2009 World Baseball Classic

[samifan24]

Just a reminder that Team USA's first game is against Team Canada in Toronto at 2 PM this afternoon on ESPN.

[Big Fo]

This Dominican Rupublic - Netherlands game has been pretty good through five innings.

[EagleFan]

Thanks for the reminder. Almost forgot about this.

[RainMaker]

Netherlands are getting dangerously close to upsetting the Dominican Republic. 3-2 in the 8th. Would be one of the bigger upsets in baseball history.

[samifan24]

Netherlands are getting dangerously close to upsetting the Dominican Republic. 3-2 in the 8th. Would be one of the bigger upsets in baseball history.

Absolutely. I sort of want them to do it.

[PineTar]

Upset!

[Big Fo]

Well played Dutchies. I hope USA - Canada is even half as entertaining.

[lighthousekeeper]

Half-watched China/Taiwan last night. I've never heard announcers less into a game. There's was a lot of this: "groundball to...er...Kashi...er...that guy playing short, throws it to...um...the first basemen. *yawn* 2 outs"

Would have been so much better if at least one of the announcers was Asian or a scout in Asia, or similar

[RainMaker]

I'm normally not a fan of Steve Phillips on ESPN but I actually thought he was a real solid color guy. He seemed to know a ton of info on almost every Dutch player. Was able to frame a nice background and storyline and made the game interesting.

[RainMaker]

Close win for the U.S. They kept shooting themselves in the foot with leaving men on base. Not driving in a run with bases loaded no outs in 7th and bases loaded in the 8th was bad. Have to wonder if Canada had Harden and Dempster on the roster if they would have been able to beat the U.S.

[samifan24]

Good game. Does anyone know which relievers will be available for the US tomorrow? I know Oswalt is starting but I don't know how many relievers didn't go today aside from Matt Lindstrom.

[Karlifornia]

Oh..... I see

[MIJB#19]

Seeing the Netherlands - Dominicap Republic score and the 'upset' tag, I wonder. As I'm not much of a baseball follower, so I don't consider myself an expert at all, I think I need some explanation here. How would this rank against, say, beating Cuba at the Olympics? Gut feeling says it's an apples and oranges discussion, with both being great performances for the Dutch team.

To get some feel for the game, how would you place the chances of a team versus a bunch of more talented individuals?

Looking at the roster for the Dutch team, it seems half of them played at the 2008 Olympics. The Dutch come together a couple of times per year, for example to play (and win) the European Championships every two years and finish 5th (or so) in the Olympics every four years. In theory, you'd have to think the Dutch have a better case of being called a team. In contrast, the Dominican Republic seems to be entirely made up of MLB pro's, while the Dutch team has just a handful of real pro's joined by two dozen semi-pro's at best. A classic skill versus team situation?

[kcchief19]

Seeing the Netherlands - Dominicap Republic score and the 'upset' tag, I wonder. As I'm not much of a baseball follower, so I don't consider myself an expert at all, I think I need some explanation here. How would this rank against, say, beating Cuba at the Olympics? Gut feeling says it's an apples and oranges discussion, with both being great performances for the Dutch team.
The "real" Cuban national team with all their stars would be on par with the Dominican team. In terms of upsets, I would put this on par with a college baseball team beating the New York Yankees. The college team might have a guy or two that will play in the major leagues and another few in the minors. It's definitely up there with the USA-USSR hockey game in 1980.

I think that's the proper comparison. The Dominicans certainly seemed to think they could just roll out there and win without a full effort, and then when they turned it up they pressed and made dumb mistakes -- stealing third down 1 late in the game?????

Considering Netherlands scored their only runs thanks to a fluke infield single, a bunt single, a walk, a wild pitch and a throwing error, the combination of events that brought about the win were amazing. They got three hits the entire game that never left the infield.

A win is a win. Considering how Netherlands got pounded at the Olympics, this was a stunner.

[SackAttack]

It's such a stunning upset that the link on ESPN's website points to a story that doesn't exist. I guess they didn't think it needed covering and now, oh crap, they have to report the news even though the story isn't written yet. :D

[lighthousekeeper]

The "real" Cuban national team with all their stars would be on par with the Dominican team. In terms of upsets, I would put this on par with a college baseball team beating the New York Yankees. The college team might have a guy or two that will play in the major leagues and another few in the minors. It's definitely up there with the USA-USSR hockey game in 1980.

I think that's the proper comparison. The Dominicans certainly seemed to think they could just roll out there and win without a full effort, and then when they turned it up they pressed and made dumb mistakes -- stealing third down 1 late in the game?????

Considering Netherlands scored their only runs thanks to a fluke infield single, a bunt single, a walk, a wild pitch and a throwing error, the combination of events that brought about the win were amazing. They got three hits the entire game that never left the infield.

A win is a win. Considering how Netherlands got pounded at the Olympics, this was a stunner.

any one single baseball game can never be considered that much of an upset. there's too much chance involved in baseball for any game to ever be a lock for 1 team.

[kcchief19]

any one single baseball game can never be considered that much of an upset. there's too much chance involved in baseball for any game to ever be a lock for 1 team.
I think it's easier for a major upset in baseball than in some other sports, if for no other reason than a great pitching performance can even the playing field. Then again, a great goaltending performance in hockey can level the playing field in a hurry too.

But I think the comparisons are apt. Netherlands won one game in the Olympics last year and in most of their games were blown out. They were outscored 50-9 in five of their seven games they were shutout and got four hits or less including a one-hitter. They've got three guys with major league experience, one of whom has a career ERA of 6.97 and one is Randall Simon, who played in an independent league last year.

[sterlingice]

US takes the lead in their game against Venezuela. Youkilis shaving the stupid beard was a good idea.

SI

[Big Fo]

De Rosa just walked with the bases loaded and nobody out to tie it at 3. USA has a chance to take a nice lead here.

Like the announcers the Jeter for Rollins sub made me cringe. I hate the All-Star team/exhibition game "let's have everyone play" mentality that seems to affect our baseball and basketball teams in international competition.

[Big Fo]

Ianetta clears the bases with a double off the wall. 6-3 in the sixth and the US is looking good for the next round.

[SackAttack]

De Rosa just walked with the bases loaded and nobody out to tie it at 3. USA has a chance to take a nice lead here.

Like the announcers the Jeter for Rollins sub made me cringe. I hate the All-Star team/exhibition game "let's have everyone play" mentality that seems to affect our baseball and basketball teams in international competition.

Unlike virtually any other major extraseasonal competition, the WBC takes place during spring training.

If you take a significant player away from his team, and don't give him playing time, how do you expect to convince teams to let their best players go to the WBC in the future?

I know it's a double-edged sword, because the risk of injury is going to make them reluctant, too. But if you take them and then don't use them, you give them back to their teams still tinged with winter's rust. That's not as bad as saying "Sorry, we broke him, he'll be okay in six months," but it's not really going to advocate well for your position, either.

[Big Fo]

Let them play every other game or something, like they've done with the catchers. It's just retarded seeing Rollings go 2-3 then be subbed out.

Youkilis HR makes it 10-3.

[samifan24]

Big win for Team USA. Is the next game Tuesday night?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm not trying to be snarky and I mean this honestly, but I had no idea that so many people cared about the WBC. I've heard that ESPN has been promoting the crap out of it, but I didn't think anybody placed much more importance on it than, say, the Pro Bowl. Hmm. Shows what I know.

[jbergey22]

Seeing the Netherlands - Dominicap Republic score and the 'upset' tag, I wonder. As I'm not much of a baseball follower, so I don't consider myself an expert at all, I think I need some explanation here. How would this rank against, say, beating Cuba at the Olympics? Gut feeling says it's an apples and oranges discussion, with both being great performances for the Dutch team.

To get some feel for the game, how would you place the chances of a team versus a bunch of more talented individuals?

Looking at the roster for the Dutch team, it seems half of them played at the 2008 Olympics. The Dutch come together a couple of times per year, for example to play (and win) the European Championships every two years and finish 5th (or so) in the Olympics every four years. In theory, you'd have to think the Dutch have a better case of being called a team. In contrast, the Dominican Republic seems to be entirely made up of MLB pro's, while the Dutch team has just a handful of real pro's joined by two dozen semi-pro's at best. A classic skill versus team situation?

Its a big upset but not something that anyone will remember past the next few days. Baseball is a sport where a dominating team can lose to a marginal team on any given day especially at the higher levels. Also, the rules are set up to protect MLB players and many of these players are not in their peak condition so this event is entertaining IMO but not something I will put too much into. These results would be much different in July when the best players have their timing and the pitchers are in good form.

[jbergey22]

I'm not trying to be snarky and I mean this honestly, but I had no idea that so many people cared about the WBC. I've heard that ESPN has been promoting the crap out of it, but I didn't think anybody placed much more importance on it than, say, the Pro Bowl. Hmm. Shows what I know.

I think the popularity of it comes from the countries other than the USA. I think many Americans realize that this event isnt a true indicator of where the baseball power really is while countries like Japan and Cuba want to show the world they have the talent to compete at any level. Id really be into this event IF they could find a better time to play it where every country was atleast in some sort of common form. If the USA wins Ill be happy if they dont I'll just pinpoint the loss to their players being in spring training form. I get much more enjoyment out of olympic baseball.

[Big Fo]

:lol: @ Australia ten-running Mexico 17-7.

I'm not trying to be snarky and I mean this honestly, but I had no idea that so many people cared about the WBC. I've heard that ESPN has been promoting the crap out of it, but I didn't think anybody placed much more importance on it than, say, the Pro Bowl. Hmm. Shows what I know.

Football, soccer, basketball, and baseball are my four favorite sports to watch. I follow this with interest just as I do the USA's World Cup or Olympic basketball campaigns. The tournament may not be nearly as prestigious but you can't fault the premise even if the execution (time of year, format) could be improved. I also think it's cool that baseball is doing something like this, especially since baseball has been removed from the Olympic games. Hopefully the tournament can attract more of a following over time and I don't really see why it wouldn't.

And I don't watch the Pro Bowl.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I personally love this stuff. Lots of fun to watch. I am a big fan of the World Cup, so seeing baseball have a tournament like that is terrific. Now if only we get to the point where every single player more or less wants to play for their country, with no reservations, and to be left off of the team or need to remove oneself from consideration is a crushing defeat for said player (as it is in the WC). I am hoping to see that one day.

I am also hoping fervently to see expatriate Cuban players and the current team reunited to put out the best potential Cuban team for once. Contreras, Kendry Morales, Livan Hernandez, who else? They should be playing for their countrymen right now. Stupid politics.

[ISiddiqui]

I think many Americans realize that this event isnt a true indicator of where the baseball power really is while countries like Japan and Cuba want to show the world they have the talent to compete at any level.

Oh, I dunno about that. I think Americans who downplay it also don't want to admit how good the rest of the world is. True its MLB spring training, but a lot of the players on other squads (like Venezuela as we say yesterday) are from the MLB.

Where ever you put it, you are going to have pluses and minuses for one country or another.

[lighthousekeeper]

Stupid politics.

you could then take this notion to the extreme and do away with geo-political boundaries altogether, then no need for a WBC. *cue John Lennon music*

[PilotMan]

I am very interested in his series. I have been looking forward to it for a long time. The idea behind it is good, and being able to see some guys who would never get a shot on this stage go against bonafide stars is fun to me.

I think that the timing is a little off, but can't think of another time where it would be better. The fact that it's in the spring means real baseball, to lead into the regular season.

I like hearing the stories of the players from the other countries, and I think that as time goes on the major league teams will have an easier time letting their players play, as long as the managers follow the instructions for the players.

[Pumpy Tudors]

OK, I see now. I was just very surprised at the following this event has. Maybe the following surprises me because the WBC is so new. I thought it would take at least 4 or 5 go-rounds before it caught on. Well, that's great. I hope it continues and attracts even more fans than it already has. I wish people had latched on to Arena Football so quickly. :)

What I mean is that I wish people had latched on to Arena Football at all. :(

[ISiddiqui]

South Korea beats Japan in the 2nd game between the two 1-0. Though both teams are moving on to the second round.

[Young Drachma]

OK, I see now. I was just very surprised at the following this event has. Maybe the following surprises me because the WBC is so new. I thought it would take at least 4 or 5 go-rounds before it caught on. Well, that's great. I hope it continues and attracts even more fans than it already has. I wish people had latched on to Arena Football so quickly. :)

What I mean is that I wish people had latched on to Arena Football at all. :(

It's not a good comparison, though. I mean, this is an event comprised of the best baseball players in the world. It's new, but it's still a World Cup-type event.

If NFL players played arena football, people would watch.

This is a novelty, but for a baseball fan it's been a long time coming to get something like this.

Even the best comparison to your Arena Football comparison is 20/20 Cricket vs. regular cricket, whereas 20/20 is a bastardized version of the game, but has caught on and become popular pretty fast around the world compared to regular cricket.

But again, it's the best players in the world playing and that I think makes all of the difference.

I hope AFL makes it back though. I mean, they had a good run and then it seems management got greedy and started thinking they were further along than they really were.

[samifan24]

South African leadoff hitter Gift Ngoepe is really fun to watch. He's pretty much like Juan Pierre back when Juan Pierre was actually good. Yes, his name is actually Gift and Charley Steiner told a story tonight about how Gift was actually born on a baseball field. By the way, if you Google his name, the second link is his Facebook page. This is the picture:

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v225/173/74/n637399394_5602.jpg

[Chief Rum]

you could then take this notion to the extreme and do away with geo-political boundaries altogether, then no need for a WBC. *cue John Lennon music*

Politics has its places. One of those places is NOT the baseball field. ;)

[Pumpy Tudors]

It's not a good comparison, though. I mean, this is an event comprised of the best baseball players in the world. It's new, but it's still a World Cup-type event.

If NFL players played arena football, people would watch.

This is a novelty, but for a baseball fan it's been a long time coming to get something like this.

Even the best comparison to your Arena Football comparison is 20/20 Cricket vs. regular cricket, whereas 20/20 is a bastardized version of the game, but has caught on and become popular pretty fast around the world compared to regular cricket.

But again, it's the best players in the world playing and that I think makes all of the difference.

I hope AFL makes it back though. I mean, they had a good run and then it seems management got greedy and started thinking they were further along than they really were.
Well, I wasn't really trying to compare the WBC to Arena Football. I'm just glad that people have become fans of this event pretty quickly, and as an AFL fan, I'm sad that the AFL was around for over 20 years and didn't get a whole lot of anything. I was just jealous more than anything.

In any case, my curiosity has been satisfied here. Since I haven't followed the WBC, I just didn't know that it was such an important event to many baseball fans. To be quite honest, I thought it was basically contested like a series of exhibitions that didn't really hold any kind of prestige. I was obviously grossly wrong about that, and seeing how many people are interested in it has opened my eyes.

The bottom line is that I just didn't get it.

[ISiddiqui]

:eek:

Holy crap! Italy beat Canada?! Daaaaamn!

[Young Drachma]

South African leadoff hitter Gift Ngoepe is really fun to watch. He's pretty much like Juan Pierre back when Juan Pierre was actually good. Yes, his name is actually Gift and Charley Steiner told a story tonight about how Gift was actually born on a baseball field. By the way, if you Google his name, the second link is his Facebook page. This is the picture:

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v225/173/74/n637399394_5602.jpg

Npho, his given name is Npho.

He's signed with the Pirates too. He'll be playing for them in the minors after the WBC is over.

Here's a story about Gift:

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[samifan24]

:eek:

Holy crap! Italy beat Canada?! Daaaaamn!

Yeah, Italy's good, I guess. Well that and Canada didn't have any big pitchers. Chris Denorfia went off.

[Young Drachma]

Well, I wasn't really trying to compare the WBC to Arena Football. I'm just glad that people have become fans of this event pretty quickly, and as an AFL fan, I'm sad that the AFL was around for over 20 years and didn't get a whole lot of anything. I was just jealous more than anything.

In any case, my curiosity has been satisfied here. Since I haven't followed the WBC, I just didn't know that it was such an important event to many baseball fans. To be quite honest, I thought it was basically contested like a series of exhibitions that didn't really hold any kind of prestige. I was obviously grossly wrong about that, and seeing how many people are interested in it has opened my eyes.

The bottom line is that I just didn't get it.

I was just showing off my cricket knowledge homes. ;)

[samifan24]

Npho, his given name is Npho.

He's signed with the Pirates too. He'll be playing for them in the minors after the WBC is over.

Here's a story about Gift:

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Thanks, I missed this story. I like him already and will be rooting for him.

[Big Fo]

:eek:

Holy crap! Italy beat Canada?! Daaaaamn!

It was cool reading some of the translated comments on the Gazzetta dello Sport's website, and I was happy to see that it was on the front page when this week's focus is on Juventus, Roma, and Inter in the Champions League.

[larrymcg421]

Netherlands and Dominican tied 0-0 in the top of the 9th. This would be amazing if Netherlands can pull it off.

[larrymcg421]

Bottom of the 9th now. Netherlands coming to the plate with a chance to win it.

[sterlingice]

Lord knows I'm watching

SI

[larrymcg421]

Headed to the 10th.

[JetsIn06]

Amazing game. :popcorn:

[sterlingice]

Any idea how fast Boyd is throwing?

SI

[JetsIn06]

Wow that was close. Are you all watching on MLB Network? Is it on any other channel?

I'm watching online through my mlb.tv subscription.

[samifan24]

Thanks for the heads up on this game. I'm now watching on MLB.tv. This new video player is really nice.

[sterlingice]

MLB Network has it on- that's where I'm watching it

SI

[JetsIn06]

Thanks for the heads up on this game. I'm now watching on MLB.tv. This new video player is really nice.

Yea it really is. I've been watching ST games and they only let you watch the lowest quality.

This is the first game they've shown with the new player and it's amazing.

[sterlingice]

Whoa. 13th inning gets wacky

SI

[JetsIn06]

Whoa. 13th inning gets wacky

SI

Yep. Kind of hoping it happens....very strange.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Whoa. 13th inning gets wacky

Let me guess, some sort of softball rule where they start each inning by putting a runner on base?

[JetsIn06]

Let me guess, some sort of softball rule where they start each inning by putting a runner on base?

Yea....each team starts with 0 outs and runner on 1st and 2nd.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, start with runners at 1st and 2nd, I think they said.

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yea....each team starts with 0 outs and runner on 1st and 2nd.

About what I suspected. {giggle} {snort}

[sterlingice]

Damn, damn, damn. If he just stops that in front of him, it's still tied. 1-0 Dominican

SI

[JetsIn06]

I'm thinking about it and I really hate the extra innings rule. If your going to do anything, just put a runner on 1st. A runner on 2nd makes it way to easy to sac bunt and then sac fly for a run.

[JetsIn06]

fuck

[samifan24]

Yea it really is. I've been watching ST games and they only let you watch the lowest quality.

This is the first game they've shown with the new player and it's amazing.

Just curious but have you been able to download and install the "next def" plugin needed to view at the highest quality? I downloaded in during a commercial but received an error message on my Mac. Maybe I need to close the viewer to install the plugin?

[JetsIn06]

Just curious but have you been able to download and install the "next def" plugin needed to view at the highest quality? I downloaded in during a commercial but received an error message on my Mac. Maybe I need to close the viewer to install the plugin?

To be honest I never even saw the option to download anything.

[sterlingice]

Kingsale redeems himself with a 2 run homer to win the game in the bottom of the 11th? Sure, it could happen ;)

SI

[JetsIn06]

dola

But on the bottom where that green bar thing is, mine is all the way to the right so I'm assuming I'm getting the best quality possible.

[larrymcg421]

Leadoff double. Wow!

[sterlingice]

Leadoff double for the Dutch!

SI

[samifan24]

Wow, what a way to start the inning!

[samifan24]

dola

But on the bottom where that green bar thing is, mine is all the way to the right so I'm assuming I'm getting the best quality possible.

Yup, I think you're getting the best quality. I'll have to try downloading the plugin after the game ends.

[JetsIn06]

HUGEEEE double

[JetsIn06]

Damn nice swing just missed that.

[samifan24]

WOW! Tie game!

[sterlingice]

Tie game!

SI

[JetsIn06]

Man this guy's swing is pretty ugly.

[larrymcg421]

Wow! Now we need a pop fly!

[sterlingice]

WOW!

SI

[JetsIn06]

Yess!!!!!!

[JetsIn06]

This is rediculous!!!!!

[Chief Rum]

Torn. Love the story of the Dutch in this one, but I also want the best of th ebest in the next round, and I believe the Dominicans should be one of the best.

Of course, maybe it's a new world. Go Netherlands! :)

[Big Fo]

NEDERLANDSE w00t

[larrymcg421]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[sterlingice]

DUTCH WIN!
DUTCH WIN!

SI

[samifan24]

Wow, what a finish!

[JetsIn06]

YES! YES! YES! YES!

[sterlingice]

Awesome game. I'm ready for baseball season now :D

SI

[larrymcg421]

Wel, Kingsale didn't hit the HR, but he certainly redeemed himself with the tying RBI and the winning Run. Good call, SI.

[lungs]

Amazing, amazing, game.

Great pitcher's duel.

[sterlingice]

Wel, Kingsale didn't hit the HR, but he certainly redeemed himself with the tying RBI and the winning Run. Good call, SI.

I'm kindof proud of that one :)

SI

[ISiddiqui]

HOLY CRAP... how did the Dutch beat the Dominican Republic twice?! Guess the D.R. is missing A-Rod pretty fierce now!

[sterlingice]

It was a really fun game to watch. If MLB Network does "instant classics"- this needs to be there

SI

[Big Fo]

Guess the D.R. is missing A-Rod pretty fierce now!

Hopefully that's a preview for the Yankees season then.

[Chief Rum]

DR...needs more Cow Bolé.

[RainMaker]

How did they lose twice to the Dutch? A-Rod or not, that team is still filled with all-stars and facing some minor leaguers and guys not even good enough to be in the minors.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, the Dutch team looked so badly overmatched at the plate and they lucked into 2 of those 3 hits that scored the two runs (the leadoff double was definitely a solid hit- it almost went out).

But, I think it was one of those times where the Dominican just didn't take them seriously even the second time and the pitchers alternated between taking advantage of the overaggression and lucking out of danger the whole game.

Honestly, the Dutch team looked like a AA team playing against the AL All Star team but that's what makes it so cool to see the win :)

SI

[cartman]

Somewhere, Chico Escuela is crying.

[Butter]

Watched the last 3 innings of the game last night... amazing. The Dutch, seriously? Are most of those players actually from The Netherlands, or from their Caribbean island territories?

Either way, it was amazing on Saturday, and flat jaw-dropping last night.

[ISiddiqui]

Cuba and Australia seemed like an amazing game as well, with a 2 run pinch hit HR with 2 outs in the 8th giving Cuba a 5-4 win.

Though I think Australia will knock off Mexico to get into the next round (then we'll see Cuba and Australia again for seeding)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I heard an interesting stat on Sportscenter when they were doing the highlights on the Dutch game.

Combined baseball salary on the team.....

Dominican Republic: $83.5 million
Dutch: $400 thousand

[sterlingice]

That was the combined MLB salary of the team, but, similar idea (i.e. there must be one Dutch player making league minimum)

SI

[MIJB#19]

Wow. Way to go, baseball team!

[Honolulu Blue]

I saw the end of the NED-DR game last night. Awesome. I can't believe the Dutchies pulled it off. Bert Blyleven should get into the Hall of Fame for his role in this. Wait a minute...

A few assorted comments:

* If the "biggest upset in history" happens two times between the same two teams within four days, then how big of an upset was it, really?
* I think the roster is a fairly even split between guys from the Netherlands and guys from the Caribbean.
* You guys who like the college football overtime system should LOVE the extra innnings system here. They're both variations of the same theme.

[ISiddiqui]

Sure y'all heard the US lost in the seeding game and PR beat the Netherlands.

But it seems that after the thumping Australia gave Mexico, Mexico is returning the favor! Winner of the games goes to the 2nd round (after a seeding game against Cuba) and Mexico is up 8-0 in the top of the 4th!

[MIJB#19]

* I think the roster is a fairly even split between guys from the Netherlands and guys from the Caribbean.I think it's a fairly even split between guys from the Netherlands and guys from the Netherlands.

[Big Fo]

I think it's a fairly even split between guys from the Netherlands and guys from the Netherlands.

So does anyone back in the Netherlands give a care? (about the wins, not the Caribbean/Europe split I mean)

[MIJB#19]

So does anyone back in the Netherlands give a care? (about the wins, not the Caribbean/Europe split I mean)Some of us do, most of us don't. We all know how popularity works, media coverage determines what's hot and what's not.

Baseball is one of the third-tier sports. It's not soccer, it's not in the group of well-covered sports, but it does get their share of time on national television. These wins make the fornt page of the sports pages in newspapers. At the same time, had the team gown out after two hard fought 4-3 losses, the news papers would have largely ignored it. National TV would have given it some minutes in the scare 20-some minutes on week days.

There's no live covarage overhere, although I'm sure there will be attempts to get live coverage if 'our guys' make it to the final four.

[Big Fo]

So I totally forgot about the US - PR game last night and saw this morning that we got ten-runned by our own commonwealth. So today we face an elimination game against the Netherlands, the top baseball power in all of Europe. At least Jake Peavy isn't starting again.

[samifan24]

So I totally forgot about the US - PR game last night and saw this morning that we got ten-runned by our own commonwealth. So today we face an elimination game against the Netherlands, the top baseball power in all of Europe. At least Jake Peavy isn't starting again.

I didn't catch the game but man, what an embarrassing loss. Surely USA will rebound against the surprising Dutch.

[ISiddiqui]

Way to go Peavy!

[Chief Rum]

I didn't catch the game but man, what an embarrassing loss. Surely USA will rebound against the surprising Dutch.

Didn't we lose in the second round last time, too? I forget. Very disappointing. Judging from the team member comments, they are pretty embarrassed, too, so I hope that helps motivate them better.

As for Peavy, Johnson kept him in to meet the Padres' pitch count requirements. Really? WTH? Have him throw side work in the bullpen after taking him out if you want to do that. Gawd, the attitude in particular of the American baseball establishment to this event is galling to a fan who wants to see his country do well in their own bleeping national past time.

[Big Fo]

This article rips Team USA's coaching staff pretty hard, from the "get everyone their time" mentality to not being aware of the rules.

Team USA makes a mockery of WBC mission - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=An8OdJbqZ0dJKHcxhwkVXoARvLYF?slug=jp-useloses031409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[ISiddiqui]

Cuba vs. Japan has been very interesting so far. Bottom of the 1st, Dice-K lets on 1st and 2nd with 1 out, but gets them out (vintage Dice-K, I guess). And in then in the top of the 2nd, Japan has two baserunners picked off of 1st after walks.

And 7:30 Eastern, US tries not to get eliminated.

[Big Fo]

I like how the absolute worst baseball town in the country was chosen as one of the hosts in round two. They must have been worried about weather in places were people actually like the sport.

USA up 3-0 in the second inning after a Jimmy Rollins two run shot. Brian Reroberts just got his second hit, his inclusion in the squad after Dustin Pedroia's injury had the Netherlands filing an official protest but due to how the rules are written we're in the clear.

Japan beat Cuba 6-0.

Mexico - South Korea is on at 11pm.

[samifan24]

I like how the absolute worst baseball town in the country was chosen as one of the hosts in round two. They must have been worried about weather in places were people actually like the sport.

USA up 3-0 in the second inning after a Jimmy Rollins two run shot. Brian Reroberts just got his second hit, his inclusion in the squad after Dustin Pedroia's injury had the Netherlands filing an official protest but due to how the rules are written we're in the clear.



Yeah it's pretty disappointing to see the stands so empty.

The broadcasters just explained that teams aren't allowed to add players to the roster mid-round but never explained why Roberts was allowed to replace Pedroia mid-round but Team USA cannot fill Chipper Jones' roster spot. They never explained it.

[Big Fo]

They were able to swap Pedroia for Roberts because the US hadn't played their first game in round two yet despite the Netherlands - Venezuela game having already started.

Chipper Jones was going to play tonight before being scratched out of the lineup and he won't play in the rest of the WBC, but the US team can't replace him until the next round if they make it.

[Big Fo]

Nice bit of controversy in an 8-2 game as the Dutch celebrate a homerun with enough enthusiasm to cause Matt Lidstrom to throw behind their next batter.

8-3 USA now after a sac fly, top of the eighth.

edit: I don't think a nationalist brawl would hurt this competition's standing one bit in terms of coverage or fan interest.

[ISiddiqui]

Good the US actually looked worthy to move to the next round.

[ISiddiqui]

I like how the absolute worst baseball town in the country was chosen as one of the hosts in round two. They must have been worried about weather in places were people actually like the sport.

Well LA is for the Finals. And I'm not sure Texas would have been much better (well, perhaps aside from Mexican games, though, then again, that doesn't hurt in SD either - where it looks packed for that game right now).

Where else would work that wouldn't be too cold?

[Big Fo]

Seattle, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Arizona, Houston, Tampa Bay, and Toronto all have indoor/retractable roof stadiums.

Toronto was used in the first round. Perhaps Arizona is too close to San Diego and Los Angeles which are also hosting. Tampa Bay also has attendance issues.

I think any of the other three would be better than Miami.

[ISiddiqui]

Toronto was chosen because of its 'international' location. As was the stadium in San Juan. It was no mistake that none of the 1st round was held in the US, while all of the rest of it is.

For the semis and finals, I'm sure they wanted areas that were warm outdoors as well as indoors, as well as selling the game as best played and watched outdoors (which it is).

Interestingly enough, last time for the final three stadiums were Angel Stadium, Estadio Hiram Bithorn in San Juan, and Petco Park in San Diego - all outdoor stadiums.

[RainMaker]

I think Miami was chosen because of the ethnic makeup of the city. They probably figured a lot of hispanics would want to see the game. They were wrong.

Lot of stadiums outdoors that could be used. Arlington, Houston, Arizona, and Atlanta. Heck, doesn't Las Vegas have a decent sized stadium?

[ISiddiqui]

Atlanta is way too cold for a baseball tourney right now. Trust me.

[MIJB#19]

Ah well, it was a fun little run while it lasted.

[Big Fo]

Venezuela is having a clear homerun reviewed after it was called off the wall. It would put them up 2-0 in the seventh, so if they were to hold on the US would have a rematch with Puerto Rico to see who makes the semifinals. This is taking longer than a challenge in an NFL game...

[Karlifornia]

I've adopted Venezuela as my team in this competition. I'm not too sure why, but go Venezuela!

[PilotMan]

This has been what baseball is all about. A close game where every batter makes a difference. Every pitch is important and the crowed is on the edge, not to mention the players.

This has been a fun game to watch, despite not too much offense.

[Big Fo]

I never cared when he was with Anaheim but I'm going to hate K-Rod now that he's in the division.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Atlanta is way too cold for a baseball tourney right now.

And too wet.

[larrymcg421]

USA down 4-3 in the 6th in an elimination game against Puerto Rico.

[Scoobz0202]

Bottom of 7th. Man on 2nd. One out. Jeter's up if anybody is interested. Still down 4-3

[Big Fo]

Nice move by Victorino turning into the throw there.

[Scoobz0202]

Yea, that was pretty funny. Definitely worked out for us.

[RainMaker]

What channel is this game on? Can't find it anywhere.

[Scoobz0202]

MLB Network.

Fucking stupid, I know.

[Big Fo]

Blame that stupid NCAA play-in game.

C'mon Youk we need a hit here.

[RainMaker]

Got it, forgot I had that channel.

[larrymcg421]

Down to 6 outs.

[larrymcg421]

This commentary is so bad. There is no sense of the moment. This is a one run game in the 8th inning and the loser is eliminated. You think they might try to sound excited.

[Scoobz0202]

This commentary is so bad. There is no sense of the moment. This is a one run game in the 8th inning and the loser is eliminated. You think they might try to sound excited.

I agree to an extent. They lack excitement. I don't think their analysis has been terrible, but they do definitely treat this like it's just another exhibition game. I like the WBC, but it definitely needs some work on the whole... making it a big deal?

[Scoobz0202]

dola -

4-3 going into the bottom of the 8th

[JonInMiddleGA]

they do definitely treat this like it's just another exhibition game

Umm ... I can think of a reason that might be the case.

[Scoobz0202]

I would explain further but I am sure you get my point so there is no need.

[Big Fo]

Gah, we keep hitting the ball hard but right at their guys.

[larrymcg421]

3 outs left for the USA.

[Big Fo]

And that's why you don't put Rollins at DH and Jeter at SS. Fuck you Davey Johnson.

[larrymcg421]

But, but Jeter is a True Yankee and always come through in the clutch!

[Big Fo]

Victorino and Roberts single, two on no out, USA down two.

Let's go Jeter! *washes out mouth*

[larrymcg421]

Clutch!

[Big Fo]

Bases loaded with one out after Rollins draws a walk. Weird for Puerto Rico to wait until now to bring in the closer...

[larrymcg421]

Walked in the run! Winning run at 2nd!

[larrymcg421]

USA to the semis!

[Scoobz0202]

Wow. I left in the top of the ninth after it was 5-3 figuring it was game over, and just got home in time to see Wright. Awesome.

[Captain2711]

D Wright representing New York baby!!!

[RainMaker]

Are they allowed to add players for the semis?

[Ksyrup]

Am I allowed to point out that the only out of the bottom of the 9th was made by Derek Jeter? Or am I obliged to congratulate him for sacrificing himself to move a meaningless run to third?

[larrymcg421]

Am I allowed to point out that the only out of the bottom of the 9th was made by Derek Jeter? Or am I obliged to congratulate him for sacrificing himself to move a meaningless run to third?

He just didn't want to clog the bases.

[MrDNA]

This game sounds exciting - wish it was on some sort of TV... :grr:

[samifan24]

Are they allowed to add players for the semis?

Yes.

[samifan24]

Wow, that was a great finish. I almost felt bad for Puerto Rico when all they had left to work with was J.C. Romero and Fernando Cabrera.

[Big Fo]

Man it just looked like it wasn't our night for the longest time there, no breaks, Beltran making that awesome catch to rob McCann of a homer, and then Wright hits a bloop double off his shoelaces to win.

[larrymcg421]

Meanwhile, the announcers sound much more excited for this Japan-Korea game.

[Big Fo]

Meanwhile, the announcers sound much more excited for this Japan-Korea game.

So does the crowd.

[PilotMan]

This game sounds exciting - wish it was on some sort of TV... :grr:


I have only had MLB.TV for the computer for a couple of weeks, but so far I am loving it. I have already watched so much baseball. I can't wait for the regular season, I hopefully won't miss a Dodgers game all year long. Totally worth the 80 dollar investment for me. Oh, and I got the first two rounds of the WBC too.

[ISiddiqui]

David Wright for the win!!! What a game!

[Big Fo]

Brian Roberts leads off the USA - Japan semifinal with a homerun off Dice K. On ESPN if anyone that cares forgot...

[MJ4H]

Keep me updated, I'm currently watching my wife play the Tool gig on Guitar Hero IV.

[Crapshoot]

Still 1-0 - Matsuzaka doesn't look so great. Really, I wonder if Japan will regret not giving Darvish (who for selfish reasons, I wanted to see) the start.

[Big Fo]

6-2 Japan in the sixth. Oswalt had one bad inning and wasn't helped by a bad bounce on a ball to Roberts.

[Crapshoot]

Does anyone else get the impression that Japan is a Whitey Herzog team on crack? I mean, they hit line drive after line drive and run like the wind - its genuinely enjoyable to watch.

[ISiddiqui]

It's pretty ridiculous actually. Unfortunately I don't see the US pulling this one out, but they could have another amazing comeback, but how many of those can you have in a tourney?

[Big Fo]

Fuck off Joe Morgan, the Astros are going to be shitty either way, there was no need to leave Oswalt in there that long.

[Big Fo]

DeRosa's two-run triple just made things more interesting.

[Chief Rum]

Yup, this one got a lot more exciting just now.

[spleen1015]

Why can't Jeter make those kinds of mistakes with the WS on the line?

[ISiddiqui]

That's a more "clutch" event ;).

[larrymcg421]

Jeter is a True Yankee, but apparently not a True American. :)

[samifan24]

While I enjoyed Team USA's run in the WBC, I knew from the start that Team USA would have to approach the tournament differently from the other teams. I think the ESPN broadcasters hit the nail on the head when they discussed the timing and how Davey Johnson was essentially handcuffed due to the timing of the tournament.

Looks like a good matchup for the final tomorrow night. I'll be rooting for Big League Choo and South Korea.

[Chief Rum]

While I enjoyed Team USA's run in the WBC, I knew from the start that Team USA would have to approach the tournament differently from the other teams. I think the ESPN broadcasters hit the nail on the head when they discussed the timing and how Davey Johnson was essentially handcuffed due to the timing of the tournament.

Bull. These are excuses Americans and those involved in US baseball use to make themselves feel good about losing again in this. The only issue is a lack of commitment from the people behind USA baseball, from the owners to the GMs to the players. I am hoping Selig's announcement yesterday telling GMs they are going to have accept this tournament is here to stay, and that they will have to "put the interests of baseball ahead of their selfish, provincial interests" will finally become a reality for these people, although it make end up needing to take some hand forcing.

I do hope they consider changes to the tournament to put players in a better position to participate and be in condition to participate.

[JonInMiddleGA]

re: Selig's comment -- The most important interest of Major League Baseball, its GM's and its players is the product that runs from April until October, not this exhibition sideshow.

[Chief Rum]

re: Selig's comment -- The most important interest of Major League Baseball, its GM's and its players is the product that runs from April until October, not this exhibition sideshow.

No, the most important interest of Major League Baseball, its GMs and its players is $ $ $ $. And I am surprised to have to say that to one of the most cynical posters on this board.

The WBC is growing baseball's financial footprint in the international market, and it's not hurting it here in the U.S.

[jbergey22]

Bull. These are excuses Americans and those involved in US baseball use to make themselves feel good about losing again in this. The only issue is a lack of commitment from the people behind USA baseball, from the owners to the GMs to the players. I am hoping Selig's announcement yesterday telling GMs they are going to have accept this tournament is here to stay, and that they will have to "put the interests of baseball ahead of their selfish, provincial interests" will finally become a reality for these people, although it make end up needing to take some hand forcing.

I do hope they consider changes to the tournament to put players in a better position to participate and be in condition to participate.

It doesnt seem like excuses to me. It is the truth.

Americans dont give 2 cents about this tournament and likely never will. Its set up stupidly, its set up at the wrong time, and the rules make it more worthless. Baseball should never be in a one and done format for 1. For two the limit on IP's is because the WBC knows the Americans dont play baseball during the winter months, Thirdly what do the Americans have to prove in regards to baseball? Its like saying Tiger Woods isnt the best golfer in the world because he lost some meaningless tournament.

It pretty much sums up how dumb it is when ARod can play for one team one year and in the next tournament play for another team. I'm sorry if you feel strongly about this but it is what is like Jon said "An exhibition sideshow"

[Chief Rum]

It doesnt seem like excuses to me. It is the truth.

Americans dont give 2 cents about this tournament and likely never will. Its set up stupidly, its set up at the wrong time, and the rules make it more worthless. Baseball should never be in a one and done format for 1. For two the limit on IP's is because the WBC knows the Americans dont play baseball during the winter months, Thirdly what do the Americans have to prove in regards to baseball? Its like saying Tiger Woods isnt the best golfer in the world because he lost some meaningless tournament.

It pretty much sums up how dumb it is when ARod can play for one team one year and in the next tournament play for another team. I'm sorry if you feel strongly about this but it is what is like Jon said "An exhibition sideshow"

Tell that to the fans you will see screaming in support of their team tomorrow night when Japan goes versus Korea. See if they agree with you that this is an exhibition sideshow.

Just because that's your opinion, doesn't make it so (anymore than it mine makes it so).

[jbergey22]

Tell that to the fans you will see screaming in support of their team tomorrow night when Japan goes versus Korea. See if they agree with you that this is an exhibition sideshow.

Just because that's your opinion, doesn't make it so (anymore than it mine makes it so).


I was certain we were discussing American views not the views of the other countries. It seems the Asian countries along with Cuba are the only ones that real care too much about this tourny.

[fantom1979]

I flipped over to catch the score of the Japan/US game. I have now officially watched 20 total minutes of WBC action..... woot

[JonInMiddleGA]

No, the most important interest of Major League Baseball, its GMs and its players is $ $ $ $. And I am surprised to have to say that to one of the most cynical posters on this board.

And April to October is what generates those dollars, not some sideshow.

The WBC is growing baseball's financial footprint in the international market, and it's not hurting it here in the U.S.

That's (lower case b) baseball's footprint, not Major League Baseball's footprint. And it's not as though there's a shortage of players in the league with names the fans can't pronounce already. You want to kill the league in the U.S., go ahead and force fans to eagerly anticipate the big three game series in Caracas while the Dodgers head off to play Tokyo. Not to mention killing their TV deal since I don't picture it being fiscally responsible to send Morgan & Miller globetrotting on a weekly basis.

[Ksyrup]

It's no secret that I absolutely detest international, country-versus-country sports competitions (particularly including the Olympics), and the WBC is no different. I just don't care who wins, and I certainly don't care more if the US wins or loses. Why? Because it is meaningless. "Playing for your country" is an outdated concept in 2008 - and it has been ( or should have been) for years. Nations determining their self-worth and turning a sport into a "you vs. me" competition about which nation is better = fucking pathetic. I just want to see stellar competition, and it matters not one bit where the athletes are from.

I think Shysterball said it best a few weeks ago:

The final reason -- and this one I'm somewhat less ashamed of, though I'm not sure if I should be -- is that I find that pitting nation-state against nation-state in any competition is a passe exercise. I'm not in favor of one world government or anything, but I do have a mild Utopian streak in me, and I thus find the competition of countries to be a rather quaint and ultimately meaningless construct that I hope is one day supplanted by a little more oneness, ya know? Oh, I'll grant the World Cup and the modern Olympics their current constructs because nations were more important when they started and I'll grant them their setup for the sake of history, but we really aren't in that world anymore. Or at least we should strive not to be. All of us have more things in common with some people in other countries than we do with some people in our own. With specific reference to sports, we all know that no country has a monopoly on top talent. Why then pit countries against one another? What, exactly, does it prove? The height of internationalism, in my mind at least, is when people from all over the world play together rather than divide up into categories determined by accident of birth. For the time being, that means all of the best baseball players playing in the Major Leagues. Or all of the best soccer players playing in the EPL or in Germany or Italy or whatever league is supposed to the best. At some point -- like, when we master teleportation -- I'll want to see truly global leagues.

The reason other countries care and we don't is twofold, IMO - (1) we have established leagues that have most of the top talent in the sports we care about the most, so nationalized sporting competitions are merely annoying exhibitions at best, and (2) we're a huge country with few bordering neighbors, so there really is less of a need to "prove" ourselves in this way. I guess I could understand some small country landlocked by 3-5 other countries getting into a sports "border war,' but we have no need for that here. Or, more precisely, that's what college sports are for. That's our version of nationalistic sporting events. So asking us to care about the WBC as US fans...it's never going to happen in any big way. And I don't really care if MLB teams pull all of the US's big league talent from the tournament. If they win = who cares? If they lose = who cares? Let's just get to opening day of what really matters, please.

Having said all that, I actually watched quite a bit of the WBC, not because I care who wins, but because I love baseball and this is the closest thing to "real" baseball I can watch until MLB begins. And for that, I actually like it. Who's playing and who wins...I don't give a shit.

[samifan24]

Bull. These are excuses Americans and those involved in US baseball use to make themselves feel good about losing again in this. The only issue is a lack of commitment from the people behind USA baseball, from the owners to the GMs to the players.

I do hope they consider changes to the tournament to put players in a better position to participate and be in condition to participate.

Players don't want to participate because they're afraid they'll get hurt and teams don't really want to send them because they're afraid they'll get hurt or not be prepared for the beginning of the season. This is something that all teams dealt with, not just the US, so I don't see how that's simply an "excuse" US baseball made simply because they lost.

All I'm saying is that if you hold a tournament during Spring Training, when MLB players are not in game shape (their fault), and if the manager treats each game like an exhibition rather than going all-out to win, as Davey Johnson did, then you're going to get less than a complete effort from Team USA.

I'm happy that the players that signed up represented the US. But Johnson did far less than he could because he was beholden to the MLB GMs and managers back in training camp and that fact changed the nature of Team USA from the start. Plenty of other teams have MLB players on their roster but you saw different "strategy" from them. I've heard it said that USA Baseball just didn't care about winning the WBC, and that may be true, but you can't put that on the 25 players that suited up for the tournament. It comes from higher up and will not change until the culture surrounding the WBC changes here in the States. My issue is with they way Johnson used those players, as though he were managing an All-Star game or an exhibition game rather than in a tournament that counts. As David Wright said, "we know what we've signed up for" so at least the players recognize that.

I think we agree that USA Baseball approaches the WBC differently than other countries, even countries that have MLB players on their rosters. I think the real question is how to change that approach so Johnson can do more than simply make sure everyone gets an at-bat during the WBC and that sort of thing.

[ISiddiqui]

we're a huge country with few bordering neighbors, so there really is less of a need to "prove" ourselves in this way. I guess I could understand some small country landlocked by 3-5 other countries getting into a sports "border war,' but we have no need for that here.

Someone doesn't follow what people are like during the Olympics ;). Americans definitely get into national competitions. It's just the Olympics that we get up for. Mostly because, a) we aren't that great yet in soccer to really care about the World Cup, and b) the WBC is in its infancy and during Spring Training.

[DaddyTorgo]

Someone doesn't follow what people are like during the Olympics ;). Americans definitely get into national competitions. It's just the Olympics that we get up for. Mostly because, a) we aren't that great yet in soccer to really care about the World Cup, and b) the WBC is in its infancy and during Spring Training.

I take issue with (a)

17th in the latest FIFA rankings

17th bitches! And by the time we get a lil deeper in WC qualifying we should be 15th.

We're 12pts off Paraguay in 15th place (4 wins).

[molson]

Baseball just isn't designed for this kind of format. The outcome is a total crapshoot.

If it was 6 weeks long with 30+ games per team and there were stricter rules about what team you could play for, it would be pretty awesome.

[MJ4H]

Yes baseball is too high in variance for short competitions.

[Ksyrup]

Someone doesn't follow what people are like during the Olympics ;). Americans definitely get into national competitions. It's just the Olympics that we get up for. Mostly because, a) we aren't that great yet in soccer to really care about the World Cup, and b) the WBC is in its infancy and during Spring Training.

Eh, I disagree. While I definitely saw a bunch of coverage of the Olympics and specifically how the US (and the other countries) was doing, I didn't really see a huge nationalistic outpouring at all from Americans. Michael Phelps became a huge star here because he is an American and did well in the Olympics, but I didn't see anybody screaming about America's superiority because he won 8 gold medals. Really, what I saw in the Olympics from the coverage, regardless of whether the person was American or not, was individual stories. Case in point...I couldn't even tell you what country that Bolt (spelling?) guy is from. Of course you had people at the events rooting by coutnry, because that's how the competition is set up. But when it was all said and done, people went about their business largely unaffected by whether Americans won or lost, aside from the few breakout, individual stars/celebrities that were made there.

My sense is that people generally only pay attention to the Olympics because it's become so firmly ingrained as an "event" - kinda like an extended Super Bowl for non-football followers. Each year, a bunch of people who've never watched football go to SB parties just to have fun and be included. That's about what the Olympics is for most Americans. My sense is we're taken by good stories and performances, regardless of what nationality. And I think that's borne out by the soap opera-like coverage we see every Olympics. If they happen to live here, of course they get more publicity here. But the nationalistic pride angle is really second to the proximity to celebrity thing, IMO. I don't know many people who claim America is superior thanks to its basketball team and archery club winning gold medals. People get into it for the moment, and then shrug it off and forget about it a month later, until the next time. Whoopee.

[ISiddiqui]

Personally, I saw people going crazy for the Olympics more than any other sport with the exception of college football. People like Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin became household names. They screamed over Chinese shenanigans with the ages of their female gymnists. They followed the medal counts like hawks.

It wasn't about stories so much as it was rooting for the US. Sure, when someone like Usain Bolt (from Jamaica, btw) wins in such stunning fashion, the American public will pay attention. But make no mistake, there was plenty of nationalistic rooting.

[JonInMiddleGA]

People like Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin became household names.

For about 15 minutes.

It wasn't about stories so much as it was rooting for the US. Sure, when someone like Usain Bolt (from Jamaica, btw) wins in such stunning fashion, the American public will pay attention. But make no mistake, there was plenty of nationalistic rooting.

Got me fairly well, Bolt was an interesting sidebar but was the exception not the rule.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm fairly sure I can mention Shawn Johnson or Nastia Liukin in my office and people will know immidately who I'm talking about. ;)

[Ksyrup]

I'd heard of Shawn Johnson before the Olympics, just from ESPN/sports coverage shrapnel, and until today had never heard of Nastia Liukin. Aside from Insane Bolt, Phelps, and some basketball players, I don't think I could name a single person in the Olympics.

I bet 5% of Americans couldn't name the top 5 countries in overall medals and golds. No one gives a shit once the "event" is over, and I certainly don't hear Americans throwing around our lofty Olympic performance in discussions about our failings in international dealings.

[ISiddiqui]

What a great duel so far. The Japanese keep hitting, but Bong has prevented them from scoring (aside from one unearned run). Iwakuma has been excellent, but its very, very close.

[MrDNA]

WOW. The last inning plus has been incredible.

[Izulde]

Fantastic game so far, especially the last couple innings as others have said.

[ISiddiqui]

And what a double play to prevent more than 1 run! Some great defense!

[Big Fo]

I hope Japan wins this, it was lame when the Korean team planted a flag on the mound after being Japan in the second round.

[Crapshoot]

This is just great baseball.

[Izulde]

Huge strikeout there!

[Izulde]

Tied game! What a clutch 2-out single bottom of 9th!

[Chief Rum]

This is fun. :)

[Izulde]

Hell of an AB by Ichiro there and that 2-run double just put a huge crimp in Korea's chances.

[Travis]

So maybe they'll walk Ichiro next time he's up if they can tie this back up?

[Crapshoot]

What CR said. Ichiro is ridiculous.

[Izulde]

Stupid decision to pitch to Ichiro. Hell of a game, though.

[ISiddiqui]

Argh... why have the WBC Championship Game starting at 9:30 Eastern on a work night? Had to go to bed and missed some great baseball in the last few innnings of the game. But, congrats to Japan!

It was always known that Darvish wanted to come over to the MLB (and sooner rather than later). How soon do you think before Iwakuma comes over as well after his performance in this tourney?

[samifan24]

Argh... why have the WBC Championship Game starting at 9:30 Eastern on a work night?

I wondered the same thing until my West Coast friends reminded me that they wanted to watch the game after work, too.

[ISiddiqui]

Hour earlier would have made it 5:30 PM Pacific. And isn't it more important to see the end rather than the beginning?

[sooner333]

I think it has more to do with the game being availible in all of the nations that were in the WBC (minus Netherlands). Notice that people in Korea and Japan were watching and the game started mid-morning for them. It would have been harder for them to watch if it was something like 7:00 ET.

[StLee]

I had a class full of young women (nutrition majors) who insisted upon watching the game in class rather than me teaching them English. Unfortunately, I had to console them all after the last batter struck out in the 10th.

[Mr. Sparkle]

It was always known that Darvish wanted to come over to the MLB (and sooner rather than later). How soon do you think before Iwakuma comes over as well after his performance in this tourney?

I thought Darvish said recently he wasn't looking to come to the U.S. to play in the majors anytime soon? I'll see if I can dig up a link...

[Mr. Sparkle]

Dola.

Here we go.

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Things can change quickly, of course, and I'd love to see him in the majors...just not in the NL West. Unless he's a Giant.

[ISiddiqui]

That's right. I had forgotten he said he wanted to be the hero in Japan.

[sterlingice]

I had a class full of young women (nutrition majors) who insisted upon watching the game in class rather than me teaching them English. Unfortunately, I had to console them all after the last batter struck out in the 10th.

:D

SI

[Big Fo]

In 2013 we'll get to see a "Redeem Team" ala team USA Basketball at this Summer's Olympics.

[sooner333]

How come they waited only three years this time?