OT: HATTRICK Hell

[-Panther]

Ok, I've used mybestteam's site to get an idea of what kind of
team I have. How bad/good is this for the initial team I was
given?

Lineup strength
Overall:30.98%
Left Defence:31.4%
Central Defence:32.19%
Right Defence:29.17%

Lineup strength
Midfield:23.25%
Left Attack:32.61%
Central Attack:36.99%
Right Attack:31.74%

Note: I haven't sold/cut/aquired any new players. These are the
guys I was dealt. I'd post my players but I want to suprise
dacman (same division) lol I did get a passable coach though.

[bbor]

what is the url for mybestteam again?

[-Panther]

Originally posted by bbor
what is the url for mybestteam again?

Here ya go:

My Best Team (http://www.mybestteam.tk/)

[bbor]

Thx P

Goodluck in hell...i'll meet you at the bar :)

[HornedFrog Purple]

I havent used mybestteam in a couple of months but this is what it spat out for me:

4-5-1

Lineup strength
Overall:35.67%
Left Defence:34.68%
Central Defence:36.97%
Right Defence:38.77%
Lineup strength
Midfield:44.66%
Left Attack:45.06%
Central Attack:21.68%
Right Attack:24.74%

3-5-2

Lineup strength
Overall:36.76%
Left Defence:38.51%
Central Defence:30.24%
Right Defence:26.14%
Lineup strength
Midfield:45.03%
Left Attack:42.6%
Central Attack:37.55%
Right Attack:45.26%

When I first started, I had nothing over 30% except my central defense heh.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by bbor
Thx P

Goodluck in hell...i'll meet you at the bar :)

I'll save you a seat

[sterlingice]

Hmm... I'll check mine now. I haven't used mybestteam in a while.

Lineup strength (Using my offensive 3-5-2)
Overall:38.55%
Left Defence:27.62%
Central Defence:31.25%
Right Defence:40.39%
Midfield:48.77%
Left Attack:42.61%
Central Attack:39.67%
Right Attack:47.96%

Something I was toying around with that I might play in my cup game against the dead team (that maximizes midfield)
Overall:37.11%
Left Defence:27.62%
Central Defence:31.25%
Right Defence:40.39%
Midfield:54.76%
Left Attack:22.03%
Central Attack:39.67%
Right Attack:47.98%

SI

[dacman]

Lineup strength
Overall:38.12%
Left Defence:30.47%
Central Defence:34.29%
Right Defence:42.59%
Midfield:44.51%
Left Attack:41.23%
Central Attack:38.2%
Right Attack:39.21%

You think you can compete with me!?!?!? You got your work cut out for ya, buddy.

[mckerney]

Overall:34.58%
Left Defence:37.57%
Central Defence:39.52%
Right Defence:37.24%
Midfield:24.87%
Left Attack:31.37%
Central Attack:31.01%
Right Attack:35.85%


Not a bad way to start out ( or at least that's what I'm hoping) but I got a good base of young guys I plan on building off of. Plus I was able to pull in more than 4 times what I was hoping in auctioning off a guy who was my 3rd guy on the depth chart @ central defense, netting a cool $120k.

[Vince]

Hmmm...my best team not working for me. If I remember correctly, though, my team was around 28-34% at all places when I got it, and I think I might be close to 40% in a couple categories now (3 weeks and $300,000 later). Still haven't won a game :( But last week, we tied the Scranton Slime in a friendly :)

[GoldenEagle]

I posted 39% all the way across th board for the most part. D4 here I come!

[mrushh]

Looking at all your team numbers and looking at my team numbers, I have but one response...

Hello, Consolation Bracket, FOFC Cup III

[MylesKnight]

Why am I not able to pull up the link you gave Panther? I get timed out over and over again..

This is the site address right?? http://www.mybestteam.tk/

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by MylesKnight
Why am I not able to pull up the link you gave Panther? I get timed out over and over again..

This is the site address right?? http://www.mybestteam.tk/

Hey Myles, I get timed out too. Now it's even telling me that the host couldn't be found, so it's not only you...

FrogMan

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
I posted 39% all the way across th board for the most part. D4 here I come!

Dude, you just got your team, have never played a league game, have bought three players on the transfer market and yet you are getting 39% accross the board? WOW! Dont want to knock on youm, but if that's truly the case, you got really lucky and the Hattrick Gods gave you a good team :)

Can't access the site right now, but from what I can remember from my Hattrick startup, I was getting rates similar to what Vince was getting at around 28-33%. Don'T have a clue what it is right now...

FrogMan

[GoldenEagle]

I bought two passable keepers last night. One 19 and One 22. Ill post the ratings later.

[-Panther]

If it's still not loading, my guess is something's going on with the server side of it. It loaded fine yesterday for me but I can't get it to load today.

That's the correct link but It's either down for maintenance (an no info page) or something's wrong with thier server.

[GoldenEagle]

The site needs to get back up. I need to check out my team as the last time I did I didnt have my best midfielder in there or my keepers. Hopefully I can push into the 42% range.

[FrogMan]

Hey, for everyone, me included, that couldn't go to MyBestTeam, here's another link to it that I got from the Global conference...

MyBestTeam (http://www.mycgiserver.com/servlet/groton.stayaway.MyBestTeam)

It's working for me now. Here are my ratings:

Lineup strength (standard 4-4-2)
Overall:35.61%
Left Defence:38.12%
Central Defence:37.36%
Right Defence:36.04%
Midfield:32.45%
Left Attack:34.77%
Central Attack:32.67%
Right Attack:35.99%

Not too impressive, I'm kinda surprised about that. Now with my regular 4-5-1, both wingers on offensive...

Lineup strength
Overall:34.64%
Left Defence:38.13%
Central Defence:37.36%
Right Defence:35.51%
Midfield:42.38%
Left Attack:39.7%
Central Attack:18.14%
Right Attack:26.39%

Oh well... I don't always agree with their player selection, which makes it all the fun to try and set up your lineup yourself... :)

FrogMan

[cthomer5000]

wow, totally useful site! I'm glad to see I at least partly know what I'm doing, I had 8 of 10 fielders in the same position they think I should have.


quick question: When does the hattrick week start/end? Does it start with the league game, or is the league game the last thing each week?

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
quick question: When does the hattrick week start/end? Does it start with the league game, or is the league game the last thing each week?

I would think it starts with the weekly update that happens in the night from Saturday to Sunday. This would mean that the league game is the first thing to happen in the week.

That would make sense, since when you wanna know who will be trainable, you look at the last game played by every players and we always consider the weekly friendly to be the last game of the week... Hope I make sense :)

FrogMan

[illinifan999]

Let's see when I started out I was in the 19%-25%, and my overall strength was 32%. Lucky people. :)

[Qwikshot]

Plain vanilla 4-4-2

Lineup strength
Overall:40.48%
Left Defence:40.97%
Central Defence:42.31%
Right Defence:40.87%
Midfield:40.12%
Left Attack:38.49%
Central Attack:37.01%
Right Attack:41.69%

3-5-2

Lineup strength
Overall:38.03%
Left Defence:40.87%
Central Defence:32.9%
Right Defence:27.78%
Midfield:51.21% [nice]
Left Attack:41.7%
Central Attack:37.78%
Right Attack:38.81%

4-3-3
Lineup strength
Overall:39.54%
Left Defence:41.0%
Central Defence:41.98%
Right Defence:40.32%
Midfield:23.36% [trouble]
Left Attack:37.89%
Central Attack:50.65% [wow]
Right Attack:41.13%

[daedalus]

Outstanding! Thanks for the link, Froggie!

With their recommended lineup (and ignoring form), I get:

Lineup strength
Overall:42.19%
Left Defence:32.53%
Central Defence:38.43%
Right Defence:45.52%
Midfield:56.29%
Left Attack:44.82%
Central Attack:37.85%
Right Attack:43.01%

With the lineup I'm probably going to end up with, I get:

Lineup strength
Overall:37.85%
Left Defence:31.11%
Central Defence:32.58%
Right Defence:36.79%
Midfield:50.36%
Left Attack:40.55%
Central Attack:35.71%
Right Attack:43.33%

It went lower mainly because I removed the players I intend to sell next week. Fairly acceptable, however. The low defense is somewhat of a concern.

[daedalus]

Low midfield ratings with 4-3-3 is to be expected, though, Q. Numbers looked pretty darn solid with a 3-5-2, though.

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by daedalus
Low midfield ratings with 4-3-3 is to be expected, though, Q. Numbers looked pretty darn solid with a 3-5-2, though.

It's good to know that I spent my money on capable players...I hope.

[BishopMVP]

Assymettrical 3-5-2 (What I run)
Lineup strength
Overall:35.05%
Left Defence:27.35%
Central Defence:33.24%
Right Defence:36.19%
Midfield:39.36%
Left Attack:36.68%
Central Attack:37.36%
Right Attack:38.08%

4-4-2
Lineup strength
Overall:36.65%
Left Defence:38.02%
Central Defence:38.49%
Right Defence:36.72%
Midfield:30.02%
Left Attack:37.8%
Central Attack:36.56%
Right Attack:38.09%

[Vince]

Ok, got it to work now :)

3-5-2:
Overall: 36.2%
Left D: 27.66%
Central D: 31.38%
Right D: 33.86%
Midfield: 48.05% :D
Left Attack: 40.22%
Central Attack: 39.51%
Right Attack: 38.4%

4-4-2:
Overall: 36.86%
Left D: 36.56%
Central D: 35.7%
Right D: 33.86%
Midfield: 36.88%
Left Attack: 40.82%
Central Attack: 38.37%
Right Attack: 38.09%

With a 4-3-3, my Central Attack breaks 50%, and midfield stays around 34%...I might have to try that one of these days.

[daedalus]

Very nice! Are you playing symmetrical or asymmetrical 3-5-2? I'd be a tad worried about the 27.66 on the defensive left-side.

[Vince]

Well, I usually play asymmetrical (I think...one C. Defender as Inner Mid), but those ratings are with a symmetrical 3-5-2 (one Wing Back as Inner Mid). I've got one Solid defender (the only C. Defender in asymmetrical), and two Passable defenders, one a Passable winger and the other an inadequate winger. I want to pick up one more solid defender for my backfield, but not sure if I have the money to spare (I'd go into debt for the first time. Not a big deal, but I'm already losing 20k a week without a home game). It's either buy a defender or upgrade my stadium...I think both will cost about the same. Still unsure which I should do.

EDIT: The reason I post a Symmetrical is because I not only have a better rating that way, but I am also facing a team that runs a 4-3-3 next week, and they ALWAYS attack on the same side. This way I beef up that side's D (Right Side, IIRC).

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by Vince
Well, I usually play asymmetrical (I think...one C. Defender as Inner Mid), but those ratings are with a symmetrical 3-5-2 (one Wing Back as Inner Mid). I've got one Solid defender (the only C. Defender in asymmetrical), and two Passable defenders, one a Passable winger and the other an inadequate winger. I want to pick up one more solid defender for my backfield, but not sure if I have the money to spare (I'd go into debt for the first time. Not a big deal, but I'm already losing 20k a week without a home game). It's either buy a defender or upgrade my stadium...I think both will cost about the same. Still unsure which I should do.

EDIT: The reason I post a Symmetrical is because I not only have a better rating that way, but I am also facing a team that runs a 4-3-3 next week, and they ALWAYS attack on the same side. This way I beef up that side's D (Right Side, IIRC).

Taken from the ABC of Tactics

3-5-2, symmetric/asymmetric defence
General: Symmetric: a central defender moved into midfield. Asymmetric: a wing defender moved into midfield. This is Hattrick's most common formation for a good reason, with its offensive/defensive balance and strong emphasis on midfield. It also lets the manager vary the attack and defence greatly.
Strengths: Very strong midfield and strong attack
Weaknesses: 3 defenders are bound to leave a weak spot somewhere.
Best counter-tactic: Try to attack where the opponent is weak and try to balance your defence against the opposition's attack. Many 3-5-2 coaches play with a winger towards the middle, some are kind enough to always play the same wing into the middle ;). Finally: if you succeed in beating a 3-5-2 team in midfield, the game is practically won...

[Qwikshot]

With some manipulations on individual orders...guess what I got.

Lineup strength

Overall:36.21%
Left Defence:42.59%
Central Defence:34.45%
Right Defence:30.28%
Midfield:70.13% [WOW]
Left Attack:20.48%
Central Attack:33.61%
Right Attack:15.64% [hmmm]

I'm somewhat impressed and will try this formation out, next friendly to see what happens.

This one I like as well...

Lineup strength
Overall:39.12%

Left Defence:43.65%
Central Defence:37.28%
Right Defence:32.24%
Midfield:61.71% [nice]
Left Attack:47.19% [nice]
Central Attack:33.51%
Right Attack:16.04%

Cool...now I just need to remember the formation.

[FrogMan]

Hey Qwik, would it be too "top secret" for you to tell us what orders you used. For that 70% midfield, I'm guessing it's an asymmetrical 3-5-2 with both wingers "toward middle" and both central defenders "offensive".

The other one, I got no clue.

I't toying with my 4-5-1 to find some special orders too. Results of your experiments could help me ;)

FrogMan

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by FrogMan
Hey Qwik, would it be too "top secret" for you to tell us what orders you used. For that 70% midfield, I'm guessing it's an asymmetrical 3-5-2 with both wingers "toward middle" and both central defenders "offensive".

The other one, I got no clue.

I't toying with my 4-5-1 to find some special orders too. Results of your experiments could help me ;)

FrogMan

I want to see if it is successful first...I will say it is based of a symmetrical 3-5-2.

[daedalus]

Originally posted by FrogMan
Hey Qwik, would it be too "top secret" for you to tell us what orders you used. For that 70% midfield, I'm guessing it's an asymmetrical 3-5-2 with both wingers "toward middle" and both central defenders "offensive".

Your middle infielders playing offensively and your forwards playing defensively will most likely add to your midfield ratings as well at the expense of your defense and attack, respectively. The midfield numbers looks nice, though.

[FrogMan]

daedalus, I would tend to disagree on this one.

If what I read on ABC of Tactics (http://hem.passagen.se/hammervald/abc_of_tactics/abc_of_tactics_index.htm) (go to part 3, individual tactics), the only ways to increase your midfield would be to play your central defenders offensive, your wingers toward the middle, or you forwards defensive.

You were right about the forward, but playing your inner midfielder offensive would increase you central and wing attack, at least that's what the site says.

Since I'm skeptical by nature, I ran some test with MyBestTeam and from my vanilla 4-5-1, to one with only my two regular IM playing offensive, everything remained the same, except the three attack ratings that increased, a tiny little bit more so the central attack than the left and right attack. Neither the Midfield nor the defense ratings dropped.

One thing though. From the Tactics site, they say that playing IM offensice should increase the attack (which MBT showed) but they also say that it should decrease your defense ratings (all three) which makes sense, nothing comes without a price in Hattrick. This isn't reflected in my MyBestTeam tests...

FrogMan
PS: everybody really should read what's on that site, it's quite informative :)

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by FrogMan
daedalus, I would tend to disagree on this one.

If what I read on ABC of Tactics (http://hem.passagen.se/hammervald/abc_of_tactics/abc_of_tactics_index.htm) (go to part 3, individual tactics), the only ways to increase your midfield would be to play your central defenders offensive, your wingers toward the middle, or you forwards defensive.

You were right about the forward, but playing your inner midfielder offensive would increase you central and wing attack, at least that's what the site says.

Since I'm skeptical by nature, I ran some test with MyBestTeam and from my vanilla 4-5-1, to one with only my two regular IM playing offensive, everything remained the same, except the three attack ratings that increased, a tiny little bit more so the central attack than the left and right attack. Neither the Midfield nor the defense ratings dropped.

One thing though. From the Tactics site, they say that playing IM offensice should increase the attack (which MBT showed) but they also say that it should decrease your defense ratings (all three) which makes sense, nothing comes without a price in Hattrick. This isn't reflected in my MyBestTeam tests...

FrogMan
PS: everybody really should read what's on that site, it's quite informative :)

Frogman, only for you...I set one defender to offensive, the wingbacks are defensive, one wing is towards mid, one wing is offensive, one forward is defensive. Everything else was normal...keep in mind I have two passable mids with solid form, and one solid mid with solid form, which helps a lot...like I said, I doubt I'll use it much though save for friendlies till I see if it works...just judging from my division I will have to be creative.

[FrogMan]

:hiding the screen from onlookers:

Originally posted by Qwikshot
Frogman, only for you...I set one defender to offensive, the wingbacks are defensive, one wing is towards mid, one wing is offensive, one forward is defensive. Everything else was normal...keep in mind I have two passable mids with solid form, and one solid mid with solid form, which helps a lot...like I said, I doubt I'll use it much though save for friendlies till I see if it works...just judging from my division I will have to be creative.

Gee, thanks ;) I saw your div information from your dynasty. You look like a pretty inventive dude, I'm sure you'll surprise a few of them at some point in the near future :D

FrogMan

[daedalus]

Originally posted by FrogMan
You were right about the forward, but playing your inner midfielder offensive would increase you central and wing attack, at least that's what the site says.

Ahhh, it makes sense. I only remembered that playing an inner midfielder offensively would increase their playmaking (and stamina?) at the expense of their defense. I should have double-checked to make sure it was going toward attacks, rather than midfield. I be corrected. :)

[bbor]

4-5-1 UBER ALLES!!

[Brillig]

So here's a question - here are the projected match ratings for my next league match (at home)... the question is, should I MOTS and go for a win? Or am I completely outclassed?

Them:

Midfield: poor
Right Side Defence: solid
Central Defence: excellent
Left Side Defence: solid
Right Side Attack: solid
Central Attack: weak
Left Side Attack: excellent


Us:

Midfield: poor
Right Side Defence: passable
Central Defence: passable
Left Side Defence: passable
Right Side Attack: passable
Central Attack: passable
Left Side Attack: inadequate

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by Brillig
So here's a question - here are the projected match ratings for my next league match (at home)... the question is, should I MOTS and go for a win? Or am I completely outclassed?


What I know:
Their NSI: 50
Your NSI: 44

By this, you're close. Is this the expected top team in your league, or just one of them? Reason I ask is that if it's just one of them, then you'll find yourself trying to MOTS every league game and your team spirit will hit the bottom quite fast.

If it's the top team and you think you can PIC in your next cup game, then you could try and go for it. I might boost your ratings a few notch. Another thing that could give you a chance is if you are playing a defensice kind of strategy (like a 4-5-1 GO BBORS and PITTBULLS!!! :) or a 5-4-1)

FrogMan.

[bbor]

Froggy after we get knocked out of the cup we gotta have a 4-5-1 fest againt each other

[FrogMan]

you mean another one, right? Don't tell me you forgot the last time we met? snif, snif. You're hurting my feelings...

:D

FrogMan

[Brillig]

Originally posted by FrogMan
What I know:
Their NSI: 50
Your NSI: 44

By this, you're close. Is this the expected top team in your league, or just one of them? Reason I ask is that if it's just one of them, then you'll find yourself trying to MOTS every league game and your team spirit will hit the bottom quite fast.

If it's the top team and you think you can PIC in your next cup game, then you could try and go for it. I might boost your ratings a few notch. Another thing that could give you a chance is if you are playing a defensice kind of strategy (like a 4-5-1 GO BBORS and PITTBULLS!!! :) or a 5-4-1)

FrogMan.

This is currently the best team in my series - they run a 5-4-1, and generate their offensive with two very good offensive wingers. I've got reasonable experience in 4-5-1, so I could run that, but then I don't know that I'd generate enough offense to crack that shell... (the projected is from the evil 3-5-2 :) )

[bbor]

I member...you broke all my players

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by bbor
Froggy after we get knocked out of the cup we gotta have a 4-5-1 fest againt each other


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :D

SI

[Doug5984]

I would just like to let all the 4-5-1ers know that I am a new convert....I just set my team up to tun the 4-5-1 instead of the 4-4-2 in cup games....so the Lousiana Cyclones are now amoung the list of 4-5-1ers

[bbor]

Originally posted by Doug5984
I would just like to let all the 4-5-1ers know that I am a new convert....I just set my team up to tun the 4-5-1 instead of the 4-4-2 in cup games....so the Lousiana Cyclones are now amoung the list of 4-5-1ers

Welcome to the Dark...errrr...defensive side:)

[NevStar]

The 4-5-1 is good, the 4-5-1 is great.
We surrender our will, as of this date.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Offense wins chicks, defense wins games,
4-5-1 means win, 3-5-2 is lame.

Uberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Join us!

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Offense wins chicks, defense wins games,
4-5-1 means win, 3-5-2 is lame.

Uberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Join us!

Never (in best French accent).

Actually, I'll probably be experimenting with it...but only if my strikers get really good.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by NevStar
The 4-5-1 is good, the 4-5-1 is great.
We surrender our will, as of this date.

We all know how that ended up. You and your 4-5-1 brethren will be on Cletus's lawn with a shotgun pointed at you and only then will you see the error of you ways.

SI

[GoldenEagle]

I have two good strikers so I am going to continue with the 3-5-2.

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Offense wins chicks, defense wins games,
4-5-1 means win, 3-5-2 is lame.

Uberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Join us!

Okay, now everything is right in the universe. For a moment, I thought HornedFrog had jumped ship and switched to some other nonsense strategy :D

FrogMan

[GoldenEagle]

This mybestteam is confusing. The first time I did it, I had my lineup the way I did it in the cup game and posted close to 40% everywhere. Ever since Ive done that, it automatically picks players for me instead of letting me pick the players and im lower at like 36% in a 4-4-2 tatic. How do I customize it?

[Vince]

They changed it...now you have to pay to "lock" players in...basically you can't test out your own formation, you can only get what it throws at you.

Edit: You can change the tactics of players...just click the drop down menu under the player's name, like you would for match orders. This way you can change the formation it throws at you, you just can't do anything about putting specific players at specific positions.

[daedalus]

Ahhhhh, I was wondering why I couldn't lock players in. Thought I did something wrong with it. Blah.

[GoldenEagle]

Its all about the money now days.