NFL Week 12

[stevew]

Starts this thursday with a Steelers/Bengals clash in Pittsburgh. On the NFL Network.

I would be extremely dissapointed if the Steelers find a way to lose this game. With the Bengals starting a rookie left side, I'd be suprised if James Harrison does not get at least 2 sacks.

Probably will be a low scoring affair, the field was shit on Sunday. And the weather is getting lousier by the day.

[stevew]

I suppose the Bengals are somewhat hot, considering they are riding a 2 game unbeaten streak.

[Butter]

Fitzpatrick got sacked something like 27 times against the Eagles. I can't see that number going down.

Steelers 47, Bengals 1, with a late rouge.

[flere-imsaho]

So, no one watched the game, then?

[Butter]

I'm a huge Bengals fan, but there's only so much one man can take.

I watched the 1st half. Eh.

[Honolulu_Blue]

So, no one watched the game, then?

I totally even forgot there was a game on Thursday and who was playing in it.

Good job, NFL!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Dola.

Then again, living in a city without a NFL franchise does lessen one's awareness about the league.

[Thomkal]

Thigpen gets the Chiefs on the board early again with a 36 yard TD, 4 for 5 on opening drive.

[kingfc22]

Nice homer non-call in Dallas. If that is not pass interference I'm not sure what is.

[Jas_lov]

Don't look now but the Lions are up 14-0. How will they manage to blow this one?

[Cringer]

I love how Culpepper is still breaking out the "Getting my roll on" celebration. I think it's time to let go of that one.....

[Thomkal]

Larry Johnson with a 63 yd run and Tony Gonsales witha 2 yd TD catch from Thigpen 14-10 Chiefs

[Honolulu_Blue]

Don't look now but the Lions are up 14-0. How will they manage to blow this one?

Tampa will soon realize that they are playing the Lions and the Lions will soon remember that they are, in fact, the Lions.

It wont take too long...

[PurdueBrad]

I was dealing with a problem with Comcast so I need some last minute fantasy football help. I have Portis, Jacobs, DeAngelo Williams, and Derek Ward (also Stephen Jackson but I know he's out). All are late games so I can still make changes. I was going to play Portis vs. SEA and Williams vs. ATL but has anybody heard:

1- Is Portis playing today?
2- Is Jacobs playing today?

Thanks a ton in advance...

[Matthean]

Don't look now but the Lions are up 14-0. How will they manage to blow this one?

Was 17-0 and now 17-14. I swear teams get way behind on the Lions and then go, "OK, we got them right where we want them now."

I love how Culpepper is still breaking out the "Getting my roll on" celebration. I think it's time to let go of that one.....

I absolutely hated the thing before and seeing it the first time after he came back reminded me how much I despite it before.

[Jas_lov]

And C-Pepp just threw an INT to give Tampa the ball at the Lions 24. The Lions 17-0 lead is now gone, Tampa up 21-17. HB was right, it didn't take too long.

[EagleFan]

Please tell me why McNabb is still in there? Two more interceptions and a fumble and we're just in the 1st half. I have always been a supporter of his but it is about time for a change.

[Eaglesfan27]

Do you really think Kolb will be better? McNabb has struggled the last few weeks, but the first 4 weeks he was one of the hottest QB's in the league. I don't think it is time to give up on him yet.

[Eaglesfan27]

Quentin Demps with the TD!!!

[Tasan]

Cowboys are rolling. The 49ers really gave them the breathing room by failing to get the ball in from the 4 twice.

[Thomkal]

Sadly Thigpen not looking too good today, 2 iNT including one run back for a TD

[EagleFan]

Do you really think Kolb will be better? McNabb has struggled the last few weeks, but the first 4 weeks he was one of the hottest QB's in the league. I don't think it is time to give up on him yet.

It really doesn;t matter to me if he's any better. We need to find out if he is going to be the team's future or not. They pretty much need to run the table to have a chance at the playoffs and they're not doing that with McNabb so why not give Kolb a chance? We'll either see promise for a future or that he can't play and that they need to look at another solution for the future.

This is the perfect time to find that out.

[MizzouRah]

You're welcome Chicago fans.. it's nice having the hams on your schedule.

[RedKingGold]

Kevin Kolb is starting the second half of the Eagles-Ravens game.

[Galaril]

So much for the Titans being any kind of contender. They are more like a pretender Jets smoking 20-3 in Tennessee.

[EagleFan]

So much for the Titans being any kind of contender. They are more like a pretender Jets smoking 20-3 in Tennessee.

Are you serious? They win 10 straight and have one bad game and immediately get labeled pretender?

[MizzouRah]

Are you serious? They win 10 straight and have one bad game and immediately get labeled pretender?

No doubt.. I'll take Tennesse anyday.

[EagleFan]

I blame McNabb for that blocked punt.... ;)

[Galaril]

Are you serious? They win 10 straight and have one bad game and immediately get labeled pretender?

As a Titans fan I have seen this coming for all year in fact for a decade with Fisher's conservative Fisher ball. You ar`e down 17 points in the 4th Q not the time for run up the middle, draw and screen:banghead:

[Eaglesfan27]

It really doesn;t matter to me if he's any better. We need to find out if he is going to be the team's future or not. They pretty much need to run the table to have a chance at the playoffs and they're not doing that with McNabb so why not give Kolb a chance? We'll either see promise for a future or that he can't play and that they need to look at another solution for the future.

This is the perfect time to find that out.

My problem with that reasoning is that this doesn't prove anything. I'm sure he didn't get that many snaps this week, and didn't prepare as a starter so that negates if he does poorly. If he does well (which he hasn't been), it still doesn't prove much. I agree that they have to run the table for the playoffs, but I'd much rather see them make this move next week to start the game, then to do it midgame. Although, really I'd prefer they just have stuck with McNabb for this season and give himself a chance to pull himself out of this funk. Now, I fear they are alienating him and he is still a very good QB.

[RedKingGold]

Meh. Titans lost one game. Better now than in the Super Bowl, I always say. :)

[bulletsponge]

My problem with that reasoning is that this doesn't prove anything. I'm sure he didn't get that many snaps this week, and didn't prepare as a starter so that negates if he does poorly. If he does well (which he hasn't been), it still doesn't prove much. I agree that they have to run the table for the playoffs, but I'd much rather see them make this move next week to start the game, then to do it midgame. Although, really I'd prefer they just have stuck with McNabb for this season and give himself a chance to pull himself out of this funk. Now, I fear they are alienating him and he is still a very good QB.

isnt Mcnabb in a funk this time of year every year? well with the exception of when hes injured

[Eaglesfan27]

Was McNabb just clapping for that Kolb interception?

[EagleFan]

My problem with that reasoning is that this doesn't prove anything. I'm sure he didn't get that many snaps this week, and didn't prepare as a starter so that negates if he does poorly. If he does well (which he hasn't been), it still doesn't prove much. I agree that they have to run the table for the playoffs, but I'd much rather see them make this move next week to start the game, then to do it midgame. Although, really I'd prefer they just have stuck with McNabb for this season and give himself a chance to pull himself out of this funk. Now, I fear they are alienating him and he is still a very good QB.

They would be alienating him either way. If they announce it for next week it still alienates him. This is professional sports, there should be no need to tip toe around his feelings.

After last week Kolb should have been starting this game.

A change was needed to try to kick start the team's offense. Something that to be done. Unfortunately this is not looking any different than with McNabb in there.

I think I should fire up my recording of the end of WS game 5, I need somethng to make me feel good about Philly sports. ;)

[EagleFan]

Was McNabb just clapping for that Kolb interception?

McNabb claps after he throws interceptions so I wouldn't read mucnh into that.

Speaking of interceptions. That is why I am in favor of McNabb being benched. Usually when he would play poorly it didn't equate to a lot of interceptons. He would underthrow receivers and get incompletions. Now he is making poor throws into coverage. If he was in his usual throw the ball into the ground funk I would not be so quick to pull him as it doesn't hurt the team like an ill advised throw for an interception.

[EagleFan]

dola: That was a quick respons by the Titans. Just saw the Jets went up 27-6 and now the Titans are in the end zone for 27-13.

[Eaglesfan27]

McNabb claps after he throws interceptions so I wouldn't read mucnh into that.


Yeah, I know he does. Just seems odd to do it after a teammate throws one. Anyway, I'm not at all impressed with Kolb, but like I said, it is hard to judge him with the lack of prep. Since they are going down this road, they might as well go all the way and start Kolb next week after a full week of prep with the 1st team.

[Voo]

Yeah, I know he does. Just seems odd to do it after a teammate throws one. Anyway, I'm not at all impressed with Kolb, but like I said, it is hard to judge him with the lack of prep. Since they are going down this road, they might as well go all the way and start Kolb next week after a full week of prep with the 1st team.

You put a lot of faith into a coaching staff that has great track record of being incompetent.

[RedKingGold]

Was McNabb just clapping for that Kolb interception?

That was my first thought, but I think it more likely that he was trying to boost up the offense (kind of like "it's ok, you'll get em' again) kind of thing.

[RedKingGold]

Well, at least the Phils are still World Champions.

[RedKingGold]

Are the Chiefs playing the JV team on defense? 54 points to the Bills with just under a quarter to go.

[EagleFan]

So the Lions get spotted a 17-0 lead after the 1st quarter and then go on to get outscored 38-3 the next three quarters (so far)?

[Eaglesfan27]

Cassel with back to back games of over 400 yards. He also has 4 TD's today so far.

[Eaglesfan27]

McNabb would have made that tackle.

[Thomkal]

Are the Chiefs playing the JV team on defense? 54 points to the Bills with just under a quarter to go.

yeah its pretty sad, Chiefs been hit hard with injuries on defense. Had a couple rookies starting at CB for a while there, still may be. They've scored 19 or more points in each of Thigpen's starts after the Atlanta game and still lose them all due to their defense

[EagleFan]

Why pass there? Poor decision to make the throw. Bad all around. Can we also change coaches mid game?

[Matthean]

And C-Pepp just threw an INT to give Tampa the ball at the Lions 24. The Lions 17-0 lead is now gone, Tampa up 21-17. HB was right, it didn't take too long.

1 TD, 2 INTs, and a fumble although not lost. <denny_green>He is who we thought he was.</denny_green> I think I as the coach of the Lions could have put together at least the same record as they have since starting Culpepper and I would at least have a better idea of what Stanton can do. Culpepper continues to proves he's exactly the guy nobody wanted outside of being a 3rd stinger. Except for the Lions.

[airulf]

T.O. got involved in the cowboys offense again it seem. 7 catches, 213 yards and a score.

I bet the kid is happy again.

[GrantDawg]

Falcons looking good early versus the hated rivals. First drive ended in a FG, and the second in a touchdown on an end-around in the red-zone. 10-0 good guys, I mean Falcons.

[SirFozzie]

Really good game by Cassell, even the INT wasn't his fault (WR unable to make a catch led to it). I'm worried about the defense though, we' gave up a LOT of third and longs, it seemed.

[Rizon]

Paging Bell and Hill of the Dolphins: Football is obviously not for you.

[ISiddiqui]

Another TD by Atlanta.

[Radii]

Total yards:

Atlanta - 177
Carolina - 8

I know the home team is winning every game in the division this year and I was very worried coming into this game, but this is ridiculous.

[Thomkal]

Carolina has just fallen apart offensively the last three games

[Radii]

an Atlanta fumble gives Carolina a bit of hope

[Raiders Army]

Dammit! I missed the obligatory "Jay Cutler has diabetes" comment today.

[Radii]

Just terrible... after getting 1st and goal at the 1, and 2nd and goal from the 1 foot line, a false start and two incompletions and its field goal time. 17-3 Atlanta, not scoring a TD there is totally inexcusable.

[Radii]

Speaking of inexcusable, Arizona scores a TD to go up 9-7 in the 2nd quarter and attempts a 2 point conversion? What the hell is that.

[Thomkal]

Smith should have had that second pass to him, but yeah that was pretty pathetic. False Start penalties have killed them all season

[Thomkal]

yeah I don't understand that move in the Cards game, maybe they thought they'd catch the Giants off guard or something.

[Thomkal]

and the Giants just kicked a FG to take the lead instead of a tie had they went for the XP

[airulf]

Speaking of inexcusable, Arizona scores a TD to go up 9-7 in the 2nd quarter and attempts a 2 point conversion? What the hell is that.

Looked like the holder dropped the ball, I don't think the play was intentional.

[Radii]

Carolina's defense has stepped up but the offense has wasted two great chances to seriously cut into the lead before the half. They still are only down 2 scores and will get the ball to start the second half if the defense can hold one more time.

[DeToxRox]

PING: Arizona and New York kickoff coverages

[Raiders Army]

Johnnie Lee Higgins PR for a TD. He was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for doing a backflip. How is that unsportsmanlike conduct???

[Raiders Army]

Jano with an 85 yard kickoff.

[molson]

Johnnie Lee Higgins PR for a TD. He was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for doing a backflip. How is that unsportsmanlike conduct???

The NFL really needs to loosen up on that kind of stuff. There's a line where things get ridiculous (staged "group" celebrations), but how does a backflip negatively impact anything? There's guys that'll celebrate, and guys that will quietly hand the ball to the referee. There's some fans that prefer the former, and some the latter, but let the players be who they are and fans like who they want.

[Radii]

Heh, god bless the internet. Arizona attempted a free kick FG after fair catching a punt near the endof the first half. A buddy of mine looked up the rules and history of the fair catch free kick rule:

Quirky Research: NFL fair catch kick attempts (http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.com/2006/07/nfl-fair-catch-kick-attempts.html)

The attempt by Rackers today has already been updated in the article(which upon further review is actually an old blog entry.. but still, pretty crazy that the author was watching the game, remembered the old post he'd made, and updated it *immediately*).

[Radii]

After scoring very quickly to open the 3rd quarter, Carolina forces Atlanta to punt and gets the ball back with 11:30 to go in the 3rd quarter near midfield trailing 17-10.

[Karlifornia]

The Giants D-line is so good.

[Raiders Army]

The Raiders score an offensive TD!

[GrantDawg]

Panthers settle for the FG after a good drive. 17-14, with momentum going Carolina'a way.

[GrantDawg]

Falcons go no huddle and march down the field for 7 more. 24-13.

[SirFozzie]

and Matty Ice says "No momentum for you, Carolina!"

24-13

[GrantDawg]

and Matty Ice says "No momentum for you, Carolina!"

24-13


Has there ever been a rookie so good at running the no-huddle? Unreal.

[DeToxRox]

I swear every play on this Cards drive ends with a penalty on the Gmen and all of them are well earned.

[Izulde]

I should've started either Cassell or Ryan this week it looks like.

Instead I did Rodger. Oi.

[DaddyTorgo]

He's not Matty Ice anymore - he's "Matty ROY"

[Radii]

He's not Matty Ice anymore - he's "Matty ROY"

anything to rid himself of that horrible nickname I assume.

Carolina scores a TD to get it back down to 1 score. They're lining up for 2, down 24-19 pending conversion.

[GrantDawg]

Panthers immediately respond. 24-19, and a time-out before they go for two.

[GrantDawg]

anything to rid himself of that horrible nickname I assume.

Carolina scores a TD to get it back down to 1 score. They're lining up for 2, down 24-19 pending conversion.


You're kidding, right? That is a great nick.

[Radii]

You're kidding, right? That is a great nick.

Meh, I am not a fan.

Carolina makes the 2 point conversion, potentially pending a review, Williams fumbled but I think it was well after he crossed the plane. 24-21 Atlanta with 11 minutes left.

[GrantDawg]

Harry Douglas is having a bit of a coming out party today. 4-92 yards and a rushing TD.

[GrantDawg]

Atlanta has the ball 4th and goal the one. TO to figure out what to do.

[GrantDawg]

And Turner walks it in!

[Radii]

And Turner walks it in!

huge play. Even if Carolina's offense can keep scoring, I really don't know if they have a stop in them at this point.

[Chubby]

for those that play ESPNs Streak for the Cash, root for ATL

[ISiddiqui]

You're kidding, right? That is a great nick.

QFT

[Radii]

Hey guys, did you know that Carolina has had more false start penalties than any other team in the NFL this year? That's 4 today. Carolina just completely imploded. Congrats to Atlanta.

[GrantDawg]

THIS IS THE HARRY DOUGLAS SHOW!!!

[ISiddiqui]

Harry Douglas is having a bit of a coming out party today. 4-92 yards and a rushing TD.

You ain't kidding... now a Punt return for TD.

[Raiders Army]

After watching the Subway commercial for $5 footlongs, I realized that when the giant robot holds up his hands that's way more than a foot.

[Jas_lov]

So much for the Titans being any kind of contender. They are more like a pretender Jets smoking 20-3 in Tennessee.

I dont see how you can label them a pretender because of 1 loss in 11 games. You can pull out one bad loss for any team in the NFL and call them pretenders if you want. The Giants lost to the terrible Browns, Jets lost to the atrocious Raiders, Patriots got destroyed by Miami in New England, and so on. The Titans will still be #1 seed, but I could see them losing in the 2nd round to Indy if that is the matchup.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I dont see how you can label them a pretender because of 1 loss in 11 games. You can pull out one bad loss for any team in the NFL and call them pretenders if you want. The Giants lost to the terrible Browns, Jets lost to the atrocious Raiders, Patriots got destroyed by Miami in New England, and so on. The Titans will still be #1 seed, but I could see them losing in the 2nd round to Indy if that is the matchup.
Aaron Rodgers has worse stats than Chad Pennington, but Rodgers is still the MVP!!!!

[QuikSand]

After watching the Subway commercial for $5 footlongs, I realized that when the giant robot holds up his hands that's way more than a foot.

I see a six-piece Chicken McNuggets in your future.

[Jas_lov]

Aaron Rodgers has worse stats than Chad Pennington, but Rodgers is still the MVP!!!!

What does this have to do with what I said in my post? And I would suggest you look at the stats again buddy, Rodgers is ahead of Pennington in QB Rating, has thrown twice as many TD Passes, and passing yards is basically the same. What the hell are you talking about? The guy called the Titans pretenders after 1 loss, so he deserved to be criticized for his stupid comment as much as I did for mine but you sir are wrong!

[Pumpy Tudors]

What does this have to do with what I said in my post? And I would suggest you look at the stats again buddy, Rodgers is ahead of Pennington in QB Rating, has thrown twice as many TD Passes, and passing yards is basically the same. What the hell are you talking about? The guy called the Titans pretenders after 1 loss, so he deserved to be criticized for his stupid comment as much as I did for mine but you sir are wrong!
YOU SURE SHOWED ME!!!!!!!!

[Jas_lov]

YOU SURE SHOWED ME!!!!!!!!

YES I DID! I TAUGHT YOU A LESSON YOU'LL NEVER FORGET!!!!!!! DON'T MESS WITH ME OR YOU'RE GONNA GET BURNED!!! I'M SO AWESOME!

[Thomkal]

Ah too bad for my beloved Cards, didn't expect them to win really-defense not nearly at the level of their offense and it showed today. And now they have to travel to Philly for a Thanksgiving game.

But hey even with the loss they are closer to clinching the West. Apparantly all they need is a SF loss for them to clinch.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ah too bad for my beloved Cards, didn't expect them to win really-defense not nearly at the level of their offense and it showed today. And now they have to travel to Philly for a Thanksgiving game.

But hey even with the loss they are closer to clinching the West. Apparantly all they need is a SF loss for them to clinch.

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll destroy an Eagle team that is going to be split and in disarray. I'm bummed out that the McNabb era is over. He is my favorite Eagle QB in my lifetime.

[Dr. Sak]

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll destroy an Eagle team that is going to be split and in disarray. I'm bummed out that the McNabb era is over. He is my favorite Eagle QB in my lifetime.

EF I agree with you about McNabb. I think the guy is class act all the way. I hope he can maybe catch on somewhere else. Although I don't think Kolb is the answer.

[MizzouRah]

We will trade you Bulger for McNabb. :)

[Lathum]

any doubt now that the Giants are the best team in the NFL by a large margin?

[RedKingGold]

any doubt now that the Giants are the best team in the NFL by a large margin?

I think it's time for a sig bet......if we still had sigs.

[Lathum]

I think it's time for a sig bet......if we still had sigs.

bring it on

[RedKingGold]

Simple:

NY Giants win 2009 Super Bowl - I have to put NEW YORK GIANTS 2008 WORLD CHAMPIONS (or something like that).

If the Giants do not win the 2009 Super Bowl - You have to put PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPIONS (or something like that)

[Lathum]

hmm, that is pretty skewed in your favor

[RedKingGold]

hmm, that is pretty skewed in your favor

Well, if the Giants are "the best team in the NFL by a large margin" this season, then it shouldn't be that skewed. ;)

[ISiddiqui]

He does kind of have you there.

[DeToxRox]

If I am not mistaken, wasn't there an NFL team who was far and away the best team in the league in the regular season as well?

[DeToxRox]

I'm telling you, the Colts are the most dangerous team in the NFL right now. The D is getting better and Manning is healthy.

I would not want to see them in the playoffs. At all.

[Jas_lov]

Why in the world did Norv Turner call a timeout right after the 3rd down play where they came up just short? It's like he wanted to leave Peyton Manning plenty of time to lead the Colts to the game winning FG. They should have let the clock run before kicking the FG or force the Colts to call their last timeout. Terrible call. Turner is gone.

[DeToxRox]

Why in the world did Norv Turner call a timeout right after the 3rd down play where they came up just short? It's like he wanted to leave Peyton Manning plenty of time to lead the Colts to the game winning FG. They should have let the clock run before kicking the FG or force the Colts to call their last timeout. Terrible call. Turner is gone.

He misses being an Offensive Coordinator.

[kcchief19]

San Diego has to be the best 4-7 football team in the history of the NFL. Personally, I think this is simply the Norv Factor finally fully kicking in -- this team should be 7-4. I can't really identify any specific bad calls by Turner that obviously say that it's Turner's fault, but let's face facts that Norv Turner teams have always achieved below the sum of their parts. They are simply exasperating ... they play the Chiefs and Colts to the wire -- that shouldn't be.

Who would have thought that after a very solid run when the AFC West almost always had a power team or three that it would be neck and neck with the NFC West for worst division in the NFL? I almost have to give the NFC West a slight nod because Denver has been handled by the both the Chiefs and the Raiders.

[bhlloy]

Welcome to the wonderful world of the San Diego Chokers. Play calling is bizarre, family is dysfunctional, the QB and defense puts up meaningless stats and always comes up short when the game is on the line, the star HB isn't even trying any more and everyone else on the team is horribly overrated (WTF happened to the best offensive line in the league?) That's before the refs start getting involved (did one of the officials have the Colts to score 20+ with the way they were handing out PI's on the second to last Indy drive?). At least we have all come to terms with it now :banghead:

And yes, Turner needs to go. I'll admit saying some unkind things about Marty, but we would kill for him back right now. Another great move by Smith/Spanos right there.

[yacovfb]

That's before the refs start getting involved (did one of the officials have the Colts to score 20+ with the way they were handing out PI's on the second to last Indy drive?).

The call on Cromartie was a good call. The call on Cooper (I think) on third down was an absolute phantom call. And then on the next 2nd down they have the quick whistle and call it incomplete when it looked like it easily could have been catch and fumble. They go down and get 3. Chargers lose by 3...:redface: :banghead:

But yes, I do agree...Norv sucks. It's a shame, since Rivera finally has the defense playing much, much better.

[ColtCrazy]

What a season. I would never have thought we'd be 7-4 after the start the Colts had. And to win four straight with teams like the Pats, Steelers, and Chargers. Amazing....damn the Colts for giving me this adrenaline when I have to get up at 5:30, but it's been an amazing run. I still think the D gives up too much and the running is inconsistent (but better than it was) but I'll ride this as long as I can.

Hats off to Adam Vinatieri. Amazing clutch kicker.

[Fighter of Foo]

Why in the world did Norv Turner call a timeout right after the 3rd down play where they came up just short? It's like he wanted to leave Peyton Manning plenty of time to lead the Colts to the game winning FG. They should have let the clock run before kicking the FG or force the Colts to call their last timeout. Terrible call. Turner is gone.

I thought I read/heard in the press conference that Norv didn't want the timeout there and someone on the field called for it.

[Lathum]

On the other hand though, today's game was that much more apparent what many of us also said that Jacobs was not the secret to the Giants success this year. They can and did roll over one of the better NFC teams today as well without him or Burress. They still got 87 yards of rushing today against one of the top 10 rushing defenses so far this season statswise.

You're crazy. 87 yards is half of what they average and with Jacobs last week they ran up 200 against Baltimore, so if anything my argument was supported.

[Lathum]

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[Lathum]

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[JAG]

You're crazy. 87 yards is half of what they average and with Jacobs last week they ran up 200 against Baltimore, so if anything my argument was supported.

Would they have beat the Cardinals yesterday with David Carr at QB and Brandon Jacobs healthy?

[Lathum]

Would they have beat the Cardinals yesterday with David Carr at QB and Brandon Jacobs healthy?

Hard for me to say since I didn't see the game. First Giants game I have missed in years. I went to the Seahawks game, that stadium is amazing. I am hoping to catch the game on NFL replay but my first inclination is probably not.

[Eaglesfan27]

So, I just listened to Reid's press conference from earlier this morning and apparently the McNabb era isn't over yet. Hopefully, the team can bounce back against Arizona on Thursday.

[molson]

So, I just listened to Reid's press conference from earlier this morning and apparently the McNabb era isn't over yet. Hopefully, the team can bounce back against Arizona on Thursday.

McNabb > Kolb

I think sometimes fans just want star players benched as a punitive measure for having a couple of bad games, not because of what might be best for the team.

[JAG]

Hard for me to say since I didn't see the game. First Giants game I have missed in years. I went to the Seahawks game, that stadium is amazing.

Very cool.

[Alan T]

You're crazy. 87 yards is half of what they average and with Jacobs last week they ran up 200 against Baltimore, so if anything my argument was supported.

That is not what you argued. I think everyone agrees that Jacobs is the best running back on the Giants, and obviously they would run less without him.

The point is even without him they can still beat one of the better teams in the NFC. Same can be said about Burress as well evidently.. since they beat Arizona without either of them.

I still say the Giants strength is due to their offensive line. (They also have a good defense too, but their offensive line is outstanding) That in no way is intended as a slam either on the Giants. The Cowboys won so many in the mid-90s because of their offensive line in my opinion as well. I don't really intend to start an argument with all of the Cowboys and Giants fans all ganging up on me together, but I feel when you have an offensive line that is -that- good, of course it will make your QB and RB look better.

[Eaglesfan27]

McNabb > Kolb

I think sometimes fans just want star players benched as a punitive measure for having a couple of bad games, not because of what might be best for the team.

I completely agree. I think McNabb is still one of the top QB's in the league. He has been hampered by poor offensive protection and issues with receivers. Yes, he has some accuracy issues at times, but he is not the biggest problem with the offense right now.

[Logan]

I completely agree. I think McNabb is still one of the top QB's in the league. He has been hampered by poor offensive protection and issues with receivers. Yes, he has some accuracy issues at times, but he is not the biggest problem with the offense right now.

He's gonna look pretty damn good in Minnesota next year.

[JeeberD]

Quentin Demps with the TD!!!

:)

[JeeberD]

Dola-

Johnnie Lee Higgins PR for a TD.

:)

[Raiders Army]

To change the words from Donovan McNabb: That was just a white on green crime.

Lance Moore for the 70 yard TD!

[Tigercat]

I am glad to see Lance Moore have a big game on on Monday night. He has been one of the most underrated players in the NFL this year, he deserves some spotlight.

[Jas_lov]

Bad special teams and bad defense for the Packers. I'm just glad the Packers didn't give up a TD there. Saints get the ball first in the 2nd half, so hopefully Crosby can get his kickoffs past the 25 yard line and the Packers can hold them to a FG. That seems to be their only hope.

[Jas_lov]

And they really need to fire Tony Kornheiser. All he's talked about is the game lasting too long and Brett Favre. You can tell that Jaws has no respect for him. He knows nothing about football, he's not funny, and he spouts more hyperboles than I do. Get rid of him already.

[sabotai]

Is Alan T's post possessed or something? Or am I the only one always seeing it at the end of the thread?

[DeToxRox]

Is Alan T's post possessed or something? Or am I the only one always seeing it at the end of the thread?

Ditto.

[Buccaneer]

Alan T jumped into his time machine and posted from the future (10:52pm MST). That's why he's not saying anything about tonight's game.

[DeToxRox]

M-V-P! M-V-P!

[Cringer]

Stupid ass general manager took a 13-3 team a killed it, that takes talent. The Packer defense is nothing but a joke, the offense might as well punt when it is third and long, and when the QB blows up we see how that helps things now.

I turned off the game, I won't finish watching this mess.

[Jas_lov]

Stupid ass general manager took a 13-3 team a killed it, that takes talent. The Packer defense is nothing but a joke, the offense might as well punt when it is third and long, and when the QB blows up we see how that helps things now.

I turned off the game, I won't finish watching this mess.

It's the same team buddy with the exception of one player. And if you compare Favre's stats last year to Rodgers this year they are probably similar. You're putting all the blame on Thompson and most of it should go on the defense. The defense is not nearly as good, some of it because of key injuries. The defense carried them last year when Favre had bad games.

[DeToxRox]

You cannot throw a pass more perfect then Brees just did to Colston on that TD.

[SFL Cat]

The Brett magic is gone...

Jets-Giants Super Bowl, anyone?

[Lathum]

The Brett magic is gone...

Jets-Giants Super Bowl, anyone?

I'm hoping for Giants-Indy

[Alan T]

Is Alan T's post possessed or something? Or am I the only one always seeing it at the end of the thread?

It is the only way that i can get the last word in on a discussion with Lathum about the Giants! :D

[Drake]

That tackle by Aaron Rodgers to prevent the pick six in the 3rd quarter was outstanding. I need to put that in a loop with a "Rock You Like a Hurricane" soundtrack.

[Jas_lov]

And I think you jumped ship on the season too early, Cringer. Look at Arles who jumped off then jumped back on and now he probably jumped off again.

The Packers will control the tiebreakers vs the Bears and Vikings if they beat the Bears in Chicago. They had to go 1-1 vs. New Orelans and Carolina and they can still do that. They seem to play better at home anyway. Get to 6-6 and maybe they can run the table vs. Houston, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Detroit. It's not that far fetched, although the defense will have to play much better.

[EagleFan]

So, I just listened to Reid's press conference from earlier this morning and apparently the McNabb era isn't over yet. Hopefully, the team can bounce back against Arizona on Thursday.

Another stupid move by Reid but that is getting to be the norm. If McNabb is starting this week there is no reason to pull him at the half. Once he pulled him he needed to be prepared to give Kolb the reigns. We need to find out if this kid can play before we have no other options and the remainder of this season is as good a time as any to try to find out. The Eagles are going nowhere this season with McNabb or not so why not try to a peak at your future.

McNabb's recent problems have been more than inaccuracy. When he has been inaccurate in the past it has been low and usually not in a position of being intercepted. Now he is not just inaccurate but making bad decisions with his throws.

Until Reid tries running the ball more than a handful of times a game it probably won't matter much.

Was it too hard to see the success they had under Garcia and the difference in their offensive approach? They ran the ball a lot and let Garcia manage the game and they won. As soon as McNabb came back it was back to an insane number of pass plays. You wear your offensive line out making them pass protect a lot. You wear the other team's defensive line out making them defend the run a lot.

[EagleFan]

WTF? Time warp.

[EagleFan]

Kind of had one of your arguments supported and a different one not supported all in the same game. Giants did roll as many expected over the Cards and it seems they likely should be the best team in the NFC playoffs this year. As long as they don't pull another boneheaded game such as they did vs the Browns they have a good shot.

On the other hand though, today's game was that much more apparent what many of us also said that Jacobs was not the secret to the Giants success this year. They can and did roll over one of the better NFC teams today as well without him or Burress. They still got 87 yards of rushing today against one of the top 10 rushing defenses so far this season statswise.

I have a feeling you will be saying this in under an hour.

[Cringer]

It's the same team buddy with the exception of one player. And if you compare Favre's stats last year to Rodgers this year they are probably similar. You're putting all the blame on Thompson and most of it should go on the defense. The defense is not nearly as good, some of it because of key injuries. The defense carried them last year when Favre had bad games.

It is not just one player, Jas. Look at your statement, the defense is the problem. Exactly. Would have been nice to have our starting DT Corey Williams return instead of trading him to Cleveland. But wait, Tammy Thompson drafted a DT in the first round last year so Williams has to go. It doesn't matter that Harrell is never healthy and didn't show anything last year when he was healthy. So what happens, Harrell misses most of this season and then doesn't do anything when he is. Big shocker. They didn't try to add anyone else to the d-line either, so that is all we have. Jenkins going down made those holes 100x bigger in the d-line. No d-line means crap defense most of the time and that is what has happened here. It's Kampman and that is it, a one man d-line. Although that chubby kid does knock a pass down once in a while.

Oh yeah, and Tammy Thompson didn't bring any new offensive linemen either, because the young guys we got are good enough. They are ready to break out. This is their year. Sure thing. ;) Ryan Grant holding out, which every time a RB does that leads to that RB being banged up and having a crappy year or start to the season. Thompson ended up giving him the money so maybe the hold out could have been avoided.

So yes, I put a lot of the blame on Thompson. McCarthy can have a share too though, since the team's little penalty problem (funny how that wasn't there tonight though) can be put on him. Thompson though, the d-line and o-line are all on him buddy and that is where this team blows.

Edit: I forgot to mention the punter this week. Cutting Ryan for Frost sucked when it happened. I didn't like it right away. Frost has been crap almost every week since, yet Thompson hasn't made any move to get rid of the guy. It's pathetic. Frost had a crap punt right away tonight to set up the Saints' second TD.

[Arles]

And I think you jumped ship on the season too early, Cringer. Look at Arles who jumped off then jumped back on and now he probably jumped off again.
After the Vikes loss, I felt GB was on the outside looking in for a playoff spot.
After the Bears win, I felt GB was on the outside looking in for a playoff spot.
After the Saints loss, I feel GB is on the outside looking in for a playoff spot.

Yeah, it's been quite the roller coaster ride for me this season :p

The Packers will control the tiebreakers vs the Bears and Vikings if they beat the Bears in Chicago. They had to go 1-1 vs. New Orelans and Carolina and they can still do that. They seem to play better at home anyway. Get to 6-6 and maybe they can run the table vs. Houston, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Detroit. It's not that far fetched, although the defense will have to play much better.
The division is so pathetic that GB still has a shot, but I still think the odds are against them. They can't really do anything consistently and you need an identity to rattle off 3-4 wins in a row. If 9-7 wins the north, GB has a chance. If 10-6 takes it, I can't see GB making the playoffs.

[Arles]

It is not just one player, Jas. Look at your statement, the defense is the problem. Exactly. Would have been nice to have our starting DT Corey Williams return instead of trading him to Cleveland. But wait, Tammy Thompson drafted a DT in the first round last year so Williams has to go. It doesn't matter that Harrell is never healthy and didn't show anything last year when he was healthy. So what happens, Harrell misses most of this season and then doesn't do anything when he is. Big shocker. They didn't try to add anyone else to the d-line either, so that is all we have. Jenkins going down made those holes 100x bigger in the d-line. No d-line means crap defense most of the time and that is what has happened here. It's Kampman and that is it, a one man d-line. Although that chubby kid does knock a pass down once in a while.

Oh yeah, and Tammy Thompson didn't bring any new offensive linemen either, because the young guys we got are good enough. They are ready to break out. This is their year. Sure thing. ;) Ryan Grant holding out, which every time a RB does that leads to that RB being banged up and having a crappy year or start to the season. Thompson ended up giving him the money so maybe the hold out could have been avoided.

So yes, I put a lot of the blame on Thompson. McCarthy can have a share too though, since the team's little penalty problem (funny how that wasn't there tonight though) can be put on him. Thompson though, the d-line and o-line are all on him buddy and that is where this team blows.
I've been a Thompson/McCarthy supporter and still think they made the right decision with Favre. But, their inability to get quality linemen (on both sides) has hurt this team. We haven't draft a tackle in the top 4 rounds in eons and I'm always terrified that one of Tauscher/Clifton will get hurt. Well, Clifton got hurt in the Minny game and Tauscher tonight. To be $20+ million under the cap going into the season (with a rookie QB) and decide to go with a converted guard (Tony Moll) and undrafted FA (Orrin Thompson) as your backup OTs is a joke.

[Alan T]

any doubt now that the Giants are the best team in the NFL by a large margin?

Kind of had one of your arguments supported and a different one not supported all in the same game. Giants did roll as many expected over the Cards and it seems they likely should be the best team in the NFC playoffs this year. As long as they don't pull another boneheaded game such as they did vs the Browns they have a good shot.

On the other hand though, today's game was that much more apparent what many of us also said that Jacobs was not the secret to the Giants success this year. They can and did roll over one of the better NFC teams today as well without him or Burress. They still got 87 yards of rushing today against one of the top 10 rushing defenses so far this season statswise.