College Football Week 12 Thread

[Vegas Vic]

There's an entertaining game in progress on ESPN2 between #22 Cincinnati and Louisville. Louisville is up 17-14 at halftime.

Cincinnati's coach, Brian Kelly, made a bone headed decision in the 1st quarter to go for it on 4th and 1 from his own 29, missed it, and Louisville tied it up on an 11 play, 28 yard drive to give them the momentum.

[Honolulu_Blue]

This might be the best game of the week. The rest of the games all look to be pretty poor/boring.

[Vegas Vic]

It's good to see quarterback Dustin Grutza back on the field for Cincinnati after breaking his leg earlier this year. He came in and led an impressive drive to put the Bearcats up 28-20 with six minutes left in the game.

Cincinnati has been a gritty team this year. Due to injuries, they've had to play four different quarterbacks.

[Lathum]

Of course the year I leave UC will make a BCS bowl

[Vegas Vic]

Cincinnati's kicker just missed his fourth consecutive field goal to keep Louisville in the game. UC 28-20 with two minutes left.

[timmynausea]

That review and change of the spot that took away the Louisville 3rd down conversion late in the game was one of the worst I've seen this year. It looked to me like it was a pretty good spot considering forward progress. I was really surprised they changed it.

[Vegas Vic]

Oklahoma has a bye this week, so I'll be rooting for the Kansas Jayhawks against Texas.

[Poli]

Tennessee WILL NOT lose this week.

[Vegas Vic]

Texas is in a fairly tight game with Kansas, with the Longhorns up 14-0 at halftime. However, Kansas doesn't look they have the offensive firepower to do anything against this Longhorn defense.

[General Mike]

Rutgers is looking pretty good so far today.

[GrantDawg]

UGA and Auburn is trying to really out ugly each other. Georgia has been the ugliest, but they have a one point lead after the half, 7-6.

[Vegas Vic]

Game over at Kansas. Texas goes up 21-0 early in the 3rd, and it might as well be 21,000 to 0 the way Kansas' offense is playing.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia adds a FG, extends their lead over Auburn to 10-6 as the 3rd quarter draws to a close.

[GrantDawg]

Georgia adds a FG, extends their lead over Auburn to 10-6 as the 3rd quarter draws to a close.


Are you watch this game? Excuse my French, but pretty shitty for a UGA-Auburn game, eh?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I dunno GD, I think it just got a lot better :D

Cody Fannin with a great 35 yd run on 3rd & short, TD Auburn. Tigers lead 13-10 with 11:05 left in regulation.

[GrantDawg]

I dunno GD, I think it just got a lot better :D

Cody Fannin with a great 35 yd run on 3rd & short, TD Auburn. Tigers lead 13-10 with 11:05 left in regulation.


You would. :banghead:

Of course, they both still look better than Tennessee. :devil:

[RedKingGold]

Game over at Kansas. Texas goes up 21-0 early in the 3rd, and it might as well be 21,000 to 0 the way Kansas' offense is playing.

So much for the supposed power of the Big 12 North, eh?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Of course, they both still look better than Tennessee. :devil:

So did at least half the teams playing in both Georgia & Tennesse on Friday night :rant:

[MJ4H]

That was an awesome run by Fannin to give Auburn the lead.

[Sun Tzu]

This QB for Michigan is absolutely awful. How does a guy like this wind up starting for such a high profile Division I team?

[RedKingGold]

PSU's performance today kind of satisfies me that they're not going to the National Championship game. No way that Indiana team hangs around with any other Top 10 team in the country. Heck, even Ohio State would've had em' by 30 by the half.

Hopefully, the Lions will beat Michigan State at home next week to win another Big Ten title (2nd in 4 years). That was pretty much the main realistic goal this season, anyway.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia gets the benefit of a highly questionable pass inteference call, Tuberville explodes & gets a 5 yard sideline warning delay of game.

edit to add: Notable because I don't know if I've ever seen that called that way. When the flag came down I was expecting an unsportsmanlike.

[GrantDawg]

Georgia gets the benefit of a highly questionable pass inteference call, Tuberville explodes & gets a 5 yard sideline warning delay of game.

edit to add: Notable because I don't know if I've ever seen that called that way. When the flag came down I was expecting an unsportsmanlike.


Which would have been against Georgia, since I think Unsportsmanlike is now what the U stands for in UGA.

UGA scores, and about freakin time.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Stafford 17 yds to a leaping AJ Green, TD Georgia back in front 17-13 with 8:24 left to play.

[Vegas Vic]

Heh. Navy just scored a TD to cut Notre Dame's lead to 27-21, then recovered on onside kick with less than 2 minutes left in the game (CBS).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia can't convert 3rd & 7 as Moreno stumbles down about a yard short after catching a screen. Tigers take their last timeout so they'll punt ... OMG, Auburn just jumped offside ... OMG OMG no they called procedure on Georgia, so they will punt after all, fair caught at the Auburn 20.

[General Mike]

Rutgers rolls over USF 49-16 to improve to 5-5.

[Vegas Vic]

OK, I just switched over the the Georgia/Auburn game, which is being carried by -- Raycom Sports? :eek:

Before the season, if someone had told you that the Georgia/Auburn game would be televised by Raycom Sports, you would have laughed your ass off.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Auburn down to the UGA 14 with 0:13 left, 3rd & 1.

[JonInMiddleGA]

How the hell no pass inteference was called on that fade I have no idea.
4th & 1, :07 left.

Under pressure Kodi Burns lobs one up ... incomplete off the fingertips of Ben Tate in the corner of the end zone, UGA takes over with :01 left.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

This QB for Michigan is absolutely awful. How does a guy like this wind up starting for such a high profile Division I team?

He would be at best, 3rd string under normal circumstances. If Rodriguez had any other options he would, but he simply does not have the players to run his system.

Give it a few years and Michigan will be a good team.

[RPI-Fan]

Heh. Navy just scored a TD to cut Notre Dame's lead to 27-21, then recovered on onside kick with less than 2 minutes left in the game (CBS).

Can't believe Charlie kicked the FG with ~10 minutes left when up by 17. It's a 3-possession/2-TD game either way... 4th and 3 you have to go for it there.

Charlie's game management was shockingly inept in the last 10 minutes today. Gah.

[RPI-Fan]

He would be at best, 3rd string under normal circumstances. If Rodriguez had any other options he would, but he simply does not have the players to run his system.

Give it a few years and Michigan will be a good team.

And he has a pretty good arm... he was a 4-star recruit.

[Logan]

Rutgers rolls over USF 49-16 to improve to 5-5.

Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with where this team is at now. To get back to .500 from being 1-5, and with a legitimate shot to continue running the table is a nice feat. Amazingly, we still have a shot at winning the Big East.

[miked]

Kenny Britt has a shot at being a first day pick this offseason. Big East win is a long shot, but 2nd place has a decent tie-in. As long as we're not playing in the Texas Bowl, International Bowl. or MPC Computers Bowl.

[Vegas Vic]

MPC Computers Bowl.

Actually, that went back to being called the Humanitarian Bowl last year.

[General Mike]

Kenny Britt has a shot at being a first day pick this offseason. Big East win is a long shot, but 2nd place has a decent tie-in. As long as we're not playing in the Texas Bowl, International Bowl. or MPC Computers Bowl.

If we finish 7-5, we're going to be stuck in the PapaJohns.com crap bowl, unless Syracuse can find a way to beat Navy next week.

Here are my current Big East bowl projections:

BCS - Cincinnati
Gator - ND
Meineke - WVU
International - Pitt
PapaJohns.com - Rutgers
St. Petersburg - UConn

Best case for Rutgers is that UConn, USF and Rutgers all have 7 wins, and Rutgers finds its way into one of the bowls the other BCS conferences don't fill. Going to the Texas bowl sure seems a lot better at this point then going to Birmingham.

[JonInMiddleGA]

St. Petersburg - UConn

There's a bowl game in Russia?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Smelley throws a pick six & Florida takes 7-0 lead over South Carolina late in the first quarter.
edit to add: Tipped at the line, another interception by Florida (no long return this time though).

[General Mike]

There's a bowl game in Russia?

I wish. Still better then Birmingham tho.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Wow, talk about a melt down ... Florida went up 14-0 after the second turnover, they kickoff & SC tried one of those toss back/throw across things on the return.

Naturally the toss was bad & was fumbled, Florida recovers for another TD.

edit to add: After further review, the runner was down at the one foot line.

[Karlifornia]

How long ago was it decided that Spurrier is not an offensive genius?

[GrantDawg]

How long ago was it decided that Spurrier is not an offensive genius?

Honestly? Once he didn't have the recruiting power of UF anymore. He just has no shot of getting anything resembling the same talent at USC-Dicks...um I mean Cocks.

[General Mike]

Honestly? Once he didn't have the recruiting power of UF anymore. He just has no shot of getting anything resembling the same talent at USC-Dicks...um I mean Cocks.

I just think he's lazy. His offense was pretty good at Duke, and Duke isn't even close to Florida.

[GrantDawg]

I just think he's lazy. His offense was pretty good at Duke, and Duke isn't even close to Florida.


True, but then the ACC wasn't very good when he was at Duke, either.

[miked]

I wish. Still better then Birmingham tho.

Birmingham would be awesome, it's about a 1.5-2 hour drive from me. Get a car full and go!

[Radii]

UNC leads Maryland 15-14 at the half in a game that is critical for both team's chances to win their respective divisions in the ACC. UNC wins the ACC Coastal Division if they win out, and after this their last two games are vs NC State and at Duke, the two worst teams in the conference.

Of the 3 teams that realistically have a shot at the ACC Atlantic Division(Maryland, Wake Forest, and FSU) if I'm reading the schedules correctly Maryland is the one that is in control of their own destiny. If FSU wins out they need Wake to lose, if Wake wins out they need Maryland to lose.

What a huge mess.

[larrymcg421]

I hate rooting against Butch Davis, but as a Canes fan, I really want UNC to lose here.

Miami is getting better and better. I think we'll be extremely dangerous next year. I still think Jacory Harris is better than Robert Marve and wish he'd get more playing time.

[SirFozzie]

UNC leads Maryland 15-14 at the half in a game that is critical for both team's chances to win their respective divisions in the ACC. UNC wins the ACC Coastal Division if they win out, and after this their last two games are vs NC State and at Duke, the two worst teams in the conference.

Of the 3 teams that realistically have a shot at the ACC Atlantic Division(Maryland, Wake Forest, and FSU) if I'm reading the schedules correctly Maryland is the one that is in control of their own destiny. If FSU wins out they need Wake to lose, if Wake wins out they need Maryland to lose.

What a huge mess.


And if 2-3 Boston College beats all three of em, they take the Division. No shit.

[ISiddiqui]

Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with where this team is at now. To get back to .500 from being 1-5, and with a legitimate shot to continue running the table is a nice feat. Amazingly, we still have a shot at winning the Big East.

Only if Rutgers had started the year playing like this. I mean really... what the Hell took so long? They could have won the Big East if this is how the season started off.

[ISiddiqui]

Honestly? Once he didn't have the recruiting power of UF anymore. He just has no shot of getting anything resembling the same talent at USC-Dicks...um I mean Cocks.

To be fair, Spurrier has the best record at South Carolina of any HC who had more than 2 season coaching since Billy Laval back in 1928-34. No lie:

South Carolina Gamecocks football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks_football)

[Easy Mac]

That was bullshit in the Furman-Georgia Southern game.

Furman has 4th and 10 at the Georgia Southern 17 with 1 minute left. Furman is coming out of a time out, Georgia Southern has none.

Furman comes out of a time out and is about to snap the ball, the Georgia Southern captain LB starts jumping up and down, signaling a Time Out. The refs wait 5 seconds, then blow it dead right as Furman snaps it. They then say GSU has no time outs left, and reset the game clock. That causes us to completely waste our play... I can't believe they didn't throw an unsportsmanlike flag.

[larrymcg421]

De-fense! De-fense!

Come on!

[JonInMiddleGA]

To be fair, Spurrier has the best record at South Carolina of any HC who had more than 2 season coaching since Billy Laval back in 1928-34. No lie:

South Carolina Gamecocks football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks_football)

More recently, this is also the first time they've posted four non-losing seasons in a row since '78-'81 when they did it under Jim Carlen (courtesy of two .500 seasons in that stretch)

[Vegas Vic]

Oregon State still controls their own destiny for the Rose Bowl. They just defeated Cal, and they have Arizona and Oregon to finish out the season.

[larrymcg421]

Maryland wins! Miami now controls their own destiny. They win their final two games and they're in the title game.

Next Thursday they're at Georgia Tech and I'll be there.

[Vegas Vic]

On the Versus Network, Stanford goes up 7-0 on USC early in the 1st quarter. Somehow, I don't think that lead is going to hold up.

[Radii]

As if the point that no one really wants to win the ACC hasn't been driven home enough, Wake Forest loses to NC State 21-17. Oh and lets not forget that Florida State has suspended five players for tonight's game vs Boston College... all five are WRs.

[Dr. Sak]

Stanford up 10-3 and getting the ball to start the 2nd qtr.

[RedKingGold]

Ugh. How bad would the BCS be this year if Oregon State, Utah, Boise State, and Cincinnati won out.

How bad would the BCS ratings be if that we're to happen?

[Matthean]

To be fair, Spurrier has the best record at South Carolina of any HC who had more than 2 season coaching since Billy Laval back in 1928-34. No lie:

South Carolina Gamecocks football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks_football)

Got to say, there's something sweet about Spurrier getting 56 posted against him since few coaches used and abused on a yearly basis creme puff teams.

[JPhillips]

Ugh. Wabash got creamed in the oldest rivalry west of the Alleghenies, the Monon Bell Classic. We threw three second quarter picks and were behind 23-0 at halftime. We finally scored in the second half, but Depauw took the bell back to Greencastle with a 36-14 victory.

Tomorrow we'll find out if the loss cost us a home playoff game.

[Vegas Vic]

Troy is taking LSU to the woodshed late in the 2nd quarter, 24-3.

[RedKingGold]

Troy is taking LSU to the woodshed late in the 2nd quarter, 24-3.

Was just going to comment on that.

Pretty big fall from National Championship to getting beaten up by a Sun-Belt team.

[SackAttack]

Troy is taking LSU to the woodshed late in the 2nd quarter, 24-3.

Is Yahoo being serious here? Troy went for it on 4th-10 from their own 26? WHY?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Is Yahoo being serious here? Troy went for it on 4th-10 from their own 26? WHY?

Must be a Yahoo glitch. espn.com boxscore lists no fourth down tries for either team & also the pbp includes this line

4th and 10 at TSU 26 Will Goggans punt for 32 yards, returned by Chad Jones for 4 yards to the LSU 46.

[Dr. Sak]

Troy is taking LSU to the woodshed late in the 2nd quarter, 24-3.

Just adds to the tough aspect of the SEC.

[MJ4H]

Houston 42, Tulsa 17 9 seconds to go in the first half.

[terpkristin]

Maryland wins! Miami now controls their own destiny. They win their final two games and they're in the title game.

Next Thursday they're at Georgia Tech and I'll be there.

I was at the UNC - Maryland game, what a crazy game that was. The monsoon-like rain in the first half made for some horrible plays, but also some good football on both sides of the ball. It was pretty tense going into the last half of the fourth quarter (not to mention freaking chilly because we were all wet from the first half). I was rather disappointed with Maryland's defense during many of UNC's drives, but at the end, they were there when it counted. Obviously, intercepting the opponent is a good thing, but I don't think I've ever been quite so glad to see one as I was this evening.

Sure wish we hadn't spooted UNC 2 points on the opening play, though.

/tk

[Wolfpack]

As if the point that no one really wants to win the ACC hasn't been driven home enough, Wake Forest loses to NC State 21-17. Oh and lets not forget that Florida State has suspended five players for tonight's game vs Boston College... all five are WRs.

Hmm...from 2-6 to a chance at a bowl game if we win out. Wait a minute. I know this one! We'll manage to win the next one, then get pounded in our final game. This is just like last year! Awesome! (Well, almost...we were 1-5, then won four in a row, then lost the last two including a killer 34-0 loss on home turf to Maryland in the last game of the season). Granted if the plot line holds up, then we beat Carolina next weekend. Eh, why not? :D

Oh, and while I'm about talking about the Carolina game for next weekend: GO TO HELL, CAROLINA! GO STATE! :D

[Tigercat]

Will Les Miles = Larry Coker? I think Les Miles has/had more potential as a head coach than that, but he has made an AWFUL, AWFUL decision at defensive coordinator and didn't do a better job to ensure that he had a QB that would be ready to be at least not horrible. With good coordinators that can be very detail oriented, I think Miles could be a great coach. The problem is it is up to a head coach to hire coordinators, and he laid a huge egg by promoting two clueless coaches from within.

[Tigercat]

Dola, Troy now leads LSU 31 - 3. I just moved back to Louisiana today and contemplated catching the game in person. I feel I made the correct call not going.

[RedKingGold]

Will Les Miles = Larry Coker? I think Les Miles has/had more potential as a head coach than that, but he has made an AWFUL, AWFUL decision at defensive coordinator and didn't do a better job to ensure that he had a QB that would be ready to be at least not horrible. With good coordinators that can be very detail oriented, I think Miles could be a great coach. The problem is it is up to a head coach to hire coordinators, and he laid a huge egg by promoting two clueless coaches from within.

Dude, LSU won a national title not too long ago.

Like, last year. Four years after Saban (and a full class of his players left)

I know it's a hard swallow to get whomped like that, but let's hold off the pitchforks just yet. I'm pretty sure Miles knows what he's doing.

[Tigercat]

Dude, LSU won a national title.

Last. year.

I know it's a hard swallow to get whomped like that, but let's hold off the pitchforks just yet.


Hey, I even say he has the ability to be a great coach. Lots of people out there would disagree with me. Doesn't change the fact that he made a HORRIBLE hire. As in one of the worst coordinator hires in modern college football. You are, as you stated, coming off a national championship. You have the cash, you have the prestige. Do you go out and get a proven guy, or someone with at least a lot of potential? No, you promote two position coaches, that weren't even good position coaches at LSU. Not to mention that its a bad idea to make the job of one man a cooperative effort.

Miles isn't a guy that can micromanage one side of the ball if things get tough like Meyer or Saban can. He needs good coordinators. Hopefully he fires these two guys ASAP and never makes such a mistake again. Because unless he makes better judgments he is headed the Coker route.

[RedKingGold]

Hey, I even say he has the ability to be a great coach. Lots of people out there would disagree with me. Doesn't change the fact that he made a HORRIBLE hire. As in one of the worst coordinator hires in modern college football. You are, as you stated, coming off a national championship. You have the cash, you have the prestige. Do you go out and get a proven guy, or someone with at least a lot of potential? No, you promote two position coaches, that weren't even good position coaches at LSU. Not to mention that its a bad idea to make the job of one man a cooperative effort.

Miles isn't a guy that can micromanage one side of the ball if things get tough like Meyer or Saban can. He needs good coordinators. Hopefully he fires these two guys ASAP and never makes such a mistake again. Because unless he makes better judgments he is headed the Coker route.

Miami under Coker:

2002 = 12-0 (National Championship)
2003 = 11-2 (Finished #5 in nation; won Big East Conference)
2004 = 9-3 (Finished #11 in nation; beat Florida 27-10 in Peach)
2005 = 9-3 (Finished #17 in nation; lost to LSU 40-3 in Peach)
2006 = 7-6 (Finished unranked; Coker fired at mid-season)

LSU under Miles:

2005 = 11-2 (Finished #5 in nation; beat Miami 40-3 in Peach)
2006 = 11-2 (Finished #3 in nation; beat Notre Dame in Sugar)
2007 = 12-1 (National Championship)

Note that Miami's record slipped moving from the Big East to the ACC. Miles has been consistently good in a tougher conference.

Also, it should be noted that much of Oklahoma State's current talent was recruted by Miles. Coker was never a strong recruiter and it showed by the dearth in talent after Butch Davis's players left.

So, you're pretty much wrong on the Coker-Miles comparisons and you don't know what you're talking about.

[Chief Rum]

Have I mentioned before how much I can't stand Kevin Craft under center at UCLA? Is there any--ANY--chance this guy gets delusions of grandeur and puts himself out for the draft, so that the staff simply won't have a choice but go with someone else?

[Tigercat]

Miami under Coker:

2002 = 12-0 (National Championship)
2003 = 11-2 (Finished #5 in nation; won Big East Conference)
2004 = 9-3 (Finished #11 in nation; beat Florida 27-10 in Peach)
2005 = 9-3 (Finished #17 in nation; lost to LSU 40-3 in Peach)
2006 = 7-6 (Finished unranked; Coker fired at mid-season)

LSU under Miles:

2005 = 11-2 (Finished #5 in nation; beat Miami 40-3 in Peach)
2006 = 11-2 (Finished #3 in nation; beat Notre Dame in Sugar)
2007 = 12-1 (National Championship)

Note that Miami's record slipped moving from the Big East to the ACC. Miles has been consistently good in a tough conference.

Also, it should be noted that much of Oklahoma State's current talent was recruted by Miles. Coker was never a strong recruiter and it showed by the dearth in talent after Butch Davis's players left.

So, you're pretty much wrong on the Coker-Miles comparisons and you don't know what you're talking about.

Miles had 2 losses last year. And again I am not even calling him that YET. I am saying he has more potential than Coker. But, as an LSU fan that actually likes Miles and thinks he has been and can be a great coach, I am just concerned that he royally fucked up a very important decision. Lots of people lose jobs over that sort of thing.

LSU has scored 21 unanswered on the men of Troy now! Rally against those sunbelt bastards! (J. Lee is looking very good in the second half now after looking horrid in the first half. He also set the NCAA record for INTs thrown for TDs in a season tonight.)

[Matthean]

The problem for Miles is that Saban is back in the SEC and Saban has proven he can flat out recruit with anybody. Let's not forget that Miles is also a huge gambler and pretty much all of his gambles paid off in the year they win a title. If he succeeded even at a 75% rate of gambles, they might have not even been in the title to begin with. As a Michigan fan, I was openly happy that Michigan didn't get him.

[Tigercat]

The problem for Miles is that Saban is back in the SEC and Saban has proven he can flat out recruit with anybody. Let's not forget that Miles is also a huge gambler and pretty much all of his gambles paid off in the year they win a title. If he succeeded even at a 75% rate of gambles, they might have not even been in the title to begin with. As a Michigan fan, I was openly happy that Michigan didn't get him.


Anyone can recruit at LSU. Louisiana produces more NFL talent per capital than any other state in the nation. Dinardo was a sub-par recruiter and he got lots of talent at LSU. Miles is recruiting very well at LSU. The difference between Miles and Saban is Saban is a master organizer of a program and Saban can personally shape a great defense while he is the head coach if he has to.

[Tigercat]

Dola, LSU with 24 unanswered now. 31-27 Troy. Incredible comeback considering how horrible LSU looked when it was 31-3. Not that incredible comebacks against Sunbelt teams mean a whole lot.

[SirFozzie]

Apparently FSU has been taking their stupid pills today

[Vegas Vic]

30 unanswered points by LSU in the last 16 minutes. 33-31 LSU, but they missed the extra point.

[Tigercat]

Now I wish I had gone to this freaky game.

[Vegas Vic]

Now I wish I had gone to this freaky game.

This is one of those ESPN Gameplan lineup fillers that I wouldn't normally waste any time watching, but I'm glad that I tuned this one in.

[Vegas Vic]

37 unanswered points by LSU. 40-31, LSU with 1:40 left in the game.

[SirFozzie]

You stay classy, FSU. Apparently the stupid pills work postgame too.

[SackAttack]

So I turn the computer off to play some Fallout 3, I come back, and Troy's gone from a three-score lead over LSU to the walking dead. Wow.

[Wolfpack]

The ACC standings are now reaching total cluster* territory. Nobody will be able to reach 10 wins overall and only Duke is currently guaranteed a below .500 conference record. More odd still is the fact that with two games to play for everyone, no one is ineligible for a bowl game yet. At least the conference should meet its bowl obligations given both Clemson and Virginia need just one win between them to become the ninth team from the ACC.

[SirFozzie]

Hey, if BC makes the ACC title game and wins, they'll have 10 wins :P :D

[sterlingice]

So I turn the computer off to play some Fallout 3, I come back, and Troy's gone from a three-score lead over LSU to the walking dead. Wow.

So it's your fault, then ;)

SI

[Vegas Vic]

I'm watching the final televised game of the night, UCLA at Washington on Fox Sports Pacific. Needless to say, the Washington fans didn't give Rick Neuheisel a warm reception after his first visit up there since being fired in 2003 for betting on the NCAA basketball tournament in a bracket pool.

UCLA is up 17-7 midway through the 3rd quarter, and they're hanging on by the skin of their teeth for bowl eligibility this season.

[Chief Rum]

I'm watching the final televised game of the night, UCLA at Washington on Fox Sports Pacific. Needless to say, the Washington fans didn't give Rick Neuheisel a warm reception after his first visit up there since being fired in 2003 for betting on the NCAA basketball tournament in a bracket pool.

UCLA is up 17-7 midway through the 3rd quarter, and they're hanging on by the skin of their teeth for bowl eligibility this season.

Well, bowl eligibility would require a win over USC, so while it technically is still possible, it really isn't. Yuck.

[RedKingGold]

Yup, Les Miles is certainly headed for Coker-land.

:rolleyes:

[miked]

Maryland wins! Miami now controls their own destiny. They win their final two games and they're in the title game.

Next Thursday they're at Georgia Tech and I'll be there.

I'll be there too rooting hard against the "U", and I have a friend who went there coming to town. I'll be "tailgating" in my parking deck because it's the easiest thing to do.

[Tigercat]

Yup, Les Miles is certainly headed for Coker-land.

:rolleyes:

Yea, what an absurd possibility. Miles has a worse win percentage at this point in his LSU career than Coker had at this point as a Miami head coach. Very strange that you are so flabbergasted over a noncontroversial "might be" statement. I imagine if someone came out and said Miles IS Coker you would really blow a gasket.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yup, Les Miles is certainly headed for Coker-land.
:rolleyes:

I don't see anything out of the realm of possibility in that notion. He needed a miracle comeback to beat Troy at home, he's as close to the middle of the conference pack than to the top, and he's allowed at least one glaring weakness to develop in his team.

I might say he's a better candidate to be the next Phat Phil (minus the long heritage) thank Coker, but two more years (or less) like this one & there will be people looking for his scalp so I really don't how this is particularly hard to fathom.

[RedKingGold]

I guess I just underestimate the stupidity of the average rabid college football fan.

Less than a year ago, LSU fans were literally begging Miles not to leave. Nine games later, we're already starting the countdown to the end of his term.

Say what you will abut Penn State, but I'm glad they stuck with their current system for all these years despite great criticism against it.

[st.cronin]

SEC fans, in particular, are not known for being rational.

[JonInMiddleGA]

we're already starting the countdown to the end of his term.

That countdown begins the day a coach is hired.
Welcome to Hollywood.

[Tigercat]

I guess I just underestimate the stupidity of the average rabid college football fan.

Less than a year ago, LSU fans were literally begging Miles not to leave. Nine games later, we're already starting the countdown to the end of his term.

Say what you will abut Penn State, but I'm glad they stuck with their current system for all these years despite great criticism against it.

Eh? No large amount of LSU fans are calling for Mile's head. Sure there are a few idiots that exist everywhere. But damn, Miles could be the next Coker, he could be the next Bobby Bowden. Because he won the national championship one shouldn't admit to oneself that a horrible major decision he made could be a major issue? And to wonder if it will be or won't be indicative of Mile's future?

I think the only stupidity is you being overly combative over a "perhaps" statement.

[RedKingGold]

That countdown begins the day a coach is hired.
Welcome to Hollywood.

Hey, not disagreeing. I just think it's dumb and part of the college football human condition. Doesn't mean I can't rail against it or disagree with it.

Eh? No large amount of LSU fans are calling for Mile's head. Sure there are a few idiots that exist everywhere. But damn, Miles could be the next Coker, he could be the next Bobby Bowden. Because he won the national championship one shouldn't admit to oneself that a horrible major decision he made could be a major issue? And to wonder if it will be or won't be indicative of Mile's future?

I think the only stupidity is you being overly combative over a "perhaps" statement.

Way to back away from stronger statements made earlier in the thread there, chief.

[Swaggs]

I know it is beyond the realm of reality, but it would be interesting to see if LSU would let Miles go to Michigan and Michigan would let Rodriguez go to Clemson.

[General Mike]

Greg Robinson error is over at 'Cuse.

[Tigercat]

Way to back away from stronger statements made earlier in the thread there, chief.

You fail at reading comprehension. Emphasis bolded.

Will Les Miles = Larry Coker? I think Les Miles has/had more potential as a head coach than that, but he has made an AWFUL, AWFUL decision at defensive coordinator and didn't do a better job to ensure that he had a QB that would be ready to be at least not horrible. With good coordinators that can be very detail oriented, I think Miles could be a great coach. The problem is it is up to a head coach to hire coordinators, and he laid a huge egg by promoting two clueless coaches from within.

Yea, I made real strong statements about how aweful Les Miles is and how he definitely is/will be Larry Coker.

I wondered outloud if its not possible if Les Miles would not be Larry Coker redux. I am actually a big Les Miles fan, even if I am a huge opponent of one of his decisions, and worry about its ramifications. But you paid no attention to that and basically call me an idiot fan with a pitchfork.

[DeToxRox]

A better comparison for Les is Lloyd Carr.

He won his NC and after that gave Michigan very consistent teams, but never really got us over the hump. He was too loyal to his own coaches, and it cost some of his teams in the end.

[Tigercat]

A better comparison for Les is Lloyd Carr.

He won his NC and after that gave Michigan very consistent teams, but never really got us over the hump. He was too loyal to his own coaches, and it cost some of his teams in the end.

The Coker comparison was actually started by rival SEC fans before this season, because like Coker Miles inherited a team that had won a national title recently (something Carr didn't inherit), and went on to win another under the perception of some rivals that it was done because of the program built by his predecessor. The big difference being that Miles did it in his third year, not his first. So there was clearly a bigger Miles stamp on that team. How accurate that comparison will be will depend on if LSU improves next year.

In related news, there is talk from behind the scenes that the Co-DCs are on Miles's hot seat.

[Crim]

Ugh. Wabash got creamed in the oldest rivalry west of the Alleghenies, the Monon Bell Classic. We threw three second quarter picks and were behind 23-0 at halftime. We finally scored in the second half, but Depauw took the bell back to Greencastle with a 36-14 victory.

Tomorrow we'll find out if the loss cost us a home playoff game.

I just want to say that I've never heard of any of the bolded words above, and have only heard "Wabash" in reference to a street here in town, and the song, "The Wabash Cannonball", which I believe refers to a rollercoaster.

That is all.

[Crim]

Got to say, there's something sweet about Spurrier getting 56 posted against him since few coaches used and abused on a yearly basis creme puff teams.

I am a huge Gator fan, and have a special place in my heart for Spurrier for all he did for our program.

That said, I've always understood exactly why he garnered so much hatred from opposing fans.

I was talking about this exact subject yesterday in the waning moments of the game with my step father. I wonder how it feels for him to me on the shit end of the stick in a game like this.

Even when Florida would lose badly during his time there, he always seemed kind of bemused by it, knowing that it was only a matter of time until redemption, usually the following week, or at most the next year.

Now, though, the prospects of blowing the doors off an opponent to make himself feel better are slim indeed.

[RedKingGold]

You fail at reading comprehension. Emphasis bolded.



Yea, I made real strong statements about how aweful Les Miles is and how he definitely is/will be Larry Coker.

I wondered outloud if its not possible if Les Miles would not be Larry Coker redux. I am actually a big Les Miles fan, even if I am a huge opponent of one of his decisions, and worry about its ramifications. But you paid no attention to that and basically call me an idiot fan with a pitchfork.

Thanks for bolding the words which support your argument while un-emphasizing AWFUL AWFUL decision and TWO CLUELESS COORDINATORS.

I'll grant that you know much more about LSU football than I, but I think it's a little bit hasty to throw coordinators under the bus after a few games with an untested quarterback surrounding cast.

Of course, I just guess that's the MO of the SEC.

WE LOST TWO GAME COORDINATORS SUCK FIRE EM'

[RedKingGold]

The Coker comparison was actually started by rival SEC fans before this season, because like Coker Miles inherited a team that had won a national title recently (something Carr didn't inherit), and went on to win another under the perception of some rivals that it was done because of the program built by his predecessor. The big difference being that Miles did it in his third year, not his first. So there was clearly a bigger Miles stamp on that team. How accurate that comparison will be will depend on if LSU improves next year.

In related news, there is talk from behind the scenes that the Co-DCs are on Miles's hot seat.

So, you bring up the Coker comparison in the first place, then shoot it down with later comments.

Mmmhmm.

[Tigercat]

So, you bring up the Coker comparison in the first place, then shoot it down with later comments.

Mmmhmm.

I reserve the right to be thoughtful and open minded. :p

[Butter]

At least the conference should meet its bowl obligations given both Clemson and Virginia need just one win between them to become the ninth team from the ACC.

I believe Clemson has to win both of their final 2 games, because they beat 2 I-AA schools, and only one of those wins counts towards bowl eligibility. If (and that's a big If) they can beat Virginia next week, that makes the final game against South Carolina pretty damn big.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ho-hum. Another Big 12 North championship and with a win next week against Kansas, a mediocre 10-2 record in the regular season. May the Tigers be cursed with such terrible seasons for years to come.

BTW, obviously Mizzou plays Texas Tech in the B12 Championship if they beat OU. What are the possibilities if Tech loses as far as tiebreakers?

[Logan]

I'm not sure if this falls under general lack of knowledge or just lazy writing. From Mark Schlabach's College Gameday Final column on ESPN.com:

"One of the best coaching jobs in the country has gone largely unnoticed. Rutgers lost five of its first six games, but has somehow rebounded to win four games in a row, including a 49-16 rout at South Florida on Saturday. If the Scarlet Knights beat Army and Louisville to finish 7-5, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano will have to get serious consideration for jobs at larger schools."

I don't know what sort of schools would qualify, maybe Miami and Michigan?

[Dr. Sak]

I'm not sure if this falls under general lack of knowledge or just lazy writing. From Mark Schlabach's College Gameday Final column on ESPN.com:

"One of the best coaching jobs in the country has gone largely unnoticed. Rutgers lost five of its first six games, but has somehow rebounded to win four games in a row, including a 49-16 rout at South Florida on Saturday. If the Scarlet Knights beat Army and Louisville to finish 7-5, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano will have to get serious consideration for jobs at larger schools."

I don't know what sort of schools would qualify, maybe Miami and Michigan?

I'd chalk it up to lazy writing. One time I got into a pissing match over email with him because he blatantly stole an article word for word on my blog without giving any credit to me. When I called him out on it he said he got the quotes from another site, and when I went there it cited my blog as where they got it from. When I brought that up, he never responded.

He's a SEC hack pretty much and doesn't look at the world outside the SEC.

[Vegas Vic]

BTW, obviously Mizzou plays Texas Tech in the B12 Championship if they beat OU. What are the possibilities if Tech loses as far as tiebreakers?

1. OU beats TT:

a. If OU, TT and Texas then win their last game, all 3 will have 7-1 conference records, and the team with the highest BCS ranking will go to the championship game.

b. If OU loses to OSU, then Texas Tech goes to the Big XII Championship game, unless they lose to Baylor AND Texas beats Texas A&M. In that case, Texas would go.

2. Texas Tech beats OU:

They go to the Big XII Championship game, regardless of what they do against Baylor.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Thanks, Vic.

[Logan]

I'd chalk it up to lazy writing. One time I got into a pissing match over email with him because he blatantly stole an article word for word on my blog without giving any credit to me. When I called him out on it he said he got the quotes from another site, and when I went there it cited my blog as where they got it from. When I brought that up, he never responded.

He's a SEC hack pretty much and doesn't look at the world outside the SEC.

Not surprised. Now I have more of a reason to dislike him.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just heard that Pinkel is no longer a consideration for the Washington head coaching position. He will sign a big contract extension with Mizzou likely before the bowl game.

[Logan]

Which will mean precisely....dick.

(Not a shot at Mizz or Pinkel, just reality in the CFB world)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Which will mean precisely....dick.

(Not a shot at Mizz or Pinkel, just reality in the CFB world)

He was among the main candidates being considered. As a Mizzou fan, awfully glad to hear that he's not going anywhere.

[CU Tiger]

I believe Clemson has to win both of their final 2 games, because they beat 2 I-AA schools, and only one of those wins counts towards bowl eligibility. If (and that's a big If) they can beat Virginia next week, that makes the final game against South Carolina pretty damn big.

that is correct

[Matthean]

I'm not sure if this falls under general lack of knowledge or just lazy writing. From Mark Schlabach's College Gameday Final column on ESPN.com:

"One of the best coaching jobs in the country has gone largely unnoticed. Rutgers lost five of its first six games, but has somehow rebounded to win four games in a row, including a 49-16 rout at South Florida on Saturday. If the Scarlet Knights beat Army and Louisville to finish 7-5, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano will have to get serious consideration for jobs at larger schools."

I don't know what sort of schools would qualify, maybe Miami and Michigan?

How good of a coaching job was he doing when they were 1-5? Miami is still too young to really dump a coach this early. As bas as RR had it this year in Michigan, you don't fire a coach after one season unless the law was involved.

[JonInMiddleGA]

you don't fire a coach after one season unless the law was involved.

Or if the coach has a mullet.

[Crim]

How good of a coaching job was he doing when they were 1-5? Miami is still too young to really dump a coach this early. As bas as RR had it this year in Michigan, you don't fire a coach after one season unless the law was involved.

Logan was cleverly referring to the fact that Schiano was contacted by both of those schools, and chose to stay at Rutgers. Meanwhile the lazy and/or ignorant sportswriter seems unaware that he had gotten any attention from, umm, larger schools.