"I Want Winners"

[Sun Tzu]

It's nice to have a Head Coach with some balls in San Francisco again. Marriucci was good, but was overly obsessed with saving face. He lost numerous games because he would start running the clock out late in the 3rd/early in the 4th with only a one TD lead. He just flat out lacked finishing ability. It's like everytime he won, he wanted to win while shaking his opponents hand and paying his wife a compliment. Erickson was...well...a yes man with a headset on. The man was just "utterly forgettable" to quote Simon Cowell. Nolan was like a Marriucci without the people skills...and the winning.

"“I told him that he would do a better job for us right now taking a shower and coming back and watching the game than going out on the field"

[Bigsmooth]

I really like what Singletary is bringing to the table. As a Hawks fan, I'm a little concerned that he will end up a much better hire than Mora Jr.

[molson]

Didn't this guy just get blown out by one of the worst teams in football?

He's a HOF player and a motivational speaker. We don't know anything more than that yet.

[Groundhog]

If incidents like this lead to the team having more success the players might buy in to it, but if the losing continues and he keeps reprimanding guys like this, he could lose control of the players pretty quickly.

[SunDevil]

At the very least, I look forward to the Coors Light Commercial that is made from this press conference. :D

[TroyF]

If incidents like this lead to the team having more success the players might buy in to it, but if the losing continues and he keeps reprimanding guys like this, he could lose control of the players pretty quickly.

Exactly. You can only take that tact a few times before you lose the locker room. Once, not a bad call. We'll see where he goes from here.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Didn't this guy just get blown out by one of the worst teams in football?

He's a HOF player and a motivational speaker. We don't know anything more than that yet.

Yeah, that's my take as well. His message is definitely refreshing, but if the 49ers don't come out and play well next week, things could get rough. The message, true as it maybe, may wear thin quickly.

[Galaxy]

He sounds like he may be a great college coach.

[BYU 14]

At the very least, I look forward to the Coors Light Commercial that is made from this press conference. :D

"So coach, why did you throw the guys that didn't bring Coors light to your party out into the street?"

Singletary: I want winners!!!!

[AgustusM]

Singletary sends a message | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA (http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081026/NEWS/810260269/1055/SPORTS09?Title=Singletary_sends_a_message)

As a lifelong 49ers fan I was a little wary of the Singletary thing at first since he had so little experience, but I must say he turned me around with his performance on Sunday.

I thought this article showed very well that there is a new sheriff in town.

[molson]

Singletary sends a message | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA (http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081026/NEWS/810260269/1055/SPORTS09?Title=Singletary_sends_a_message)

As a lifelong 49ers fan I was a little wary of the Singletary thing at first since he had so little experience, but I must say he turned me around with his performance on Sunday.

I thought this article showed very well that there is a new sheriff in town.

You know you're in the honeymoon period when you "turn things around" by losing by 3 TDs to a 1-5 team at home.

[stevew]

Plus-The fact that he definitely has Denny Green potential
Plus-He seems to want to run the rock.

Minus-I wouldn't care about this team at all, but I have Gore on my fantasy team. Hence, I'm thoroughly monitoring this situatiohn.

[DeToxRox]

Singletary sounds an awful lot like Rod Marinelli. A position coach with no coordinating experience who had an amazing message for his team.

And now ..

[Barkeep49]

Singletary sounds an awful lot like Rod Marinelli. A position coach with no coordinating experience who had an amazing message for his team.

And now ..
First year coaches who were position coaches have a pretty darn good record so far this season. As a 49'ers fan who grew up in the Chicago area I am happy to see Singletary get his shot. As others have pointed out, it is definitely a fine line between pushing the team and losing it and hopefully he stays on the right side of the line.

[saldana]

it takes more than a week to "turn around" a team. i agree that the ranting will wear thin quickly, but if there is a single word to describe the niners while Nolan was the coach, it is "undisciplined". i have never seen so many penalties taken for stupid antics from one team as i did from the niners the past couple of weeks, so if singletary does nothing else, getting the stupidity to stop will make the team better. that and the fact that he has already benched jt osullivan make me happy about the situation

[Matthean]

He sounds like he may be a great college coach.

He was at one time to be rumored to be going to Baylor, but I think he being a college coach is where he ultimately ends up.

[Fighter of Foo]

Unfortunately, that whole less talent thing is still going to be a problem.

[Logan]

Unfortunately, that whole less talent thing is still going to be a problem.

There's actually plenty of talent on the roster, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Problem is there's no talent at the most important position of them all, and Sullivan can't even hold on to the god damn ball, let alone throw it effectively. Plus injuries to the OL have made that problem worse.

[chesapeake]

Singletary is one week into his tenure with the team and he has shown his players that he will demand accountability for their performance. O'Sullivan makes an awful game-changing decision just before the half, so he gets his butt put on the bench. Good. Hill played much better.

Vernon Davis does something stupid, he gets sent to the showers. I like it. The first thing you need to do to change a team accustomed to losing is to make it clear that won't be tolerated anymore.

That said, it will be interesting to see if he or his coordinators have the locker room skills to get the team to buy into what Singletary is selling. Davis will be an interesting case in point. He is an immensely talented tight end, but hasn't been able to play with any consistency on the field. Now that the coach has publicly called him out, will Singletary be able to convert him into a believer?

Personally, I think he will if the Niner's management gives him the backing he needs to convince the team that they cannot simply wait him out.

[Deattribution]

I think way too much fuss is being made about this for a guy who got stomped by a team even worse than his in his debut. Not to mention there wasn't anything he said publicly that he couldn't have told his team privately.

It's not as if he has some huge winning credentials that they're going to blindly follow him after he's the one that sold them out publicly. At least when Denny Green and Herm Edwards did it they had won some games and got to the playoffs (and you can see how that worked out ultimately for them anyway).

[Sun Tzu]

People ripping on him because he lost by several touchdowns is rediculous. The guy has been a head coach for 5 days, and he inherited a team with a multitude of different problems accross the board. A true "turnaround" for a team like this would require an entire offseason. The most he'll get from the remaining 8 games is finding out who is worth keeping for next year, and who will be riding the pine/seeking work elsewhere.

[albionmoonlight]

I'm just happy that the NFL has a coach who dares to be slightly entertaining. I am sure that after a while, he will act and talk like a corporate drone like the rest of them. But let's just enjoy a coach demonstrating real human emotion for a change.

[chesapeake]

It's not as if he has some huge winning credentials that they're going to blindly follow him after he's the one that sold them out publicly. At least when Denny Green and Herm Edwards did it they had won some games and got to the playoffs (and you can see how that worked out ultimately for them anyway).

He is a Super Bowl champion and a Hall of Famer. Those are some nice "winning" credentials. Even with no head coaching experience, that provides some immediate credibility in the locker room. That doesn't mean that everyone, or even anyone, will listen to him. Ultimately, he'll need the backing of the organization to be able to impose his will over the team.

He's hardly the first tough guy coach. Tom Coughlin is considered to be one of the hardest of hard-ass coaches. That seems to be working for him.

Singletary is being himself. I think that is always a good first step for any coach.

[molson]

People ripping on him because he lost by several touchdowns is rediculous. The guy has been a head coach for 5 days, and he inherited a team with a multitude of different problems accross the board. A true "turnaround" for a team like this would require an entire offseason. The most he'll get from the remaining 8 games is finding out who is worth keeping for next year, and who will be riding the pine/seeking work elsewhere.

I think that response is just in response to those that who have already credited him to "turning the team around", and those who have anointed him as the next great coach.

[Fighter of Foo]

He's hardly the first tough guy coach. Tom Coughlin is considered to be one of the hardest of hard-ass coaches. That seems to be working for him.


Coughlin wore out his welcome in JAX and was close to getting fired in NY before the Giants went on their Super Bowl run.

The lesson as always is that winning coaches get to stick around.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Prediction: Singletary isn't coaching the 49ers by this time in 2011.
And will be lucky if he's coaching them at this point in 2010.

[chesapeake]

Prediction: Singletary isn't coaching the 49ers by this time in 2011.
And will be lucky if he's coaching them at this point in 2010.

I couldn't care less either way, but just for fun, I will take the other side of this one. Singletary has generated a lot of interest in the NFL as a head coaching prospect. If the team appears to be making progress after the bye week coming up, I think they will take the "interrim" label off.

Regardless, I believe that he will be a head coach somewhere in 2011, even if the Niners dump him at the end of the season. His old school style will appeal to some owner that wants to bring in someone to clean house.

[molson]

How many HOF players have been great coaches? Why is that suddenly considered some kind of qualification to be an NFL head coach?

I'm sick of him already. He comes in, shows emotion, and embarasses his players. You or I could do that. That's not talent. There's a reason other coaches are more restrained.

[Crim]

You know you're in the honeymoon period when you "turn things around" by losing by 3 TDs to a 1-5 team at home.

molson wins the thread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If the team appears to be making progress after the bye week coming up, I think they will take the "interrim" label off.

Oh I agree, I don't even think the standard to get that done is particularly high.
I really figured it was a foregone conclusion at this point to be honest. My prediction should have read (I guess) that he'll get the job full-time and then be fired by this time in '11.

I see him as far more "suspect" than "prospect" as HC's go & I believe his act will wear thin extremely quickly.

[Logan]

Prediction: Singletary isn't coaching the 49ers by this time in 2011.
And will be lucky if he's coaching them at this point in 2010.

The way my team's front office has been run, this might be a good thing for Singletary's career.

How many HOF players have been great coaches? Why is that suddenly considered some kind of qualification to be an NFL head coach?

Well, the guy he learned from went from being a HOF player to a great coach. But that doesn't matter. HOF players may or not be great coaches, good players may or not be great coaches, career backups may or not be great coaches, and guys who have never played professionally may or not be great coaches. There's no standard to follow.

And whether you or anyone else believes it to be true, his playing career isn't what qualified him to be a head coach. It isn't like he landed some token assistant job with the Bears that was given to him for what he did for the franchise. He had no ties to the Niners but obviously they felt he was qualified enough to come in to lead the LBs, and by viewing his performance and how players responded to him, gave him the bump. You and I and anyone else who wasn't in camp or in the locker room don't have a clue as to why he was chosen to get the job. If they wanted to go with an easy qualification (like getting a team to the Super Bowl), they had a guy on staff who would have been that easy choice.

[molson]

He had no ties to the Niners but obviously they felt he was qualified enough to come in to lead the LBs, and by viewing his performance and how players responded to him, gave him the bump. You and I and anyone else who wasn't in camp or in the locker room don't have a clue as to why he was chosen to get the job. If they wanted to go with an easy qualification (like getting a team to the Super Bowl), they had a guy on staff who would have been that easy choice.

I'm sure there were also reasons they hired Mike Nolan and Dennis Erickson.

What are the 49ers' fans expectations here? Does Singeltary need to get deep into the playoffs next year to meet them? Does it matter if he doesn't win at all this year?

[chesapeake]

How many HOF players have been great coaches? Why is that suddenly considered some kind of qualification to be an NFL head coach?

I'm sick of him already. He comes in, shows emotion, and embarasses his players. You or I could do that. That's not talent. There's a reason other coaches are more restrained.

Being in the HOF has gotten a lot of guys coaching jobs, even if only Ditka can claim to have been good at both. There is nothing sudden about that. I suspect, though, that being the assistant head coach in SF for the last 3.5 years was more of a factor in him being named interrim had coach.

I don't know how much SF football you have watched, but Vernon Davis deserved a public humiliation. He is a clown. JT O'Sullivan should have been benched. He has been awful and was killing his team on Sunday. It is no accident that SF started playing much better on offense with Shawn Hill at QB.

That Singletary did it means a lot more than you or I doing it because Singletary played exactly how he apparently is insisting that others play.

And, again, he may fail miserably. But I like that he is getting a chance. And I see nothing wrong with kicking some butts on a losing team.

[Logan]

I'm not going to debate whether it was the right or wrong call (obviously we can't say now anyway), but my point is that he didn't get the job just because he was a HOF player like you said.

I'll only speak for myself, but I don't expect him to do anything with this team until the QB situation is solved. The performance has been complete shit and I don't know how anyone would be able to win with it. The FA situation is once again bad, my guess is they deal a pick to add someone who should at least be capable.

[Bad-example]

I think that response is just in response to those that who have already credited him to "turning the team around", and those who have anointed him as the next great coach.

No one has said he has turned the team around. No one has annointed him the next great coach.

[Logan]

No one has said he has turned the team around. No one has annointed him the next great coach.

...outside of random internet fans or members of the media, who all fall into that "doesn't know shit" camp I mentioned before.

[Deattribution]

His winning credentials as a player have nothing to do with coaching. Matt Millen won 4 super bowls, that doesn't mean he had 4 super bowls backing him as a GM.


People ripping on him because he lost by several touchdowns is rediculous. The guy has been a head coach for 5 days, and he inherited a team with a multitude of different problems accross the board. A true "turnaround" for a team like this would require an entire offseason. The most he'll get from the remaining 8 games is finding out who is worth keeping for next year, and who will be riding the pine/seeking work elsewhere.

Is he being paid to coach or to be a press secretary?

Ripping on him for losing isn't ridiculous, he can give the greatest post game conferences ever but it doesn't matter if the team doesn't win. They're in a weak, winnable division - that's why they got rid of Nolan. Not to determine who should be riding the pine while losing the rest of the year.

If his team responds to it, it's great and he'll have time to work with the team otherwise I don't see him lasting beyond this year, so having him around as a talent evaluator is a waste. I think making the kind of news he has hurts him and his team more than it helps.

People want to name Tom Coughlin as an example, I don't remember Tom Coughlin, or any other coach for that matter calling out a team that he's only coached for 1 game. He'll sink or swim now thanks to that presser.

[Logan]

People want to name Tom Coughlin as an example, I don't remember Tom Coughlin, or any other coach for that matter calling out a team that he's only coached for 1 game. He'll sink or swim now thanks to that presser.

Do you think the LBs worked out in their own bubble for 4 years? Think he wasn't watching his guys destroy this tight end during practice? The tight end who goes to the media and declares himself to be the best tight end in the league?

VD is a disease in more ways than one. He's all talk, he takes stupid penalties, and he drops balls that drill him in the chest. I'm starting to think that those who are criticizing this believe that this was some random verbal assault on a player who has done nothing wrong.

[Deattribution]

Do you think the LBs worked out in their own bubble for 4 years? Think he wasn't watching his guys destroy this tight end during practice? The tight end who goes to the media and declares himself to be the best tight end in the league?

VD is a disease in more ways than one. He's all talk, he takes stupid penalties, and he drops balls that drill him in the chest. I'm starting to think that those who are criticizing this believe that this was some random verbal assault on a player who has done nothing wrong.

So that requires a public tirade?

He talks about wanting to get rid of team cancers, then he says Vernon Davis isn't a problem guy. He says he only wants winners, but his team looked like the worse team in the league, partly because of his inept coaching decisions and he hasn't won a single game yet as a head coach. He doesn't want guys who aren't selling out on the field, then he sells his team out in front of everyone when he hasn't even proved if he can coach yet.

Coaching LBs and coaching an entire team is quite a big difference.

He might end up being a great coach, I just think he's already screwed himself. He could very well prove me wrong in the following weeks, we'll see.

[molson]

So that requires a public tirade?

He talks about wanting to get rid of team cancers, then he says Vernon Davis isn't a problem guy. He says he only wants winners, but his team looked like the worse team in the league, partly because of his inept coaching decisions and he hasn't won a single game yet as a head coach. He doesn't want guys who aren't selling out on the field, then he sells his team out in front of everyone when he hasn't even proved if he can coach yet.

Coaching LBs and coaching an entire team is quite a big difference.

He might end up being a great coach, I just think he's already screwed himself. He could very well prove me wrong in the following weeks, we'll see.

He's in the honeymoon period, but he's going to have to back off publicly embarrassing players. That won't sit well with the people that actually pick the players unless he wins big on the field (and even then, they'll wait for him to slip up so they can get rid of him).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Think he wasn't watching his guys destroy this tight end during practice?

Judging from a quote I saw earlier today, the opposite seemed to be more of an issue (i.e. Davis has to be told to back off in practice & not kill his teammates).

[cartman]

VD is a disease in more ways than one.

I see what you did here. :D

[Logan]

Judging from a quote I saw earlier today, the opposite seemed to be more of an issue (i.e. Davis has to be told to back off in practice & not kill his teammates).

That doesn't surprise me if we're just talking about being physical. But the guy can't block the rush, doesn't know when to break off a route and settle into a zone, and constantly gets baited by smarter LBs. That's where I was coming from.

[adubroff]

I got bad Ray Rhodes flashbacks as an Eagle fan. I wouldn't say for sure that he's going to be good or bad, but he can't do what he did every week. If he has another gear he can make this work. Coughlin won last year in part because he downshifted.

[Crim]

I'm sure there were also reasons they hired Mike Nolan and Dennis Erickson.

What are the 49ers' fans expectations here? Does Singeltary need to get deep into the playoffs next year to meet them? Does it matter if he doesn't win at all this year?

All die respect, et cetera blah blah, but this is a stupid question. Delete "Singletary", and insert name of every other unproven coach ever hired in the history of ever. How is this germane to the discussion?

[Crim]

No one has said he has turned the team around. No one has annointed him the next great coach.

I was about to disagree with you, and went back to the beginning of the thread to prove it, and I see now that I (and maybe molson as well) seem to have misread this post by AgustusM:

Singletary sends a message | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA (http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081026/NEWS/810260269/1055/SPORTS09?Title=Singletary_sends_a_message)

As a lifelong 49ers fan I was a little wary of the Singletary thing at first since he had so little experience, but I must say he turned me around with his performance on Sunday.
I thought this article showed very well that there is a new sheriff in town.

[molson]

All die respect, et cetera blah blah, but this is a stupid question. Delete "Singletary", and insert name of every other unproven coach ever hired in the history of ever. How is this germane to the discussion?

It matters here because Singletary has more excitement surrounding him than any other unproven coach that I think of. It would just be a completely different take by the media and message board poster if the 49ers hired a non-HOF linebacker coach. 49ers fans are delirious. So I was just curious what they actually expect in terms of w/l.

I also misread AgustusM's post - I wonder if he edited it.

[chesapeake]

If all Singletary ever does is call out players in public, then he will suck as a coach. Doing it once after a lame performance by his team 5 days into his tenure as head coach is no big deal and sends a message to the team that things will be different.

[digamma]

I assume people have seen this, or it has been posted:

Video: Stupid Reporter Asks Mike Singletary If He Called Bill Walsh | BuzzCuts | buzzcuts.com (http://buzzcuts.uproxx.com/sports/4837)

[Sun Tzu]

I assume people have seen this, or it has been posted:

http://buzzcuts.uproxx.com/sports/4837 (https://rmail.westernasset.com/OWA/redir.aspx?C=59e2ba03b59a449d9c875e538dbd4ca4&URL=http%3a%2f%2fbuzzcuts.uproxx.com%2fsports%2f4837)

That just leads to someones OWA.

What the 49ers fans here expect is some kind of improvement next year. If we only win 1 more game this year, I don't see it hurting Singletary, and that's just because he's off the hook as far as performance goes. Like someone else here said, he's in the honeymoon period. Another person here said something else...and I forget who said it earlier in this thread, but it sounded rediculously stupid. They said "he hasn't won a single game as a head coach", saying he made a multitude of inept coaching decisions and his team looked like the worst team in the league. Is that a joke? Is that supposed to mean that because the ONE game he's been a head coach for, of which he had about 3 days to adjust to being a head coach, that he has no right to say anything but "it's my fault, it's my fault, it's my fault" to the media? Does that mean that a good coach would have won the game convincingly in the same exact circumstances? Please.

Vernon Davis has been a prima donna since he showed up here. He has acted up and drawn penalties in damn near every...single...game this year, and a good majority of the games in the last two years. On top of that he's notorious for starting fights during practice (of which I have witnessed more than one). He uses the excuse "I just get really emotional on the field" which is great if you're producing decent numbers and using that emotion in positive ways. Instead he's been jumping offsides, hitting people late, dropping passes left and right and blaming everyone but himself, and pounding his chest in the 4th quarter after he makes his first catch of the game...when we're losing by 3 TD's. He's the only player on the team that can compete with Alex Smith for boo's from the crowd. Even his teammates said after the game that it's about time this happened. His own teammates said to the media that this crap has been going on long enough and they're happy to see someone actually do something about it.

Singletary did two things in this last game that should have been done weeks ago. #1 He pulled J.T. O'Sullivan out of the game and put in Shaun Hill. Shaun played excellent football last year, and he deserved to start out this year as the starting QB. I believe (and most others here share this belief) that if he had started the year at QB we would a couple more wins under our belts. #2 He put Vernon Davis is his place. Enough is enough, and it's time for "Click Clack" to not only put up, but shutup.

What Singletary did was call out someone who deserved to be called out in public. Someone like this isn't going to straighten out if you just pull him aside. We know this because Singletary said specifically that he pulled Davis aside last week and they had a long talk about him playing smarter and not making stupid mistakes. I'm willing to bet that Nolan had talked to him on multiple occasions about the same things. There have also been multiple stories in every paper within 100 miles of here, talking about how Davis commits too many stupid penalties and how his "emotional state on the field" has only been hurting him since he was drafted. Singletary to me comes off as someone who is very logical, and also knows how to work with people. Those who think this is going to be the standard postgame speech for him, and that he will telling players to hit the showers after every bad penalty, are overreacting badly.

[digamma]

That just leads to someones OWA.



Should be fixed.

[Deattribution]

Based on reports that surfaced recently in Arizona, there’s another “thing” Singletary supposedly did on Sunday that some players might deem to be just plain “wrong.”

Per Dan Bickley of the Arizona Republic and Mike Jurecki of XTRA 910, Singletary’s halftime speech to the team included the fledgling head coach dropping his pants, showing the players his bare ass, and pointing to it, apparently as a visual aid to display Singletary’s belief that the team was getting its ass kicked. (Hey, it beats the hell out of studying film.)

According to the reports, Singletary then addressed the team for three or four minutes with his pants around his ankles.


Riiiight, maybe the guy ends up being a motivating genius but I don't see the Singletary show lasting too long.

[Sun Tzu]

I heard (seriously) that Ditka did this years ago, and that's where he got it. It's a bit crazy, but most who have played organized ball for long enough have seen something like this (if not worse) in the locker room. It's rare that anything involving locker room antics ever gets out in the media, but when it's does some people like to act surprised.

Deattribution, there's definitely some unresolved issues involving Singletary (or possibly just the Niners/Bears) there up in your noggin.

[Deattribution]

Deattribution, there's definitely some unresolved issues involving Singletary (or possibly just the Niners/Bears) there up in your noggin.

Why? Because I don't agree with you?

Here's another bit from that same article -

As one league insider observed, “I just don’t think coming out that strong was the right approach. Especially with a team as untalented as the Niners are. The minute he says the wrong thing or does the wrong thing, he’s lost the locker room.”

I guess he has unresolved issues with Singletary as well, and so does Michael Wilbon (who is a chicago native, a huge bears fan and a Singletary fan) who agreed with his initial approach then later said he needs to let it go quickly before coming on too strong, and literally hundreds (probably thousands) of other people who don't agree with his approach thus far, It's about 50/50 at best. Not the 110% the only people who disagree are in this thread stuff you're trying to whine it into. :rolleyes:

[Travis]

I heard (seriously) that Ditka did this years ago, and that's where he got it. It's a bit crazy, but most who have played organized ball for long enough have seen something like this (if not worse) in the locker room. It's rare that anything involving locker room antics ever gets out in the media, but when it's does some people like to act surprised.

Deattribution, there's definitely some unresolved issues involving Singletary (or possibly just the Niners/Bears) there up in your noggin.

It's one thing to pull these kinds of moves as head coach, but to do them all during game one of your tenure, I mean, what does he do for an encore after the bye week? I know he's not new to the team, but still, space out the shock and awe acts or they're going to lose meaning really fast.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Vernon Davis has been a prima donna since he showed up here. He has acted up and drawn penalties in damn near every...single...game this year, and a good majority of the games in the last two years.

Once again, someone says something that makes me wonder about perception versus reality. Let's go to the pbp logs & see what they say. I don't know the guy from Adam's housecat but I'm oddly curious.

Wk 1 vs Ari -- 3 penalties on SF, none on Davis
Wk 2 vs Sea -- 9 penalties on SF, none credited to Davis (2 unspecified)
Wk 3 vs Det -- 3 penalties on SF, none credited to Davis (1 unspecified)
Wk 4 vs NO -- 9 penalties on SF, none on Davis
Wk 5 vs NE -- 6 penalties on SF, none on Davis
Wk 6 vs Phl -- 10 penalties on SF, 2 off. holding on Davis (1 unspecified)
Wk 7 vs NYG --13 penalties on SF, none on Davis (1 unspecified)
Wk 8 vs Sea -- 7 penalties on SF, 1 unsportsmanlike on Davis

Granted the logs don't seem to account for penalties that were declined and there are a few that weren't attached to a specific player, but I was definitely expecting to find more than three penalties over 8 games.

[chesapeake]

I think that folks that are down on Singletary here are discounting his choice of targets.

Exhibit A is JT O'Sullivan who got benched before the half -- just after throwing an interception on their only good drive of the half that went for TD for Seattle. That was a real game changer -- at least a 10 point swing if not the full 14. O'Sullivan went into the game as the man responsible for the most turnovers in the NFL this season and he had already fumbled twice in the game and thrown that int. He belonged on the bench. Nolan should have done it already.

Exhibit B is sending Vernon Davis to the showers early. Davis was a first round pick in 2006 and has been, by most accounts, a prima donna and a disappointment. This season, he has only 16 catches in 8 games. In 5 of those games, he had either one or zero catches. He has not scored this year.

I submit to you that Singletary picked his targets wisely. Will it work? Who knows? Letting O'Sullivan and Davis continue to stink up the joint wasn't working. Maybe busting some heads will.

[Sun Tzu]

*response to Jon *

I was stating "acting up" and "drawing penalties" as being two separate things he has been doing. If he doesn't do both in a game, he's been a near garauntee for one. I don't know how pulling stats could possibly show how a player has been a distraction. I see where you were going based on how you interpreted my post, but I wouldn't for a second think to look @ the stat logs to prove it. If you don't live in the bay area or at least follow the team on a day to day basis, there's a pretty small chance you have heard about a player who is a distraction on a bottom dweller team.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't know how pulling stats could possibly show how a player has been a distraction.

And as you figured out already, I made no claim one way or the other about whether he's a distraction. I did indeed interpret your post as being "both" of those things in nearly every game not "one or the other" of those things.

Like I said, I don't give a damn about Davis one way or the other, it was just one of those things that happens occasionally where I'm struck curious to see if the numbers matched (what I thought you were saying was your) perception.

[cartman]

Maybe this is the reason Charles Haley hasn't gotten a head coaching position.

:D

[Crim]

Maybe this is the reason Charles Haley hasn't gotten a head coaching position.

:D

That'll do, Pig, that'll do.

[DeToxRox]

I think that folks that are down on Singletary here are discounting his choice of targets.

Exhibit A is JT O'Sullivan who got benched before the half -- just after throwing an interception on their only good drive of the half that went for TD for Seattle. That was a real game changer -- at least a 10 point swing if not the full 14. O'Sullivan went into the game as the man responsible for the most turnovers in the NFL this season and he had already fumbled twice in the game and thrown that int. He belonged on the bench. Nolan should have done it already.

Exhibit B is sending Vernon Davis to the showers early. Davis was a first round pick in 2006 and has been, by most accounts, a prima donna and a disappointment. This season, he has only 16 catches in 8 games. In 5 of those games, he had either one or zero catches. He has not scored this year.

I submit to you that Singletary picked his targets wisely. Will it work? Who knows? Letting O'Sullivan and Davis continue to stink up the joint wasn't working. Maybe busting some heads will.

Vernon Davis makes a helluva' lot of money. I wouldn't say he is an ideal target because you can't exactly cut him. JTO, sure, but to call out a guy with a top 10 pick contract? Seems stupid to me, even if he is in the wrong.

[chesapeake]

Vernon Davis makes a helluva' lot of money. I wouldn't say he is an ideal target because you can't exactly cut him. JTO, sure, but to call out a guy with a top 10 pick contract? Seems stupid to me, even if he is in the wrong.

I'm sort of with you and sort of not on this point. Looking up his contract, the cap hit would be substantial -- maybe about $4.5 million -- if you cut him just after the season. You could spread it out over 2 years by cutting him after July 1. $2.25 mil off the cap for 2 years isn't chump change, but it is not the end of the world in NFL terms.

As near as I know, though, Singletary hasn't threatened to cut the guy. That is speculation on our part. Kicking Davis in the butt like this, although a little unorthodox, is not a lot unorthodox. I am a little surprised that there isn't any follow-up in the SF papers on this incident. All seems quiet on the bye week.