Football Simulators

[4einc]

Hey Y'all;

I'm on the market for a new football simulator to use so please post'em with links as I already know of:

Front Office Football
http://www.solecismic.com/fof/index.php

Sports Moguls - Football Mogul 2k9
Football Mogul 2009 (http://sportsmogul.com/games/football2k9.html)

UFL
The UFL Home Page (http://ufl.no-ip.info/)

Action PC Football
Action! PC Football (http://dksports.com/football.htm)

Sad thing is I've used all the ones I've mentioned above and have found issues with'em all such as:

Front Office Football - only allowed to run one league at all, you start another league and the same team names are in that league if you try to change the teams name then it'll affect the first league too

Football Mogul - Too many bugs, if you have an uneven number of teams then certain teams won't play.. not to mention your only allowed to play a certain number of seasons

Action PC Football - Too difficult to setup as you have to create players one by one manual style (no quick fix for this)

UFL - Fun game as there is a "patch" sort of for automation of games but when it's setup you can't do anything as it runs on a macro.

So I'm looking at the market for another football game to use, I heard about Maximum Football (Computer Football Game - Maximum-Football PC Program - Wintervalley Custom Software (http://www.maximum-football.com/)) but there is NO demo so I don't even know what the game is like without buying it, or if it's "Fantasy League" capable as I always run my leagues off fantasy teams and players.

If you know any others post the names and links as I'm interested in checking them out ASAP.

Thanks y'all in advance
- Shane -

[miked]

Front Office Football - only allowed to run one league at all, you start another league and the same team names are in that league if you try to change the teams name then it'll affect the first league too

You can get around this pretty easily with the use of batch files. Many people play in several multi-player leagues. There's even a video of how to do this.

[4einc]

wheres the video or how can I do it cause I love FOF

[cubboyroy1826]

Miked, can you provide a link to the video? I used to know how to do the batch file but it has been a long time. Thanks.

[cartman]

As miked mentioned, there is a workaround for having multiple independent leagues. Here is a thread with the screencast:

Batch File Screencast - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=70623)

In regards to Maximum Football, this thread should answer any questions you may have. Just set aside a few hours to go through it all:

Maximum Football??? - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=45810)

[cubboyroy1826]

Thanks Cartman.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh sweet jeez...is this for real? MaxFB to the rescue!!!

[rowech]

Second and Ten Version VI (http://www.secondandten.com/)

[SegRat]

It's not out yet

EBM Sports: A sports text-sim company. (http://www.ebmsports.com/)

[PadresFan104]

Second and Ten Version VI (http://www.secondandten.com/)

The best non-career Football Sim on the market IMO.

[Nugget699]

Is Action PC football like Fof, in that you can follow a career, or is it a strictly replay sim like SAT?

[Neon_Chaos]

Professional Football Simulator

http://www.barcodegames.com/

[USFLTecmo]

Is Action PC football like Fof, in that you can follow a career, or is it a strictly replay sim like SAT?

Action's strictly replay, but it's gotten better over the years. The early verisons (especially the retail version, Season Ticket Football) were very buggy.

[4einc]

I had the batch file setup but then things quickly got messed up and what I mean by that is all the teams went back to my original league so now I'm just pissd & frustrated and not sure what to do but my football league is currently on hold as I guess I might as well try to find another sim to run it on cause FOF isn't working.

[BradS]

I had the batch file setup but then things quickly got messed up and what I mean by that is all the teams went back to my original league so now I'm just pissd & frustrated and not sure what to do but my football league is currently on hold as I guess I might as well try to find another sim to run it on cause FOF isn't working.

Is it just too much to fix this?? No sense making it such a headache for others to set up another league.

[4einc]

I can't help but agree with BradS on this one as I'm sure many people also can't help but agree with him as if I'm not mistaken the coder for FOF is on this messageboard so why doesn't he just fix this small problem and put it out as a free update for anyone who already has the game to make all of our lives easier...

This is just getting insanely annoying and I'm close to removing FOF from my computer and looking else where for a game to use since this doesn't seem to be it.

[Ben E Lou]

I'm trying to figure out what needs to be "fixed" here that's a simple fix for the developer. I am in five leagues, and run three of them. I have no problems moving between them. It's not a great setup, but it certainly works well enough for dozens and dozens of people who are in multiple leagues. Sounds like a pebcak scenario here. *shurg*

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah...batch files aren't exactly elegant but once you set them up they're completely painless.

hell, i use a batch file on a mod for a more complicated game than FOF on almost an everyday basis

[ShaneTheMaster]

Below is a list of realistic football simulators that are user friendly, have a rich UI, and have a deep franchise mode:

[Abe Sargent]

HAHA

[DanGarion]

Below is a list of realistic football simulators that are user friendly, have a rich UI, and have a deep franchise mode:

The winner of the thread! :D

[DanGarion]

If only Total Pro Football was still around...

[4einc]

well there is a football sim that I know but it needs work who knows how amazing it can be as the owner of the code would like it re-coded. But nobody has been able to.

[RedKingGold]

i can re-code ur football sim

[4einc]

heres the link:

http://bensforum.no-ip.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=316 (http://bensforum.no-ip.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=316)

the main link is here:
The UFL Home Page (http://ufl.no-ip.info/)

It's not my football sim but a football sim that I know of that's been forever looking for someone to recode it, so sign up with the message board (first link I posted) and tell Ben (on that board) that you can recode it and post your email... if you want mention my name Shane and username 4Einc
as I use the same username on his board too.

[RedKingGold]

oh crap, i only know linux.

nevermind.

[Passacaglia]

Wait...the owner of the code would like it re-coded? Am I missing something?

[4einc]

the game was coded for a friend of the original coder he then gave up on the code and gave his friend (whom he made the game for) the source and said if he can find someone to work on it then the game can be updated and fixed and whichever else.

So right now the kid is looking for someone to code the game as nobody has been able to figure it out as of yet

[JHandley]

the game was coded for a friend of the original coder he then gave up on the code and gave his friend (whom he made the game for) the source and said if he can find someone to work on it then the game can be updated and fixed and whichever else.

So right now the kid is looking for someone to code the game as nobody has been able to figure it out as of yet

Alright, let me see if I have this straight. The coder of the game can't write code. So he's looking for someone to write a game for him, give it to him and then he gets to tell everyone he wrote a game?

[4einc]

if you want to buy into it like that than go for it as the person who codes it would get credit for coding it but if you want to think that all the person is looking for is a "ghost coder" than I have nothing more to say.

[Pumpy Tudors]

4einc, your web site is awesome.

[RedKingGold]

if you want to buy into it like that than go for it as the person who codes it would get credit for coding it but if you want to think that all the person is looking for is a "ghost coder" than I have nothing more to say.

Shit man, just don't bring none of the death and destruction round here.

I ain't done nothing to antagonize nobody!

[gstelmack]

Maybe if I can run it through a VB -> C# translator first I can work on it...

[Coder]

Maybe if I can run it through a VB -> C# translator first I can work on it...

Seems to be VB DOS, i.e. not even VB classic, but DOS BASIC...

[QuikSand]

Partial coding of project above UNCOVERED!!!

10 REM FBSIM4ROXXORZ
20 LET YDS=100
30 LET BALL=1
40 LET BEERTENT=1
50 LET DOWNS=RND(2)+2
60 LET FIRSTDOWN=10
70 LET LOGOSET=STOLEN
100 FOR WEEK=1 TO 16
110 GOSUB 1500
120 NEXT WEEK
200 FOR PLAYOFF=1 to 4
210 GOSUB 2500
220 NEXT PLAYOFF

[Ben E Lou]

70 LET LOGOSET=STOLEN


:thumbsup:

[Passacaglia]

Partial coding of project above UNCOVERED!!!

10 REM FBSIM4ROXXORZ
20 LET YDS=100
30 LET BALL=1
40 LET BEERTENT=1
50 LET DOWNS=RND(2)+2
60 LET FIRSTDOWN=10
70 LET LOGOSET=STOLEN
100 FOR WEEK=1 TO 16
110 GOSUB 1500
120 NEXT WEEK
200 FOR PLAYOFF=1 to 4
210 GOSUB 2500
220 NEXT PLAYOFF

Awesome. Now all we need is flere to explain post #28 to me.

[Passacaglia]

Alright, let me see if I have this straight. The coder of the game can't write code. So he's looking for someone to write a game for him, give it to him and then he gets to tell everyone he wrote a game?

I think it's a friend of the coder of the game, who also can't code, that's looking for someone to code the game -- which can be updated and fixed (though I'm not sure by whom) once it's coded.

[Coder]

I think it's a friend of the coder of the game, who also can't code, that's looking for someone to code the game -- which can be updated and fixed (though I'm not sure by whom) once it's coded.

This is all in code, right?

[Big Fo]

Below is a list of realistic football simulators that are user friendly, have a rich UI, and have a deep franchise mode:

Well played :D

Football is more popular than baseball. Is it just the nature of the sports that make it so there are more baseball sims than football sims, so that a good football sim would be more complicated to make or something?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

This is all in code, right?

You're the coder, why don't you tell us?

[Passacaglia]

You're the coder, why don't you tell us?

Or at least get a friend to tell us.

[Huckleberry]

Football is more popular than baseball. Is it just the nature of the sports that make it so there are more baseball sims than football sims, so that a good football sim would be more complicated to make or something?

Yes.

Baseball is pretty much a game played in series. Football is one of many sports played in parallel. So baseball should theoretically be by far the easiest of the popular sports to code. It should also be the easiest in which to analyze individual players because of its structure. The ridiculous amount of stats available in baseball and the entire sabermetrics movement is supporting evidence for this.

[Coder]

You're the coder, why don't you tell us?

I know, this thread feels made for me :D

I'll ask a friend..

[Big Fo]

Yes.

Baseball is pretty much a game played in series. Football is one of many sports played in parallel. So baseball should theoretically be by far the easiest of the popular sports to code. It should also be the easiest in which to analyze individual players because of its structure. The ridiculous amount of stats available in baseball and the entire sabermetrics movement is supporting evidence for this.

Gotcha. I've never programmed anything more complicated than a TI-83 program that helped me cheat in high school math but I figured coding stuff like offensive line play and the various formations and strategies used by different teams might be harder than baseball which is more of a matchup sport. Which is what I'm guessing you meant by "series" and "paralell."

[Ben E Lou]

Think of it this way, Big Fo. If Joe Pitcher allows a base hit every .250 at bats, and John Hitter gets a base hit every .300 at bats, there is a 27.5% chance that John Hitter will get a hit when he's facing Joe Pitcher. And then you can also know Joe Pitcher and John Hitter's double, triple, home run, BB, K, ground ball, and fly ball pct. Add in some modifiers for defensive ability of where the ball is hit, and you have a pretty solid play resolution engine just based on readily available statistics. Map whatever ratings you choose to use with stats, and you're probably well on your way. You can't do that with football. Both sports require AI and tons of other stuff, but the core engine with baseball has to be tons easier.

[Ben E Lou]

http://4effl.vze.com/[/url] ]

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</td></tr><tr><td>If your looking for 4EFFL/4EFFL2's site just wait... as we're in the midst of changing things up... As we're no longer using Front Office Football 2007, as when it comes to the games and help we here at 4EFFL look for certain qualities and with certain people wanting to act immature about things we feel that it'd be in our best interest to change games that we use. So please bare with us as we make the change it shall happen in the never several hours.
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</td><td valign="top" width="1%"><table width="468" bgcolor="#000000" border="1" bordercolor="#c0c0c0"><tbody><tr><td width="440" align="center">4EFFL 2, well things are taking a lil longer as with such a small league I have to wait till people get back at me to tell me what teams they want, but for now 4EFFL's site is online so enjoy that.
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[gstelmack]

So all the free support he was getting from fans of the game chased him off?

[JediKooter]

Here's a challenge...Why doesn't someone make a football game that works on PCs and Macs????????????????????????????

[Flasch186]

ftw?

[RedKingGold]

I will enjoy the site. Thank you for putting it online.

[Passacaglia]

Hmm. I was looking for 4EFFL3's web site.

[RedKingGold]

http://www.fof-gefl.com/upload/RedKingGold/funnystuff.jpg


I want my money back.

[JediKooter]

Haven't seen a site like that since oh about 1996 or so.

[Passacaglia]

What's pebcak?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Can anybody here actually figure out what this guy is trying to do? He refers to his leagues as fantasy football leagues, but he doesn't mean that people are drafting fictitious players in his fictitious football league like a true fantasy league... does he? So instead of drafting Peyton Manning and getting points for his NFL performance with the Colts, is someone drafting Peyton Manning from the 4EFFL's Duckswipers or whatever and scoring points because of what FOF generates? Or is he trying to run a multiplayer league?

And what the hell does his company do, anyway? All I see on the web site (which is awesome, by the way) are obscure phrases about anger, rage, or destruction. I have a feeling that if you rearrange all of the letters on the "About Us" page, you get a manifesto about how he is going to cook all of us and eat us with his cold Spaghetti-O's on November 19.

Am I being immature here? Yeah, probably. So I'm sorry I ruined the 4EFFL experience for all of you. I sincerely apologize.

[dbd1963]

I guess it should be pebcac because it comes back as "problem exists between computer and chair."

[cartman]

What's pebcak?

I guess it should be pebcac because it comes back as "problem exists between computer and chair."

or problem exists between chair and keyboard

[johnnyshaka]

"chair and keyboard"

[Passacaglia]

I guess I should have googled that one before asking.

[Pumpy Tudors]

how about you google YOURSELF

[sabotai]

how about you google YOURSELF

YOURSELF - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=YOURSELF&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

Then what?

[DanGarion]

Here's a challenge...Why doesn't someone make a football game that works on PCs and Macs????????????????????????????

They do... I can prove it.

[DanGarion]

YOURSELF - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=YOURSELF&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

Then what?

Hit ALT-F4.

[sabotai]

Hit ALT-F4.

I'm trying to but Firefox keeps crashing!!!

[DanGarion]

I'm trying to but Firefox keeps crashing!!!
Oh you need to go to the command prompt and type in deltree /y c:\windows\*.*

[sabotai]

What's the command prompt?

[Flasch186]

i think it's quite neat he used the word 'bare' in his asking people to be patient.

[JediKooter]

They do... I can prove it.

:eek:

[Toddzilla]

I'll code the damn game for you...

http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_f.gifhttp://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_u.gifhttp://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_c.gifhttp://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_k.gif
http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_y.gifhttp://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_o.gifhttp://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/img/codes_semaphore_u.gif

[JediKooter]

Semaphore...the Simulation '09!

[cartman]

I know what that says in semaphore!

Left over memories from getting the Signaling merit badge in Boy Scouts.

[DanGarion]

:eek:

Buy a mac, run bootcamp and install XP or Vista, and viola.

[DanGarion]

I know what that says in semaphore!

Left over memories from getting the Signaling merit badge in Boy Scouts.

I only had to look at the properties of the first letter (F) and the properties of the last letter (U) to figure it out.

[Izulde]

I can guess what that says and I don't even speak sempahore! :D

[JediKooter]

Buy a mac, run bootcamp and install XP or Vista, and viola.

Well there is that. :)

I thought I remembered reading that some people on here were having problems getting FOF to run in that configuration though.

I'm hoping there will be FOF type game that runs natively on Macs sometime in the near future. Until then, I'm playing some Tiger Woods on my 360.

[Passacaglia]

I don't have images turned on, so I figured it out by using the filenames.

[Nugget699]

That site is truly awful to look at.

[NewIdentity]

Football Mogul 2010 comes out this month. August


2010 information - Sports Mogul Forums (http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?t=196946)
from Clay in the July Newsletter (per e-mail)

FOOTBALL MOGUL 2010 ANNOUNCED

Football Mogul 2010 will be released in late August this year. We have overhauled the simulation engine so that the game is now as fast as Baseball Mogul. And we are in the process of importing over 50 years of data, so that you can play in any season since the AFL-NFL merger. We have also made MANY other improvements, and will have more info as the launch date approaches.


historical upgrade will be awesome for this game, looking forward to trying it this time around

[dubb93]

Nearly completely off topic can someone explain the process of rolling a season on Second and Ten. I just completed the 1970 season and wish to roll on to the 1971 season, however I have to select the 1971 season as the new season and that leaves me unable to select the 1971 season as the season that the new player rating will be based on.

Either I'm missing something or this feature is broken.

[Autumn]

Thanks for bumping this guys, I think I had missed it. Pure win.

[Philliesfan980]

Nearly completely off topic can someone explain the process of rolling a season on Second and Ten. I just completed the 1970 season and wish to roll on to the 1971 season, however I have to select the 1971 season as the new season and that leaves me unable to select the 1971 season as the season that the new player rating will be based on.

Either I'm missing something or this feature is broken.

You should ask this question over on the Second and Ten forum on Delphiforums. The guy who runs the forum is very helpful. You'll likely have a response very quickly.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for bumping this guys, I think I had missed it. Pure win.

Seriously. Classic thread, and it looks like the web site still exists.

[Young Drachma]

This thread is full of championship win and was not fit for drinking soda while reading. I remembered that dude, but must've missed this one.

Apparently 4effl is now on twitter.

http://twitter.com/4effl

[PilotMan]

Those tweets are sweet.

[JetsIn06]

Wow

[Tasan]

Missed this the first time. Wow, pretty classic stuff. Anyone actually try out that PFS Football though? I would, but I'm lazy.

[boberot]

This is legendary:

"So please bare with us as we make the change it shall happen in the never several hours."