Lost Season 5 Thread - There'd be Spoilers if Anyone Knew What The Hell Was Happening

[Pyser]

seriously, people. the season started a day ago and no thread on it at all? i know its losing viewers, but if youre still in, youre in for the duration

no one else is still psyched about the show? i know i am

and bring on the haters. theyll show up soon, i know.

[samifan24]

I thought both episodes last night were pretty weak.

[Pyser]

there was certainly no "holy shit!" moment. and they are treading on some SERIOUSLY slippery ground (i cant stand time travel shit).

but the re-introduction of ms hawking is very interesting, as was the possible flash forward/flashback thing opening the show with farraday. did he travel on his own, or did the island take him there and we flashed forward?

is there a worse character now than kate? im ready for her to die, please. adding the talking kid only makes it that much more intolerable.

still, intriguing enough to talk about.

[samifan24]

is there a worse character now than kate? im ready for her to die, please.

Juliet Burke.

[DeToxRox]

The flaming arrows were fucking awesome.

I loved last night.

[MrDNA]

I think they're playing fast and loose with two different concepts of time travel. You've got your Back to the Future type where you can go back and walk around and actually do stuff and the Slaughterhouse 5 "unstuck in time" where your consciousness just jumps around (like Desmond has been doing for a while). They just seem to be grabbing from whichever is convenient. As a nerd, this bugs me. If, like Daniel said, they couldn't do anything "new" when the island jumped, then why the heck were they all together, why did the soldiers find them, why did Ethan shoot John, etc. etc.?

[chadritt]

My theory is that Daniel is wrong and doesnt understand time travel as well as he thinks he does.

[rjolley]

I enjoyed the episodes.

Daniel understands things differently than he explained it. If he didn't, why would he try to get Desmond to help them?

Kate and Juliet are ok, but if Jack yells out that they have to go back one more time...

And a nice appearance by Anna Lucia and mention of Libby. (there can be spoilers in this thread, right?)

[sabotai]

I liked the episodes, but no bombs were dropped. But they are doing a good job in setting up the rest of the season.

[Pyser]

id say spoilers only for something that already aired are fine. i mean, if 5 seasons in you dont know to stay away until you watch, youre an idiot. but if it hasnt aired yet, keep your mouth shut

[Poli]

I just finished them. I enjoyed them. I am a Lost junkie, though.

[Tasan]

I enjoyed them. I really think that Daniel only thinks he knows what is going on. Although, he has lied before, convincingly, so it could all be a ploy to accomplish something further we don't know about yet.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If, like Daniel said, ...

Since I don't watch Lost I read this & wondered wth this guy had to do with anything.
http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/w/images/f/f3/Djssg1s1.jpg

[Raiders Army]

Not watching this season but it's due to the fact we don't get NBC and ABC more than anything else.

[MrDNA]

I forget the dude's name, but that extra who got hit with the first flaming arrow... MAN he was annoying! I cheered when he got hit.

[samifan24]

Not watching this season but it's due to the fact we don't get NBC and ABC more than anything else.

You know you watch episodes on ABC's website, right?

[Captain2711]

I forget the dude's name, but that extra who got hit with the first flaming arrow... MAN he was annoying! I cheered when he got hit.

Frogurt!!!!

[Swaggs]

I thought those episodes were more of the plot-moving variety, rather than "wow" episodes. It is a little disappointing that the season premier wasn't a little more monumental, but it was good enough for me.

At this point, I'm pretty well resigned to sticking with Lost through its end date. I've said it before, but the acting in Lost, for the most part, is really outstanding and most of the actors (outside of Kate, Jack, and Claire) are capable of entertaining me with very average writing (I think the writing is usually better than average, but you get the point).

Also, put me in the camp that thinks that Farraday is not telling the whole truth. The fact that he was in the opening scene, when Dr. Candle was filming his instructional video, lead me to believe that he had played with time travel in the past and knows that he can manipulate the future with it.

[flere-imsaho]

Awesome thread title, by the way.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I finally watched the two episodes last night. I liked it. I really like the concept of the characters on the island moving around randomly in time. It sets up for all sorts of cool possibilities.

I really had no complaints. A very solid two hours.

Who was the priest/druid woman in the church that Ben was talking to at the end? Have we seen her before? I am fuzzy on a lot of the old details.

Edit: Oh, I guess that's "Ms. Hawking." I don't remember her from that episode.

[OldGiants]

I loved the flaming arrow attack, although who fired off the arrows is a complete mystery to me.

Ms. Hawking sitting in a lab under a church with computers and Foucault's Pendulum on the floor was a great moment for me. Is she using that to pin point the Island's location? That pendulum proves the Earth rotates. How did Ben get to her so quickly? She's the one who sold Desmond a ring for Penny, isn't she?

Ben: "It's okay, I understand people have difficulty trusting me."

Cheech making a ham and cheese sandwich and then slathering cavier over it, like mustard.

Why was Aaron watching an old Superman cartoon from the 1950's in his first scene? A hidden message? Kids today won't watch the old cartoons at all, is my experience with Elementary school age kids.

[Edward64]

I got tired of being teased after season 2.

Can you fans give everyone else a concise description of what is going on?

Ex. So I guess time travel is part of the story? What was the ghost monster from season 1?

[MrDNA]

I got tired of being teased after season 2.

Can you fans give everyone else a concise description of what is going on?

Ex. So I guess time travel is part of the story? What was the ghost monster from season 1?

See the thread title, man; no one has any idea what's going on. I don't recall having seen the smoke monster or a polar bear for a long, long time - right now it's about the island being "moved" (through time, I think) and the characters jumping around in time. If I hadn't already invested so much time in this show I would be goooooooooone. :D

[rjolley]

Last smoke monster sighting I recall was Ben calling it to attack the mercenaries after his "daughter" was shot.

[chesapeake]

Frogurt!!!!

"My name is Neil!!!"

If you didn't see the occasional Lost clips on their website, I don't believe that you would have any idea who Frogurt is. He does a funny bit with Hurley set just before Hurley goes on his date with Libby.

+1 on the Ana Lucia appearance.

When Farraday told Desmond to go find his mother, I turned to my wife and said "Ms. Hawking." Since we are at the point in the series where it is a little late to be introducing new characters of significance, my money is still on this.

Farraday certainly knows more than he has said. I think he has the same sort of flashes that Desmond had (has?) because he exposed himself to his own experiment, but he has a better grasp of them and has written down everything he could remember into his notebook. So it might be more accurate to say that he may know more, but, like Desmond, he doesn't always fully understand how what he has seen fits into the linear context of time.

If time travel isn't your thing, you're in the wrong show. It has been pretty clear for some time that time is integral to the plot.

[spleen1015]

No good WTF? moments. I was disappointed by the 2nd hour. Keep Hurley's parents off the show.

This week's episode is getting a good amount of hype. We'll see what happens.

[Samdari]

If time travel isn't your thing, you're in the wrong show. It has been pretty clear for some time that time is integral to the plot.

I HATE that time travel is one of the secrets of the island, especially considering that they promised some "scientifically plausible" explanations, and clearly time travel is not.

But, I have invested four years of Wednesdays into this, and am invested in the characters, so I stick around, but have largely stopped enjoying it.

[StLee]

In Season 1, there were the "Adam and Eve" skeletons that I have always believed to be two of the Oceanic people, meaning time travel of some sort was always possible. Based on Season 1, I assumed Jack and Kate.

Of course, based on the DHARMA films along with Ben's trek from tropics to arctic, there are some definitive time travel moments.

As far as science is concerned, it was never a factor from teh very beginning: ghosts, smoke monster, esp (or whatever Walt had), mind (or time) jumping by Desmond, and, hell, even the instant mastery of a gun and survival skills some of the nitwits had. This show was never meant to be scientific at all.

[Samdari]

This show was never meant to be scientific at all.

The producers of this show done (mostly) weekly podcasts since the beginning.

Some of the popular fan theories in season 1 centered on the mystical/metaphysical/spiritual (i.e. they are in purgatory). The producers swore up and down that there was a scientific explanation to it all. So, if it was never meant to be scientific, the people creating the story told some big lies.

Now that time travel is seemingly the central mystery, I feel decieved, as I feel that is fantasy.

[chesapeake]

There is a very solid basis in current theories in physics for time travel, FWIW. My sense is that the time travel used in the show is based on one of these theories.

[jonesz]

The fact that he was in the opening scene, when Dr. Candle was filming his instructional video, lead me to believe that he had played with time travel in the past and knows that he can manipulate the future with it.


My thought about the opening scene is I bet the dude from the freighter group, that can talk to dead people, is Dr. Candle's baby that was shown in it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

My thought about the opening scene is I bet the dude from the freighter group, that can talk to dead people, is Dr. Candle's baby that was shown in it.

Miles? Yeah, I had that thought as well.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

An interesting, though dense, retort to the whole "time travel must be considered fantasy" argument.

Powell's Books - PowellsBooks.BLOG - Lost: Telling Time (http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=4476#more-4476)

[Noop]

My thought about the opening scene is I bet the dude from the freighter group, that can talk to dead people, is Dr. Candle's baby that was shown in it.

Actually I thought the baby was Sun's father.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Not sure how the timing would work on that, since Sun's father has got to be 60 or 70 and Candle appears to have an infant in the 70s.

Then again...

[Honolulu_Blue]

The producers of this show done (mostly) weekly podcasts since the beginning.

Some of the popular fan theories in season 1 centered on the mystical/metaphysical/spiritual (i.e. they are in purgatory). The producers swore up and down that there was a scientific explanation to it all. So, if it was never meant to be scientific, the people creating the story told some big lies.

Now that time travel is seemingly the central mystery, I feel decieved, as I feel that is fantasy.

Well, like Faraday said:

“You have no idea how difficult it would be for me to explain this phenomenon to a quantum physicist. “That would be difficult. So for me to try and explain this….”

They only have 33 more hours. They aint got time to do all this 'splaining to the likes of us.

[Noop]

Not sure how the timing would work on that, since Sun's father has got to be 60 or 70 and Candle appears to have an infant in the 70s.

Then again...

Time travel. I think Charles Widmore use to be on the island as well but some how was tricked into turning the wheel. I am starting to think that Ben is really the good guy in all of this because he seems so dedicated to the island.

[DataKing]

An interesting, though dense, retort to the whole "time travel must be considered fantasy" argument.

Powell's Books - PowellsBooks.BLOG - Lost: Telling Time (http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=4476#more-4476)

Fantastic link. Thanks.

[Samdari]

There is a very solid basis in current theories in physics for time travel, FWIW. My sense is that the time travel used in the show is based on one of these theories.

I assume you are referring to time dilation, a phenomenon predicted by relativity?

This has long been extrapolated by non-physicists to mean time travel is possible, but there is absolutely nothing in that theory suggesting that one could move back to a time that has already occurred.

There is no scientific basis for time travel the way it is presented here. I guess "solid basis" is in the eye of the beholder, but I will forever feel the promise of a "scientific explanation" was broken.

[sabotai]

I assume you are referring to time dilation, a phenomenon predicted by relativity?

No, he's not talking about time dilation. There are some really advanced (as in, like Faraday said in the episode, it's very difficult for quantum physicists to understand) theories about time travel. I read about them (a very general overview) awhile ago, and it was just over my head. But when Faraday said "you can't change what has already happened", it reminded me of them.

[chesapeake]

FWIW, Hawking has hypothesized that once spacetime is warped in the right way, you could move both backwards and forwards within that warping. But you couldn't go back in the timeline to before the warping occurred.

The island Losties are bouncing around, apparently within a finite period of time. It is possible that the writers are trying to adhere to Hawking's theories.

I think you also need to cut them some slack. I don't think that it is fair to insist that some Hollywood writers have to solve the problem of time travel in order to meet the promise of a "scientific explanation." I think a good faith effort to stick to Hawking or another theory of time while adding a healthy dose of conjecture and cool stuff hardly makes the show a travesty.

That said, I could understand it better if you were complaining about the ambulatory dead people and white horses. I have no idea how they will scientifically explain those without resorting to a downed UFO or lost civilization scenario.

[gstelmack]

An interesting, though dense, retort to the whole "time travel must be considered fantasy" argument.

Powell's Books - PowellsBooks.BLOG - Lost: Telling Time (http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=4476#more-4476)

Good god, how do you people FOLLOW this show? I'm impressed.

[Samdari]

No, he's not talking about time dilation. There are some really advanced (as in, like Faraday said in the episode, it's very difficult for quantum physicists to understand) theories about time travel. I read about them (a very general overview) awhile ago, and it was just over my head. But when Faraday said "you can't change what has already happened", it reminded me of them.

These "advanced" theories are very unlikely to be have been proposed by serious physicists.

And I am not expecting them to solve the problem of time travel in order to meet the promise of a "scientific explanation." To me, the very promise of a scientifically plausible explanation means time travel is not involved, period.

I am very disappointed, but as I said earlier, still follow, because I have to know how pretty much any story I start ends.

[kingfc22]

Can somebody please refresh my memory as to who "Ms. Hawking" is. I don't recall her in any previous episodes, but I do believe that she is Daniel's mother.

Thank goodness that dude got shot by the arrows. I was loving that scene.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Can somebody please refresh my memory as to who "Ms. Hawking" is. I don't recall her in any previous episodes, but I do believe that she is Daniel's mother.

Thank goodness that dude got shot by the arrows. I was loving that scene.

Here you go:

Ms. Hawking - LOST (http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking)

[Easy Mac]

My ear hurts because I just got mind-fucked

[MrDNA]

Really nice episode tonight. I enjoyed the the threads being connected (Locke meeting young Widmore, Locke telling Richard to visit him as a child). Also, I like how Farraday is becoming a more complex character than his "gee shucks" attitude at first made it seem.

[Swaggs]

The problem that I am having with the first 3-hours of this season is that the contents of each episode are fine as a segment of the greater story, but the individual episodes have not been very entertaining.

Up until this season, it seemed like there was a quality, one-hour show (with a beginning, middle, and end/climax) along with some meat that moved along the overall plot (sometimes a little bit, sometimes a ton). This season's episodes make me feel like I'm watching the first 15-20 minutes of a 2-hour movie.

[SFL Cat]

See, the X-Files spoiled shows like this for me, because like that show...they all start out with an intriguing premise, and the first few seasons are very captivating. However, after that it's like the producers and writers reach a point where they begin to look at each other and ask..."WTF are we trying to do here?" and that begins to show on the screen as they start reaching into the magic hat and pulling anything and everything out of it. I believe some refer to this point as "jumping the Shark."

[Pyser]

solid episode. will think on it the rest of the night

[Castlerock]

These "advanced" theories are very unlikely to be have been proposed by serious physicists.

And I am not expecting them to solve the problem of time travel in order to meet the promise of a "scientific explanation." To me, the very promise of a scientifically plausible explanation means time travel is not involved, period.

I am very disappointed, but as I said earlier, still follow, because I have to know how pretty much any story I start ends.

Obviously, you feel differently but I never took the producers comments to mean that the events in Lost could, in fact, happen. My take is that they were attempting to disavow the theories that the Losties were dead or in Purgatory. Nothing less, nothing more. The answers would come from the realm of science and not spirituality.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Apparently in the "pop up" version of "The Lie" which aired last night stated Ms. Hawking's name is Eloise.

Faraday's rat's name was Eloise.

The blonde chick on the island was named Ellie.

Both Widmore and Ms. Hawking on the island in the 1950s: Faraday's mom and dad?

[DaddyTorgo]

See, the X-Files spoiled shows like this for me, because like that show...they all start out with an intriguing premise, and the first few seasons are very captivating. However, after that it's like the producers and writers reach a point where they begin to look at each other and ask..."WTF are we trying to do here?" and that begins to show on the screen as they start reaching into the magic hat and pulling anything and everything out of it. I believe some refer to this point as "jumping the Shark."

wow. SFL Cat and I agree on this.

I honestly think the Lost writers started out with good intentions and there was a somewhat credible explanation. But somewhere along the way the show became this massive phenomenon and the network was like "you got to keep this going. it's a cash cow" so they were like "well we're sick of playing with our little island...let's get really crazy and throw some weird shit out there so that we can have scenes in other locations and do weird shit there" kinda.

[Castlerock]

Apparently in the "pop up" version of "The Lie" which aired last night stated Ms. Hawking's name is Eloise.

Faraday's rat's name was Eloise.

The blonde chick on the island was named Ellie.

Both Widmore and Ms. Hawking on the island in the 1950s: Faraday's mom and dad?
Nice! We need more theories and less bashing.

[Toddzilla]

Last nights episode was the first one in a long time where my wife and I had to pause the show and go OMGWTF! Charles Widmore being a young soldier on the island back in the 50s was great, but when Locke gave Alpert the compass and told him to come visit me as a child - and remembering the episode last year when Alpert did just that, showed a little Locke the collection of items *including the compass* to see if he was special (Locke glossing over it and Alpert storming out) - was mind blowing. Wow wow wow.

[hoopsguy]

Agree on the Widmore thing being a "pause, rewind" moment. I also thought that naming the kid Charlie was a nice touch. I liked the episode quite a bit and thought they really moved the story along, although I can understand the point that Swaggs made about lacking the "single episode" feel.

[CleBrownsfan]

Last nights episode was the first one in a long time where my wife and I had to pause the show and go OMGWTF! Charles Widmore being a young soldier on the island back in the 50s was great, but when Locke gave Alpert the compass and told him to come visit me as a child - and remembering the episode last year when Alpert did just that, showed a little Locke the collection of items *including the compass* to see if he was special (Locke glossing over it and Alpert storming out) - was mind blowing. Wow wow wow.

Anyone recall which episode that Alpert came and visited Locke? I now want to re-watch that one...

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

It's called "Cabin Fever".

[CleBrownsfan]

It's called "Cabin Fever".

thanks!

[spleen1015]

I am reminded in threads like these why I take breaks from this place for a month or 2 at a time. Seems there is always negativity.

I thought it was great and the dots are finally being connected.

[Daimyo]

I liked the episodes so far this year. We're clearly in wrap up mode and moving forward with the story and tying up loose ends. It feels like we're getting more answers and "a ha moments" and less new questions for the first time.

[Pyser]

i cant say i thought there were answers last night, but i was entertained. interesting about farradays mom maybe being on the island. not sure what it means

so if they bury the bomb, is that part of the energy the island has been tapping into?

[Draft Dodger]

stupid shows and their non-hour run times...we had the last couple of minutes cut off, during the discussion between Richard and Locke. I gather above that Locke told him to come visit him. Anything else?

[Daimyo]

i cant say i thought there were answers last night, but i was entertained. interesting about farradays mom maybe being on the island. not sure what it means

so if they bury the bomb, is that part of the energy the island has been tapping into?

A few questions answered:
What was Charles Widmore's connection to the island?
Why did Robert visit Locke when he was a child?

Plus we have some new info about Ms Hawking's connection to the main characters.

[sabotai]

stupid shows and their non-hour run times...we had the last couple of minutes cut off, during the discussion between Richard and Locke. I gather above that Locke told him to come visit him. Anything else?

Not really. Right after Locke told Richard to visit him, the light started to come again, Locke asked Richard how to get off the island, Richard did not answer him, the light flashed and they were in a different time. Then the redheaded chick collapsed after blood poured from her nose. That's when the episode ended.

[Toddzilla]

Does anyone think the cute chick with the rifle that escorted Faraday to and from the bomb was his mother?

[DanGarion]

I got tired of being teased after season 2.

Can you fans give everyone else a concise description of what is going on?

Ex. So I guess time travel is part of the story? What was the ghost monster from season 1?
Only Hurley can answer these questions...

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[samifan24]

Did anyone else have continual breakup of both picture and audio last night? I couldn't believe I was watching ABC the signal was so poor at times.

[Alan T]

Did anyone else have continual breakup of both picture and audio last night? I couldn't believe I was watching ABC the signal was so poor at times.


Everything was fine for me. I was sick and under the weather though so watched it on my SD tv in bed instead of HD though.

[spleen1015]

Does anyone think the cute chick with the rifle that escorted Faraday to and from the bomb was his mother?

Lots of folks saying this around the web today. I'm not sure either way. I wouldn't be surprised if that twist was in there.

[Swaggs]

Bump...

We are in full-fledged time travel mode, it appears. I will admit that the light from the hatch was pretty cool, but I'm pretty disappointed that they are going to open that can of worms. It it looks like we are headed for a Jin-Young Rousseau storyline. Also, not really liking the Sun storyline.

Not much going on in this episode from my viewpoint. Looks like we're just rounding up the gang to go back to the island, while Locke is trying to get to them. I guess there were some clues that Miles and Charlotte had been on the island before (based on their nosebleeds and Farraday's theory).

[DeToxRox]

Bump...

We are in full-fledged time travel mode, it appears. I will admit that the light from the hatch was pretty cool, but I'm pretty disappointed that they are going to open that can of worms. It it looks like we are headed for a Jin-Young Rousseau storyline. Also, not really liking the Sun storyline.

Not much going on in this episode from my viewpoint. Looks like we're just rounding up the gang to go back to the island, while Locke is trying to get to them. I guess there were some clues that Miles and Charlotte had been on the island before (based on their nosebleeds and Farraday's theory).

I'm pretty sure Miles is the son of the Dharama Video guy, and Charlotte is probably Widmores other daughter from his time on the island.

[Pyser]

so is jin time traveling with everyone else? or stuck in the 70s or whenever the french people arrived?

also, was that supposed to answer "the sickness" they got?

[Alan T]

so is jin time traveling with everyone else? or stuck in the 70s or whenever the french people arrived?

also, was that supposed to answer "the sickness" they got?


Jin is time traveling with everyone else (as far as his time goes). The group (Locke, Sawyer, etc) came across on the beach the various french supplies from a wreckage right before it cut to the scene of the french group finding Jin in the water.

So their current place in time is the same even if their physical location on the island is not.

[DeToxRox]

Not sure if posted already:

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

[Castlerock]

I'm pretty sure Miles is the son of the Dharama Video guy, and Charlotte is probably Widmores other daughter from his time on the island.
That would make some sense. I think that Daniel might be Widmore and Ms Hawking's (Ellie) son? Daniel said he "loved" Charlotte - he could be her brother.

[chesapeake]

1) This show is like a comic book -- always insist that they show you the corpse before believing that someone is actually dead. Or that they have become omnicient tools of the island ala Christian, Charlie, Claire and Ana Lucia. I also believe that Jin is jumping in time with everyone else.

2) The popular theory that Miles is the baby we saw briefly in the filming flashback w/ Dr. Candle in the premier got a little stronger with Miles's nosebleed.

3) Charlotte used the phrase "getting back to the island" in an earlier epi. I hadn't connected any dots to how she was there in the 1st place.

[Alan T]

3) Charlotte used the phrase "getting back to the island" in an earlier epi. I hadn't connected any dots to how she was there in the 1st place.

I believe the part you are referencing was some kind of exchange between Charlotte and Miles that I do not fully remember. It was something that Charlotte said, and then I think Miles may have said something along the lines of ,"Or maybe return to the island?". Charlotte asked him what he meant by that, and Miles got his funny/strange look on his face while saying,"Hmm.. what -DO- I mean by that?" as he walked off.

That was the only previous reference that I recalled to Charlotte having possibly been on the island and had been trying to get back to it before.

[spleen1015]

There was also a conversation between Charlotte and Daniel where Charlotte said something about trying to find the place where she was born or something to that effect. It eluded to her being born on the island.

[Castlerock]

According to Ben, she was born in Essex, England. But she said to Daniel, "Would it make any sense if I told you I'm still looking for where I was born?"

[DeToxRox]

Fantastc episode tonight. Some pretty brutal stuff. Really can't wait for next weekend.

[Pyser]

yes. yes. a thousand times yes. when this show is on, it is unparalleled. fantastic episode.

[samifan24]

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

[Castlerock]

One question from last night: Why could Christian not help Locke?

Interesting: Ben looked surprised that Desmond was there to see Faraday's mother.

samifan: does the link really have spoilers (information from outside the already aired shows)? or is just theories based on info from already aired shows? I think the term "spoiler" is defined differently by different people.

[samifan24]

One question from last night: Why could Christian not help Locke?

samifan: does the link really have spoilers (information from outside the already aired shows)? or is just theories based on info from already aired shows? I think the term "spoiler" is defined differently by different people.

The link I posted has spoilers in the sense that it presents a complete theory of everything that has happened on the show.

According to the site I posted, Christian wasn't actually there. The site posits that Christian, Jacob and the other "ghosts" are "echoes" which appear to guide the Losties to make decisions and take actions that they would normally take off the island. These people are all dead off the island but continue to exist on the island because they serve as guides to the Losties. Their role is to keep everyone as fate would have them be. I know it sounds confusing but it makes sense if you read the link.

[Poli]

Man, that island is a female dog. It's a killing machine.

[Chubby]

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

I think that theory is good in some areas but fails in others.

It won't let you change fate in the past yet Widmore can go back in time, make bets, and become wealthy???

[spleen1015]

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

They say the time machine was created in the 1960s. We've already seen a jump back to before Locke's birth, which was in the 1950s.

So, that's one thing they got wrong when they say the time machine was created in the 1960s and you can only jump back as far back as when it was created.

Whoever came up with it put a lot of thought into it, but it won't be any where close to being right.

[spleen1015]

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

[panerd]

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

Interesting. Maybe Hurley comes back to the island and becomes godlike to the people he meets travelling through time and that is how the numbers ended up all over the island.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

sl-LOST.com - Daily LOST News » Blog Archive » Was The Radio Transmission Recorded By Hurley? (http://www.sl-lost.com/2009/02/12/radio-transmission-hurley/)

The link for anyone interested. I'm not convinced it's him, but it could well be.

[CleBrownsfan]

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

Good catch, I hadn't heard that. But remember when Hurley first heard the numbers from the guy in the mental institution? After he won the lottery he went and talked to the guys wife and she said he heard them on a transmission when he was out to sea....Was that Hurley then too? Or was it someone else?

[spleen1015]

Good catch, I hadn't heard that. But remember when Hurley first heard the numbers from the guy in the mental institution? After he won the lottery he went and talked to the guys wife and she said he heard them on a transmission when he was out to sea....Was that Hurley then too? Or was it someone else?

I think that guy heard the same transmission the Frenchies did.

We know that Daniel gets mixed up with Dharma. I think John turning the wheel stopped the jumps and the folks on the island are stuck in a time the Dharma. The O6 are going to to get back to the island, maybe in the same time period.

I think Hurley has to do the transmission because it has something to do with him getting to the island in the first place and he needs to be there for some reason.

[Swaggs]

I like the time loop theory stuff and I think the button pushing is the most interesting aspect to it. I won't say too much more, for fear of spoilers, but that part makes a whole lot of sense.

[samifan24]

I like the time loop theory stuff and I think the button pushing is the most interesting aspect to it. I won't say too much more, for fear of spoilers, but that part makes a whole lot of sense.

Why not just use the spoiler tag?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I loved this episode. I love how it kept calling back details of the pilot (and whole first season), as well as themes of the earlier seasons in Jack's battle between reason and faith.

Lapidus was awesome. Ben was very funny as usual. Very excited to see how this all plays out.

[DeToxRox]

Amazing episode.

I am wondering .. do you think Ben was all beat up because he went back to kill Penny?

I am wondering if he needs Desmond back to the Island, and he knows he'd never go back unless something happened to Penny, and what better way then to do her in?

[Pyser]

interesting. i hated the episode

[Alan T]

I thought the episode was ok.. but we were left with so many holes in the story that obviously this is what we get to find out the next several episodes probably (in addition to what is happening on the island currently).

I think they are trying to go back to what they did great in the beginning and hope it works just as well.. ie: this week will be focused on Locke and have many flash backs to what all happened leading up to him killing himself and why. Then the next week it might be say Hurley with flash backs the entire episode discussing how he ended up getting out of jail... same with Sayeed, and Kate's story will tell us about what happened with Aaron, Ben's story will tell us why he got beat up, etc.

[DataKing]

One thing that really bothered me about this week's episode was the cavalier attitude the O6 displayed concerning the others on the plane (all except Hurley, at least). It finally occurs to Jack to ask about the others on the plane once they're about to take off? Kate, Sun, others don't ask at all? I know they're desperate to get back and all, but it seemed very out of character for most of them.

[hoopsguy]

There were a ton of questions that I had from that episode that I think will be answered shortly:
1.) Why was Ben beat up?
2.) What happened to the kid?
3.) Who told Hurley to be on the plane? What was his motivation for going back?
4.) What was up with Sayid being arrested?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

One thing that really bothered me about this week's episode was the cavalier attitude the O6 displayed concerning the others on the plane (all except Hurley, at least). It finally occurs to Jack to ask about the others on the plane once they're about to take off? Kate, Sun, others don't ask at all? I know they're desperate to get back and all, but it seemed very out of character for most of them.

I agree its a little off-putting, but I'm not sure we even have the whole story yet. The way I look at it is that, at least as far as Jack and Kate go, they're in a pretty desperate spot right now and are relying fully on faith in an old woman they just met (and a man they know can't be trusted) that this will work. I'm sure there are plenty of good questions that they are choosing not to ask themselves because they have bought into the concept that this has to happen.

[Alan T]

There were a ton of questions that I had from that episode that I think will be answered shortly:
1.) Why was Ben beat up?
2.) What happened to the kid?
3.) Who told Hurley to be on the plane? What was his motivation for going back?
4.) What was up with Sayid being arrested?


5) How did Hurley even get out of jail (he was arrested, does it have anything to do with Sayid being arrested now?)
6) Why was Jin driving in the dharma van in Dharma uniform (almost like Ben's father from 30 years prior).
7) What happened to the cop (escorting Sayid) and the other first class passenger from the plane? If you notice all of the O6 and the pilots were up front of the plane. Everyone else (including the stewardess who had gone to the back) was in the back half of the plane. So could these two new people be two new stranded passengers on the island now?

[Alan T]

One thing that really bothered me about this week's episode was the cavalier attitude the O6 displayed concerning the others on the plane (all except Hurley, at least). It finally occurs to Jack to ask about the others on the plane once they're about to take off? Kate, Sun, others don't ask at all? I know they're desperate to get back and all, but it seemed very out of character for most of them.


I think when Jack got on the plane he saw all of the other people on it and only then it hit him that this could impact other people too. Ben is the only one who really comes across to me as not caring as he basically told Jack "Who cares?".

As for Sun, Sayid, Kate's thoughts... this episode really didn't go into much detail on any of them (or Hurley for that matter). So it is hard to figure out what they were or were not thinking.

[Draft Dodger]

8) How did Ben's mom teach him to read if she died right after childbirth?

[spleen1015]

We don't know what happened to the people on the plane.

We know there was a good bit of turbulence followed by one of the time flashes. Then, we find Jack, Hurley and Kate on the island.

I think it is possible that everyone on the plane experienced the turbulence and only the folks who were supposed to go back to the island actually did. Everyone else just kept on flying. No plane crash.

I'm not sure what to think about what's going on here. We know that 3 years passed for the O6. Did 3 years pass for the folks left behind? With the time experiments done by Daniel, we know that time is different on the island.

I wonder if, when Locke turned the FDW, the other folks stopped their time flashes in a time where Dharma was on the island. Some how they get mixed up with Dharma. After ~3 years, the O6 show back up on the island.

Next weeks episode looks cool. More Widmore is always a good thing, IMO.

[CleBrownsfan]

There were a ton of questions that I had from that episode that I think will be answered shortly:
1.) Why was Ben beat up?

My Theory: I think Ben killed Penny keeping the "promise" he made to Whitmore and Des walked in on the scene.

[Rizon]

A few weeks ago I was beginning to wonder if the Losties are going to be the ones who knock their own original plane out of the sky. Now I'd be 100% positive of that.

[DeToxRox]

I am standing by Ben did something to Penny so Desmond comes after him to the island.

[samifan24]

A few weeks ago I was beginning to wonder if the Losties are going to be the ones who knock their own original plane out of the sky. Now I'd be 100% positive of that.

Wait, how would that work?

[Rizon]

Wait, how would that work?

In one of their time traveling flashes. For some reason they'll need to crash themselves. So they'll warp to the day their plane crashes, and use one of the Dharma-Widmore-contraption-wheel-laser-Jacob-hatch things and whack themselves out of the sky.

[spleen1015]

In one of their time traveling flashes. For some reason they'll need to crash themselves. So they'll warp to the day their plane crashes, and use one of the Dharma-Widmore-contraption-wheel-laser-Jacob-hatch things and whack themselves out of the sky.

About that... spoilers tags because it hasn't been said on the show, but assumed.

I believe the producers have already confirmed in a podcast that Desomnd's failure to push the button on time was the reason for the plane crash.

[Rizon]

About that... spoilers tags because it hasn't been said on the show, but assumed.

I believe the producers have already confirmed in a podcast that Desomnd's failure to push the button on time was the reason for the plane crash.

What the hell is a podcast? Is that one of those Apple things?

[spleen1015]

What the hell is a podcast? Is that one of those Apple things?

You live in the internet age and don't know what a podcast is?

hxxp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/podcast

While the show is airing, the producers have a weekly podcast talking about the latest episode and what's to come.

[sabotai]

About that... spoilers tags because it hasn't been said on the show, but assumed.

I believe the producers have already confirmed in a podcast that Desomnd's failure to push the button on time was the reason for the plane crash.

I thought that was pretty much shown on the show (as in, not assumed, but I thought they actually showed it)....at least, that's what I've thought this whole time and I don't listen to the podcasts.

[Rizon]

You live in the internet age and don't know what a podcast is?

hxxp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/podcast

While the show is airing, the producers have a weekly podcast talking about the latest episode and what's to come.

Nope, I avoid trendy. Sounds trendy. Sounds like I need to listen to this while driving my PT Cruiser on my way to buy a Tickle Me Elmo.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

WrongWay?

[Rizon]

You live in the internet age and don't know what a podcast is?

hxxp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/podcast

While the show is airing, the producers have a weekly podcast talking about the latest episode and what's to come.

Ohhhhhhhh, a BROADcast. Yeah, I know what a broadcast is. UGH, I hate trendy terms. PODcast ... ugh, sounds like some type of alien invasion, or even worse, an Apple invasion. I owned one of those clunkers in 88 I think.

Anyways, I give permission for this thread to go back on topic.

[rkmsuf]

I'm hoping the story gets more confusing. To this point it's so simple.

[Swaggs]

I liked the episode, but do not really like all of the hokey science fiction that is now being used to make sense of the story (not that I don't like sci-fi, but I think is being used here because the writers could not tie things together and/or were lazy).

Anyway, I did like the episode. Thought it was slow and not great at the beginning because it focused on Kate and Jack (who are the two worst actors on the show, IMO), but once things got to the airport it got very good. Kate's bedroom scene with Jack, where she told him to never mention Aaron again, was painful to watch for me.

I'm really curious to see what Hurley has in the guitar case. I would guess that Sayid admitted that he, not Hurley, did the killings and that is how he ended up in handcuffs w/ Hurley freed. I fell about 95% sure that Ben went after Penny, but it is hard to say whether or not he was successful (he certainly appeared to have struggled). Also interested to see whether or not the "flash" sent Ben to the island or if it just worked for the five that were on the plane.

[MrDNA]

I liked the episode, but do not really like all of the hokey science fiction that is now being used to make sense of the story (not that I don't like sci-fi, but I think is being used here because the writers could not tie things together and/or were lazy).

What stuff do you think is cheesey? I thought Ms. Hawkings explanation was rather corny, but the actual "physics" of it seemed OK.

Thought it was slow and not great at the beginning because it focused on Kate and Jack (who are the two worst actors on the show, IMO), but once things got to the airport it got very good. Kate's bedroom scene with Jack, where she told him to never mention Aaron again, was painful to watch for me.

Painful in "She acted so badly it was painful to watch" or painful as in "I emphathized with Kate's pain in losing Aaron"?

I'm really curious to see what Hurley has in the guitar case.

My money is on Charlie's guitar. Just like Jack had to put his dad's shoes on Locke, Hurley had to bring something of his friend Charlie's to replicate the previous conditions.

[Toddzilla]

+1 on Charlie's guitar being n the case - and I'm pretty sure it was Charlie who told Hurley to be on that flight.

And based on what the producers have said about the 2 new characters on the show - the guy sitting next to Hurley and the girl who "arrested" Sayid - don't be so sure Sayid is in custody.

[BishopMVP]

I'm really curious to see what Hurley has in the guitar case. I would guess that Sayid admitted that he, not Hurley, did the killings and that is how he ended up in handcuffs w/ Hurley freed.I thought Ben's lawyer (the same one that came to give Aaron a paternity test) was talking about bailing him out last episode. And if Sayid admitted to those murders, why would they be extraditing him out of LA county to a foreign country?

Any thoughts on who Caesar (the Arab guy) and Ilana (the marshal escorting Sayid) are and how they will connect to the plot? One or both Widmore's agents?

spoiler from next weeks previewswe know the female marshal at least makes it onto the island

[samifan24]

Are we sure those two people are new characters? Did the writers say so on the podcast?

[Swaggs]

What stuff do you think is cheesey? I thought Ms. Hawkings explanation was rather corny, but the actual "physics" of it seemed OK.

That the island is constantly moving through space and time. That she made them try to replicate the circumstances of the plane ride, down to having Jack's dad's shoes on Locke -- while Ben, Michael, and Mr. Friendly seem to have been able to go to and from the island freely. And, that they appear to have flashed to the island from an airplane (maybe the plane will have been pulled by a magnet or something a little more realistic and I'll be wrong on that one). Again, it isn't that I am opposed to watching something with sci-fi or fantasy aspects, but I feel like the producers have been saying that everything will be based in reality and now they are using things like time travel (and apparently teleportation) pretty liberally. I'm still going to watch, but am a little disappointed, as I think using the unbelievable to complete stories is largely due to lazy writing.


Painful in "She acted so badly it was painful to watch" or painful as in "I emphathized with Kate's pain in losing Aaron"?

She, as a dramatic actress, is painful for me to watch and not very believable. Lost, in general, has fantastic acting for the most part (and that separates it, by a large margin from other dramas that are on today)-- I think the actors that play Sawyer, Desmond, Ben, Juliet, Sun, Jin, and Locke are all top-notch. But, I think Kate, Claire, and Jack are all average (and sometimes below average), at best, and stand out in contrast with the rest of the cast.

My money is on Charlie's guitar. Just like Jack had to put his dad's shoes on Locke, Hurley had to bring something of his friend Charlie's to replicate the previous conditions.

That sounds like a good theory. It could be that each of the 5 on the plane had something that belonged to someone else. Sun had Jin's ring (presumably). Jack had his dad and possibly something of Locke's (the note). Sayid's circumstances may have had something to do with Kate's situation on the plane. Interesting idea.

[samifan24]

Lost, in general, has fantastic acting for the most part (and that separates it, by a large margin from other dramas that are on today)-- I think the actors that play Sawyer, Desmond, Ben, Juliet, Sun, Jin, and Locke are all top-notch. But, I think Kate, Claire, and Jack are all average (and sometimes below average), at best, and stand out in contrast with the rest of the cast.

I agree with everyone you said except for Juliet. Juliet, Kate and Jack are my three least favorite actors on the show. It seems like those three are always playing the same emotion the same way in every scene, Juliet and Jack especially.

[Swaggs]

I thought Ben's lawyer (the same one that came to give Aaron a paternity test) was talking about bailing him out last episode. And if Sayid admitted to those murders, why would they be extraditing him out of LA county to a foreign country?

Any thoughts on who Caesar (the Arab guy) and Ilana (the marshal escorting Sayid) are and how they will connect to the plot? One or both Widmore's agents?



No clue on Sayid. Just guessing based on the fact that he appeared to be handcuffed (and in a similar situation as Kate on the original flight). Just a guess, but I suppose it is possible that he may have flipped over to Widmore and is helping him now with the "agent" as an additional hired hand.

[cthomer5000]

there is literally no chance i'd still be watching this show if i hadn't already invested so much time.

[BreizhManu]

same here

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Save yourself some time and read the wikipedia article after its done.

[Samdari]

there is literally no chance i'd still be watching this show if i hadn't already invested so much time.

Same here.

I used to look forwared to it all week. Now I dread it.

[chesapeake]

I thought the episode was ok.. but we were left with so many holes in the story that obviously this is what we get to find out the next several episodes probably (in addition to what is happening on the island currently).

I think they are trying to go back to what they did great in the beginning and hope it works just as well.. ie: this week will be focused on Locke and have many flash backs to what all happened leading up to him killing himself and why. Then the next week it might be say Hurley with flash backs the entire episode discussing how he ended up getting out of jail... same with Sayeed, and Kate's story will tell us about what happened with Aaron, Ben's story will tell us why he got beat up, etc.

Alan T, thanks for saving me the time of writing this.

Regarding Ben's beating -- I think we are supposed to believe that he tried to kill or killed Penny. You can't sail from England to LA overnight in the mundane world, so I think Ben calling from a marina is a red herring.

Boo to samifan for dissing my Juliet. I think she does a great job.

[spleen1015]

It can't be that bad. If it was you guys would quit watching it. If it is so bad, why continue to invest more time in it?

[Samdari]

It can't be that bad. If it was you guys would quit watching it. If it is so bad, why continue to invest more time in it?

We are throwing good time after bad.

[Chubby]

Even before the final scene of tonight's episode here is how I think it plays out:

John = Jacob
As leader's of the other's both Ben and Widmore know this. I think Ben is trying to take John's place as spirtual permanant leader of the other's by his actions to try and "change" how things work out (I think originally, John brings everyone back, dies on the island, "lives forever" as a "ghost" and calls himself Jacob do hide his true identity. By being the one to bring everyone back, Ben is trying to take his place as John took Christian's place on the 2nd plane)

[Noop]

Ben is one hell of a complex character.

I think they are thirty years in the future on the other island while Jack and Co. are in the 70s.

[Chubby]

Ben is one hell of a complex character.

I think they are thirty years in the future on the other island while Jack and Co. are in the 70s.

Not really IMO, we are just given incomplete information.

[Noop]

I meant Locke and Co are in 2009 or whatever time it is and Jack and Co are in the 70s.

[spleen1015]

I meant Locke and Co are in 2009 or whatever time it is and Jack and Co are in the 70s.

This is what I think as well.

[samifan24]

I am now completely confused about which characters are in which times on which islands and where scenes fall chronologically in relation to each other. My head is spinning.

[spleen1015]

I am now completely confused about which characters are in which times on which islands and where scenes fall chronologically in relation to each other. My head is spinning.

We can presume that the Left Behinders stopped flashing through time in a time with Dharma because of Jin and the van. This happened when Locke turned the FDW maybe?

We can presume that Jack and Co. flashed to that same time period when they saw the flash while on the plane.

Lock, Ilana?, Ceasar, and Co. seem to be in present time since they saw no flashes and the plane crashed.

[samifan24]

Ok, so let me get this straight, The Oceanic 6 and Locke all returned to the island via another plane crash, right? And Locke came back to life once his body returned to the island, right?

[Chubby]

Ok, so let me get this straight, The Oceanic 6 and Locke all returned to the island via another plane crash, right? And Locke came back to life once his body returned to the island, right?


I THINK since Locke was alive in the 70s, he is now alive "again" (since Locke and O6 are in the 70s, I don't think they are in different times)

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

How are we sure Locke is in the 70s? The Hydra station sure looked abandoned, not like a fully functioning Dharma occupied station.

[spleen1015]

How are we sure Locke is in the 70s? The Hydra station sure looked abandoned, not like a fully functioning Dharma occupied station.

I'm sure he's not in the 70s. I'm sure he is in present time. We saw the plane crash. I don't think the whole plane went back in time, just those of the O6 that were supposed to.

[Toddzilla]

Similarly, when Jack was transporting his father back to the US and the plane crashed, Jacks' father "came back to life", so I think it is a function of the island (Christian Shepherd and John Locke coming back to life on the island) rather than a function of time.

[spleen1015]

Similarly, when Jack was transporting his father back to the US and the plane crashed, Jacks' father "came back to life", so I think it is a function of the island (Christian Shepherd and John Locke coming back to life on the island) rather than a function of time.

I wouldn't say Christian is back to life. Working for the island spiritually, yes, but not alive.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

An interesting post from DocArzt showing that one of the files found by Caesar in the Hydra is a xerox of a page of Faraday's journal.

When and Where Are the 316′rs? - DocArzt’s LOST Blog (http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-easter-eggs/when-and-where-are-the-316rs/)

EDIT: No spoilers in the post, but that site does contains spoilers so watch where you go.

[spleen1015]

An interesting post from DocArzt showing that one of the files found by Caesar in the Hydra is a xerox of a page of Faraday's journal.

When and Where Are the 316′rs? - DocArzt’s LOST Blog (http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-easter-eggs/when-and-where-are-the-316rs/)

Without clicking the link, I think it is the paper with the circles and lines?

We already know that Faraday gets mixed up with Dharma. It makes sense that some how some of his time traveling materials made it into their documentation.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Yes, circles and lines.

http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/507_05-1-150x150.jpg http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lostnotebook1-1.jpg

[Honolulu_Blue]

I still enjoy the show. It's probably the best hour long show on the Networks right now and has been for the last two years.

For all the folks who are throwing "good time after bad" what else out there are you watching that's any better than "Lost"?

Big Love?

Battlestar Galactica?

[Samdari]

Ben is one hell of a complex character.

He lies about everything, and every action is solely towards the end of HIM controlling the island.

Whatever benefit that may provide. And that's why I still watch - to learn why Widmore and Ben want so badly to control the island.

As for what am I watching that's better than Lost? Sports. I watch very little other kinds of programming, only watching the networks when there is something in particular I want to watch. So, its pretty much Scrubs, 30 Rock and Lost. And only 30 Rock is enjoyable this season. My wife has become enamored with Life on Mars, but as I have mentioned in this thread, I hate time travel stories, so that's hit or miss for me.

On the other hand, I am enjoying the hell out of college basketball right now. I found myself wishing I was watching Duke/Maryland last night.

[spleen1015]

I think Ben is a good guy who resorts to lots of bad things to make sure the good side wins. We'll see.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

So then why did he kill Locke?

[Noop]

He lies about everything, and every action is solely towards the end of HIM controlling the island.

Whatever benefit that may entail.

That's why he is so compelling to me because he kills Locke then apologizes.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I wonder if he's fated for it, like Judas. "Fate is a fickle bitch."

[Samdari]

That's why he is so compelling to me because he kills Locke then apologizes.

I agree he's interesting. He's very well acted.

I just don't think he's all that complex. If his lips are moving, he's lying. And every action is for HIS benefit, not the island's, not his group's, HIS.

[Samdari]

That's why he is so compelling to me because he kills Locke then apologizes.

I agree he's interesting. He's very well acted.

I just don't think he's all that complex. If his lips are moving, he's lying.

[Castlerock]

Similarly, when Jack was transporting his father back to the US and the plane crashed, Jacks' father "came back to life", so I think it is a function of the island (Christian Shepherd and John Locke coming back to life on the island) rather than a function of time.

I wouldn't say Christian is back to life. Working for the island spiritually, yes, but not alive.

The company name on the side of the van used to transport Locke's body was 'Canton-Rainier', an anagram of 'reincarnation'.

[spleen1015]

The company name on the side of the van used to transport Locke's body was 'Canton-Rainier', an anagram of 'reincarnation'.

I won't argue that Locke has been reincarnated. I have seen nothing to convince me that Christian is alive. Maybe he is, but that is not clear at this point.

[lordscarlet]

So then why did he kill Locke?

My wife has suggested that perhaps Locke had to be murdered because Christian Shepherd was.

[DataKing]

My wife has suggested that perhaps Locke had to be murdered because Christian Shepherd was.

I thought Christian drank himself to death.

[lordscarlet]

I thought Christian drank himself to death.

yeah, my bad. :)

[Chubby]

I won't argue that Locke has been reincarnated. I have seen nothing to convince me that Christian is alive. Maybe he is, but that is not clear at this point.

Locke has already shown intractions with other people (the mango) where Christian said he couldn't help Locke up in the well (among other times)

[cthomer5000]

It can't be that bad. If it was you guys would quit watching it. If it is so bad, why continue to invest more time in it?

as Samdari said, we're throwing good money after bad.

I'm watching this for the same reason I sat through all of 'Mission To Mars' in the theater, or the reason I've listened to the last few Pearl Jam albums. Some small part of me wants to hope against hope that there IS still something redeeming coming, though my better self knows there is not.

[cthomer5000]

If it is so bad, why continue to invest more time in it?

For the same reason I sat through all of 'Mission To Mars' in the theatre, or spent time listening to the last two Pearl Jam albums. Despite all evidence to the contrary, some small part of me hopes against all hope that there is still something coming to redeem what seems like wasted time.

[cthomer5000]

I got an error when first submitting my post, and had to complete re-type it. But now i see that the other post IS there. I'll leave it as a testament to returning to the island, or coming back from the dead.

[cthomer5000]

BTW, the one thing i thought might actually be worth discussing in the past few weeks I don't see any real discussion of here.

It appeared that everyone on the plane was acting out another role in order to get back to the island.

Locke, being the dead guy, was playing Jack's father's role.
Sayid, cuffed and under guard, was playing Kate
Hurley, with guitar, appeared to be playing Charlie

any thoughts on the other 'characters' people were playing? Kate seemed mighty odd but i haven't given it any more serious thought. Or maybe they weren't all playing a different role. dunno. food for thought.

[Bearcat729]

BTW, the one thing i thought might actually be worth discussing in the past few weeks I don't see any real discussion of here.

It appeared that everyone on the plane was acting out another role in order to get back to the island.

Locke, being the dead guy, was playing Jack's father's role.
Sayid, cuffed and under guard, was playing Kate
Hurley, with guitar, appeared to be playing Charlie

any thoughts on the other 'characters' people were playing? Kate seemed mighty odd but i haven't given it any more serious thought. Or maybe they weren't all playing a different role. dunno. food for thought.

I keep thinking that Kate is going to be pregnant which would mean she's filling the role of Claire. I'm not sure what role Sun would have filled.

[Swaggs]

I enjoyed the last episode (watched it last night).

I like that we really don't know which faction, Ben's or Widmore's, is good or bad (or where they are, in-between).

Any guesses on who was in the hood w/ Sawyer in the previews for next week? Appeared to be blonde, but the emotion from Sawyer would indicate that it was Kate.

[Honolulu_Blue]

as Samdari said, we're throwing good money after bad.

I'm watching this for the same reason I sat through all of 'Mission To Mars' in the theater, or the reason I've listened to the last few Pearl Jam albums. Some small part of me wants to hope against hope that there IS still something redeeming coming, though my better self knows there is not.

I guess folks like different things, but other than the first season, I think the last two seasons, including the last quarter or so of season 3, have been the strongest of the entire series.

Season 2 was "ok". I actually quit watching the show during the middle of season 3 and still haven't seen all those episodes (I missed the whole thing with that Brazillian Tom Cruise guy and the blonde chick and the whole drugged out Jack thing). Since that dark time, the series has been on an impressive upswing.

I find it hard to imagine anyone who enjoyed the first season, not enjoying the last couple (plus) seasons. Then again, I have a hard time imagining why anyone watches reality TV or likes the NBA, so what do I know...

[Alan T]

I guess it helped me that I didn't start watching this series until 6 months ago. I watched all of the series online and then caught up to the show this season on tv.

I enjoy the series immensely and it is one of the few shows during the week that I make sure to put aside my work in order to watch.

[BishopMVP]

I guess folks like different things, but other than the first season, I think the last two seasons, including the last quarter or so of season 3, have been the strongest of the entire series.

Season 2 was "ok". I actually quit watching the show during the middle of season 3 and still haven't seen all those episodes (I missed the whole thing with that Brazillian Tom Cruise guy and the blonde chick and the whole drugged out Jack thing). Since that dark time, the series has been on an impressive upswing.

I find it hard to imagine anyone who enjoyed the first season, not enjoying the last couple (plus) seasons. Then again, I have a hard time imagining why anyone watches reality TV or likes the NBA, so what do I know...+1

I also can't understand how someone could have liked this series early on and now has turned on it. I turned on it pretty hard S2 when they appeared to be going nowhere, but since ABC committed to a specific amount of episodes they've been pretty top notch.

[BishopMVP]

Not a bad episode... is "the war that's coming" going to be the one from the 70's between Dharma and The Others? Could be interesting with Sawyer one of the Dharma leaders and Locke trying to take his role as leader of The Others... but that would require Locke already being in the 1970's with all the other new plane survivors, or he'd have to get there. Gonna be interesting to see if he goes back in time, or Sawyer/Jin/et al move forward to the present day somehow.

The bad news? No, ABC/Lost writers - the Sawyer/Kate/Jack/Juliet love square? quadrangle? is most definitely not why I watch the show.

Also, loved Miles' line - "Sure, then once we get to the beach, we can go back to the Orchid. Then when that gets boring we can go back to the beach. It's the only 2 plans you people ever have."

[Alan T]

Also, loved Miles' line - "Sure, then once we get to the beach, we can go back to the Orchid. Then when that gets boring we can go back to the beach. It's the only 2 plans you people ever have."

I loved that line as well.


I think last night's episode helped answer a ton of questions for us while opening up a bunch of others. I enjoyed the show either way.

[Swaggs]

Pretty good overall. I'm glad/impressed that they figured out a relatively easy way to have Jin speak English. I thought that was pretty cool and will be helpful for the rest of the series.

The "3 Years Ago" and "3 Years Later" captions were almost comical after awhile. Kind of curious that they chose to use them, since they never have before. It was almost like they had finally confused themselves. :)

[DataKing]

The "3 Years Ago" and "3 Years Later" captions were almost comical after awhile. Kind of curious that they chose to use them, since they never have before. It was almost like they had finally confused themselves. :)

You'd think that Sawyer's stubble or lack thereof would be enough of a clue for people, but who knows.

Or maybe the writers just wanted to reinforce the fact that Sawyer/Jin/etc have been waiting for 3 years, and the O6 were back in the real world for 3 years as well. I'd be willing to bet that both groups have been apart for the exact same number of days, hours, minutes, and seconds.

[Alan T]

You'd think that Sawyer's stubble or lack thereof would be enough of a clue for people, but who knows.

Or maybe the writers just wanted to reinforce the fact that Sawyer/Jin/etc have been waiting for 3 years, and the O6 were back in the real world for 3 years as well. I'd be willing to bet that both groups have been apart for the exact same number of days, hours, minutes, and seconds.

I am guessing if they did not include the 3 years later or 3 years earlier thing that you would have plenty of people here complaining that the show was confusing or such.

In hindsight, it did seem a bit hokey, but was probably the safe thing to do.

[jonesz]

You'd think that Sawyer's stubble or lack thereof would be enough of a clue for people, but who knows.

Or maybe the writers just wanted to reinforce the fact that Sawyer/Jin/etc have been waiting for 3 years, and the O6 were back in the real world for 3 years as well. I'd be willing to bet that both groups have been apart for the exact same number of days, hours, minutes, and seconds.

Exactly..which in my mind is why they have been using the record analogy. Both places are on different songs on the record, but both are still traveling at the same speed (i.e. 33 RPM or 45 RPM depending on if the world is "an album" or "a single"). When they time jump, they just jump songs.

[DataKing]

And on a completely separate note, this week's episode reminded me of one of the great unanswered questions..."why did the giant statue's foot only have 4 toes?" :D

[MrDNA]

I take the captions as a nod to "Yes, people, we are starting to answer some questions rather than just create them." Plus, they did get pretty funny :)

[Samdari]

The "3 Years Ago" and "3 Years Later" captions were almost comical after awhile. Kind of curious that they chose to use them, since they never have before. It was almost like they had finally confused themselves. :)

I would bet that the producers handed the show to the network without those, and then convinced them to add the tags because they found it confusing.

[Castlerock]

And on a completely separate note, this week's episode reminded me of one of the great unanswered questions..."why did the giant statue's foot only have 4 toes?" :D

I was doing a little looking to see if my theory about the statue could be true (it ain't). But I came across another theory which I think is spot on. Google "Tawaret" - an Egyptian deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Most statues of her have 4 toes. She often wears a short cylindrical headdress and also often rests her hands on a symbol a lot like the one we saw last week.

[spleen1015]

I was doing a little looking to see if my theory about the statue could be true (it ain't). But I came across another theory which I think is spot on. Google "Tawaret" - an Egyptian deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Most statues of her have 4 toes. She often wears a short cylindrical headdress and also often rests her hands on a symbol a lot like the one we saw last week.

Good call!

[Chubby]

except the statue will have Juliette's face...

[Castlerock]

except the statue will have Juliette's face...
Why do you think that? That was actually my theory that I had discounted.

[sabotai]

Egyptian diety of pregnancy and childbirth + Juliette delivers babies on the island = One freaky looking statue

(Actually, it would still be freaky looking if it was just Juliette....)

[Swaggs]

I would bet that the producers handed the show to the network without those, and then convinced them to add the tags because they found it confusing.

That makes sense, but at the same time, part of the shows "hook" has been misguiding the viewers on when/where we are. Like, the whole concept of the first flash forward with Jack and the one episode w/ Sun's pregnancy/Jin trying to find a bear. Just an odd thing to add and, with their frequency, I found it humorous. I liked the episode pretty well, but that was just kind of goofy. :)

[kingfc22]

Finally caught up after being 4 episodes behind. I've loved this season so far and can't wait to see how Sawyer is able to get Jack/Kate/Hurley into the 70's Dharma group.

[Chubby]

Egyptian diety of pregnancy and childbirth + Juliette delivers babies on the island = One freaky looking statue

(Actually, it would still be freaky looking if it was just Juliette....)

what he said

[kingfc22]

I thought this weeks episode was very good. Loved Hurley's reaction to finding out it was 1977.

[DataKing]

Sooo....

I have to assume that young Ben isn't really dead...otherwise Sayid has effectively created a paradox, right? Thoughts?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I have no idea how they're going to be dealing with potential paradoxes, but I'm pretty sure that young Ben is still around.

[spleen1015]

Sooo....

I have to assume that young Ben isn't really dead...otherwise Sayid has effectively created a paradox, right? Thoughts?

Yeah, he's not going to die. All Sayid did was help Ben become the man we know in the future. I'm sure this is why Ben eventually uses Sayid to kill of of those people, payback in a sense.

I also think Ben is responsible for Nadia's death to get back at Sayid for shooting him when he was a little boy.

[DataKing]

Or...and this may be stretching things a bit...perhaps Sayid knew he was only wounding young Ben, creating what he would become? I'm not sure...it just seemed very unprofessional for Sayid not to put one in the kids head if he actually intends to kill him. And we know Sayid is a professional.

[Alan T]

Sooo....

I have to assume that young Ben isn't really dead...otherwise Sayid has effectively created a paradox, right? Thoughts?

I thought I remembered in a previous season Ben saying something along the lines of the island not letting him die. Perhaps it was this event that he referred to.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

My thoughts are that this is the something that causes Ben to become a little shit, and that Sayid meant to kill him but the whole island-course correction thing wouldn't allow it.

The hand of fate and all that.

[Swaggs]

Locke got shot, point blank, before and survived just fine. I'm not ready to make any assumptions from that shooting just yet.

Overall, really good episode. Sayid is a pretty compelling character and seeing Sawyer struggle over what to do was pretty good TV.

[Chubby]

I have no idea how they're going to be dealing with potential paradoxes, but I'm pretty sure that young Ben is still around.

there are no paradoxes because this has all already happened...

[OldGiants]

I thought I remembered in a previous season Ben saying something along the lines of the island not letting him die. Perhaps it was this event that he referred to.

Yes, and there's Richard Alpert who looks the same at all times. And Locke and Rose getting cured.

Although there is also Ben needing Jack to operate on his spine. Locke commented on Ben's inability to recuperate after that operation. It seems the island is fickle.

[thesloppy]

I think it should be noted that, once again, Rose and Bernard have been off in the jungle unaccounted for months....strike that, if they're stuck in the same 'slice of time' as Sawyer and Jin, they've been off wandering in the jungle for over three years. They BEST be seen attacking with/as the 'hostiles', because that would make me happy.

[BishopMVP]

Does anyone remember seeing that scene where young Ben asked Richard Alpert to take him with the Others. It was the first one in last weeks "Previously seen on Lost", but I can't remember what episode it was from. Is it just me blanking?

[Antmeister]

Does anyone remember seeing that scene where young Ben asked Richard Alpert to take him with the Others. It was the first one in last weeks "Previously seen on Lost", but I can't remember what episode it was from. Is it just me blanking?

No...you are not blanking. They threw that in there and it was not in a previous episode. Either one of two things happened. They conveniently placed that there for story development later on or that was a deleted scene from a prior episode.

[hoopsguy]

It did happen earlier, back in the episode where Jacob was introduced. That episode was a Ben flashback that had a lot of the backstory on Dharma that is being explored this season.

hxxp://lost.about.com/od/fullrecapsseasonthree/a/3x20recap_4.htm

[John Galt]

No...you are not blanking. They threw that in there and it was not in a previous episode. Either one of two things happened. They conveniently placed that there for story development later on or that was a deleted scene from a prior episode.

It was from a while ago, but it was definitely in a previous episode. It was the essential meeting for Ben to betray the Dharma Initiative. He hated his father and asked Richard if he could join the Others. That is what led Ben to help the Others gas the Dharma Initiative and the Others took over their camps.

[Antmeister]

It was from a while ago, but it was definitely in a previous episode. It was the essential meeting for Ben to betray the Dharma Initiative. He hated his father and asked Richard if he could join the Others. That is what led Ben to help the Others gas the Dharma Initiative and the Others took over their camps.

Argh....I knew it wasn't from this season, but from what hoopsguy posted, it looks like it was in Season 3, Episode 20. Okay, I am assuming this is the episode in which Ben killed his father.

[spleen1015]

That's the same scene where he saw his mother and he goes looking for her in the jungle.

[CleBrownsfan]

Good episode last night... I loved the conversation between Miles and Hurley - gotta love any Back to the Future reference ;)

Add: Anyone know where Richard took Ben?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

My guess is it's The Temple. Looked like the building where smokey tore the French guy's arm off too.

[Alan T]

Good episode last night... I loved the conversation between Miles and Hurley - gotta love any Back to the Future reference ;)

Add: Anyone know where Richard took Ben?

Yes, the Miles - Hurley dialogue was outstanding. I loved that :)

[spleen1015]

I like how they had Hurley ask some of the questions from the fans. The big one was how come Ben doesn't remember Sayid being the one who shot him when he was a kid?

[Alan T]

I like how they had Hurley ask some of the questions from the fans. The big one was how come Ben doesn't remember Sayid being the one who shot him when he was a kid?


That was exactly my thought. That conversation was as if it had come off of an internet message board.

[Draft Dodger]

that was one of the best Lost episodes in a long time

[DeToxRox]

Miles has quickly become a favorite of mine. He is like mini Sawyer except he is wrong when he talks most of the time.

when Locke told Ben welcome to the Land of the Living are we supposed to infer everyone in the past is dead?

Also the only somewhat hokey thing was explaining why Ben wouldn't remember being shot. Glad they tied it up but the whole thing about him not remembering and losing his innocene seemed out of place to me.

[Alan T]

when Locke told Ben welcome to the Land of the Living are we supposed to infer everyone in the past is dead?


Since Ben was the one that killed him, I think it was just Locke's way of letting Ben know that he was alive again. (as opposed to Ben being dead and seeing Locke in some "afterlife"

I didn't get the impression at all that it had any reference to the others in the past.

[DataKing]

Also the only somewhat hokey thing was explaining why Ben wouldn't remember being shot. Glad they tied it up but the whole thing about him not remembering and losing his innocene seemed out of place to me.

My question about Ben and Sayid is, is it necessarily true that Ben doesn't remember Sayid? I know Richard says that Ben won't remember any of this, but grown-up Ben is such a secretive character (and a pathological liar, IMO) that it is entirely possible that he does remember Sayid from his time as a child, and simply chooses not to reveal it.

[spleen1015]

I think he remembers, but we don't know that he does. That memory is why he has Sayid kill all of those people, his way of getting some sort of revenge against Sayid. Maybe next week will clue us in some more since it looks like a heavy Ben episode.

[Draft Dodger]

Also the only somewhat hokey thing was explaining why Ben wouldn't remember being shot. Glad they tied it up but the whole thing about him not remembering and losing his innocene seemed out of place to me.

it was extremely forced. they could have done a MUCH better job with that.

[Swaggs]

Very good episode. I loved the Miles/Hurley exchange -- I think it was definitely a shout out to the fans that are trying to figure out what is going on. Very well done.

Also thought the final scene with Locke waiting for Ben to wake up was very cool. I really liked how Locke showed a hint of a smile toward the end.

[OldGiants]

My guess is it's The Temple. Looked like the building where smokey tore the French guy's arm off too.

I thought it was the Black Rock, overgrown with weeds. I've always thought that ship was how Richard arrived.

[hoopsguy]

Huh, may have to watch that scene again because I thought it was Jacob's cabin.

[MrDNA]

I agree that it looked like the temple where the French dude met his fate.

[Swaggs]

I'm really looking forward to finding out what happened to Faraday (and Charlotte). A few episodes, Jack asked about him and someone (I think Sawyer) said he "was" here.

[Alan T]

I'm really looking forward to finding out what happened to Faraday (and Charlotte). A few episodes, Jack asked about him and someone (I think Sawyer) said he "was" here.

Yeah, it was Sawyer who said that.

Also we know that previously Charlotte had said that she thought Faraday was the crazy man from her youth. So obviously he goes crazy trying to make sure she never comes back to the island and he probably gets kicked off of the island or something I guess.

[lordscarlet]

I'm rather certain that was the temple.

[samifan24]

I'm rather certain that was the temple.

Lostpedia confirms that it was the temple.

[kingfc22]

The Hurley/Miles exchange was classic. Loved how the writers threw that in there.

[Chubby]

Figured it was the temple.

So will Ben be offered up to the Smoke Monster and that is what changes him? (like the french people from earlier this season)?

[DataKing]

I get the feeling that the "smoke monster" does not exist yet, and at this point the temple serves a different purpose.

[spleen1015]

I get the feeling that the "smoke monster" does not exist yet, and at this point the temple serves a different purpose.

That's an interesting idea.

According to Lostpedia, Danielle and her team encounter Smokey on 11-18-88, which I believe is the earliest in time we know of Smokey.

[OldGiants]

I haven't watched the scene again, but Temple is a good choice. The door way made me think of the dynamite scene at the Black Rock.

How will Ben's return be explained to his dad and the Dharma's?

I think we will learn the 'whispering' is folks on the island in different eras, like Ben and Locke are now. In essence, the Losties were hearing themselves in the early seasons of the show.

[DataKing]

I think we will learn the 'whispering' is folks on the island in different eras, like Ben and Locke are now. In essence, the Losties were hearing themselves in the early seasons of the show.


Ooo...very good. I like that idea. :D

[Chubby]

About Old Ben being judged and in the forest saying he can't control what's going to come out, I'm guessing he's referring to the Smoke Monster? Becuase this is being shown at the same time Young Ben is going into the Temple I will throw out there that I think whatever happens to Ben to heal him in the 70s will be what creates the Smoke Monster.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

It's been a common theory that the smoke monster is a tool of judgement. With Mr. Eko, when we first saw smokie there were images from his past in the smoke, then when smokie kills him his brother tells him he will be judged. When Juliet and Kate were approached by smokie there were a series of flashes and it has been theorized that they were being scanned for their past.

[samifan24]

Can someone remind me how Ben and Locke end up in the same room when Locke says "welcome to the land of the living?" I can't remember what happened. I thought Locke was dead? Is that a flashback? This show is too confusing sometimes.

[Alan T]

Can someone remind me how Ben and Locke end up in the same room when Locke says "welcome to the land of the living?" I can't remember what happened. I thought Locke was dead? Is that a flashback? This show is too confusing sometimes.


When the plane came back with Ben, Jack, Kate, etc (and Locke dead in a coffin).. most of the returnees were flashed to the past.

Ben, Sun, the pilot and Locke were not flashed to the past.

Locke did come back to life however somehow once he returned to the island.

Ben was attacked by Sun and the pilot when they were heading to the boats to go to the larger island, and I assume found and put in their make-shift infirmary. That is where Locke found him and waited for him to wake up.

[samifan24]

When the plane came back with Ben, Jack, Kate, etc (and Locke dead in a coffin).. most of the returnees were flashed to the past.

Ben, Sun, the pilot and Locke were not flashed to the past.

Locke did come back to life however somehow once he returned to the island.

Ben was attacked by Sun and the pilot when they were heading to the boats to go to the larger island, and I assume found and put in their make-shift infirmary. That is where Locke found him and waited for him to wake up.

Thank you. I wonder why Ben, Sun, Frank and Locke were not flashed to the past. I guess the other three have no idea Locke came back to life.

[spleen1015]

About Old Ben being judged and in the forest saying he can't control what's going to come out, I'm guessing he's referring to the Smoke Monster? Becuase this is being shown at the same time Young Ben is going into the Temple I will throw out there that I think whatever happens to Ben to heal him in the 70s will be what creates the Smoke Monster.

That part in the preview where Ben is in the forest and says he can't control what's coming out, I thought this was from the episode when he 'called' Smokey to come after the freighter commandos right after Keamy killed his daughter.

[StLee]

That was a very action-packed episode! I was surprised by a few things in there. I won't offer any spoilers for "just in case" purposes, but some events occurred a lot differently than I expected them to happen. I want to know exactly who that bounty hunter is now and what she knows. She will be an intriguing character for sure.

[BishopMVP]

Really disappointed with the portrayal of the smoke monster, but I don't really know how it wasn't going to be a letdown. Ben shooting Caesar was the most unexpected death since maybe Alex. Also, it's a little annoying they leave Ben floating facedown in the water and we're to assume that Desmond doesn't follow up the kill and make sure he's dead, but that's lost. Love Ben incredulously asking Sun "You didn't ask where Locke was going???".... welcome to our world buddy.Other than that one thing, great episode.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I truly doubt Caesar is dead. Also, I think we can dispense with spoiler tags, the show aired last night.

[Swaggs]

Locke is a pretty awesome character when he has some confidence and is assertive. Also, I thought Desmond beating the crap out of Ben was pretty awesome.

Pretty cool episode -- it felt like it was building up to something really big and didn't quite deliver, but still very cool overall.

[DanGarion]

Locke is a pretty awesome character when he has some confidence and is assertive. Also, I thought Desmond beating the crap out of Ben was pretty awesome.

Pretty cool episode -- it felt like it was building up to something really big and didn't quite deliver, but still very cool overall.

Yeah Desmond kicking Ben's ass was awesome.

[DataKing]

Solid episode, and I concur that Locke can be a pretty cool character at times. The only thing that bugged me about this episode was the piss-poor job they did of making Ben look like a "young Ben" when he stole Alex. Seems like with the production values of the show they could hire a makeup person worth a damn, rather than just give Michael Emerson a haircut.

[Swaggs]

The "young Ben" scene also opened up a pretty interesting new storyline, since it appeared that the kid with him was Ethan Rom (sp?). Ethan must have somehow survived Ben and the Others' wipeout of Dharma, so that is something to keep an eye out.

As mentioned, I'm also really looking forward to a Farraday episode to explain what happened to him. We can assume it had something to do with young Charlotte, but I hope they address it before the end of the season.

[DataKing]

I haven't been keeping track....how many more episodes do we have this season?

[cthomer5000]

Solid episode, and I concur that Locke can be a pretty cool character at times. The only thing that bugged me about this episode was the piss-poor job they did of making Ben look like a "young Ben" when he stole Alex. Seems like with the production values of the show they could hire a makeup person worth a damn, rather than just give Michael Emerson a haircut.

Yeah, it reminded me of some of the Jack "wearning a bad wig" episodes.

[Draft Dodger]

The "young Ben" scene also opened up a pretty interesting new storyline, since it appeared that the kid with him was Ethan Rom (sp?). Ethan must have somehow survived Ben and the Others' wipeout of Dharma, so that is something to keep an eye out.


didn't we already know that?

[Swaggs]

I haven't been keeping track....how many more episodes do we have this season?

According to wikipedia, there will be a new episode next week and then there will be a break, followed by two more weeks to finish out this season. But, the finale will have back-to-back new episodes.

So, essentially, there are three more weeks and four more hours left. And then, next season will be the series finale with 17 new episodes.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

According to wikipedia, there will not be a new episode this week and then there will be three consecutive weeks to finish out this season. But, the finale will have back-to-back new episodes.

So, essentially, there are three more weeks and four more hours left. And then, next season will be the series finale with 17 new episodes.

According to everything I've read, there IS a new episode next week ("Some Like It Hoth") and no new episode the week after that.

Also, the episode after the week break ("The Variable") is said to be a doozy.