Football betting discussion thread

[Lathum]

I know we have some bettors here. And even if you don't bet and want to comment on the lines that would be great.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I know we have some bettors here. And even if you don't bet and want to comment on the lines that would be great.

I placed a $20 bet before I left Vegas last week that Mizzou would win the BCS title. Pays off $1,520 on the $20 bet if it happens. :D

[Lathum]

The lines that jump out at me this week are

Navy at OSU. OSU -21.5

San Jose at USC. USC -34- Freshman QB worries me a bit, but they are a machine and are going to want to make a statement before going into OSU week 2.


Buffalo at UTEP. Buffalo +8. They may not win but they will keep it close.


LSU at Washington. LSU-17.5. Sadly my first game as a UW student will be a slaughter. I can't believe this line is only 17.5. UW loses by 35.

[molson]

Syracuse +6 v. Minnesota seems really low. I would be stunned if the Orange don't lose by more than a TD.

[Cuckoo]

Only just started to look at a few of the games with teams I know fairly well. I'm taking OSU -5 1/2 against Georgia, I think. And I'm intrigued by that Oregon/Boise State game. I'd love to hear thoughts from the more experienced bettors on it.

[Lathum]

Anyone taking games tonight?

I like Utah st +22.5
Under 46 in the NC State-USC game
Over 64 in Boise-Oregeon
Boise -4

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Which betting service and online bank do you use?

[Lathum]

Which betting service and online bank do you use?

I use Bodog and the all access pre paid visa card

[CU Tiger]

I Like SC getting points against NCSU. I see this as a backwards line.

Over in BSU OU

[lynchjm24]

I use Bodog and the all access pre paid visa card

I used to love bodog but read all the horror stories online now.... but you've had good luck?

[Recoil]

Tonight I have...

North Texas +17
Oregon +3

Haven't made my Saturday bets yet, but I'm leaning hard on UGA +4 1/2 and Wake Forest -2.

[Lathum]

I used to love bodog but read all the horror stories online now.... but you've had good luck?

never had any issues

[lynchjm24]

never had any issues

I never did back in the day either. I did a little research and it sounds like they have fixed the issues around February of this year and now pay very well. They had an 18 month or so stretch that had a 40 business day wait if you were lucky.

I pretty much just make $25 and $50 bets, so it's not like they would end up having a reason not to pay me. I did hit 7 parts of a $10 8-team parlay once and missed the over/under on the 8th game by 2 points. It paid some ridiculous amount like $7,000.

[Recoil]

Right now I'm glad I jumped on the BSU/Oregon Under 64 at the last minute.

[Lathum]

Off to a good start going 33/4. I should have known better than to buy the over Kool Aid. Early games never get that high.

I am looking at Tulsa tonigh -14. IIRC they smoker Tulane last year and can score in bunches

[JeeberD]

Tulsa's also starting a brand new QB, FWIW...

[Cuckoo]

I am looking at Tulsa tonigh -14. IIRC they smoker Tulane last year and can score in bunches

Yeah, as Jeeber said, Tulsa's starting a new QB. I think they'll win, but instead I put a bit on the under at 62. I also think I'm going with that LSU -17 too.

[dervack]

I used to love bodog but read all the horror stories online now.... but you've had good luck?
Payout takes a long time, especially if you use CC. I requested a payout. It said it would take up to 20-25 business days. They mailed it on the 23rd business day.

[lynchjm24]

Payout takes a long time, especially if you use CC. I requested a payout. It said it would take up to 20-25 business days. They mailed it on the 23rd business day.

How long ago? This thread is showing some quick payments. I saw other boards where the payments sound quick, the biggest issue they have had is 9 days to clear from a Canadian bank.

Official Bodog payout thread for US players - Page 132 - Internet Poker - Online Poker Forum (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/official-bodog-payout-thread-us-players-1553/index132.html)

[dervack]

A while ago. It seems that it's gotten a lot better.

[Vegas Vic]

It's a long season, but my first major bet is Minnesota -6.5 over Syracuse. The line has moved to -7 at most places.

Syracuse has a new coach, new system, and barely enough players to fill their roster after new head coach Doug Marrone dismissed 16 players from last year's team. Additionally, they are starting basketball player Greg Paulus at QB, who hasn't taken a snap in live action in four years.

I think there's good value with Minnesota, who lost a lot of public support with five consecutive losses to end the 2008 season. They have superior talent in this matchup, and I think they'll get the cover.

[Lathum]

LSU -17 will be my first big bet. Jake hasn't played in a long time and UW just can't match up.

[lynchjm24]

It's a long season, but my first major bet is Minnesota -6.5 over Syracuse. The line has moved to -7 at most places.

Syracuse has a new coach, new system, and barely enough players to fill their roster after new head coach Doug Marrone dismissed 16 players from last year's team. Additionally, they are starting basketball player Greg Paulus at QB, who hasn't taken a snap in live action in four years.

I think there's good value with Minnesota, who lost a lot of public support with five consecutive losses to end the 2008 season. They have superior talent in this matchup, and I think they'll get the cover.

I'm going to get back on the gambling horse with Vic's lock of the week.

[mckerney]

It's a long season, but my first major bet is Minnesota -6.5 over Syracuse. The line has moved to -7 at most places.

Syracuse has a new coach, new system, and barely enough players to fill their roster after new head coach Doug Marrone dismissed 16 players from last year's team. Additionally, they are starting basketball player Greg Paulus at QB, who hasn't taken a snap in live action in four years.

I think there's good value with Minnesota, who lost a lot of public support with five consecutive losses to end the 2008 season. They have superior talent in this matchup, and I think they'll get the cover.

If Minnesota doesn't win this game by at least 10 it will bring serious question to if this team can accomplish what is expected of them this year. Looking at the Syracuse team is reminds me of the 2007 Minnesota team with the number of players lost and coming off a bad season with a new coach. Add to that the major question that is Paulus playing QB and Adam Weber should be able to go out and get you your money.

[Vegas Vic]

I'm going to get back on the gambling horse with Vic's lock of the week.

I appreciate the support, but just to set the record straight, there's no such thing as a lock. Based on historical results, I expect to win about 60% of my plays, which means that I lose about 40% of the time.

[Lathum]

4/5 to start the season

[Lathum]

So I bit on USC -34.5. I also took the under 57 in the Georgia-OSU game. I also took the over 59 in the Illini-Mizzou game

[Vegas Vic]

Well, I was totally wrong on Paulus, as he played a hell of a game, with Syracuse getting the cover.

I also lost on Penn State -27, after they scored 31 in the first half and didn't score in the second half. I did cash with Notre Dame -14, and Oklahoma State/Georgia under 62 is looking good late in the 4th quarter.

[mckerney]

Well, I was totally wrong on Paulus, as he played a hell of a game, with Syracuse getting the cover.

I also lost on Penn State -27, after they scored 31 in the first half and didn't score in the second half. I did cash with Notre Dame -14, and Oklahoma State/Georgia under 62 is looking good late in the 4th quarter.

Paulus played better than I'd thought he would, but Minnesota played horrible today. Didn't help that on top of all the other mistakes Weber played the worst game I've ever seen from him.

[Cuckoo]

It's been a very good day for me. I'm 4/4 so far with Oklahoma State -5 1/2 over Georgia, Missouri +6 1/2 against Illinois, under 60 1/2 Nevada/Notre Dame and Texas A&M -14 1/2 over New Mexico. Not too shabby to start the football season.

Still have LSU and the spread tonight.

[lynchjm24]

I appreciate the support, but just to set the record straight, there's no such thing as a lock. Based on historical results, I expect to win about 60% of my plays, which means that I lose about 40% of the time.

I read this after we lost. :)

I had UConn -4 to get back even for the day.

Don't worry, I'm kidding. Minnesota had a chance to put them away early and didn't. Either Paulus is pretty good or Minnesota is pretty bad.

[Bigsmooth]

I really like Ole Miss tonight at -18. That said, my only impression of them is the bowl game last year versus Texas Tech (Cotton?) and I was really impressed. I think they will come out and make a statement versus Memphis. I'm probably going to do a 6 point teaser like so:

Ole Miss -12
Miami +12.5

[Lathum]

I'm running with Ole Miss tonight also.

[Bigsmooth]

I'm running with Ole Miss tonight also.

Just noticed this game kicks off in a half hour. Sweet.

[larrymcg421]

I know I'm biased, but 12.5 points seems like an awfully lot to give Miami in a series that hasn't had a final score of that margin since 2001, and you have to go all the way back to 1997 when FSU won by that much.

[Recoil]

Got Ole Miss -10 for the 1st half.

[Lathum]

Looks like Ole Miss' prevent defense is gonna fuck us here

[Lathum]

nice late cover with the turnovers

[Lathum]

Threw in a late bet for the over on the Colorado-CSU game, over 51. Have a feeling it's gonna be a barn burner.

[Bigsmooth]

I know I'm biased, but 12.5 points seems like an awfully lot to give Miami in a series that hasn't had a final score of that margin since 2001, and you have to go all the way back to 1997 when FSU won by that much.

Yeah, technically I'm saying that I don't think Miami will lose by 13. I actually didn't tease it. Went with a parlay of Ole Miss -18 and Miami +6.5. So far so good...

[lynchjm24]

Doesn't seem like Rutgers should be laying 5 to Cincinnati. Although I see that +170 on the money line for the Bearcats and i'm interested.

[lynchjm24]

What is more American then spending Labor day wagering on exciting baseball action while waiting for the late football games?

I like that a simple parlay on Tampa in Game 1 with Toronto -1.5 brings back 6.5:1.

[Lathum]

I'm waiting forthem to post the CFL lines

[lynchjm24]

I checked out the tennis lines because I had on the US Open Mix channel for a few minutes. $100 on Federer today brings back $2.40.

[Lathum]

I checked out the tennis lines because I had on the US Open Mix channel for a few minutes. $100 on Federer today brings back $2.40.

lol

[sterlingice]

Anyone with a decent Rutgers-Cincy preview from a "betting" standpoint? I'm thinking of going with Rutgers (just to win- no points or anything) in ESPN's Streak for the Cash as they look like a pretty hefty favorite at anywhere from 4.5 to 6.5. Is there some reason I should stay away from the game?

SI

[Bigsmooth]

From what I've read, Cincy only has 1 starter back on a D that is switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Meanwhile, Rutgers is breaking in a new QB but has all 5 monster Olineman and 3 returning RB's. Cincy has studs returning at QB and WR. I like the OVER (47.5). So, I teased (6 pointer) with OVER 41.5 and Cincy +10.5. We shall see...

[lynchjm24]

Anyone with a decent Rutgers-Cincy preview from a "betting" standpoint? I'm thinking of going with Rutgers (just to win- no points or anything) in ESPN's Streak for the Cash as they look like a pretty hefty favorite at anywhere from 4.5 to 6.5. Is there some reason I should stay away from the game?

SI

Cinci is breaking in 10 new starters on defense and Rutgers is breaking in a new Quarterback plus others at key positions.

Kelly is a better gameday coach then Schiano.

I'm going with Cincinnati on the money line at +170.

I honestly don't know who is going to win, but I don't think Rutgers should be so heavily favored.

[lynchjm24]

I ended up with Cinci on m/l parlayed with over. I liked that first drive.

[Bigsmooth]

Yeah this is going exactly as I imagined it would, thus far. Sweet.

[lynchjm24]

Yeah this is going exactly as I imagined it would, thus far. Sweet.

Nice combination by Cinci there... total mayhem on a running attempt and a terrible interception back to back...

[Bigsmooth]

The over is looking real good at this point. Nati might get it by themselves.

[lynchjm24]

Bigsmooth you have a pick in the late game? I sort of like Miami +200 on m/l.

[Bigsmooth]

Yeah, I have a couple bets riding on Miami. I have Miami +6.5 in one and need UNDER 53.5 in another. I feel like this will be a sloppy, grind it out type game with too much speed on each defense for either offense to contend with. Only way it goes OVER is if there are a bunch of turnovers, which is pretty likely actually.

[lynchjm24]

I parlayed Miami on the $line with the under... not sure if a quick TD is good or bad...

[Bigsmooth]

Yeah, hopefully these defenses settle in.

[Recoil]

Yeah, I have a couple bets riding on Miami. I have Miami +6.5 in one and need UNDER 53.5 in another. I feel like this will be a sloppy, grind it out type game with too much speed on each defense for either offense to contend with. Only way it goes OVER is if there are a bunch of turnovers, which is pretty likely actually.

What book did you get the FSU/Miami under 53.5?

[Lathum]

What book did you get the FSU/Miami under 53.5?

Must be a teaser.

I got them under 47

[Recoil]

Must be a teaser.

I got them under 47

That's what I was thinking. I got 47.5 on the game.

[Bigsmooth]

Yep, 6 point teaser.

[Cuckoo]

Thanks to lynchjim. I was thinking of taking the money line on Cincy and decided to when he posted.

[Recoil]

Took Miami +3 in the second half and getting my money back plus a little more on my under bet. Crazy game.

[Bigsmooth]

That was a great game. Luckily, I pulled out the bigger of my two bets with Miami covering the 6.5. I really need to follow Bill Simmons' advice and lay off on taking UNDER's. You never wanna watch a game and cheer for nothing to happen...not a good vibe and I rarely hit on them.

[lynchjm24]

I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but I had every intention of taking Miami and the under, instead I had Miami and the over. I'll chalk it up to the subconscious being stronger then the conscious.

[lynchjm24]

Thanks to lynchjim. I was thinking of taking the money line on Cincy and decided to when he posted.

You could have doubled up again on Miami +200.

I love moneyline dogs. I think maybe I'll just bet them across the board in the NFL since I'm useless with the pointspreads.

[Cuckoo]

You could have doubled up again on Miami +200.

I love moneyline dogs. I think maybe I'll just bet them across the board in the NFL since I'm useless with the pointspreads.

Yeah, I didn't do the moneyline, but I ended up grabbing them at +6.5 at the last minute. Overall for the weekend I was 6 of 7, I think, with my only miss being LSU at Washington.

[Bigsmooth]

You could have doubled up again on Miami +200.

I love moneyline dogs. I think maybe I'll just bet them across the board in the NFL since I'm useless with the pointspreads.

That's smart. So many underdog's have won outright in the NFL the last couple of seasons. What do you all think about Week 1 NFL lines? So far I really like the Seahawks (-8 or so) to cover against the Rams. Looks like Bulger is out and Boller will be starting. Qwest will be INSANE and the offense should be able to go up and down the field despite the Rams decent front 7.

[lynchjm24]

That's smart. So many underdog's have won outright in the NFL the last couple of seasons. What do you all think about Week 1 NFL lines? So far I really like the Seahawks (-8 or so) to cover against the Rams. Looks like Bulger is out and Boller will be starting. Qwest will be INSANE and the offense should be able to go up and down the field despite the Rams decent front 7.

I'm a much bigger college fan then pro. Looking though I like Cincinnati and the over in the Giants game so far.

Before that though I really like Georgia Tech on Thursday. Saturday I like UNC so far. Might like Notre Dame and potentially Western Michigan.

[Bigsmooth]

Just saw that Cincinnati is only a 4 point favorite at home over the Broncos. That's even with the chance Orton will be out. Think I'm gonna pounce on that one. With Palmer back, I think the Bengals will surprise some people. Haven't looked at the college lines yet.

[lynchjm24]

Just saw that Cincinnati is only a 4 point favorite at home over the Broncos. That's even with the chance Orton will be out. Think I'm gonna pounce on that one. With Palmer back, I think the Bengals will surprise some people. Haven't looked at the college lines yet.

I'm just straight Anti-Denver, that's a team in some serious trouble.

[CU Tiger]

Before that though I really like Georgia Tech on Thursday.


LETS BET A SIGNATURE ON IT....

[lynchjm24]

LETS BET A SIGNATURE ON IT....

I actually like Clemson, one of my best friends went there and I've been down to Death Valley 3 times. That's why I can see Thursday's loss coming :).

[Lathum]

so is Spiller out for sure?

[Lathum]

I like the over in the Steelers-Titans game tonight. I think Pitt lays it on them thick.

[B & B]

Spiller is playing for sure. He sat out the 2h in last weeks snoozer to be ready. No, hes not 100% but he wont miss this game.

[Neuqua]

I took Tennessee +7 (bought the hook).. And am leaning Clemson +5...

[Lathum]

I took Clemson +5.5 and the over 36 in the Pitt game

[lynchjm24]

I've got Tech, the Clemson Tigers are the only tigers in nature that lay eggs.

I'm with you guys on the Pittsburgh over.

[Lathum]

Clemson not looking great right now. Awesome field position 3 times ans nothing. Down 14-0 on the road with a young QB. Ugh

[lynchjm24]

Clemson not looking great right now. Awesome field position 3 times ans nothing. Down 14-0 on the road with a young QB. Ugh

And people thought Tommy Bowden was bad.

[Lathum]

well thats 6 points off the board in the Titans game

[Neuqua]

well thats 6 points off the board in the Titans game

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Lathum]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

cost me the first half over.

I also have a parlay with the over in that game and the college game. At least the half ended better

[Cuckoo]

I blew my first pro bet with Pittsburgh last night too. I'm looking at a couple for this weekend. What do you think?

Eagles -2
Vikings -4
Edit: Oh, and I already took Cincy. I'm with the crowd here on that one.

And then in college, I have no idea which way to go on that ND/Michigan game but might put some on USC against Ohio State, even though it's moved to 7 now. Don't know much about Toledo, but I have to think Colorado is better than they played last week, so I might go for a parlay on that and another game I know very little about, like North Carolina.

Also, am I the only one that thinks the over on the Tennessee/UCLA game looks good?

[Lathum]

I would be worried about taking the Eagles and Vikings both as road favorites.

Cinci looks like a good bet, especially considering the Orton situation.

The USC game makes me nervous. Freshman QB, etc...

Toledo got smoked last week but I could see them getting fired up for this game. Big 12 opponent, home game, national TV. I can see an upset here. They lost 52-31 last week so I would be inclined to take the over 54 here. If you really like Colorado maybe tease them to +3 over 47

As for UNC, again a road favorite makes me nervous. Randy Etsall (sp?) is a great coach and will have his team ready at home.

Bodog hasn't put up an over/under for the UCLA game yet.

[Lathum]

dola- I think Notre Dame rolls here.

[Cuckoo]

BetJamaica has the over/under on UCLA/Tennessee at 44 1/2.

[Lathum]

BetJamaica has the over/under on UCLA/Tennessee at 44 1/2.

that seems very low

[lynchjm24]

I'm all over North Carolina.

3 of the others I like are ND, USC, Colorado. I also like Western Michigan.

I blew my first pro bet with Pittsburgh last night too. I'm looking at a couple for this weekend. What do you think?

Eagles -2
Vikings -4
Edit: Oh, and I already took Cincy. I'm with the crowd here on that one.

And then in college, I have no idea which way to go on that ND/Michigan game but might put some on USC against Ohio State, even though it's moved to 7 now. Don't know much about Toledo, but I have to think Colorado is better than they played last week, so I might go for a parlay on that and another game I know very little about, like North Carolina.

Also, am I the only one that thinks the over on the Tennessee/UCLA game looks good?

[Cuckoo]

I'm all over North Carolina.

3 of the others I like are ND, USC, Colorado. I also like Western Michigan.

Good to hear. With the exception of Western Michigan, I think I'm going with all of the others, as well as the over on UCLA/Tennessee.

[lynchjm24]

Randy Etsall

Edsall. All sorts of problems at quarterback though. The starter Fraser is a ND transfer who was a big prospect out of PA but was just brutal last week against Ohio. He's thrown 9 INT's in 4 starts and the only time he really moved the offense at all last year was @ Rutgers and they still only managed to score 10 points.

Of course I will be there and part of the point of my bet is to make me feel a little bit better if UConn loses.

[lynchjm24]

It seems funny but I like Duke in a pick'em at Army. Since I'm out early tomorrow I went:

Duke Pick'em
Colorado -4
UNC -4 & -4.5 (got it early in the week and again today)
WMU + 1.5 (got an extra hook there by waiting)
ND - 3

[Neuqua]

Colorado/Toledo u54.5

[Lathum]

Colorado/Toledo u54.5

heh, I took the over.

[Neuqua]

heh, I took the over.

Apparently you're not the only one, the line has jumped a full point to 55.5, dang.

[henry296]

that seems very low

Wasn't TN/UCLA low scoring last year?

[Lathum]

anyone wanna bet that missed 2 point conversion screws me

[Bigsmooth]

Here's how I'm rolling tomorrow:

6-point teaser (3 team)

UW -14.5
Like UW to roll here versus Idaho. Seems like a trap game, however that is not the case. If the Huskies lose they set a Division 1 record for consecutive losses. Sark will be out to prove a point. Idaho will NOT be able to contain Locker. Factor in the home crowd and the Huskies should cover the 3 TD's.

Oregon -7
Nice bounce back game at home versus Purdue. I was impressed with the Ducks defense against Boise State, who will consistently put up 40 pts per game this season IMO. Blount is a big loss, however, the Ducks are not hurting for talent or athleticism. The Oline will decide this one and I think they will bring it.

Southern Cal -1
Just read this:
"The Trojans have won seven straight road openers -- six of them against big-six conference opponents. Average score: 43-12. The opponents: Colorado, Auburn, Virginia Tech, Hawaii, Arkansas, Nebraska, Virginia."

Barkley has been prepared for games like this since he was 5. I heard OSU has been preparing for USC all offseason, which is why they struggled with Navy. That said, no way the Trojans blow them out again but they should still win it late.

[lynchjm24]

The over under should be a barn burner. Colorado is stank bad.

[Neuqua]

Wow, I did not know CU was this awful.

[Lathum]

ugh, took the over 27.5 in the first half. Missed 2 point conversion then the holding call at the end of the half nullifies a 52 yard gain and a chip shot. Plus 2 missed field goals. Sick.

[Lathum]

Wow, I did not know CU was this awful.

I watched them last week, not good.

[Cuckoo]

Yeah, I just thought they had to be better than last week, but I was definitely wrong.

[RainMaker]

I really like Notre Dame -3 tomorrow.

If you don't mind me asking, where are most of you guys playing at? I've been at Intertops for awhile but sometimes have issues getting cash out (I just feel weird using the Western Union method).

I'm in the US, so something that is easy to get money in and out without massive fees.

[Bigsmooth]

I use SportsBook.com. I like it much better than bodog or betusa. I haven't cashed out in awhile (dammit), but when I have in the past the check came very quickly via FedEx.

[Lathum]

I like Bodog

[Vegas Vic]

I've got three plays tomorrow:

Oregon -12 over Purdue
Southern Miss -14.5 over Central Florida
Louisiana Tech +7.5 over Navy

[Lathum]

Lines I am looking at tomorrow

Iowa-Iowa St. -47. Seems like a high number considering Iowa struggled against Northern Iowa.

Wake-3. They need a win after a loss to an underrated Baylor team. The game starts at 9:00 AM for stanford. I can see them being sluggish.

Nebraska -21 vs Ark St. These are the games Nebraska alway win big early on to make everyone think they are better than they really are.

BYU-18 @ tulane. Veteran QB Max Hall won't let them have a letdown. Need to show the country they are the real deal and didn't only win because BRadford was out.

Notre Dame -3. They have a lot to prove this year.

TCU-11 @ Virgina. UVA lost ton William and Mary, enough said.

[Lathum]

I am enjoying the 3rd quarter

[Lathum]

2 TD's in 10 seconds is great for the over.

Took the second half over also.

[RainMaker]

I like Bodog
What payout options do they have?

[Lathum]

one free check per month

[Recoil]

Bet Jamaica

[lynchjm24]

It seems funny but I like Duke in a pick'em at Army. Since I'm out early tomorrow I went:

Duke Pick'em
Colorado -4
UNC -4 & -4.5 (got it early in the week and again today)
WMU + 1.5 (got an extra hook there by waiting)
ND - 3

The lesson as always is, don't listen to me.

Can someone please explain to me why leagues don't use officials from a third league?

[Neuqua]

Card for today:

Fresno St +8
WMU +1.5
Wake -4
KU -12.5
North Texas +3

[Lathum]

3-3 so far with my other 3 looking solid.


Night games I like are

Cal -34 against E. Washington

Auburn- Miss St -47 ( they scored 5 last year)

Mizzou -20

Idaho St +50 at Oklahoma- 50 points is just absurd, you have to figure OKlahoma's timing may be off on some plays.

Kansas -13 @ Utep

Oregeon- Purdue +47

Oregeon St -7 @ UNLV

[Lathum]

Jumped all over some second half lines

Texas -17
Ok St -10.5
Notre Dame- Mich +24

[Lathum]

I'm really torn on the USC game. History says to take USC, but freshman QB going into the 'shoe and the Pryor factor make me really nervous.

[Lathum]

went with USC -8 and the over 46

[RainMaker]

went with USC -8 and the over 46

I went with USC -8 as Ohio State has just been horrible against top schools out of conference.

Nice call on the TCU game earlier. I saw that pick you put up last night and went with it myself today. Too bad Weis can't manage the fucking clock.

[lynchjm24]

I went all in on USC after the terrible afternoon.

[RainMaker]

Little worried that OSU is just blowing up the D-Line of USC.

[Nice Guy Eddie]

Seattle -7 over St. Louis

my VA Tech pick came in today

[Lathum]

so I took a big parlay with KU -13 and +57 in the Oregeon game, feeling nice about it right now.

[RainMaker]

What does everyone like tomorrow?

Jets @ Texans -5
Texans are a really tough home team (6-2 last two seasons I believe) and Mario Williams is one of the best pass rushing ends in the league. Think it's a lot to ask Sanchez to go into Houston and pull out a win. Not sold on Houston this year but do think their offense has a lot of underated pieces like Andre Johnson. Houston 20-10 win.

Bears @ Packers -3
I won't bet on this since I'm a Bears fan but I really like Green Bay in this one. They had a ton of injuries last season and should be solid with a healthy start. I think there will be teams that give Green Bay's secondary trouble, but don't think it'll be Chicago's. Rodgers looks to be one of the better QBs in the league and will have a rowdy home crowd behind him. Bears defense is heavily overated and will get abused by the passing game. Green Bay wins this one by pulling away late 27-20.

[Cuckoo]

Rough weekend for me with the college games. The only thing that saved me from a complete loss was a TCU/Nebraska parlay.

[lynchjm24]

I got killed yesterday, so I'm going with the plan I've been waiting 3 years on. Every underdog on the m/l. That and Cincinnati and maybe the over in the Giants game.

[Lathum]

I got killed yesterday, so I'm going with the plan I've been waiting 3 years on. Every underdog on the m/l. That and Cincinnati and maybe the over in the Giants game.

Not a fan of the over in the Giants game.

These teams traditionally play low scoring games and with Eli's inexpierienced receivers I would be leary of there being a lot of points.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I still havent set up an account yet, but if I were to bet, I really like SF + 6.

[lynchjm24]

I just see so many players hurt on defense for the Giants. I did just get a look from a neighbor since I mowed the lawn in my Sehorn jersey. I just turned down a free trip to the Meadowlands, just not in the mood for the traffic.

[lynchjm24]

Bodog had money lines on these dogs at one. Let's go dogs.

Miami
Cleveland
Denver
Jets
Jacksonville
Tampa

No money lines for Detroit +14, Carolina +3, Kansas City +13 so I just have them with the points.

3 years ago this probably would have worked, I'm sure this year it will be a disaster.

[NiteMaestro]

Didn't read the tread beforehand... (not a big betting kinda guy)
I was wondering if ya'll knew/followed what's going on in DE with the single game bets and all.

I live there, so I hear about it... Just wondering if anyone knew/cared.

[Lathum]

Early games- Took

Over 45 in the Jets- Texans game
Saints -14
Ravens -13
Vikings -5
Over 41.5 in the Bengals- Broncos


I also took over 109.5 rushing yards for Adrian Peterson, got crappy odds, -145, but still, Clevelands run defense is awful.

[RainMaker]

Just took Tampa +6 along with my Texans -5 listed earlier.

[Neuqua]

Indy -6.5
Houston -4.5
Washington +6.5
San Francisco

[lynchjm24]

Didn't read the tread beforehand... (not a big betting kinda guy)
I was wondering if ya'll knew/followed what's going on in DE with the single game bets and all.

I live there, so I hear about it... Just wondering if anyone knew/cared.

I believe the state lost the appeal and can't offer.

[lynchjm24]

Kansas City was getting 13 and was in a tie game with 5 minutes left. Baltimore had the ball at their own 26. They managed to not cover. That takes some real talent.

[Cuckoo]

I did much better on the pro bets this week, scored a money line on San Francisco, the spread for Dallas, and the two games I mentioned earlier with Philly and Minnesota. My only loss was Cincy.

[Lathum]

I scored a nice comeback last night betting the longest FG would be +44.5 yards.

[Lathum]

I will be all over NE -11 tonight.

Mostly because I am ficing Brady in fantasy with a chance to win, so he will go apeshit tonight.

[Bigsmooth]

I had a real nice day yesterday. If the Pats and Charges can each just win straight up I'll cash in on a couple big parlays. Feeling pretty good about that although I could see the Raiders sneaking up on the Chargers for some reason.

[Neuqua]

I'm a Bears fan but I can't figure out how the spread for next week is Pit-3 paying +105?

[Lathum]

I'm a Bears fan but I can't figure out how the spread for next week is Pit-3 paying +105?

jump on it now.

It will be Pitt -6 -115 before you know it.

My guess is because of no Polamalu and it is a road game i think, but still.

[Neuqua]

I don't bet on games involving any of my teams. I am just trying to understand the logic behind it. It's begging you to take the Steelers, but Vegas isn't stupid. I'd almost have to take the Bears if I bet.

[lynchjm24]

Kicked off New England -13 (-115) on bodog. Crazy.

[lynchjm24]

I would not hate the Patriots nearly as much if they wore these uniforms every week. There can't be anyone in the world who like the Elvis look better.

We had those same helmets in Junior High School.

[lynchjm24]

Early look at the college lines..

I like Georgia Tech +4
Kentucky -10
Duke +22
Michigan St. +11

[Neuqua]

Buffalo +13.5
San Diego -10

[Lathum]

Took Tech +5 and the over 55.

I'm not sold on Miami yet after the horrific effort Florida St put up last week. Makes Miamis week 1 win look soft in comparason to Tech with a solid win over Clemson.

[Cuckoo]

I actually took Miami last night, so it was a good start to the weekend. Tomorrow, I'm looking at:

KSU/UCLA - Under 43 1/2 (I know KSU's offense stinks, and UCLA is without their QB, correct?)

Tennessee +30 (Florida wins obviously, but surely Tennessee won't let it get that bad)

Arizona money line (Probably reaching here, but I think Mike Stoops will pull it out)

And then I might go with Arkansas -2 over Georgia. Still looking through the games, though.

[Bigsmooth]

Took Fresno St and the UNDER tonight....not really sure why, actually.

[Pumpy Tudors]

What's the deal with people not betting on games in which their favorite team is playing?

[Bigsmooth]

What's the deal with people not betting on games in which their favorite team is playing?

Yeah not sure I get it either. I like to bet on what I know best. I'm usually able to be objective and bet for/against my teams. For me, it's bitness.

[larrymcg421]

I don't want to 1) be happy if my team loses or 2) be upset if my team wins.

[Lathum]

What's the deal with people not betting on games in which their favorite team is playing?

I like to be able to watch the game without anything clouding my enjoyment.

[Lathum]

Took the over in the Boise game.

My folks are in town this weekend so I'm not sure how much action I'll be taking

[Nice Guy Eddie]

Tenn -7 vs. Houston


take it....or kick yourself later

[Lathum]

good start for the over

[Cuckoo]

I took Boise at the last minute in this one. Always makes me more interested in the game. :)

[lynchjm24]

Anyone looking to win just bet the opposite of this:

I have
Boston College +7
Duke +24.5
Toledo +21
Kentucky -14
Michigan State +300 m/l

[RainMaker]

Like two Big 10 teams as favorites

Michigan -24
Penn State -30.5

Considering taking Wofford and the points as they are actually a really strong FCS school and Wisconsin has looked real weak.

[Bigsmooth]

Went big on these games:
Auburn -7 (up to -7.5 all of a sudden)
Clemson -7 (now up to -8)

[Cuckoo]

What's the deal with people not betting on games in which their favorite team is playing?

I bet my favorites quite a bit, though I won't bet against them, of course, even if I think they'll lose. For example, I don't think OU will cover the spread today against Tulsa. I think it'll be a close game, maybe a 2 TD OU win at most.

As was said earlier, I generally know my favorite teams the most thoroughly, so it only makes sense. Of course, I have been caught looking through homer eyes on occasion.

[Lathum]

Took a bunch of games today.

Texas Tech vs. (184) Texas Over 66
Cincinnati -2
Tulsa vs. (166) Oklahoma Over 58
Florida -30
Virginia Tech -6
California -14
Kansas -24
Penn St. -30½

[Bigsmooth]

Any idea why the Clemson/BC game is delayed right now?

[henry296]

Lightning at Clemson/BC.

[Bigsmooth]

Dang. Any idea if the game will be completed? Clemson was covering easy.

[henry296]

I think so, but the players are back on the field even though it is raining hard.

[henry296]

Playing again in Clemson.

[Neuqua]

Vandy -8.5
Iowa St -3
Navy +7.5

[Lathum]

I really don't like many of the NFL games today

Patriots -4
Packers -8.5
Vikings -10

[Neuqua]

Houston +7
Arizona +3
Philadelphia +2.5

[RainMaker]

3-1 today and want to take the Giants tonight. Bodog has been down for a few hours. Need a new book in the next 25 minutes, didn't know Bodog was amateur hour.

[Cuckoo]

Lost on the Pats and Steelers today but overall did okay with a pick on the Saints, a parlay on Minnesota and Denver and then the Bengals. I have no explanation for that last one. Just took the chance on a nice money line. :)

[Bigsmooth]

Had an awesome Saturday with Auburn (wow that was a miracle cover) and Clemson. Got better yesterday on a big 10 point teaser and another 6 point teaser with the Giants and OVER. Tonight I'm going with another 6 point teaser:

Miami +9
OVER 36

[Cuckoo]

Starting the weekend 0-1 with the "Miss" last night. I'm taking a couple of Big XII teams to cover, Missouri (-7) and Kansas (-13 1/2), and I'm surprised at the Washington/Stanford line. Might jump on Washington there. I also like Oregon State at home and might take a money line on TCU.

[Neuqua]

Nevada +7.5

[Bigsmooth]

Off to a good start after taking South Carolina and the UNDER last night. Have the following tonight:

Missouri -6.5 (bought 1 point)
UNDER 64 (bought 3 points)

Another 6-Point teaser:
Mizzou -1
Iowa +15.5
TCU +8.5

Also, took a small flier on UW winning the Pac 10 at +2000.

[CU Tiger]

Cahsed in nicely on SC last night

5 plays tomorrow
Misss St +12
Arkansas +17.5
Clemson TCU UNDER 41
Notre Dame -7
Texas Tech (pick 'em)

[Bigsmooth]

Threw down a fatty parlay on:
Cal (straight up)
Miami (straight up)
Oregon State (straight up)

[Lathum]

Early games

UM-IU +52
Buffallo +3.5

[RainMaker]

I have LSU -12.5 and will probably put something down on Notre Dame -7 for tonight.

[Lathum]

I love the over 56 in Cal-Oregon.

[Lathum]

I'm off florida State the rest of the year, they have fucked me every week and you never know which team will show up. Layed a total egg against a USF team without Grothe at home.

[Bigsmooth]

Wow. I swear it's time to go buy a lottery ticket. Had the following 10-point teaser (made the bet mostly because 2 of the games were being televised ha):

Michigan State +12.5 (lost by 8)
Indiana +29
Cincinnati -7 (won by 8)

The 'wow' part of this bet was the Michigan State cover. I pretty much wrote the bet off and changed the channel. Flipped the channel back just in time for a meaningless 90 yard TD pass by the Spartans. Gotta love the teasers.

[Bigsmooth]

Christ, couldn't have been more wrong with Cal and Miami.

[lynchjm24]

I finally had a big win last night. Loved Rutgers -1.

[Bigsmooth]

Got absolutely torched on the NFL yesterday. Trying to get my mojo back with:
Panthers +11.5
OVER 45
Bought 3 points on each line.

[Lathum]

Took the Panthers straight up at +380

[RainMaker]

Was only able to get Carolina at +9. I usually take any dog over 7 points that is playing an average team at best.

[Cuckoo]

My homerism forced me to take the Cowboys. Thank you Newman...

[B & B]

Got absolutely torched on the NFL yesterday. Trying to get my mojo back with:
Panthers +11.5
OVER 45
Bought 3 points on each line.

Buying points is a horrible idea. Think of it as taking the escalator to the noose.

Chasing bad Sundays with 2x Monday night action is another no-no.

Not a bash on you, just trying to pass on some advice.

[Bigsmooth]

Buying points is a horrible idea. Think of it as taking the escalator to the noose.

Chasing bad Sundays with 2x Monday night action is another no-no.

Not a bash on you, just trying to pass on some advice.

Yeah, great advice. I tend to bet very little when going for a parlay, so not a big loss.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Given my success in picking games against the spread through the first 2 weeks, I considered jumping into the betting fray this week. Boy am I glad I didn't, as I would've been beat pretty considerably. The worst would have been the 49ers to win at +240, as I'd have gone from penthouse to outhouse in the blink of an eye.

Will probably lay some money down next week, however. I'm more of a pro football guy, but does anyone have suggestions regarding just betting individual games, doing small parlays, etc? Any and all advice would be great!

[B & B]

After talking to dozens of bettors, it seems that its almost as hard to weigh the strength of the wager as it is to find winners themselves. Meaning, far too many people take the time to come up with the bets while giving little to no analysis on how much each bet should be.

There are no locks. There are no sure things. Even getting a bad line only increases your chances to win, but there are no certainties.

I dont make bets for fun or action. Sometimes the best choice is to not make one. At the same time, dont put too much stock into one bet. Flat bets are the best way to go. Establish a normal betting amount and stick to it. Does not matter if its $20, $50 or $500. A good rule of thumb to find that number is to imagine if you lost 10 consecutive bets. I.E. If you think that you are a $100 bettor, than imagine losing 100 X 10= 1000, plus another 100 in juice, so $1100. Ask yourself if you are comfortable losing that kind of dough. If not, than you are betting too much per game. In the end, if you can pick 53% or better (vig) than you will make money.

Dont dick around with teasers or parlays. If you do, then I strongly encourage you to keep accurate records of those bets for a week or two. Most people will find that they are losing money on those specific types of bets, especially in the long run (say a month)

Oh and always follow rule #1. Dont bet more than you can afford to lose.

[lynchjm24]

Straight bets are the only way to not lose your shirt certainly.

I like Pitt -7 @ the 'Ville on Friday night.

[Cuckoo]

Yes, I am far too addicted to the parlays and know that I lose money overall on them. The problem is that every once in a while I hit a good one, so I keep betting them.

[Lathum]

Got the miracle cover last night with Colorado +17.

I try to never bet my teams, but ho the hell are the Giants only -9 against the
chiefs?

[Cuckoo]

Exact opposite for me last night. I had WVU and thought that I might just get it, despite 4 fumbles or something like that. Then they decide to let Colorado march the field and score a meaningless TD with 3 seconds left.

[TCY Junkie]

I used to bet a lot of 4 team parlays. My favorite number is 3 so I would bet 3 dollar 6 team parlays of my best picks just to see how I did for the week. I hit 2 of them over 6 years. For shit and giggles I made up a 8 team parlay, but for only a dollar, it paid decent.

It seems I would go 7-1 or 6-2 or 3-5 for the week so I would hit parlays in bunches, this was college, I about killed myself trying to break even in the nfl. I used to watch every game. Make my own lines Saturday night before other lines came out. It was taking all the fun out of it so I quit. I barely enjoy watching my favorite teams now in college or pro. I don't condone parlays because of the odds but whatever works for you, you don't change. Maybe I just liked parlays because it was more challenging, I won on them but not as much.

I loved betting and took an approach that if I lost my starting bankroll I wouldn't be able to bet the rest of the year. I always started the year with 200. Bet 5 dollars on games on TV games just so I would watch them, and then 20, 30, 50 on other games. Bankroll management is the key. I did bet more on two or 3 games a year, but never anything that would take away most my profits. I never bet more than 20 on favorites that were more than 3 points, except for when the steelers were rolling and 7 points favorites over the browns a couple years ago at the end of the season when they won the superbowl. I think the score was 42 0. I was glad the line wasn't 7 1/2 because I wouldn't have bet as much. Maybe others have luck betting big favorites, but I don't. I guess that's why I posted this and rambled.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I try to never bet my teams, but ho the hell are the Giants only -9 against the
chiefs?

From Chad Millman: Big changes in Week 4 point spreads, including Jets-Saints - ESPN (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4526109&name=millman_chad) (insider only)

Line moves: Giants opened at minus-10, currently minus-8
What that means: Wise guys are playing this one in the traditional way, going with home dogs getting lots of points.
Jimmy says: "We're still picking off high numbers because of how this season has gone. Favorites keep winning. But wise guys aren't buying it, and that is how the line moved. I think about $75,000 came into three different sports books on the Chiefs early in the week and knocked that line down. All the public money will be on the Giants, but they are playing their second road game in a row, and this one is at Arrowhead. The Chiefs may stink, but that is still a tough place to play."

[Lathum]

I don't buy that argument ( it is actually the 3rd road game in a row).

Had they played a tough game against Tampa, ok, than maybe, but they had all their starters out by the 4th quarter and held Tampa to 86 TOTAL YARDS!

[Cuckoo]

I'm going with smaller bets but on more games this week. Have these so far but will add more:

Houston/UTEP under 70
Michigan money line
Virginia Tech -16
Arkansas -1

[Neuqua]

Louisville +7 tonight.

[lynchjm24]

Straight bets are the only way to not lose your shirt certainly.

I like Pitt -7 @ the 'Ville on Friday night.

I should seriously just stick to the Big East and leave everything else alone.

[Lathum]

Early games I like tomorrow

Va Tech -17 @ duke
Clemson -13 @ Maryland
UNC -13 vs UVA
Mich 3.5 @ Mich St
Bama -16.5 @ Kentucky

[Recoil]

Teaser

VA Tech -7.5
PSU +2.5
Auburn +12

[Cuckoo]

Early games I like tomorrow

Va Tech -17 @ duke
Clemson -13 @ Maryland
UNC -13 vs UVA
Mich 3.5 @ Mich St
Bama -16.5 @ Kentucky

Not that it means a whole lot, but I agree on every one of these. Since I know you're a Giants fan, it's hard for me to agree with you, Lathum. :p

[lynchjm24]

Early games I like tomorrow

Va Tech -17 @ duke
Clemson -13 @ Maryland
UNC -13 vs UVA
Mich 3.5 @ Mich St
Bama -16.5 @ Kentucky

Running your money through a shredder is a more viable investment then Clemson football.

It's good to know I'm not the only one who can lay a giant Saturday egg. I feel your pain.

I like NC State +3 a whole lot.

[Lathum]

Wouldn't have been quiet so bad had Mich St kicked a field goal instead of running for a 24 yard TD on third down

[Cuckoo]

Might be my 2nd rough weekend in a row. Already lost on WVU, Virginia Tech, Michigan and Clemson.

[lynchjm24]

At least there is one thing the world can no longer avoid. The ACC stinks.

[RainMaker]

Only bet I have today is Oklahoma -7. I bought the 1/2 point.

[CU Tiger]

At least there is one thing the world can no longer avoid. The ACC stinks.

Only bet I have today is Oklahoma -7. I bought the 1/2 point.

heh

[dervack]

Lost 3 parlays, but made out on the live betting from the Cowboys and Broncos game to come out ahead for the day.

[JS19]

As close as a guarantee there is; teased the Giants down to 3, and the Colts down to 4. Kinda pissed I didn't go bigger bc that seems as good as it gets, but hey, i'll take it.

[JS19]

Teased the Patriots to + 7 and the Falcons to - 6. Thoughts?

[lynchjm24]

heh

It's funny to look back 2 months ago and how wrong I was about the ACC stinking. Turns out comparing the ACC with 'stinking' is an insult to stinking.

[bryce]

Teased the Patriots to + 7 and the Falcons to - 6. Thoughts?

I took the Pats in a ML bet at +120, so I'm with you on them... Skipping the Falcons game, though.

[digamma]

It's funny to look back 2 months ago and how wrong I was about the ACC stinking. Turns out comparing the ACC with 'stinking' is an insult to stinking.

NC State says, "HI!!!" to all of those awesome teams at the top of the Big East.

[Radii]

NC State says, "HI!!!" to all of those awesome teams at the top of the Big East.

The Sagarin conference rankings take offense too:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

[JS19]

I took the Pats in a ML bet at +120, so I'm with you on them... Skipping the Falcons game, though.

Yea, I didn't want to really make this bet at all, pretty much did it just for the sake of making a bet. I wanted the Pats on the ML too, but I was talked out of it.

[lynchjm24]

NC State says, "HI!!!" to all of those awesome teams at the top of the Big East.

The Big East ended up 31-9 out of conference (assuming Miami finishes off USF) and over .500 against BCS teams.

Clemson's disaster at USC is another feather in the ACC cap.

[lynchjm24]

And back to gambling... great cover for us today. In the parking lot at UConn/Syracuse we put 300 on UConn -13.5. Up 11: 4th and 11 from the Cuse 40 with 2 minutes left, UConn throws a TD pass to cover. Syracuse later fumbles away another score and the Huskies win by 25 to cover 'easily'.

[digamma]

The Big East ended up 31-9 out of conference (assuming Miami finishes off USF) and over .500 against BCS teams.

Clemson's disaster at USC is another feather in the ACC cap.

You really should tell the whole story here. The Big East has a grand total of 2 wins against BCS conference teams with winning records. If Stanford wins tonight, that number goes to one. I admit that one is a really nice win on the road at Oregon State.

And giving Miami the W, the Big East was 2-3 against the ACC. Combined record of the ACC teams the Big East beat: 6-15. Combined record of the three Big East teams the ACC beat: 22-11.

Now, clearly the ACC isn't the SEC this year or any year, but if the ACC is an insult to stinking, I'm not sure what sort of rancid stuff is coming out of your own back yard.