WTF? no thread about the star trek trailer

[MJ4H]

Trailer for the new Star Trek movie out today.

I'm pumped?

Who is JJ Abrams is he any good?

http://www.startrekmovie.com/

[ISiddiqui]

Who is JJ Abrams, LOL!

[Alan T]

Trailer for the new Star Trek movie out today.

I'm pumped?

Who is JJ Abrams is he any good?

http://www.startrekmovie.com/


Abrams wrote the series Lost that I like alot, Fringe which I am kind of getting into and the movie Armageddon among other things.

[Buccaneer]

Who is JJ Abrams, LOL!

Arkansas people are about 20 years behind.

[MJ4H]

Who is JJ Abrams, LOL!

(at least one person realized it was a joke--I hope)

[DaddyTorgo]

i watched it this weekend, but i'm not sure how i feel about it yet

[MJ4H]

So anyway, trailer 2 looked pretty fun. This looks to be a pretty radical departure from the typical Star Trek movie, but I guess that was to be expected with this director.

[DaddyTorgo]

VERY radical departure, and i'm not really sure how i feel about it

[ISiddiqui]

(at least one person realized it was a joke--I hope)

Uh... no... I was mocking you, sorry.

[MJ4H]

Uh... no... I was mocking you, sorry.

heh it's ok. I know who JJ Abrams is. I am just hoping to overlook who he is for this movie. That was kind of the idea.

[Warhammer]

Wow, this could be extremely cool, or finally bury the franchise.

[Bad-example]

Wow, this could be extremely cool, or finally bury the franchise.

LOL @ "bury the franchise". Worst case scenario, the movie bombs and they wait a few years before they try another movie or tv show.

[SFL Cat]

The dude who plays Sylar in Heroes looks like he'll be a decent Spock. Don't know if anyone can replace the Shat as Kirk, though.

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL @ "bury the franchise". Worst case scenario, the movie bombs and they wait a few years before they try another movie or tv show.

I WANT A MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE 9 MOVIE!!!!

but I know I'll eternally be dissapointed.

[SFL Cat]

I WANT A MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE 9 MOVIE!!!!

but I know I'll eternally be dissapointed.

Yep.

[samifan24]

DS9 was awesome. It never got the respect it deserved.

[sabotai]

So anyway, trailer 2 looked pretty fun. This looks to be a pretty radical departure from the typical Star Trek movie, but I guess that was to be expected with this director.

Despite all of the movies, the TV series and the lore/history that has been built up since it was created, as someone who has been a Trek nerd (but not so much that I dress up, but I did learn some Klingon that I no longer remember in my younger days), I would not be opposed to a total revision and reboot of the whole damn thing.

I know (think) that this movie is just a different style of movie and it's meant to not be a reboot of the Star Trek universe, I'm just saying I wouldn't mind it. After 3 TNG movies that were pretty much all the same (Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis - First Contact being the only one that was a bit different), it's time for something fresh.

And DS9 is my favorite overall season. My favorite episodes come from TNG, but TNG also had a LOT of terrible episodes as well. DS9 was solid overall.

[Cringer]

I thought a Star Trek movie thread would get destroyed by the ESPNBorg thread, otherwise I would have started it myself.

[DanGarion]

Mark my words this will be an awesome movie.

[gstelmack]

Is this an odd or an even one?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Is this an odd or an even one?

Are we talking about Bret Saberhagen or Star Trek?????

[Celeval]

I'm not a Star Trek fan so much - no problem with it, but I haven't seen all the movies, most of the shows, etc... that said, this definitely piques my interest.

[ISiddiqui]

Same here... and if it was just the same as the other movies, probably wouldn't have even bothered to think about seeing it.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm...not sure what I think about this.

[Young Drachma]

I WANT A MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE 9 MOVIE!!!!

but I know I'll eternally be dissapointed.

+1

[Young Drachma]

Wow. I just watched those trailers and I have to say, I'm impressed at this "well if it worked for Star Wars to go back to the beginning, we might as well do it too..." model here. I love the angle and can't wait for the movie. But yeah, I'd still rather 100% a DSN movie.

[Logan]

This should be merged with the Second Life thread.

[RomaGoth]

I WANT A MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE 9 MOVIE!!!!

but I know I'll eternally be dissapointed.

I would also like a DS9 movie. I was pissed when the show was canceled. The plot in DS9 was the best of all the Star Trek content. Cisco was a badass, and Dax was hawt....

[RomaGoth]

Dola

Just watched the trailers. I am most definitely interested.

[DaddyTorgo]

I picked up a bunch of DS9 novels (including the 2 big "Relaunch" novels) earlier. Read the 3-book trilogy about the Occupation of Bajor the past couple weeks on the train. It definately really succeeded in...making the occupation seem more "real" even if it did suffer from some "mass market papberbackitis"

looking forward to the 2 big thick relaunch novels/collections though. Although without the Emissary and Jadzia I might find it hard to think of it as DS9.

[Alan T]

I don't think I ever watched any of the star trek spin-offs like DS9 or whatever else. I am not sure if I saw all of the movies that have been out either. This one looks like it might be worth seeing though.

[lordscarlet]

I have not seen a single TNG movie. I watched the original (off and on in syndication as a kid), TNG, some of DS9 (maybe 2 or 3 seasons?), and Enterprise. I think I only saw a couple of the original cast movies.

This movie is intriguing me so far.

[DaddyTorgo]

that being said - who else laughed themselves half to death during Big Bang Theory last night with "Rocks-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock" and the discussion of whether ST:V or ST:I was worse?

Leonard: "While it is true that Star Trek 5 had notable failures in several key areas, Star Trek 1 failed across the board. Lighting, script, costumes, set design, special effects."

and later

Leonard: "Will you at least admit that Star Trek IV was far and away the best?"

Kuthrapali: "I have three words for you: WRATH...OF...KHAN!"

[BrianD]

that being said - who else laughed themselves half to death during Big Bang Theory last night with "Rocks-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock" and the discussion of whether ST:V or ST:I was worse?

Leonard: "While it is true that Star Trek 5 had notable failures in several key areas, Star Trek 1 failed across the board. Lighting, script, costumes, set design, special effects."

and later

Leonard: "Will you at least admit that Star Trek IV was far and away the best?"

Kuthrapali: "I have three words for you: WRATH...OF...KHAN!"

I laughed myself half to death at this. Part of it was due to the fact that I have been a part of other Rock-Paper-Scissors extensions to 5 items, and partly because they all chose Spock all the time. The shot at George Lucas was great too.

[Bonegavel]

As usual, I'm a fucking dumbass. I clicked on the trailer and it's the same damn one that was out before... I had clicked on trailer 1. D'oh!

[Bonegavel]

Dola, I don't usually drool over men, but I <3 JJA.

[samifan24]

I have not seen a single TNG movie.

First Contact is far and away the best TNG movie.

[DaddyTorgo]

First Contact is far and away the best TNG movie.

Agreed.

[DaddyTorgo]

That said, they could do a DS9 movie that was an hour and a half of Quark doing beetle-snuff and 30 minutes of shots of the station and I'd enjoy it more.

[Kodos]

Holy crap does that look good.

[EagleFan]

Mark my words this will be an awesome movie.

As long as you lower your standards drastically...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting article about travel to Mars. It appears that engineers are looking at a Star Trek inspired design to design a future spacecraft.......

SPACE.com -- Star Trek's Deflector Shield Envisioned for Mars Mission (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/081119-tw-magnetic-shield.html)

[sterlingice]

I WANT A MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE 9 MOVIE!!!!

but I know I'll eternally be dissapointed.

To be fair, DS9 did a good job wrapping everything up with the closing 9/10-parter (with a few exceptions). It was also the show I most missed when it was done. But it ended about the right time.

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

To be fair, DS9 did a good job wrapping everything up with the closing 9/10-parter (with a few exceptions). It was also the show I most missed when it was done. But it ended about the right time.

SI

I agree. I am not sure if it would have continued at such a high level of quality. I think it started to slip a bit when they got the new Dax. That just never worked for me.

The last few seasons were fantastic though. Just so many great characters on that show.

[Thomkal]

I still prefer TNG over DS9. DS9 benefitted from the growing process TNG went through early on, and I just liked the concept of being on a starship more than I did a starbase.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I still prefer TNG over DS9. DS9 benefitted from the growing process TNG went through early on, and I just liked the concept of being on a starship more than I did a starbase.

I think overall TNG was better, but it never quite reached the level of consistency in quality that DS9 managed.

The first season of TNG is unbearably awful. The 7th (last) season was really, really bad save the finale and maybe one or two other episodes. The rest of the seasons were pretty good, but there was awlays a few absolute stinkers in each season.

DS9 started pretty weak, but once the whole war thing started and Worf came on board the show really picked up. The writers really started taking advantage of having the show set on a starbase. Instead of just a bunch of one-off epiosdes, they built a long, over arching story arc into the show. It worked really well.

[Neon_Chaos]

All this space talk has got me riled up for the final episodes of BSG!

[sterlingice]

DS9 started pretty weak, but once the whole war thing started and Worf came on board the show really picked up. The writers really started taking advantage of having the show set on a starbase. Instead of just a bunch of one-off epiosdes, they built a long, over arching story arc into the show. It worked really well.

Yeah, the first two seasons of DS9 were quite weak. But after that, it was good building to excellent.

SI

[Bad-example]

Yeah, the first two seasons of DS9 were quite weak. But after that, it was good building to excellent.

SI

I would go so far as to say the show was pretty weak until the end. The strong final season causes some people to remember DS9 as being better than it really was.

Voyager was better written and more consistent, plus Janeway had the balls that Cisco was lacking. DS9 had the stronger cast but Voyager was the superior program.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I would go so far as to say the show was pretty weak until the end. The strong final season causes some people to remember DS9 as being better than it really was.

Voyager was better written and more consistent, plus Janeway had the balls that Cisco was lacking. DS9 had the stronger cast but Voyager was the superior program.

I cant comment on Voyager. I stopped watching the show in the middle of the first season. I thought it was pretty awful. Mayhaps it turned itself around and became decent.

The only thing I recall from the later seasons was the presence 7 of 9 Titties and some evil CGI alien insect monsters that were apparently enemies of the Borg or something.

[samifan24]

Voyager was better written and more consistent, plus Janeway had the balls that Sisco was lacking. DS9 had the stronger cast but Voyager was the superior program.

:eek: Wow, you're the only Trekkie that I've ever heard choose Voyager over DS9. I didn't watch Voyager religiously like I did DS9 but I've always felt that the consensus was that DS9 was a much better show, especially since I considered Sisco to be a much more interesting protagonist than Janeway.

[sabotai]

I cant comment on Voyager. I stopped watching the show in the middle of the first season. I thought it was pretty awful. Mayhaps it turned itself around and became decent.

I watched all of Voyager and don't think it comes close to DS9 and didn't like it as much as TNG either. I would say the plots they came up with were interesting (like the Borg vs. Species 8472), but they always managed to drop the ball when it came to executing and developing them.

And I'm not sure I even saw the last season or two of DS9.

[DaddyTorgo]

Voyager actually lost me when they brought Jeri Ryan in to play 7 of 9 and the female executive producer (what's her name...damn) on, and the whole show turned into the "Janeway + 7 kickass power hour". I could do without the overt, in-your-face female-empowerment message thanks a lot.

I disagree with sterlingice and bad-example, and challenge them - bat'leth's at dawn! DS9 was absolutely not weak until the finale. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that although Seasons 1 & 2 may not have been the strongest, I could still name as many good episodes as outright stinkers from both of them.

What I do agree with though is that on first-viewing they may not have seemed as strong, but when I bought all the DVD's and went back and watched them, I found episodes that I enjoyed much more the second time around, because of the attachments I later developed for the characters, and the added level of complexity it brought to each of them, and to the universe as a whole. In particular, after watching Seasons 6+7 and the whole "Dukat on Bajor in disguise manipulating the Kai" thing - going back and rewatching the Season 1+2 religious and Bajor-centric episodes is much more interesting and powerful.

[sterlingice]

:eek: Wow, you're the only Trekkie that I've ever heard choose Voyager over DS9. I didn't watch Voyager religiously like I did DS9 but I've always felt that the consensus was that DS9 was a much better show, especially since I considered Sisco to be a much more interesting protagonist than Janeway.

There are some of those out there. In particular, if you ask people who prefer TNG best, they prefer Voyager to DS9 and, in some cases, it's a little deeper than "they're on a ship, not stuck in place" (seriously, tho, that's about 80% of what I hear from the Voyager over DS9 crowd).

The entire ensemble cast of DS9, led by Avery Brooks, was head and shoulders among their counterparts on Voyager. Go down the line, one against the other and you'll see DS9 better at almost all points. Sisco vs Janeway, no contest. Kira vs Chakotay , no contest. Dax vs whoever-is-third, Tom Paris or whatever on DS9? Yeah. You see a pattern? And the bench is that much deeper on DS9 when you start getting into O'Brien and Worf borrowed from TNG. I think the only places where you can consider an advantage to Voyager or even close is at Doctor but I think that sells Bashir short a little.

SI

[sterlingice]

I would go so far as to say the show was pretty weak until the end. The strong final season causes some people to remember DS9 as being better than it really was.

Voyager was better written and more consistent, plus Janeway had the balls that Cisco was lacking. DS9 had the stronger cast but Voyager was the superior program.

I disagree with sterlingice and bad-example, and challenge them - bat'leth's at dawn! DS9 was absolutely not weak until the finale. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that although Seasons 1 & 2 may not have been the strongest, I could still name as many good episodes as outright stinkers from both of them.

What I do agree with though is that on first-viewing they may not have seemed as strong, but when I bought all the DVD's and went back and watched them, I found episodes that I enjoyed much more the second time around, because of the attachments I later developed for the characters, and the added level of complexity it brought to each of them, and to the universe as a whole. In particular, after watching Seasons 6+7 and the whole "Dukat on Bajor in disguise manipulating the Kai" thing - going back and rewatching the Season 1+2 religious and Bajor-centric episodes is much more interesting and powerful.

Hey, hey. I'm getting words put into my mouth from both sides now. Actually, DT, I agree almost 100% with you. I think that as soon as they started talking Dominion to open the third season, followed up closely by war- the show really got going. I joke with my wife, as soon as Avery Brooks's hair migrated from his head to his chin, that's when the show took off.

Also, agreed- the Bajoran religion aspect was the thing most short changed by the final season of DS9. Instead of so many filler episodes, trying to get the cast "used to Ezri", they should have gone after the Emissary-Dukat angle. The closing 10-parter barely touched on it until the final 10 minutes, after the finale of everything else and "goodbye to the cast"- I've always felt as if they just went "oh, crap, we forgot to tie this up" after filiming the episode and just tacked something onto the end.

Back to the point at hand, Voyager was garbage, mostly. There were some good episodes- I remember the two parter where they found 7 of 9 (iirc, it was a one night 2-hour event on UPN originally when I saw it)- that was very good. Still, TNG has probably the most solid single episodes, DS9 a great overall arc, and Voyager, well, not good across the board. We won't even talk about Enterprise, which was something with so much promise, as a concept, yet mangled from the start :(

FYI, some background info: I went back and rewatched the entire show with my wife from start to finish about 2 years ago when Spike got the rights so it's a little fresher in my memory than some shows.

[Bad-example]

Voyager actually lost me when they brought Jeri Ryan in to play 7 of 9 and the female executive producer (what's her name...damn) on, and the whole show turned into the "Janeway + 7 kickass power hour". I could do without the overt, in-your-face female-empowerment message thanks a lot.

LOL...some of us men are not scared or put off by strong female characters.

[Bad-example]

The entire ensemble cast of DS9, led by Avery Brooks, was head and shoulders among their counterparts on Voyager. Go down the line, one against the other and you'll see DS9 better at almost all points. Sisco vs Janeway, no contest.

Wow. Avery Brooks was terrible. He is a bad actor that was a liability on DS9. Rumor was they considered replacing him early on. Wish they had.

Otherwise, the DS9 cast was better than Voyager. It was the superior writing that made Voyager the better show.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow. Avery Brooks was terrible. He is a bad actor that was a liability on DS9. Rumor was they considered replacing him early on. Wish they had.

Otherwise, the DS9 cast was better than Voyager. It was the superior writing that made Voyager the better show.


...wow.

-1

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL...some of us men are not scared or put off by strong female characters.

ummm nowhere did i say i was scared by it - i just didn't enjoy the way that the show became 99.9% about them and 0.1% about Paris + B'elana

...wow.

-1

yeah, seriously. Avery Brooks is a terrible actor? :confused::confused:

[Groundhog]

Only episode of Voyager I remember watching is one that involved clones, and then at the end they were fleeing from some planet explosion or something and it was revealed that the crew we'd been watching were the actual clones. Or something. I remember liking the episode however.

IMO, the only Star Trek series that I'd watch right now if it was on would be the original. I'm a sucker for that early sci-fi stuff, but much less so the soap opera of TNG. I never gave Voyager or DS:9 much of a shot.

[Bad-example]

i just didn't enjoy the way that the show became 99.9% about them and 0.1% about Paris + B'elana

Your lips move, but I can't hear what you say. Probably because that was never the case. The show regularly rotated the focus between the main characters.

Surprised that anyone would defend Brooks' acting. He sure hasn't been working since.

[RendeR]

From Wiki:

Latest projects

Brooks was part of a directors panel at a festival celebrating the work of Ntozake Shange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntozake_Shange) at the New Federal Theatre (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Federal_Theatre&action=edit&redlink=1) on February 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_11), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007). Brooks has directed Shange's Boogie Woogie Landscapes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boogie_Woogie_Landscapes&action=edit&redlink=1) at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Center_for_the_Performing_Arts) and in London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London)'s West End (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_End_theatre).<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-8)</sup>
In 2006, Trekweb and TrekToday announced that Avery Brooks would take a role in the upcoming film John Rambo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rambo_%28film%29). Brooks himself later said this was not the case. He said "I've met Mr. Stallone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Stallone), many years ago — I have great respect for Mr. Stallone, always did. However, Rambo is not in my future".<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-9)</sup>
In March 2007, it was confirmed that Brooks would appear in a new production of Christopher Marlowe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Marlowe)'s play Tamburlaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamburlaine_%28play%29).<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-10)</sup>
As part of BBC Audiobooks America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_America)'s entry into the US market, Brooks narrated an audiobook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiobook) of Alex Haley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Haley)'s novel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel) Roots: The Saga of an American Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots:_The_Saga_of_an_American_Family). It is the first time the novel has received an audio adaptation. Brooks himself had starred in the 1988 television film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_film) based on the book, Roots: The Gift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots:_The_Gift).<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference">[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-11)</sup>
Brooks has also completed work on his long-awaited CD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD). It contains "a selection of ballads and love songs... I speak of my respect for my father, and for artists that I have listened to all my life."<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference">[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-12)</sup>
In August 2008, it was announced that Brooks will play Willie Loman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Loman) in a new production of Arthur Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Miller)'s Death of a Salesman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_Salesman).<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference">[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-13)</sup>
Brooks also periodically attends Star Trek conventions around the world.




I laughed at the willie loman part at first because its a long running joke that washed up actors go play dinner theater versions of "death of a salesman" but even so, it takes far more talent to act on stage anywhere than it does to do television.


brooks as a commanding officer role in a star trek series was far better than the janeway cahracter. he had more depth he had far more stature with his compatriots in DS9. His acting was exactly what it needed to be for that role, no more, no less. Which is far more than can be said of janeway. Mulgrew's character was revamped numerous times during the writing of the show over its lifetime.

[RendeR]

DOLA: and I'll defend the good dr bashir, I feel he was at least a real character. The doctor on Voyager was a cop out gimik thrown in to allow them to do a lot of weak episodes. Just as every series other than the original had a weakness for the following, Voyager made by far the worst excuses for doing so and did them far more often than any other series:

Time travel
Holodeck scenarios
filler episodes that add little to the overall storyline and do less to flesh out a real character.

They all did this to some extent (even the original with time travel) but Voyager was written like a death row inmates final requests. "Lets do an episode like this, ok now this, ok lets rip off an episode from that version and twist it with one from another version, ok no time travel, now the borg, ok time travel solves this one too....

It was a long string of the most cliche'd episode styles from all three previous series. While sometimes they were decently done, as a whole the Voyager series was just a lame duck to carry on a dying franchise.

Hopefully the new movie will open up a new veue for the entire genre.

[DaddyTorgo]

DETAILS ON THE AVERY BROOKS CD MOTHERFUCKER!!! I NEED TO GET MY HANDS ON THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW!!!

[RendeR]

Ok ease off the wild turkey there DT. He's a good actor, his singing skills are yet to be determined ;)

[samifan24]

Wow. Avery Brooks was terrible. He is a bad actor that was a liability on DS9.

Have you seen the episodes "Far Beyond the Stars" and "In the Pale Moonlight?" They were both great episodes and Avery Brooks was outstanding in both of them.

[DaddyTorgo]

Ok ease off the wild turkey there DT. He's a good actor, his singing skills are yet to be determined ;)

doesn't matter. i must have it anyways.

[Bad-example]

Have you seen the episodes "Far Beyond the Stars" and "In the Pale Moonlight?" They were both great episodes and Avery Brooks was outstanding in both of them.

Well, I have seen all of them. I wouldn't say Brooks was awful all the time. But most episodes had at least one cringe-worthy moment. Maybe it is one of those things that you have to be really focusing on the actor to realize how bad he is. Maybe it is just different opinions. Shrug.

[Bad-example]

From Wiki:

Latest projects

Brooks was part of a directors panel at a festival celebrating the work of Ntozake Shange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntozake_Shange) at the New Federal Theatre (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Federal_Theatre&action=edit&redlink=1) on February 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_11), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007). Brooks has directed Shange's Boogie Woogie Landscapes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boogie_Woogie_Landscapes&action=edit&redlink=1) at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Center_for_the_Performing_Arts) and in London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London)'s West End (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_End_theatre).<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-8)</sup>
In 2006, Trekweb and TrekToday announced that Avery Brooks would take a role in the upcoming film John Rambo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rambo_%28film%29). Brooks himself later said this was not the case. He said "I've met Mr. Stallone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Stallone), many years ago — I have great respect for Mr. Stallone, always did. However, Rambo is not in my future".<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-9)</sup>
In March 2007, it was confirmed that Brooks would appear in a new production of Christopher Marlowe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Marlowe)'s play Tamburlaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamburlaine_%28play%29).<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-10)</sup>
As part of BBC Audiobooks America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_America)'s entry into the US market, Brooks narrated an audiobook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiobook) of Alex Haley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Haley)'s novel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel) Roots: The Saga of an American Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots:_The_Saga_of_an_American_Family). It is the first time the novel has received an audio adaptation. Brooks himself had starred in the 1988 television film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_film) based on the book, Roots: The Gift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots:_The_Gift).<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference">[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-11)</sup>
Brooks has also completed work on his long-awaited CD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD). It contains "a selection of ballads and love songs... I speak of my respect for my father, and for artists that I have listened to all my life."<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference">[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-12)</sup>
In August 2008, it was announced that Brooks will play Willie Loman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Loman) in a new production of Arthur Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Miller)'s Death of a Salesman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_Salesman).<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference">[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks#cite_note-13)</sup>
Brooks also periodically attends Star Trek conventions around the world.




I laughed at the willie loman part at first because its a long running joke that washed up actors go play dinner theater versions of "death of a salesman" but even so, it takes far more talent to act on stage anywhere than it does to do television.


brooks as a commanding officer role in a star trek series was far better than the janeway cahracter. he had more depth he had far more stature with his compatriots in DS9. His acting was exactly what it needed to be for that role, no more, no less. Which is far more than can be said of janeway. Mulgrew's character was revamped numerous times during the writing of the show over its lifetime.

Ah, I used IMDB and it showed him not working. Should have used the wiki. I would say his overacting should serve him well on the stage. He is probably better there than on tv (I sure hope so).

I thought Kate Mulgrew was very good as Janeway. Regardless of any changes in her character they might have made, Mulgrew was always solid.

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Wow. Avery Brooks was terrible. He is a bad actor that was a liability on DS9. Rumor was they considered replacing him early on. Wish they had.

Otherwise, the DS9 cast was better than Voyager. It was the superior writing that made Voyager the better show.

I can almost see how someone would prefer Mulgrew to Brooks. Brooks overacted, which I thought was ok for the role (yeah, Shatner and Stewart were subtle with capital S), but I could see how someone would be put off by it.

But writing- I just don't see any way that the writing was at all better. The cast and dialogue were much better written- that's why we all think the cast is better. As for plot and show structure- DS9 was well serialized with a great large 5-season plot arc, and learned after the first two seasons that you rarely do certain types of plots because they just don't work with the show format. RendeR sums up Voyager best: "It was a long string of the most cliche'd episode styles from all three previous series". Now if you're good at single episodes, you have TNG where it's 2 or 3 good for every 1 decent or bad whereas Voyager was lots of episodic crap. Other sci-fi shows have done the episodic thing much better where it's kindof a hybrid with single episodes that introduce a character, character plot, plot device, etc that they are going to bring back later. But Voyager didn't do that either. They just had a lot of clunkers.

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But writing- I just don't see any way that the writing was at all better. The cast and dialogue were much better written- that's why we all think the cast is better. As for plot and show structure- DS9 was well serialized with a great large 5-season plot arc, and learned after the first two seasons that you rarely do certain types of plots because they just don't work with the show format. RendeR sums up Voyager best: "It was a long string of the most cliche'd episode styles from all three previous series". Now if you're good at single episodes, you have TNG where it's 2 or 3 good for every 1 decent or bad whereas Voyager was lots of episodic crap. Other sci-fi shows have done the episodic thing much better where it's kindof a hybrid with single episodes that introduce a character, character plot, plot device, etc that they are going to bring back later. But Voyager didn't do that either. They just had a lot of clunkers.

I will quote the great Captain Pike: "Beep! Beep!"

That's 2 beeps for "no". (Not "double yes")

Starting in the second season of Voyager they had a terriffic run of episodes. They continued their own series-long plot arc (the journey home) while producing some of the best-written shows of all the Trek series. I have seen all the Trek episodes more than once. Voyager had higher high points while both shows had about the same percent of "clunkers".

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I can almost see how someone would prefer Mulgrew to Brooks. Brooks overacted, which I thought was ok for the role (yeah, Shatner and Stewart were subtle with capital S), but I could see how someone would be put off by it.

One last thing about Brooks. He didn't just over act. He under acted too. In fact, he was all over the place. When he got emotional, sometimes I swear I thought he was about to burst into song. The scenes where he got angry or exasperated were the worst. It is like he didn't know what to do with his voice. He was just inconsistent and that made him terribly hard to watch. "Oh man, that was a bad reading" popped into my head pretty damn often, and I can't say that about ANY other Trek actor.

[DaddyTorgo]

I will quote the great Captain Pike: "Beep! Beep!"

That's 2 beeps for "no". (Not "double yes")

Starting in the second season of Voyager they had a terriffic run of episodes. They continued their own series-long plot arc (the journey home) while producing some of the best-written shows of all the Trek series. I have seen all the Trek episodes more than once. Voyager had higher high points while both shows had about the same percent of "clunkers".

One last thing about Brooks. He didn't just over act. He under acted too. In fact, he was all over the place. When he got emotional, sometimes I swear I thought he was about to burst into song. The scenes where he got angry or exasperated were the worst. It is like he didn't know what to do with his voice. He was just inconsistent and that made him terribly hard to watch. "Oh man, that was a bad reading" popped into my head pretty damn often, and I can't say that about ANY other Trek actor.

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