Movie Sequels that need to die in a fire. [Archive]

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 07:59 AM

The Matrix Reloaded (2003) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/)
The Matrix Revolutions (2003) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242653/)

I think these movies are so unfairly maligned. This goes for the 2nd and 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean movies, too, and I think there are a lot of parallels.

Are they as good as the first: no. Both first movies were uniquely high quality movie experiences. Is the movie world better for them having been made? Yes. In one series (Matrix), you have to explain the unexplainable while in the other (Pirates), you have to expand a universe that is probably too small to expand. Unfortunately, due to sequel-itis, the sequels aren't edited nearly as well as the originals so the flow isn't quite right. And most importantly, for this argument, the pedigree was too difficult to live up to. Reloaded still has, to this day, the best action sequence in any move I've ever seen.

Highlander 2 and The Chronicles of Riddick

Riddick- I love what they tried to do. They had this schizophrenic vision of something part space opera, part gritty action movie and kindof failed on both accounts. But I love that the tried.

Highlander 2 was awful. I have nothing good to say about it.

SI

chesapeake

04-28-2009, 08:16 AM

When I saw Highlander 2 in the theater opening weekend, the person running the projector left out an entire section of the film somehow. No one complained.

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 08:33 AM

How was he to tell ;)

SI

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 08:54 AM

Kodos

04-28-2009, 08:58 AM

Indiana Jones 4, Terminator 3.

Coder

04-28-2009, 09:08 AM

Riddick- I love what they tried to do. They had this schizophrenic vision of something part space opera, part gritty action movie and kindof failed on both accounts. But I love that the tried.

Highlander 2 was awful. I have nothing good to say about it.

SI

First off.. I also kind of agree with you regarding Matrix.. they were stuck in a situation where, if they wanted to make sequels, they "had to" do something completely different than the original.. explaining what it was all about. The magnificience of the first movie was it's sort of veiled theme; in the sequels this couldn't be done.

Unfortunately, they suffered from having too much money and too high expectations.

For Riddick.. Pitch Black really didn't need a sequel.. it's an excellent small-budget horror/thriller that doesn't need an explanation or anything else.. Chronicles really has NOTHING to do with Pitch Black other than the main character's name...

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 09:10 AM

Indiana Jones 4, Terminator 3.

T3 I agree with wholeheartedly

Indiana Jones 4, I'm going to have to watch it again- I only saw it the once in theaters and I need to rewatch it.

SI

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 09:11 AM

Oh, duh.

Star Wars Episodes I-III.

While techniquely "prequels", they are still easily among the worst things ever.

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 09:12 AM

T3 I agree with wholeheartedly

I didn't really mind T3. I think I was in a pretty good mood that day. I really like how it ended. I didn't see that coming and thought it was great.

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 09:12 AM

Spider-Man 3.

X-Men 3.

Superman III and IV.

Kodos

04-28-2009, 09:16 AM

Oh, duh.

Star Wars Episodes I-III.

While techniquely "prequels", they are still easily among the worst things ever.

And how. Those movies need to be Eternal Sunshined.

Bad-example

04-28-2009, 09:17 AM

Malcolm X

Hated it but to be fair I never saw any of the first nine.

Fidatelo

04-28-2009, 09:17 AM

Spider-Man 3 never happened.

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 09:19 AM

And how. Those movies need to be Eternal Sunshined.

I would like that very, very much.

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 09:19 AM

For Riddick.. Pitch Black really didn't need a sequel.. it's an excellent small-budget horror/thriller that doesn't need an explanation or anything else.. Chronicles really has NOTHING to do with Pitch Black other than the main character's name...

Agreed. It could have been called Chronicles of Fist Rockbone (http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/mstnames.html)! (ok, not quite) and accomplished the same thing. It was a completely different beast than Pitch Black. One was a great sci-fi horror movie while the other was a space opera crossed with a gritty action movie- all completely different beasts and they didn't have any major continuity to keep them together- just some cameos from characters in the previous movie.

SI

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 09:23 AM

Spider-Man 3 never happened.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dlI9CgnSDOU/R3skXRDs4xI/AAAAAAAAAwE/9XmSX0Ngyjc/s320/spidey3bad1.jpg

larrymcg421

04-28-2009, 09:28 AM

Indiana Jones 4, Terminator 3.

But John Connor is due up in the bottom of the 9th.

gkb

04-28-2009, 09:29 AM

Aliens 3 & 4
Batman & Robin
Blair Witch 2

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 09:37 AM

Spider-Man 3.

X-Men 3.

Superman III and IV.

What is this, "pick trendy-to-hate-on sequels day"?

Ok, to be fair, they're all pretty bad, but I want to give a little more thought to them than just be overly dismissive because they're easy.

Frankly, the X-Men series in general never gel'd with me. I don't know what it was. They had some very cool moments but most X-Men stories worth telling are too long to be told in 2 hours or too complicated for the general movie-going audience. Not only that but the ensemble casts seemed to be disparate parts who never really felt like they fit together as a team. 3 was easily the worst but even 2 wasn't all that good.

Superman III and IV are like shooting fish in a barrel. But, the quintessential Superman movie has never been made. Even I and II have serious flaws. I really wanted Superman Returns to be it. It was note perfect for the first 45 minutes from the opening credits that were a 70s homage to the re-introduction of characters, especially Lex, to Superman catching the plane and landing it in the stadium. Then it fell downhill as they didn't quite know what to do with it. Lex just didn't quite seem right- he vascillated between an injured puppy and being Lex. They made Superman/Clark morally ambiguous, which is a cardinal sin- he's Superman, he has to be perfectly lawful good. It just fell apart.

Spider-Man 3. Easily worse than the first two but Spider-Man 1/2 were easily my two favorite comic book movies (Dark Knight now also resides in my top 3). How about a feeble defense for it?

I get what they were trying to do. On paper, you can see it- have a giant climactic battle where you turn the conflicted bad guy/best friend into an ally to face an even greater menace. But the execution is horrible- just too many characters and too many things going on that are only shallowly explained or elaborated on, even for an action movie.

SI

MikeVic

04-28-2009, 09:49 AM

I agree with a lot of the movies mentioned. Indy 4, X-Men 3 in general (although having Ellen Page in it was good), Spiderman 3... I'll even say Spiderman 2.

There was one scene that bugged the hell out of me, where the camera's viewpoint was from Doc Ock's arms... I don't know why, it just seemed weird to me (not the idea, but the execution). I liked Doc Ock though. I also hated that part where you can see Peter Parker as Spiderman on that train he just stopped, and everyone is carrying him. And then that kid says something like "don't worry, we won't tell anyone!" Barf. That part pretty much ruined the movie for me.

DataKing

04-28-2009, 09:54 AM

Every odd-numbered Star Trek sequel. With "The Final Frontier" as king-of-the-crap-hill Trek film.

Kodos

04-28-2009, 09:58 AM

Aliens 3 & 4

I love Alien 4.

gstelmack

04-28-2009, 10:00 AM

Indiana Jones 4, I'm going to have to watch it again- I only saw it the once in theaters and I need to rewatch it.

I don't get the hate for Indy 4. I think this comes from folks trying to stack it up against modern movies rather than the original 3. It fit right in with the other 3 Indy movies with the same campy action / comedy.

Highlander 2, on the other hand, didn't listen to itself. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! It's right there in the movie! It was a complete experience!

I believe that's where the Matrix movies fell down as well. It was a complete movie, deal with it, and they only made it worse by trying to explain the backstory which was absurd to begin with. Sure, there were some good action bits, but that's about it. The Rave scene drove the final nail in the coffin for me.

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 10:01 AM

What is this, "pick trendy-to-hate-on sequels day"?

Ok, to be fair, they're all pretty bad, but I want to give a little more thought to them than just be overly dismissive because they're easy.

Frankly, the X-Men series in general never gel'd with me. I don't know what it was. They had some very cool moments but most X-Men stories worth telling are too long to be told in 2 hours or too complicated for the general movie-going audience. Not only that but the ensemble casts seemed to be disparate parts who never really felt like they fit together as a team. 3 was easily the worst but even 2 wasn't all that good.

Superman III and IV are like shooting fish in a barrel. But, the quintessential Superman movie has never been made. Even I and II have serious flaws. I really wanted Superman Returns to be it. It was note perfect for the first 45 minutes from the opening credits that were a 70s homage to the re-introduction of characters, especially Lex, to Superman catching the plane and landing it in the stadium. Then it fell downhill as they didn't quite know what to do with it. Lex just didn't quite seem right- he vascillated between an injured puppy and being Lex. They made Superman/Clark morally ambiguous, which is a cardinal sin- he's Superman, he has to be perfectly lawful good. It just fell apart.

Spider-Man 3. Easily worse than the first two but Spider-Man 1/2 were easily my two favorite comic book movies (Dark Knight now also resides in my top 3). How about a feeble defense for it?

I get what they were trying to do. On paper, you can see it- have a giant climactic battle where you turn the conflicted bad guy/best friend into an ally to face an even greater menace. But the execution is horrible- just too many characters and too many things going on that are only shallowly explained or elaborated on, even for an action movie.

SI

No, this is a threat that asks people to identify shitty sequels, which is exactly what I've done, trendy or not.

The first X-Men movie was all right, not great, the second one was quite good, much better than the first, the third one was aboslutley attrocious. It killed the franchise. It was awful.

Superman II is one of the best sequels ever. It's one of the few sequels that if not better than, is at leat on par with the original (see, e.g., Aliens, Godfather II). Superman III and IV were ridiculous farces.

I thought Spider-Man II was pretty good. Sure, there is a bit of Sam Raimi madness in it, but it worked as opposed to how it completely failed in Spider-Man III. Like you said, they had some decent premises, but the execution was horrible. There was just way too much going on.

Draft Dodger

04-28-2009, 10:09 AM

Highlander 2 remains the worst movie I have ever seen in a theater. Ever.

Sorry, SI, those Matrix sequels are properly maligned. They are god awful films. Just abysmal. They complete sucked the life out of the series. Those movies are as awful as the first movie was great.

me too (to both items).

actually, I haven't been able to bring myself to see Matrix 3. Other than the car chase, #2 was an absolute drag.

DataKing

04-28-2009, 10:11 AM

My problem with the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies is with the writing. It seems to me that the 1st movie told a very interesting, "new" story, but the writers fell on their collective face after that. They painted themselves into a figurative corner in the 2nd movie (primarily with the conversation between Neo and the Architect at the end), but were never able to properly answer the questions that were asked.

Draft Dodger

04-28-2009, 10:12 AM

and yeah, I don't think we need those spoiler tags.

Fidatelo

04-28-2009, 10:21 AM

Spider-Man 3 was doomed to not be good when they decided to pack the entire black suit/Venom storyline into one movie. It always should have been two movies, with the first ending just like Amazing Spider-Man 300, with Spidey realising what the alien is doing to him, getting rid of it via the church bells, Eddie finding it and becoming Venom, and then the final scene is the scared MJ "Peter??" scene with the Venom shadow looming over her. Second movie is then a full-out Spidey vs Venom story.

That said, even with the all-in-one script, they didn't have to do so many retarded things to make the Good Peter/Bad Peter so lame (the hair and emo thing was about the worst bit of film making I've ever seen). That's what took the movie from a let-down straight into worst movie ever territory.

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 10:21 AM

No, this is a threat that asks people to identify shitty sequels, which is exactly what I've done, trendy or not.

The first X-Men movie was all right, not great, the second one was quite good, much better than the first, the third one was aboslutley attrocious. It killed the franchise. It was awful.

Superman II is one of the best sequels ever. It's one of the few sequels that if not better than, is at leat on par with the original (see, e.g., Aliens, Godfather II). Superman III and IV were ridiculous farces.

I thought Spider-Man II was pretty good. Sure, there is a bit of Sam Raimi madness in it, but it worked as opposed to how it completely failed in Spider-Man III. Like you said, they had some decent premises, but the execution was horrible. There was just way too much going on.

Sorry- my post needed a smiley. After re-reading it, it comes off overly harsh.

Again, I agree with most of your picks (Matrixes? Matrices? excluded) but I'm at least trying to throw some defense down on some of these that I think have been unfairly maligned. Maybe they're not up to par with their predecessors but still better than most of what gets put out on an average year.

Hell, I'd even take on the Star Wars prequels a little- tho I absolutely can't stand Episode 2, in particular. People talk about them like they're awful movies that are worse than anything ever made.

Here are the movies at the closest theater to where I live:
17 Again
Crank High Voltage
Duplicity
Earth
4 Fast 4 Furious!
Hannah Montana: The Movie
Knowing
Monsters vs. Aliens
Obsessed
State of Play

Can you say with confidence that any of those are better than Episode 1? Really? I know this is a bad movie time of year, but except for early summer and a couple of big hits at Christmas- this is what movies look like typically.

I just think that sequels have such high standards to live up to that people are invariably going to be disappointed. If the first was not good, why was a second made (there are some exceptions, I realize). I think there needs to be a distinction between let-down sequel and bad movie.

Oh, and T2 definitely belongs on the "best sequels" list

SI

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 11:12 AM

Sorry- my post needed a smiley. After re-reading it, it comes off overly harsh.

Again, I agree with most of your picks (Matrixes? Matrices? excluded) but I'm at least trying to throw some defense down on some of these that I think have been unfairly maligned. Maybe they're not up to par with their predecessors but still better than most of what gets put out on an average year.

Hell, I'd even take on the Star Wars prequels a little- tho I absolutely can't stand Episode 2, in particular. People talk about them like they're awful movies that are worse than anything ever made.

Here are the movies at the closest theater to where I live:
17 Again
Crank High Voltage
Duplicity
Earth
4 Fast 4 Furious!
Hannah Montana: The Movie
Knowing
Monsters vs. Aliens
Obsessed
State of Play

Can you say with confidence that any of those are better than Episode 1? Really? I know this is a bad movie time of year, but except for early summer and a couple of big hits at Christmas- this is what movies look like typically.

I just think that sequels have such high standards to live up to that people are invariably going to be disappointed. If the first was not good, why was a second made (there are some exceptions, I realize). I think there needs to be a distinction between let-down sequel and bad movie.

Oh, and T2 definitely belongs on the "best sequels" list

SI

I agree on T2. I really like that movie.

Yes, sequels are absolutely judged by higher standards (assuming the original movie(s) was/were good). The better the original the higher people's expectations are raised. That's what makes a discussion on bad "sequels" unique from a discussion on bad films.

For example, I did not see the original "Scooby Doo" or the sequel or any of the Flintstones movies, or any of the "Scary Movie" movies, and I assume all of the various sequels of those movies are worse than, say, "Alien 3", "X-Men 3", "Spider-Man III", "Star Wars: Episode I", either of the Matrix sequels, but no one cares because the original movies were complete garbage, so everyone just expected that the sequels would be garbage.

Sequels are not judged just on their individual merit, but rather are compared (rightly so) to the quality of their predecessors. This is what makes sequels so difficult to get right and why so many fail.

I hope you didn't go see any of those movies at your local theater. They are abysmal. Still, the fact that they are horrible films, doesn't make Star Wars: Episode I (or the Matrices sequels) any less attrocious.

JediKooter

04-28-2009, 11:25 AM

Weekend at Bernie's 2
Aliens 3 & 4
Bachelor Party 2
Dirty Dozen 2 (The Next Mission)
Any Police Academy movie after part 4

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 11:27 AM

I hope you didn't go see any of those movies at your local theater. They are abysmal. Still, the fact that they are horrible films, doesn't make Star Wars: Episode I (or the Matrices sequels) any less attrocious.

(I sadly have to admit that my wife and I saw Monsters vs Aliens... but it was in DC. And I had an AMC gift card and we don't have an AMC in Richmond. And it was in 3-D, which I'm a sucker for. As well as animated, also a sucker for. And we were looking for something low-impact to do in DC since she had just gotten over being sick and I was sick the week prior so we were still a little tired. *breaks down sobbing* ;) )

SI

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 11:31 AM

(I sadly have to admit that my wife and I saw Monsters vs Aliens... but it was in DC. And I had an AMC gift card and we don't have an AMC in Richmond. And it was in 3-D, which I'm a sucker for. As well as animated, also a sucker for. And we were looking for something low-impact to do in DC since she had just gotten over being sick and I was sick the week prior so we were still a little tired. *breaks down sobbing* ;) )

SI

You are forgiven. Go in peace. :)

Draft Dodger

04-28-2009, 11:32 AM

I'm not a big fan of the Star Wars prequels, but my kids prefer them to the originals.

Radii

04-28-2009, 11:51 AM

Rocky V

I don't see why the thread didn't just end right here really.

DanGarion

04-28-2009, 11:57 AM

When I saw Highlander 2 in the theater opening weekend, the person running the projector left out an entire section of the film somehow. No one complained.

Are you sure he actually left it out? I think that is the way the movie was...

miked

04-28-2009, 12:20 PM

The Crow 2

I win.

DataKing

04-28-2009, 12:25 PM

The Crow 2

I win.

Agreed.

sabotai

04-28-2009, 12:45 PM

Nightmare on Elm Street 2

They completely changed Freddie in that one! They went back to him killing kids in their dreams in the third one.

Mustang

04-28-2009, 12:52 PM

Halloween 3 - Season of the Witch. I watched this when I was 12 and remember thinking 'What the fuck does this have to do with anything before it?'

I actually might have said what the fuck...

larrymcg421

04-28-2009, 12:58 PM

Nightmare on Elm Street 2

They completely changed Freddie in that one! They went back to him killing kids in their dreams in the third one.

+1

I only liked the sequels that Wes Craven and Heather Langenkamp were involved in.

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 01:12 PM

Halloween 3 - Season of the Witch. I watched this when I was 12 and remember thinking 'What the fuck does this have to do with anything before it?'

I actually might have said what the fuck...

I pondered the same thing when I saw it at the age. I was very confused. That movie was just gross and stupid. The people's heads turning into custard and bugs was disgusting and dumb.

I saw that movie a lot when I was a kid, but probably haven't seen it in over 20+ years. No desire to.

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 01:25 PM

I knew this sounded familiar:

Worst Sequel of All Time - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=50125)
Movie sequels that should never have been - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=20378)

SI

stevew

04-28-2009, 01:27 PM

It was really intended to just be a thread bashing the decision to sequelize donny darko, and nothing more.

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 01:37 PM

It was really intended to just be a thread bashing the decision to sequelize donny darko, and nothing more.

Hrmm...

Perhaps the thread could have used a better title then, like... "Donnie Darko Sequel? WTF?!?!" or "OMG!! Donnie Darko Sequel?" or "How do you make a f*cking sequel of Donnie Darko?"

Something a little more definitive like that.

Bad-example

04-28-2009, 01:38 PM

It was really intended to just be a thread bashing the decision to sequelize donny darko, and nothing more.

Donnie Darko belongs in a "movies so terrible they didn't deserve a sequel" thread.

Honestly, that movie sucked balls.

BrianD

04-28-2009, 01:43 PM

Halloween 3 - Season of the Witch. I watched this when I was 12 and remember thinking 'What the fuck does this have to do with anything before it?'

I actually might have said what the fuck...

I was just going to mention this one. We rented the first 3 movies (which were the only ones out at the time) for a movie marathon. Imagine our disappointment when we got to number 3.

Drake

04-28-2009, 01:47 PM

The best thing about the Chronicles of Riddick was that it brought Alexa Davalos to my attention.

Alexa Davalos (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1111968/)

ntndeacon

04-28-2009, 01:58 PM

BTW the plural of Matrix----Matrices...

Also. this may not count as it isn't a sequal but a horrible re imagining of the original...
The Incredible Shrinking Woman

Which they plan on re do ing yet again with Eddie Murphy.

Thoe Original 1957 Sci Fi classic should be seen by all. Nothing funny in it. of course the same could be said for the Lily Tomlin movie and I imagine the same will be true with the Eddie Murphy Movie. those weren't funny either. Of Course they were TRYING to be.

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 01:58 PM

Donnie Darko belongs in a "movies so terrible they didn't deserve a sequel" thread.

Honestly, that movie sucked balls.

Word. It was like a whiny, angsty teen version of a mediocre Outer Limits episode.

SI

Karlifornia

04-28-2009, 02:21 PM

Word. It was like a whiny, angsty teen version of a mediocre Outer Limits episode.

SI

Well, there will always be whiny, angsty teens, so I suppose there inlies the reason it was made.

It's kind of like saying the Jonas Brothers shouldn't exist. Why shouldn't they? There's a market for them.

DataKing

04-28-2009, 02:22 PM

Oooh I've got one that hasn't been mentioned yet.

"Escape from LA" anyone?

path12

04-28-2009, 05:49 PM

Hot Bubble Asses #23 had little of the character development seen in the first 22. Plus the asses weren't that hot and frankly not that bubbly.

JediKooter

04-28-2009, 06:14 PM

Oooh I've got one that hasn't been mentioned yet.

"Escape from LA" anyone?

Good pick. The surfing scene was painful to watch.

Groundhog

04-28-2009, 06:23 PM

I think these movies are so unfairly maligned. This goes for the 2nd and 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean movies, too, and I think there are a lot of parallels.

Are they as good as the first: no. Both first movies were uniquely high quality movie experiences. Is the movie world better for them having been made? Yes. In one series (Matrix), you have to explain the unexplainable while in the other (Pirates), you have to expand a universe that is probably too small to expand. Unfortunately, due to sequel-itis, the sequels aren't edited nearly as well as the originals so the flow isn't quite right. And most importantly, for this argument, the pedigree was too difficult to live up to. Reloaded still has, to this day, the best action sequence in any move I've ever seen.

Completely disagree. I think the Matrix 1 is a very good movie. I'm not a fanboy or anything, I just think it's a solid idea, good story, great action scenes, and great ending.

Numbers 2 and 3 on the other hand, bad b-grade sci-fi plot, some absolutely TERRIBLE acting from some usually solid actors, and they managed to even affect how much I enjoy the first one. 2 is definitely better than 3, but to me they both sucked SERIOUS ass.

larrymcg421

04-28-2009, 06:49 PM

Reloaded has some great action scenes, but also some terrible dialogue and a bizaare soft core porn opening. Revolutions is a fucking mess without any positives.

sterlingice

04-28-2009, 06:58 PM

Yeah, the cheesy softcore scene in Reloaded never made any sense to me

SI

bulletsponge

04-28-2009, 08:33 PM

the new star trek movie coming out. im confident it will be star trek 90210 with a stereotypical badboy/rebel cpt Kirk. well this is my assumption just from the commercials ive seen

Honolulu_Blue

04-28-2009, 08:41 PM

the new star trek movie coming out. im confident it will be star trek 90210 with a stereotypical badboy/rebel cpt Kirk. well this is my assumption just from the commercials ive seen

I'm looking forward to it. I think it looks decent. It doesn't have to be that good to be better than most of the other Star Trek films.

Groundhog

04-28-2009, 09:17 PM

Early reviews are positive for both the new Star Trek and the Wolverine movie.

Crim

04-28-2009, 09:23 PM

Indiana Jones 4, Terminator 3.

Bullshit there have only been three Indiana Jones movies. And yes, I agree that Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls was not good.

Crim

04-28-2009, 09:25 PM

Spider-Man 3.

X-Men 3.

Superman III and IV.

Ouch. Hard to argue with those.

Crim

04-28-2009, 09:26 PM

Malcolm X

Hated it but to be fair I never saw any of the first nine.

laughed out loud

Crim

04-28-2009, 09:34 PM

I'm not a big fan of the Star Wars prequels, but my kids prefer them to the originals.

Yeah, so, I'm afraid we're gonna hafta get that dad card from you.

larrymcg421

04-28-2009, 09:46 PM

Speed 2 is an excellent choice. An action movie on a cruise ship? What were they thinking?

sabotai

04-28-2009, 09:55 PM

Bullshit there have only been three Indiana Jones movies.

Bullshit, there have only been two Indiana Jones movies!

stevew

04-28-2009, 10:34 PM

The last third of Indy 4 ruined what otherwise would have been an acceptable sequel. Or whenever Marion was reintroduced. Maybe that was more like half

ntndeacon

04-28-2009, 10:51 PM

Airplane 2

Bad-example

04-28-2009, 11:26 PM

Airplane 2

No.

chesapeake

04-29-2009, 10:31 AM

Are you sure he actually left it out? I think that is the way the movie was...

I can assure you that I never, ever saw the film again, so I cannot say anything for sure. And it was about 20 years ago. But the psychic wound from Highlander 2 still seeps.

Autumn

04-30-2009, 02:07 AM

Highlander 2 wins hands down. The rest are only interesting debate for 2nd place.

PraetorianX

04-30-2009, 03:28 AM

I think that if the Star Wars prequels had been made directly after the original trilogy, they'd be just as revered as the originals. But since it was 20 some years later, everybody considers them a letdown.

I think they were good, not great, but good. The only problem I had with them went by the name of Jar Jar Binks. The dialogue and acting and such however, is no worse than the originals (save for that abomination, of course)

cthomer5000

12-23-2009, 04:16 PM

I didn't really mind T3. I think I was in a pretty good mood that day. I really like how it ended. I didn't see that coming and thought it was great.

T3 was enjoyable, i'm with you man. It is the definition of a movie i find "surprisingly entertaining." I expected it to shit on the Terminator name, but in the end felt it did absolutely no harm even though it probably didn't add anything.

And i consider the first two Terminators probably among the 100 best movies ever

Young Drachma

12-23-2009, 07:47 PM

Up or down?

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Karlifornia

12-23-2009, 08:19 PM

It could be way worse, I suppose. Pass.

cthomer5000

12-23-2009, 09:43 PM

The Karate Kid ...set in China. Am I crazy or is there a giant red flag right there? Not to mention the "hey, im the son of famous people!" casting decision.

Young Drachma

12-23-2009, 10:07 PM

The Karate Kid ...set in China. Am I crazy or is there a giant red flag right there? Not to mention the "hey, im the son of famous people!" casting decision.

Not really a "famous kid" casting decision. More like, "my dad owns the production company that co-produced the movie." Maybe the same thought, but...I dunno, if Jaden Smith wasn't going to be in it, Overbook doesn't sign on to produce the movie and the movie isn't made.

cthomer5000

12-23-2009, 10:12 PM

if Jaden Smith wasn't going to be in it, Overbook doesn't sign on to produce the movie and the movie isn't made.

I'm not hearing a negative here.

Young Drachma

12-23-2009, 10:20 PM

I'm not hearing a negative here.

Yeah, I know. But no one cares if traditionalists like it. It's all about dollars, yo.

I think Jackie Chan + Will Smith connection = Will make it's money back on kids and people who'll go see it to complain.

weegeebored

12-24-2009, 10:00 AM

Oh, duh.

Star Wars Episodes I-III.

While techniquely "prequels", they are still easily among the worst things ever.An absolutely sickening way to complete the franchise. Lucas should have listened to SW fans and created the Thrawn Trilogy.

weegeebored

12-24-2009, 10:02 AM

The dialogue and acting and such however, is no worse than the originals (save for that abomination, of course)You must have completely purged Hayden Christensen's scenes from your memory.

Mustang

12-24-2009, 10:57 AM

The Karate Kid ...set in China. Am I crazy or is there a giant red flag right there?

Yes, there is a giant red flag there.

http://chat.carleton.ca/~hli2/images/China_flag.JPG

sabotai

12-24-2009, 11:56 AM

An absolutely sickening way to complete the franchise. Lucas should have listened to SW fans and created the Thrawn Trilogy.

Only if he let other people write the script, pick the actors, direct the movie and edit the final version.

Autumn

12-24-2009, 12:39 PM

Only if he let other people write the script, pick the actors, direct the movie and edit the final version.

I'm with you there. I give Lucas mad props for his original concept of the Star Wars story, but it would work much better if he would step back and produce I think.

weegeebored

12-24-2009, 01:11 PM

Only if he let other people write the script, pick the actors, direct the movie and edit the final version.I don't disagree with you there. I'm sure that Kasdan or even Zahn himself would have written a good screenplay. I was also thinking the same main cast (obviously not now) and somebody cool to play Mara Jade. And if those movies could/would be made now then who? But that's another poll question -- would SW fans want to see the franchise post Episode VI continued with new actors?

sabotai

12-24-2009, 01:13 PM

I'm with you there. I give Lucas mad props for his original concept of the Star Wars story, but it would work much better if he would step back and produce I think.

I credit him for the concept of Star Wars, too. People (in general, not you specifically.....warning rant incoming!!) give him too much credit for the quality of the original trilogy, though. He did the leg work for Star Wars, but that was before all of his success (before he thought every idea he had was great), working with a limited budget, and was the one he was influenced by other sources the most. On Empire, the one most seem to like the most, he did the least amount of work on. Someone else directed, he wrote the story but others wrote the actual screenplay. His main credit for Empire was "Executive Producer"...we all know what that really means. I'm sure he was a hands-on Executive Producer, but an EP all the same. With Return of the Jedi, he started taking on more roles again as he wrote the screenplay with someone else (but someone else directed).

With the prequels, he took on all of the legwork again, and the quality of acting by otherwise fine actors and the quality of the screenplay really showed. (In that, they both lacked quality).

I have not seen the latest Indiana Jones movie, but going by the reaction to it by most people, I wonder if we would have gotten a much better Indiana Jones movie had they made the one that Lucas rejected, but both Ford and Spielberg signed off on.

stevew

12-28-2011, 08:40 PM

In the Name of The King....2?

I hope Ray Liotta is in this one.

Matthean

12-28-2011, 08:47 PM

In the Name of The King....2?

I hope Ray Liotta is in this one.

It made just over $13 million worldwide. Budget was $60 million. Um...

sabotai

12-28-2011, 09:19 PM

I have not seen the latest Indiana Jones movie

I have now....and it was worse than I could have possibly imagined.

Autumn

12-29-2011, 02:26 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/12/george-lucas-indiana-jones-5-macguffin.html

jeff061

12-29-2011, 02:43 PM

He can do as many more Indy movies has he wants. He already killed it with the last one.

korme

12-29-2011, 04:17 PM

I mean no one has said Godfather III? It's not absolutely terrible, but I am much better off with the mindset of Godfather I & II only.

NorvTurnerOverdrive

12-29-2011, 04:32 PM

I mean no one has said Godfather III? It's not absolutely terrible, but I am much better off with the mindset of Godfather I & II only.
7 academy award noms including best picture. it stinks but it's not an abomination.

to this day i'm pissed there wasn't 2 sharks in jaws 2. it makes so much sense.

korme

12-29-2011, 04:44 PM

Just hated the storyline, I guess because they had nowhere else to take the movie

NorvTurnerOverdrive

12-29-2011, 04:56 PM

oh i know. but at least i didn't get violently angry after seeing it like i did the matrix sequel(s) YOU FUCKED IT ALL UP!!1!

Groundhog

12-29-2011, 05:16 PM

oh i know. but at least i didn't get violently angry after seeing it like i did the matrix sequel(s) YOU FUCKED IT ALL UP!!1!

"You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:06 PM

Indiana Jones 4, Terminator 3.

IJ4 was as good as IJ3 and much better than IJ2.

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:07 PM

Alien4. I kinda liked the third one.

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:09 PM

The Matrix Reloaded (2003) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/)
The Matrix Revolutions (2003) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242653/)

*shrug* I kinda liked the second one. It was a completely different movie though. It was more a straightup action movie with some mindtrippy things in it. But obviously it wasn't the direction fans wanted it to go.

Now three gave me a friggin headache with its constant danceremix beat through the whole movie. :P No plot worth mentioning and stole from too many OTHER movies.

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:10 PM

Leonard Part 6.

Awesome :D

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:12 PM

S. Darko (2009) (V) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1231277/)

wtf.

More like F.U. Darko fans.

I was never really fond of the first one to be honest. I SHOULD have liked it but it was too goth and emo for me.
I can see twilight fans liking it a lot.

Groundhog

12-29-2011, 06:12 PM

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:14 PM

Halloween 3 - Season of the Witch. I watched this when I was 12 and remember thinking 'What the fuck does this have to do with anything before it?'

I actually might have said what the fuck...

A+! This movie really sucked. Just really had that one really gross scene which was just kinda stupid. Why didn't they just give it a different name? oh yeah...to cash in on someone else's work. Carpenter should have sued their ass. He probably did.

CrimsonFox

12-29-2011, 06:16 PM

oh yeah jaws 2 3 4
ALL of the rockys :)

Groundhog

12-29-2011, 06:16 PM

Grover

12-29-2011, 06:28 PM

Alien4. I kinda liked the third one.

Agreed. I like third one. David Fincher got fucked with so bad by Fox on this movie that he nearly quit directing. I think if Fincher had been able to do 3 the way he wanted, it'd be as revered as the first two.

sovereignstar v2

12-29-2011, 06:28 PM

I was never really fond of the first one to be honest. I SHOULD have liked it but it was too goth and emo for me.
I can see twilight fans liking it a lot.

Wow.

Buccaneer

12-29-2011, 06:36 PM

I don't hold any of the IJ movies in as high a regard as most others do, but man, I thought IJ4 was horrendously bad. My irrational dislike of Shia LaDouche in general just about entirely stems from this movie.

This, except that I hold the first one in the highest regard possible (and the second one in the lowest). I'm just not sure which was worse, Kate Capshaw in IJ2 or Shia in IJ4. I think the story was worse in IJ4 though (Russians, aliens - ugh).

larrymcg421

12-29-2011, 06:40 PM

kcchief19

12-29-2011, 10:46 PM

kcchief19

12-29-2011, 10:51 PM

I can't stand Kate Capshaw in IJ2, but it is way more exciting than IJ4. And Shia's ridiculous entrance in IJ4 is more annoying to me than anything Kate Capshaw did. IJ3 is awesome and almost to the level of the original.
Kate Capshaw and Short Round versus Shia, Kate Capshaw and aliens. Very tight call. I'm the opposite of almost everyone I know -- I thought IJ2 was or horrible at the time but I like a little better now. Everyone else seems to hate it more now.

I don't see how anyone can't like IJ3. If you don't, you're just wrong.

stevew

12-29-2011, 11:02 PM

They just need to remake ToD after the Lao Che stiff is over. The intro to ToD is possibly my favorite part of the whole series of movies.

stevew

12-29-2011, 11:06 PM

From memory - my bro is a huge Halloween movie nut, and he harps on about H3 all the time - the idea was to turn the Halloween franchise in to a series of stand-alone horror films, but due to the terrible reception of H3 they abandoned that and went back to teenagers getting stabbed to death while making out by Michael Myers. :D

I used to work with this ex-crackhead name Southey and he ranted about H3 a ton as well. I never was into horror, but he was a bit of an aficionado so it's hilarious someone else felt that way.

larrymcg421

12-30-2011, 12:21 AM

Kate Capshaw and Short Round versus Shia, Kate Capshaw and aliens. Very tight call. I'm the opposite of almost everyone I know -- I thought IJ2 was or horrible at the time but I like a little better now. Everyone else seems to hate it more now.

It is Karen Allen in IJ4, not Kate Capshaw. Karen Allen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kate Capshaw.

CrimsonFox

12-30-2011, 12:23 AM

*shrug* aliens/religious relics, eyes on fire/faces melting, nazis/russians. It's all the same. They're all from the same IJ bag of tricks.

Johnny93g

12-30-2011, 01:14 AM

In defense of IJ4, Shia Ladouche has been horrible in a lot of movies.

Other then the Transformer series and Indy 4, which anyone in their right mind would have to admit are purely paycheck movies in which acting is not required, what exactly was he horrible in?

Johnny93g

12-30-2011, 01:16 AM

I don't understand the hate for Indiana Jones sequels. I'm 31. I watched all 3 as a kid and just loved them. I watch them now and feel the same way. Indy 4 came out, and while there are a few weird scenes, I don't care, I just want to see Indiana Jones be Indiana Jones. I got that in Indy 4. I was satisfied.

CrimsonFox

12-30-2011, 05:23 AM

I don't know where the shia hate comes from as he's actually a pretty good actor for his age. Maybe it was started with that one interactive thread with celebrities and Shia was picked first in it.

CrimsonFox

12-30-2011, 05:23 AM

Anyway we must mention:
Star Wars I
Star Wars II
Star Wars III

although as Lois Griffin would say, "I said bad movie, not an abortion!"

NorvTurnerOverdrive

12-30-2011, 06:34 AM

Anyway we must mention:
Star Wars I
Star Wars II
Star Wars III

although as Lois Griffin would say, "I said bad movie, not an abortion!"
it's a simple hero's tale but there's some deep existential shit going on. take the force for instance. since all matter is literally stardust it would make sense that an enlightened few would be able to tap into the...

wait, what? it's a what!? a parasite? oh...
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bronconick

12-30-2011, 07:58 AM

Star Wars I-III are not good by any objective measure. However, I think they're made worse because our expectations of what they would be was so far off from what Lucas made. IV-VI took place during a short period that included a rebellion in all 3.

I don't know about everyone else, but when I was thinking what I-III would be, I figured the Clone War would be occurring during all three and we'd see a gradual fall from grace for Vader including some Jedi hunts in the 3rd. Instead, 95% of the Clone War is kept off-screen for a cartoon series, it's resolved in an hour in movie III, the Jedi "hunts" are a montage of stormtroopers actually hitting something and the rest is Vader slaughtering children and unarmed trade federation guys who were "the bad guys" before now. Even the long awaited Obi-Wan duel is disappointing.

The first two are superfluous crap and the 3rd is rushed crap because he wasted his first 5+ hours of the 7-8 set aside.

MacroGuru

12-30-2011, 08:09 AM

I was reading an interview yesterday that occurred with Shia post IJ4 and guess what, he feels the same way you do about IJ4

“I feel like I dropped the ball on the legacy that people loved and cherished… You can blame it on the writer and you can blame it on Steven (Spielberg). But the actor’s job is to make it come alive and make it work, and I couldn’t do it,”

“I think the audience is pretty intelligent. I think they know when you’ve made (a bad film)… And I think if you don’t acknowledge it, then why do they trust you the next time you’re promoting a movie…..”
LaBeouf claims Indy 4 was a dreadful piece of movie that even Harrison Ford hated.
“We (Ford and LaBeouf) had major discussions. He wasn’t happy with it either. Look, the movie could have been updated. There was a reason it wasn’t universally accepted,” Shia says matter-of factly.
And the Transformers actor has no qualms about spilling the tea on the feature, although his candid comments could land him in hot water with Hollywood heavyweight Spielberg.
“I’ll probably get a call. But he needs to hear this. I love him. I love Steven. I have a relationship with Steven that supersedes our business work. And believe me, I talk to him often enough to know that I’m not out of line. And I would never disrespect the man. I think he’s a genius, and he’s given me my whole life. He’s done so much great work that there’s no need for him to feel vulnerable about one film. But when you drop the ball you drop the ball.”