Under Armour High School All-American Game

[Noop]

John Martinez to USC. Great pickup and expected.

[Noop]

Russell Shepard shows that scrambling ability.

[Noop]

Shepard needs to work on his passing game but his athletic ability is very apparent.

[mckerney]

Hopefully Minnesota commits QB Moses Alipate and TE Ra'Shede Hageman can do something together at some point this game.

[Noop]

The Florida State kicker gets blocked... :( Matt Barkley on the deck.

[Noop]

ESPN - 2009 Under Armour All-America Game Player Profiles - Football Recruiting (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=3315757)
Game Roster

[Noop]

Matt Barkley with the touchdown strike to Marlon Brown.

[DeToxRox]

Michigan commit Craig Roh is lookin' good early. Gonna be a filthy DE.

[DeToxRox]

Noop - What's gonna happen with the (Seminole I think?) kids commiting today?

DeBose and them.

[Tigercat]

I think Shepard is going to see the field right away, but almost exclusively running a "wild tiger" type formation. He should be deadly in that, and will be a good compliment to Jordan Jefferson.

[Tigercat]

Debose is likely Florida, although LSU is a possibility. Ray Ray is Miami. Dye to Florida State.

[Noop]

Noop - What's gonna happen with the (Seminole I think?) kids commiting today?

DeBose and them.

DeBose - Florida
Ray Ray and Dyron - Miami, although the latter may become a Seminole before signing day.

[Noop]

Demonte is going to be a stud at Florida State.

[DeToxRox]

This game seems a lot more competitive then yesterdays Army AA Bowl.

[Noop]

This game seems a lot more competitive then yesterdays Army AA Bowl.

Because yesterday's game was filled with alot of Tom Lemming favored players.

[DeToxRox]

Because yesterday's game was filled with alot of Tom Lemming favored players.

Well obviously, but I mean there is a lot more emotion out there so far tonight.

[Eaglesfan27]

John Martinez to USC. Great pickup and expected.


Missed this thread and put it in the main college recruiting thread. Yes, this one was expected but still very happy to see it happen. Just starting to watch the game on DVR after catching up on dinner.

[Noop]

As expected Ray Ray Armstrong is a Cane.

[DeToxRox]

Craig Roh is seriously getting pressure every play he is in.

[Eaglesfan27]

Matt Barkley with the touchdown strike to Marlon Brown.

Strong throw, great run by Marlon. Excellent to see Barkley have a strong start tonight.

[DeToxRox]

Loston = beast

[Noop]

Loston is very good and LSU is getting a star.

[Noop]

Jeffery looks a little slow.

[Noop]

Barkley is impressive.

[Tigercat]

Some of these guys are overdoing it a bit with the free underarmor accessories.

[Noop]

Boy oh boy Matt Barkley is going to be a stud in the future, this kid has number 1 pick potential.

[Noop]

Debose is the truth.

[Eaglesfan27]

Loston is very good and LSU is getting a star.

Yes, he is. Very impressed with him tonight.

Jeffery looks a little slow.

Yeah, but he should be a nice big target in the redzone and his hands are impressive.

Barkley is impressive.

Yes, he is. So excited to see him take over the Trojan offense after a redshirt year.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. Just saw that pretty deep ball from Barkley to Reid.

[Tigercat]

I hope Shep to Debose is a small taste of the future. I still think he committs to Florida today, but if I had to pick one, I would pick Debose over even Ruben Randle. Debose's senior highlight film is beyond sick.

[Eaglesfan27]

Heh. Who was saying that Brehaut was as good as Barkley on here again?

[Tigercat]

Josh Downs is looking very good today as well. The most underrated defensive linemen in the nation, IMO.

[Tigercat]

Yuck, Shep with some serious happy feet in the pocket there.

[Eaglesfan27]

There is a recruiting "expert" on one of the USC boards who says Debose is going to surprise everyone and pick USC tonight. I sure hope he is right (but I'm not counting on it.)

[Noop]

I would be shocked if Debose picked USC, absolutely shocked.

[JW]

I teach one of these kid, Montrell Conner. Great kid. Great work ethic. Committed to Miss. St. verbally but not sure what he is gonna do. He will not really get showcased in this game. He is more a power runner type with speed, the kind who gets better as he gets more carries.

[bhlloy]

There is no way Dubose goes to USC. He hasn't even visited.

[Eaglesfan27]

There is no way Dubose goes to USC. He hasn't even visited.


Yeah, I think it is extremely unlikely as well for that reason. Still, it is nice to dream for a few hours. That kid looks like an amazing athlete.

[MacroGuru]

Xavier Su'a-Filo (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=59052), Timpview (Utah)

BYU wants this kid badly, and he is refusing because he wants to start as a freshman and feels that he will get overlooked.

[Tigercat]

Isn't he still planning on taking his mission right away?

[MacroGuru]

Isn't he still planning on taking his mission right away?

I don't think so...if that was the case, his main concern, nepotism (because of the Reynolds boys) would be a moot point.

[Chief Rum]

Heh. Who was saying that Brehaut was as good as Barkley on here again?

I didn't say this (Bug maybe), nor do I believe this. But this is typical of you to take a blind, unprovoked stab like this, and is typical behavior for why I can't stand Trojan fans. Congrats on living "up" to the stereotype.

[BYU 14]

I don't think so...if that was the case, his main concern, nepotism (because of the Reynolds boys) would be a moot point.

I don't know why he would shy away from that though. Matt Reynolds will be the only returning starter on the line and I think Xavier is better than Houston (who is still on his mission) I think Filo could start next year if he has a good Fall camp, though it will be tough.

The one BYU really needs is Manti T'eo, he will start as a true freshman as the linebacking corp is thin. From what I have been reading lately it sounds like he is the Cougars to lose, but you can never count Pete Carroll out.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ok. I did a search and Bug didn't say that like I thought he did. All he posted was about Brehaut winning the Elite 11 camp and then I asked if Barkley was there, and he admitted he wasn't. So, I was wrong to post that comment, but I really do hate UCLA and I mis-remembered that post from 5 months ago. Anyway, Brehaut is not looking good out there tonight. Meanwhile, Barkley had a great showing. Looking forwrd to seeing them battle in the future.

[Chief Rum]

Xavier Su'a-Filo (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=59052), Timpview (Utah)

BYU wants this kid badly, and he is refusing because he wants to start as a freshman and feels that he will get overlooked.

Interesting that he said that (I didn't know he valued starting so much), considering I know he won't start at USC or BYU (and probably not at LSU), but he would certainly get every chance to start at UCLA. I have heard rumors the Bruins staff is doing well with him, but last I checked we were still distantly behind those three schools, and one other (Notre Dame?).

I expected to lose Martinez to USC, and I don't anticipate Su'a-Filo coming to Westwood either (both were always long, long shots), but since now we know Martinez isn't coming, it puts a little more pressure on the staff to try to make a push on Su'a-Filo.

[MacroGuru]

I don't know why he would shy away from that though. Matt Reynolds will be the only returning starter on the line and I think Xavier is better than Houston (who is still on his mission) I think Filo could start next year if he has a good Fall camp, though it will be tough.

The one BYU really needs is Manti T'eo, he will start as a true freshman as the linebacking corp is thin. From what I have been reading lately it sounds like he is the Cougars to lose, but you can never count Pete Carroll out.

Honestly, from what I am hearing in the circles is he wants to start, doesn't think he will be given a fair shot at BYU and then I have heard his father is influencing him to go elsewhere, which I find is funny...they brought him to Timpview to get him into the D1 level at BYU..

As for Manti, if BYU does lose him...they have to not be doing something right, we have all his family members he wants to play with committed, we have the understanding and know how for the post mission training and he will be starting, but with Carrol and the boosters who knows....

[Chief Rum]

Ok. I did a search and Bug didn't say that like I thought he did. All he posted was about Brehaut winning the Elite 11 camp and then I asked if Barkley was there, and he admitted he wasn't. So, I was wrong to post that comment, but I really do hate UCLA and I mis-remembered that post from 5 months ago. Anyway, Brehaut is not looking good out there tonight. Meanwhile, Barkley had a great showing. Looking forwrd to seeing them battle in the future.

That just makes it worse (worse in the sense that you should have checked that out yourself before posting). Especially since you haven't edited the original post, as of my response here.

I know you really do hate UCLA, and it shows with how classy you act about the rivalry. I know a lot of Trojans and Trojan fans up close and personal, since I am still out here in CA, and for the most part, they are good people. And for the most part, Bruins fans are good people, too. And I know Bruins fans who bring shame to the name as well, with whom I am as disgusted as any Trojan fan.

I don't think it is too much to ask that you try to be one of the good and reasonable Trojan fans, or at least, don't be so petty until you are provoked, at the very least.

I look forward to Brehaut versus Barkley in the future as well.

[bhlloy]

Interesting that he said that (I didn't know he valued starting so much), considering I know he won't start at USC or BYU (and probably not at LSU), but he would certainly get every chance to start at UCLA. I have heard rumors the Bruins staff is doing well with him, but last I checked we were still distantly behind those three schools, and one other (Notre Dame?).



My thoughts exactly. I'm interested in knowing where Macro got the idea he turned down BYU because he wanted to start as a freshman? Everything i have heard has LSU and USC well out in front - both places where he wouldn't see the field for a couple of years. If true, it's a huge plus for UCLA.

[Eaglesfan27]

That just makes it worse (worse in the sense that you should have checked that out yourself before posting). Especially since you haven't edited the original post, as of my response here.

I know you really do hate UCLA, and it shows with how classy you act about the rivalry. I know a lot of Trojans and Trojan fans up close and personal, since I am still out here in CA, and for the most part, they are good people. And for the most part, Bruins fans are good people, too. And I know Bruins fans who bring shame to the name as well, with whom I am as disgusted as any Trojan fan.

I don't think it is too much to ask that you try to be one of the good and reasonable Trojan fans, or at least, don't be so petty until you are provoked, at the very least.

I look forward to Brehaut versus Barkley in the future as well.

Once again, you question my overall character over some harmless rivalry comments - that are quite tame. Again, if you will judge me by that, I don't care 1 bit about your opinion.

[Tigercat]

Greg Reid is looking awesome. Followed up by a nice TD run by Shep.

[Eaglesfan27]

Greg Reid is looking awesome. Followed up by a nice TD run by Shep.


Reid has been constantly catching my eye. Looks like a great player.

[MacroGuru]

My thoughts exactly. I'm interested in knowing where Macro got the idea he turned down BYU because he wanted to start as a freshman? Everything i have heard has LSU and USC well out in front - both places where he wouldn't see the field for a couple of years. If true, it's a huge plus for UCLA.

Well, alumni of Timpview, coached at one of the high schools, friend of parents of several players on the Timpview team and oh.....I am tight with the Polynesian circle in the area.

When it comes to a lot of the Polynesians playing in the area and where they are going I keep my eyes and ears open, I grew up with a lot of the kids brothers, cousins and such...I imported Taro root from the islands and sold to most of their families as a business after high school....that kind of stuff helps me stay in the loop.

[BYU 14]

Honestly, from what I am hearing in the circles is he wants to start, doesn't think he will be given a fair shot at BYU and then I have heard his father is influencing him to go elsewhere, which I find is funny...they brought him to Timpview to get him into the D1 level at BYU..


I hope that's not true. Looking at who will be back next year, from what I have seen of X he has the talent to start. In fact in my mind Matt Reynolds is the only one penciled in. Sorenson has been injury prone and may never reach his pre-mission level and Willing who started before his mission was not that impressive. All I know is we need to get some damn speed on defense or it won't matter who starts on the line next year :)

[MacroGuru]

I hope that's not true. Looking at who will be back next year, from what I have seen of X he has the talent to start. In fact in my mind Matt Reynolds is the only one penciled in. Sorenson has been injury prone and may never reach his pre-mission level and Willing who started before his mission was not that impressive. All I know is we need to get some damn speed on defense or it won't matter who starts on the line next year :)

If we nail X and Manti, with Wilson committing at the TE spot and the others, it would be our best recruiting class ever.

[Chief Rum]

Once again, you question my overall character over some harmless rivalry comments - that are quite tame. Again, if you will judge me by that, I don't care 1 bit about your opinion.

If you have character, it shows in everything you do.

[bhlloy]

Well, alumni of Timpview, coached at one of the high schools, friend of parents of several players on the Timpview team and oh.....I am tight with the Polynesian circle in the area.

When it comes to a lot of the Polynesians playing in the area and where they are going I keep my eyes and ears open, I grew up with a lot of the kids brothers, cousins and such...I imported Taro root from the islands and sold to most of their families as a business after high school....that kind of stuff helps me stay in the loop.

Cool - didn't mean to challenge you, was just interested in finding out whether it was second hand free board information, or real good stuff :D

Is it a beef his family has with the coaching staff at BYU? Or just that he doesn't think he can beat out the OT's already on the roster? At SC, he's not going to beat out Charles Brown, Nick Howell, Tyron Smith or Butch Lewis (and probably not Matt Kalil) as a freshman, so if starting in year 1 is his priority, he's not going to come to SC.

I heard he's very close to Martinez and they might be a package, but he wants to check out LSU first.

[Eaglesfan27]

Another impressive throw by Barkley.

[Eaglesfan27]

Oh well, so much for the dream. Great get for Florida.

[MacroGuru]

Cool - didn't mean to challenge you, was just interested in finding out whether it was second hand free board information, or real good stuff :D

Is it a beef his family has with the coaching staff at BYU? Or just that he doesn't think he can beat out the OT's already on the roster? At SC, he's not going to beat out Charles Brown, Nick Howell, Tyron Smith or Butch Lewis (and probably not Matt Kalil) as a freshman, so if starting in year 1 is his priority, he's not going to come to SC.

I heard he's very close to Martinez and they might be a package, but he wants to check out LSU first.

My understanding is it's mainly a beef with the nepotism angle at BYU....look at this way...

Reynolds (4 brothers have cycled through)
Doman (4 family members)
Cahoon (2 brothers)
Anae (Coaches son plays with X at Timpview, committed)
Covey (Booster money)
Fowler (Blaine was a QB back in the 80's, his son was the senior FS)
White (Danny Whites son)
Ah You (2 borthers)
Collie (Austin is the 3rd of his family to play at BYU)
Kozlowski (son of Glen, McMahon's WR)
White (Danny whites son)
Unga (2 brothers)

He is looking at this big family thing, I hope it plays out well and he stays because I know a few of his cousins are on the team.

[Tigercat]

Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

[Noop]

I hope Florida State can land Greg Reid that kid is shut down.

[Chief Rum]

My understanding is it's mainly a beef with the nepotism angle at BYU....look at this way...

Reynolds (4 brothers have cycled through)
Doman (4 family members)
Cahoon (2 brothers)
Anae (Coaches son plays with X at Timpview, committed)
Covey (Booster money)
Fowler (Blaine was a QB back in the 80's, his son was the senior FS)
White (Danny Whites son)
Ah You (2 borthers)
Collie (Austin is the 3rd of his family to play at BYU)
Kozlowski (son of Glen, McMahon's WR)
White (Danny whites son)
Unga (2 brothers)

He is looking at this big family thing, I hope it plays out well and he stays because I know a few of his cousins are on the team.

Hmm, I must not be paying attention, but this seems to argue for him coming to BYU, not against him. After all, he already has family on the team. He doesn't like the nepotism angle...and yet he is poised to benefit from said same nepotism? Or is this some stand on principle, wherein he doesn't want to succeeed where there is even the suggestion of nepotism aiding his cause? If so, that seems kind of out of place, to hold to such a high moral standard as a kid his age, and especially when everyone already pretty much acknowledges he has the talent to play for any D1 team (so, not like he needs the nepotism help).

[Chief Rum]

Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

Yeah, that frustrated me. I would have liked to see a little more Brehaut (even though he didn't play well while in there).

[MacroGuru]

Hmm, I must not be paying attention, but this seems to argue for him coming to BYU, not against him. After all, he already has family on the team. He doesn't like the nepotism angle...and yet he is poised to benefit from said same nepotism? Or is this some stand on principle, wherein he doesn't want to succeeed where there is even the suggestion of nepotism aiding his cause? If so, that seems kind of out of place, to hold to such a high moral standard as a kid his age, and especially when everyone already pretty much acknowledges he has the talent to play for any D1 team (so, not like he needs the nepotism help).

Yeah I don't know....I feel like the Uona and Havili thing with him is happening again

[Chief Rum]

BTW, Campanaro looks like a good get for Wake Forest, but that said, that announcer is a dumbass. My understanding is that UCLA commit Robby Toma also caught all the balls in that skills test, and that Toma in fact won that whole skills test competition for WRs. It would have been nice for the announcer to at least have known that. :rolleyes:

[mckerney]

Reid almost had another INT. I feel bad for white's other QBs, the coaches on that team must be in love with Barkley's arm so much that they have forgotten that you are suppose to rotate QBs in these games.

Disappointing Alipate didn't see more time. From the throws he made it really looks like he's got really nice arm strength.

[Tigercat]

Yeah, that frustrated me. I would have liked to see a little more Brehaut (even though he didn't play well while in there).

And black pulled Shep while he was in the middle of a drive for a potential tie. Ah well.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah I don't know....I feel like the Uona and Havili thing with him is happening again

Heh...Uona. Don't get me started there, considering Mr Travelling Commit also committed to UCLA for a time before ending up in South Central.

[Chief Rum]

And black pulled Shep while he was in the middle of a drive for a potential tie. Ah well.

Saw that. Love his athleticism, which is always a bonus in college (although looking at Vick and Young and so forth, I am questioning more if that style of QB can work in the NFL--short of being an exceptional player on top of being athletic; of course, NFL is way, way in the future...)

[Tigercat]

Saw that. Love his athleticism, which is always a bonus in college (although looking at Vick and Young and so forth, I am questioning more if that style of QB can work in the NFL--short of being an exceptional player on top of being athletic; of course, NFL is way, way in the future...)

Unfortunately for his NFL future, I am pretty sure he will stay at QB. He has a good enough attitude and work ethic that at QB his basement is a slightly more athletic Pat White. Even if LSU doesn't want that that kind of player as their primary/only QB, you don't pass up having that kind of weapon behind center for certain situations.

[MrBug708]

Heh. Who was saying that Brehaut was as good as Barkley on here again?

No one. The only one whose called a player overrated was you calling Pressley overrated the minute he switched his verbal to UCLA

[Eaglesfan27]

No, I just responded to you using the most favorable rating and said that some scouting services hadn't rated him as high. By the way, Pressley didn't look good last night, dropping several catchable passes.

[MrBug708]

No, I just responded to you using the most favorable rating and said that some scouting services hadn't rated him as high. By the way, Pressley didn't look good last night, dropping several catchable passes.

Which scouting services dont have him rated that high?

[Eaglesfan27]

Rivals for one. You said he was a #1 TE 5 star player. Rivals has him as a 4 star TE who is ranked 3rd at the position. That was my point. It was still an impressive get for Slick Rick, but really not that surprising in retrospect with all of Pressley's UCLA connections.

[MrBug708]

As I believe I have said before, I dont bother with Rivals.

But what makes him overrated compared to other TE's? You listed one scouting service, but what are the other services that have him lower then #1?

[Eaglesfan27]

As I believe I have said before, I dont bother with Rivals.

But what makes him overrated compared to other TE's? You listed one scouting service, but what are the other services that have him lower then #1?

If you want to dismiss a major service, that is your choice. As far as why I think he is overrated compared to other TE's, he is too slender to be an effective blocker. That being said, there are rumors that Slick Rick has promised him he'll play WR, so that might not be an issue. Then again, I don't think his speed is nearly as special at WR.

[MrBug708]

If you want to dismiss a major service, that is your choice.

Didn't you? UCLA's Rival site is soring lacking and Rivals is medicore when it comes to basketball.

As far as why I think he is overrated compared to other TE's, he is too slender to be an effective blocker.

You don't think it's possible that an 17 year old won't add muscle mass to his body?

That being said, there are rumors that Slick Rick has promised him he'll play WR, so that might not be an issue. Then again, I don't think his speed is nearly as special at WR.

He is 6'4/213/4.53. Compare those numbers to 6'5/210/4.5 of another TE who played pretty well as a WR in college.

[Eaglesfan27]

Sure, he'll add muscle mass. But there are other TE's, such as Logan Thomas, who are more complete right now and that is why I think his #1 ranking is a bit overrated. I didn't dismiss Scouts. I just stated that I think he is overrated a bit and that he isn't a consensus #1 TE or a consensus 5 star player.

[MrBug708]

This is the same rivals who demoted Matt Barkley right?

[Eaglesfan27]

This is the same rivals who demoted Matt Barkley right?

Yeah, with most of his starters gone, he had a relatively bad year statistically that got his ranking demoted. Of course, in the games where his offensive line actually gave him protection, he did well. I'm confident that his line at USC will be much better ;)

[MrBug708]

I would assume so. I do hope that Sanchez leaves early though, Im curious to see how the QB spot would shake out next year then. If Barkley doesnt win the job, things could get interesting!

[Noop]

Eaglesfan I think your being a bit of a homer for calling Pressley overrated, all those rankings are subjective. From what I saw out of him he is most certainly one of the best tightends in the country. Also rivals is known to put alot of stock in their camps for players to be rated high.

Guys like Willie Downs, Ray Ray Armstrong and countless others should be five star prospects but they did not go to all of the camps and thus are four stars. I think Ray Ray is one of the best players in the country and a definate top 10.