College Football Week 13 Thread

[Matthean]

Good lord.

Anyone know what the record margin for a top 5 or top 2 team to ever lose by?

I'm sure the stat people have time to look it up.

[Vegas Vic]

Chickenshit call by the official keeps a Texas Tech drive alive. That was a clean hit by Nic Harris.

[CU Tiger]

At what time do you turn the TV off in the name of decency?

[CU Tiger]

Ok this sis train wreck addicting.....I want 70

[Karlifornia]

How did OU lose to Texas? This team looks dominant. I want an Oklahoma/Florida title game.

[bignej]

How did OU lose to Texas? This team looks dominant. I want an Oklahoma/Florida title game.

I was think the same thing. That would be a perfect game.

[Galaril]

True dat. Really embarassing for the Irish.

As a third genration Irish fan I was hoping for this kind of lose being it hopefully will me Fat boy Weis get's shown the door after this season. Wow, he is a great example of why you need to check references before hiring someone. Totally unqualified for a head coach job period.

[Vegas Vic]

How did OU lose to Texas? This team looks dominant. I want an Oklahoma/Florida title game.

How did Florida lose to Mississippi?

Texas was the better team on Oct. 11.

[Matthean]

As a third genration Irish fan I was hoping for this kind of lose being it hopefully will me Fat boy Weis get's shown the door after this season. Wow, he is a great example of why you need to check references before hiring someone. Totally unqualified for a head coach job period.

Not happening. If you want to ask for his head next year after another year where quality wins are in short supply, and they will be since they hardly play anybody, knock yourself out. Resume also included Pats OC.

How did Florida lose to Mississippi?

Also 7-4, gave 'Bama a nice little run on the road and just beat up LSU 31-13. If you are going to drop a game to a team, at least Ole Miss. is respectable.

[tarcone]

Iowa spanks Minnesota in Minnesota, 55-0. Outback bowl here we come.

As for the national title game, I agree with the Oklahoma/Florida game. it may be 60-59. Man that has potentail to be a great one.
In fact if isnt OU/Florida, the BCS withh prove once again it doesnt work.

[Buccaneer]

I just told my son that there is a decent chance that the Championship Game could be Florida vs USC (his team). He couldn't believe it and started having an apoplexy at the excitement of it.

[Eaglesfan27]

I just told my son that there is a decent chance that the Championship Game could be Florida vs USC (his team). He couldn't believe it and started having an apoplexy at the excitement of it.

:D

I'm hoping it can still happen. I'll never have rooted for Missouri harder than I will be in a few weeks.

[bob]

As for the national title game, I agree with the Oklahoma/Florida game. it may be 60-59. Man that has potential to be a great one.

Probably won't be though. This year has been very disappointing to me - every big game fails to live up to the hype except for Texas - Texas Tech. I guess Texas - Oklahoma was good too, but lots of duds:

- Clemson / Bama
- Bama / UGA
- UGA / Florida
- TT / Ok. St
- TT / Ok

[cartman]

Even if Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, I don't see USC jumping over the 1 loss Big 12 team that doesn't play in the Big 12 title game. They have too much ground to make up in the computer polls.

[kcchief19]

From the Division II playoffs:

My favorite team, Seton Hill, lost in a blowout at California (PA) 48-7. I left a Seton Hill game early for the first time all season today. It was still a great year for SHU.

Also, West Texas A&M - famous for having just fired Ryan Leaf from their staff - scored 68 points in their playoff game today... and lost. They were defeated by Abilene Christian by a score of 93-68. I wish I had been able to see that game instead!
I read that score in the paper this morning ... Abilene Christian is up next for Northwest Missouri, which specializes in playing the most exciting and closest games in NCAA playoff history.

1,531 yards of offense for both teams. Abilene failed to score on one drive when they missed a field goal. Can you imagine putting up 721 yards of offense and losing by 25? There were 44 different school or NCAA records set in the game.

Wildcats down Buffales in record-setting fashion, 93-68 - ACUSports.com—Official Web Site of Abilene Christian Athletics (http://www.acusports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=40868&SPID=3615&DB_OEM_ID=8900&ATCLID=3621309)

Northwest Missouri coach Mel Tjeerdsma was asked about he score after the game: “Did they cut down the nets?

[RedKingGold]

I hadn't been following Villanova football that much (Villanova Stadium is within 1 mile of my apartment), but they apparently qualified for the I-AA playoffs this season (first time since 2002).

[Galaril]

Not happening. If you want to ask for his head next year after another year where quality wins are in short supply, and they will be since they hardly play anybody, knock yourself out. Resume also included Pats OC.


Also 7-4, gave 'Bama a nice little run on the road and just beat up LSU 31-13. If you are going to drop a game to a team, at least Ole Miss. is respectable.


Yes, I was aware of his Pats background and time will Parcels but big whooped fucking doo. That obviously doesn't mean that qualified him as a headcoach. I think the school maybe not this season but after next season to cut a deal with Charlie and buy him out of his contract's last seven years. Now, that is assuming they don't turn it around and go 10-2 next year (doubtful).

[bob]

Here's my question for Notre Dame fans - if Weis is out, who's in? Make a run at Urban Meyer again? Skip Holtz? Brian Kelly? Really, who do they go after?

[dawgfan]

LOL....The Apple Cup certainly lived up to it's "promise". WSU wins 16-13 in double OT, with neither team scoring a TD in either of their two possessions.

Was that UW's last game? If so, that ends the Willingham era. It's probably time for him to be an assistant or coordinator somewhere.
Unfortunately, no. We get to travel to Cal in a couple weeks to get slaughtered and complete the "perfect" season.

There is a special place in hell for Ty Willingham.

[molson]

A lot of particularly miserable football fans in the threads this weekend.

[terpkristin]

A lot of particularly miserable football fans in the threads this weekend.

I think I'd be a lot more miserable if I'd actually gone to the Maryland game yesterday. What a joke it was. Luckily, I had family obligations and got to sell my ticket.

/tm

[Matthean]

Here's my question for Notre Dame fans - if Weis is out, who's in? Make a run at Urban Meyer again? Skip Holtz? Brian Kelly? Really, who do they go after?

ND would be a significant downgrade to what Florida has as I think ND has bigger issues than just getting a quality coach. Holtz would be interesting and maybe the most likely. Since I've been tracking Kelly during his GVSU days and would have loved to see him to go U of M, I would be more than slightly worried about him going there. If he can't coach at U of M, he can coach at a number of other spots. ND just isn't one of them. :D

[Pumpy Tudors]

I read that score in the paper this morning ... Abilene Christian is up next for Northwest Missouri, which specializes in playing the most exciting and closest games in NCAA playoff history.

1,531 yards of offense for both teams. Abilene failed to score on one drive when they missed a field goal. Can you imagine putting up 721 yards of offense and losing by 25? There were 44 different school or NCAA records set in the game.

Wildcats down Buffales in record-setting fashion, 93-68 - ACUSports.com—Official Web Site of Abilene Christian Athletics (http://www.acusports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=40868&SPID=3615&DB_OEM_ID=8900&ATCLID=3621309)

Northwest Missouri coach Mel Tjeerdsma was asked about he score after the game: “Did they cut down the nets?
Hahaha, that's a great line by Tjeerdsma. I really only follow Super Region 1 closely, but I know NW Missouri plays some entertaining playoff games. I'm looking forward to their game with ACU next week.

[RedKingGold]

A lot of particularly miserable football fans in the threads this weekend.

As a Penn State fan, this weekend could not have gone any better for my team. So, I'm happy.

[Dr. Sak]

As a Penn State fan, this weekend could not have gone any better for my team. So, I'm happy.

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

[st.cronin]

In fact if isnt OU/Florida, the BCS withh prove once again it doesnt work.

Even if Florida loses to Florida State and/or 'Bama? Or the Sooners lose to the Cowboys?

I don't think we're finished with the upsets yet.

[st.cronin]

dola, re: Weis. He's done an ok job recruiting, but something is obviously wrong. That team should be much better than it is.

[RedKingGold]

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

Not only that, but I felt it was really meaningful to have the seniors be the star(s) of the show yesterday on Senior Day. It was a really wonderful day for the program

[Karlifornia]

There is a special place in hell for Ty Willingham.

LOL...geez you husky fans are rough.

[DeToxRox]

dola, re: Weis. He's done an ok job recruiting, but something is obviously wrong. That team should be much better than it is.

Ron Zook can recruit too.

Doesn't mean he can coach.

Charlie meet Ron. Ron meet Charlie.

[molson]

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

From the general tone of this and the NFL thread, it's kind of refreshing you don't consider the season a failure because of that one loss.

[st.cronin]

Ron Zook can recruit too.

Doesn't mean he can coach.

Charlie meet Ron. Ron meet Charlie.


That doesn't seem an unfair comparison at this point.

[st.cronin]

My wags at Big 10 Bowls:

Penn State vs. Oregon State - Rose Bowl
Ohio State vs. Georgia - Capital One Bowl
Michigan State vs. LSU - Outback Bowl
Northwestern vs. Missouri - Alamo Bowl
Iowa vs. North Carolina - Champs Sports Bowl
Minnesota vs. Nebraska - Insight Bowl
Wisconsin vs. Ball State - Motor City Bowl

[tarcone]

My wags at Big 10 Bowls:

Penn State vs. Oregon State - Rose Bowl
Ohio State vs. Georgia - Capital One Bowl
Michigan State vs. LSU - Outback Bowl
Northwestern vs. Missouri - Alamo Bowl
Iowa vs. North Carolina - Champs Sports Bowl
Minnesota vs. Nebraska - Insight Bowl
Wisconsin vs. Ball State - Motor City Bowl

Iowa is going to the Outback bowl. The Big 10 has a rule that if you finish within one game of another team you can jump them and go to the better bowl. The Outback Bowl loves Iowa and the all the fans they bring to Florida.
So move Iowa to the Outback and slide MSU and Northwestern down. Then its on the money.

[tarcone]

Ron Zook can recruit too.

Doesn't mean he can coach.

Charlie meet Ron. Ron meet Charlie.

I think Zook recruits better then Weis.

[dawgfan]

LOL...geez you husky fans are rough.
How would you feel if your favorite football program, one with a rich tradition of success that was 2nd only to USC in Pac-10 history, had been brought to the lowest point in their proud history.

We are staring at 0-12, the only winless season in modern Husky history (there were two 0-win seasons in the late 1800's - 0-1 & 0-0-1). We are in the midst of a school-record 13 game losing streak (previous worst: 10 games), and a school-record 5th consecutive losing season (previous worst: 3 consecutive losing seasons). We just lost to arguably the worst BCS team in modern history. The program may not be dead yet, but it's on life-support.

And yet this asshole has the temerity, in his 4th season as coach, to say that part of the blame for this comes from the situation he inherited.

Was it a great situation? Of course not - he stepped in to a team that had just gone 1-10, was in the midst of the Neuheisel wrongful termination lawsuit and other scandals in the athletic department and a team that was facing their 3rd coach in 1.5 years.

But it was also a program that had been 11-1 and #3 in the country just 5 seasons prior, was only 1 season removed from 27 consecutive seasons of .500 or better. The 3 seasons prior to Gilbertson's 1-10 were:

8-4
7-6
6-6

A downward trend for sure, and the 4 year total prior to Willingham was 22-26.

But compare that to Willingham's 11-36 (soon to be 11-37). That's a significant difference, and in the wrong direction.

It was a rebuilding job he inherited, but plenty of other coaches have done better compared to their predecessor(s) in the same 4 year comparison. From the Pac-10 alone:

Cal:
4 years prior to Tedford ('98-'01): 13-31
4 years of Tedford ('02-'05): 33-17

Oregon State:
4 years prior to Riley ('93-'96): 11-33
4 years of Riley/Erickson ('97-'00): 26-20

USC:
4 years prior to Carroll ('97-'00): 25-23
4 years of Carroll ('01-'04): 42-9

Stanford:
4 years of Wiggin ('80-'83): 16-28
4 years of Elway ('84-'87): 22-23

Looking outside of the Pac-10:

Oklahoma:
4 years prior to Stoops ('95-'98): 17-27
4 years of Stoops ('99-'02): 43-9

Hawaii:
4 years prior to Jones ('95-'98): 9-39
4 years of Jones ('99-'02): 31-20

Northwestern:
4 years prior to Barnett ('88-'91): 7-36-1
4 years of Barnett ('92-'95): 19-25

I could keep going on and on, but I think you get my point - a good coach will display himself and show marked improvement over his predecessors, and even really tough situations can be turned around in 4 years or less.

But this pattern of not accepting full responsibility for his shortcomings is nothing new for Willingham - he regularly throws his players under the bus.

The truth is, he's a petty little tyrant who's developed a refined worldview that everyone is out to get him. What he doesn't seem to realize is that any persecution he faces is due to his own ineptitude - his poor coaching, poor recruiting, lousy relationship with fans, boosters and the media. What he does appear to think is that the color of his skin is a major component in this, which is offensive.

And in his 4 years here, he's taken a football program that was good but had just taken a major stumble (the 1-10 in '04) and has turned that stumble into the status quo, finishing last or 2nd to last in every season he's been here, with a losing record every season he's been here. He's instilled a losing mentality here and changed the perception of the UW football program from a 1-year out-of-character flop into one of the worst BCS football programs in the country.

Willingham is a fraud and is stealing the $1.5M he is paid from the UW. The sooner this petty little prick is gone the better.

[cartman]

Actually the bowl selection process is pretty fluid. Outside of the bowl tie-ins for conference champions and the BCS, the rest of bowls work on a draft style system. For example, the Outback bowl is listed as Big Ten #3. That doesn't mean they necessarily get the 3rd place Big Ten team, it means they get the 3rd pick out of the pool of bowl eligible Big Ten teams.

[st.cronin]

I think its absolutely amazing that Washington State won 2 games.

[dawgfan]

I think its absolutely amazing that Washington State won 2 games.
Well, one of those wins was against a middling 1-AA team. The other win, well...all I can say is FUCK YOU TY WILLINGHAM!

[Chief Rum]

+1

At worst I am going to the Rose Bowl.

Are you going to be out here then?

[Chief Rum]

My wags at Big 10 Bowls:

Penn State vs. Oregon State - Rose Bowl
Ohio State vs. Georgia - Capital One Bowl
Michigan State vs. LSU - Outback Bowl
Northwestern vs. Missouri - Alamo Bowl
Iowa vs. North Carolina - Champs Sports Bowl
Minnesota vs. Nebraska - Insight Bowl
Wisconsin vs. Ball State - Motor City Bowl

What about the Sun?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Actually the bowl selection process is pretty fluid. Outside of the bowl tie-ins for conference champions and the BCS, the rest of bowls work on a draft style system. For example, the Outback bowl is listed as Big Ten #3. That doesn't mean they necessarily get the 3rd place Big Ten team, it means they get the 3rd pick out of the pool of bowl eligible Big Ten teams.

Subject to whatever pressure the conferences might bring to bear at times to keep them picking along those general lines (Georgia Tech & the ACC went through that deal a year or two ago).

[st.cronin]

Not sure why you're asking about the Sun Bowl, it will most likely be Notre Dame vs. somebody from the Pac 10, maybe Oregon or California.

[Dr. Sak]

Are you going to be out here then?

Yeah I have some tickets lined up. I know a few big donors and they arent going to the game so they said they'd get me tickets.

Im looking forward to it!

[Young Drachma]

Wyoming lost to Colorado State yesterday. I think that officially ends the Joe Glenn era in Laramie. I doubt they'll get someone better to replace him, much less someone who can rally the fans as he has. But at the same time...I think they're well overdue to get someone in there who can recruit.

[Young Drachma]

Wyoming lost to Colorado State yesterday. I think that officially ends the Joe Glenn era in Laramie. I doubt they'll get someone better to replace him, much less someone who can rally the fans as he has. But at the same time...I think they're well overdue to get someone in there who can recruit.

Dola --

Confirmed.

Wyoming Tribune Eagle Online : Joe Glenn era comes to an end (http://wyomingnews.com/articles/2008/11/23/breaking_news/18breaking_11-23-08.txt)

http://casperstartribune.com/articles/2008/11/23/homepage_lead/doc4929cd10d08f5232779973.txt

But they were only paying him $300k, so I doubt anyone short of an assistant or another 1-AA like Glenn will actually come to Laramie. Smart model though, bringing in a guy who it's his "top job" so he won't be leaving, as opposed to a hot assistant or someone looking to take the job, only to jump and head elsewhere after some success as the revolving door there used to be.

[bob]

ND would be a significant downgrade to what Florida has

Agreed, I just brought his name up because they wanted him last time, and I had just read this article:

Notre Dame, Meyer seem like perfect fit | floridatoday.com | FLORIDA TODAY (http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081120/COLUMNISTS0306/811200343/1065/SPORTS)

[st.cronin]

As an aside to this week, I just want to say how delighted I am with the seasons Arkansas, Ole Miss, West Virginia and Michigan have had this year. Now if only Auburn can win the Iron Bowl again...

[Chief Rum]

Not sure why you're asking about the Sun Bowl, it will most likely be Notre Dame vs. somebody from the Pac 10, maybe Oregon or California.

Isn't Sun Bowl between Pac 10 #3 and Big Ten #5 or something like that? Or did the Big Ten break off its contract with the Sun?

[Chief Rum]

Yeah I have some tickets lined up. I know a few big donors and they arent going to the game so they said they'd get me tickets.

Im looking forward to it!

Awesome. Well, then, if you make it out here, let me be the first to invite you out for a drink. Heck, maybe we can even get a SoCal FOFC gathering for around then (although it may be tough if a bunch of people are out of town for the holidays).

[cartman]

Isn't Sun Bowl between Pac 10 #3 and Big Ten #5 or something like that? Or did the Big Ten break off its contract with the Sun?

Yeah, there was a new arrangement at the Sun Bowl starting in 2006. One spot is for the Pac-10, and the other is for the Big 12, Big East, or Notre Dame. The deal was for 2006-2009, and over those four years the Big 12 got two spots, and the Big East/ND the other two. So far Mizzou and South Florida have made appearances since the deal started.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, there was a new arrangement at the Sun Bowl starting in 2006. One spot is for the Pac-10, and the other is for the Big 12, Big East, or Notre Dame. The deal was for 2006-2009, and over those four years the Big 12 got two spots, and the Big East/ND the other two. So far Mizzou and South Florida have made appearances since the deal started.

Well, that explains that then. Probably better--I would rather see a Big 12 team there than a Big 10 team. But I would probably rather see a Big 10 team there than Notre Dame or a Big East team. So hopefully it lands a solid bowl eligible squad from the Big 12.

As for the Pac 10 bowl spots, it's getting a bit murky. The clinched bowl eligibles are OSU, USC, Oregon, Cal and Arizona. There are only two more bowl eligible possibles in ASU and UCLA, and they play each other in a "bowl eligible elimination" game next Friday. And even then they could both lose their final games the week after (Arizona and USC, so both much better teams as well). Worst case scenario has them both with five wins at best, and neither going leaving just five bowl eligible Pac 10 teams.

And since OSU is likely to nad the Rose Bowl spot, USC probably gets one of the ten BCS spots, meaning only four of the bowl eligibles will go to a Pac-10 tying game (including the Rose).

Using current standings, it would be...

Oregon State (Rose vs Penn State)
USC (probably Fiesta, but a BCS bowl, not sure against who, Utah?)
Oregon (Holiday, probably against Missou if OU/Texas both get spots in BCS)
Cal (Sun, probably against Notre Dame unless ND gets grabbed higher up, because they'll make money off of that, then Nebraska or Okie State or Kansas or West Virginia)

That leaves the final team, Arizona, to be fought over by the Poinsettia and Las Vegas bowls, whose other best options would normally be MWC teams, but they already have MWC tie ins. Las Vegas gets first choice, so they'll match up Arizona with BYU. And BYU fans will just love going back to the Vegas Bowl...again...

That leaves the Poinsettia, Hawaii and Emerald bowls scrambling. They are probably praying one of either UCLA or ASU get bowl eligible, although if UCLA wins out, it will probably knock USC from a BCS bowl, and fill two spots Poinsettia and Hawaii, probably.

[Dr. Sak]

Awesome. Well, then, if you make it out here, let me be the first to invite you out for a drink. Heck, maybe we can even get a SoCal FOFC gathering for around then (although it may be tough if a bunch of people are out of town for the holidays).

Sounds like a plan! I already talked to Dan and he seemed interested too. Right now I dont think I am flying right into LA. My friends and I might go to Las Vegas or Phoenix and make the drive. The airfare is a bit cheaper.

[JeeberD]

Supposedly the Sun Bowl Committee is bypassing the Big East's spot and extending an offer to Notre Dame already...

[Logan]

That's coming from ND media. The rest of the world maintains that they cannot receive the bid at this point.

[JeeberD]

I'm hearing it from a guy in El Paso who has plenty of connections, and he says that the SBC chairman himself has said they're taking ND...

[Logan]

I'm hearing it from a guy in El Paso who has plenty of connections, and he says that the SBC chairman himself has said they're taking ND...

If that's the case, he is making these assumptions:

1) Rutgers loses to Louisville on December 4th. This would put them at 6-6 for the season and would not be automatically eligible to fill one of the Big East's bowl slots.

2) Notre Dame beats USC. That would give them 7 wins, tying them with the Big East teams who also have 7 wins.

3) The Pac 10 does not get enough bowl eligible teams where they can then take a 6-6 Notre Dame as an at-large.

Notre Dame can't to go to the Sun Bowl if the Big East has six 7 win teams to fill its six bowl games. By NCAA rules, the Sun Bowl is not allowed to select a 6 win Big East team (including Notre Dame) if a 7 win team is available. There are five 7 win teams (Cincy, Pitt, West Virginia, UConn and USF) with Rutgers having 6 and a game to play.

This info comes straight from Big East associate commissioner Nick Carparelli.

[JeeberD]

This is what I'm hearing...

Just heard the chairman of the Sun Bowl selection committee say they will select Notre Dame. There has been talk that the Sun would have to take a Big East team with seven wins before the Sun could take Notre Dame. He said he has researched it and he feels fine with the Sun Bowl's position and is willing to fight the Big East and the NCAA and select Notre Dame.

and

He feels that based on his research of the contract that they can and will fight the NCAA and take them anyway. He made it sound like the Sun Bowl legal team has already found what they believe will stand up in court and they are willing to go that route.

The SBC is willing to fight for ND because there's a large ND following in El Paso due to the large catholic population of the city. I don't know if any of their arguments will stand up or not, but I have no doubt they're going to try their best...

Edit: And it's from this thread, if you're interested...

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=330390

[molson]

For those of you who feel all depraved without a college football playoff bracket, here's one for the 1-AA, announced today.

http://www.collegesportingnews.com/stats/writer/CSN/08OfficialBracket1.jpg

[RedKingGold]

Go Nova!

Maybe I'll try to go to the game this weekend (I think it's at Villanova Stadium)

[Logan]

This is what I'm hearing...

All of that is pretty damn stupid (the thought process, nothing from you of course :)...)

The NCAA rules couldn't really be clearer when it comes to bowl eligibility. If the Sun Bowl people would rather put up a legal fight (which I'm guessing wouldn't be resolved quickly) and detract from the actual bowl game, just so they can have the Notre Dame travelers instead of West Virginia's (one of the better traveling fan bases in the country), they don't deserve to have a game.

Especially considering Notre Dame would get destroyed again.

[JeeberD]

Nobody has ever tried to claim that the SBC is smart...

[RedKingGold]

All of that is pretty damn stupid (the thought process, nothing from you of course :)...)

The NCAA rules couldn't really be clearer when it comes to bowl eligibility. If the Sun Bowl people would rather put up a legal fight (which I'm guessing wouldn't be resolved quickly) and detract from the actual bowl game, just so they can have the Notre Dame travelers instead of West Virginia's (one of the better traveling fan bases in the country), they don't deserve to have a game.

Especially considering Notre Dame would get destroyed again.

Hate to say it, but having Notre Dame and fighting the legal battle which may results would likely generate more money than hosting the 5th best team in the Big East.

[Logan]

They might sell 5,000 more seats if Notre Dame is in the game instead of West Virginia. If, like Jeeber said, they want ND because of the huge local Catholic population, who are people who won't be spending 2-4 nights in hotels and at restaurants, which is where the real money comes from, the bowl will not last very long.

[RedKingGold]

They might sell 5,000 more seats if Notre Dame is in the game instead of West Virginia. If, like Jeeber said, they want ND because of the huge local Catholic population, who are people who won't be spending 2-4 nights in hotels and at restaurants, which is where the real money comes from, the bowl will not last very long.

Considering the Sun Bowl has been around since 1935, I doubt it's concerned about longevity.

Also, I think you underestimate the power of the Dark Side when it comes to Notre Dame.

[Vegas Vic]

For those of you who feel all depraved without a college football playoff bracket, here's one for the 1-AA, announced today.


That reminds me, if the FCS ever goes to a playoff system in the future, it will be done like the other college divisions and the NFL. All of the games except the championship game will be played at the higher seeded team's home field. All of this nonsense about the bowls filling the playoff spots is preposterous from a logistical and attendance standpoint.

[dawgfan]

If that's the case, he is making these assumptions:

3) The Pac 10 does not get enough bowl eligible teams where they can then take a 6-6 Notre Dame as an at-large.
The Pac-10 has 7 bowl berths this year and only 6 teams (at most) will be bowl eligible. Plus, if Oregon State beats Oregon, USC will get an at-large BCS bowl bid if they beat Notre Dame and UCLA, leaving only 5 Pac-10 teams (at most) for their 7 bowl berths.

[Swaggs]

I'm guessing that Notre Dame would side with the Big East over the Sun Bowl in this scenario. I cannot see them violating their association with the Big East over a bowl of the Sun Bowl's magnitude, when other third tier bowls will be available to them without forcing the conference that they belong to into going to court. Notre Dame has been a pretty strong advocate for the BE football teams and helped them keep their BCS bid after the ACC raid. If they fail to honor the Big East's bowl rules, it could lead to the divorce of an agreement that is pretty damn favorable to the ND AD.

I don't think they will think the Sun Bowl is worth that fight, but I could be wrong.

[General Mike]

F*** the Sun Bowl. No one wants to go to El Paso anyways.

[Buccaneer]

F*** the Sun Bowl. No one wants to go to El Paso anyways.


+1

[Vegas Vic]

F*** the Sun Bowl. No one wants to go to El Paso anyways.

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[Chief Rum]

The Pac-10 has 7 bowl berths this year and only 6 teams (at most) will be bowl eligible. Plus, if Oregon State beats Oregon, USC will get an at-large BCS bowl bid if they beat Notre Dame and UCLA, leaving only 5 Pac-10 teams (at most) for their 7 bowl berths.

Thanks for summing up my post above, dawg. ;)

[mckerney]

Former Dolphins and USC assistant Tim Davis looks like he'll be hired as the O-Line coach at Minnesota. Any USC/Pac 10 fans have any insight on him?

[Chief Rum]

Sounds like a plan! I already talked to Dan and he seemed interested too. Right now I dont think I am flying right into LA. My friends and I might go to Las Vegas or Phoenix and make the drive. The airfare is a bit cheaper.

Terrific! We'll have to see if some others want to join us. Bug? Who else? bhhloy? heybrad? Danny, you're out here aren't you? I know there are a ton, although I don't know how many you have connections with, Brian.

I can definitely see going the Vegas or Phoenix route for cheaper airfare if possible. Heck, just make it Vegas. :)

I am off from one job for sure from the day after Christmas until January 5, so outside of the occasional short shift at the other job and the usual family obligations, I should be free.

[tarcone]

Ive heard if Mizzou loses the Big 12 championship game the matchup in the Outback bowl will be Iowa vs. Missouri.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey Chief...do you have to buy tickets to go to the Rose Parade?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ive heard if Mizzou loses the Big 12 championship game the matchup in the Outback bowl will be Iowa vs. Missouri.

Holiday Bowl is reportedly the most likely destination at this point for Mizzou if they lose.

[JeeberD]

F*** the Sun Bowl. No one wants to go to El Paso anyways.



:rolleyes:

[RedKingGold]

Ive heard if Mizzou loses the Big 12 championship game the matchup in the Outback bowl will be Iowa vs. Missouri.

Everything I've seen has Michigan St. in the Outback Bowl, fwiw.

But it depends on if USC or Oregon St. blows it. That would open up a spot for Ohio St. in the BCS and move all the Big Ten bowls up one.

(And yes, I know that being 3rd in Big Ten Standings does not equal 3rd in Bowl Position, but I think Michigan St. is a bigger draw than you'd think).

[timmynausea]

Big East official: No truth to Notre Dame to Sun Bowl story

Posted By Keith Sargeant On November 25, 2008 @ 10:25 am In Uncategorized | 1 Comment

A report on El Paso TV station Kvia.com’s web site in which Sun Bowl chairman John Folmer said a deal to bring Notre Dame to the Sun has been “worked out” is inaccurate, a high-ranking Big East official said Tuesday morning.

“The rules are clear, they’ve been confirmed, they’ve been triple-confirmed,” said the Big East official, who asked to be anonymous. “If Rutgers wins, we will have six teams with winning records and the Sun Bowl cannot select Notre Dame.”

Asked if there’s any way that the Sun Bowl will attempt to skirt the rule and take 6-win Notre Dame anyway, the official said: “I really don’t sense they would go that far. You’re talking about severing relationships for the future and I think we all plan on being in business for a while.

“But if they did, they’d lose. It would be the NCAA that would have to change the rule and I think we’d have most of those people on our side.”

[1] As reported here on Monday, barring major upsets on the college football landscape – namely Notre Dame beating No. 5 Southern Cal on Saturday – Rutgers’ likely destination with a win over Louisville will be the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte, N.C., a Big East official reiterated Tuesday morning.

That’s because the Sun Bowl is prefers West Virginia above all other bowl-eligible Big East teams. Barring a Syracuse upset of Cincinnati that opens up the Big East title race and unless West Virginia loses its final two games, the Sun is expected to invite West Virginia.

The Meineke also prefers West Virginia but will take Rutgers if the Mountaineers are off their board, multiple officials with knowledge of the Big East’s bowl pecking order said.

[tarcone]

Everything I've seen has Michigan St. in the Outback Bowl, fwiw.

But it depends on if USC or Oregon St. blows it. That would open up a spot for Ohio St. in the BCS and move all the Big Ten bowls up one.

(And yes, I know that being 3rd in Big Ten Standings does not equal 3rd in Bowl Position, but I think Michigan St. is a bigger draw than you'd think).

My connestions in Iowa City say its pretty much a lock for Iowa to go to the Outback. They love the Hawks and have a recent history of great crowd turnouts coming in from the north.

[General Mike]

:rolleyes:

sorry Jeebs. :devil:

[Chief Rum]

Hey Chief...do you have to buy tickets to go to the Rose Parade?

lol...believe it or not, I have never been. Parades were never my thing.

My understanding is, no, you don't need tickets. But I have celebrated New Year's Eve in Old Town Pasadena, which is basically the hub the Rose Parade goes through, and it's nuts with people who actually camp out at a spot to be sure to have a front row spot for the parade. So I don't think you need to buy a ticket, but if you want a spot up front, you may have to bite the bullet.

My recommendation is screw that, there are better ways to spend a New Year's Eve, and then try to get there early and wing it. I'm sure you can still find a reasonaby good spot somewhere along the route.

[Dr. Sak]

I'm not a big Parade fan either but I thought since I am out there I might as well experience it.

[RedKingGold]

My connestions in Iowa City say its pretty much a lock for Iowa to go to the Outback. They love the Hawks and have a recent history of great crowd turnouts coming in from the north.

"shrug"

[PilotMan]

Iowa v. Minnesota gets midwestern juices flowing. The best part is at the end.

Iowa fans cited for restroom sex during Gophs game


MINNEAPOLIS – While the Hawkeyes were stomping the Gophers on the Metrodome field last weekend, police said two Iowa fans were having a romp of a different kind in a restroom. Both events, police say, had their share of cheering fans.

A 38-year-old woman and a 26-year-old man turned to a handicapped stall for their tryst Saturday evening. On the field, the Hawkeyes were on their way to 55-0 trouncing of the Gophers. In the restroom, a crowd of intoxicated fans gathered to cheer the off-the-field event.

Eventually, a security guard tipped off University of Minnesota police. Officers had to interrupt the couple to cite them for indecent conduct, a misdemeanor. Police Chief Greg Hestness said the woman initially gave a false name to officers. She was released to her husband and the man was released to his girlfriend.

Both people in the stall were intoxicated.

Information from: St. Paul Pioneer Press