NFL Week 11

[stevew]

I like the overtime rules, although I could be pursuaded if the rule was changed to the first team that scores a TD, rather than the lame ass walkoff FG's.

[QuikSand]

the NFL overtime rules are just idiotic. Both teams ought to be guaranteed at least one possession, otherwise it's essentially a coin-toss.

I guess we're supposed to write this off as "heat of the moment" as you are, I'm sure, aware how thoroughly unsupported that claim is.

[Northwood_DK]

:popcorn:

Patriots - Jets tonight for the lead in the AFC East.

Will be Live on Danish TV so I guess I will stay up for this.

[Honolulu_Blue]

:popcorn:

Patriots - Jets tonight for the lead in the AFC East.

Will be Live on Danish TV so I guess I will stay up for this.

That's awsome that the people who have access to Danish TV will be able to watch this game, but I wont.

[Northwood_DK]

We got five games live this week. Only problem is that the first game starts at 7 and the MNF (and tonights game) is real night games both starts 3 in the night.

[molson]

I haven't figured out these Thursday night games yet. What exactly is the "exclusive in-game action" on NFL.com?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I haven't figured out these Thursday night games yet. What exactly is the "exclusive in-game action" on NFL.com?

Not sure, but I do know it involves Joe Namath and a sideline reporter.

[MikeVic]

Not sure, but I do know it involves Joe Namath and a sideline reporter.

With special appearances by Mike Singletary.

[JetsIn06]

I haven't figured out these Thursday night games yet. What exactly is the "exclusive in-game action" on NFL.com?

It's absolute fucking bullshit. They show one drive, then they go to an interview, some studio talk, and then another interview and miss the Patriots drive. Right now, the game is on, and they are just talking in the studio. Its just a big Sprint commercial and it's driving me crazy.

[DaddyTorgo]

It's absolute fucking bullshit. They show one drive, then they go to an interview, some studio talk, and then another interview and miss the Patriots drive. Right now, the game is on, and they are just talking in the studio. Its just a big Sprint commercial and it's driving me crazy.

:confused:

really? cuz they've shown it all here in Boston...

[DaddyTorgo]

oh you're fucking kidding me...is Mayo injured now??

seriously?? who the fuck do the Pats have left? They're going to break their own record for most games missed by starters in a season with ease!

[JetsIn06]

:confused:

really? cuz they've shown it all here in Boston...

Haha yea. You are watching on nfl.com? They skipped the whole first half of the Pats first drive and then a bunch of the Jets drive.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh no - i'm watching on NFL network. my bad

[JetsIn06]

oh no - i'm watching on NFL network. my bad

Yea...i found a link to watch the game online, streaming NFL Network, thank god. The nfl.com thing really pisses me off. I guess they call it a "companion live broadcast". Whatever.

[DaddyTorgo]

heh. way to finish Cassel. Oh wait...NOT.

[DaddyTorgo]

well that's the ballgame.

gg jets.

this Pats team has just taken wayyyyyy too many injuries to be able to compete at a high level.

[JetsIn06]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[JetsIn06]

If that holds up, that is an incredible catch....holy shit.

[Lathum]

My wife is at the game in the Gillette luxery box right now, she is looking at Bob Kraft in the next box over.

[DaddyTorgo]

My wife is at the game in the Gillette luxery box right now, she is looking at Bob Kraft in the next box over.

haha that's awesome!

[SirFozzie]

Hands up, who thought this game was over?

(mine's up)

[QuikSand]

the NFL overtime rules are just idiotic. Both teams ought to be guaranteed at least one possession, otherwise it's essentially a coin-toss.

I guess we're supposed to write this off as "heat of the moment" as you are, I'm sure, aware how thoroughly unsupported that claim is.



cool... I'm getting a one hour time stamp bug. Seems like old times!

[JetsIn06]

someone please kill me. same old jets.

[stevew]

wtf just happened to the FOFC.....

[stevew]

Message Board ftl

[stevew]

FOFC is broken

[Jas_lov]

well that's the ballgame.

gg jets.

this Pats team has just taken wayyyyyy too many injuries to be able to compete at a high level.

This could be your "Ryan Grant has lost the game" moment. I really wish I could watch this game. They shouldn't put good games on the NFL Network because nobody gets that channel.

[molson]

I'd love to see first to 6 points. If you give a TD drive on the first possession of OT, you really deserve to lose. Otherwise, you need 2 FGs to win.

The thing about each team getting a possession is that I think it gives a huge a advantage to the team with the ball second, maybe even a bigger advantage than the team who gets the ball first in the current setup. (And in the current setup, isn't it like 50/50 after the coin toss - how much better can you get than that?)

[molson]

I'd love to see first to 6 points. If you give a TD drive on the first possession of OT, you really deserve to lose. Otherwise, you need 2 FGs to win.

The thing about each team getting a possession is that I think it gives a huge a advantage to the team with the ball second, maybe even a bigger advantage than the team who gets the ball first in the current setup. (And in the current setup, isn't it like 50/50 after the coin toss - how much better can you get than that?)

[DaddyTorgo]

and i've consistently said that - i'm not just saying it cuz it worked to the pats disadvantage this time

[st.cronin]

This thread has become incomprehensible.

[stevew]

LOVE the critical penalties finally are called vs the Pats.

[JetsIn06]

What a game.

[SirFozzie]

even when they have to make them up?

[stevew]

Didn't see it. Denny green on Xm . Makes up for all the holdinng their linemen never get called for.

You guys have had an awesome run. Sucks to be mortal for a minute

Cassel sounds like a gamer.

[Lathum]

I hate my wife right now

[QuikSand]

wow

[SirFozzie]

HOLY SHIT

[molson]

I'd love a description of that awesomeness....

[SirFozzie]

and before everyone claims push off, Moss was pretty much wearing a ty law uniform there

[JetsIn06]

absolutely unreal.

[SirFozzie]

Cassell scrambles, throws, Law and Moss were all tangled up, and Moss falling out of bounds makes the catch and drags the feet.

[JetsIn06]

anyone think the pats go for 2

[Radii]

I'd love a description of that awesomeness....

jets get a good pass rush, cassel evades a DE,scrambles and hits Moss for a beautiful catch while falling out of bounds in the end zone.

[stevew]

Go for 2!

[DeToxRox]

the Jets coaching staff is a comedy of mistakes.

[DeToxRox]

Dola .. I've never been sold on Mangini. Way too conservative, offensively and defensivley. That whole prevent with no jam was icing on the cake.

[molson]

Cassell scrambles, throws, Law and Moss were all tangled up, and Moss falling out of bounds makes the catch and drags the feet.

Thanks

I hate the NFL Network..........

[JetsIn06]

fire mangini. i'm so sick of this fucking team SUCKING in the 2nd half for the past 3 seasons.

[Radii]

That whole prevent with no jam was icing on the cake.


Collinsworth calling it presnap on the last play when they didn't try to jam Moss made it all the better.

[JetsIn06]

Dola .. I've never been sold on Mangini. Way too conservative, offensively and defensivley. That whole prevent with no jam was icing on the cake.

+ one trillion

[st.cronin]

Matt Cassel's credit score improving by the week.

[JT2008]

Now that's a happy ending!

[SirFozzie]

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/11/13/moss329__1226632093_4404-1.jpg

An image of the Moss catch for those who didn't see it. (that foot that's up in the air was down on the ground when he made the catch)

[stevew]

Hopefully favre throws a walkoff pick here

[SirFozzie]

Too many injuries on D right now for the Pats, I think :/

[Lathum]

why not kick it on third down?

[JetsIn06]

:eek:

[DaddyTorgo]

the NFL overtime rules are just idiotic. Both teams ought to be guaranteed at least one possession, otherwise it's essentially a coin-toss.

[JetsIn06]

the NFL overtime rules are just idiotic. Both teams ought to be guaranteed at least one possession, otherwise it's essentially a coin-toss.

Agreed.

[SirFozzie]

One posession each, if still tied, go to sudden death

[gstelmack]

Pats' defense is letting them down this year, and to a certain extent special teams. The offense is actually playing pretty well without Brady and any running backs...

[Neuqua]

It's Bears-Packers week!

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[Thomkal]

Thigpen to Bowe for the Chiefs first score of the afternoon

[MrDNA]

I'm enjoying watching the Giants run D, or you know, anyone who smacks around the Ravens.

[Thomkal]

Panthers looking bad against another awful team, down 10-0 to the Lions

[JonInMiddleGA]

Panthers looking bad against another awful team, down 10-0 to the Lions

Dear Panthers,
Please play like this for another three quarters. Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Bucs & Falcons

[Thomkal]

heh John didn't work, Panthers march down the field for a TD

[Alan T]

I want Carolina to lose.. but I really want them to stop letting Detroit score too... Can we have a shutout the rest of the way for both teams?

In other news, the Giants have looked very impressive on offense. That offensive line has been outstanding. Their defense has been ok, but their special teams so far this game has been a disaster. Either way though, they're really handing it to one of the other better teams in the league so far.

[Buccaneer]

That was another nice throw by Ryan (on the previous drive). Had to lead the receiver by about 10 years while under pressure.

[DaddyTorgo]

bah...i want to get Matt Ryan games in Boston. This fucking blows!

[Arles]

Great start for GB. The OL has traded penalties and sacks for solid run blocking. I'll take that deal ;)

[Jas_lov]

You would think that the Bears were the team without their starting middle linebacker from watching this game. The Packers are pounding it down their throats! Ryan Grant already over 100 yards in this must win game.

[Arles]

I always thought Hawk would be a better MLB and Barnett an OLB. Hawk has the size and instincts to handle that spot. Chillar's also a solid 4th LB and should be OK on the outside. Losing Barnett is tough, but that's the one area we have some depth.

Nice to see our OL healthy and starting to play well too.

[EagleFan]

Is it time to see Kolb?

[Thomkal]

Dear Panthers,
Please play like this for another three quarters. Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Bucs & Falcons

The Panthers clearly did not like your post. :D

[EagleFan]

Is it time for Kolb yet? McNabb has looked horrible. He should have just been picked off for the 4th time. All this against the freaking Bengals, they're not even an NFL team.

[Jas_lov]

Aaron Rodgers said it best before the game, the Chicago Bears don't belong on the same field as the Green Bay Packers. What a pathetic performance by the Bears who had a chance to bury the Packers and nail the coffin shut.

Tampa currently has a 6 point lead on Minnesota. Hopefully they don't blow it and lose by 1 like the Packers did last week.

Even more pathetic performances by the Eagles, Panthers, and Dolphins against the 3 worst teams in the NFL. Looks like they might all escape with wins though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Falcons bubble may have popped, as they lose to Denver 24-20 while both Tampa & Carolina are on the verge of winning.

[GrantDawg]

Falcons bubble may have popped, as they lose to Denver 24-20 while both Tampa & Carolina are on the verge of winning.


Eh. They'd be an early out in the playoffs anyway. Not that I wouldn't love to see them go, mind, but it was never extremely likely. I was guessing earlier that they'd win one on the road, lose one at home, and end up 8-8. I'll be happy with that, very happy at 9-7, and ok with 7-9. Considering they were supposed to be 1-15, and I felt like I was reaching when I predict 6-10, I think the average Falcon fan is happy as long as they don't lose out from here.

[Buccaneer]

Falcons bubble may have popped, as they lose to Denver 24-20 while both Tampa & Carolina are on the verge of winning.

Still exceeding expectations, I believe.

[DeToxRox]

Few. I thought the Lions might actually pull that out.

6 more games until history!

[GrantDawg]

BTW, great game, Broncs. I'll be rooting for you to take it to the Championship.

[Jas_lov]

Packers win, Bears lose, Vikings lose. All 3 teams now tied atop the NFC North. The favorites are the Packers who have overcome key injury after key injury on the defense. The Bears looked terrible today. Their defense is not any good and Kyle Orton's health is in doubt.

The Vikings have been playing better but they will lose Jared Allen for a game because of his cheap hit in Aaron Rodgers. They will lose Kevin and Pat Williams for 4 games because they cheated. It should be an interesting finish with the Packers ultimately coming out on top. This is why I didn't declare them dead last week like some other Packer fans did.

[terpkristin]

Looks absolutely disgusting in Pittsburgh. Looks worse there than it did yesterday at the Terps game, at least when it was pouring, it was warmer.

/tk

[MikeVic]

Beautiful int by Polamalu.

[MikeVic]

Looks absolutely disgusting in Pittsburgh. Looks worse there than it did yesterday at the Terps game, at least when it was pouring, it was warmer.

/tk

I like these kinds of weather games. :D

[Radii]

No idea what to make of Carolina's last two games. Right now though, they're 8-2 and that is all that matters. The Giants are really the only team in the conference that look like a good team even more than half the time, and right now Carolina has the inside track on a bye. No more easy games though, at Atlanta, at Green Bay, vs Tampa, vs Denver, at Giants, at Saints to close it out.

[RedKingGold]

Philly-Cincy = one big girly slap-fight.

[MikeVic]

bullshit.

[Eaglesfan27]

I haven't been this disheartened with the Eagles in a long time. Whether or not they win this, it has been a horrible performance.

[st.cronin]

Why does Andy Reid hate the running game?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Looks absolutely disgusting in Pittsburgh.
I live about an hour away from Pittsburgh, and the weather is about the same here. I stepped outside just to get an idea of what it must feel like in that stadium. Then I immediately stepped back inside. Brrrrr. :)

[EagleFan]

The Eagles deserve to lose this game. With that said, that was another BS roughing the passer call. Are they just going to make this two hand touch when the QB is involved?

[st.cronin]

A bore draw.

[Dr. Sak]

HAHA Cincy missed the FG

[ISiddiqui]

Still exceeding expectations, I believe.

Yep... still thinking the Falcons had an outside chance at the playoffs this late in the season has been quite a surprise. I'd be ecstatic if they finished 8-8 for the season in Ryan, Turner, Smith, Dmitroff, Baker's first seasons with the team.

[terpkristin]

Holy moly, did I just see an NFL game end in a tie? I'm not sure I've ever seen that.

/tk

[JonInMiddleGA]

Still exceeding expectations, I believe.

By an unbelievably wide margin actually. I was just making the observation.

[sabotai]

Holy moly, did I just see an NFL game end in a tie? I'm not sure I've ever seen that.

/tk

When it got down to 3-4 minutes left, I was hoping for the tie since I had never actually seen a football game end in a tie.

[Lathum]

Again the Giants looked great. Minus a few special teams blunders their running game was awesome against an amazing run defense. They could have hung 45 on them if they wanted to, it just looked so easy for them.

[Lathum]

dola- People may laugh at me, but Brandon Jacobs should start getting some serious MVP consideration.

10 games in, 11 TD, an 900 rushing yards, all the while sharing the load for a 9-1 team.

[larrymcg421]

Sure it was against the Raiders, but it's still a victory. Dolphins are 6-4. They've won four in a row. The Hurricanes have won five in a row.

It's nice to be able to really enjoy football again.

[Buccaneer]

When it got down to 3-4 minutes left, I was hoping for the tie since I had never actually seen a football game end in a tie.

My son tells me that the last tie was in 2002. That wasn't that long ago. Not like the 60s where half the games ended up in ties.

[terpkristin]

My son tells me that the last tie was in 2002. That wasn't that long ago. Not like the 60s where half the games ended up in ties.

Yeah ESPN said it was the first tie in 6 years. I guess the real thing we've found out here is that I don't watch EVERY football game all the time, I definitely didn't see it 6 years ago, nor any time I may have been watching with my grandfather. :)

/tk

[k0ruptr]

niners with 35 points in the first half.

more then they have scored in a whole game so far this season.

[Alan T]

I actually was a bit suprised when I saw so many people having never seen a tie before. For some reason in my head I thought I remembered seeing at least 2 of them in my life (Atlanta vs Pittsburgh and then I thought I remembered a Kansas City tie in the 1990s. I guess I didn't realize they wern't that common and I had actually seen the last tie game before this one.

[Northwood_DK]

Shaun Hill got a perfect passer rating after the first half :crazy:

[Dr. Sak]

What a terrible throw by Rivers.

[Autumn]

I'm lazy and without reception. Who tied?

[sabotai]

My son tells me that the last tie was in 2002. That wasn't that long ago. Not like the 60s where half the games ended up in ties.

Yes, but I didn't actually watch that game, nor any other game that ended in a tie until this one.

[DeToxRox]

Bungles and Iggles tied.

[Autumn]

Well, that's about right then.

[SFL Cat]

When it got down to 3-4 minutes left, I was hoping for the tie since I had never actually seen a football game end in a tie.


Man, I remember watching college and pro games in the late 60s and early 70s BO (Before overtime) and ties were pretty common. Wouldn't be unusual for four or six teams to have at least one tie and some seasons you'd see teams finish with two or more ties.

Drove people crazy too. A lot of times teams would play for the tie rather than try to win.

[GrantDawg]

The last one I watched was the Falcons-Steelers tie. Fantastic game.

[Buccaneer]

Kurt is 27 for 35, 350 yds. It is like it's 1999 (and 2001) all over again. Sweet.

[ISiddiqui]

Kurt is 27 for 35, 350 yds. It is like it's 1999 (and 2001) all over again. Sweet.

And he could end it all with another MVP.

[DeToxRox]

And he could end it all with another MVP.

Apparently you havent been watching the venerable Aaron Rodgers.

[Galaril]

Regardless if they win or loss the formula for beating the Titans of "get a big lead and they can't play catch up" has now been proven wrong with the Titans coming back from a halftime deficit of 14-3 to take a 17-14 . Collins has been throwing for a few long pass 47 and 57 yards today.

[DeToxRox]

Regardless if they win or loss the formula for beating the Titans of "get a big lead and they can't play catch up" has now been proven wrong with the Titans coming back from a halftime deficit of 14-3 to take a 17-14 . Collins has been throwing for a few long pass 47 and 57 yards today.

Thanksgiving Day it ends. The undefeated Titans vs the winless Lions. Lions will win, Ford will sign Mayhew to an extension, and I'll become a New Orleans VooDoo fan.

[Galaril]

Thanksgiving Day it ends. The undefeated Titans vs the winless Lions. Lions will win, Ford will sign Mayhew to an extension, and I'll become a New Orleans VooDoo fan.

:)

[MrDNA]

Holy moly, did I just see an NFL game end in a tie? I'm not sure I've ever seen that.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't an NFL game.

[Swaggs]

Good lord.

Nate Washington may be one of the most physically impressive, as far as size and speed), receivers in the NFL, but he must have the worst hands of any skill player in the league. It's amazing how many times he has been able to get himself wide open this season and not come up with catches.

[Matthean]

Few. I thought the Lions might actually pull that out.

6 more games until history!

Look on the bright side, Culpepper has about 1 TD for every 2 turnovers so he's already in mid season form.

[DeToxRox]

Look on the bright side, Culpepper has about 1 TD for every 2 turnovers so he's already in mid season form.

In his defense, that last INT was right in the numbers, and had a tight spiral.

[gstelmack]

In his defense, that last INT was right in the numbers, and had a tight spiral.

:D

[Buccaneer]

The Cardinals shouldn't just be squeeking by these inferior teams, esp. if they want to win a playoff game.

[DeToxRox]

After watching GMen and Carolina today, I think this would be a fantastic game come NFC Title Game time I love how they both run the ball, and play physical D. Carolina looked flat today but found a way to win, which is what good teams do.

The only thing standing in Carolinas way is Delhomme was awful the last two weeks. If he even gets back to a game management role, and lets Smith makes plays after the catch the Panthers will do damage.

[Buccaneer]

It's also amazing to see a QB go 31 for 41 and 300 yds, plys 100+ yds in the running game and yet only have 8 points on the board.

[Alan T]

After watching GMen and Carolina today, I think this would be a fantastic game come NFC Title Game time I love how they both run the ball, and play physical D. Carolina looked flat today but found a way to win, which is what good teams do.

The only thing standing in Carolinas way is Delhomme was awful the last two weeks. If he even gets back to a game management role, and lets Smith makes plays after the catch the Panthers will do damage.

I am having a difficult time finding any NFC matchup that I think would be a good one. I am definitely not on the Carolina bandwagon, I am not sure they will even hold on to win their division, and if they do I don't see them going far in the playoffs.

No one in the west really does alot for me. Arizona I think would have problems stopping the Giants and their high scoring offense would have less time on the field. In the Central, I think the Bears might be the best matchup against the Giants, but I have no idea if the Bears will even make the playoffs.

I think right now it seems clear to me, the most dangerous opponent for the Giants is themselves. I know there are some super huge Eli fans on this board, but he still seems to be doing well to me because of that tremendous o-line. He still makes a few plays each game that I have seen that make you scratch your head. I think if the Giants just make dumb mistakes, they will lose.. otherwise it just seems they have the best team in the NFC right now.

[DeToxRox]

Crazy that if Pitt wins with a FG here, it'll be the first time in NFL history a game ends 11-8

[EagleFan]

Crazy that if Pitt wins with a FG here, it'll be the first time in NFL history a game ends 11-8

Um, it can only end 11-8 if they let the Chargers kick an extra point without getting a touchdown.

[DeToxRox]

Um, it can only end 11-8 if they let the Chargers kick an extra point without getting a touchdown.

Meant 11-10.

[Alan T]

Meant 11-10.


Well, not going to be 11-10 now either

[Greyroofoo]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/linszoid/whodey.jpg

[DeToxRox]

So the game does end 11-10.

[miami_fan]

Even more pathetic performances by the Eagles, Panthers, and Dolphins against the 3 worst teams in the NFL. Looks like they might all escape with wins though.

I doubt there are any Dolphin fans who give a shit about the style points of the win.

[timmynausea]

So the game does end 11-10.

So after Pittsburgh has 120ish yards in penalties they get a late TD mysteriously wiped out that had no other meaning but how it effected the betting line.

[EagleFan]

What happened?

[timmynausea]

What happened?

I'm still not sure. The Chargers tried lateralling it around on the last play, and Pittsburgh S Troy Polamalu batted it down, scooped it up and ran it in for a TD. Time expired. The officials reviewed it. The official came on the field and said there was an illegal forward pitch (which Phil Simms repeatedly said he didn't see) but that the Steelers declined the penalty and took the TD. They lined up for the XP. The officials stopped play again and there was more confusion. The offical came out again and said something about the game ending with the result of the play. Just as the announcer was saying the 17-10 final looked completely normal, CBS flashed the 11-10 final on the screen and the announcers said they had wiped out the TD.

[JAG]

dola- People may laugh at me, but Brandon Jacobs should start getting some serious MVP consideration.

10 games in, 11 TD, an 900 rushing yards, all the while sharing the load for a 9-1 team.

I'm laughing at you. There's no way the Giants still wouldn't be rolling if he suddenly tore an ACL. Not that he's had a bad year, but the fact that his backups are doing well shows the OL is their real engine.

[larrymcg421]

I doubt there are any Dolphin fans who give a shit about the style points of the win.

Yeah. People were giving us credit for "looking good" against the Jets in the season opener. Then we get grief for playing like crap, but beating Seattle and Oakland. Sorry, but I'll take the latter.

[Arles]

The Cardinals shouldn't just be squeeking by these inferior teams, esp. if they want to win a playoff game.
Jeez, this is a team that's 7-3 for the first time since Jimmy Carter was president. They're not going to beat everyone 35-10. They faced a somewhat healthy Seattle team, in a place they hadn't won at in 6 years and were up 26-7 in the fourth quarter. Seattle made a bit of a late run, but Arizona made plays at the end and held on for a nice road win.

Outside of the Giants, I can't think of an NFC team who hasn't squeaked by some inferior teams (esp on the road).

[Thomkal]

Well my beloved Cards tried to give up a 19 point lead in the fourth quarter, but thankfully held on for the win. They have practically clinched the division-Seattle and St. Louis would need to win 5 of their last 6, San Fran 4 of their last 6 and the Cards to lose all their remaining games just to have a tie in the division.

Very very interesting game next week when the Giants come to the desert

[terpkristin]

Guess I'm somewhat surprised to see that nobody's talking about the Cowboys - Redskins game. I've been flipping back and forth in the game, the 'Skins are up 7-0 right now, just under 9 left in the first half. Apparently the Redskins have intercepted Romo twice already.

/tk

[Arles]

Given this game so far, I'm waiting for a "Scooby Doo" moment where a Washington D-Lineman sacks Romo, picks him and pulls off his face to reveal Brad Johnson ;)

[Deattribution]

Kind of funny seeing McNabb say he didn't know there were ties in the NFL, and being completely serious.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Thanksgiving Day it ends. The undefeated Titans vs the winless Lions. Lions will win, Ford will sign Mayhew to an extension, and I'll become a New Orleans VooDoo fan.
WHY DO YOU SAY THINGS THAT YOU KNOW WILL HURT ME

[cuervo72]

Kind of funny seeing McNabb say he didn't know there were ties in the NFL, and being completely serious.

AND Andy Reid not knowing what effect it has in the standings.

[Passacaglia]

I hate posting about fantasy in the NFL thread, but that TD pass by Romo made it a tie for me, with the only players left being Romo for me, Campbell for my opponent. Drama.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Kind of funny seeing McNabb say he didn't know there were ties in the NFL, and being completely serious.

I thought it was more sad than funny actually.

[Lathum]

I'm laughing at you. There's no way the Giants still wouldn't be rolling if he suddenly tore an ACL. Not that he's had a bad year, but the fact that his backups are doing well shows the OL is their real engine.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even watch Giants games? Find the first play of the game today when he bounced into the D line then ran outside for a 25 yard gain against the best run D in the league.

What makes Jacobs amazing has nothing to do with the O-line, it's what he does after he gets past the line, he turns 3 yard gains into 10 yard gains by running people over.

You can make the argument that just about any great back is the product of his line, you think Emmit Smith puts up the numbers he did not playing behind that line?

[Lathum]

After watching GMen and Carolina today, I think this would be a fantastic game come NFC Title Game time I love how they both run the ball, and play physical D. Carolina looked flat today but found a way to win, which is what good teams do.

The only thing standing in Carolinas way is Delhomme was awful the last two weeks. If he even gets back to a game management role, and lets Smith makes plays after the catch the Panthers will do damage.

The same Carolina team that has struggles to beat the Raiders and Lions?

It would be fantastic for Giants fans, since the game would be over by halftime.

[Radii]

The same Carolina team that has struggles to beat the Raiders and Lions?

It would be fantastic for Giants fans, since the game would be over by halftime.


Someone might need to step back into the realm of reality where anyone can win in any given week ;) Declaring that the giants playing against an 8-2 team for the NFC title would be over by halftime when we're only in week 11 is much worse than my week 2 hyperbole stating that Carolina would miss the playoffs.

[Lathum]

Someone might need to step back into the realm of reality where anyone can win in any given week ;) Declaring that the giants playing against an 8-2 team for the NFC title would be over by halftime when we're only in week 11 is much worse than my week 2 hyperbole stating that Carolina would miss the playoffs.

I realize anyone can lose on a given week, but the Panthers have looked horrible in beating 2 really bad teams and the Giants are by far the best team in the NFC

[Radii]

*marks Dec 21 on his calendar* :D

[Lathum]

*marks Dec 21 on his calendar* :D

that game may not matter, but It will be fun watching David Carr tear shit up

[Pumpy Tudors]

GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS
I see.

[stevew]

dola- People may laugh at me, but Brandon Jacobs should start getting some serious MVP consideration.

10 games in, 11 TD, an 900 rushing yards, all the while sharing the load for a 9-1 team.

I just resisted the urge to change the thread title to NFL Week 11(Brandon Jacobs is the NFL MVP?)

Besides, he's going to have to unseat Rodgers anyways.

[stevew]

And i have no clue which play was a forward lateral in the Pittsburgh game. That was some fucked up reffing.

The only thing I'd say there might be a call against is no advancing a fumble vs Polamalu, maybe. If it was illegal or something for a defensive player to bat a ball that far towards their endzone. Although that's legal i guess.

Who knows, Simms and Nance are both dummies anyways.

[Radii]

And i have no clue which play was a forward lateral in the Pittsburgh game. That was some fucked up reffing.

The only thing I'd say there might be a call against is no advancing a fumble vs Polamalu, maybe. If it was illegal or something for a defensive player to bat a ball that far towards their endzone. Although that's legal i guess.

Who knows, Simms and Nance are both dummies anyways.

I never saw anything even close to a forward lateral. I'm in fantasy league using IDP and I'm going up against Polamalu this week. The ruling on that play could very well decide who wins this week. At this point, the feed we're using isn't even giving Polamalu a fumble recovery, much less a forced fumble or of course a TD, I don't know if that's the official final scoring or if that may still be updated, but the only way that could happen is if the official ruling ends up being an illegal forward pass penalty that ends up ending the play at that point. I have no idea, and I care way more than I should given that it doesn't change the outcome of the game in any way :D

[SirFozzie]

Steelers-Chargers Chaos Rattles Las Vegas - The Fifth Down - Sports - Pro Football - New York Times Blog (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/steelers-chargers-chaos-rattles-vegas-strip/)

11-10 is the final, and there are a LOT of unhappy bettors on the Steelers in Vegas right now. Wonder if the NFL is investigating the refs for ties to gambling? :D

[larrymcg421]

The only way it would make sense is if the pass that Polamalu knocked down was a forward pass. Because then it would be an incomplete pass and the end of the play. I didn't see a replay of it, but I don't remember it being close to a forward pass.

I say it's time for a gambling investigation.

edit: foz beat me to it.

[stevew]

Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns)

Referee says officials errantly voided Steelers TD

By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer 15 minutes ago

PITTSBURGH (AP)—The first 11-10 game in NFL history shouldn’t have ended that way, referee Scott Green said after a last-minute touchdown was errantly taken away from the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.

The officiating mistake didn’t affect the outcome since the Steelers still would have won, but the touchdown would have changed the score to 17-10—or, more likely, 18-10, since the teams were lined up for an extra-point try that was never attempted.

On first-and-10 from San Diego’s 21 with 5 seconds remaining, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers threw a short pass to LaDainian Tomlinson over the middle for 3 yards. Tomlinson turned and made a handoff-type lateral to wide receiver Chris Chambers, who attempted to pitch the ball to a teammate only to have safety Troy Polamalu scoop it up and score from the 12.

Both teams left the field on what looked to be a game-ending play, but were called back by the officials for the extra-point attempt. At that point, the replay official called for a review.

After watching the play, Green initially announced the ruling on the field was upheld and the touchdown counted. But the officiating crew huddled again before the extra-point attempt and changed the call, deciding that an illegal forward pass should have ended the play.

Green, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said that call was errant—even though his explanation for the confusion was almost as confusing as the play itself.

“We should have let the play go through in the end, yes,” Green said. “It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play, we should have let the play go through.”

Green said the confusion occurred because there was a misunderstanding about which lateral was in question.

“The first pass was the one that was illegal, but it only kills the play if it hits the ground,” Green said. “That was incorrect to have killed it at that point. The ruling should have let the play go on. That’s just the way that it played out. We believe the second pass was legal.”

Green was asked why, since the ball didn’t hit the ground during any of the tossing, the officials decided after huddling that the play should have ended.

“We didn’t kill it on the field,” Green said. “After (the) discussion we decided … there was some confusion over which pass we were talking about and it was decided that it was the second pass that was illegal that did hit the ground and therefore we killed the play there.”

However, the officials realized afterward they erred.

“I know,” Green said. “The rule was misinterpreted.”

Asked about the officiating—the Steelers drew 115 yards in penalties to the Chargers’ 5—Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin declined to comment.

“No, I have never seen a game ended with 13-to-1 in penalties, but I am not answering questions about the officiating,” Tomlin said.

The call affected betting on the game since the Steelers were 5-point favorites and would have covered if the touchdown counted.

[stevew]

I don't think penalty distribution is a big deal, but when every wide angle shot seemingly shows James Harrison hooked, tackled, or facemasked, you really gotta wonder why they didn't throw at least on flag on the Chargers for that. Maybe my definition of holding is too much by the book or something.

[Coffee Warlord]

I do so heart Mike Brown.


"All I can tell you is that, obviously, our defense isn't what it used to be," Brown said. "Everyone wants it to be what it used to be, and it's not that. It's all about performance, and we haven't been performing well. Wherever we're ranked, that's where we deserve to be ranked, know what I'm saying?

"It is what it is. Once we come to grips that our defense isn't what it's supposed to be, we'll all be better off."

"Our perception is that we have a good defense," Brown said. "The reality is we don't."

[JAG]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even watch Giants games? Find the first play of the game today when he bounced into the D line then ran outside for a 25 yard gain against the best run D in the league.

What makes Jacobs amazing has nothing to do with the O-line, it's what he does after he gets past the line, he turns 3 yard gains into 10 yard gains by running people over.

You can make the argument that just about any great back is the product of his line, you think Emmit Smith puts up the numbers he did not playing behind that line?

I've seen Jacobs play, as well as their other RB's. Even though I agree he's their best running back and he's having a good year, he's not the difference between the Giants being 9-1 and 5-5. Maybe I don't understand what you use as criteria for being an MVP.

[MIJB#19]

Going into the week I was still flip-dlopping between Eli Manning and David Garrard, but in retrospect, picking up Shaun Hill to start for my fantasy team was a no-brainer decission. I'm pretty happy I made that decission afterall. :D

[Lathum]

Maybe I don't understand what you use as criteria for being an MVP.

Among the league leaders in catergories relevant to his position- check

has the ability to change a game on his own- check

Makes plays with the ball no other player in the league can make- check

Irreplaceable if he goes down- check

Leader on a winning team- check

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Right now Kurt Warner is the MVP, and I'd argue that it's close to hands-down.

[Alan T]

Right now Kurt Warner is the MVP, and I'd argue that it's close to hands-down.

I don't know that it is hands down.. Warner isn't bounds ahead of other QBs in the league as far as his stats go.. But he has been statistically the best QB so far this season, and has led a team that is often thought for dead into a good position to make the playoffs. The biggest reason that he is probably likely to win MVP though is because he is just a great story for the media and fans.

Barring a collapse, I don't really see anyone else winning the MVP over him. It usually goes to a QB unless a running back has a run away year (1700+ yards, etc or in Marshall Faulk's case an insane number of all purpose yards).

[Butter]

Crazy out of his mind with homerism - check

[miked]

Among the league leaders in catergories relevant to his position- check

has the ability to change a game on his own- check

Makes plays with the ball no other player in the league can make- check

Irreplaceable if he goes down- check

Leader on a winning team- check

Well, maybe he'll get the Derek Jeter award by some of those number-less metrics.

He also only accounts for 50% of his team's rushing yards, so he's not really making plays with the ball no other player on his TEAM can make. He's apparently not that irreplaceable, and his leadership role is relatively unknown. Take him out, and the Giants may still well be 6-4 at worse and still in the hunt. Oh, and he has 5 catches so far all season. Sub Leinart for Warner and the Cards are probably with the rest of their division.

He's good, but let's not let fandom get in the way of numbers.

[Arles]

Kurt Warner:
105.5 rating, 71% compl, 3,155 yards, 20 TDs, 7 INT

Next best rated QB: Rivers
100.8 rating, 64.5% compl, 2,513 yards, 21 TDs, 10 INT

Best combo of other similar QBs (300 attempts, 10 TDs):
69.8% compl (Favre), 3,251 yards (Brees), 21 TDs (Rivers), 6 INT (Rodgers)

Warner is with the margin for error with the "Super QB" above. But the best reason for Warner to be in the lead for MVP?
Arizona is ranked 29th in the NFL in rushing yards per game (86.9) and dead last in yards per carry (3.4). So, Arizona is averaging 29 points per game (2nd in the NFL) with virtually no rushing game at all. The other top scoring teams (Giants, Jets, Packers) have much more balance.

[Lathum]

Crazy out of his mind with homerism - check

I fully admit to this :D

[Lathum]

He also only accounts for 50% of his team's rushing yards, so he's not really making plays with the ball no other player on his TEAM can make. He's apparently not that irreplaceable, and his leadership role is relatively unknown. Take him out, and the Giants may still well be 6-4 at worse and still in the hunt.


He only accounts for 50% because he has sat out alot of 4th quarter blow outs this season. And no one else on his team can turn a 3 yard run into an 11 yard run by running over linebackers and carrying them an additional 5-7 yards. No one in the league does that.

I realize he isn't a realistic candidate but he doesn't get any pub and he deserves it.

[Radii]

Relatively recent RBs to win the MVP:

2006 - Tomlinson - 1815 rushing yards, 28 rushing TDs, 56 rec, 508 yards, 3 rec TD

2005 - Alexander - 1880 rushing yards, 27 rushing TDs

2000 - Faulk - 1359 rushing yards, 18 rushing TD, 81 rec, 830 rec yards, 8 rec TD

1998 - Davis - 2008 rushing yards, 21 rushing TD

1993 - Smith - 1486 rushing yards, 9 rushing TD, 57 rec, 414 rec yards, 1 rec TD *** led the league in rushing despite only playing 14 games


RBs in the last decade to win the MVP have to put up ridiculous numbers, either crazy yardage, tons of receiving yards, or record setting TD numbers. Jacobs doesn't have any of that.

Jacobs is on pace for 1406 yards and 18 TD and has only caught 8 passes so far this season, a solid season, but he's 4th in the league in rushing, and his importance to his team cannot be reasonably considered to be anywhere near that of Kurt Warner leading the Arizona freaking Cardinals to a division title.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Among the league leaders in catergories relevant to his position- check

has the ability to change a game on his own- check

Makes plays with the ball no other player in the league can make- check

Irreplaceable if he goes down- check

Leader on a winning team- check
Nice to see that you could put your homerism aside long enough to make a case for Michael Turner.

:D

[Fighter of Foo]

I realize he isn't a realistic candidate but he doesn't get any pub and he deserves it.

You're right. We definitely don't hear enough about the top running back on the Super Bowl champs & top team in the NFC.

[Lathum]

You're right. We definitely don't hear enough about the top running back on the Super Bowl champs & top team in the NFL.

fixed :D

[Alan T]

fixed :D

Every year there is one team that just makes me want to root against them in the playoffs.. It used to be the 49ers, then the cowboys then other various teams at times including green bay, Indy and of course last year it was good to root against New England.

I think this year I will be rooting against the Giants in the playoff. I don't care who beats them as long as they lose. :)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like the Monday night game should be entertaining to watch in Buffalo tonight. 24 inches of snow on the ground with another 6 inches expected during the game this evening. I'll sit in my 70 degree climate controlled living room and enjoy every moment of it.

[cuervo72]

Ohhh....I love snow in HD.

[Autumn]

Maybe point a fan at you so you get a little taste of their experience.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Maybe point a fan at you so you get a little taste of their experience.

I'll crack a window. It's supposed to be 25 degrees tonight in KC.

[Dr. Sak]

Ohhh....I love snow in HD.

Are you related to Lawrence Taylor?

[Lathum]

Looks like the Monday night game should be entertaining to watch in Buffalo tonight. 24 inches of snow on the ground with another 6 inches expected during the game this evening. I'll sit in my 70 degree climate controlled living room and enjoy every moment of it.

sounds awesome.

[Lathum]

Donovan McNabb didn't know that NFL games could end in ties - Shutdown Corn... - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Donovan-McNabb-didn-t-know-that-NFL-games-could-?urn=nfl,122568)

[ISiddiqui]

LOL!!!

[Fighter of Foo]

Looks like the Monday night game should be entertaining to watch in Buffalo tonight. 24 inches of snow on the ground with another 6 inches expected during the game this evening. I'll sit in my 70 degree climate controlled living room and enjoy every moment of it.

Can anyone else confirm or deny?

[MikeVic]

Can anyone else confirm or deny?

What, you don't trust him?

[stevew]

Assuming trends continue, Warner should win the MVP and get almost all of the first place votes.

[Fighter of Foo]

I'd prefer to get a weather report from someone slightly closer than Missouri, especially since the only reason I care is for gambling purposes.

[Coffee Warlord]

Is it wrong that I checked the Trib's website a bajillion times today in the miniscule hope I'd see "Lovie Fired"?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'd prefer to get a weather report from someone slightly closer than Missouri, especially since the only reason I care is for gambling purposes.

Buffalo, New York (14201) Conditions & Forecast : Weather Underground (http://www.wunderground.com/US/NY/Buffalo.html)

[Lathum]

I'd prefer to get a weather report from someone slightly closer than Missouri, especially since the only reason I care is for gambling purposes.

you know you can check the weather for anywhere on the interwebs.

[BishopMVP]

you know you can check the weather for anywhere on the interwebs.
What worse, Donovan McNabb not knowing NFL games could end in ties or Fighter of Foo not knowing about weather reports?"Maybe a lot of the guys haven't been in the league seven years," cornerback Sheldon Brown said, "but I know the rules."
Told his quarterback didn't know the rule, Mornhinweg said: "Yeah, um, yeah, but, uh, I don't know what to say on that one."

[Galaxy]

Man...This game is tough as a Bills fan.

[DeToxRox]

3 INT's from Edwards in the first quarter. Unreal.

[Galaxy]

3 INT's from Edwards in the first quarter. Unreal.

I don't get where he is throwing them. The first one I can understand, but jeez. Of course, Dick Jauron is the worst coach in the world.

[Galaxy]

If your third and short, at least have Trent under center with a RB in the backfield to force the defense to defend the run.

[MrDNA]

Calm down, the Browns don't have a defense

/Browns fan.

[RedKingGold]

Hey, Braylon Edwards looks like a first round pick again!

[Galaxy]

That was almost 4 picks.

[Raiders Army]

Donovan McNabb didn't know that NFL games could end in ties - Shutdown Corn... - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Donovan-McNabb-didn-t-know-that-NFL-games-could-?urn=nfl,122568)

Atlanta Falcons at Philadelphia Eagles - January 11th, 2003 - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301110phi.htm)

[SFL Cat]

Donovan McNabb didn't know that NFL games could end in ties - Shutdown Corn... - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Donovan-McNabb-didn-t-know-that-NFL-games-could-?urn=nfl,122568)

Future VP material.

[Lathum]

Atlanta Falcons at Philadelphia Eagles - January 11th, 2003 - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301110phi.htm)

I don't get it?

[Galaxy]

Dick Jauron sucks.

[Galaxy]

A good game.

[sabotai]

I don't get it?

Atlanta had a tie on their record in 2003 when they played the Eagles in the playoffs.

[Travis]

Run for 72, return for 98, pass for ?

[Galaxy]

Bad call.

[SirFozzie]

Does anyone want to win this game?

[DeToxRox]

The fact Crennel hasn't challenged a play all year until now was insane.

[QuikSand]

Okay, so you have decided to call a time out. Why not just challenge the spot at the goal line? You get longer, and then the worst thing that can happen is you lose a time out. What gives?

[kingfc22]

That was a great effort by Lynch. He's had one hell of a game tonight.

[DeToxRox]

That was DAS BOOT.

Too bad Lindell looks like he'll get a shot to boom one.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Jim Kelly just had a look on his face like he has heard "wide right" before.

[Galaxy]

Okay, so you have decided to call a time out. Why not just challenge the spot at the goal line? You get longer, and then the worst thing that can happen is you lose a time out. What gives?

I don't question Dick Jauron's decisions. It sucks that Ralph Wilson won't pony up the bucks for a great coach, after giving him a 3-year extension this year.

[NoSkillz]

Edwards has completely lost every ounce of confidence he once had. Did he even ATTEMPT to throw a pass to Lee Evans tonight??? Their best offensive weapon?

Brutal job of scheming by OC Turk Schonert...he should have done a much better job involving Evans early with some slants, screens or even a reverse. Zero touches? Disgusting.

Buffalo sports talk radio is bad enough but I can only imagine how bad it's going to be this week!

[stevew]

Okay, so you have decided to call a time out. Why not just challenge the spot at the goal line? You get longer, and then the worst thing that can happen is you lose a time out. What gives?

RAC is the only one smart enough to call a timeout, and then challenge a play as well(last year vs the Steelers)

Listened to the game, and it sounded like a fight to see who could undercoach their opponent. 3 runs into the line with a timeout, and settling for a 47 yarder? Really doesn't make too much sense. I know you want the Browns to burn their timeouts, but I'd have at least tried to get someone on a hot slant. Then you run the ball and get it down to 5 seconds and kick.


And the squib kick just seems like such a bad play by RAC there too. I know the guy has taken one back earlier, but I'd rather chance stopping them inside the 30, instead of giving them it at the 40+ yard line on the squib. Hell, kick the fuckin thing out of bounds, it's better than a squib most all of the time..

[stevew]

I don't get where he is throwing them. The first one I can understand, but jeez. Of course, Dick Jauron is the worst coach in the world.

Well, I'd beg to differ on that point. I mean, look at the moron across the field. RAC is no brainiac himself.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I was PISSED when I tuned in and it wasn't snowing. I watched 15 minutes and finally turned it off after they showed that idiot with no shirt on and 'ESPN' shaved/written on his belly.

[Raiders Army]

Well, I'd beg to differ on that point. I mean, look at the moron across the field. RAC is no brainiac himself.

You're both wrong. Jim Fassell is campaigning to be the next Raiders Head Coach.

[Crim]

The fact Crennel hasn't challenged a play all year until now was insane.

Hye dude, the refs don't tell him how to coach, why should he tell them how to ref?

[Crim]

Well, if Fassell can't turn it around, it just can't be done. It'll be time for Bud Selig to contract the Raiders at that point. Along with the Twins and the Devil Rays.