NFL Week 17: It's the Final Countdown...

[SirFozzie]

Yeah, somewhat not good form by starting it before the Monday game, but they announced some Week 17 game time changes under the flex plan.

As expected, the Broncos-Chargers "Winner Takes the AFC West" game will be the Sunday Night game at 8:15

The Pats-Bills game will be at 1. If they win, they will be huddled around the TV afterwards as both games that can get them into the playoffs have been moved to 4:15 starts.

The Jets At the Dolphins will start at 4:15... if the Pats lose, this becomes a "Winner takes the AFC East" game.

The Jaguars at the Ravens will also be at 4:15, Baltimore makes the playoffs with a win.


On the NFC side:

Oakland @ Tampa Bay is at 1. Tampa Bay needs to win to have any shot. A Tampa win eliminates the Eagles. If the Bucs LOSE, however, then the Cowboys-Eagles (4:15) game is Winner Make the Playoffs. If the Bucs win, then the Cowboys need a win to get put in.

[Cringer]

Lions at Packers. Packers probably lose, just to top off our great season which I am sure will also see us lose to the Bears tonight.

[Suburban Rhythm]

You can't start this thread, with this title, and not include this.

YouTube - Europe - The Final Countdown (Live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IKcMl_a9A)

You're welcome

[Mustang]

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeVideoArt/27/222827.jpg



Movie >>> Europe

[JeeberD]

I have no idea which Cowboys team is going to show up...

[Kodos]

The crappy one? :)

[duckman]

The crappy one? :)
You mean like "the Jimmy Johnson-led Dolphins teams in the playoffs"? :p

[MIJB#19]

Still looking at playoff scenarios. I think I'm going to wait for MNF. That AFC picture was pretty clear and easy to figure out, but that NFC picture... Dallas, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Chicago and Philadelphia could setup for a couple of freak scenarios... It took a little bit too much time so far to make it worth the effort. ;)

[MIJB#19]

AFC playoffs clinch scenarios:

Miami Dolphins
* clinch AFC East with win (they secured tie-breakers over New England)
* clinch AFC East with tie + New England loss/tie
* clinch wild card with tie + Baltimore loss

New England Patriots
* clinch AFC East with win + Miami loss/tie
* clinch AFC East with tie + Miami loss
* clinch wild card with win + Miami win + Baltimore loss/tie
* clinch wild card with tie + Miami win/tie + Baltimore loss

New York Jets
* clinch AFC East with win + New England loss
* clinch wild card with win + New England win/tie + Baltimore loss

Pittsburgh Steelers
* clinched bye week as 2nd seed

Baltimore Ravens
* clinch wild card with win
* clinch wild card with tie + either Miami or New England loss/tie
* clinch wild card with New England loss (in this scenario either Miami finished 2nd (over whom the Ravens have head to head tie-breakers) or the Patriots)

Tennessee Titans
* clinched home field advantage

Indianapolis Colts
* clinched wild card and play at AFC West winner

Denver Broncos
* clinch AFC West with win/tie (vs San Diego)

San Diego Chargers
* clinch AFC West with win (over Denver)

[johneh]

Steelers 999
Browns (49)
(Browns get negative 49 because the scoreboard couldn't go any higher)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I have no idea which Cowboys team is going to show up...

Hopefully the crappy one.

Rooting for the Cowboys to lose so the Lions get a better draft pick is all I have left anymore really.

Go Eagles!

[Izulde]

Finally I'll get to watch a Dolphins game on TV. :)

Normally we go back to Racine on the 28th from up north, but this year we're heading back on the 29th so I can watch the Dolphins on the 28th.

I'll be geeked out in my Dolphins gear and cheering us on to a hopeful AFC East title!!!

[Suburban Rhythm]

Steelers 999
Browns (49)
(Browns get negative 49 because the scoreboard couldn't go any higher)

Starters will not play past the first quarter, meaningless game.

Steelers 997
Browns (42)

[MIJB#19]

NFC Playoffs scenarios

New York Giants
* clinched home field advantage

Dallas Cowboys
* clinch wild card with win
* clinch wild card with tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago or Minnesota tie
* clinch wild card with tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago or Minnesota loss
(the last two scenarios are not cummulative because of Tampa Bay winning a three-way tie at 9-6-1 all)

Philadelphia Eagles
* clinch wild card with win + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago or Minnesota loss
(Philadelphia has losing tie-breakers to all three wild card rivals)

Minnesota Vikins
* clinch NFC North with win
* clinch NFC North with tie + Chicago loss/tie
* clinch NFC North with loss + Chicago loss
* clinch wild card with tie + Chicago win + Philadelphia win + Tampa Bay loss
(Minnesota only goes into the wild card hunt with a tie and can only take it if they're only tied to Philadelphia)

Chicago Bears
* clinch NFC North with win + Minnesota loss/tie
* clinch NFC North with tie + Minnesota loss
* clinch wild card with win + Minnesota win + Dallas loss/tie + Tampa Bay loss/tie
* clinch wild card with tie + Minnesota win/tie + Philadelphia win + Tampa Bay loss/tie
(Chicago only wins the division by doing better than Minnesota; the wild card is only their's if they end up untied (unless it's just Atlanta), or just tied with Philadelphia)

Carolina Panthers
* clinched wild card
* clinch NFC South with win/tie or Atlanta loss/tie

Atlanta Falcons
* clinched wild card
* clinch NFC South with win + Carolina loss
(fall back to 6th seeds if they lose and Dallas wins)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
* clinch wild card with win + Dallas loss/tie
* clinch wild card with tie + Dallas tie + Minnesota tie +Chicago win
* clinch wild card with tie + Dallas tie + Minnesota win +Chicago tie
* clinch wild card with tie + Philadelphia win + Minnesota or Chicago loss/tie
(if 10-6, they have tie-breakers over Chicago, but not over Dallas; if 9-6-1, they have tie-breakers in all 3-way ties, plus in a 2-way tie with Philadelphia)

Arizona Cardinals
* clinched NFC West as 4th seed

[Greyroofoo]

I wonder if Brett will be giving the Lions any advice again.

[EagleFan]

Lousy Eagles, the NFC playoff picture could have been much clearer if they beat Washington last week.

Sadly we probably get more Andy "isn't the running game against the rules" Reid as the excuse will be "We came so close and a couple of breaks would have gotten us in".

(Sorry, still pissed off from that loss. I have never been so angry at a loss before in my life.)

[Thomkal]

I'm just glad so many teams have playoff hopes still. It will make this last week of games a lot of fun to watch.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I fear this scenario.

Tampa beats Oakland. Oakland stinks and Tampa has the playoffs in their sights.

That game is over before the Eagles/Cowboys game, so the Eagles are deflated and go out and play spiritless game and the Cowboys win.

That would be sad.

[MIJB#19]

Here's another way to look at the entire NFL's playoffs scenarios. Early games are listed before late games, with the exception for the Dallas Cowboys, where early results only become interesting if the game against Philadelphia ends up tied.

Arizona Cardinals
Arizona win/loss/tie => win division

Atlanta Falcons
Atlanta win + Carolina loss => bye week
Atlanta win + Carolina win/tie => wild card, play at Arizona
Atlanta tie => wild card, play at Arizona
Atlanta loss + Dallas loss/tie => wild card, play at Arizona
Atlanta loss + Dallas win => wild card, play at NFC North champion

Baltimore Ravens
New England loss => wild card
New England tie + Baltimore win/tie => wild card
New England tie + Baltimore loss => no playoffs
New England win + Baltimore win => wild card
New England win + Baltimore tie + Miami loss/tie => wild card
New England win + Baltimore tie + Miami win => no playoffs
New England win + Baltimore loss => no playoffs

Carolina Panthers
Carolina win/tie => bye week
Carolina loss + Atlanta loss/tie => bye week
Carolina loss + Atlanta win => wild card, play at Arizona

Chicago Bears
Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => win division
Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay loss/tie + Philadelphia win/tie => wild card
Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay win => no playoffs
Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => win division
Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay win/tie + Philadelphia win => no playoffs
Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Philadelphia loss/tie => no playoffs
Chicago loss => no playoffs

Dallas Cowboys
Dallas win + Atlanta loss => wild card, pay at Arizona
Dallas win + Atlanta win/tie => wild card, play at NFC North champion
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss/tie => wild card
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => wild card
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota win => no playoffs
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss => wild card
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => wild card
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota loss => wild card
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs
Dallas tie + Tampa Bay win => no playoffs
Dallas loss => no playoffs

Denver Broncos
win/tie => win division
loss => miss playoffs

Indianapolis Colts
win/loss/tie => wild card, play at AFC West champion

Miami Dolphins
New England loss/tie + Miami win/tie => win division
New England loss/tie + Miami loss => no playoffs
New England win + Miami win => win division
New England win + Miami tie + Baltimore loss => wild card
New England win + Miami tie + Baltimore win/tie => no playoffs
New England win + Miami loss => no playoffs

Minnesota Vikins
Minnesota win => win division
Minnesota tie + Chicago loss/tie => win division
Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay loss + Dallas win/tie => no playoffs
Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs
Minnesota loss + Chicago loss => win division
Minnesota loss + Chicago win/tie => no playoffs

New England Patriots
New England win + Miami loss/tie => win division
New England win + Miami win + Baltimore loss/tie => wild card
New England win + Miami win + Baltimore win => no playoffs
New England tie + Miami loss => win division
New England tie + Miami win/tie + Baltimore loss => wild card
New England tie + Miami win/tie + Baltimore win/tie => no playoffs
New England loss => no playoffs

New York Giants
NY Giants win/loss/tie => home field advantage

New York Jets
New England loss + NY Jets win => win division
New England loss + NY Jets tie/loss => no playoffs
New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore loss => wild card
New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore win/tie => no playoffs
New England win/tie + NY Jets tie/loss => no playoffs

Philadelphia Eagles
Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia loss/tie => no playoffs
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss + Philadelphia loss/tie => no playoffs

Pittsburgh Steelers
Pittsburgh win/loss/tie => bye week

San Diego Chargers
San Diego win => win division
San Diego loss/tie => miss playoffs

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tampa Bay win + Dallas loss/tie => wild card
Tampa Bay win + Dallas win => no playoffs
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss + Dallas win => no playoffs
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss + Dallas win => no playoffs
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie + Philadelphia win/tie => wild card
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie + Dallas win => no playoffs
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia win => wild card
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota tie + Philadelphia win/tie => wild card
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota tie + Dallas win => no playoffs
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota win => no playoffs
Tampa Bay loss => no playoffs

Tennessee Titans
win/loss/tie => home field advantage

[Lathum]

Bears are probably screwed because I doubt the Giants play many starters, and no way is Jacobs seeing much action, if any.

[Matthean]

You can't start this thread, with this title, and not include this.

YouTube - Europe - The Final Countdown (Live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IKcMl_a9A)

You're welcome

Bah. A much better version.

YouTube - The Final Countdown... LIVE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8sNoodIDk&feature=related)

[Radii]

ESPN - Wes Welker of New England Patriots fined $10K by NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3792441)

"The NFL told the newspaper that Welker was fined for "unsportsmanlike conduct for participation in an illegal demonstration by going to the ground.""

... ugh. A 15 yard penalty is bad enough, but a $10,000 fine for making a snow angel?

[SirFozzie]

ESPN - Wes Welker of New England Patriots fined $10K by NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3792441)

"The NFL told the newspaper that Welker was fined for "unsportsmanlike conduct for participation in an illegal demonstration by going to the ground.""

... ugh. A 15 yard penalty is bad enough, but a $10,000 fine for making a snow angel?

Bloody Stupid, that's what it is.

BTW, I know this is not going to be warmly received, but I really think Belichick should get the Coach of the Year award. Not just for losing Brady, but here's a stat for you.

Only three teams have more players with at least one start in the NFL, then the Patriots

(Top 5 teams ranked by number of starters and their record)

1. Seattle Seahawks (46) (4-11)
T2. Cincinatti Bengals (45) (3-11-1)
T2. Detroit Lions (45) (0-15)
T4. New England Patriots (42) (10-5)
T4. New Orleans Saints (42) 8-7

[Apathetic Lurker]

My head hurts

[EagleFan]

Bah. A much better version.

YouTube - The Final Countdown... LIVE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8sNoodIDk&feature=related)

WTF?

[EagleFan]

ESPN - Wes Welker of New England Patriots fined $10K by NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3792441)

"The NFL told the newspaper that Welker was fined for "unsportsmanlike conduct for participation in an illegal demonstration by going to the ground.""

... ugh. A 15 yard penalty is bad enough, but a $10,000 fine for making a snow angel?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The rules are pretty straight forward where that is concerned. You go to the ground to celebrate you get fined. There is no "snow angel" clause. He could have gone to the sideline and done that all he wanted but not in the field of play.

[EagleFan]

Bloody Stupid, that's what it is.

BTW, I know this is not going to be warmly received, but I really think Belichick should get the Coach of the Year award. Not just for losing Brady, but here's a stat for you.

Only three teams have more players with at least one start in the NFL, then the Patriots

(Top 5 teams ranked by number of starters and their record)

1. Seattle Seahawks (46) (4-11)
T2. Cincinatti Bengals (45) (3-11-1)
T2. Detroit Lions (45) (0-15)
T4. New England Patriots (42) (10-5)
T4. New Orleans Saints (42) 8-7

Here's a kleenex, go cry the river elsewhere...

:devil:

[Pumpy Tudors]

MIJB, how the heck do you come up with all those scenarios? What are you using to generate these? That's awesome.

[SirFozzie]

Here's a kleenex, go cry the river elsewhere...

:devil:


How bout I attach some barbwire to it, and shove it where the (christmas season censoring. Tis the season to be jolly and all that crap)

Where was I crying. I was just saying that Belichick had a better year then most would expect, with injuries that would have hurt a lot more teams worse :P

[MIJB#19]

MIJB, how the heck do you come up with all those scenarios? What are you using to generate these? That's awesome.Thanks.

I use nothing but Notepad (to write in), some website's standings and schedules (used Yahoo!'s as that site loads relatively fast on my old laptop, compared to NFL's). It helps if the standings include divisional and intraconference records, because they come to play at times. That and my own brain to forsee possible scenarios.

The whole breakdown making is something I like doing and have built quite the experience with it through FOF MP leagues. It helped me in finding tricks to quickly figure out common games tie-breakers and seeing other trends. Sometimes I write out stuff, but having built experience really helped to be able to do it relatively quickly.

If the NFL would get rid of ties, that would make things a bit easier. Although, this season the Eagles tied game and their week 17 clash with Dallas eliminated dozens of scenarios between potential 9-7 teams in the NFC wild card race. :D

[miami_fan]

Where the hell did all this Bronco hate by the Chargers come from?

[larrymcg421]

I'd be annoyed about the scheduling if I was a Pats fan. If they win at 1pm, then the Jets don't have much motivation to beat Miami at 4:15pm.

[Logan]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The rules are pretty straight forward where that is concerned. You go to the ground to celebrate you get fined. There is no "snow angel" clause. He could have gone to the sideline and done that all he wanted but not in the field of play.

But you can go to the ground, pray, point to the sky, etc and that's all cool.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Some random thoughts from a Broncos fan:

After enduring the past few subpar years, it would be kinda nice to see the Broncos return to the playoffs, but they really don't deserve to be there. Of course, I'll be cheering for my favorite team on Sunday night, but the Chargers deserve it a little more than the Broncos do. Hell, if Hochuli doesn't blow that call early in the season (and all other results had been the same), the Chargers would've clinched by now. I honestly won't be very upset if the Chargers win on Sunday, as the Colts would probably go into Denver and blow out the Broncos in the playoffs anyway. The Chargers are more likely to give Indy a good game.

It's embarrassing that Denver could make the playoffs with a 4-2 divisional record in the AFC West (and it should be 3-3). The Chargers have taken care of business within their own division, so with all other things being equal, they really should be in.

I guess it's easy for me to say these things because it's not a terrible situation for Broncos fans either way. If Denver wins, playoff time. If Denver loses, they didn't deserve it anyway. I feel bad for Chargers fans in a way because their team has been competitive or dominant in almost every game, yet their season comes down to having to beat a team that they should've already gotten a win against.

Oh, well. Go Broncos anyway.

[gstelmack]

I'd be annoyed about the scheduling if I was a Pats fan. If they win at 1pm, then the Jets don't have much motivation to beat Miami at 4:15pm.

New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore loss => wild card

See above.

But I do love how the "Favre is thinking about not returning next year" stories have already started, and I'd love to see the Jets have given up the picks they did for one season that ends without a playoff bid...

[miked]

New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore loss => wild card

See above.

But I do love how the "Favre is thinking about not returning next year" stories have already started, and I'd love to see the Jets have given up the picks they did for one season that ends without a playoff bid...

I love the Jets and wished they never let Pennington go, but if they don't make the playoffs, isn't it just a 4th rounder? I wish we kept Chad and our 4th rounder, but I don't see it as a total bust. I think having Favre there really did help Thomas Jones get going, but I'm not sure Chad would've had the same success he's had in Miami.

[gstelmack]

It cost the Jets a conditional fourth-round pick in 2009, but the pick will escalate to a first-rounder if Favre appears in 80% of the plays and the Jets make it to the Super Bowl, according to a league source. The pick could be a second- or third-rounder depending on Favre's playing time and the Jets' performance.

So yeah, definitely a fourth, maybe more, don't know what the specifics of playing time / performance are.

[EagleFan]

I'd be annoyed about the scheduling if I was a Pats fan. If they win at 1pm, then the Jets don't have much motivation to beat Miami at 4:15pm.

Stop giving them more reasons to whine!!!

:devil:

[DeToxRox]

Just an interesting note for Week 17 ..

Since Hyzuinga is selling the Fins, Parcells has 30 days to opt out of his contract and get paid remaining monies since his deal stipulated if the team was sold at any time he could leave.

Should be interesting to see if he decides to do it.

[molson]

Just an interesting note for Week 17 ..

Since Hyzuinga is selling the Fins, Parcells has 30 days to opt out of his contract and get paid remaining monies since his deal stipulated if the team was sold at any time he could leave.

Should be interesting to see if he decides to do it.

It seems like an easy decision to leave.

He gets his entire contract, paid in full, no strings attached. So if he stays, he's basically working for free.

[SirFozzie]

Wow. This is going to be a three yards and a wind gust of dirt game in Buffallo. Apaprently the wind is so bad that Buffalo, against the wind, has decided not to throw at all.

[molson]

Wow. This is going to be a three yards and a wind gust of dirt game in Buffallo. Apaprently the wind is so bad that Buffalo, against the wind, has decided not to throw at all.

I think short passing is still possible - that's something of an advantage for the Pats (I think still Cassell is dreadful throwing deep, and he's going to crash hard with some other team next year - assuming Brady can come back).

[DeToxRox]

It seems like an easy decision to leave.

He gets his entire contract, paid in full, no strings attached. So if he stays, he's basically working for free.

Yep. As a Lions fan I can only hope Old Man Ford realizes the gift this could be. Parcells was rumored to have called in 2000 before Millen was named President to say he was interested because he has a lot of respect for Ford and would love to work under him.

The problem is Ford is stubborn and doesn't want to fire Lewand and Mayhew, but if that's what it'd take for Parcells, you have to do it.

Anyway, I think at the end of the day Parcells opts out and gets like 6 mil per year from the Dolphins to stay.

[molson]

It sure is quiet in here for week 17.....

[SirFozzie]

Well, a lot of the usuals have 4:15 games, Molson. :)

[MIJB#19]

Early games clinch scenarios - as far as I'm aware of - are listed below, with bold meaning a succesful clinch scenario and italic meaning a 'stay alive' scenario:

Atlanta Falcons
Atlanta win + Carolina loss => bye week
Atlanta win + Carolina win/tie => wild card, play at Arizona
Atlanta tie => wild card, play at Arizona
Atlanta loss => alive for wild card, play at Arizona, but need Dallas loss/tie *
Atlanta loss => alive for wild card, play at NFC North Champion, but need Dallas win *
* Atlanta already clinched a wild card, it's just a decission between 5th and 6th seed that's undecided

Baltimore Ravens
New England loss => wild card
New England win/tie => alive for wild card

Carolina Panthers
Carolina win/tie => bye week
Carolina loss + Atlanta loss/tie => bye week
Carolina loss + Atlanta win => wild card, play at Arizona

Chicago Bears
Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => win division
Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay loss/tie => alive for wild card
Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay win => no playoffs
Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => win division
Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay loss => alive for wild card
Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs
Chicago loss => no playoffs

Dallas Cowboys
Atlanta loss => alive for wild card, play at Arizona, but need win
Atlanta win/tie => alive for wild card, play at NFC North champion, but need one of the other clinch scenarios listed below
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss/tie => alive for wild card, but need win/tie
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => alive for wild card, but need win/tie
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota win => alive for wild card, but need win
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss => alive for wild card, but need win/tie
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need win/tie
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie => alive for wild card, but need win
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need win/tie
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota win/tie => alive for wild card, but need win
Tampa Bay win => alive for wild card, but need win

Miami Dolphins
New England loss/tie => alive for division, but need win/tie
New England win => alive for division, but need win
New England win => alive for wild card, but need tie + Baltimore loss

Minnesota Vikins
Minnesota win => win division
Minnesota tie + Chicago loss/tie => win division
Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay loss => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win
Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs
Minnesota loss + Chicago loss => win division
Minnesota loss + Chicago win/tie => no playoffs

New England Patriots
New England win => alive for division, but need Miami loss/tie
New England win => alive for wild card, but need Baltimore loss/tie win (+ Miami win)
New England tie => alive for division, but need Miami loss
New England tie => alive for wild card, but need Baltimore loss (+ Miami win/tie)
New England loss => no playoffs

New York Jets
New England loss => alive for division, but need win
New England win/tie => alive for wild card, but need win + Baltimore loss

Philadelphia Eagles
Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need win
Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss => alive for wild card, but need win

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tampa Bay win => alive for wild card, but need Dallas loss/tie
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win/tie
Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota tie => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win/tie
Tampa Bay loss => no playoffs

[Eaglesfan27]

I never thought I'd be rooting for the Raiders.

[SirFozzie]

29 Rushes, 4 Passes between the two teams in the Pats game. Holy shit.

[molson]

29 Rushes, 4 Passes between the two teams in the Pats game. Holy shit.

And the goalposts are completely crooked....They have a guy out there with a ladder, that's a good sign....

And the Pats miss from 26....Both FGs and the forward pass may be off the table.

[Buccaneer]

Don't think I have ever read this before

Temporary delay to re-align goalposts (shifted in wind).

[SirFozzie]

Wow. 26 yard field goal ends up outside the freaking net because of the wind.

[Cringer]

Go Lions Go! :D

Yes, I am pretty much drunk right now and rooting against the Packers. I never knew there was an Ale that was 10% alcohol.

[DeToxRox]

HECKERT TO DETROIT?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 28, 2008, 1:44 p.m.

With G.M. Martin Mayhew and COO Tom Lewand likely to stay put in Detroit (to the absolute delight of long-suffering Lions fans), a name that has surfaced as a potential candidate to join the front office is Eagles G.M. Tom Heckert.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Heckert could indeed be heading to Detroit.

Last year, Heckert was a finalist for the G.M. position in Atlanta, and he actually received a recommendation for the position from Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie.

Two years earlier, the Eagles scrambled to persuade Heckert not to join former Philly offensive coordinator Brad Childress in Minnesota, giving Heckert the G.M. title and, presumably, more money.

But now that Howie Roseman has acquired a stronger voice in the organization, the Eagles seem to be willing to let Heckert walk.

With Heckert, the Lions could have a Vikings-style “triangle of authority,” which has worked well enough to not yet deliver a playoff appearance in Minnesota.

[DeToxRox]

Dola .. I only would endorse Heckert to Detroit if it meant he brought Spagnaulo with him.

[Buccaneer]

Is that right? The Colts have a ToP of 24 min. and Titans 3? Is that some kind of record?

[molson]

The Bills smurfed that up.....

They kind of scuffled around and got in shoving matches as the half ended, blowing a chance at a last play...

And there were whistles blowing...yet the clock ticked down....And the RB ran off the field with the ball for some reason instead of trying to set it for another play.

Weird.

[SirFozzie]

Wow, WTF was that?

[Eaglesfan27]

Andre Johnson working hard to become my favorite non-Eagle ;)

[Radii]

Carolina has been dominant vs the Saints today. They struggled in the red zone early, only up 9-3 after their first 3 possessions. They break it open with a touchdown to go up 16-3, then return a fumble on the next kickoff for another TD to blow it open. 23-3 Panthers now with just a little time left in the first half.

[molson]

I actually want the Eagles to make the playoffs to spite the idiot Eagle fans that were calling for Kolb. Of course they'll all be back in McNabb's corner again, but that's kind of been his relationship with them....I wish he could have spent his career somewhere else.

[MIJB#19]

Is that right? The Colts have a ToP of 24 min. and Titans 3? Is that some kind of record?What did you expect? It's pre-post-season for both of them.

[SirFozzie]

Anyone watching the Pittsburgh game? Getting a report that Big Ben is hurt seriously. What happened?

[DeToxRox]

Anyone watching the Pittsburgh game? Getting a report that Big Ben is hurt seriously. What happened?

No brakes.

[DeToxRox]

Wonder why the Lions will be 0-16?

3rd and 15 for GB with 1:20 left, Lions have 2 TO, they don't call one. GB picks up 7, and Lions still don't call a TO.

Pack run the clock off and boom a punt and Lions run up the middle and leave the field.

0-15 and you have two timeouts plus the ball at the half and you don't try and do something?

[Radii]

Colston makes a very good catch for a TD with 40 seconds left in the half to cut the Panther lead to 23-10.

[SirFozzie]

Anyone watching the Pittsburgh game? Getting a report that Big Ben is hurt seriously. What happened?

watched it on Tivo. Looks like two browns hit him, one basicly jumping on top of him while he was falling back, and his head hit first. Concussion maybe?

[Radii]

Anyone watching the Pittsburgh game? Getting a report that Big Ben is hurt seriously. What happened?

Just switched to the game on sunday ticket. No info on the play yet but he's being immobilized. They just said he's been down on the field for 13 minutes and is just now being put on a stretcher.

[EagleFan]

I never thought I'd be rooting for the Raiders.

What he said...

[DeToxRox]

Mason Crosby just missed a 69 yard free kick to end the half. He could've made kicking with the wind, probably with 5 yards to spare, but kicking against it he didn't have much chance. I was shocked he came as close as he did.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Immobilized, facemask taken off his helmet, and put on a stretcher.

Roethlisberger gives the crowd a thumbs up though as he's taken off the field.

Watching the replays, the back of his head slams the field pretty hard.

[Eaglesfan27]

I actually want the Eagles to make the playoffs to spite the idiot Eagle fans that were calling for Kolb. Of course they'll all be back in McNabb's corner again, but that's kind of been his relationship with them....I wish he could have spent his career somewhere else.

I've always been behind McNabb, and I'm willing to bet this is true of a significant percentage of Eagles' fans. It's just his detractors are generally more vocal. In my opinion, he is the best QB the Eagles have ever had, and I will be very sad whenever his era ends, and hope that it isn't after this year.

[hoopsguy]

Bears are probably screwed because I doubt the Giants play many starters, and no way is Jacobs seeing much action, if any.

Bears are probably screwed because the Texans are taking care of business after spotting Chicago a ten point lead.

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn Giants going to David Carr. :(

[SirFozzie]

Holy shit, they threw one of them there forward pass things!

It'll never catch on :)

[EagleFan]

Looks like the real Raiders came out to start the second half. Can;t hold on to an interception, give up a big touchdown play, nearly fumble away the kickoff...

[Hurst2112]

God the Bears suck. Makes me mad (anti-vikings fan).

[DeToxRox]

Calvin Johnson scores his 2nd TD of the game to tie it up (assuming the XP is made) at 14 all.

Megatron is no doubt the best WR after the catch in the NFL. He does the same things Steve Smith does with the ball in his hands, except he's 6'5" and 240 lbs. It's absurd.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Touchdown Lions? WTF?

[Racer]

watched it on Tivo. Looks like two browns hit him, one basicly jumping on top of him while he was falling back, and his head hit first. Concussion maybe?

CBS just reported Roethlisberger has a concussion.

[DeToxRox]

I am also going to take this time to say that next season Megatron officially becomes the best WR in the NFL.

He has 70 grabs, 1200 yards and 12 TD as of right now on an 0-15 in which 5 different QB's have thrown him passes.

That is absurd.

[DeToxRox]

Dola - And he's doing it now with his #2 WR as John Standeford and his #3 WR as Kerry Colbert.

[SirFozzie]

CBS just reported Roethlisberger has a concussion.

How big a fine/suspension for the Brown who left his feet and landed on top of him? $10K? $25K? 1-2 games?

[EagleFan]

Wow, that was a hell of a punt. 69 yards with a 5.3 second hang time.

[Hurst2112]

How big a fine/suspension for the Brown who left his feet and landed on top of him? $10K? $25K? 1-2 games?

watching hockey? :D

i wasn't aware there was a penalty for leavin your feet. Although, it is the NFL so I'm guessing there could be something written up on the back of a matchbook or something.

[Hurst2112]

homer dome is qui-et

[Karlifornia]

Immobilized, facemask taken off his helmet, and put on a stretcher.

Roethlisberger gives the crowd a thumbs up though as he's taken off the field.

Watching the replays, the back of his head slams the field pretty hard.


Injured Player Gives Thumbs-Down While Being Carted Off Field
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Injured-PlayerR.jpg

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I am also going to take this time to say that next season Megatron officially becomes the best WR in the NFL.

He has 70 grabs, 1200 yards and 12 TD as of right now on an 0-15 in which 5 different QB's have thrown him passes.

That is absurd.

Yeah... just think how his stats would look if the Lions can get a 6th QB in there.

[EagleFan]

WTF? Are the Raiders playing with about 9 men on defense? Their coverage sure looks like it.

[SirFozzie]

watching hockey? :D

i wasn't aware there was a penalty for leavin your feet. Although, it is the NFL so I'm guessing there could be something written up on the back of a matchbook or something.


You can't leave your feet to hit a player who can't defend himself (The Rodney Harrison Rule).

I love it, short FG goes through the goalposts, and then skids all the way outside the net.

[Dr. Sak]

The Raiders need to harness the power of jbmagic and win!! The Raiders are looking good in Week 17!

[EagleFan]

The Raiders need to harness the power of jbmagic and win!! The Raiders are looking good in Week 17!

Funnel that positive thinking. We need to will it to happen. :)

[SirFozzie]

That should do it in Boofaloo

[EagleFan]

Damn!!!

[molson]

That should do it in Boofaloo

11-5 without Brady and all the injuries is pretty remarkable.

How many losses did the Brady injury end up costing them? 1? 2?

[yacovfb]

Might as well add the "can't challenge the spot if the play didn't result in a first down" to the horrible rules thread. Texans get an extra 2 yards on the spot to set up 4th and inches, rather than 4th and 2 or 3. They go for it and get it...time to see if the Bears can hold.

[molson]

Love it - Matt Cassell with a 57-yard quick quick punt to the 1 yard line on 3rd down...

[SirFozzie]

Hahahaha! Cassell with a 57 yard Quick Kick that rolls like the last 15-20 yards due to the wind. downed at the 1.

[Hurst2112]

good job T-Jack

[EagleFan]

Thus ends the Eagles' season.

Hopefully they leave it all on the field today to at least keep the Cow$%^ers out of the playoffs.

[bhlloy]

Maybe if the AFC punter doesn't go to the Pro Bowl, Cassell can make it at that position instead? Must be nice to finish the year with a 57 yard net average :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Thus ends the Eagles' season.

Hopefully they leave it all on the field today to at least keep the Cow$%^ers out of the playoffs.


Yep. Hopefully, they can at least finish strong. Although, Oakland just got creative and had a big play to give me a small glimmer of hope.

[EagleFan]

Maybe I spoke too soon. Hopefully I spoke too soon.

[Eaglesfan27]

That sucks for Carnell "Cadillac" Williams, looks like he may have hurt his knee again.

[Coffee Warlord]

Bears are dead.

[MrDNA]

Browns set the record for quarters played w/o an offensive touchdown. I love when my team makes the news!

[Philliesfan980]

That sucks for Carnell "Cadillac" Williams, looks like he may have hurt his knee again.

Yeah, the worst part about the whole thing was CBS had the boom mic guy right around that area where Williams got tackled, and you could literally hear him scream in pain. You've got to feel for the guy - if it's the same knee, his career is probably over.

[Eaglesfan27]

YES! Bucs fail to convert a 4th and 4. Now, we just need Oakland to score.

[Eaglesfan27]

Michael Bush with a 67 yard TD!!!!

[Philliesfan980]

Why did the Raiders draft McFadden again?

[EagleFan]

Yeah!!!!! Now if the defense can come up big.

[Karlifornia]

Holy shit! TD Raiders!

[SackAttack]

Packers go up 10 on the Lions with 8 and change remaining.

Who thought we'd see a 16-0 regular season get followed the next year by an 0-16 regular season when neither had happened before?

[Philliesfan980]

Tampa's horrible, they might have worse playcalling than the Eagles. Throw a 3 yard pass on 4th and 4? Comon.

Jeff Garcia looks completely washed up.

[Eaglesfan27]

Oakland with an interception!!!

[EagleFan]

Interception Raiders!!!! Holy #$%^!!!

[Karlifornia]

INT Raiders

[Philliesfan980]

At first glance, it looks like his second foot landed out of bounds.

*edit Is there a bigger oil-water announcing combo than Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon? They seem to hate each other.

[Lathum]

The Vikings don't look like a team that wants to win this game.

[MIJB#19]

I'm surprised how bad the teams with something to play for are doing today. Minnesota trailing, Chicago trailing, Tampa Bay trailing, Atlanta failing to destroy St. Louis and now Carolina starting to choke a huge lead. Only New England managed to do what needs to be done, so far.

[Eaglesfan27]

No way is there any convincing evidence to overturn that call. He has the ball securely in his hands while his right foot is still down before he even takes the 1st step.

[EagleFan]

At first glance, it looks like his second foot landed out of bounds.

*edit Is there a bigger oil-water announcing combo than Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon? They seem to hate each other.

Don't rain on my parade. It has to be in bounds, it HAS to.... ;)

[EagleFan]

Good ruling ref!!!

[Lathum]

So if the Vikings lose the game today who gets the home game?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Matt Ryan picked a heck of an odd time to turn back into a rookie QB.

[Eaglesfan27]

Keep giving it to Bush.. crap, hopefully he is right back in the game.

[hoopsguy]

Thus ends the Eagles' season.

Hopefully they leave it all on the field today to at least keep the Cow$%^ers out of the playoffs.

These things happen when you tie the Bengals and lose to the Deadskins. But at least Philly still has bitterness to play for ...

[molson]

So if the Vikings lose the game today who gets the home game?

Still the Vikings as division champs, assuming the Texans hold on and beat Chicago.

[Radii]

Carolina just lost a 30-10 lead. I'm going to be sick.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, perhaps I should check the scores before gloating, rather than relying on depressed posts in thread :rant:

[Radii]

31-30 saints with 3:11 to go. Brees is now about 16 yards away from the passing record.

[Eaglesfan27]

These things happen when you tie the Bengals and lose to the Deadskins. But at least Philly still has bitterness to play for ...


Keep reading, Philly is back in it and Michael Bush has taken the lead as my new favorite non-Eagle. :D

[bhlloy]

What a historic choke job by the Bucs. Unbelievable.

[Philliesfan980]

As an Eagles fan, I desperately want the Eagles to lose today. A change needs to be made, and nothing's going to happen if they sneak in to the wild card.

[Radii]

GOD DAMN I love Steve Smith so much. Leaping catch in double coverage to keep a drive going. Delhomme limping after getting hit though.

[Lathum]

Does Carolina still get a first round bye if they lose or does someone else have a shot at that?

[molson]

As an Eagles fan, I desperately want the Eagles to lose today. A change needs to be made, and nothing's going to happen if they sneak in to the wild card.

If the change is Kolb, you would have been better off winning.

[hoopsguy]

As an Eagles fan, I desperately want the Eagles to lose today. A change needs to be made, and nothing's going to happen if they sneak in to the wild card.

Join the dark side, if only for a day. Root for the Cowboys :devil:

[molson]

Does Carolina still get a first round bye if they lose or does someone else have a shot at that?

Falcons get if they win (along with a Carolina loss)

[Radii]

Does Carolina still get a first round bye if they lose or does someone else have a shot at that?

If they lose they likely don't even win the division now that Atlanta is beating St Louis.

[Lathum]

Thanks for the info guys, I have been at my inlaws all week with very limited computer/TV time to read up on the scenerios

[Karlifornia]

The Vikings with "Miami circa last night" clock management.

[SirFozzie]

Be nice for Brees to get another 17 yards and set the single season passing record.

[Karlifornia]

As an Eagles fan, I desperately want the Eagles to lose today. A change needs to be made, and nothing's going to happen if they sneak in to the wild card.

LOL...I'm a Niners fan, and I'd trade you positions in a heartbeat. Sometimes you just don't know what you got, till it's gone.

[bhlloy]

Went back and read MIJB's predictions and I'm still not sure. Who gets the wild-cards if Chicago and Tampa lose? Dallas and Philly with an Eagles win, Dallas and Tampa with an Eagles loss?

[Philliesfan980]

If the change is Kolb, you would have been better off winning.

No, that's not the play either. I would agree that Kolb most likely isn't the answer.

We need to clean house and rebuild. I'm okay with a few 5-11 seasons to get some fresh blood in here. We're old in so many key positions, that I think its time.

[Eaglesfan27]

As an Eagles fan, I desperately want the Eagles to lose today. A change needs to be made, and nothing's going to happen if they sneak in to the wild card.

I just don't get this. We've had two of our top WR's banged up all year. We've had our best offensive linemen out for the year, yet the team is in contention for the playoffs. Reid is a heck of a coach, even with his distractions, and McNabb is a great QB. Eventually, this team will have to be rebuilt, but next year isn't that time. If Andrews can get his problems behind him, Curtis and crew can stay healthy, and they have a good draft, then the Eagles could be dangerous next year. Heck, they could surprise a team or two in the playoffs this year.

However, if they show up flat with everything that has happened to keep them alive, then I agree with you that some changes need to be made.

[Radii]

huge powerful 9 yard run from DeAngelo Williams to get Carolina down to the Saints 21 to make the upcoming FG attempt much simpler.

[Radii]

Went back and read MIJB's predictions and I'm still not sure. Who gets the wild-cards if Chicago and Tampa lose? Dallas and Philly with an Eagles win, Dallas and Tampa with an Eagles loss?

Atlanta and Carolina have clinched playoff spots, so one of those is a wild card. I think if Chicago and Tampa lose then Philly/Dallas becomes winner is in, loser is out. I'm not 100% sure on that though.

[Radii]

Kasay from 37 for the game with 6 seconds left.

[Eaglesfan27]

I do agree that the team is old and will need to be rebuilt in the future, I just don't think that it is necessary to do that next year.

[molson]

LOL...I'm a Niners fan, and I'd trade you positions in a heartbeat. Sometimes you just don't know what you got, till it's gone.

Agreed...5-11 seasons and higher draft picks don't exactly guarantee you a super bowl ticket. More likely, if things go really well, you get to be a playoff team....So I never understood the sentiment to "blowup" a near-playoff team. Usually when teams blow-up, they spend years to get where they were pre-blow up.

Nothing wrong with drafting well and getting some youth in there though.

[Radii]

Fitting that a false start penalty for Carolina makes it a 42 yard FG instead.

[molson]

I'm pretty confident Garcia will fail here.

[Vegas Vic]

Minnesota with a last second 50 yard field goal to beat the NY Giants 2nd teamers, 20-19.

[Radii]

Annnnnd, the only remaining original Panther saves the division for Carolina as John Kasay makes a 42 yard field goal. There is still 1 second left for a kickoff. 33-31 Carolina.

[MIJB#19]

Panthers and Vikings high on their kickers right now, I bet.

[Hurst2112]

congrats Vikes. You just won your Super Bowl.

[Radii]

A botched squib kick gives New Orleans one play left from the 40 with 1 second left.

[EagleFan]

This is not easy to watch.

[Radii]

hahah, new orleans doesn't line up in time and gets a delay of game penalty so this final play is from the 35 instead.

[SackAttack]

And the Falcons just won, so if the Saints pull off a miracle, it's a wild card for Carolina.

[Eaglesfan27]

Way to take that sack Garcia!

[Radii]

Wow that was crazy. Carolina wins the NFC South.

[molson]

What a collapse by the Buccs...9-3 and then 4 straight losses.

[MIJB#19]

Atlanta and Carolina have clinched playoff spots, so one of those is a wild card. I think if Chicago and Tampa lose then Philly/Dallas becomes winner is in, loser is out. I'm not 100% sure on that though.Yup.
Chicago and Tampa Bay both needed to win (or at least tie) today to have a shot at a wild card. With both losing the Dallas-Philadelphia winner will get the last playoffs ticket in the NFC.

[Philliesfan980]

I just don't get this. We've had two of our top WR's banged up all year. We've had our best offensive linemen out for the year, yet the team is in contention for the playoffs. Reid is a heck of a coach, even with his distractions, and McNabb is a great QB. Eventually, this team will have to be rebuilt, but next year isn't that time. If Andrews can get his problems behind him, Curtis and crew can stay healthy, and they have a good draft, then the Eagles could be dangerous next year. Heck, they could surprise a team or two in the playoffs this year.

However, if they show up flat with everything that has happened to keep them alive, then I agree with you that some changes need to be made.

That's a lot of if's ;)

Granted, as assembled, they are by no means a bad team, but probably no better than a 9-7, 10-6 team. I want them to get back in championship contender mode, and I don't see that happening with the current team.

I do agree that McNabb could have been a great QB (and still can be). He just needs the tools.

WOW! What a choke job by Tampa. Wow, it's rare to see Gruden outcoached, but he sure was today. Garcia is definately a piece of shit at this point in his career.

[EagleFan]

Wow, never would have thought the Raiders winning was a possibility.

[SirFozzie]

Ok. I must do it at least once. And If I don't do it now, I never will have the guts to do it.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! Squish the Fish!

[EagleFan]

At least now the scoeboard watching is over and it's all on the line now.

[Philliesfan980]

Wait, what am I worried about? When the pressure is on, the Eagles go bad. I can't believe I forgot this key fact.

[DeToxRox]

2 minutes until Imperfection!

[molson]

Shit, so what's left for scenarios

AFC:

-Ravens get wild card with win
-Dolphins win division with win
-If either lose, Pats take their place. If both lose, Pats and Jets take their places
-Chargers/Broncos winner wins division

NFC

-Cowboys/Eagles winner gets wild card - is that right?

[Radii]

LOL at packers fans chanting "0 and 16" at the Lions.

[molson]

LOL at packers fans chanting "0 and 16" at the Lions.

All TV Networks should be cutting in for this historic moment.

[molson]

Not all that inspired by Favre's pre-game pep talk:

"If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out, let's just do our best"

[MIJB#19]

Updated playoffs situation:

AFC
1 Tennesse
2 Pittsburgh
3 Miami (if they win) or New England (if Miami loses or ties)
4 Denver (if they win or tie) or San Diego (if they win)
5 Indianapolis
6 see below
Baltimore wins -> Baltimore
Baltimore ties + Miami wins -> New England
Baltimore ties + Miami ties/loses -> Baltimore
Baltimore loses + Miami wins -> New England
Baltimore loses + Miami ties -> Miami
Baltimore loses + NY Jets win -> NY Jets

NFC
1 NY Giants
2 Carolina
3 Minnesota
4 Arizona
5 Atlanta
6 Dallas (if they win or tie) or Philadelphia (if they win)

[Hurst2112]

All TV Networks should be cutting in for this historic moment.

i had friends who went to the game. I text them saying 'you can tell your kids that you were at the game where a shitty team beat an even shittier team'.

[MIJB#19]

So, Baltimore, Miami, Dallas and Philadelphia (and Denver and San Diego) all have faith in their own hands. New England doesn't, needing either Baltimore or Miami to lose (or tie). NY Jets need to win and need Baltimore to lose.

[Philliesfan980]

At real time speed, I don't see anyway how that's a catch. But let's see what the replays show.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

0-16! 0-16! 0-16!

Now the countdown begins to when it is announced that Marinelli returns next season.

[SirFozzie]

You get the feeling Favre is trying to prove that his arm ISN'T dying?

[Thomkal]

wow that was some wild finishes to the NFC South games there, almost looked like the football gods were making sure the Falcons won and the Panthers lose so the streak of last to first could continue.

And nice choke jobs Tampa and Chicago, was really pulling for Tampa cause I didn't want Dallas or Phlly in. Now I gotta root for Philly I guess.

[SirFozzie]

So, Baltimore, Miami, NY Jets, Dallas and Philadelphia (and Denver and San Diego) all have faith in their own hands. New England doesn't, needing either Baltimore or Miami to lose (or tie).

Jets don't have their fate in their own hands. They need a Ravens loss as well now

[Suburban Rhythm]

PING stevew

NFL Scores - CBSSports.com Live Play by Play (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20081228_CLE@PIT)

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(8:52) B.Gradkowski pass short right intended for J.Lewis INTERCEPTED by T.Carter at CLV 32. T.Carter for 32 yards, TOUCHDOWN
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Dude is a PLAYMAKER!
;)

[MIJB#19]

Jets don't have their fate in their own hands. They need a Ravens loss as well nowFixed. Thanks.

[Lathum]

Theres the Brett we know and love

[Dutch]

Tampa Bay was well on their way to victory with the long run by Cadillac Williams but when he was on the ground screaming in pain as he re-ruptured his reconstructed knee, you kind of new the Bucs were finished...
(...and that should do it for Cadillac's short injury plagued career...)

Oh well, it was an interesting season so it wasn't a total loss, despite the mega-meltdown at the end.

[Izulde]

Thank you for the pick Favre! :)

[SirFozzie]

oh shit. neck injury

[Lathum]

oh shit. neck injury

who?

[SirFozzie]

Thank god he's sitting. That looked BAD. (WR for the Dolphins)

[MrDNA]

So let me double get this straight:

Winner of Jets/Dolphins is in?
Winner of Eagles/Cowboys is in (this one I know)

What a great day of football!!

(Unless you're a Browns fan, which I am :p)

[Izulde]

Martin out with injury, which is going to hurt our TE corps a bit.

and damn it, Ricky, CATCH THE DAMN BALL! DON'T DROP IT!

[Eaglesfan27]

GREAT play by McNabb and Buckhalter.

[Izulde]

:mad:

[Dr. Sak]

SMILE FOR ME T.O.... :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Great throw from McNabb to DeSean Jackson on 3rd down to set up another TD. Eagles up 17-3 now.

[Dr. Sak]

That was a perfect throw!

[DeToxRox]

By no means am I an Iggles fan, but please win.

That Dallas pick is lookin' like it'll be between 18-22 with a loss today.

[Logan]

I didn't realize how much I hated Favre until I caught myself rooting for the Dolphins.

[Izulde]

Beautiful catch by Ginn!

I never thought I'd hear myself say that.

[Dr. Sak]

Perfect throw by Romo!

[Eaglesfan27]

Thanks Roy and Romo!

[Balldog]

Just curious, do Dolphins fans still hate Ted Ginn?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

WHAT THE FUCK WAS FAVRE THINKING???

[ISiddiqui]

LOL @ Tampa.

[Izulde]

YES!!! INT RETURN FOR TD!!!!

14-6 DOLPHINS!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

ugh...favre

*dies*

now i feel the pain the packers fans have been feeling for years

[Eaglesfan27]

Nice personal foul, Cowboys.

[Dr. Sak]

I love watching the Cowgirls implode.

[SirFozzie]

Well, forget the Ravens. They're not going to lose. And the Jets seem to be imploding.. Oh well :(

[Matthean]

WHAT THE FUCK WAS FAVRE THINKING???

Retirement? :lol:

[SirFozzie]

Looks like Brett landed on his elbow and his arm is not 100% due to numbness

[Dr. Sak]

What the hell was Newman thinking?

[Dr. Sak]

TOUCHDOWN EAGLES!!!!

[Logan]

Looks like Brett landed on his elbow and his arm is not 100% due to numbness

Bruised ego.

[RedKingGold]

Wow, the Cowboys really are imploding.

Just strange to see the inevitable unfold right before our eyes.

[Eaglesfan27]

Seriously, what was Newman thinking? Weird play.

Great end to the half for the Eagles! I just hope they can repair the relationship with McNabb after the season. He is showing today why experts call him a top 5 QB.

[Dr. Sak]

Bruised labia.

Fixed

[Lathum]

It KILLS me to root for the Eagles, but the fact that the Cowgirls are looking like they will miss out on the playoffs makes me warm and fuzzy

[Dr. Sak]

Way to go PACMAN!

[Eaglesfan27]

Pac-Man!! So glad that he is back playing for the Cowboys.

[RedKingGold]

If only HBO Hard-Knocks were all-season long.

I'd love to hear that Cowboys half-time speech.

[Dr. Sak]

What a great first half for the Eagles!

[miked]

You mean a team with a bunch of me guys has no heart?

[Lathum]

I really hope all the "Tony Romo in a top tier QB" dies down now, the guy can't win a game when it counts to save his life.

[Izulde]

I'll take the 14-9 halftime lead. :)

[EagleFan]

Un-freaking-believable first half!!!

Almost stub-hubbed some tickets for the game, really wish I did now.

[Buccaneer]

Wow, what a crazy day so far.

Remembering the 76 Bucs season, I never thought I would see an 0-16 team. It really must be possible to go from horribly bad to something worse.

I can't believe how close the Falcons came to winning the division and the #2 seed. Still a great story.

As far as the Bucs collapse, a simple "fuck you" to Monte Kiffen will suffice. Now Tennessee becomes one of my least favorite college football teams.

I will be sad to see the Pats falling short despite a miraculous season. Belichick gets coach of the year for me.

I really, really, really, really, really love what the Eagles are doing to the Cowboys. Getting the Cowboys out of the playoffs will make my season, despite what happens tonight.

[Eaglesfan27]

Un-freaking-believable first half!!!

Almost stub-hubbed some tickets for the game, really wish I did now.

I wish I was at this game too. The atmosphere at the stadium looks incredible from what I can see on the TV.

[Buccaneer]

I'd love to hear that Cowboys half-time speech.

Yeah, you can see Phillips, standing there with that eternal befuddled look saying, "ummm...what happened? can someone tell me what happened?".

[molson]

I wonder if Philliesfan980 will root against the Eagles in the playoffs.

[EagleFan]

I wonder if Philliesfan980 will root against the Eagles in the playoffs.

I hope so, as long as it comes with the same affect. ;)

[Senator]

Yeah, you can see Phillips, standing there with that eternal befuddled look saying, "ummm...what happened? can someone tell me what happened?".

They haven't shown any cohesion in weeks. Without Barber carrying this team on his back, they are very average.

Philly loses first game of playoffs.

This game is like rooting for a NIT tourney game; someone will win, but so what?

[Dr. Sak]

Philly loses first game of playoffs.

This game is like rooting for a NIT tourney game; someone will win, but so what?

Philly can hang with Minnesota.

[Senator]

Philly can hang with Minnesota.

agreed.

[Eaglesfan27]

They haven't shown any cohesion in weeks. Without Barber carrying this team on his back, they are very average.

Philly loses first game of playoffs.

This game is like rooting for a NIT tourney game; someone will win, but so what?

If Philly maintains good offensive balance next week like they have today, they are going to win. They are a very solid team when they do that and allow the defense to play aggressively.

Did Romo just wave off the punt team against the coaches' wishes? Good thing he made it.

[SirFozzie]

Aight! Snap over the punter's head by the Fish!

[Dr. Sak]

Romo has become the new head coach of the Cowboys. Wade Phillips reminds me of Bobby Bowden, always has a confused look on his face.

[SirFozzie]

TD JETS!

[Izulde]

fucking dipshit long snapper. :mad: :mad:

[Izulde]

and then the god damned 2 point conversion.

get somebody else out there to snap the damn ball.

[Dr. Sak]

EAT IT ROMO!!!!

[Eaglesfan27]

Romo! What a big time QB ;)

Nice stiff arm from Clemons on that TD return.

[EagleFan]

Yeah!!!!! This just keeps getting better!!!!

[Dr. Sak]

Is it too much to hope for Dawkins to lay out TO on a slant pattern?

[SirFozzie]

Just a few inches from crossing the goal line there.

[SirFozzie]

ARGH. Friggin Jump Ball with a Dolphin and two jets

[SirFozzie]

Credit where credit is due. Nice catch there on third and short

[Dr. Sak]

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