2009 FOFC Alternate Rules Football; Season Underway!

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09.05.09

The draft is complete and has been entered into Yahoo. Make sure to set your lineups before the Thursday game this week.

Waivers are ready and can be processed on the 8th. Lineups need to be set before the 10th so there's a short window there.

Beyond that, it's almost game time.


08.24.09

After a weekend of a soft, live draft, the "real draft" has now started. The clock went active at 8am and the Fiddly Cartoonists have until 1400 (2pm) ET to make their pick.

The draft will continue as normal with the morning provision until the weekend.

08.20.09

We have a draft order:
3 k0ruptr - Hawaii Ha'a
6 Butter_of_69 - Dayton Dynamo
2 Qwikshot - Qwikshots Quivers
1 Celeval - Creeping UDFAs
10 Danny - Road Kill Cafe
9 molson - Enchanted Goats
7 rafini - Rafini Express
4 Masked - Eleven Masked Men
8 flere-imsaho - Fiddly Cartoonists
5 sterlingice - Richmond Rhinocerii

The soft, live draft is now underway over the weekend

08.18.09

We still have one spot open as of 10am ET.

It looks like we'll be starting the draft next Monday, with a soft draft period over the weekend. We now have 9 spots spoken for so there's still one opening left. If you have signed into the thread but not into Yahoo, try to get signed up as soon as possible.

08.17.09

We have half of the league full with 4 returning teams and a new team. Still 5 spots open- just read the rules and put in a post with your team name and unpicked number (1-10) if you want to join :)

08.14.09

It's time to get the ball rolling! Draft starts next Tuesday!

Sign up in the thread with a team name and number between 1 and 10 that hasn't been taken yet! Also, include your vote on the keeper rules below- yes for a keeper league or no for no keeper league.

If there are any rules discussions, start another post and we can chat about them- nothing's set in stone until the draft starts.

08.12.09
Also, finished updating the league history posts.

A couple of measures to consider:
1) Should we make this a keeper league and, if so, what format?
2) Any rules changes that need to be made? Or do we look good. After the draft has started- we're pretty much locked in.

08.11.09

-Still trying to get all of the posting done for this, but wanted to get things started
-Same rules as my usual leagues- if you were active, you'll have a couple of days to claim your reserved spot
-Definitely won't start draft until next Monday at the earliest and it will be the slow, live draft format
-Also, considering this league as a keeper league starting this season
-The meat will be in posts 2-4. This first post is just the news billboard


Scoring and Links

Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/fofcalternatefootball2009)

Scoring & Settings

<table class="data" id="settings-table"> <thead> <tr> <th class="first">Setting</th> <th>Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td>League ID#:</td> <td>427484</td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">FOFC Alternate Rules</td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">dola</td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Offline Draft </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">10</td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Head-to-Head </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Start Scoring on:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 1 </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Can't Cut List Provider:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yahoo! Sports </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Acquisitions per Week:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 1 </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade End Date:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> November 20, 2009 </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Review:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> League Votes </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 2 days </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Continual rolling list </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Weekly Waivers</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Sunday - Tuesday </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Post Draft Players:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Follow Waiver Rules </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoffs:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 15 and 16 (4 teams) </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Divisions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoff Seeding Options:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Division winners awarded top playoff seeds </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Roster Positions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> QB, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, TE, K, K, DEF, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Fractional Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Negative Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

<table class="data" id="settings-stat-mod-table"><thead> <tr> <th class="first">Offense</th> <th>League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Passing Yards</td> <td>30 yards per point</td> <td>25 yards per point</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Passing Touchdowns</td> <td>5</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Interceptions</td> <td>-1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Rushing Yards</td> <td>10 yards per point</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Rushing Touchdowns</td> <td>6</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Receptions</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Reception Yards</td> <td>8 yards per point</td> <td>10 yards per point</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Reception Touchdowns</td> <td>6</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">2-Point Conversions</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Fumbles</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Fumbles Lost</td> <td>-1</td> <td>-2</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Offensive Fumble Return TD</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr> </tbody> <thead> <tr> <th class="first">Kickers</th> <th>League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 0-19 Yards</td> <td>3</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 20-29 Yards</td> <td>4</td> <td>3</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 30-39 Yards</td> <td>4</td> <td>3</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 40-49 Yards</td> <td>4</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 50+ Yards</td> <td>5</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards</td> <td>-2</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Point After Attempt Made</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Point After Attempt Missed</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody> <thead> <tr> <th class="first">Defense/Special Teams</th> <th>League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Sack</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Interception</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Fumble Recovery</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Touchdown</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Safety</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Block Kick</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Return Yards</td> <td>75 yards per point</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns</td> <td>5</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 0 points</td> <td>15</td> <td>10</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 1-6 points</td> <td>10</td> <td>7</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 7-13 points</td> <td>5</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 14-20 points</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 21-27 points</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 28-34 points</td> <td>-2</td> <td>-1</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 35+ points</td> <td>-5</td> <td>-4</td></tr></tbody></table>

SI

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Alternate Rules Football History

After a brief hiatus- in 2008 I was moving across country at draft time- the FOFC Alternate Rules Football league is back! There's nothing too radical about it, but we do play with 2 QBs, playing PPR, and try to balance out all 3 of the major positions while still making the other 3 differentiated and yet valuable.

In the first season (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=41688), 2005, the Rafini Express steamrolled the rest of the league; led by Tomlinson, Palmer, Hasselbeck, and a solid receiving corps.

In 2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=51190), Eleven Masked Men won the regular season while 5 teams were at either 9-5 or 8-6 but only three made the playoffs. The #4 and #3 seeds won in the playoffs with the balanced Marino Gets a Title winning over the LT-led Houston Hippopotami.

For 2007 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=60329), there were 3 10-4 powers going into the playoffs with the Little Macs, Hawaii Haka, and Houston Hippopotami but it was the #4 seed Louisiana Cyclones who won the title after squeaking into the playoffs at 8-6.

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MAKE SURE YOU READ THE LEAGUE RULES BEFORE YOU JOIN AND AGAIN BEFORE THE DRAFT!

I can't stress this enough- the draft is long and requires you to be online a lot. If you don't think you can make it, don't join.

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Signing Up

Until Saturday at midnight ET, preference goes to teams who were in the league in 2007 but after that, it's open to anyone. Post below to get on the "waiting list". It's been nearly 2 years so there will probably be open spots.

For those of you who have played in my leagues before, you know the league runs a little different than most, at least with regards to football (I think my baseball leagues are pretty standard). I've always hated the stereotypical fantasy football leagues where the first two rounds are a mad scramble for RBs, the 12th best QB in the league is useless in a 10 team league, and WRs are crap outside of a couple of studs. Not the case here, as I've been trying to perfect my formula and I think it's getting better each year but it's definitely non-standard.

Lastly, gotta have active owners: if you've played in a league I've been in and quit, unless you PM me with a good explanation, you'll be kicked out of the league before draft day and your spot will go to someone else. We're back to the slow live draft format- if you've been in my fantasy baseball league, then you're familiar with how it works. We draft on the board and you need to be able to check multiple times a day or

So, please, only join if you're going to be able to draft and play.

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MAKE SURE YOU READ THE LEAGUE RULES BEFORE YOU JOIN AND AGAIN BEFORE THE DRAFT!


Rules

I'll try to outline the major points below but any writeup will be somewhat incomplete. I've been trying to make sure and balance out the three main positions. It's not perfect but it's a lot better than what's out there, in my opinion:

* First thing you'll notice is 2 QBs- your 2nd and even 3rd QB does matter, just as much as your 2nd and 3rd RBs. No more mad scramble solely for RBs.
* There are 3 WRs and they are worth 8/1 versus 10/1 for RBs and 30/1 for QBs
* I removed the RB/WR flex, tho- I think it made the league a bit too shallow last time. We'll see how it feels this time.
* TE's are a bit better than in the past, but I would still love to be able to hit them with a 1.5 * mulitiplier across the board. As that's not possible, they fall in positional value. PPR helps them, tho.
* There are kindof 2 tiers of players: QBs/RBs/WRs and Ks/DEFs/TEs. The first are worth more as they are believed to be more important. However, those second tiers are still worth about 2/3rds what the first group does, and good ones can offset a bad week by a top tier player.
* There's a lot of emphasis on positional scarcity- 2 of pretty much everything in a 10 team league means 20 QBs, 20 RBs, 20 Ks, and 20 DEFs will be starting each and every week which only leaves 10 in the pool at max. You only get 5 bench spaces so use them well- no hoarding that 4th K or even 3rd K if it means dropping that injured RB who's about to come back or that backup for your stud who you have as a 4th RB.

Also, a couple of changes versus last year:
* Removed the RB/WR flex slot- the free agent pool was just too shallow after that. In my mind, there should be a few players in the pool who can be a spot start most weeks and that just wasn't there. I'd have to whittle the bench down further to 4 and that's just too bare bones in a sport with those annoying bye weeks.
* QB, RB, and WR were 40/15/10 but are now 30/10/8. I'm not all that happy about keeping QB value the same and bringing RB and WR value up a little but the numbers support it.
* I might have changed up kicker and defensive points some versus the past but I can't exactly remember


Slow, Live Draft Rules

The draft will take place in this thread once the league has been set up. It is a snake draft. With a couple of name free agents out there, we're probably going to wait another week or two. If nothing changes, we'll start drafting the morning of Tuesday August 18th.

There are 6 hour time limits between the hours of 8am ET and 10pm ET on weekdays. Hopefully we don't have to enforce this but we almost always have to a couple of times during the draft.

If you had more than an hour the previous night (the previous pick was made at 9pm), you get 1 hour in the morning (until 9am) to make your pick. If you had less than an hour, you have 2 hours in the morning (until 10am). We have to keep this moving and we need everyone checking every night and every morning if it's near their turn.

On weekends, we'll just go with a standard 6 hours with no morning/evening provision but let's try to keep things moving.

If there are problems in that you know your pick is coming up but you won't be online, submit a list either to myself or to a proxy drafter for you. Otherwise, you will get the next player on Yahoo's list. Maybe pick someone who is on the opposite end of the draft from you so that you likely won't be grabbing from the same pool of players anyways.

The NFL season starts Thursday September 10th. If the draft is not complete by Sunday September 6th at noon, we will have a quick live draft via AIM to complete the draft on Monday September 7th, starting at 7pm ET. Anyone who won't be able to make that will need to submit a list to me, a proxy, or have a proxy in chat (who is not in the league) to finish out their team.

If you miss more than 2 picks in the draft (i.e. time limit expired so a Yahoo rankings pick), particularly in the first 10 rounds, then you can be replaced as manager.

I hate to lay down some of these rules but we're going to be drafting 180 players so we need to get it done in a timely fashion.

IF YOU CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THIS SCHEDULE, DO NOT JOIN.


Scoring Summary

If you just want the Cliff's notes version, here it is:
* 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR as primary positions with yards weighted 30/10/8 and TDs at 5/6/6. This makes both yardage and TDs important while also making each position equally valuable.
* 2 DEF, 2 K, 2 TE as secondary positions but still worth decent points, about 2/3rds the primary positions. TEs still kindof suck but I can't do anything about that.
* Only 5 bench spots with a lot of starters so you'll have to know your team


Possible Keeper Rules
Lastly- any thoughts on a keeper league? There are 2 dangers: 1) it makes the draft less fun as there is talent out of the pool. 2) I tweak the scoring a little pretty much every season trying to get a balance so people might view that unfairly.

If we do a keeper league- it would probably be 2 players per team per year. They must be at different positions (so no keeping 2 QBs or 2 RBs). Each player would have a 2 year clock after which they would return to the draft- so if they were drafted in 2009- you would keep them this and next season and then they would go back into the draft pool.

A trade would add another year to this clock, however. So, if you traded someone in the 2010 season, they would have said player for the rest of 2010 and 2011 before he goes back into the pool. Also, the trade deadline would act as it does in baseball- after the trade deadline, there is no player trading until keepers are declared for next season. That way, you can't keep your guys for 2 years and then trade them in the offseason- you'll have to trade them in season to get the "contract" benefit.

Also, if a dead team is taken over- any expiring player has a year added to their clock. In short, that means if a new owner takes over a dead team, they also aren't having to go empty cupboard. So, if we start this year and both keepers would be in the pool after 2010, but a dead team is taken over coming into 2011- they will have the option of keeping 2 players on the roster for 1 year.

I like the idea of a rookie keeper like we have in the FOFC Keeper League but that takes a larger roster than we have here, I think.

Wrap Up
Ok, after that novella, looks like we're ready to go. Remember, until Saturday, preference goes to teams from last year but after that, it's open to anyone. Post if you want to get on the "waiting list". However, due to the league setup, there is no possible way to expand this league beyond 10 teams so it's 10 max, otherwise talent gets tremendously thin at 12 or higher. It's just not possible to have this many players and go above 10 teams.

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Abstract

Here's some research I put together when I was trying to balance out the scoring system which explains why it is the way it is and gives an idea of how much players are worth.

Here are the point comparisons using the scoring system
*Freakish numbers in parens and are not included as they skew the system

Top 20 QB, 20 RB, 30 WR
QB
2008/2007 Top 10 Range (Number 1s): 314-217, (415 Brady) 314-221
2008/2007 Top 25 Range (Starters): 314-138, 314-106

RB
2008/2007 Top 10 Range (Number 1s): 299-237, 350-212
2008/2007 Top 25 Range (Starters): 299-166, 350-155

WR (larger sample)
2008/2007 Top 15 Range (Number 1s): 302-213, (373 Moss) 300-222
2008/2007 Top 40 Range (Starters): 302-137, 300-142

TE
2008/2007 Top 10 Range (Number 1s): 240-124, 231-124
2008/2007 Top 25 Range (Starters): 240-79, 231-66

K
2008/2007 Top 10 Range (Number 1s): 183-153, 173-145
2008/2007 Top 25 Range (Starters): 183-123, 173-111

DEF
2008/2007 Top 10 Range (Number 1s): 194-148, 191-151
2008/2007 Top 25 Range (Starters): 194-105, 191-111

Top 25/100 point totals in 2008/2007
25 Cutoff: 239/236
100 Cutoff: 143/132
Top 100 QB: 24/20
Top 100 RB: 32/29
Top 100 WR: 37/44
Top 100 TE: 6/8
(somehow I ended up with 99/101 above)
K (if counted): 15/18
DEF (if counted): 10/16
Top 25: 8 QB, 9 RB, 7 WR, 1 TE / 9 QB, 6 RB, 10 WR

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Teams Returning
5 sterlingice - Richmond Rhinocerii; in yahoo
3 k0ruptr - Hawaii Ha'a; in yahoo
4 Masked - Eleven Masked Men; in yahoo
9 molson - Enchanted Goats; in yahoo
8 flere-imsaho - Fiddly Cartoonists; in yahoo
1 Celeval - Creeping UDFAs; in yahoo
6 Butter_of_69 - Dayton Dynamo; in yahoo
10 Danny - Road Kill Cafe; in yahoo
7 rafini - Rafini Express; in yahoo
2 Qwikshot - Qwikshots Quivers; in yahoo


Waiting List
N/A


2009 Draft


Round 1
1. Adrian Peterson Hawaii Ha'a
2. Maurice Jones-Drew Dayton Dynamo
3. Matt Forte Qwikshots Qu...
4. Larry Fitzgerald Creeping UDFAs
5. Andre Johnson Road Kill Cafe
6. Drew Brees Enchanted Goats
7. Tom Brady Rafini Express
8. LaDainian Tomlinson Eleven Maske...
9. Peyton Manning Fiddly Carto...
10. Randy Moss Richmond Rhi...
Round 2
1. Aaron Rodgers Richmond Rhi...
2. DeAngelo Williams Fiddly Carto...
3. Steve Slaton Eleven Maske...
4. Michael Turner Rafini Express
5. Calvin Johnson Enchanted Goats
6. Steven Jackson Road Kill Cafe
7. Chris Johnson Creeping UDFAs
8. Frank Gore Qwikshots Qu...
9. Brian Westbrook Dayton Dynamo
10. Philip Rivers Hawaii Ha'a
Round 3
1. Reggie Wayne Hawaii Ha'a
2. Kurt Warner Dayton Dynamo
3. Roddy White Qwikshots Qu...
4. Tony Romo Creeping UDFAs
5. Greg Jennings Road Kill Cafe
6. Steve Smith Enchanted Goats
7. Anquan Boldin Rafini Express
8. Marques Colston Eleven Maske...
9. Matt Ryan Fiddly Carto...
10. Brandon Jacobs Richmond Rhi...
Round 4
1. Matt Schaub Richmond Rhi...
2. Jason Witten Fiddly Carto...
3. Donovan McNabb Eleven Maske...
4. Dwayne Bowe Rafini Express
5. Clinton Portis Enchanted Goats
6. Marion Barber Road Kill Cafe
7. Carson Palmer Creeping UDFAs
8. Jay Cutler Qwikshots Qu...
9. Tony Gonzalez Dayton Dynamo
10. Ronnie Brown Hawaii Ha'a
Round 5
1. Antonio Gates Hawaii Ha'a
2. Wes Welker Dayton Dynamo
3. Matt Cassel Qwikshots Qu...
4. Dallas Clark Creeping UDFAs
5. Ben Roethlisberger Road Kill Cafe
6. Eli Manning Enchanted Goats
7. Matt Hasselbeck Rafini Express
8. Terrell Owens Eleven Maske...
9. Ryan Grant Fiddly Carto...
10. Kevin Smith Richmond Rhi...
Round 6
1. Chad Ochocinco Richmond Rhi...
2. T.J. Houshmandzadeh Fiddly Carto...
3. Jeremy Shockey Eleven Maske...
4. Pierre Thomas Rafini Express
5. Darren McFadden Enchanted Goats
6. Roy Williams Road Kill Cafe
7. Kellen Winslow Creeping UDFAs
8. Anthony Gonzalez Qwikshots Qu...
9. Vincent Jackson Dayton Dynamo
10. David Garrard Hawaii Ha'a
Round 7
1. DeSean Jackson Hawaii Ha'a
2. Pittsburgh Dayton Dynamo
3. Eddie Royal Qwikshots Qu...
4. Brandon Marshall Creeping UDFAs
5. Greg Olsen Road Kill Cafe
6. Owen Daniels Enchanted Goats
7. Chris Cooley Rafini Express
8. Reggie Bush Eleven Maske...
9. Braylon Edwards Fiddly Carto...
10. Trent Edwards Richmond Rhi...
Round 8
1. John Carlson Richmond Rhi...
2. Anthony Fasano Fiddly Carto...
3. Kyle Orton Eleven Maske...
4. Larry Johnson Rafini Express
5. Zach Miller Enchanted Goats
6. Santonio Holmes Road Kill Cafe
7. Lee Evans Creeping UDFAs
8. Dustin Keller Qwikshots Qu...
9. Chad Pennington Dayton Dynamo
10. Hines Ward Hawaii Ha'a
Round 9
1. Torry Holt Hawaii Ha'a
2. Santana Moss Dayton Dynamo
3. Ray Rice Qwikshots Qu...
4. Joseph Addai Creeping UDFAs
5. Knowshon Moreno Road Kill Cafe
6. Marshawn Lynch Enchanted Goats
7. Antonio Bryant Rafini Express
8. Bo Scaife Eleven Maske...
9. Derrick Mason Fiddly Carto...
10. Bernard Berrian Richmond Rhi...
Round 10
1. Kevin Walter Richmond Rhi...
2. Devin Hester Fiddly Carto...
3. Jerricho Cotchery Eleven Maske...
4. Brett Favre Rafini Express
5. Laveranues Coles Enchanted Goats
6. Joe Flacco Road Kill Cafe
7. Willie Parker Creeping UDFAs
8. Donald Brown Qwikshots Qu...
9. Visanthe Shiancoe Dayton Dynamo
10. Thomas Jones Hawaii Ha'a
Round 11
1. Jason Campbell Hawaii Ha'a
2. Jake Delhomme Dayton Dynamo
3. Lance Moore Qwikshots Qu...
4. New York Creeping UDFAs
5. Shaun Hill Road Kill Cafe
6. JaMarcus Russell Enchanted Goats
7. Donald Driver Rafini Express
8. Tennessee Eleven Maske...
9. Cedric Benson Fiddly Carto...
10. Beanie Wells Richmond Rhi...
Round 12
1. Felix Jones Richmond Rhi...
2. Brent Celek Fiddly Carto...
3. Steve Breaston Eleven Maske...
4. LenDale White Rafini Express
5. Fred Jackson Enchanted Goats
6. Heath Miller Road Kill Cafe
7. Minnesota Creeping UDFAs
8. Brady Quinn Qwikshots Qu...
9. Ted Ginn Jr. Dayton Dynamo
10. Baltimore Hawaii Ha'a
Round 13
1. Kevin Boss Hawaii Ha'a
2. Derrick Ward Dayton Dynamo
3. Philadelphia Qwikshots Qu...
4. Chris Henry Creeping UDFAs
5. Donnie Avery Road Kill Cafe
6. LeSean McCoy Enchanted Goats
7. New England Rafini Express
8. Marc Bulger Eleven Maske...
9. Stephen Gostkowski Fiddly Carto...
10. Dallas Richmond Rhi...
Round 14
1. Green Bay Richmond Rhi...
2. Chicago Fiddly Carto...
3. New York Eleven Maske...
4. San Diego Rafini Express
5. Carolina Enchanted Goats
6. Rob Bironas Road Kill Cafe
7. Darren Sproles Creeping UDFAs
8. Jason Elam Qwikshots Qu...
9. Miami Dayton Dynamo
10. David Akers Hawaii Ha'a
Round 15
1. Julius Jones Hawaii Ha'a
2. Nate Kaeding Dayton Dynamo
3. Vernon Davis Qwikshots Qu...
4. Mark Sanchez Creeping UDFAs
5. Mason Crosby Road Kill Cafe
6. Jamal Lewis Enchanted Goats
7. Percy Harvin Rafini Express
8. Ryan Longwell Eleven Maske...
9. Neil Rackers Fiddly Carto...
10. Kris Brown Richmond Rhi...
Round 16
1. Tim Hightower Richmond Rhi...
2. Washington Fiddly Carto...
3. Fred Taylor Eleven Maske...
4. Robbie Gould Rafini Express
5. Nick Folk Enchanted Goats
6. Leon Washington Road Kill Cafe
7. Josh Brown Creeping UDFAs
8. John Kasay Qwikshots Qu...
9. Kerry Collins Dayton Dynamo
10. Buffalo Hawaii Ha'a
Round 17
1. Matt Prater Hawaii Ha'a
2. Joe Nedney Dayton Dynamo
3. Tampa Bay Qwikshots Qu...
4. Troy Williamson Creeping UDFAs
5. Indianapolis Road Kill Cafe
6. Seattle Enchanted Goats
7. John Carney Rafini Express
8. A.J. Feeley Eleven Maske...
9. Domenik Hixon Fiddly Carto...
10. Jermichael Finley Richmond Rhi...
Round 18
1. Adam Vinatieri Richmond Rhi...
2. Matthew Stafford Fiddly Carto...
3. Josh Morgan Eleven Maske...
4. Tony Scheffler Rafini Express
5. Lawrence Tynes Enchanted Goats
6. Chester Taylor Road Kill Cafe
7. Daniel Graham Creeping UDFAs
8. Isaac Bruce Qwikshots Qu...
9. Michael Jenkins Dayton Dynamo
10. Muhsin Muhammad Hawaii Ha'a

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2007 League Info

Thread (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=60329)

<table class="teamtable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="first">League ID#:</td> <td class="last">210962</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">FOFC Hardcore</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">dola</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Custom League URL:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">http://football.fantasysports.yahoo....e/fofchardcore (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/fofchardcore)</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Live Draft </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Sat Aug 25 7:30pm CDT [ Add to My Calendar (http://calendar.yahoo.com/?v=60&TITLE=Yahoo%21+Sports+Fantasy+Football+Live+Draft&TYPE=20&URL=http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com&ST=20070825T173000&DUR=0300&REM1=60m) ] </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Head-to-Head </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Start Scoring on:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Can't Cut List Provider:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yahoo! Sports </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade End Date:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> November 16, 2007 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Review:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> League Votes </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 1 day </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Post Draft Players:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Follow Waiver Rules </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoffs:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 15 and 16 (4 teams) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Roster Positions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> QB, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, TE, W/R, K, K, DEF, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN </td> </tr> <!-- --> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Stat Categories:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Passing Yards (30 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (4)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Yards (12 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (5)
Receptions (0.5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (5)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (4)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (4)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (4)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (5)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (6)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-1)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-1)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-1)
Sack (1)
Interception (1.5)
Fumble Recovery (1.5)
Touchdown (5)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (1)
Points Allowed 0 points (12)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (10)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (5)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (2)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-2)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-5) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Fractional Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Negative Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table class="gametable" id="standingstable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr><th class="first rank">Rank</th> <th class="team">Team</th> <th class="wlt">W-L-T</th> <th>Pct</th> <th>Pts</th> <th>Streak</th> <th>Waiver</th> <th class="last">Moves</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="first rank">*1.</td> <td class="team">Louisiana Cyclones! (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/8)</td> <td>8-6-0</td> <td>.571</td> <td>1924.58</td> <td>L-3</td> <td>2</td> <td class="last">6</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">*2.</td> <td class="team">Hawaii Haka (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/7)</td> <td>10-4-0</td> <td>.714</td> <td>2022.22</td> <td>W-2</td> <td>7</td> <td class="last">19</td> </tr> <tr class="selected"> <td class="first rank">*3.</td> <td class="team">Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/1)</td> <td>10-4-0</td> <td>.714</td> <td>2014.70</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>6</td> <td class="last">25</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">*4.</td> <td class="team">Little Macs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/9)</td> <td>10-4-0</td> <td>.714</td> <td>2131.11</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>1</td> <td class="last">13</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">5.</td> <td class="team">Autodraft Dookies (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/2)</td> <td>6-8-0</td> <td>.429</td> <td>1870.13</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>8</td> <td class="last">16</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">6.</td> <td class="team">Tazmaniacs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/3)</td> <td>7-7-0</td> <td>.500</td> <td>2186.04</td> <td>W-3</td> <td>4</td> <td class="last">21</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">7.</td> <td class="team">Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/6)</td> <td>7-7-0</td> <td>.500</td> <td>2029.25</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>5</td> <td class="last">20</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">8.</td> <td class="team">Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/5)</td> <td>5-9-0</td> <td>.357</td> <td>1676.05</td> <td>L-2</td> <td>10</td> <td class="last">26</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">9.</td> <td class="team">Dunwoody Dolphins (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/10)</td> <td>4-10-0</td> <td>.286</td> <td>1552.32</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>3</td> <td class="last">2</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">10.</td> <td class="team">Enchanted Goats (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/4)</td> <td>3-11-0</td> <td>.214</td> <td>1854.63</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>9</td> <td class="last">50</td></tr></tbody></table>
1st

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_01_48.gifLouisiana Cyclones! (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/8)
2nd

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_11_48.gifHawaii Haka (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/7)
3rd

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_06_48.gifHouston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/1)
<table id="playofftable" class="gametable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead><tr><th>Week 15
(Dec 11 - Dec 17)</th> <th>Week 16
(Dec 18 - Dec 24)</th> <th> </th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="semi"> Semifinal

<strike>(1) Little Macs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/9)</strike>109.08
(4) Louisiana Cyclones! (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/8)128.82

Semifinal

(2) Hawaii Haka (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/7)121.79
<strike>(3) Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/1)</strike>110.58

</td> <td class="final"> Final

(4) Louisiana Cyclones! (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/8)135.75
<strike>(2) Hawaii Haka (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/7)</strike>131.74

</td> <td class="champ"> League Champion

Louisiana Cyclones! (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/8)
<dl><dt>2nd</dt><dd>Hawaii Haka (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/7)</dd><dt>3rd</dt><dd>Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/1)</dd><dt>4th</dt><dd>Little Macs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/9)</dd></dl>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>3rd Place Game

<strike>(1) Little Macs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/9)</strike>73.48
(3) Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/1)140.97

</td> <td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>


<table id="playofftable" class="gametable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead><tr><th>Week 15
(Dec 11 - Dec 17)</th> <th>Week 16
(Dec 18 - Dec 24)</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="semi"> Semifinal

(5) Tazmaniacs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/3)174.58
<strike>(8) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/5)</strike>85.01

Semifinal

<strike>(6) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/6)</strike>118.98
(7) Autodraft Dookies (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/2)130.67

</td> <td class="final"> 5th Place Game

<strike>(5) Tazmaniacs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/3)</strike>162.32
(7) Autodraft Dookies (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/2)174.88

</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>7th Place Game

<strike>(8) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/5)</strike>97.72
(6) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2007/210962/6)158.81

</td></tr></tbody></table>



SI

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2006 League Info

Thread (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=51190)

<table class="teamtable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="first">League ID#:</td> <td class="last">202492</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">FOFCs Alternate Rules</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">dola</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Live Draft </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Sat Aug 19 12:30pm CDT </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Head-to-Head </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Start Scoring on:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Can't Cut List Provider:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yahoo! Sports </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 2 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade End Date:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> November 17, 2006 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Review:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> League Votes </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 2 days </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Post Draft Players:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Follow Waiver Rules </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoffs:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 15 and 16 (4 teams) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Roster Positions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> QB, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, K, DEF, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN </td> </tr> <!-- --> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Stat Categories:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Passing Yards (40 yards per point; 5 points at 300 yards)
Passing Touchdowns (4)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Yards (15 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (5)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles (-1)
Fumbles Lost (-1)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (4)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (4)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (4)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (5)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (6)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-1)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-1)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (0)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-1)
Sack (1)
Interception (1)
Fumble Recovery (1)
Touchdown (5)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Return Yards (100 yards per point)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (5)
Points Allowed 0 points (15)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (10)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (5)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (2)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-2)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-5) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Fractional Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Negative Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes</td></tr></tbody></table>





<table class="gametable" id="standingstable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="first rank">*1.</td> <td class="team">Marino Gets a Title (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/8)</td> <td>9-5-0</td> <td>.643</td> <td>1363</td> <td>W-2</td> <td>8</td> <td class="last">14</td> </tr> <tr class="selected"> <td class="first rank">*2.</td> <td class="team">Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/1)</td> <td>8-6-0</td> <td>.571</td> <td>1556</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>10</td> <td class="last">31</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">*3.</td> <td class="team">Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/2)</td> <td>11-3-0</td> <td>.786</td> <td>1596</td> <td>L-2</td> <td>2</td> <td class="last">20</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">*4.</td> <td class="team">Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/5)</td> <td>9-5-0</td> <td>.643</td> <td>1477</td> <td>W-2</td> <td>5</td> <td class="last">5</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">5.</td> <td class="team">Fremont 49ers (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/10)</td> <td>4-9-1</td> <td>.321</td> <td>1279</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>4</td> <td class="last">5</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">6.</td> <td class="team">Enchanted Goats (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/6)</td> <td>8-6-0</td> <td>.571</td> <td>1381</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>7</td> <td class="last">51</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">7.</td> <td class="team">Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/4)</td> <td>8-6-0</td> <td>.571</td> <td>1543</td> <td>W-2</td> <td>6</td> <td class="last">12</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">8.</td> <td class="team">Wasabi AK (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/7)</td> <td>6-7-1</td> <td>.464</td> <td>1430</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>3</td> <td class="last">31</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">9.</td> <td class="team">Poison Pills (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/3)</td> <td>4-10-0</td> <td>.286</td> <td>1320</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>1</td> <td class="last">11</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">10.</td> <td class="team">WrongWay's Dead Team (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/9)</td> <td>2-12-0</td> <td>.143</td> <td>1153</td> <td>L-7</td> <td>9</td> <td class="last">5</td></tr></tbody></table>
1st

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_08_48.gifMarino Gets a Title (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/8)
2nd

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_06_48.gifHouston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/1)
3rd

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_09_48.gifEleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/2)<table id="playofftable" class="gametable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead> <tr> <th>Week 15
(Dec 12 - Dec 18)</th> <th>Week 16
(Dec 19 - Dec 25)</th> <th>
</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="semi"> Semifinal(1) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/2)(4) Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/1)
Semifinal(2) Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/5)(3) Marino Gets a Title (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/8)
</td> <td class="final"> Final(4) Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/1)(3) Marino Gets a Title (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/8)
</td> <td class="champ"> League Champion(3) Marino Gets a Title (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/8)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>
</td> <td>3rd Place Game(1) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/2)(2) Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/5)
</td> <td>3rd Place Winner(1) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/2)
</td></tr></tbody></table>



<table id="playofftable" class="gametable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead><tr><th>Week 15
(Dec 12 - Dec 18)</th> <th>Week 16
(Dec 19 - Dec 25)</th> <th>
</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="semi"> Semifinal(5) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/4)(8) Fremont 49ers (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/10)
Semifinal(6) Enchanted Goats (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/6)(7) Wasabi AK (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/7)
</td> <td class="final"> 5th Place Game(8) Fremont 49ers (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/10)(6) Enchanted Goats (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/6)
</td> <td class="champ"> 5th Place Winner(8) Fremont 49ers (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/10)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>
</td> <td>7th Place Game(5) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/4)(7) Wasabi AK (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/7)
</td> <td>7th Place Winner(5) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2006/202492/4)
</td></tr></tbody></table>


SI

[sterlingice]

2005 League Info

Thread (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=41688)


<table class="teamtable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="first">League ID#:</td> <td class="last">428777</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">FOFC</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">dola</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Live Draft </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Tue Aug 30 8:00pm CDT </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Head-to-Head </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Start Scoring on:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Can't Cut List Provider:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yahoo! Sports </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 2 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade End Date:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> November 25, 2005 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Review:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> League Votes </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 2 days </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Post Draft Players:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Follow Waiver Rules </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoffs:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 15 and 16 (4 teams) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Roster Positions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> QB, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN </td> </tr> <!-- --> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Stat Categories:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Passing Yards (50 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (5)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Yards (15 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (5)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-1)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (4)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (4)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (4)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (1)
Fumble Recovery (1)
Touchdown (5)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Return Yards (100 yards per point)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (5)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (8)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (6)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (4)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (2)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (0)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-2) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Fractional Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Negative Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes</td></tr></tbody></table>


<table class="gametable" id="standingstable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr><th class="first rank">Rank</th> <th class="team">Team</th> <th class="wlt">W-L-T</th> <th>Pct</th> <th>Pts</th> <th>Streak</th> <th>Waiver</th> <th class="last">Moves</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="first rank">*1.</td> <td class="team">Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/3)</td> <td>11-3-0</td> <td>.786</td> <td>1462</td> <td>W-4</td> <td>9</td> <td class="last">15</td> </tr> <tr class="selected"> <td class="first rank">*2.</td> <td class="team">Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/1)</td> <td>10-3-1</td> <td>.750</td> <td>1320</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>6</td> <td class="last">33</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">*3.</td> <td class="team">Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/6)</td> <td>8-6-0</td> <td>.571</td> <td>1216</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>10</td> <td class="last">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">*4.</td> <td class="team">Tazmaniacs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/7)</td> <td>7-7-0</td> <td>.500</td> <td>1296</td> <td>L-4</td> <td>7</td> <td class="last">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">5.</td> <td class="team">Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/5)</td> <td>6-8-0</td> <td>.429</td> <td>1142</td> <td>L-3</td> <td>4</td> <td class="last">12</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">6.</td> <td class="team">You done did it (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/8)</td> <td>6-8-0</td> <td>.429</td> <td>1025</td> <td>W-4</td> <td>1</td> <td class="last">3</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">7.</td> <td class="team">bbors (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/2)</td> <td>6-8-0</td> <td>.429</td> <td>1172</td> <td>W-2</td> <td>3</td> <td class="last">5</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">8.</td> <td class="team">Jeeber's Sucky Team (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/4)</td> <td>7-7-0</td> <td>.500</td> <td>1267</td> <td>W-1</td> <td>5</td> <td class="last">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">9.</td> <td class="team">Team Pennywise (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/10)</td> <td>4-9-1</td> <td>.321</td> <td>1058</td> <td>L-1</td> <td>8</td> <td class="last">16</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="first rank">10.</td> <td class="team">Cowering Whities (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/9)</td> <td>4-10-0</td> <td>.286</td> <td>954</td> <td>L-2</td> <td>2</td> <td class="last">-</td></tr></tbody></table>


1st

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_04_48.gifRafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/3)
2nd

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_12_48.gifHouston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/1)
3rd

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/nfl/icon_06_48.gifPhilly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/6)<table id="playofftable" class="gametable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead> <tr> <th>Week 15
(Dec 13 - Dec 19)</th> <th>Week 16
(Dec 20 - Dec 26)</th> <th>
</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="semi"> Semifinal(1) Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/3)(4) Tazmaniacs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/7)
Semifinal(2) Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/1)(3) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/6)
</td> <td class="final"> Final(1) Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/3)(2) Houston Hippopotami (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/1)
</td> <td class="champ"> League Champion(1) Rafini Express (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/3)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>
</td> <td>3rd Place Game(4) Tazmaniacs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/7)(3) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/6)
</td> <td>3rd Place Winner(3) Philly Chumps (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/6)
</td></tr></tbody></table>


<table id="playofftable" class="gametable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead><tr><th>Week 15
(Dec 13 - Dec 19)</th> <th>Week 16
(Dec 20 - Dec 26)</th> <th>
</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="semi"> Semifinal(5) Jeeber's Sucky Team (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/4)(8) You done did it (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/8)
Semifinal(6) bbors (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/2)(7) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/5)
</td> <td class="final"> 5th Place Game(8) You done did it (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/8)(7) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/5)
</td> <td class="champ"> 5th Place Winner(7) Eleven Masked Men (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/5)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>
</td> <td>7th Place Game(5) Jeeber's Sucky Team (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/4)(6) bbors (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/2)
</td> <td>7th Place Winner(6) bbors (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/428777/2)
</td></tr></tbody></table>



SI

[sterlingice]

When you sign up, post a team name and number between 1 and 10 that hasn't already been chosen. I have a list of 10 numbers in a text file on my desktop and it will be the draft order- the unpicked number is mine.

If you are returning- go ahead and join the Yahoo league. If you are on the waiting list, please wait until after Saturday at midnight so we know we have a spot for you.

Again, remember- this is a slow draft online so you need to be able to check during the day or give a list pretty much every day for usually about 2 weeks. If you cannot do this, do not join!

Ok, it's time to bump this thread! Signups are underway!

Returning players from 2007 need to post a draft number here as well as a keeper vote.

Players wanting to join the waiting list also should post here and will know by Saturday at midnight if they have made it in.

Again, I can't stress this enough- look at the rules as there's a reason it's called Alternate Rules. The draft is a slow, live draft on the board with 6 hour intervals as well as shorter time limits in the morning. It requires you to be able to check online steadily for about 2 straight weeks.

SI

[sterlingice]

flere has indicated to me via PM that he wanted to be on the waiting list for the league. You can see where I've started the list in the third post.

SI

[molson]

It's a greast setup - the slow draft kind of scares me to death though, I'll have to think about it.

[sterlingice]

Basically, you can get away with checking every morning (after 8) and every evening if you're willing to do small lists. But it helps a lot if you check during the day.

SI

[Qwikshot]

I have an interest, but reading this, the draft will take place during the week, weekends are free? I get busy on the weekends.

[sterlingice]

The draft still goes on the weekends but there isn't the morning time clock. It's just a simple 6 hour clock. That said, we don't typically move that quickly over the weekends.

SI

[k0ruptr]

I'm in again - Hawaii Ha'a
I'm gonna vote no on Keeper league

Number: 3

[k0ruptr]

I've read through it 3 times, I must be retarded, but I see the post where it says if you are a returning player, go ahead and join the yahoo league. But alas I cannot find a link. lol.

[sterlingice]

Whoops- my bad. It helps if I include said link to the rules and league :p

That's in the first post now :)

SI

[k0ruptr]

ok, man I really thought I was blind. haha thanks SI

[k0ruptr]

Dola, Got it, I'm in!

I won't finish in 2nd this year, it's first or last for me! lol

[molson]

Ah, hell with it, I'm in. Enchanted Goats in for a third year. This league's too good to pass up.

Number 9

[Masked]

I'm back.

[sterlingice]

Great to see people back in! :D

Masked- I need a number from you for the draft

molson- feel free to join the Yahoo league since you're in

flere- you're also in since it's about 30 minutes to midnight and I kindof doubt we'll be getting a flood of players to fill the gap by then.

I have updated the draft post with the players information.

After midnight tonight, players are free to join the league. Please post here first with your draft number and team name

SI

[Masked]

Great to see people back in! :D

Masked- I need a number from you for the draft


SI

4

[flere-imsaho]

CHEER!

8 flere-imsaho Fiddly Cartoonists

[flere-imsaho]

dola,

Would it be safe to assume we'll be starting the draft later as we don't have a full roster of owners yet?

Also, would it be OK if I plan to set up a full preference list on Yahoo and let it pick automatically for me? I ask because my wife is out of town this week and with only me with the baby, time will be at a premium.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, it looks like we'll be delayed a little bit as we're only half full.

flere- you can join the league in Yahoo at this point. As for the draft list, since it's a slow, live draft that takes place offline, we don't do the draft in yahoo. It happens in the thread. So putting a list into Yahoo doesn't help. Usually what we do in that case- if someone can't pick, ask in the thread for someone who can pick from your list for you. Typically this would be someone at the other end of the draft so there is no potential conflict of interest. That said, at this rate, we may not be starting until next week- it's not that big of a deal as this draft is 18x10 picks long.

Post 3 has been updated with all of the teams. Looking to fill out the league- check the instructions, put the required information in a post (team name and unpicked number 1-10), and join up :)

SI

[k0ruptr]

I highly suggest people join this league, its not your run of the mill FF league, Its fun and highly competitive. Get in here people!

[molson]

I highly suggest people join this league, its not your run of the mill FF league, Its fun and highly competitive. Get in here people!

+1

It's a fun setup. You won't regret it. Bunch of slackers.

[Celeval]

WTH, why not. I'm in.

[Butter]

I'm in.

I'll take number 6.

I vote "yes" to keeper.

[Danny]

I was looking for one other league in addition to the werewolf one and I like the scoring and position requirements here a lot, so I am in with #10

[rafini]

If you still have an opening I'll get back in the league.

[sterlingice]

rafini, Danny, Butter_of_69, Celeval- welcome or welcome back! We have open spots for all of you. Put in a post with your team name and number if you haven't already. Then add yourself to the Yahoo league.

flere- go ahead and add yourself to the Yahoo league, too.

Also, any thoughts on a keeper format? As it seems like we're having a lot of new owners and no real chatter about it- I'm leaning towards "no"

It looks like we'll be starting the draft next Monday, with a soft draft period over the weekend. We now have 9 spots spoken for so there's still one opening left. Try to get signed up as soon as possible and into the Yahoo league.

SI

[Butter]

My team name is Dayton Dynamo... posted the other stuff earlier.

[rafini]

Rafini Express
7

[flere-imsaho]

OK, I signed up on Yahoo.

[Danny]

Team name Road Kill Cafe, I signed up on yahoo.

[sterlingice]

Celeval- can you pick one of the numbers that is still left (1/2/5) for draft order and sign up in Yahoo.

We still have 1 spot open as well.

SI

[Danny]

One more spot to fill!

Regarding keeper I am alright either way since it's only a small number. I would not be in favor of a lot of keepers.

[Butter]

C'mon people. I'm sure one more person hasn't met their fantasy football quota.

[sterlingice]

To be fair, this one requires people to do their homework ;)

SI

[Danny]

But you can kind of do your homework as you go at least

[sterlingice]

Yeah, Yahoo leagues make it easy. That and being a slow live draft

SI

[Butter]

What, there's homework involved? I'm out.

;)

[sterlingice]

Well, not really homework, per se. It's more about looking at the rules and adjusting your picks accordingly.

SI

[Qwikshot]

I will step up to the challenge...the Quivers are ready, and a terrible football name, I'll change it shortly...

[sterlingice]

Ok, looks like we have 10. :D

Still need a couple of little things:
*Qwikshot- pick a number (1/2/5); it will help determine your draft order (notes explain this)
*Celeval- you also need to pick a number and join the league in Yahoo

Once those are done, I'll post the draft order. Then, we can start the soft draft. From whenever that is until Monday, we can start drafting with no time limit at all. Starting next Monday, we will go on the slow, live draft schedule.

Everyone check out the rules (2 QB, lots of extra positions, rebalanced points, etc) and the draft schedule (6 hr limit, 1/2 in mornings). Both are what make this "Alternate Rules".

Looks like we will be sticking with a yearly draft. That's ok- the draft is the most fun part of this so it's cool to keep it for the entire league every year.

SI

[Qwikshot]

2

[Celeval]

Number one in your program, number one in your hearts.

[Celeval]

FYI, tomorrow I'm going to be afk all day, but will be good to go for drafting after that.

[Qwikshot]

I'm all for next Monday drafting as I'm spotty this week.

[sterlingice]

I guess that makes me #5

Here's the draft order. I'll have a post below this with the names filled in and I'll update it above

3
6
2
1
10
9
7
4
8
5

SI

[Qwikshot]

This is the earliest I've drafted in any of my leagues.

[sterlingice]

Ok, so here's the draft order:

3 k0ruptr - Hawaii Ha'a
6 Butter_of_69 - Dayton Dynamo
2 Qwikshot - Qwikshots Quivers
1 Celeval - Creeping UDFAs
10 Danny - Road Kill Cafe
9 molson - Enchanted Goats
7 rafini - Rafini Express
4 Masked - Eleven Masked Men
8 flere-imsaho - Fiddly Cartoonists
5 sterlingice - Richmond Rhinocerii

Hm... I am not keen on that 10/11 spot at all :(

In regular leagues where you can predict things, I like having a pick at the turn. But in something a bit more random like this, I'd greatly prefer a middle spot. Oh well.

SI

[sterlingice]

With the draft order, we now have a soft, live draft starting.

The rules are simple- post in this thread with your pick and I'll try to update in Yahoo as quick as possible. Here is the format:

1.1 QB Peyton Manning

You can get more elaborate if you want, but make sure to include your pick number, position, and team name. Also, if it's something like Steve Smith where there are more than 1 in the league, try to put something distinguishing like "Steve Smith, CAR"

We have no time limits on currently so if people are out of town or busy this week, no big deal. The first time a pick will be due is 2pm Monday August 24th. Whoever was up at 8am that morning will be due and at that point the clock starts.

Just some quick rules reminders:

There is a 6 hour time limit for picks. If the last person picked at 1000 ET, your pick is due at 1600 ET (4pm ET). The standard clock runs from 0800 ET to 2200 (10pm) ET.

There is an exception to the time limit that is set to encourage everyone to check once at night and once in the morning. The first pick of the day is on a different clock. If the last pick yesterday was made before 9pm, then you have 1 hour to pick the next morning (until 9am). If the last pick yesterday was made sometime after that, then you have until 10am to pick. So, in short, always check the draft board at night and in the morning due to the compressed clock.

If you don't pick, you'll get the Yahoo o-rank top player selected for you. That can be quite a problem in this league as their list will be a lot different than our list with these rules. If an owner hasn't picked- anyone can post that player's Yahoo pick here once the time limit is up.

If you miss more than 1 pick, you can be removed from the league. We want active, competitive owners.

Also, if we don't finish by the first week in September, there will be a quick draft on AIM on Monday Sept 7th. We have never gotten to that point in this league, so I'd rather we not have to start.

Again, the keeper league measure failed so we won't be doing that. Also, the rules are now set- I won't be playing with the scoring any more (you'll see there were some changes I made a couple of times before the league started to get the right balance- you can see the scoring results in the post 2 abstract).

SI

[sterlingice]

k0ruptr, the Hawaii Ha'a are on the clock

(time limit: until 2pm Monday, but you can pick any time before that)

SI

[sterlingice]

Also, for the first two rounds- might want to send a PM to the person after you until we get the draft order straight.

SI

[Danny]

5th huh

[k0ruptr]

Oh geez, me first. I don't like the pressure. but I'll come up with something.

[k0ruptr]

Alright, I'll do it. I'm not really sure this is the best idea with these rules. But I'm praying he catches a few more passes and scores more tds. Besides he helped me to a 2nd place finish in 07

Pick 1.1 - RB Adrian Peterson MIN.

[k0ruptr]

Dola, I think IMO that drafting first in this league, because of the alternate rules is a disadvantage, now waiting quite a while for my next pick I dislike.

[Butter]

I think I have to go with this pick, due to the league rules.

Pick 1.2 - RB Maurice Jones-Drew

Just please don't blow your knee out in the preseason!!!!

[Qwikshot]

So much pressure...!!!

[Qwikshot]

Quivers select:

Pick 1.3 - RB Matt Forte CHI

[Celeval]

Pick 1.4 - WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI

[Danny]

1.5 - WR Andre Johnson HOU

[sterlingice]

Yahoo draft has been updated thru 1.5

SI

[sterlingice]

Third post in the thread has also been updated

SI

[molson]

Enchanted Goats:

1.6 Drew Brees

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 1.7 - QB, Tom Brady, New England

[Masked]

Eleven Masked Men select

1.8 LaDainian Tomlinson

[k0ruptr]

interesting so far...

[sterlingice]

Yahoo is updated thru 1.8.

I'm going to be out most of the day. Anyone want to keep my 3 name list and make the picks if flere makes his at 9?

SI

[sterlingice]

Bump

SI

[Danny]

flere wants to draft Christian Okoye

[sterlingice]

He mentioned that it was him alone with the baby this week so I could see how that could cut into fantasy draft time. That's why the timer isn't on this weekend :)

SI

[k0ruptr]

I heard he actually wanted Bill belichick's hoodie.

[sterlingice]

The draft is now under way! Fiddly Cartoonists are on the clock until 1400 (2pm) ET.

The top player on the draft board for a computer pick is Michael Turner. It looks like they renamed the "Yahoo O-Rank" to "Projected" this year- that is what the list picks are based on.

SI

[flere-imsaho]

Sorry guys, not only was I alone with the baby with the wife out of town I have been a) sick since Wednesday and b) now the baby is sick, so I'm home, trying to work, and taking care of a sick baby.

Having said that, I'll have a pick out in the next 10 minutes.

[flere-imsaho]

1.9 QB Peyton Manning

[flere-imsaho]

My availability sucks today, so I've PMed SI a 3-player preference list and he can post my next pick after he posts his two.

If you take 2 of my 3 guys I'll be pissed SI!!! :D

[sterlingice]

I've been waiting that first pick to drop since about halfways through the first round and it looks like I got lucky :)

1.10 WR Randy Moss
2.01 QB Aaron Rodgers

Also, I think Rodgers will continue to put up some really nice numbers at QB and he has less question marks around his production than most of the top RBs.

SI

[molson]

Ya, Moss is probably a steal there.

[sterlingice]

As flere is still on the board, I PM'd him if he wanted to still pick rather than me use his list. If he doesn't pick or mention something in about 15 minutes, I'll go off the list.

SI

[sterlingice]

Ya, Moss is probably a steal there.

If Manning had also fallen to me, then I would have loved that base for a team. No real complaints about Rodgers, tho. Just a little less unproven with about as much upside. I like drafting the first few rounds with floor rather than ceiling in mind, tho.

SI

[sterlingice]

Looks like flere is offline now so here's his next pick:

2.2 RB Deangelo Williams - CAR

Masked, I see you online and you're up, followed by rafini who is also online, and molson who just posted :)

No rush to make your picks- I'd rather people thought about who they wanted. But also, if you're online- make sure you make your pick before you jump offline (and if you're coming up, be thinking ahead since you know mostly what the board looks like).

SI

[flere-imsaho]

Thanks SI.

[Masked]

2.3 RB Steve Slaton

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 2.4 - RB, Michael Turner, Atlanta

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and post 3 updated thru 2.4

SI

[molson]

Enchanted Goats:

2.5 WR Calvin Johnson

[Danny]

Ok I am up, will look things over, can already say damn you Molson though :)

[Qwikshot]

Looks like Danny, Celeval and myself are here

[Danny]

ok, different direction than I originally planned, but didn't expect this guy to be here.

2.6 RB Steven Jackson, STL

[Celeval]

ok, different direction than I originally planned, but didn't expect this guy to be here.

+1

2.7 RB Chris Johnson, TEN

[Qwikshot]

Dang, there goes who I wanted.

[Qwikshot]

2.8 RB Frank Gore, SanFran

[Danny]

I sent butter a pm just in case. I'm not sure if others are doing so, but I know it helps me when I get a PM about being up.

[Qwikshot]

I sent butter a pm just in case. I'm not sure if others are doing so, but I know it helps me when I get a PM about being up.

I did send one.

[Celeval]

Bump for almost six hours.

[k0ruptr]

Hmm... I'm not sure If I'm up...did his time expire?

[Danny]

His time did expire, though not sure if he is skipped and you are up or if he gets and auto pick and then you are up.

[Qwikshot]

I'm off to bed, I'm up by 4:30 to 5, so I'm hoping I'll be picking then...

[Celeval]

His time did expire, though not sure if he is skipped and you are up or if he gets and auto pick and then you are up.

If there are problems in that you know your pick is coming up but you won't be online, submit a list either to myself or to a proxy drafter for you. Otherwise, you will get the next player on Yahoo's list.

As I read these, he gets the autopick from Yahoo. Top player on Yahoo's list is:

2.9 RB Bryant Westbrook PHI

I think that should be right, and we would then move on. Objections?

If you had more than an hour the previous night (the previous pick was made at 9pm), you get 1 hour in the morning (until 9am) to make your pick. If you had less than an hour, you have 2 hours in the morning (until 10am).

2.10 would be due at 10am.

[Danny]

That should be right, so Koruptr can pick. Also, that's a mighty fine autopick with our scoring.

[k0ruptr]

Yea , nice pick for him, was thinking about him.

2.10 QB Philip Rivers SD
3.1 WR Reggie Wayne IND

[k0ruptr]

Butter is up again...

[sterlingice]

Ok, his pick is due by 10am tomorrow.

2 of the first three picks is pretty serious so if he doesn't pick, then we might be in the market for a new owner.

So, if the pick hasn't been made by 10 or we haven't heard word- *don't* autopick. I'm pretty busy tomorrow morning but we may have to come up with another owner. Speaking of which, anyone interested should PM me- there's no guarantee and I definitely want to give him a chance to pick but I also want to make sure I have all of my bases covered.

SI

[sterlingice]

Post and thread updated thru 3.1

SI

[Butter]

Sorry about missing yesterday, my work kinda cracked down on my internet access.

I'll have my pick up this morning shortly.

[Butter]

Pick 3.2 - QB Kurt Warner

[Qwikshot]

hurm...I believe it's back to me...

[Qwikshot]

Pick 3.3 - WR Roddy White

[Celeval]

Pick 3.4 - QB Tony Romo, DAL

[Danny]

3.5 WR Greg Jennings, GB

[molson]

3.6 WR Steve Smith, Car

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 3.7 - WR, Anquan Boldin, Arizona

[flere-imsaho]

Fiddly Cartoonists should be more responsive today, folks.

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 3.7

SI

[Masked]

3.9 WR Marques Colston, NO

[Masked]

3.9 WR Marques Colston, NO

3.8 WR Marques Colston

[Danny]

Looks like we can knock out several more here. I have to leave for several hours in a little bit, so hopefully we can get far enough so I can at least send someone a short list to draft for me.

[flere-imsaho]

Picking in a few moments....

[flere-imsaho]

3.9 QB Matt Ryan - ATL (Fiddly Cartoonists)

[sterlingice]

3.10 RB Brandon Jacobs
4.01 QB Matt Schaub

SI

[sterlingice]

Man, for me, it was a coin flip between Schaub and McNabb

SI

[flere-imsaho]

4.02 TE Jason Witten - DAL (Fiddly Cartoonists)

Well, someone had to do it....

[Masked]

4.03 QB Donovan McNabb

I'll take the loser of SI's coin toss

[sterlingice]

I figured one was higher upside and better weapons (Schaub) versus a more consistent performer with a little less injury history (McNabb)

SI

[sterlingice]

Thread and Yahoo updated thru 4.03

rafini - Rafini Express
molson - Enchanted Goats
Danny - Road Kill Cafe
Celeval - Creeping UDFAs

due up

SI

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 4.4 - WR, Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City

[molson]

4.5: Clinton Portis, RB, Was

One more big year!

[Danny]

Hmmm, I'm here now, will have a pick up soon

[Danny]

4.6 RB Marion Barber, DAL

[k0ruptr]

Nice pick Danny

[Celeval]

4.7 QB Carson Palmer, CIN

[Qwikshot]

4.8 QB Jay Cutler, CHI

[Qwikshot]

I sent Butter a PM

[Butter]

Pick 4.9 - TE Tony Gonzalez

[k0ruptr]

Damn, I'm really torn right now

[k0ruptr]

4.10 - RB Ronnie Brown MIA
5.1 - TE Antonio Gates SD

[Butter]

Pick 5.2 - WR Wes Welker

[Celeval]

Pick 5.2 - WR Wes Welker

Good pick. Was hoping he'd make it two more. :)

[sterlingice]

Damn, I'm really torn right now

What was the reason for being torn?

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 5.2

SI

[k0ruptr]

I was hoping to pick up my 2nd QB already but Carson didn't fall to me, and I didn't really like my options, So I decided to wait on that position.

[molson]

When you say "Yahoo is updated" - what does that mean? Are you loading these picks into the Yahoo system? Is there anyway we can see that? I've never done this kind of slow draft before, but pretty soon, we'll be at the point where I'd love to be able to sort and see who's still out there.

[Celeval]

Sign in to Yahoo! (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/427484/draftresults)

[sterlingice]

Yeah- I'm putting in the draft as we go along in Yahoo. So, if you go to "available players", you'll see who's left out there.

There is one little hitch we found out during baseball season, tho. If you search on a name, say "Manning"- it will still show Eli and Peyton (and Mario Manningham), even tho Peyton has already been picked. So the search shows you all players- available *and* taken.

SI

[Danny]

Nice pick Danny

Thanks!

Oh and I was really hoping Gates would fall to my next pick

[Qwikshot]

5.3 QB Matt Cassel KC

[Celeval]

5.4 TE Dallas Clark, IND

[Danny]

Will have a pick up shortly

[Danny]

5.5 QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT

[molson]

5.6 Eli Manning, QB, NYG

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 5.6

SI

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 5.7 - QB, Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle

[Masked]

5.8 WR Terrell Owens, BUF

[flere-imsaho]

5.9 RB Ryan Grant - GB (Fiddly Cartoonists)

[sterlingice]

Couldn't have just let Grant fall one more to me, could you have :(

5.10 RB Kevin Smith
6.01

Smith's not a bad consolation prize but I'd have preferred Grant as he's in a better situation.

SI

[flere-imsaho]

So you're selecting the invisible man at 6.01?

[sterlingice]

Whoops, I forgot to put my 6.01 pick. Not a big fan of his, but hoping he gets back to his "Chad Johnson" numbers:

6.01 WR Chad Ochocinco

There were about 5 different WRs on the board at this point with some interesting plusses and minuses. He easily has the highest upside, but also has a medium amount of risk.

SI

[flere-imsaho]

6.02 WR T.J. Houshmanzadeh - SEA (Fiddly Cartoonists)

[sterlingice]

He would have been my second choice. It will be interesting to see which combo plays out better across the season. Grant + Housh or Smith + 85.

SI

[Masked]

6.03 TE Jeremy Shockey, NO

Time to gamble - if he's healthy, he'll get consistent receptions in NO's offense

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 6.4 - RB, Pierre Thomas, New Orleans

[flere-imsaho]

I still can't believe he actually changed his name to "Chad Ochocinco". :D

[sterlingice]

Well, he was joking about Esteban Ochocinco after his kicking experience the other night

SI

[Danny]

Boo, Molson left

[molson]

Back! I would have been faster if not for rafini spoiling my plans.

This was a very tough pick but...

Enhanted Goats select:

6.5 Darren McFadden, RB, OAK

[Danny]

6.6 WR Roy Williams, DAL

This is the receiver I was hoping would make it back around to me.

[Danny]

But I probably had the same group of WR as Sterling Ice, so I am happy that a few were left to choose from

[Celeval]

The 2nd tier receiver list is certainly interesting, but we're going in a different direction for one more round, at least...

6.7 TE Kellen Winslow, TB

[sterlingice]

But I probably had the same group of WR as Sterling Ice, so I am happy that a few were left to choose from

There are still 3 left (more like 2.5) but, yeah, he was one

SI

[Danny]

There are still 3 left (more like 2.5) but, yeah, he was one

SI

There are still 3 left on my list as well, though the 3rd is someone I preferred not to take.

[Celeval]

There are still 3 left on my list as well, though the 3rd is someone I preferred not to take.

I have four. Does that make me more or less smart...? :)

[k0ruptr]

Holy geez my list that I was hoping would make it back down to me Is completely wiped out haha.

[sterlingice]

I wrote some notes on my list of WRs and RBs that were available for my last pick- I'll probably post them after it gets back to me next time around since most will be gone, I imagine.

SI

[Danny]

What's funny is your reason for picking Chad was exactly how I felt about Roy regarding him being the one with the most upside.

[k0ruptr]

Ok, Got a new short list that I actually wouldn't mind these players hoping they fall...

[Qwikshot]

6.8 Anthony Gonzales WR, INDY

[Qwikshot]

er Gonzalez sorry

[Butter]

Pick 6.9 - WR Vincent Jackson, San Diego

[k0ruptr]

Damn I thought for sure I would have Rivers to Jackson and Gates, woulda really had to root for the chargers every damn game haha. Kinda glad I'm not going that route, but woulda been interesting

[k0ruptr]

6.10 - QB David Garrard JAX
7.1 - WR DeSean Jackson PHI

I'm not all that happy here, but I think they are solid with more upside than downside.

[Butter]

Pick 7.2 - DEF/ST Pittsburgh Steelers

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and post updated thru 7.2

SI

[Qwikshot]

Pick 7.3 Eddie Royal

[Celeval]

Boom or bust...

7.4 - WR Brandon Marshall, DEN

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 7.4

SI

[k0ruptr]

I almost took Marshall as well...

[Celeval]

I thought long and hard about Marshall... could be a horrific season for him, particularly if the hamstring continues to act up. I don't think he'll have 100 catches again, but if he ends up with 75-ish with 1000 yards receiving and a respectable number of touchdowns, it'll be a good pick.

[Danny]

7.5 TE Greg Olsen, CHI

[Danny]

Marshall is a good pick

[molson]

Enchanted Goats

7.6. TE Owen Daniels, HOU

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 7.07 - TE, Chris Cooley, Washington

[sterlingice]

Geez- so much for getting a competent TE :(

SI

[k0ruptr]

I think there is a couple surprises still out there for TE

[sterlingice]

Yeah, but I think we're still in the "reach" territory for them at this point. I'll have to look a little closer at it as it's getting close to my pick, but nothing on the board really jumps out to me. That said, I still need quite a few other guys so I have lots to draft ;)

SI

[k0ruptr]

I'm gonna sleep, as its 3:30 am hawaii time, just got back from a poker game. good luck with your picks people.

[Masked]

Pretty much everyone I thought would fall to my next pick didn't so I'll gamble again.


7.08 RB Reggie Bush, NO

[flere-imsaho]

7.09 WR Braylon Edwards, CLE

[sterlingice]

Still pondering picks- will be ready in about 10 or so minutes

SI

[sterlingice]

Sorry, got dragged away at work. That was an awfully long 10 minutes :(

7.10 QB Trent Edwards
8.01 TE John Carlson

Not exactly huge points of need but great value and there are still a lot of WRs out there. Edwards and Orton was another coin flip for me.

SI

[flere-imsaho]

8.02 TE Anthony Fasano - MIA

[Masked]

8.03 QB Kyle Orton, Den

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 8.3.

My posting schedule is going to get a bit squirrelly thru the end of the weekend. I have to go in to work tonight from 9 until who knows, probably around 5 or 6am then sleep until around noonish. Then work on Saturday from 9am until not sure and will probably catch up one some missed sleep at that point. (And then I'm on call next week but that shouldn't be too bad until next weekend)

SI

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 8.04 - RB, Larry Johnson, Kansas City

[molson]

I like that pick - I was actually hoping he might slide another around. He's still the only game in town there and it's hard to imagine he's just done after 1,200 carries.

[flere-imsaho]

Same here - he was on my shortlist for another pick.

[molson]

Enchanted Goats:

8.05 Zach Miller, TE, Oak

[Danny]

Will have a pick up in just a few

[Danny]

8.6 WR Santonio Holmes, PIT

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 8.6

SI

[sterlingice]

Oh, hey- here were some thoughts I had mentioned and scribbled down prior to my picks at 5/6 (I went with KSmith and Chad Johnson). Most of the guys are off the board by now and those that aren't, I probably overvalued as they haven't been picked over two and a half rounds later.

I'll be curious to see how some of these thoughts play out

At my picks, it was between
Kevin Smith - picked
Pierre Thomas - nagging fear of Reggie Bush taking his job for some reason
Reggie Bush - nagging fear of Pierre Thomas keeping his job
Thomas Jones - just never been all that impressed- it seems like he's always on the verge of losing his job
Joseph Addai - Injuries and Donald Brown waiting in the wings
Marshawn Lynch - Nice way to lose 3 games, dufus

For WR, it was even harder
Chad Ochocinco - did he just get old all of a sudden or did missing Palmer just kill his stats; easily the highest ceiling
TJ Houshm-- yeah, him- would have been my second pick, new situation but could be very good one
Brandon Marshall - malcontented, probably not in good shape because of that
Vincent Jackson - may have been a mistake; still not quite buying into him yet
Lee Evans - not sure what TO's going to do to his numbers
Roy Williams - has only had one really nice year and just didn't fit last year in Dallas

SI

[molson]

I was hoping to snag both Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. That didn't work out.

The last thing I expected to do was take 2 TEs in the 1st 8 picks. But I really like Zach Miller and Owen Daniels, and they were there for the taking. So now I (hopefully) won't have to deal with the week-to-week TE dregs, hoping for a random TD or a couple of catches like I usually do in fantasy football.

Very fun draft.

[sterlingice]

It's always a crazy league because you have to be strong across all positions. There's no mad scramble for RBs and pray for no injuries or the usual nonsense.

I was describing this to one of the guys in my office who plays fantasy football and wasn't enthused because it was a bit outside of the norm so he threw out "So how do you win? Have the least guys who don't get hurt?", clearly not understanding. I responded with "You have to have the best overall team, not just the silly running back roulette you play with."

At the end of the day- when the top 100 players are pretty evenly split between QB, RB, and WR, it's a lot of picking the best available on the board and making sure they fit into your team.

SI

[Danny]

Definitely a very fun and interesting draft. I don't really like the standard 1 Qb, 2 RB, etc... leagues, so am very happy to be in this one. So far I have stuck to my strategy pretty well, though had to make a couple adjustments.

As a comparison to Sterlingice, my WR list from back them looked like this.

Chad Ochocinco - I think he will be good, but I don't see him having the same upside as Sterlingice does.

TJ Housh-- Very solid pick, but still a new team and not the youngest WR

Brandon Marshall - Not someone I really want in general, plus with this drama and having a new QB, is a risky choice.

Vincent Jackson - Decent

Lee Evans - Question of TO taking some of his numbers.

Roy Williams - Actually put up some pretty darn impressive PPG numbers considering the ineptude of the quarterbacks and offenses he was in. Obviously the fact he has missed a few games in 3 out of 4 season is a negative, and hot got hurt today and is done for the preseason for sure. Also I think getting dropped into Dallas when he did took some adjusting. I think he will fit in a lot better this year. And with the potential injury issue aside, I think he was primed for a big year being the #1 receiver in by far the most prolific offense he has been. I think he has (if he is healthy) a shot at top 10 WR numbers.

Overall receivers usually hit their peak around years 4 and 5 or so. I wanted receivers I felt were on the upswing and not ones that were trying to hold on as they got into their 30's. Obviously my drafting of WR has followed that. Johnson is entering his 7th year and is 28, Jennings entering 4th season and is 25. Williams entering 6th year and is 27 and Holmes entering his 4th season at 25.

[Danny]

Just read Williams x-rays are negative, so he is done for preseason, but maybe he will be ok for week 1 or 2.

[k0ruptr]

I have similar strategies, but if my Gut instinct tells me someone is going to have a bounce back year, or decline etc. I follow it more than I probably should, but it usually does me pretty well. I'm very high on OchoCinco this year, was hoping to get him.

[Butter]

I'm pretty high on Chad OC as well, but as a Bengals fan I am trying to stay away from their players, just assuming that I am personally overvaluing them all. I think Palmer is due for a great year as well.

V. Jackson I thought was a bargain at the end of round 6. Braylon Edwards scared me because of his many ongoing issues. I witnessed him drop 2 more easily catchable balls in their preseason opener, so that doesn't inspire confidence. Was kind of hoping that Anthony Gonzalez and Kyle Orton would fall to me, but that didn't happen.

And there are some guys I just wasn't going to pick: Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Clinton Portis, LT, Larry Johnson. For a variety of reasons.

It's been a lot of fun following and playing along so far, hopefully the league will be equally fun.

Now if someone would make a pick, I'm dying to get my 8th and 9th rounders in here.

[Celeval]

8.7 WR Lee Evans, BUF

I'm actually expecting him to have similar numbers, as he seems to do well in the #2 receiver role.

[Qwikshot]

8.8 TE Dustin Keller, NYJ

[Butter]

Pick 8.9 - QB Chad Pennington, Miami

[Butter]

k0ruptr, it's a little late out in Hawaii, ain't it?

[k0ruptr]

Yea, I'm sleeping in a few mins, but I'll pick first :)

[k0ruptr]

8.10 WR Hines Ward PITT
9.1 WR Torry Holt JAX

[k0ruptr]

Dola, I really really think Holt is gonna have a great year in jax...He's still got it IMO

[Butter]

Pick 9.2 - WR Santana Moss, WSH

[Qwikshot]

Pick 9.3 RB Ray Rice, BALT

[Celeval]

9.4 RB Joseph Addai, IND

[sterlingice]

I'm pretty high on Chad OC as well, but as a Bengals fan I am trying to stay away from their players, just assuming that I am personally overvaluing them all. I think Palmer is due for a great year as well.

I think Palmer will have a really nice year- top 10ish if not top 5ish, if he can stay healthy. He is that good and he has decent weapons around him and the running game is absolute crap. But he's already gimping around in the preseason so that has me a bit worried.

SI

[sterlingice]

Dola, I really really think Holt is gonna have a great year in jax...He's still got it IMO

I hope you're right (just not right enough to beat my team)- I always kindof liked him and he just seemed to fall off the earth last year. However, St Louis isn't an enviable situation for anyone. He and Avery make an interesting dichotomous pair as they're valued about the same in mock drafts and ADPs which means there's a fair sized camp that thinks St Louis was the problem and one that thinks Holt was getting old.

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 9.4

SI

[sterlingice]

Due up:

Danny - Road Kill Cafe
molson - Enchanted Goats
rafini - Rafini Express
Masked - Eleven Masked Men
flere-imsaho - Fiddly Cartoonists
sterlingice - Richmond Rhinocerii

SI

[Danny]

I'm here, sorry guys, I woke up late.

[Danny]

9.5 RB Knowshon Moreno, DEN


Has the sprained MCL and is reported that he won't be 100% for week 1, but since he is my 3rd RB, I'm hoping he'll pay dividends as the season progresses. I don't like drafting a bronco, but Moreno is the best of the rookie backs and I think he has a good chance to perform like a top 10 RB as we get into the season.

Also, Williams is just day to day, so some good news there.

Oh and I was looking at Ray Rice too, I think that was a great pick.

[Celeval]

Oh, good. I can't stand drafting recent Georgia grads, and would have been forced to consider Moreno next round. ;)

[Danny]

heh, Addai was a better pick for you anyway.

[molson]

Enchanted Goats:

9.6 RB Marshawn Lynch, Buf

If it wasn't for the suspension, he'd be gone by now, and as a 3rd RB, I hopefully wouldn't have needed in him the 1st 3 weeks anyway. So I'm happy to get him here.

[Danny]

I chose between Lynch and Moreno for my pick, so that is a good choice here too.

[Butter]

I think Palmer will have a really nice year- top 10ish if not top 5ish, if he can stay healthy. He is that good and he has decent weapons around him and the running game is absolute crap. But he's already gimping around in the preseason so that has me a bit worried.

Yeah, his injury is definitely troubling as a fan. It looked like a very minor sprained ankle at the time, but he's going to have missed almost the entire preseason by the end of it. After the shoulder and the knee problems, it's more than a little concerning.

[Celeval]

I've got some concern as well, now that I've drafted him, but I have to think they're also being extremely cautious given his injury history. No need to rush him back into the mix before the regular season begins.

[rafini]

Rafini Express selects:

Pick 9.07 - WR, Antonio Bryant, Tampa Bay

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 9.7

SI

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9.8 TE Bo Scaife, Tenn

[flere-imsaho]

9.9 WR Derrick Mason - BAL

[k0ruptr]

Mason should give excellent value there flere, good pick imo

[flere-imsaho]

TANKU

BTW, I'm probably going to be offline for a while, so I PMed SI a list of three players for my next pick.

[Celeval]

Boom or bust...

7.4 - WR Brandon Marshall, DEN

Edging closer to bust... suspended for the rest of the preseason. Well, at least he'll be fresh.

[sterlingice]

Unfortunately for flere, the top pick on his list was the top pick on my list (and now I have him both in this and the FOFC Keeper League)

9.10 WR Bernard Berrian, MIN
10.1 WR Kevin Walter, HOU

I had 3 WRs, an RB, and a TE out there but I thought the WRs were the most reliable of the bunch this time around.

Flere didn't have my other WR on his list, but he did have this one as his second choice (after Berrian)

10.2 WR Devin Hester - CHI

SI

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10.3 WR Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ