, he's getting too cute with his strategy. I can't see how he wouldn't be voted out next week. Wouldn't Sugar, Susie, and Matty be gunning for him now? And shouldn't it be easy to get Bob on board as a fourth vote, seeing as how he's probably next otherwise?

[Swaggs]

At this point, Bob deserves to win. I know Ozzy screwed around with the idea, but making impressive fake idols and pulling it off twice is a pretty new wrinkle to a pretty established game (I think they are in their 14th or 15th season).

If I'm still alive on that game, I think I would try to allign with Susie and Sugar. If you get to the final three with them, you are golden.

[Thomkal]

Corinne was voted off Izulde. Credit to her and Bob for trying though and nearly pulling it off. Matty is not going to be pleased when they go back to camp and Bob should play that up as much as he can. So glad he won immunity last night. I honestly didn't think he would last long in this game, but lucked out with initial tribe being so good. But his fake idols and knowledge and winning challenges at his age and physical condition (did you see him without his shirt?) have been a great story this season.

I think Kenny's days as ringleader are over after this vote.

[Kodos]

Just glad to see Corinne gone.

[Raiders Army]

Is it just me, or does Corrinne look like Courtney Cox? And does Matty look like Leonardo DiCaprio?

[Jas_lov]

Kenny and Sugar would be foolish to let Bob get any further as he would be tough to beat in the finals.

Bob would beat anyone in the finals with his 4 votes already sitting on the jury.

Matty and Kenny's goal is to get rid of each other and Bob because if they're in the finals with any two of Sugar, Suzie, and Crystal they are guaranteed victory.

Sugar's only chance to win is to get to the finals with Suzie and Crystal, the only two more worthless than her. She is too hated to beat any of the others.

Suzie and Crystal have no chance of winning and are just taking up space.

[gstelmack]

Brilliant play by Bob and Corrinne. It may not have saved Corrinne, but it got Kenny's head on the chopping block and should start the in-fighting with the other tribe. And Crystal will benefit as well, as she voted Corrinne with the rest. Should be interesting to see Kenny weasel out of this, and which way Bob decides to go in the fight.

[gstelmack]

Oh, and with 6 left, we have one more episode Thursday, then the finale Sunday? We getting another final 3?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Brilliant play by Bob and Corrinne. It may not have saved Corrinne, but it got Kenny's head on the chopping block and should start the in-fighting with the other tribe. And Crystal will benefit as well, as she voted Corrinne with the rest. Should be interesting to see Kenny weasel out of this, and which way Bob decides to go in the fight.

Yep, there's going to be a lot of fingerpointed over that single vote from Kenny. I'm sure the first words we'll hear out of Matty in the opening scene when they return to camp will be, "Who the hell voted for me outside of Bob and Corrine?".

[Atocep]

Yep. It could theoretically have the effect of helping Kenny in the finals if he gets that far (perhaps making Corrine and Bob more likely to vote for him), but I don't think that was his thought process -- or if it was, he's getting too cute with his strategy. I can't see how he wouldn't be voted out next week. Wouldn't Sugar, Susie, and Matty be gunning for him now? And shouldn't it be easy to get Bob on board as a fourth vote, seeing as how he's probably next otherwise?

I really don't understand Kenny's move there. Splitting his and Crystal's votes just doesn't make any sense at all and it puts him in a position where he now has to explain himself to his alliance.

Matty comes across to me as a follower and fairly weak personality-wise, though, so I wouldn't be shocked if Kenny smoothed things over with him.

Bob is in a position now where he could completely blow things up. If he doesn't press this issue with Matty, Sugar, and Susie he's an idiot.

Anyone else find Kenny's comments about Bob not having a plan funny?

[Raiders Army]

Well, Sugar is definitely an idiot. She could've won straight up against Susie, Kenny, or Crystal. Now, she saved Bob and Matty. Unless she tries to play the "strategist" angle, which she really can't, she won't win.

This crap about the "good guys" winning is...well, crap.

[Jas_lov]

Sugar is stupid. Her only shot was against Suzie and Crystal. Bob is gonna win this easily if he gets to the finals. Hopefully he keeps winning immunity because if they're smart they'll get rid of him asap. But they'll probably vote out the "bad guy" Kenny, instead. At least Crystal is finally gone. She was the least deserving final 6 contestant in Survivor history.

[Racer]

Sugar is stupid. Her only shot was against Suzie and Crystal. Bob is gonna win this easily if he gets to the finals. Hopefully he keeps winning immunity because if they're smart they'll get rid of him asap. But they'll probably vote out the "bad guy" Kenny, instead. At least Crystal is finally gone. She was the least deserving final 6 contestant in Survivor history.

That honor would have to go to Lillian and Burton from Survivor Pearl Islands, two players who got voted out of the game and then got to come back in the infamous "outcast" twist.

[EagleFan]

Sugar is stupid. Her only shot was against Suzie and Crystal. Bob is gonna win this easily if he gets to the finals. Hopefully he keeps winning immunity because if they're smart they'll get rid of him asap. But they'll probably vote out the "bad guy" Kenny, instead. At least Crystal is finally gone. She was the least deserving final 6 contestant in Survivor history.

Actually, she's not even least deserving among the current group. Suzie takes those honors. She is a close second though.

I think she is easiy the least athletic "olympic champion" ever. What the hell was her event? It doesn't seem to be anything that involved speed, stamina, coordination or agility.

[Racer]

Actually, she's not even least deserving among the current group. Suzie takes those honors. She is a close second though.

I think she is easiy the least athletic "olympic champion" ever. What the hell was her event? It doesn't seem to be anything that involved speed, stamina, coordination or agility.

I think she won the gold in the 4x100. I'm surprised she didn't do better in tonight's reward challenge, but a lot of the challenges this season haven't had anything to do with speed or strength. There is quite a bit of technique involved in the 100 and 200 meter dashes so I'm surprised she hasn't done better at challenges involving technique as one of its component.

[CraigSca]

I'm liking Sugar more and more. I realize the whole point of the game is to win, but I admire her for the "good guys" comment.

[EagleFan]

I'm liking Sugar more and more. I realize the whole point of the game is to win, but I admire her for the "good guys" comment.

Since when is Matty a "good guy"? He's the jackass that was taunting Bob in one of the earlier challenges.

Sugar is a little too emotionally unstable. She has flopped all over the place based on whoever has given her the most recent sob story.


Prediction for Sunday: Sugar cries (going out on a limb here)

[EagleFan]

dola: Plus this game is not about being a "ggod guy". You can;t judge anyone in the game solely on how they play the game (sxample being Kenny, he hasn't done or said things that make me feel he is a bad person, he is just playing the game. The other side is Randy, he made enough statements to make me feel pretty sure he is an asshole in real life).

[Racer]

Prediction for Sunday: Sugar cries (going out on a limb here)

Bold prediction. :lol:

[Jas_lov]

Actually, she's not even least deserving among the current group. Suzie takes those honors. She is a close second though.

I think she is easiy the least athletic "olympic champion" ever. What the hell was her event? It doesn't seem to be anything that involved speed, stamina, coordination or agility.

Suzie won the fire challenge. Crystal has done nothing. She is completely worthless. If it were Suzie and Crystal in the final 2, Suzie would win by a landslide. Crystal is a bigger joke than Randy's mohawk.

[EagleFan]

All I can say is... Go Bob

Who would have seen this coming, Bob dominating challenges.

[thealmighty]

The funniest little snippet was the end of the ball challenge when Crystal went to dunk her ball...and missed. :)

[LloydLungs]

I think Sugar's a pretty good player. Not great -- she does play too emotionally -- but good. She has absolutely no prayer of winning because she has no prayer of getting any of the Kota alliance's votes in the finals, no matter who else is there with her. I think she recognizes that, and is putting her game playing skills towards engineering a win for players that she would like to see win. Which makes this kind of a weird season right now, with one of the hardest-playing gamers essentially playing for others.

[gstelmack]

Sugar reminds me of Cody (?) from Survivor Australia who decided he wanted the best person with him in the finale. And whatever the outcome of her decision, that was a BRILLIANT plan to pull off what she wanted. Holding the hidden idol, then handing it to Matty to turn in was great. Keep in mind she is the first Survivor in how long to actually play a hidden immunity idol and have it work...

I thought Bob's best shot was getting Matty and Suzy to turn on the other 3, but Sugar saved him. I actually think Bob is not playing a very strategic game, just a solid good-guy game and dominating challenges and working around camp.

[Thomkal]

well I'm certainly not torn up over Crystal leaving-as others have said one of the worse final 6 finalists ever. Her performance in both challenges were pitiful-wandering off the course and not making a single basket even the dunk. Having said that, Kenny would have been the wiser one to take out of the Kenny-Crystal duo. Kenny has won a challenge and at least showed some brains and idea of strategy. Would much rather have Crystal in the Final 3 then Kenny.

Loved Sugar giving Matty the idol at Tribal just for the drama and look on the others faces, but probably a stupid move on her part to save "the most physical" threat. Actually I think Bob is now, but she needs to get rid of both of them if she wants any chance of winning.

And Randy's mohawk....just ugh.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Keep in mind she is the first Survivor in how long to actually play a hidden immunity idol and have it work.

Actually, that move didn't come into play. The final vote was Crystal 4, Matty 2, so it didn't have any effect other than theater in the end. A more accurate statement is that she's the first immunity idol holder in some time to avoid getting back-doored while holding the idol. She definitely played it well while never actually playing it.

[Racer]

dola: Plus this game is not about being a "ggod guy". You can;t judge anyone in the game solely on how they play the game (sxample being Kenny, he hasn't done or said things that make me feel he is a bad person, he is just playing the game. The other side is Randy, he made enough statements to make me feel pretty sure he is an asshole in real life).

Watching the latest Pondersosa videos on cbs.com, Randy, Corinne, and Marcus are striking me as very bitter and petty people. Crystal and Charlie seem like decent people.

[Mota]

I think Suzie is one of the most useless players in the entire history of Survivor. I really didn't like Crystal, but she made it onto the TV screen once in a while. Suzie gets no play on TV because she is so dull. Doesn't ever take part in strategy sessions. Doesn't ever come close to winning challenges. She basically is just THERE.

I'm hoping Kenny takes it all, but he's at a huge disadvantage at this point, he needs to win 2 challenges to make it. Definitely alone at this point unless he can make Sugar cry and get her to flip flop AGAIN.

[Raiders Army]

Watching the latest Pondersosa videos on cbs.com, Randy, Corinne, and Marcus are striking me as very bitter and petty people. Crystal and Charlie seem like decent people.

I'd agree. Crystal wasn't bitter on her exit video which is more than what you can say for the others. Charlie also was pleasant. Both of them realized it's a game and they got blindsided and weren't bitter about it.

[Thomkal]

I think Suzie is one of the most useless players in the entire history of Survivor. I really didn't like Crystal, but she made it onto the TV screen once in a while. Suzie gets no play on TV because she is so dull. Doesn't ever take part in strategy sessions. Doesn't ever come close to winning challenges. She basically is just THERE.

I'm hoping Kenny takes it all, but he's at a huge disadvantage at this point, he needs to win 2 challenges to make it. Definitely alone at this point unless he can make Sugar cry and get her to flip flop AGAIN.

Actually Susie won one challenge. :) But yeah I agree with you. It looked like she might start making some strategic moves when Marcus got the axe, but then she melted into the background again.

[Galaril]

I'd agree. Crystal wasn't bitter on her exit video which is more than what you can say for the others. Charlie also was pleasant. Both of them realized it's a game and they got blindsided and weren't bitter about it.

Randy now has gone serial killer scary with his mohawk. What the fuck is up with that? Who would let this toolbag do their wedding video? And Corrinne comment I wish Bob and Kenny luck and thw rest " I hope they have miserable LIVES!" It is just a game get a fucking grip bitch. Geez

[EagleFan]

Bob rocks. A little weirded out by his choice of "costum" though.

[Jas_lov]

Bob is so awesome. I hope he wins. Sugar is an idiot for wanting to go to the final 3 with Matty and Bob. She won't get a single vote if that's the case.

[EagleFan]

Kenny went out with class. I respect that he wasn't one of those people that take it personally.

[Jas_lov]

I've got a feeling Bob will lose the next challenge to Matty and he'll get voted out. With Kenny gone, only Bob deserves to win this game. Sugar is an idiot, Matty has done nothing gameplay wise, and Suzie is worthless.

[EagleFan]

damn!!! I wanted so badly to see her's fall with about 10 seconds left. She is the one there who has zero chance of winning a million though. Especially since she already admitted in front of the jury the last council that she has done nothing but follow the crowd.

[Jas_lov]

And of all people Suzie wins the last immunity. This probably means Bob is gone as Matty and Sugar are close. Matty is going to win this by doing nothing all game. He will be the worst winner in survivor history.

[Jas_lov]

I mean, Suzie has done more to win than Matty. She's won challenges and was part of the biggest tribe switch. Hopefully they're serious about the tie and Bob pulls through.

[EagleFan]

I think Sugar could with that trio. She has been a lot more active (though flakey) than eiither of the other two. The only definite is that Susie will NOT win and may not even get a vote.

[Jas_lov]

Tie! This fire challenge is for all the marbles. Bob is winning!

[Jas_lov]

Sugar hands a million dollars to Bob.

[EagleFan]

Excellent!!!! So is it a shutout?

[Jas_lov]

WTF? Bob says he did nothing but ride coattails. What a terrible answer. I'm not so sure he beats Sugar now even though she's despised.

[Jas_lov]

Corrine is a ruthless bitch. Even Randy didn't go that far.

[EagleFan]

She is a major bitch. It's actually harder to see how the vote is going now. I don't get why some many people seemed to have an issuewith Bob. He was in a situation where he was the odd man out and was able to make the est of it to get to where he was, of course he had no chance to really make a major play so his best play was to work his way into others' plans.

He tried the one fake idol move to get Kenny and Crystal to vote with him but that didn't work out.

[EagleFan]

Again Corinne shows how much of a bitch she is. "I don't know how you survive in the real world?" She has some serious mental issues.

[Jas_lov]

That was too close. They must have really really hated Sugar.

[EagleFan]

That was odd. Usually the person making the moves gets credit and at least some votes while the coat tail rider usually gets nothing. There must have been enough hatred in the jury to keep her from getting a vote. I can't see how Susie got any votes, that is beyond comprehension.

[Racer]

That was odd. Usually the person making the moves gets credit and at least some votes while the coat tail rider usually gets nothing. There must have been enough hatred in the jury to keep her from getting a vote. I can't see how Susie got any votes, that is beyond comprehension.

What is odd about it is the editing. The editors completely ignored Suzie which is really odd considering she got 3 votes and nearly won the game. She may have actually played a pretty good game out there, we just don't know since she got almost no screen time to explain any of her decisions.

[mauchow]

What is odd about it is the editing. The editors completely ignored Suzie which is really odd considering she got 3 votes and nearly won the game. She may have actually played a pretty good game out there, we just don't know since she got almost no screen time to explain any of her decisions.

Prolly cuz she's got no personality and perhaps because she's a spanish woman.

[Jas_lov]

And that's why randy is so likeable, he's hilarious.

[EagleFan]

Nope, still don't see it.

[mauchow]

I personally liked Randy all season minus a few little things.

[Ajaxab]

I wonder if the appearance on the show has residual effects on Randy and Corinne in the real world. I know if I've watched this season and have a wedding coming up, I'm not looking for Randy any time soon or if I am a doctor needing to buy drugs for my clinic, I'm not buying anything from Corinne.

[LloydLungs]

The difference between Randy and Corrine is that Corrine genuinely gets off on boos and being called nasty, et cetera. Randy just is, and doesn't care -- or at least does a great job pretending he doesn't. Randy is a horrible person but I'm a big fan anyway. Goodness, the pretend "friends." Just awesome. Why couldn't he have lasted one more round for the family visits? "Gold" would have been an understatement.

Sugar had no prayer of winning and knew it. When your social game is bad enough that even a strategy geek like Kenny would vote for SUSIE over you, then you simply cannot win Survivor. Of the final three, she actually had the best feel for the game of Survivor and its strategies. She certainly played too emotionally and had a lot of holes in her gameplay, but she had a good mind for the game. However, she clearly did not care at the final tribal and wasn't even trying, obviously with good reason. You just cannot squeeze blood from a turnip.

Bob is definitely one of the worst strategic winners ever, but he is very intelligent and seems like a good guy, so whatever. There were no masterminds on this season, not even Kenny.

[Thomkal]

Yay for Bob! I thought he was going to screw himself in that final tribal council with the jury. He said nothing about winning 5 challenges in a row at his age, and next to nothing about the fake idol, and "fake" fake idol plan he worked out with Corrine that nearly worked.

I think everyone, Jeff Probst included, was surprised Susie got any votes. I guess Matty did based on what happened in his final tribal-who were the other two? But hey give her some credit, she won two individual immunities including the one she had to win to stay in the game.

Sugar was just too wishy-washy and easily swayed to have much chance against Bob. I liked her opening speech actually, being alone the most with being on Exile and finding the immunity idol so quickly and never having to play it to the end of its usefulness. But then she just gave up after that. I hope Bob gives her a bit of that $100,000 he won cause she kept him in the game more than once.

I have to say I was surprised with the final challenge. Usually its some kind of endurance challenge, this one didn't require any physicality at all really. I was surprised too that Bob did so bad with it, I would have thought that would have been a challenge tailor-made for him.

[EagleFan]

Yeah, when I heard the challenge my firt thought was tat Bob wins it hands down.

It was funny that Sugar just didn't learn and kept trying basically the same build every time for her house and of course it kept falling once it got high enough.

[Atocep]

Sugar had no prayer of winning and knew it. When your social game is bad enough that even a strategy geek like Kenny would vote for SUSIE over you, then you simply cannot win Survivor. Of the final three, she actually had the best feel for the game of Survivor and its strategies. She certainly played too emotionally and had a lot of holes in her gameplay, but she had a good mind for the game. However, she clearly did not care at the final tribal and wasn't even trying, obviously with good reason. You just cannot squeeze blood from a turnip.


Pretty much sums it up. I actually thought Sugar played the best game out of the 3 in final, but even she admitted before the final tribal that she had pissed off too many people along the way. I really think that she felt that if she had no shot at winning she would play a role in handpicking the winner and decided to help Bob out.

[Lathum]

glad for Bob.

What Corrine said about Sugars dad is unexcusable, she should rot in hell

[Atocep]

I want to add that I'm amazed that 5 people said they would have voted for Matty if he had been in the final 3. Did he do anything this season? Everyone kept mentioning how much of a physical threat he was and he was good in challenges, but didn't really win any, he was part of the worst tribe in survivor history, and was used for his vote throughout the season.

[Raiders Army]

Sugar was extremely inconsistent. She could've played the card that she was a player and manipulated people, but her mistake was bringing Bob with her to the end. That one act dashed away any hopes that she could play the card that "it's just a game".

I would be willing to bet that Sugar...ahem...Jessica is actually a very annoying person. She looked good on camera and that's why she got the edit she did. Hence, she didn't win any votes at all and Susie won three and almost beat Bob.

[Racer]

Bob is definitely one of the worst strategic winners ever, but he is very intelligent and seems like a good guy, so whatever. There were no masterminds on this season, not even Kenny.

That is similar to how I feel. I was more satisfied with the past several winners since they were all good strategists. I guess it's alright that Bob won since he seems like a genuinely good guy. I also agree there were no masterminds this season.




What Corrine said about Sugars dad is unexcusable, she should rot in hell

Totally agree on Corinne. Corinne seemed like a ruthless stuck-up, and uncaring bitch. Randy at least seemed to have some redeeming qualities on the reunion show, still not a very good guy, but not nearly as terrible as Corinne.

I want to add that I'm amazed that 5 people said they would have voted for Matty if he had been in the final 3. Did he do anything this season? Everyone kept mentioning how much of a physical threat he was and he was good in challenges, but didn't really win any, he was part of the worst tribe in survivor history, and was used for his vote throughout the season.

I think it was because of jury bitterness. Marcus, Corinne, and probably even Charlie would never have voted for Susie because she "flipped" and voted out Marcus. I don't really understand why they were pissed about since she would have been settling for 5th, 6th, or 7th place if she hadn't.

I wonder if the appearance on the show has residual effects on Randy and Corinne in the real world. I know if I've watched this season and have a wedding coming up, I'm not looking for Randy any time soon or if I am a doctor needing to buy drugs for my clinic, I'm not buying anything from Corinne.

I'm curious about that as well.


Overall, I felt pretty this season was not as entertaining or satisfying as the last few seasons.

[mauchow]

I'm surprised none of the contenstants stacked the cards up. They could have easily stacked them up at least 8 feet from how much it looked like they had.... *shrug*

Decent season and I will be there for the next one as well.

[tyketime]

Too often when it gets to the next-to-last Tribal Council, and one of the contestants chooses to take the "nicer" person to the finals, it backfires. I mean, come on... you went out there to win the game (and oh by the way... a MILLION dollars). Maybe I just can't imagine the mental aspect of the game unless I was out there for the 38 days.

When it got to the final five, I felt myself rooting more for Bob. On the other hand, a Final Three of Matty, Susie, & Sugar would have been quite interesting... because NONE of them would have deserved it.

[Swaggs]

I really enjoyed this season of Survivor a lot. I had watched ever episode of the series up until seasons 13 and 14 (I thought it had gotten stale and it seemed like they were doing to many novelty things during selections, so I quit watching after about 6 episodes of season 13) and have again from season 15+, but this is the first year I have had an HD television and it has, surprisingly, made the show much better for me.

I think folks are undercutting Bob in the strategy department because he played in a different way. He introduced effective fake idols into the game, which is a pretty novel new strategy for a game that has been on for 18 seasons. He went into the final six without any of the other players from his alliance and against five players that had spent, at least some, time in the same tribe together for a good portion of the game (while he had been in Kota the entire time, everyone else had been in Fang the whole time except Susie and Sugar, who had each been for half the game). He is not a legendary strategist or anything, but he is certainly not the worst (Vecepia and Sandra seemed to cruise into the finals without having to overcome numbers and/or doing anything as innovative as using fake idols).

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I think folks are undercutting Bob in the strategy department because he played in a different way. He introduced effective fake idols into the game, which is a pretty novel new strategy for a game that has been on for 18 seasons. He went into the final six without any of the other players from his alliance and against five players that had spent, at least some, time in the same tribe together for a good portion of the game (while he had been in Kota the entire time, everyone else had been in Fang the whole time except Susie and Sugar, who had each been for half the game). He is not a legendary strategist or anything, but he is certainly not the worst (Vecepia and Sandra seemed to cruise into the finals without having to overcome numbers and/or doing anything as innovative as using fake idols).

Agreed. While his string of wins late in the game certainly helped his cause, he did a good job of gaining favor with some of the members of the other group and stirring up the hornet's nest to get a good player out when he could.

[Swaggs]

I also think Susie played a better game than most folks are giving her credit. She totally flipped the game and cleared her own path to the finals by getting rid of Marcus. Once Marcus was gone, the alliance of Marcus/Charlie/Corrine/Randy (and they were clearly dominating the game) fell like dominoes. If she does not make that play against Marcus at that time, while the tribes were briefly separated, those four + Bob have clear sailing to the finals, in my opinion. She also won two individual immunity challenges. I have a feeling if she looked like or had been the same age as Paloma or Corrine or Kelly, she would have gotten a much more favorable edit and would have received more televised credit for her strategy and individual play.

[Autumn]

So, Bob won? I haven't been watching this season, but he's from a nearby town and I've been reading about him in the paper. That's pretty exciting. A lot of his students were saying they were amazed to find out that their teacher could lie through his teeth like that.

[Kodos]

I thought a physicist would be good at stacking cards. Not so much. I'm glad that Bob won. Loved it when he went off to practice making fire. Gotta appreciate the never-give-up mentality. It was a good season. Looking forward to the next one.

Corinne is a waste of carbon.

[LloydLungs]

Too often when it gets to the next-to-last Tribal Council, and one of the contestants chooses to take the "nicer" person to the finals, it backfires. I mean, come on... you went out there to win the game (and oh by the way... a MILLION dollars). Maybe I just can't imagine the mental aspect of the game unless I was out there for the 38 days.

But again, by the endgame, Sugar was playing on Bob's (and Matty's) behalf, not for herself. Sugar strategically engineered Bob's (or Matty's) victory, on purpose. There is probably some pretty deep psychological pathology involved in WHY, but to me it was pretty clear that her "I don't care" act was not an act. As hardcore as Survivor has gotten in recent seasons (which is a good thing, btw), I know it's hard to wrap one's mind around this.

I do give credit to Bob for the fake idol maneuvering. He was not strategically useless, just one of the weakest winners. There are almost no COMPLETELY non-strategic players anymore on Survivor (again, a good thing).

[WheelsVT]

Watched the whole season. Thought Bob was the most creative and scrappy player I've seen in awhile, and really enjoyed the finale. I thought Sugar's play was great. While I wanted Bob to win I thought Sugar's reasoning might even win her some votes if she spun it well during the discussion. Instead she just took the don't care approach. I guess she really annoyed everyone much more than I thought.

I couldn't believe how awful Corinne was throughout and after. Even though Marcus mentioned that we only saw a small part of what went on and Sugar cried a lot Corinne was always way over the top.

[Atocep]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know who the sites predicted to win based off of editing?

[Thomkal]

I think someone here said Marcus, but not sure about that

[Racer]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know who the sites predicted to win based off of editing?

Marcus was the overwhelming pick until he was eliminated. I think after that people were mostly split between Kenny and Matty.

[Atocep]

Marcus was the overwhelming pick until he was eliminated. I think after that people were mostly split between Kenny and Matty.

I asked because I was thinking Marcus, Charlie, or Kenny early on. After Marcus and Charlie were voted out I started thinking that the Survivor producers caught on and started mixing things up a bit and when Bob won it more or less confirmed it considering there were a couple episodes early in the season where Bob was hardly seen.

Overall I think this was a solid season. Not one of the very best, but still good. The weaker players did a very good job of getting the power players out early on and it removed the feeling of having an overwhelming favorite or memorable villain (despite Corrinne's late efforts). The Fang tribe will be remembered as the most incompetent tribe in the series' history.

Sugar probably goes down as the most underestimated player in any of the seasons I've watched. Bob was one of the more likable characters. I think we'll see Ace and Kenny on the next season of All-Stars. Susie was the most boring player to make it to the final 3 and somehow managed to get 3 votes. And Randy was genuinely unique.

[Swaggs]

I would definitely want Randy back if any of these castmembers are on the next All-Stars. Lots of good candidates after him, with Marcus, Bob, Ace, Kenny, Matty, and Sugar.

[law90026]

Randy was hilarious. It at least suggested that a lot of what he said was very deadpan rather than him being truly despicable. Corrine ... meh, playing the bitch card way too hard.

I was really surprised Suzie got 3 votes. If she had won, she would have been the least deserving winner of all time imo. However, this is probably an indication of how terrible it was living with Sugar. I mean, it didn't seem like many people actually had nice things to say about her.

Kenny was soooo geeky though and it was funny how he kept looking away from the camera while talking.

[LloydLungs]

Interesting postgame interview with Sugar. Ditzy? Sure. Cynical? Seems like it. Stupid? Definitely not.

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[watravaler]

But again, by the endgame, Sugar was playing on Bob's (and Matty's) behalf, not for herself. Sugar strategically engineered Bob's (or Matty's) victory, on purpose. There is probably some pretty deep psychological pathology involved in WHY, but to me it was pretty clear that her "I don't care" act was not an act. As hardcore as Survivor has gotten in recent seasons (which is a good thing, btw), I know it's hard to wrap one's mind around this.

I do give credit to Bob for the fake idol maneuvering. He was not strategically useless, just one of the weakest winners. There are almost no COMPLETELY non-strategic players anymore on Survivor (again, a good thing).

Bob probably just offered her a bigger piece of his pie compared to Matty...she knew she didn't have a chance versus any of them...

[Galaril]

Corrine is a ruthless bitch. Even Randy didn't go that far.

Again Corinne shows how much of a bitch she is. "I don't know how you survive in the real world?" She has some serious mental issues.

She is a sales rep who the fuck would buy something from her? Her comments there to Sugar way to fight bomb a career showing yourself to be petty,undisciplined, vindicative and a bitch.