NFL Wild Card Weekend Game Discussion

[SirFozzie]

Hey, Matt Millen's on NBC to discuss the games.

Will he say something like "I don't know how they made it here, I wouldn't have done anything they would have!"

[SirFozzie]

Ladanian Tomlinson: Questionable, with a detatched tendon to his groin? Yeowww!

[DaddyTorgo]

from what McGinest said there is like no way Tomlinson will play. He said earlier on NFL Network that he had the same injury one time and managed to make it ONE PLAY before having to take himself out for the day

[Chief Rum]

Did Millen say "I really like the wide receivers on both teams." ??

[SirFozzie]

There's a joke in there about Millen's preference for WR, but I won't even go NEAR there.

[MrDNA]

So wait, that really is MATT FRIGGIN MILLEN being asked to commentate on FOOTBALL?

Did I turn on bizarro TV this afternoon?

[SirFozzie]

I'm rooting on Matty Ice today, since the local team are out of it :)

[DaddyTorgo]

GOOOOO MATTY!!!!

[RedKingGold]

So wait, that really is MATT FRIGGIN MILLEN being asked to commentate on FOOTBALL?

Did I turn on bizarro TV this afternoon?

Millen was always a pretty good announcer.

What we know now is that he is a horrible terrible evaluator.

[Thomkal]

Go Cards! Nice to get that INT after that run back

[Noop]

Amazing catch by Fitz

[larrymcg421]

Holy shit! What a catch!

[MrDNA]

WOW! What a catch!!

[Thomkal]

OMG! fleaflicker for the TD! what a catch by Fitzgerald

[Thomkal]

Glad to see the Cards come out and score early and not have to come from behind

[MrDNA]

Glad to see the Cards come out and score early and not have to come from behind

*Giggles like a 13 year old*

[Thomkal]

*Giggles like a 13 year old*
*giggles with you* :)

[RedKingGold]

I'm rooting for the Cards just for Thomkal (and other long suffering Cards fans).

[SirFozzie]

Geez, did some one feed the Falcons OL laxatives or something?

[Thomkal]

I'm rooting for the Cards just for Thomkal (and other long suffering Cards fans).

aw shucks :D

[MrDNA]

Actually, as a long suffering Browns fan, I should be rooting for the Cards for the same logic. Also, I like that they're not wearing dumb uniforms. Go Cards!

[Jas_lov]

Doesn't seem like there are many commercials and I like it.

[larrymcg421]

Going to be a long day for the Falcons if they can't get Turner going.

[Thomkal]

nice 1st quarter for the Cards, couple sacks, actual signs of life in the running game, stopping Turner and a great TD

[Alan T]

I'm rooting for the Cards just for Thomkal (and other long suffering Cards fans).

It is not like they are playing a team that has had large amounts of success over their history. I've been a long suffering Falcons fan and need alot of help with the way this game has started! :)

[Lathum]

Falcons look like they are getting into a rythm

[Alan T]

How do you not have anyone covering Boldin

Edit: Nevermind, I see Milloy was playing like a 45 year old.

[Thomkal]

woohoo Boldin!

[Jas_lov]

They did have someone covering him, Lawyer Malloy, and that was their problem.

[larrymcg421]

Roddy White! Argh.

[Thomkal]

and that sadly has been the typical lack of defense from the Cards of late

[Thomkal]

*sigh*

[Jas_lov]

Falcons looking good now after the INT. They just need to bench Lawyer Malloy. And the refs need to start calling offsides on Arizona's D.

[Alan T]

Now things are looking up

[Alan T]

And the refs need to start calling offsides on Arizona's D.


Yeah, I don't usually like to get all over the refs for missing calls against my team as I figure calls go both ways at some point, but it is getting a bit rediculous. The last guy was across the line and had almost knocked over the blocking back before a whistle even blew.

[Thomkal]

well that was a waste of a good start

[MrDNA]

Alan! ridiculous! This is not an infraction I would expect from you!

But, your team is winning, so you get a little slack ;)

[bulletsponge]

halftime. finaly i dont have to hear collinsworth yap his hole

[Alan T]

Alan! ridiculous! This is not an infraction I would expect from you!

But, your team is winning, so you get a little slack ;)

I have a decent excuse for why that was spelled wrongly :) I usually am a lousy speller, and depend heavily on firefox's spell corrector to make sure that I don't look too much like an idiot in my posts. Tonight I have toddler duty, and she wants to watch Lazytown on the tv, so I am watching the falcons game through my slingbox on my laptop and not really looking at what I am typing :)

[DaddyTorgo]

"I want to do some hands on stuff with young men."

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[Arles]

Nice to see the same old Cardinals returned in the 2nd quarter. Arizona has 5 straight carries for 32 years (6.4 ypc). After that, Arizona throws 7 straight incomplete passes. I just can't understand why they don't even try a run after that early success. But there's a lot about the Cardinals I don't understand.

[DaddyTorgo]

blah - well that was a freaky play

[Thomkal]

woot! of course I walked in just after the TD and missed it. :(

[Alan T]

Good lord, Turner had all day to run if not for that timeout

[MrDNA]

Originally Posted by Tony Dungy
"I want to do some hands on stuff with young men."



I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that. Dungy also says "young men" too often in general.

[Logan]

As I watch Tiki Barber perform his sideline reporter duties, I think back to all the BS he was spewing during his self-publicized retirement tour, about how he was going to move on to bigger and better things. He really thought he was going to be on 60 minutes interviewing presidential candidates and other world leaders.

Instead he's getting injury updates from waterboys.

[Jas_lov]

Now the refs are screwing the Cardinals. That was a pretty obvious hold there on Fitz.

[Alan T]

Looks like the no-penalty calls are coming back to favor the Falcons in the second half to make up for the ones in the first half. Falcons really need a good drive here, they have looked rattled most of the second half

[Thomkal]

thanks ref for the two blown calls on what would have been the safety and then the hold or pass interference there

[Thomkal]

great drive there Cards

[Alan T]

Bleh

[Thomkal]

Cards better not find a way to lose this game after being up by 13....

[Alan T]

Cards better not find a way to lose this game after being up by 13....

I'm hoping! :)

[Thomkal]

Shush you. ;)

[JonInMiddleGA]

That needs to be the final play of Brooking's career with the Falcons. He's been an overrated disappointment from day one in the NFL and that's not easy for me to say since he's a Tech guy.

[Alan T]

Well, a little disappointed that the Falcons won't be winning this one. I feel partially that we were "playing on house money" so to speak though, as we went much further then I expected to start the season.

Looking at this team, I don't feel this was a last chance to win, but instead a start of something big. I hope next year that Atlanta can address some huge holes in the defense and build upon this season rather than just take a big step back as they have always done in the past.

[RedKingGold]

Congrats Cards.

[GrantDawg]

Well, a little disappointed that the Falcons won't be winning this one. I feel partially that we were "playing on house money" so to speak though, as we went much further then I expected to start the season.

Looking at this team, I don't feel this was a last chance to win, but instead a start of something big. I hope next year that Atlanta can address some huge holes in the defense and build upon this season rather than just take a big step back as they have always done in the past.


Let's hope so. Congrats, Cards. Y'all just plain wanted it more.

[Thomkal]

Well, a little disappointed that the Falcons won't be winning this one. I feel partially that we were "playing on house money" so to speak though, as we went much further then I expected to start the season.

Looking at this team, I don't feel this was a last chance to win, but instead a start of something big. I hope next year that Atlanta can address some huge holes in the defense and build upon this season rather than just take a big step back as they have always done in the past.

I agree with you actually Alan, I worry a bit about a sophomore slump from Ryan after these last two games he played, but overall there is miles and miles more of hope and good news in Atlanta than there has been for a while. They had an incredible season though and they should be proud of that.

[DeToxRox]

I agree with you actually Alan, I worry a bit about a sophomore slump from Ryan after these last two games he played, but overall there is miles and miles more of hope and good news in Atlanta than there has been for a while. They had an incredible season though and they should be proud of that.

I do think ATL will struggle next season. Ryan will improve, but this is the most carriers in Turners career, and I cannot help but wonder how he'll hold up next year.

If Turner goes down, this team is going tp be in deep trouble.

Now on the flipside, if Turner stays healthy and Ryan developes as he should, they'll be a contender in the South.

Still, those could be two big if's.

[Thomkal]

Oh and Go Cards! What a reilef to get that playoff monkey off their backs. Their defense is still going to be their downfall in the playoffs, but if they can keep that running game going it may not matter too much.

Now I'm pulling for the Eagles to win tomorrow so the Cards get Carolina instead of the Giants. Yeah the Panthers have beaten them 5 straight times, including this season, but it was the closest game the Cards had against an East Coast team, and the weather should be a lot nicer than in likely will be in NY. And the Panthers don't scare me as much as the Giants do overall.

[MrDNA]

Congrats Thomkal and the Cards!

[SackAttack]

Does NFL.com not have any kind of streaming video subscription access? Damn.

[Izulde]

Congrats Thomkal. :)

What a great year it's been for you between the Cards and Thigpen.

[Jas_lov]

I have no idea who San Diego's punter is, but he's doing a damn fine job.

[Buccaneer]

Congrats to the Cardinals, very happy to see Kurt win in the playoffs again. I love the Falcons too and I think they will be a good team for a while and look forward to them being in the playoffs.

[Thomkal]

Congrats Thomkal. :)

What a great year it's been for you between the Cards and Thigpen.

Thanks Izulde. Certainly the most interest I've had in an NFL season ever. :)

[Jas_lov]

LOL! Peyton just caught the SD defense totally off guard.

[Jas_lov]

Such a great drive by the Chargers there ruined by that fumble. Rivers and Sproles are shredding the Colts D. This game is heading for a Peyton Manning last minute drive for the win or a Nate Kaeding choke job.

[SirFozzie]

Wow. Huge plays by Rivers, two good (run for 16, QB Sneak on 4th and inches), then one bad (horrible throw, intercepted in the end zone)

[Jas_lov]

And another terrible turnover for the Chargers. Two great chances to at least tie and no points. Rivers had a sick 3rd down run and Norv pulled out all the stops on that 4th down, but just a terrible throw by Rivers after that.

[Jas_lov]

I didn't even know Michael Bennett was still in the league! Great effort there to plow through 3 Colts for the 1st.

[Racer]

I don't think I've ever seen a punter have a better game then the Chargers punter.

[Jas_lov]

Manning's down! Chargers still have a chance.

[Radii]

what a 3rd down play, wow.

[Calis]

I don't think I've ever seen a punter have a better game then the Chargers punter.

No kidding, give the kid player of the game.

Really interesting finish here.

[Jas_lov]

They shouldn't take the safety up by only 3. It would be too easy for SD to drive for the GW FG.

[Calis]

Turning into a punter duel here!

[DeToxRox]

Why Indy went 5 wide is beyond me. Run a PA Bootleg or something.

[Jas_lov]

I said the game would come down to a Manning comeback or a Kaeding choke job. Get ready for Kaeding wide right!

[Jas_lov]

No need to spike it! Run a damn play. Now you only have 2 downs to get the 1st.

[Noop]

This game is tense.

[Eaglesfan27]

This game is tense.

Yes, it is. Very entertaining. I hate to see Norv get any positive credit, but for some reason I'm rooting for the Chargers.

Edit: I think that is part of it. Sproles is so much fun to watch.

[Jas_lov]

Just short. Gotta kick the FG now. No way Kaeding can miss from this close.

[Jas_lov]

What a great 1st round game. OT may come down to the coin flip like usual.

[rowech]

SD didn't play to win the game.....Herm Edwards would be disappointed. Time will tell if that was the right move to go for the win a little more.

[Noop]

Someone should have told Peyton tails never fails.

[Eaglesfan27]

Did Phillip Rivers just say "game over?"

[Izulde]

I don't have a horse in this race, but man I love watching Sproles play.

[Swaggs]

SD didn't play to win the game.....Herm Edwards would be disappointed. Time will tell if that was the right move to go for the win a little more.

Exactly what I was thinking. They didn't play to win there at the end of regulation. I cannot believe they spiked it with a minute left.

[RendeR]

San Diego showing a lot of Heart and a lot of mistakes in this game. give them props for Sproles and the Punter being on freaking fire.

All said and done the Colts won a title already, I'll root for the Chargers to stay alive for a shot.

[Galaxy]

Man, Indy just keeps giving SD life.

[Jas_lov]

LOL! Colts D coming apart here with penalties. Best chance is to hold them here and hope Kaeding chokes.

[Calis]

Giving the game away now.

[RendeR]

Colts 'D' kciking themselves right in the nads here....

[Galaxy]

Didn't the Chargers player have his facemask as well?

[stevew]

Bad no call on the grounding.

Game over now

[Eaglesfan27]

Jennings acting like an idiot.

[sabotai]

2 Def. holding calls on the drive. The Colts defense is just handing the game to the Chargers. And just as I type this, a 15 yard facemask penalty.

[RendeR]

SPROLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jas_lov]

Wow! Sproles is amazing. Didn't expect the Colts to go down here.

[DeToxRox]

It's amazing what happens when LT, the Cowardly Lion, isn't out there.

[Calis]

Enjoy seeing a K-State guy shine like this. It doesn't happen often. :)

[RendeR]

Congrats to San Diego, they've fought tooth and nail for 5 straight weeks, their Defense has come to life right at the best time.

MVP will watch things from home this year.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. Great ending to a great night by Sproles.

[Swaggs]

Luckily, Sproles was playing to win.

That kid has got to be exhausted after this game.

[RedKingGold]

Darren Sproles is what Reggie Bush was supposed to be. Awesome performance.

[LloydLungs]

Well, that's it. We now live in a world where Norv Turner beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs. I'll let that sink in.

[sabotai]

So are we going to hear a lot of "bench LT, start Sproles" before next season starts?

[RendeR]

It's amazing what happens when LT, the Cowardly Lion, isn't out there.


Ok this is just sad man. You might not like the guy but if he's hurt he's hurt.

[Radii]

That was hell of a playoff game, grats Chargers! I'm happy to see Sproles get the winning score after his fumble on the 1 earlier in the game.

[DeToxRox]

Ok this is just sad man. You might not like the guy but if he's hurt he's hurt.

Not just this year. Only can cry wolf so many times.

[RendeR]

Not just this year. Only can cry wolf so many times.


And of course you're the team doctor and know for a fact he's faked injury before? Uh huh, just shut up about it. Seriously, its lame and makes you look like a dumbass.

[Buccaneer]

Well I'll be damned, that was certainly exciting to watch. Sproles was awesome and while it blew my SB predictions out of the water, the Bolts beat them again. Wow. Go Bolts.

[Barkeep49]

That game, as someone who had no vested interest, was tons of fun to watch. I'm thankful to know that the possibility of a Manning v Manning Super Bowl is thwarted for another year.

A stupid question: What's the name of the song that SD played before kickoffs?

[DeToxRox]

Sproles is great for what he does, but he isn't worth the contract he very well might get this offseason.

[RendeR]

I love an underdog, I can get behind the Chargers. I hope their Defense keeps up this type of performance.

[Buccaneer]

Yes, it is. Very entertaining. I hate to see Norv get any positive credit,

I think that is the great paradox of being a Bolts fan - you want the team to win but you want Norv to lose.

[DeToxRox]

And of course you're the team doctor and know for a fact he's faked injury before? Uh huh, just shut up about it. Seriously, its lame and makes you look like a dumbass.

LT has done this the last few seasons. He doesn't run in the preseason, and breaks down at the end of the year. That's my problem.

Plus the fact he seemingly never got over the Patriots taunting. He's just rubbed me the wrong way.

[RendeR]

Weren't most people picking both Atlanta AND Indy to win today? Gotta love a home team underdog.

[DeToxRox]

I love an underdog, I can get behind the Chargers. I hope their Defense keeps up this type of performance.

SD was a preseason favorite to win the SuperBowl.

An inept coach does not make you an underdog.

[LloydLungs]

I'm thankful to know that the possibility of a Manning v Manning Super Bowl is thwarted for another year.

Even though I had money on the Colts... being in New Orleans, I can definitely go with this sentiment. I can only take so much of Archie's drawl amidst gobs of Manning ass-kissing. It's really bad down here even when they're not both in the playoffs.

[stevew]

Sproles earned some cash tonite. He's a fun guy to watch. Good time for him to be an UFA

[yacovfb]

Well, that's it. We now live in a world where Norv Turner beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs two years in a row. I'll let that sink in.

fixed

[Danny]

It's amazing what happens when LT, the Cowardly Lion, isn't out there.

Tomlinson was clearly less than full speed while he was in there while Sproles was doing a great job. He would have been hurting his team by being out there, not by sitting out.

[INDalltheway]

Game ball has to go to the Chargers punter.. He is the only reason the Chargers made it to OT. The overtime drive was about the only drive a great length for the San Diego the whole game, which was aided by a couple of penalties. I didn't agree with the two holding penalties at all. The first one I thought was terrible, and the second just a little touchy for a play like that where the protection breaks down.

Have to give it to the Chargers though. My buddy and I were really hoping LT would be playing because we knew the Colts couldn't tackle Sproles. When he gets going north and south he is a tough guy to bring down.

[RendeR]

LT has done this the last few seasons. He doesn't run in the preseason, and breaks down at the end of the year. That's my problem.

Plus the fact he seemingly never got over the Patriots taunting. He's just rubbed me the wrong way.


And you have every right to feel however you want about the guy, but tossing your personal venom around in the middle of this thread was about as bright as a jas_lov commentary. Just bad timing on your part to try and stick one to LT.

[Buccaneer]

And of course you're the team doctor and know for a fact he's faked injury before? Uh huh, just shut up about it. Seriously, its lame and makes you look like a dumbass.

+1

[kcchief19]

Sproles is great for what he does, but he isn't worth the contract he very well might get this offseason.
People said the same thing about Turner and people have been saying the same type of thing about Sproles since high school. I can't count him out.

He was already going to cash a check in the offseason but he's just inflating it right now. He's a good kid -- good for him.

[LloydLungs]

fixed

For some reason I forgot that this also happened last year. I think perhaps it's too bizarre for my mind to process.

[Buccaneer]

was about as bright as a jas_lov commentary

Ouch.

[INDalltheway]

People said the same thing about Turner and people have been saying the same type of thing about Sproles since high school. I can't count him out.

He was already going to cash a check in the offseason but he's just inflating it right now. He's a good kid -- good for him.
Honestly the Colts need a guy like Sproles.. I am so tired of not having a good returner and game breaker.

[stevew]

SD was a preseason favorite to win the SuperBowl.

An inept coach does not make you an underdog.

The chargers were favored by 2 here.

[RendeR]

SD was a preseason favorite to win the SuperBowl.

An inept coach does not make you an underdog.


*sigh* and of course the defensive failings at the beginning of teh season are Norv's fault, and losing their best defensive player for the season was Norv's fault and the Officiating that cost them 2 games was Norv's fault.

Seriously, is there anything you can't blame on Norv? I'm not trying to say I want him as my team's coach, but why continue beating a dead horse?

This team was 4-8, they were playing awfully and seemed to have no hope. Now if you blame all of the BAD on Norv, you also have to give him credit for all the GOOD, now, don'tcha?

Get over it already.

[RendeR]

The chargers were favored by 2 here.


Really? Everything I looked at had the Colts by a point and as many as 3?

[Buccaneer]

Even I heard Marty Schottenheimer say, "well, fuck". Norv with a winning record in the playoffs for the Bolts.

[Jas_lov]

I don't get the hate for the Chargers kicking the FG on 4th and 1 with 30 seconds left. It was an easy FG to get the game to OT. If you go for it and don't get it, game over. If you go for it and get it, you've got no timeouts and about 20 seconds. Spike it and you have 2 shots at the endzone which I don't think it worth it in that situation.

The worse play by Norv and Rivers was spiking it with 55 seconds left with the ball on the 20 which I mentioned earlier. That only gave them 2 plays to get the 1st which came up big when Sproles was 1 yard short of the 1st down. There was plenty of time, just get to the line and run a play.

[stevew]

Really? Everything I looked at had the Colts by a point and as many as 3?

I think it creeped late in the week

[Noop]

Ok this is just sad man. You might not like the guy but if he's hurt he's hurt.

If you don't play cause your hurt then your a pussy. If your injured then its cool. So is he hurt or injured?

[cthomer5000]

Colts couldn't run, or stop the run, and overall the offense just seemed to disappear for long stretches.

When you factor in that the Colts scored a TD when half the Chargers didn't know the ball was snapped, and the Chargers turned it over twice in scoring position....San Diego deserves the win.

[Noop]

Colts looked ready to go home.

[RendeR]

If you don't play cause your hurt then your a pussy. If your injured then its cool. So is he hurt or injured?


I'm using hurt == injured interchangeably here. The fact is if you honestly believe a player of the calibur of talent that LT is would willingly CHOOSE to sit out the second half of a playoff game then I think you're more than a little boneheaded.

If if the team doctors checked him out and said he could go, he'd have been in there. Did you watch the first half? he was coming up limping on every run and couldn't make a cut to save his life. There was obviously a physical issue. Could he have played? if Sproles weren't lighting up the Colts defense like a pornagraphic Vegas light show? probably he would have.

I just think its seriously pretentious to make statements as if you actually know something to be a fact when its painfully obvious you haven't a real clue. based on his performance on the field I'm willing to put my faith far more in LT's judgement and the team's than in Detox's venomous rantings.

As an example: I despise Joe montana. The man was a glass jawed whiner who fell into the single greatest system for a QB of his kind and he rode that for all it was worth. he had superstars around him at almost every position. I think he's far more overrated than many other QB's.

HOWEVER, based on what his numbers and his team's performances show, I still rank him in the top 10 of all time QB's. I can hate the man and still respect what he and the team does. I also don't spew such things in the middle of discussion of the team's sucess with or without him.

As I said earlier, it was just a stupid thing to say WHEN he said it. he has every right to think it, he's just a bonehead for spewing it in a thread talking about teh team's success tonight.

[Noop]

:rolleyes:

[Kodos]

Too bad to see my Colts knocked out. Total self-destruction on that last drive. Going to have to root against the Bolts after this.

Hope the Dolphins can upset Baltimore tomorrow, or I will quickly be out of teams to root for.

[SackAttack]

Too bad to see my Colts knocked out. Total self-destruction on that last drive. Going to have to root against the Bolts after this.

Hope the Dolphins can upset Baltimore tomorrow, or I will quickly be out of teams to root for.

"your" Colts?

I thought you were a Dolphins fan.

[EagleFan]

I wonder if Tony Dungy has changed his opinion about NFL overtimes. ;)

[Alan T]

"your" Colts?

I thought you were a Dolphins fan.

Reminds me of the person (I don't even remember who it was) that used to post on FOFC and had like 6 "favorite" football teams. If one didn't make the playoffs, it was ok because he still had "his" Packers and Giants and Patriots and whomever to root for in the playoffs :)

I think as a fan of a team, it kind of diminishes things for me once you start getting behind multiple teams that passionately. Now the Falcons are out of the playoffs, I'll probably cheer for underdogs to win because that is fun. But it doesn't bother me one way or another what happens to them. All I truly care about every week is the Falcons winning and the 49ers losing :)

[rowech]

I don't get the hate for the Chargers kicking the FG on 4th and 1 with 30 seconds left. It was an easy FG to get the game to OT. If you go for it and don't get it, game over. If you go for it and get it, you've got no timeouts and about 20 seconds. Spike it and you have 2 shots at the endzone which I don't think it worth it in that situation.

The worse play by Norv and Rivers was spiking it with 55 seconds left with the ball on the 20 which I mentioned earlier. That only gave them 2 plays to get the 1st which came up big when Sproles was 1 yard short of the 1st down. There was plenty of time, just get to the line and run a play.

It wasn't the fourth down play. It was the first down spike as you say and then the play that really got me was the draw to Sproles. They were already at a distance their kicker could make so why not go for the win. You lose the toss and maybe you don't even get another chance. It paid off for them in the end though.

[Lathum]

Reminds me of the person (I don't even remember who it was) that used to post on FOFC and had like 6 "favorite" football teams. If one didn't make the playoffs, it was ok because he still had "his" Packers and Giants and Patriots and whomever to root for in the playoffs :)



Romagoth. Lol, we gave him some shit for that one.


Overall I really enjoyed both games. I was bummed to see the Colts go down because I really wanted a Manning-Manning superbowl. I hated to holding call in overtime, I don't think it was obvious enough for the official to make a call there that results in an automatic first down.

I also think this shows a change is needed in the OT rules. IMO is is absurd that in a playoff game one team doesn't even get to touch the ball in OT.

That being said, the Chargers deserved the win and Sproles was a monster. He will look good in a Bengals uniform.

[QuikSand]

I also think this shows a change is needed in the OT rules. IMO is is absurd that in a playoff game one team doesn't even get to touch the ball in OT.

Matter of time I suppose until someone thinks this game is some sort of "argument" for this long standing position. If you don't want your team to lose without touching the ball in overtime, you have a ton of options to avoid that woefully unfair plight. Scoring enough so that you can't be tied by a short-drive FG is one of them. Stopping the other team, during any of thee important drives in question, is another. Not collapsing with idiotic penalties when the other team gets the ball in OT would be another good strategy to pursue on that front.

I'm not trying to suggest the system is perfect, but this age-old argument about how each team needs to have a "fair" chance doesn't get strengthened when this setup happens in another game. We get it, we've seen it before, we know it's possible, we know it happens, even in big games.

If you don't want the game to be decided by one drive, or one play, or one call, or whatever ends up seeming unjust to you after it's over... then outplay the other team and eliminate all doubt with your margin of victory.

[Barkeep49]

Quik I think that supposes games end the 4Q tied due to some sort of deficiency on the part of the teams playing. I think you could conversely say that due to the skill required to achieve the tie that both teams deserve a chance to display that skill in the OT.

[Buccaneer]

Reminds me of the person (I don't even remember who it was) that used to post on FOFC and had like 6 "favorite" football teams. If one didn't make the playoffs, it was ok because he still had "his" Packers and Giants and Patriots and whomever to root for in the playoffs :)



All this can simply be avoided if people would stop using "we", "us", "your", "my" in refering to sports teams, unless you work for them. That is so immature and moronic. If you like one team, that's great. Or if you like multiple teams, that's cool too. Same thing if you hate one or more teams. Just refer to them in the third person like we do with anything else we do not personally possess.

[rowech]

Just my opinion....if a game goes to OT, the entire quarter should be played no matter what. Like having a 2nd fourth quarter. Regular season, game ends in a tie, playoffs if still tied, just move onto the next quarter.

[Buccaneer]

Just my opinion....if a game goes to OT, the entire quarter should be played no matter what. Like having a 2nd fourth quarter. Regular season, game ends in a tie, playoffs if still tied, just move onto the next quarter.

A lot of what the NFL (and other sports leagues) are about is putting the best and most popular products on the field to ensure maximum revenues. I think minimizing the chance of injuries to the best and most popular products plays into sudden death or shootout overtimes, and probably lack of college playoffs, to some extent.

[tucker rocky]

A stupid question: What's the name of the song that SD played before kickoffs?

That would be "Crazy Train", by Ozzy Osbourne.

The opening to the song is played at just about every football(college and pro)game.

[molson]

And you have every right to feel however you want about the guy, but tossing your personal venom around in the middle of this thread was about as bright as a jas_lov commentary. Just bad timing on your part to try and stick one to LT.

I's funny to hear you of all people come out against "personal venom".

[Logan]

All this can simply be avoided if people would stop using "we", "us", "your", "my" in refering to sports teams, unless you work for them. That is so immature and moronic. If you like one team, that's great. Or if you like multiple teams, that's cool too. Same thing if you hate one or more teams. Just refer to them in the third person like we do with anything else we do not personally possess.

Eh...when I say it, it's usually just because it's easier to say "we couldn't move the ball for shit" than "the 49ers..." constantly. I'm lazy, not immature or moronic.

[kcchief19]

If you don't want the game to be decided by one drive, or one play, or one call, or whatever ends up seeming unjust to you after it's over... then outplay the other team and eliminate all doubt with your margin of victory.
What you're essentially saying is that if you find yourself in an overtime game, you didn't deserve to win. Of course, that is true for both teams in an overtime game.

But I don't grant the premise that is always true or that it was true in this case. As much as I've seen people say that San Diego outplayed Indianapolis, the fact is that the Chargers were in overtime because they made plenty of mistakes too.

By this logic, why bother playing overtime at all? Why not just flip the coin to choose the winner?

I really don't see the harm in ensuring at a minimum that both teams get a possession in OT. What is the harm in doing something that makes more sense?

[Alan T]

All this can simply be avoided if people would stop using "we", "us", "your", "my" in refering to sports teams, unless you work for them. That is so immature and moronic. If you like one team, that's great. Or if you like multiple teams, that's cool too. Same thing if you hate one or more teams. Just refer to them in the third person like we do with anything else we do not personally possess.

You probably are right that it is immature. Rooting for the teams that I have since I was a child probably is pretty childish in its own right though. I have not staked anything in the team, so shouldn't derive any pleasure from their success or disappointment from their failure, yet I still do.

I probably could be far more mature and productive by focusing only on the sports I do play (now limited pretty much to just bowling, tennis and an "over-the-hill" softball league), but the child in me still longs to see "my" teams win and do well. So I can easily see others that have the same passion for "their" teams in whichever sport it may be. I just get confused when people talk about 2, 3 , 4 or more teams as "theirs" as I then don't necessarily find where the passion is coming from or at least don't understand it or can not relate.

My original post was meant more to be fun then any kind of attack and I don't think I agree with your taking it to the next level. I do think you are correct in what you say, but I am not a completely logical being without feeling, so sometimes I do likely do things that are immature I suppose (such as derive far too much pleasure in "my" team from childhood).

[Kodos]

"your" Colts?

I thought you were a Dolphins fan.

The Colts have become my favorite team over the past 5 years or so. I've never really regained my feelings for the Dolphins after the Jimmy Johnson/Dave Wannstedt/Saban/Cameron debacles. My rooting interests have been swayed heavily toward the Colts over that period. I was happy to see the Dolphins do better this year, but I doubt I could name 10 players on the current roster. It doesn't help that I have a real dislike for Bill Parcells. Usually, if the Colts and the Dolphins were on at the same time, I was watching the Colts.

[Kodos]

Honestly, giving a shit about the fortunes of a team of millionaires from your city of choice is pretty irrational in itself. But obviously, people do feel something about their teams for whatever reason. At the end of the day, it is entertainment. It gives you a chance to see "good vs. evil" played out in an entertaining manner. Life is more interesting with sports than without them, even if they don't really matter in any way aside from affecting the economy of the cities they are located in.

[Galaril]

Titans and Steelers are happy the Colts are out of it.

[Noop]

We need to punch that ball in from the inside the damn 5.

[Izulde]

I'll take the 3-0 lead to start things off.

[Buccaneer]

The thing that I probably reaction against in the team personalization is the flip side - the depression, anger, upset, etc. of when your personal team loses. I see that in my young son and to me, it is not healthy and both my wife and I are trying to teach him to be more even keel. Such immature behavior extends to adult and I have personally witnessed spousal abuse, anger and temper tantrums to others, substance abuse and poor work performance after a painful loss (and to some extent, internet rages) and that's where it becomes moronic. That's not worth it, imo. I also think destructive celebrations after a big win is moronic too, imo. Being lazy? That's cool though. :)

I think that the many fans that are in fantasy leagues help a lot. They end up not seeing things (teams, players, leagues) in so extreme or black&white manner. There are a lot of good performances and games being played, regardless of the emotions tied to the uniform.

[Buccaneer]

Honestly, giving a shit about the fortunes of a team of millionaires from your city of choice is pretty irrational in itself. But obviously, people do feel something about their teams for whatever reason. At the end of the day, it is entertainment. It gives you a chance to see "good vs. evil" played out in an entertaining manner. Life is more interesting with sports than without them, even if they don't really matter in any way aside from affecting the economy of the cities they are located in.

You said it better than I did. It's crossing the boundary of entertainment into real life that I guess I am reacting against.

[MrDNA]

Evil=Ravens

I just wanted to mention that I hate the Ravens. Go 'Phins!

[Jas_lov]

We need to punch that ball in from the inside the damn 5.

You guys need to stop the Ravens O. They are moving the ball at will.

[Izulde]

Nice goal-line stand there. Announcers seem to be fellating the Ravens, which is irritating me a little.

[larrymcg421]

People trying to kill my joy in this thread.

Immature or not, "my" Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs after a 1-15 year and I'm jacked.

I hope "we" can figure out how to stop the Ravens O.

[Noop]

I use to take everything personal when it comes to Florida State but now I don't because I learned that no matter what happens the sun will rise tomorrow. Now when Florida State loses I just laugh and go read the message boards because to me I learned to find entertainment in our losses.

[Izulde]

The Ravens offense marching repeatedly is disgusting.

[Dr. Sak]

I'm glad to see Ed Hoculi doing this game.

[Bigsmooth]

Holy balls. You have to be impressed by Flacco, guy is composed.

[Jas_lov]

Flacco is apparently untouchable in this game. Dolphins aren't doing a good job putting pressure on him.

[Izulde]

Finally a third down conversion they fail.

[Bigsmooth]

That being said, as a person pulling for the Ravens (financial reasons only) I am uncomfortable every time he drops back to pass. He's starting to force some passes and I wouldn't be shocked to see a pick real soon.

[larrymcg421]

Ravens are leaving htese outside routes open. I hope Pennington keeps an eye on Ed Reed when he throws those.

[Noop]

Stupid play by Pennington.

[Izulde]

Fucking Pennington.

[Jas_lov]

What the hell was that Troy Smith play? They had been moving the ball just fine with Flacco.

[larrymcg421]

Yeah, if they were gonna do that, then they should have had him throw. Everyone on Miami keyed on him the second they saw him.

[Noop]

Did I hear that right? Miami only has two receivers?

[Bigsmooth]

Did I hear that right? Miami only has two receivers?


Yep, Bess hurt his finger tackling the guy on that interception return.

[Jas_lov]

OMG Ed Reed is so sick.

[MrDNA]

Stupid play by Pennington.

x2

[Noop]

Ugh...

[miami_fan]

Damn

[Noop]

Even if he didn't fall down it still was a bad pass. Jebus Thrist we're melting down.

[larrymcg421]

Fuck.

[Lathum]

Ed Reed is good

[kingfc22]

Yikes. Ravens D is taking this game over

[Izulde]

Man, losing Bess is just killing us. :(

[Bigsmooth]

Yikes. Ravens D is taking this game over


No doubt. Dang, it must be so nice/fun to be a Ravens fan. That D is just stifling...:popcorn:

[Cringer]

MVP play from Pennington today eh? ;)

Just messing around guys, don't take it personal. I like the guy, though I think I lean towards the Ravens since I have never liked Miami much at all.

[Izulde]

I honestly feel like we're lucky to only be down 13-3 at the half. Baltimore's just been stifling as hell on D.

[MrDNA]

Hopefully the 'Phins will at least make it interesting in the 2nd half.

[Noop]

Their defense is unreal. Pennington is looking so bad right now.

[MrDNA]

Chaddy-pooh!

[Izulde]

This is getting fucking ridiculous. Pennington throws another pick and then the Ravens ST comes up with a second assfucking downed punt near the goal line. :mad:

I'm tempted to say they should just say fuck it and throw Henne in there.

[ISiddiqui]

The Ravens D probably would love to see someone like Henne in there ;). Then again, its hard to be worse than Pennington on these last few drives.

[MrDNA]

Oh, mercy. Another turnover.

[Noop]

This is becoming a comedy of errors.

[MrDNA]

...and TMQ writes the words "Game Over" in his notebook.

[Izulde]

*sigh* It's probably getting about time to ready the forks.

[Noop]

Well it was a great run and we prevented the Patriots from going to the playoffs which to me at this point is success.

[Noop]

Wow. Ed Reed is amazing.

[Jas_lov]

LOL, another atrocious throw by Chad. That'll just about do it.

[kingfc22]

Ed Reed is a BEAST

[MrDNA]

...and TMQ writes the words "Game Over" in his notebook.

... and underlines it in red pen.

[Izulde]

What a cocktease.... to get so close to scoring.. Only to get Reeded :(

[Bigsmooth]

What a cocktease.... to get so close to scoring.. Only to get Reeded :(

Well at least he didn't take it to the house....and stuff.

[EagleFan]

Wow, Pennington is doing his "Romo in the playoffs" impersonation... either that or it's just "Chad being Chad".

[miami_fan]

The worst part is I can't even build up any sort of anger to the opposing player who is making all the plays.

[Thomkal]

I'm glad to see Ed Hoculi doing this game.

Yeah tuned into the game late and saw him as the head referree-surprised he was given a playoff game despite his past good record as a referee based on how he did this season.

[miami_fan]

Way to make a play

[miami_fan]

Way to make a play

and then fuck it up with the blocked XP

[Izulde]

Beautiful move by Bess there... and great catch by Ronnie Brown... but of course, we blow the XP and now need 2 TDs and a hell of a lot of stops.

[MrDNA]

TD + 2 pt. conversion and a figgie would tie it up if they can hold the Ratbirds scoreless.

[Jas_lov]

Or a TD, 2 point, and FG to tie. That was an amazing catch by Brown.

[Jas_lov]

Pretty amazing that Chad has thrown 4 INTs and Miami could only be down by 1 score after this drive. The Ravens have done nothing on offense this half.

[Jas_lov]

LOL, then Ginn fumbles it back 15 yards. Maybe no FG now.

[MrDNA]

If Ginn had the handle on that he was GONE.

[Noop]

F*CK GINN! YOU DUMB@$$

[Buccaneer]

nm :)

[Noop]

I repeat a comedy of errors.

[EagleFan]

Hate to say it but it almost looks like the 07 'fins showed up for this one.

[Izulde]

Fucking faggot ass whorebitch Ginn. Fucking probably slobbing Cam Cameron's fucking drafting ass after that fumble. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Buccaneer]

I repeat a comedy of errors.

What? The last two pages? :)

[Noop]

The thing that is becoming clear is we are lucky to be in the playoffs and we're missing a top flight receiver.

[Noop]

What? The last two pages? :)

No I meant the game but unless I am missing something.

[MrDNA]

Fucking faggot ass whorebitch Ginn. Fucking probably slobbing Cam Cameron's fucking drafting ass after that fumble. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Wow, Izulde has reached the point where his cursing as obscured whatever he's trying to say. I can tell he's mad, though. I wouldn't blame Ginn too much for that, if was a blown play all around.

[larrymcg421]

Fuck you, Cameron. Come back as a head coach and do something.

[MrDNA]

Wow, that Vikings/Eagles intro rap was AWFUL.

[Buccaneer]

Fuck you, Cameron. Come back as a head coach and do something.

Like go 1-15? :confused:

Were expectations that high for the Dolphins?

[larrymcg421]

Like go 1-15? :confused:

Were expectations that high for the Dolphins?

I'm referring to him celebrating his "revenge" against us. I'm saying, he can celebrate when he comes back as a head coach and beats the Dolphins. Until then, he's one of the shittiest head coaches in NFL history.

[Deattribution]

If I were a Dolphins fan I'd be happy with the season, surely nobody actually expected them to win the SB even after they made the playoffs, so what's the difference between going out this round or the next? It was a great season regardless.

[larrymcg421]

Oh, I'm happy about this season. Shit, I was happy when we won the 2nd game when we got to 8 wins, and then when we won the division.

It's a great season, but that doesn't mean I'm not upset about the ending or still bitter about Cam Cameron.

[Deattribution]

I don't think Cameron should be talking about revenge at all, since it was his mess, so what is he getting revenge over?

But without his dog of a season Miami doesn't get Jake Long, Sporano, Ireland, Parcells ect. Especially if they limp to a 7-9 or 8-8 season last year. So he did Miami a favor.

[Eaglesfan27]

DeSean Jackson!!

[RedKingGold]

It's really, really, really early, however, I gotta say that McNabb has impressed me so far today. He's had a quick release against a really good Viking pass rush, and has shown some of that escapability of old.

[Eaglesfan27]

Nice to see Akers kicking better. Of course, it'd be nicer to see the offense finish a drive. However, overall I've also been impressed by McNabb today.

[mauchow]

This game continues to show why I hate Childress so much. LOL

Ugggh.. I am still very confident the Vikings defense will play well enough to keep the Vikings in it and eventually allow the Vikings to win this one.

[mauchow]

LOL @ the announcers complimenting the wrong quarterback. "Tarvaris has been great so far...." Uhhhhhh... He's made two passes he should have made and threw an out about 5 yards too far out on a key play. I like TJ a lot but he's been sub par so far.

[RedKingGold]

Eagles defense not being aggressive enough on third downs.

EDIT: Dawkins lost a certain interception in the Metrodome lights.

[mauchow]

Nice conversion there... keep it up Kings.

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn.. was scared of that happening.

[MizzouRah]

Peterson is a BEAST.. Get out of his way REF!!!!

[ISiddiqui]

:eek:

What a job by the Offensive Line of Minnesota. Peterson wasn't even touched until he was going into the end zone.

[MrDNA]

:eek:

What a job by the Offensive Line of Minnesota. Peterson wasn't even touched until he was showboating his way into the end zone.

Agreed.