Michael Moore

[Super Ugly]

I don't know if anyone watched the Oscars ... What did people think of Michael Moore winning? After reading the debate on this board, I'd be interested in knowing what people thought of his speech, as well as the reaction to it. Personally, I think he's great, if a little self-righteous.

[CamEdwards]

I think he's an overblown windbag, and I had that opinion of him long before his rant from the Oscar stage.

[Fritz]

Didn't watch the Oscars, and so I didn't see his comments, but this guy needs to choke on a porkchop more than almost anyone I know of.

[Tekneek]

Well, is somebody going to sum up his speech? I can imagine he called Bush an idiot, said he stole the election, said we had no business going to war without the UN telling us to, said we need to get rid of all guns all over the world, need to pay more taxes... Hmmm. Did I leave anything out?

I didn't see it though, so I am just guessing based off of things I have read from him.

[Ben E Lou]

Is he the fat guy my wife was laughing at and called me into the room to see get booed???

[CamEdwards]

To sum up...



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Reuters
Sunday, March 23, 2003; 10:36 PM



LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Politics grabbed center stage at the Academy Awards on Sunday as the winner for best documentary, director Michael Moore, charged President Bush with waging a "fictitious war."

Wagging his finger from the stage as he was both applauded and booed by the assembled celebrities, Moore said, "We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you."

Moore won for "Bowling for Columbine," a provocative film on the roots of gun violence in America, whose title refers to the Colorado high school where two students massacred 13 people before killing themselves in 1999.

Moore, who received a standing ovation from the assembled celebrities, invited the other nominees for best documentary film to join him onstage in solidarity against the war against Iraq.

"We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in a time where we have fictitious election results, that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons," Moore said.

Oscar host Steve Martin joked after Moore finished speaking that "the Teamsters are helping Mr. Moore into the trunk of his limo."

[rexalllsc]

Nice to hear him get booed off stage. hahaha

[stkelly52]

THe guy is an ignorant fool who lives in his own ficticious world.

[Tekneek]

I just knew he would have to bring up the election. Sensible people have given up that ghost already, but Michael Moore just can't get over it. He thinks he knows everything.

[Super Ugly]

I dunno, it was good to see that the Hollywood elite doesn't just blindly hop on EVERY bandwaggon that comes along. I saw his movie, I liked it, and I agree with a lot of what he has to say. I understand that people want to rally around their President, but let's not forget the controversy that surrounded his election. Even if you don't agree with him, maybe it'd be good to check out that book he wrote.

[Tekneek]

Michael Moore rewrites history, and has in everything he has ever done. He is a showman, and an author, but he fudges on some details when it makes his presentation work a little better. He does live, work, and sleep in a ficticious version of the real world, although only slightly off from the real non-fiction world.

While he probably makes you think from time to time, you can't rely on him as a source of real information. All of his claims *must* be checked out by at least two or three sources, and often he is wrong or is distorting the real truth. I guess it works though, so good for him. He gets close enough to the truth that most people don't ride him too hard for it.

[MrBug708]

I dunno, it was good to see that the Hollywood elite doesn't just blindly hop on EVERY bandwaggon that comes along.


You mean like coming out against the war? Ya, I'd hate to see Celebs talk about how they aren't in favor of the war

[TroyF]

I used to really like Michael Moore. Roger & Me and his TV show were both well done and funny. He used to rip on EVERY facet of corporate and political corruption.

Somewhere along the way, he stopped being critical of everyone and decided Republicans were the only ones who ever made mistakes. He then started making fatal flaws that he continues to make to this day. . . as Tekneek said above, he now stretches the truth and actually INVENTS the truth so it fits his needs.

His comments directly after 9/11 are an example. (you can search on Snopes.com and find his comments along with the real truth)

By lying and only looking for corruption in one side of the government, he lost all credibility as an "expert" in anything. He may as well be paid by the Democratic party for his lobbying.

I still read some of his works (borrowed, not purchased) because I believe both sides of an arguement need to be looked at. As far as taking anything he says seriously, he's lost that right IMO.

TroyF

[Fritz]

TroyF's snopes ref:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

[rexalllsc]

Originally posted by Tekneek
Michael Moore rewrites history, and has in everything he has ever done. He is a showman, and an author, but he fudges on some details when it makes his presentation work a little better. He does live, work, and sleep in a ficticious version of the real world, although only slightly off from the real non-fiction world.

While he probably makes you think from time to time, you can't rely on him as a source of real information. All of his claims *must* be checked out by at least two or three sources, and often he is wrong or is distorting the real truth. I guess it works though, so good for him. He gets close enough to the truth that most people don't ride him too hard for it.

Orin Hatch to Moore: "Many of the things you present as 'fact' in your movie are false"

Moore: "How can comedy be wrong?"

Idiot.

[Super Ugly]

True, he is a little obsessed with bringing down the Bush Empire. But he isn't exactly sparing when it comes to the Democrats. He does seem to have a hard on for Ralph Nader, though, despite the fact that he was dissed by the dude not long after that election.

[TroyF]

Super Ugly,

Really? He isn't sparing with the democrats? Exactly what has he done that is critical of the democrats in the past 10 years? Has he ever outright lied about democrats doing horrific things to the American people?

Sorry, I'll say it again, your boy is nothing more than a lobbyist for the democratic party. Think of him as a Rush Limbaugh for the democrats. When you are a "serious" journalist and documentary maker, you don't lie to prove your point. When you do, you lose all credibility. His left him a long time ago. I find it amazing that he's even taken seriously by anyone now.

His Oscar is NOT surprising. There isn't any question which way Hollywood leans. Just figure out what the pulse of America is, and turn the other way.

TroyF

[TroyF]

DOLA,

Thanks for the link Fritz. :)

TroyF

[Super Ugly]

"Really? He isn't sparing with the democrats? Exactly what has he done that is critical of the democrats in the past 10 years? Has he ever outright lied about democrats doing horrific things to the American people?"

If you can bear it, *borrow* a copy of 'Stupid White Men' and you'll see what I mean. That's probably the first time I ever saw Bill Clinton referred to as a war criminal (if I've got that right). And for the record, he is not my 'boy'. I just think that as a comedian he's funny, and that his shows tend to be a whole lot frsher than 90% of the crap that's out there. Like my colleague Tekneek says, you can't rely on him as a reliable source of information - not him, nor anyone else out there. Anyone who does so deserves everything they get, regardless of their political slant.

[sabotai]

I agree (kind of) with TroyF. I used to love his show TV Nation. It was a cool show. (Never saw Roger and Me). But not reading his newest book, I wouldn't know what he said about Clinton. But he is funny, you have to give him that. For some reason, liberals are always so much funnier in their jokes about republicans than repubs are toward liberals. Just ym observation. :)

[mrskippy]

Michael Moore is an ignorant ass. I hope he realizes how ignorant his comments were. This war is more than "fictitious" and is indeed very real.

He is complaining about an election that happened 2 1/2 years ago. Bush won fair and square, whether he likes it or not. My take on those people in Florida is this -- check your ballot next time. I always, always, always double check my ballot that I marked it right and voted for who I wanted to. My guess is most just wrote it off and this time it caught up to them.

Michael Moore needs to get a grip. He shouldn't be shocked by the audience reaction. His comments were insensitive. While he may think everyone in Hollywood is a Democrat and an activist ... many of them are in support of our troops.

I also was thinking ... this war also in a little way ... protects Hollywood. Iraq censors American movies.

For the most part tonight's speeches were in good taste.

[rexalllsc]

Originally posted by Super Ugly
True, he is a little obsessed with bringing down the Bush Empire. But he isn't exactly sparing when it comes to the Democrats. He does seem to have a hard on for Ralph Nader, though, despite the fact that he was dissed by the dude not long after that election.

What happened?

[rexalllsc]

Originally posted by Super Ugly
"Really? He isn't sparing with the democrats? Exactly what has he done that is critical of the democrats in the past 10 years? Has he ever outright lied about democrats doing horrific things to the American people?"

If you can bear it, *borrow* a copy of 'Stupid White Men' and you'll see what I mean. That's probably the first time I ever saw Bill Clinton referred to as a war criminal (if I've got that right). And for the record, he is not my 'boy'. I just think that as a comedian he's funny, and that his shows tend to be a whole lot frsher than 90% of the crap that's out there. Like my colleague Tekneek says, you can't rely on him as a reliable source of information - not him, nor anyone else out there. Anyone who does so deserves everything they get, regardless of their political slant.

Like you said: "...you can't rely on him as a reliable source of information..."

Yet, he tries to present things as fact, which is where the problem lies.

[sabotai]

"He is complaining about an election that happened 2 1/2 years ago. "

Yeah, just like republicans can't stop complaining about a sexual encounter Clinton had 7 years age! :D

(Sorry, but I find it funny how people say 'just get over it' about an election that happened 2 1/2 years ago when they can't stop talking about Clinton which happened an much longer time ago. Not attacking you specifically, mrskippy, just making a general observation.)

[mrskippy]

Originally posted by sabotai

Yeah, just like republicans can't stop complaining about a sexual encounter Clinton had 7 years age! :D

I'm a Republican, but I have no complaints about Bill Clinton's sexual encounters. He was a great leader for eight years. Why so many people made an issue with his sex life is beyond me?

The problem I have with the election complaints are that these voters could have checked their ballot and made sure they voted correctly. It takes 30 seconds to double check and there's nothing wrong with filling out a corrected ballot. Oh and the fact that many people don't vote to begin with.

Bush is the President and that's that. My belief is that you should
respect the President. Sadly, it's also party politics. Grrr!!! :mad:

[sabotai]

According to many peopel in Florida, they did just that. They were told to right on the ballot who they were voting for. The problem is, of course, they might have been ignore and the optical machines don't pick up writing.

But I agree, it is water under the bridge and everyone should just move on. If they're really that pissed, vote in the next election and try to get Bush out of there,

[qmpz]

The election issue is/was not just poor ballot design...

http://www.uaw.org/solidarity/01/0501/front02.html
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/trans.htm

And I for one do not think the fact that the loss of the right to vote should be something we just "get over", and I'm sure anyone who had that right denied would feel the same way. But, having said that, there certainly are more pressing issues than an election that nobody is in any position to 'remedy'.

[andy m]

moore was fantastic. it's good to see him get up people's noses, he is obviously hitting too close to home for a lot of people and is making them squirm. i am glad he took a huge opportunity to say what a lot of people believe but are scared to say because they have been beaten down under the relentless tide of pro-war bullshit.

moore owns you.

[stkelly52]

Originally posted by mrskippy
I hope Moore and ALL anti-war protestors get killed in the next terrorist attack.

This comment is stupid and sickening. To wish death on others because they don't agree with your opinions is flat out barbaric. While I disagree with protester and igornant fools like Moore, your remarks are far worse than theirs.

[mrskippy]

Terrorists, including Saddam, don't know what diplomacy is. And if you think that diplomacy will work ... well ... I wouldn't want to find out what happens when it fails.

[TroyF]

Andy M,

Moore is making who squirm? The only people he's making squirm are people unfamiliar with his agenda. Period. I have a close friend who is adamently against the war in Iraq. He's always been one of the most open minded people I know. When we discuss the war, he can occasionaly make me squirm a bit (and vice verse). Michael Moore? Liars don't make me squirm. Neither do people with an axe to grind. He has an agenda, he has the stage in which to get that agenda out. Good for him.

As for all the pro war BS, he has very little of that to deal with in Hollywood. The rest of the nation (anywhere from 70-75% depending on the polls you read) believe this war needs to be fought.

Moore doesn't own anyone. I can run off a list of anti war activists whose speeches I'd watch for the intellectual value, if for no other reason. Moore's value is only in looking at how the closed minded feel. Nothing more, nothing less.

TroyF

[mrskippy]

Originally posted by stkelly52
This comment is stupid and sickening. To wish death on others because they don't agree with your opinions is flat out barbaric. While I disagree with protester and igornant fools like Moore, your remarks are far worse than theirs.

I've deleted my insensitive comments. I don't really mean that. Do I dislike people like Michael Moore and anti-war protestors? Yeah. Do I think they should shut-up? Yeah. Do I think they need to support our country, our troops, and our leaders? Yeah.

I just believe that these anti-war protestors are seriously misguided.

[Tarkus]

Originally posted by mrskippy
I'm a Republican, but I have no complaints about Bill Clinton's sexual encounters. He was a great leader for eight years. Why so many people made an issue with his sex life is beyond me?
Probably because they've never been blown in the oval room of the White House. :D

Tarkus

[Havok]

I hate that son of a bitch

[Iceberg]

Don't know if anyone actually saw bowling for columbine but it sucked. It was poorly thrown together and failed to make a point except that America is a horrible, violent nation. I have no idea about any of the other documentaries it was up against but i have to believe that moore won only because the rest of hollywood loves his politics.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally posted by andy m
i am glad he took a huge opportunity to say what a lot of people believe but are scared to say because they have been beaten down under the relentless tide of pro-war bullshit. Yes, yes. Everyone secretly agrees with you, you're just the only one brave enough to say it. Thanks for letting us know.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I believe Moore is an idiotic ass, same as I did before the show last night.

[User #2735]

Quoted from another board:
Anyone who thinks that Bowling for Columbine:

a) deserved to win for "documentary."

b) was an breathtakingly "honest" film.

c) shows what America is "really like!"

d) Has any amount of truth in its story.

should read this:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html and then try and argue that.

Michael Moore is a fat bloated retard who damages the cause of good, honest liberals around the globe every time he opens his mouth to spew more bullshit. His Goebbels level propaganda should be condemned by every free-thinking person rather than rewarded. He brings shame back into political discourse.I agree 100%

[KWhit]

He was out of line. Period. It was painful to watch. But to those who claim that all Hollywood leans left, listen to him get booed off the stage. They really gave him hell.

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by KWhit
He was out of line. Period. It was painful to watch. But to those who claim that all Hollywood leans left, listen to him get booed off the stage. They really gave him hell.

From my understanding, it wasn't the Hollywood folks who booed, but the people seated up in the balconies, ie the 'little people' who got tickets to the event. I may be wrong, however.

[Karim]

Originally posted by TroyF
Somewhere along the way, he stopped being critical of everyone and decided Republicans were the only ones who ever made mistakes.
Unfortunately, this seems to be typical of Hollywood in general, not just Moore. For example, "The Candidate" and "The Contender" make Republicans out to be old, slobbering, backward, and ignorant. Yet, the movies are trumpetted in reviews as either unbiased or demonstrating the "courage" of Hollywood in taking a stand.

[Fritz]

There was a very agressive effort by republican aligned groups aimed at stealing the liberal/left platform of the awards cerimony.

[Tekneek]

Right. People wouldn't boo unless it was some attempt by Republicans to grab control of the awards ceremony. You know, it gets old after a while when you are expected to believe that every single thing that happens in this country is driven by some conspiracy from either "the Democrats" or "the Republicans."

I read some of those ballots in Florida, at least the ones that were released to the media as examples of what was going on. All of the ones I saw were ruined ballots. People did things that I learned in school that you were not supposed to do. People did things that even the ballot itself told them not to do. So, I find it hard to believe that those idiots disregarded all of this because of some other sinister advice being given out by some Bush operative standing next to them attempting to cook the entire election. "Loss of the right to vote." Hah. If you get your discarded because you do it wrong and submit it, rather than asking for it to be trashed and get a new one, you willingly chose to give up that chance to vote. Kind of hard to feel bad for people who obviously didn't want their votes to count anyway.

[JPhillips]

Tekneek: While I don't think the ballots were a conspiracy, I am pissed that the US can't find an easy, accurate method of counting votes. When I read that Florida routinely throws away up to two percent of votes cast due to problems I was livid. Why the hell do we still have a voting system with 2% error?

Given the error rate, there was no possible way of finding the real winner of the election. Eventually it had to come down to the Supreme Court or a House vote. The real crime here was the ridiculous state of voting in the US and the blind eye that Congress has given it.

[Butter]

I am a Democrat, but Gore lost the election because he couldn't even get Tennessee, West Virginia or New Hampshire to fall for him. All 3 should have been EASY wins. The Floridians who were confused by the ballot are all idiots anyway, and I feel no remorse for what happened. Those who called for a re-vote in that situation were extremely short-sighted.

As for Michael Moore, I loved Roger & Me and TV Nation, but can barely stand to look at the guy now... he just grates, and his campaigns of mis-information are ridiculous attempts at self-promotion, mostly. Just like Rush Limbaugh's. :)

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Tekneek
Right. People wouldn't boo unless it was some attempt by Republicans to grab control of the awards ceremony. You know, it gets old after a while when you are expected to believe that every single thing that happens in this country is driven by some conspiracy from either "the Democrats" or "the Republicans."



There was a "conspiracy" by a republican aligned organization (not the Republican Party.) Ken Hamblin had an organizer on his radio show several days before the event.

[Tekneek]

And the other organizations that normally "run" the awards ceremony are a "conspiracy" from Democrats. Blah blah blah. Heard it all before. People do things because they want to, not because they are running covert ops for some faction of a political party.

[GrantDawg]

He is a creator of Left-wing propaganda. Of course he would win the Oscar.

[Marmel]

Wait until NoMyths gets here. All of you M. Moore bashers are going to get an earful from him. :)

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Marmel
Wait until NoMyths gets here. All of you M. Moore bashers are going to get an earful from him.

Been waiting....

[Fritz]

dola,

I info I heard was on Hannity, not Hamblin. The organization that put the billboard up at the oscars was grassfire (http://www.grassfire.net), a group that calls themselves "conservative activists."

[Killebrew]

Originally posted by User #2735
"Fat bloated retard"
Originally posted by SkyDog
Is he the fat guy my wife was laughing at and called me into the room to see get booed???
Originally posted by mrskippy
I hope Moore and ALL anti-war protestors get killed in the next terrorist attack.

I think he was speaking from his heart and as the above examples show when we speak from the heart we tend to say some pretty ugly things. It certainly could have been done more tactfully (there were other similar references to the war) but it was still a gutsy thing to do, since it will likely limit his career and end any hope of future awards. It was also predictable that in the early rah-rah days of this war he was not going to get applause for such controversial comments even in the usually more liberal Hollywood, but many of the things he said were undeniably true, just stuff that is unpopular to voice too loudly. I much preferred the wiser President of the Academy's call for peace.

[User #2735]

Originally posted by Killebrew
it was still a gutsy thing to do, since it will likely limit his career and end any hope of future awards. How in the world was it gutsy? It's not like his fans are shocked by what he did...it was expected. They're eating it up. He didn't damage his relationship with his target audience in any way, shape or form. "A gutsy thing to do" isn't the right phrase...more like "attention whoring" or "self-promotion".

[Killebrew]

Originally posted by User #2735
How in the world was it gutsy? It's not like his fans are shocked by what he did...it was expected. They're eating it up. He didn't damage his relationship with his target audience in any way, shape or form. "A gutsy thing to do" isn't the right phrase...more like "attention whoring" or "self-promotion".
It was gutsy because this decision will likely cost him a ton of money as well as future award consideration as I mentioned in my post. It was gutsy because although many other Hollywood performers that were on stage last night have expressed similar views in the past when it was popular, they were too scared of jeopardizing their career (see "Dixie Chicks & free speech" for more on that) to say anything last night. One pretty obvious example of this restraint was Barbara Streisand.

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by Killebrew
It was gutsy because this decision will likely cost him a ton of money as well as future award consideration as I mentioned in my post. It was gutsy because although many other Hollywood performers that were on stage last night have expressed similar views in the past when it was popular, they were too scared of jeopardizing their career (see "Dixie Chicks & free speech" for more on that) to say anything last night. One pretty obvious example of this restraint was Barbara Streisand.

I would venture to guess that Michael Moore's target audience is somewhat different than the Dixie Chicks. The people who love Moore are likely to agree with him and love him even more because of his rebel yell. The people who vote on these awards also will not be deterred at all from this incident, as probably many of them agreed with him as well. I was slightly (actually, more than slightly) surprised that Babs was as silent as she was.

Plus you can't trust anything from a person who posts under two different ID's. ;)

[ISiddiqui]

many of the things he said were undeniably true, just stuff that is unpopular to voice too loudly.

So if I say it is right to eat babies and get booed down, I'm saying something that is UNDENIABLY true, just stuff that is unpopular to voice too loudly? Please.

Just because you get booed doesn't mean you were saying the 'truth'.

[Killebrew]

Originally posted by Hammer755
I would venture to guess that Michael Moore's target audience is somewhat different than the Dixie Chicks. The people who love Moore are likely to agree with him and love him even more because of his rebel yell. The people who vote on these awards also will not be deterred at all from this incident, as probably many of them agreed with him as well. I was slightly (actually, more than slightly) surprised that Babs was as silent as she was.

Granted, Moore fans would have expected his message, the Dixie Chicks reference was more about it being gutsy to express something that is against the grain during times such as these when anything spoken against the President is considered by some to be unpatriotic. That comparison applies regardless of whatever the target audience of the comment is. Maybe I should have stressed the angle that many other Hollywood celebs were gutless for not expressing protest at the show when they express protest offstage.

[ISiddiqui]

Maybe I should have stressed the angle that many other Hollywood celebs were gutless for not expressing protest at the show when they express protest offstage.

Perhaps that was because they respected the idea that the Oscars were about entertainment and not politics? Maybe they were MORE gutsy for holding it in when they really wanted to say it in front of a huge audience?

[Killebrew]

Dola -
Originally posted by ISiddiqui
So if I say it is right to eat babies and get booed down, I'm saying something that is UNDENIABLY true, just stuff that is unpopular to voice too loudly? Please.

Just because you get booed doesn't mean you were saying the 'truth'.
Did you hear what he said and read what I wrote? Some of the stuff he said was certainly debatable but some was undeniably true, for example, the fact the Pope wanted to avoid the war. The only reason that stuff is controversial in any way is the same reason it was gutsy IMO to say it - anything that is against the war or the President is considered by some to be unpatriotic.

[Killebrew]

Dola 2:
Originally posted by ISiddiqui
Perhaps that was because they respected the idea that the Oscars were about entertainment and not politics? Maybe they were MORE gutsy for holding it in when they really wanted to say it in front of a huge audience?
Perhaps you are correct there, although it was also self serving of those artists to "hold it in". Don't get me wrong though, I don't think it was appropriate and as I said it could have been done more tactfully.

[tucker342]

Michael Moore is awesome. I have complete respect for him, and I'm really glad he won.

[tucker342]

dola

I don't know if it was good for him to bring up politics at the oscars, even though I agree with him, he should have left it alone last night.

[MJ4H]

I can honestly say Im surprised anyone respects Michael Moore.

[ISiddiqui]

Some of the stuff he said was certainly debatable but some was undeniably true, for example, the fact the Pope wanted to avoid the war.

You said:

many of the things he said were undeniably true

--

'Some' and 'many' mean vastly different things. I don't think the Pope and the Dixie Chicks being against him are 'many' of the things that he said. They are 'some' though, I'll grant you that.

[astralhaze]

Michael Moore is a fat pot smoking dirty hippy communist bastard who should be hung in the public stocks and then castrated...

sorry, just trying to fit in.

[CamEdwards]

Originally posted by astralhaze
Michael Moore is a fat pot smoking dirty hippy communist bastard who should be hung in the public stocks and then castrated...

sorry, just trying to fit in.

Poser :)

[Tarkus]

Originally posted by astralhaze
Michael Moore is a fat pot smoking dirty hippy communist bastard who should be hung in the public stocks and then castrated...

sorry, just trying to fit in.
Another convert! ;)

Tarkus

[dread]

I commend Moore for saying what he felt instead of worrying about how it would be viewed by people that dont want any dissent in opinion. Moore has never been about being politically correct. Why is someone an idiot or a bad american because they do not agree with the war? For all that say he is such an idiot why don't you read one of his books and tell me that you cannot agree with at least some of what he writes. It cannot be as clear cut that Bush is a great american because he declares war on a country and is not to be scrutinized and Michael Moore is a self serving commy that should just shut up and support Bush in no matter what he does. I find nothing wrong with what he said, our presidential election process is very flawed, the electoral college should have been done away with long ago, the man with the most votes should be President. Its stupid if you get one more vote in California than your opponent than you get the states entire electoral votes. His contention is that Gore had more votes and won and in actuality Gore won Florida ,but many people conspired to make sure that all votes were not recounted. We were never given an explanation why the votes that were ordered recounted in certain counties were never fully recounted. I agree with his point , but its moot because everyone just accepted it and found panic in trying to get the process right they just wanted it done. since this time I found nothing about abolishing the idiotic electoral college, so we as Americans could really give a damn about it I guess. He does feel that our reason for attacking Iraq is not about Liberation that it may be an end result, but is not the impetus for this war. We are at war I thought because Iraq violated its agreements made after the Persion Gulf War. This war probably has alot to do with having a tangible battle against terrorism, being that the war on Terrorism is not always apparent to the public eye. Why do the people of Iraq deserve to be liberated any more than the people of Cuba who have lived under Castros regime since 1959. Saudi Arabia one of our allies has treated its people no worse than Iraq. Liberia and Libya definately have been as oppressive if not more.
The war with Iraq has nothing to do with liberating the Iraqi people, its about getting rid of a very bad guy who has not abided by his agreement after the war and more than once has spoken out about the US. I have no problem with this line of reasoning although I think war should only come after all avenues are exhausted. The war has also been justified because they feel that Iraq would someday strike the US with a terrorist attack. Well many of the countries that we have aligned with have in many ways supported terrorist acts to a greater degree than has been proven of Iraq. i know I have went on but, my point if any he has a right to say what he wants because he is an American and its hypocritical to act like he should not say these things because this is the very foundation of our existance. I don't care if I get branded an idiot or unamerican for my views because I served my country and believe very much in the ideals that our nation is founded upon. Its a shame our political leaders are not the public servants they should be and that we allow lobbyists to exercise more control over our government than we the people.

[MJ4H]

I dont respect Michael Moore because he distorts truth or outright lies to further his political agenda. This is unacceptable to me. Being uninformed is one thing. LYING to get people to think like you do when lives are at stake is outrageous. Michael Moore's distortions and lies disgust me and I have no respect for him. Now you know.

[CamEdwards]

Amen, MJ4H.

[AgPete]

Boy, couldn't you see that one coming? We have all these liberal actors and actresses protesting the war and the Academy Awards producers are warning everyone that the music will start after 45 seconds no matter what they're talking about. That guy doesn't give a shit who he pisses off, I saw that coming from a mile away.

One thing I wonder about is if the other nominees he invited to the stage knew he was going to do that.

[AgPete]

Originally posted by Killebrew
Maybe I should have stressed the angle that many other Hollywood celebs were gutless for not expressing protest at the show when they express protest offstage.

I wonder if the Academy purposely made Susan Sarandon the speaker for 2002 Hollywood deaths. :D It would have looked bad if she had turned the moment of silence and remembrance into a political message.

[rexalllsc]

"What [the critics] don’t get is that I have the will of the people. The No. 1 bestselling book in this country for over 52 weeks is Stupid White People," Moore claimed, referring to his published rant against corporate America. "That’s not because they disagree with me, is it?"

Actually, his book has been on the New York Times bestseller list for 49 weeks. And it is currently No. 2.
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What an idiot. This was on MSNBC earlier.

[ACStrider]

Originally posted by rexalllsc
"What [the critics] don’t get is that I have the will of the people. The No. 1 bestselling book in this country for over 52 weeks is Stupid White People," Moore claimed, referring to his published rant against corporate America. "That’s not because they disagree with me, is it?"

Actually, his book has been on the New York Times bestseller list for 49 weeks. And it is currently No. 2.
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What an idiot. This was on MSNBC earlier.

Does his book fall under the fiction or non-fiction list? :rolleyes:

[rexalllsc]

Originally posted by ACStrider
Does his book fall under the fiction or non-fiction list? :rolleyes:

No idea. I wonder why his movie was even up for Documentary, when he admits it was a comedy.

Please leave the documentaries to the Burns brothers, Michael.

[Maple Leafs]

Anyone see the Daily Show's take on this?

(clip of Moore being announced as the winner, standing ovation from crowd)
Jon Stewart: Hooray for the political activist! We applaud your political activism!
(clip of Moore's speech, being drowned out by boos)
Stewart: Hey! What's with all the political activism?