Time to do some Killin'

[lungs]

Both of my dogs have been attacked by coyotes in the past week. One is currently in the vet hospital. I've put out a $50 bounty for every coyote that is hanging in my tree by the end of the weekend and have a group of hunters eager to pitch in.

Before anybody calls me irresponsible for letting my dogs get attacked, I won't disagree. I let my dogs run free as I live in the country. I understand the risks. But that doesn't mean I won't seek revenge on the fucking coyotes.

I'm out for blood now.

[molson]

I'm not sure you can technically seek "revenge" on an animal who will have no idea why you're killing it.

[lungs]

Well, I really don't give a shit.

[lighthousekeeper]

I've put out a $50 bounty for every coyote that is hanging in my tree by the end of the weekend and have a group of hunters eager to pitch in.
you have a tree growing out of your car?

[flere-imsaho]

Dude, you need to tell your dogs to cowboy up. :D

Or get bigger dogs.

Or a llama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_Llama#Effectiveness).

[cthomer5000]

That'll learn them coyotes

[Butter]

Get a bunch of ACME products, that seems to do the trick.

[Drake]

My state pays a $35 bounty on coyotes as a nuisance animal. I've shot a few (because they menace my knee-biter dogs and farm cats), but haven't ever collected a bounty.

[Mustang]

Vote Coyote

[Senator]

This will send a message screaming through the coyote community.

[Logan]

Make sure you get Jon Moxon, but leave Tweeter out of this.

[DeToxRox]

Remember to noose one of the coyotes on the closest tree to your house. Teach those motherfuckers a lesson about what happens when you get too close.

[cartman]

We've got some coyotes around here, but they have enough small game that they haven't bothered pets. More concerning, though, is the recent confirmed mountain lion sighting about a half mile from my house.

[JediKooter]

+1

[DaddyTorgo]

good luck lungs!

[Drake]

We've got some coyotes around here, but they have enough small game that they haven't bothered pets. More concerning, though, is the recent confirmed mountain lion sighting about a half mile from my house.

Yup. We don't have mountain lions, but I was really worried about coyotes right up until I started finding bobcat tracks up by my pond. I haven't seen that one yet, but the Dept. of Natural Resources guy who came out to my house to look at them confirmed it was a bobcat (pulling fish out of my pond, no less!).

Worse comes to worse, if I catch it, I can have it prosecuted for fishing without a license.

[RedKingGold]

My father was a coyote!

[lungs]

It wouldn't be so bad, and I'd just chalk it up to a dog getting his ass kicked by a coyote but the coyotes are becoming a nuisance around here and are losing their fear of humans. I've seen one come right up to our buildings where we house our cattle. They won't harm our large cattle, but the calves are another story.

Some of you may laugh at me thinking that I am sending a message to these varmints, but if we manage to pick a few off, they might be less apt to come into my territory. Gotta think like a dog and establish my dominance over my territory.

Now to fix the other part of the problem, does anybody have any experiences with wireless dog fences? An invisible fence is not really an option because I have waaaaay too much territory I'd need to cover. I want to maintain some freedom for my dogs, but not too much.

The injured dog is showing pretty amazing improvement. That's the worst the vets ever saw a dog get beaten up and survive. He may lose an eye, but he should pull through.

[Cringer]

Hunting for coyote is not fun unless you use a cannon, 12lb. cannon at least. Using a cannon would make hunting for anything fun though.

[sterlingice]

Get a bunch of ACME products, that seems to do the trick.

:D

SI

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

True men don't kill coyotes

/rhcp

[DanGarion]

Make sure you get Jon Moxon, but leave Tweeter out of this.

Hahahahaha

[DanGarion]

We've got some coyotes around here, but they have enough small game that they haven't bothered pets. More concerning, though, is the recent confirmed mountain lion sighting about a half mile from my house.

You sure they aren't cougars?

[JeffNights]

When we visit our Uncle property up north(Michigan), we bring our two dogs with us, let them run free and they love it of course. Coyotes are no joke, especially those who live around them and they ARE a threat to livestock and small animals. They are definately losing thier fear of humans, as my fiance' was walking our small beagle by a nice creek up there and a coyote charged in an attacked our little beagle, fortunately she also had our APBT with her as well.

That was the last time the coyote ever attacked anything.


Get a bigger dog. :)

[sterlingice]

I think cougar has run its course/jumped the shark/whatever

SI

[lungs]

Get a bigger dog. :)

My two dogs are only six months old :) They won't be huge by any means, but probably about the size of a coyote.

English setter/blue heeler/border collie mix FWIW

The one that is in the vet hospital acts more like an english setter while the other one that also got attacked acts more like a blue heeler. The blue heeler definitely came out better in the end.

[Dr. Sak]

Make sure you get Jon Moxon, but leave Tweeter out of this.

I don't want....your life.

[DaddyTorgo]

Now to fix the other part of the problem, does anybody have any experiences with wireless dog fences? An invisible fence is not really an option because I have waaaaay too much territory I'd need to cover. I want to maintain some freedom for my dogs, but not too much.

The injured dog is showing pretty amazing improvement. That's the worst the vets ever saw a dog get beaten up and survive. He may lose an eye, but he should pull through.

wireless dog fences? like using wifi?

:( for the pup maybe losing an eye

[Dr. Sak]

Invisible fences don't put out dog's eyes.

[lungs]

wireless dog fences? like using wifi?

:( for the pup maybe losing an eye

Yeah, I saw a product where you put a hub sort of thing in your house and a collar on your dog and it transmits a signal of some kind giving your dog a certain amount of range.

As opposed to the traditional invisible fence where they have bury a wire under the ground. It would cost me a fortune to get that done on the property I have.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, I saw a product where you put a hub sort of thing in your house and a collar on your dog and it transmits a signal of some kind giving your dog a certain amount of range.

As opposed to the traditional invisible fence where they have bury a wire under the ground. It would cost me a fortune to get that done on the property I have.

that's fucking rad. i want one of those!

[DaddyTorgo]

Reviews: Comparison Chart | DIY a Dog Fence Cheaper than Invisible Fence* (http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/)

Petsafe IF-300 Review | DIY a Dog Fence Cheaper than Invisible Fence* (http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-if300/) -- this is the one they say is their top pick. unfortunately you might find with wifi that the boundaries are too small - particularly on this one i guess...

[CU Tiger]

we had one, but it just didnt work for us.
our front yard is smaller than the back so with the "hub" in the house the dog either had little to no backyard or could still get in the road.

I put the underground fence in and it kicks ass.

I have 5.8 acres underground fenced and it took a weekend to do, did it myself and cost ~$600

[lungs]

I wonder if it's possible to use two different hubs to expand the range? 90 feet doesn't really do it for me. I might as well keep them tied up.

[path12]

Problem with any kind of fencing (hub or invisible) is that if the coyote gets in that range your dog is kind of cornered, isn't it?

[Autumn]

Some of you may laugh at me thinking that I am sending a message to these varmints, but if we manage to pick a few off, they might be less apt to come into my territory. Gotta think like a dog and establish my dominance over my territory.

Get out there start pissing then, dude.

[cartman]

Some of you may laugh at me thinking that I am sending a message to these varmints, but if we manage to pick a few off, they might be less apt to come into my territory. Gotta think like a dog and establish my dominance over my territory.

You can become a Cesar Milan for the coyote crowd!

[Subby]

Well if you kill a couple they are only going to get pissed and kill off the rest of your candy-assed pets.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

If you hadn't dumped the toxic waste on their land, they never would have been forced to attack your dogs in the first place.

[DaddyTorgo]

Problem with any kind of fencing (hub or invisible) is that if the coyote gets in that range your dog is kind of cornered, isn't it?

well that's why you make sure the house is within the range i suppose

[Mustang]

License to kill coyotes by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill coyotes at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a coyote. And a coyote will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - coyote Cong. So you have to fall back on superior firepower and superior intelligence. And that's all she wrote.

[lungs]

Problem with any kind of fencing (hub or invisible) is that if the coyote gets in that range your dog is kind of cornered, isn't it?

Not really for my situation anyway. The problem is my dogs entering the coyote's territory I'm guessing. They don't come up to my house during the day and my dogs are locked up at night.

If they did come up to the house during the day, the hunting would be much, much easier. Speaking of the hunt, I had a baby calf die today.... perfect bait. We're going to cut it open and put it out in the field. That ought to bring them in.

[Dr. Sak]

License to kill coyotes by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill coyotes at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a coyote. And a coyote will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - coyote Cong. So you have to fall back on superior firepower and superior intelligence. And that's all she wrote.

I smell coyote poon tang...and the only good coyote poon tang is dead coyote poon tang.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

So how are you going to get the electric collars onto the coyotes?

[RendeR]

SO you say they don't come near during the day and your dogs can't get out at night, so the dogs are going out into their territory during the day and getting their asses handed to them, in pieces apparently.

And this is the Coyotes fault?

You're living in an area where the indigenous predators are large and strong enough to take down medium size animals (calves, dogs etc) and you allow your animals to run loose, and...you are upset when the wilder, stronger, more ferocious animals win?

Of course they must be exterminated. makes perfect sense.

I'm sorry your dogs got hurt. I just got a dog and I understand what you must feel for them, but your plan of action leaves me despising you as a human being.

[CU Tiger]

SO you say they don't come near during the day and your dogs can't get out at night, so the dogs are going out into their territory during the day and getting their asses handed to them, in pieces apparently.

And this is the Coyotes fault?

You're living in an area where the indigenous predators are large and strong enough to take down medium size animals (calves, dogs etc) and you allow your animals to run loose, and...you are upset when the wilder, stronger, more ferocious animals win?

Of course they must be exterminated. makes perfect sense.

I'm sorry your dogs got hurt. I just got a dog and I understand what you must feel for them, but your plan of action leaves me despising you as a human being.


That all works ecologically until you realize the coyotes were introduced outside of their natural habitart where they have no natural predator. We kill them by the dozens and my grandads farm.

We had 4 on the proch pawing at the sliding glass door where my grandmother was on the other side....they declared war - we were just better armed.

[Drake]

Yup to CU. With a proper natural order, coyotes are actually a benefit (i.e., in appropriate numbers) because they take down the deer that are starving to death (because *they've* been allowed to overpopulate).

But when there are too many coyotes and they're hungry, they stop behaving like coyotes and start behaving more like packs of wild dogs.

[Kodos]

Well if you kill a couple they are only going to get pissed and kill off the rest of your candy-assed pets.

:lol:

[GrantDawg]

Yup to CU. With a proper natural order, coyotes are actually a benefit (i.e., in appropriate numbers) because they take down the deer that are starving to death (because *they've* been allowed to overpopulate).

But when there are too many coyotes and they're hungry, they stop behaving like coyotes and start behaving more like packs of wild dogs.


This. They are an animal in need of control. We need Coyote birth control! At least Coyote sex education classes. I thought we had a Democrat in the White House!

[lungs]

SO you say they don't come near during the day and your dogs can't get out at night, so the dogs are going out into their territory during the day and getting their asses handed to them, in pieces apparently.

And this is the Coyotes fault?

You're living in an area where the indigenous predators are large and strong enough to take down medium size animals (calves, dogs etc) and you allow your animals to run loose, and...you are upset when the wilder, stronger, more ferocious animals win?

Of course they must be exterminated. makes perfect sense.

I'm sorry your dogs got hurt. I just got a dog and I understand what you must feel for them, but your plan of action leaves me despising you as a human being.

The problem is that they are not indigenous. They've moved into this territory. You are correct that is was absolutely my dog's fault, but like others have said there are a lot more problems associated with coyotes.

Despise me all you want, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back. And it's not like we can just go into the woods in put the barrel of the gun to their heads and shoot. We didn't get anything last night. It's not just my dogs. I've got cattle to protect too. The deer population around my house has declined dramatically even over the past year. This isn't just about my dogs. It's about exterminating a nuisance animal.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

You own cattle?

Now that's cool.

[lungs]

You own cattle?

Now that's cool.

Yeah... Over 800

[ColtCrazy]

I'm almost certain this is the same logic we used to justify our attacks on various Indian tribes.

And I am not anti-hunting, but I see the effects of hunting predatory animals around my county. There are coyotes here, but they are fairly rare. As a result, the deer population has exploded. This has led to an increased number of vehicle accidents involving deer, some of which have been fatal.

Seems to me it would be easier to protect domesticated animals from coyote attacks so the coyotes will be around to keep deer and other foraging animal populations in check.

[BradS]

If you owned a couple of Pit Bulls who would have fared better? Not saying you should change breeds but wanted to know would a wolf or coyote get the better of any dog breed. Morbid curiosity you might say.

[Izulde]

Just round up the Cougars from the bars you been hanging out at. Sic 'em on the coyotes and you won't have no coyote trouble no more.

[CU Tiger]

I'm almost certain this is the same logic we used to justify our attacks on various Indian tribes.

People do not equal Animals

If you owned a couple of Pit Bulls who would have fared better? Not saying you should change breeds but wanted to know would a wolf or coyote get the better of any dog breed. Morbid curiosity you might say.

yotes almost never attack as a single.
People really need to research these animals tey are quite fascinating. They gang up and surround their prey and rush in waves.
IOW
1 Pit Bull > 1 Coyote
1 Pit Bull <<< 5 Coyotes.

And even when nnot hungry these predators attack and eat the throats out of any invading animal and leave them dead.

They are fun to hunt but you will never kill them in the same spot with thee same call/ setup they are brilliant animals

[Glengoyne]

Allright. I've got a couple of things. I just moved into town after about 12 years in the country.

We had dogs, and we had coyotes. I wasn't satisfied until we had a fence around our yard.

On your question about invisible fences. In town, our very large dog had no respect for the meager visible wooden fence. Read, he broke through it in the first half hour we left him home. That afternoon I went out and bought an invisible fence. I'd do some checking, as they can cover quite a bit of ground. I prefer it to what we used in the country which was a hot wire, the kind of thing used to keep horses from escaping from within their corals.

If you want to go the big dog option. I looked into big dogs, and found the Anatolian Shepherd interesting. One of the breeders had a picture of his livestock guardian dog on the front page of his site with a couple of dead wolves. The wolves had gotten onto the property the previous night. So they are a pretty serious animal.

I thought the livestock guardian dog was a good idea, as they pretty much protect their "flock". The "flock" in question can be just about anything, including your family.

Also, we had a coyote gun that we used to launch explosive rounds...really just noise makers ... in the general direction of the coyotes when they got close. That really ran them off.

[flere-imsaho]

The problem is that they are not indigenous.

Coyotes aren't indigenous to the upper midwest? Really?

And I was serious about the llama, by the way. Although the llama would probably be as much a threat to your dogs as the coyotes, unfortunately (due to their instinctive hatred of canines). Still, llamas are cool. :D

[lungs]

Coyotes aren't indigenous to the upper midwest? Really?

And I was serious about the llama, by the way. Although the llama would probably be as much a threat to your dogs as the coyotes, unfortunately (due to their instinctive hatred of canines). Still, llamas are cool. :D

I was going off what Wikipedia said that their original range was in the western part of North America, but they've extended that range due to humans basically facilitating that extension. So I guess the question is when are they considered indigenous? You could probably argue that either way.

I think the easier solution than having another mouth to feed in a llama would be to take care of my dogs better.

I've got my dog home now. He's tough as nails. Pretty slow right now, but on the road to recovery. One of his sinuses is pretty screwed up and I'm sure he won't be gaining eyesight back in the one eye. But he's moving around fairly well, albeit a little slowly, and eating and drinking well. I'm over $2000 in bills now, which luckily I've been sitting on some extra money for a while now so the blow won't be as harsh.

The hunt was not successful. The first night, somebody decided to drive four wheelers right in our target area. The next night, nothing came out. I may have made it sound like some sort of slaughter of coyotes was about to take place, but it definitely ain't gonna be that easy. If it was, they wouldn't be around.

[flere-imsaho]

Glad to hear about the recovering doggie. :D

[GrantDawg]

I was going off what Wikipedia said that their original range was in the western part of North America, but they've extended that range due to humans basically facilitating that extension. So I guess the question is when are they considered indigenous? You could probably argue that either way.

I think the easier solution than having another mouth to feed in a llama would be to take care of my dogs better.

I've got my dog home now. He's tough as nails. Pretty slow right now, but on the road to recovery. One of his sinuses is pretty screwed up and I'm sure he won't be gaining eyesight back in the one eye. But he's moving around fairly well, albeit a little slowly, and eating and drinking well. I'm over $2000 in bills now, which luckily I've been sitting on some extra money for a while now so the blow won't be as harsh.

The hunt was not successful. The first night, somebody decided to drive four wheelers right in our target area. The next night, nothing came out. I may have made it sound like some sort of slaughter of coyotes was about to take place, but it definitely ain't gonna be that easy. If it was, they wouldn't be around.


Are you using bait other than meat? I have heard that you can use a recording of a rabbit in distress to draw them in. I've always wondered if that actually works.

[lungs]

Are you using bait other than meat? I have heard that you can use a recording of a rabbit in distress to draw them in. I've always wondered if that actually works.

Yup. We've got calls that make the sound of a rabbit in distress. That was the big issue Saturday night, nobody could agree how often to use them.

The problem with the meat we have out there is that it has the scent of human on it. Coyotes are very wary animals. The smell of the dead calf has to be enticing, but not enticing enough for them to ignore the smell of human that has handled the dead calf.

[Drake]

What does a rabbit in distress sound like?

And can I get that on one of those soothing relaxation CD's? It would beat the shit out of waterfalls.

[lungs]

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[lungs]

Well, dog from this thread's brother like was shot and killed this weekend. It was opening weekend of deer hunting here. My dogs are notorious deer chasers so I've had them locked up for a few weeks leading up to the hunt. Apparently they broke out of where I keep them by chewing open a screen and crawling through a little hole. Only one of them came back.

At least it wasn't the one I stuck all the money into. But those idiots couldn't have picked a worse day to break out and chase deer.

[Doug5984]

We have a lot of problems with Coyotes around my hunting land, they chase and kill our deer- and mess with the neighbors cattle. I've been trying to work on them for a while, without much luck.