Tipping

[Galaxy]

I came across this article today and I found it rather interesting.

The rude new tip-jar economy (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SmartSpending/ConsumerActionGuide/the-rude-new-tip-jar-economy.aspx)

Your thoughts?

[Lathum]

been a while since we had one of these.

[Big Fo]

I tip waiters and delivery people but I feel there is no reason to tip at pick-up counters where someone literally reaches over two feet to grab my order and hands it to me, jar or no jar. I've never seen a jar at fast food restaurants, that's a freaking joke imo.

I do tip the barber if I think my haircut looks good though.

[terpkristin]

I tip delivery people. And the person who cuts my hair.

And I'm drunkg.

t/k

[Autumn]

I tip delivery people. And the person who cuts my hair.

And I'm drunkg.

t/k

I hope you tip bartenders too.

[stevew]

I'm comfortable going 20 percent. Although the nicest place we go is applebees.

Joints that don't let you tip on a card piss me off. And I end up stiffing the waiter in those situations.

[stevew]

I always go 5 extra on a 15 dollar haircut. If it looks good.

[stevew]

In general I hate places that don't take cards. There's a really good pizza shop in the mall. But since they don't take cards I rarely go. So instead of them making 600 bucks off me a year they get less than 50 probably.

Raise your prices a bit to compensate for processing fees.

[Coffee Warlord]

I always go 5 extra on a 15 dollar haircut. If it looks good.

Ditto.

Here's a good one, though, that I've heard go both ways.

Tip on carry-out orders at restaurants? (not fast food type places, but sit-down eateries that also do carry out)

[bhlloy]

Ditto.

Here's a good one, though, that I've heard go both ways.

Tip on carry-out orders at restaurants? (not fast food type places, but sit-down eateries that also do carry out)

Ditto ditto. Stiffing somebody who controls how your hair looks is really stupid IMO if you are planning on going back there. And in the large scheme of things, if they do a good job it's $5 every month or so.

I would love to know the answer to the second question. I usually tip a couple of bucks and round up to the next dollar, but I have no idea if it's expected or if I just look like a moron for doing it.

[stevew]

Never tip on carryout to go. Unless your order is way too over the top specific.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I never tip carry out either. Delivery, most definitely.

If there is one of those tip jars and I have change left over (so long as it's more than like 10 cents), I will almost always put the change into the jar. I do it at the local burrito place, Salad Creations, Starbucks/Carribou, etc.

[Izulde]

I tip waiters and delivery people but I feel there is no reason to tip at pick-up counters where someone literally reaches over two feet to grab my order and hands it to me, jar or no jar. I've never seen a jar at fast food restaurants, that's a freaking joke imo.

I do tip the barber if I think my haircut looks good though.

This. The one exception to the pick-up counter rule is this small coffee place at the mall when I worked at Victoria's Secret. I know their profit margins are pretty damned slim and the mall management are jackasses who raise the rent at every little excuse.

And a mall cop also stole some of their doughnuts one night after closing time. So yeah, I usually just dumped my coins in their tip jar. Always got great service, too, so I didn't mind.

I tip bartenders a buck every other drink.

[Sun Tzu]

Resevoir Dogs.

[Greyroofoo]

I only tip strippers

[Warhammer]

I only tip strippers

My card never seems to go through when I use it though.

[JediKooter]

I'm a pretty good tipper, but, I can't ever recall seeing a tip jar at fast food place.

I usually try and tip at least 20% if the service met my expectations, more if it went beyond, less if you can't refill my drink or check back and see if I need anything.

[Z²+]

At the casino where I work, management recently changed the employee parking situation -- whereas employees previously could park in a lot very near to the employee entrance, all employees must now park in a lot on the complete other side of the property, and ride an "employee shuttle" back and forth between the parking lot and the employee entrance. What bothers me the most, however, is that the shuttle driver has a tip basket sitting right next to the door. If I was a patron, I could understand tipping the shuttle driver for taking me to the entrance. However, as an employee, where I have no other option other than to park in the employee lot and ride the shuttle, I feel it is inappropriate for the driver to have a tip basket so prominently displayed. The driver is nice enough, and I don't begrudge him a chance to make a decent living, and I feel guilty every time I get off the shuttle twice each day without tipping, but I just don't think this is a situation where I should have to tip. Am I being stingy, or do you think I have a valid point?

[JediKooter]

At the casino where I work, management recently changed the employee parking situation -- whereas employees previously could park in a lot very near to the employee entrance, all employees must now park in a lot on the complete other side of the property, and ride an "employee shuttle" back and forth between the parking lot and the employee entrance. What bothers me the most, however, is that the shuttle driver has a tip basket sitting right next to the door. If I was a patron, I could understand tipping the shuttle driver for taking me to the entrance. However, as an employee, where I have no other option other than to park in the employee lot and ride the shuttle, I feel it is inappropriate for the driver to have a tip basket so prominently displayed. The driver is nice enough, and I don't begrudge him a chance to make a decent living, and I feel guilty every time I get off the shuttle twice each day without tipping, but I just don't think this is a situation where I should have to tip. Am I being stingy, or do you think I have a valid point?

You have a valid point. It would be like having to tip the person that cleans the bathrooms at work...I appreciate it, but, we both work for the same company.

[Karlifornia]

As far as take out goes, if you go into a place a lot and want to get special treatment your take-out order, then you might wanna tip. It certainly doesn't guarantee anything, but it's never detrimental. If you go into a place once a year, then nobody's gonna remember you unless you starting blowing yourself in front of the counter. If you go to a place once a week for a good while, tipping, no matter how small, will get the staff to remember you.

And who is this stupid old bitch whining about tip jars? Who gives a fuck? If I feel like tipping, I'll tip. Just because there's a tip jar there doesn't mean I feel forced to tip. It may remind me to tip if I feel satisfied with the transaction, but it's not like I see the tip jar and think "Damn...not left with much choice here...oh well..I guess I can pass on paying that light bill this month. The jar was there. I gotta respect the presence of the jar!"

[Butter]

Am I being stingy, or do you think I have a valid point?

You have a valid point, but if the guy is also shuttling customers to and fro, then I can see the reason for the jar as well. I wouldn't sweat it at all.

[Samdari]

At the casino where I work, management recently changed the employee parking situation -- whereas employees previously could park in a lot very near to the employee entrance, all employees must now park in a lot on the complete other side of the property, and ride an "employee shuttle" back and forth between the parking lot and the employee entrance. What bothers me the most, however, is that the shuttle driver has a tip basket sitting right next to the door. If I was a patron, I could understand tipping the shuttle driver for taking me to the entrance. However, as an employee, where I have no other option other than to park in the employee lot and ride the shuttle, I feel it is inappropriate for the driver to have a tip basket so prominently displayed. The driver is nice enough, and I don't begrudge him a chance to make a decent living, and I feel guilty every time I get off the shuttle twice each day without tipping, but I just don't think this is a situation where I should have to tip. Am I being stingy, or do you think I have a valid point?

It's absurd. I am a pretty generous tipper, especially at the low priced family restaurants I now frequent. I also believe that working entails some expenses - it costs some money to work. But, the fact that its an employee of the same company asking you to tip? No, no, no, no, no. That just feels wrong.

One area I am iffy on tips is the small, family owned barbershop. Do you tip the person who cuts your hair, if you know that is the owner?

[Logan]

If you're out to lunch and have separate checks, be sure to coordinate the tip or hilarity will ensue.

[fantom1979]

My dad won't tip a pizza delivery guy if the pizza place charges a delivery fee. Sucks for the driver, but I can somewhat understand his point. He has already paid for the service. I personally tip those guys.

[Kodos]

I like to put a stack of ones on the corner of the table. Every time the waitress does something that pleases me, I add a dollar to the stack. Every time she upsets me, I remove a dollar.

[Lathum]

You have a valid point, but if the guy is also shuttling customers to and fro, then I can see the reason for the jar as well. I wouldn't sweat it at all.

I think it depends also on what breakdown of his salary is tips.

If it is considered a tipped position like a server or bartender than I think it is appropriate to tip.

[Passacaglia]

Has anyone else noticed that a lot of people talk about getting massages more? Back in the day, either not as many people got them, or they didn't want to talk about how they spent so much money on one, but now it's seeming fairly common.

[Kodos]

I like to put a stack of ones on the corner of the table. Every time the waitress does something that pleases me, I add a dollar to the stack. Every time she upsets me, I remove a dollar.

Here's what this was referencing:

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[PilotMan]

How would you feel if you had to tip the pilot before you got on the airplane?

Some days I wish.

Given that our hotel van drivers, who we are required to ride with to and from the hotel, expect 1 dollar tips per person, per leg. Why not us? That can be in the 30-40 dollar expense per month. Nah, it's my job, if they want a tip, call the company. I have to be here, you have to take me, no other way around it. I have kids to feed.

[Lathum]

How would you feel if you had to tip the pilot before you got on the airplane?

Some days I wish.

Given that our hotel van drivers, who we are required to ride with to and from the hotel, expect 1 dollar tips per person, per leg. Why not us? That can be in the 30-40 dollar expense per month. Nah, it's my job, if they want a tip, call the company. I have to be here, you have to take me, no other way around it. I have kids to feed.

Now that is fine if tips aren't considered part of their salary, but if they make $4.00 an hour plus tips I think it is fine for them to have a tip cup out.

[Dodgerchick]

We've seen tip jars at drive-thrus and McDonalds.

[Lathum]

Big Stein wants a calzone!


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[RomaGoth]

Resevoir Dogs.

This didn't get enough love imo.

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[Celeval]

I'll tip for takeout at places that aren't all take-out - going up to a bar at a sitdown place for a togo order. Generally we tip well, particularly if we're out with our kid and the wait staff goes out of their way for her.

[Toddzilla]

I am NOT watching a video called "Dick Tips"

[MJ4H]

My card never seems to go through when I use it though.

keep swiping

[DanGarion]

We've seen tip jars at drive-thrus and McDonalds.

Wow I would think that is a big no no with corporate McDonald's probably would be enforced down to the franchisees... Interesting...

[gkb]

Dwight's take on tipping.

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[Ryan S]

I am glad that we don't have a tipping Culture in the UK.

I usually let taxi drivers keep the change, and tip around 10% for service in restaurants or takeaway deliveries, but I am not afraid to leave nothing for bad service. (The minimum wage for UK waiter staff is much higher than the US minimum)

If the service has been exceptional, or if my group has been difficult (drunk!) I will probably give a larger tip.

[Mustang]

I tip the person that cuts my hair because she is hot.

I don't know if she does a good job or not.

[molson]

It certainly doesn't guarantee anything, but it's never detrimental. If you go into a place once a year, then nobody's gonna remember you unless you starting blowing yourself in front of the counter.

This is why I can never go back to the Ruby Tuesday in Orlando.

[I. J. Reilly]

So I eat lunch at a deli about once a month and I have no idea if I should tip or not. You order at the counter, they give you a number to take to your table, bring out your food, and then have a guy roaming the dining room busing tables when you’re finished. As best I can tell no one else is leaving a tip on the table and there is no jar at the counter. So what does FOFC think?

[Izulde]

If they bus the tables and it's just me, I leave a buck.

Groups of 2-5 people, leave 2 bucks.

[stevew]

I tip the person that cuts my hair because she is hot.

I don't know if she does a good job or not.

Does she do the "Boobs around your neck thing?"

Or are you just hoping to see the "top of the mountain" one day.

[MrBug708]

I dont at Souplantation. I also don't at Jamba Juice or Starbucks

[stevew]

Here's what this was referencing:

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Yeah, I got the reference. I joke about doing that when we go out.

[Greyroofoo]

This thread doesn't deserve a tip

[Greyroofoo]

I tip delivery people. And the person who cuts my hair.

And I'm drunkg.

t/k

i luv u

[Glengoyne]

I like to put a stack of ones on the corner of the table. Every time the waitress does something that pleases me, I add a dollar to the stack. Every time she upsets me, I remove a dollar.

I think that makes more sense than tucking them in her underwear. It would be hard to get her to cough those back up.

[Glengoyne]

...

Joints that don't let you tip on a card piss me off. And I end up stiffing the waiter in those situations.


I've never run into that. As a rule, I prefer to tip with cash rather than a card. That is for the benefit of the server. I can tip generously, and they are only taxed a percentage of my bill. At least that is how an ex-waiter friend of mine described it to me.

Now if you FORCE me to tip off of my card. Well you're just pissing me off, and that doesn't bode well for receiving a tip.

[CraigSca]

I've never run into that. As a rule, I prefer to tip with cash rather than a card. That is for the benefit of the server. I can tip generously, and they are only taxed a percentage of my bill. At least that is how an ex-waiter friend of mine described it to me.

Now if you FORCE me to tip off of my card. Well you're just pissing me off, and that doesn't bode well for receiving a tip.

I try to never use cash for anything because I get charged by the ATMs to actually get to MY money (argh).

It sounds to me the benefit, unless I'm not quite understanding it, of a cash tip to the server is that they don't have to report it and therefore don't have to pay any taxes.

[Lathum]

It sounds to me the benefit, unless I'm not quite understanding it, of a cash tip to the server is that they don't have to report it and therefore don't have to pay any taxes.

correct.

[DanGarion]

correct.

Of course that would be breaking tax law if you didn't report it....

[Lathum]

Of course that would be breaking tax law if you didn't report it....

also correct.

There are a lot of myths about what percentage of sales you need to claim, etc...

There are people out there who will insist you have to claim only 8% of your sales, when legally you are obligated to claim 100% of tips.

[lynchjm24]

I go out of my way to tip on the card. I don't get to hide my income, why the hell should they?

[Chubby]

So what exactly is a "Delivery Charge" for say delivery places? I'm debating this right now as I never carry cash and this $2 delivery charge from pizza hut is irritating me. 20 mins til the pizza is here tho...

[Big Fo]

It helps make up for all the terrible people out there that don't tip or undertip delivery drivers. The driver probably gets at least a buck from that, at some places the store takes a piece of the delivery fee which I don't agree with.

Years ago I delivered for a local place where the fee was $1 and it all went to the driver. I also delivered for Domino's at one point and the fee was $1.50, and $1 went to the driver.

[Chubby]

It helps make up for all the terrible people out there that don't tip or undertip delivery drivers. The driver probably gets at least a buck from that, at some places the store takes a piece of the delivery fee which I don't agree with.

Years ago I delivered for a local place where the fee was $1 and it all went to the driver. I also delivered for Domino's at one point and the fee was $1.50, and $1 went to the driver.

If they would just allow tipping to be added to the bill (Pizza Hut doesn't allow it) then I'd throw on a tip in addition to the stupid delivery charge (like a buck).

I certainly understand the reasoning behind it (guarenteeing some tip money, being able to track if for tax purposes without lying) but they should just call it a tip for crying out loud...

Where I work there are tipped positions outside and as long as you claim $2/hr you don't get hassled (no tipped positions in the store where I work) and it averages out between the good tippers and the non-tippers. There's no way they could do a something like a delivery charge where I work due to not knowing who would get the tip...

[Big Fo]

If they would just allow tipping to be added to the bill (Pizza Hut doesn't allow it) then I'd throw on a tip in addition to the stupid delivery charge (like a buck).

When paying by card there is no space on the receipt to write in a tip and adjusted total (cost of food plus tip) in between the cost of your order and the signature? That is unusual and I don't know why Pizza Hut might do that.

[Chubby]

When paying by card there is no space on the receipt to write in a tip and adjusted total (cost of food plus tip) in between the cost of your order and the signature? That is unusual and I don't know why Pizza Hut might do that.

They might on eat-in but I ordered online (maybe why there's the delivery fee?). I'm pretty sure if i sit down there I can add it on after i pay by card.

[Chubby]

heh, so it turns out that you can add on a tip onto your bill when the driver gets there and I knew him from my job (he used to work there, was a good worked) so I gave him another $2.

[DanGarion]

Growing up I was taught it was 10-15% depending on service. Really bad service is lucky to get anything, below average gets 10 or less%, average service gets 15%, and those places that provide great service get 20%. In addition those places that we frequent we tend to give even more, with bills that are typically around $20 bucks getting a $10 tip.

[Kodos]

My standard is 20%, unless your service sucks.

[JonInMiddleGA]

When paying by card there is no space on the receipt to write in a tip and adjusted total (cost of food plus tip) in between the cost of your order and the signature? That is unusual and I don't know why Pizza Hut might do that.

Tell you another place that does it: Sonic.

Best I've been able to figure with them it's because they don't print anything out before they run your card & they input the exact amount of the order when they run your card. There's literally never anything to sign where you could put a tip even if you want to.

[Fidatelo]

I don't get why delivery guys get tips. They are getting paid to drive around and drop stuff off at your house. That's their job. I can sort of understand tipping with waitresses, because the level of service can vary greatly from 'just the minimum' to 'my meal was 100% better due to the service'.

But the pizza guy? He either shows up or he doesn't. That's it. I don't want him burning red lights to get a $3 tip either. And if he takes too long, he's not doing 'the minimum' and he's setting himself up for complaints and being fired. There are no other variables to his service. How is he different than the dude working in the back of the pizza joint? Or from the guy shlepping McFlurries out the drive through window?

Anyways, I tip pizza guys because its expected, but I resent them for it.

[Autumn]

I agree, there are a lot of jobs now where tipping seems like just a way for the employer to get out of paying more in wages.

[DaddyTorgo]

I agree, there are a lot of jobs now where tipping seems like just a way for the employer to get out of paying more in wages.

that's exactly the reason. if somebody paid their pizza delivery guys a normal wage and said no tipping it'd be no big deal. but because they don't they force the consumers to subsidize it.

which really isn't that big of a deal. figure you're paying on average how much for a delivered pie? I mean it's not your higher-class $13-for-an-individual pizzas. So with your tip it works out to be something maybe closer to that or so. It shouldn't break the bank for anybody I wouldn't think.

Then again, it's sleazy by the pizza shops.

[SackAttack]

I don't get why delivery guys get tips. They are getting paid to drive around and drop stuff off at your house. That's their job. I can sort of understand tipping with waitresses, because the level of service can vary greatly from 'just the minimum' to 'my meal was 100% better due to the service'.

But the pizza guy? He either shows up or he doesn't. That's it. I don't want him burning red lights to get a $3 tip either. And if he takes too long, he's not doing 'the minimum' and he's setting himself up for complaints and being fired. There are no other variables to his service. How is he different than the dude working in the back of the pizza joint? Or from the guy shlepping McFlurries out the drive through window?

Anyways, I tip pizza guys because its expected, but I resent them for it.

Lot of times pizza delivery guys have to provide their own car, and their place of employment doesn't always reimburse them for travel costs. That's why I tip 'em. I think Pizza Hut's delivery charge, to use Chubby's example, doesn't go to the delivery guy. I suspect it's largely to recoup the headcount costs associated with having a guy whose only job is to deliver pizza.

The other part of it that I've thought about since moving here from California is weather. If I'm ordering pizza in December and it's nasty outside, yes, I'm going to give the pizza guy a better-than-usual-tip assuming normal-or-better service.

In California, that was really never a concern for me, and so the tip was always based on things like promptness of delivery, communication (in case something happened like a car breaking down and deliveries slowing way down as a result), that sort of thing.

Out here, though, I feel just a little guilty when I'm inside my apartment and the delivery guy has to come through a semi-blizzard to bring me my eats.

[larrymcg421]

I don't know. A delivery driver incurs gas charges and wear and tear to their vehicle, so I would probably tip them even if they did get a higher wage. Not to mention if you live in a hard to reach area or it's raining, etc. I will tip more in such cases.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't know. A delivery driver incurs gas charges and wear and tear to their vehicle, so I would probably tip them even if they did get a higher wage. Not to mention if you live in a hard to reach area or it's raining, etc. I will tip more in such cases.

that is true. gas + wear+tear *nods* silly me

[Passacaglia]

There's also got to be some insurance issues. Do delivery drivers still have to pay their own insurance, or does the place cover them while they're at work? I've got to imagine that if you're using your own car, and you list your occupation as delivery driver, your rates have got to be sky-high.

[JonInMiddleGA]

that is true. gas + wear+tear *nods* silly me

On the other hand, just for a few examples, rural mail carriers, newspaper delivery people (what few are left these days anyway) and telephone book delivery people also often use their personal vehicles and are not necessarily compensated equivalent to their actual vehicle expenses either.

Do we tip them too?

FTR, I pretty much always tip food delivery people for getting it to me in one piece in an edible condition. Just sayin' they aren't the only people using their pov for deliveries.

[gstelmack]

I mean it's not your higher-class $13-for-an-individual pizzas.

Have you checked the prices Pizza Hut and Papa Johns charge these days?

[Passacaglia]

On the other hand, just for a few examples, rural mail carriers, newspaper delivery people (what few are left these days anyway) and telephone book delivery people also often use their personal vehicles and are not necessarily compensated equivalent to their actual vehicle expenses either.

Do we tip them too?

FTR, I pretty much always tip food delivery people for getting it to me in one piece in an edible condition. Just sayin' they aren't the only people using their pov for deliveries.

I bet the expectation of a Christm -- uh, holiday gift is higher in those cases. Although even that's not enough to make up for a tip every day of the year.

[stevew]

On the other hand, just for a few examples, rural mail carriers, newspaper delivery people (what few are left these days anyway) and telephone book delivery people also often use their personal vehicles and are not necessarily compensated equivalent to their actual vehicle expenses either.

Do we tip them too?

FTR, I pretty much always tip food delivery people for getting it to me in one piece in an edible condition. Just sayin' they aren't the only people using their pov for deliveries.

Mail Carriers-crazy overpaid, and are getting reimbursed for mileage/fuel and/or able to take 55 cents per mile as a deduction at the end of the year.

Newspaper people-Most of the ones around here are union, they get X cents per mile, plus a fuel check every month, plus an hourly wage 10-12/hour.

Telephone book people probably do alright after deductions, etc.

I think most anyone driving a vehicle for buisiness is most likely getting a fair reimbursement.

[Malificent]

On the other hand, just for a few examples, rural mail carriers, newspaper delivery people (what few are left these days anyway) and telephone book delivery people also often use their personal vehicles and are not necessarily compensated equivalent to their actual vehicle expenses either.

Do we tip them too?

FTR, I pretty much always tip food delivery people for getting it to me in one piece in an edible condition. Just sayin' they aren't the only people using their pov for deliveries.

Mail carriers get in federal trouble if they mess with your mail. Pizza delivery guys will rarely get caught if they spit in your food. The tip for delivery guys is a defensive one. If you order from the same place all the time, it also serves as a potential encouragement to get the food quick and fresh. Of course, I don't order enough pizza to get that benefit, so I tip enough to make sure I won't regret it later.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Mail Carriers-crazy overpaid, and are getting reimbursed for mileage/fuel and/or able to take 55 cents per mile as a deduction at the end of the year.

They're the best paid of the bunch almost certainly but they're still driving pov's for the job they agreed to do for X compensation, just like the pizza guys.

Newspaper people-Most of the ones around here are union, they get X cents per mile, plus a fuel check every month, plus an hourly wage 10-12/hour.

Different areas I guess. What few are left around here anymore are usually part-time employees, even temps, with no benefits & a travel allowance that doesn't seem to cover gas cost much less wear & tear.

Telephone book people probably do alright after deductions, etc.

Pretty much bottom of the job food chain here best I can tell. It's a job you take if you can't get the good one delivering pizza.

I think most anyone driving a vehicle for buisiness is most likely getting a fair reimbursement.

We've got very different points of view on what those folks are making I guess {shrug}

[Samdari]

They're the best paid of the bunch almost certainly but they're still driving pov's for the job they agreed to do for X compensation, just like the pizza guys.

Are you sure they're not getting .55 a mile for using pov's?

[stevew]

yeah, I'd almost think telephone people come out of it the best. No wage or income, if they are a contractor they probably made no taxable money after deductions.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Are you sure they're not getting .55 a mile for using pov's?

That part I'm sure about. There's even specific language in IRS publications specifically saying they cannot use the standard rate if they receive "qualified reimbursement" as negotiated in their 1991 collective bargaining agreement.

Problem with that (for our purposes) is that I haven't been able to find what that rate actually is today.

[Fidatelo]

I guess what I don't understand is why I should tip a guy because he chose a shitty occupation. I don't tip my garbage man, and his job sucks balls even if he doesn't have to pick up the trash in his own car. If you don't think driving your car around to deliver pizza is worth the associated costs unless you're getting tips to discourage you from cumming on the pepperoni, then don't take the job.

I always thought a tip was for good service, not charity.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I tip waiters and delivery people but I feel there is no reason to tip at pick-up counters where someone literally reaches over two feet to grab my order and hands it to me, jar or no jar. I've never seen a jar at fast food restaurants, that's a freaking joke imo.

I do tip the barber if I think my haircut looks good though.

I'm skipping the rest of the thread, so fie on me if I missed it.

But nine times out of ten, the person who is working the pick up counter arranged the order from the kitchen, put it in boxes, secured the boxes, then put them in bags. They also more than likely checked to see that you had napkins, utensils and other such things (bread and butter, chips and salsa, etc). Usually, the only thing a take-out server DOESN'T do that a waiter does is refill drinks. They also make about 1/3rd of what a real server makes (financially).

I'm not saying go tip your Jack-in-the-Box drive through helper, but if you would tip the people had you ate in, it doesn't hurt to throw the take-out person a tip.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I don't get why delivery guys get tips. They are getting paid to drive around and drop stuff off at your house. That's their job. I can sort of understand tipping with waitresses, because the level of service can vary greatly from 'just the minimum' to 'my meal was 100% better due to the service'.

But the pizza guy? He either shows up or he doesn't. That's it. I don't want him burning red lights to get a $3 tip either. And if he takes too long, he's not doing 'the minimum' and he's setting himself up for complaints and being fired. There are no other variables to his service. How is he different than the dude working in the back of the pizza joint? Or from the guy shlepping McFlurries out the drive through window?

Anyways, I tip pizza guys because its expected, but I resent them for it.

Former pizza delivery guy chiming in...

It's really easy to "shoot the messenger." If the pizza took too long, 99.9999999999% of the time, it's not at all the driver's fault. Typically, the ONLY time a driver takes too long to get somewhere is if they are new and get lost on the way. There are about a million variables to the delivery driver's service...

Did the person taking the phone order (quite possibly the delivery guy himself) place it properly and in a timely fashion?
Did the person building the pizza make it properly? Was it put in the oven on time?
How busy is the store? A pizza oven is only so big, and if there is no room for more pizza, the next pizza has to wait. Since there are probably other orders to be made, the finished (but uncooked) pizza is usually set near the oven while the employee goes to make more pizzas. Said pizzas left by the oven can easily be forgotten.
Did the dispatch manager prepare the right order for delivery? Ultimately it's the driver's responsibility to make sure that the order he's given matches what he's supposed to be taking, but occasionally two orders get mixed up.


Typically, the delivery driver is the same as any other employee in the store - when he's not out delivering pizzas, he's making pizzas, answering phones, washing dishes, etc. He is no different from the guy in the back of the pizza joint...except he has to deal with the asshole customer face-to-face.

I'm aware that there are many people in this line of work who are far from responsible, or even from giving two shits about the job they do. But to say that their only job is to drive from point A to point B and that if they aren't there on time they deserve to be complained about and/or fired is pretty harsh, and typically incorrect.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I told myself I wasn't going to open this stupid thread. Do you see what you guys made me do?

[Karlifornia]

Yeah, nothing sucks more than having someone else fuck up, and then you have to go face some pissed off person and get punished for the sins of the world (or sins of your co-workers), when it's almost never the other way around.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Also, I have worked for four different delivery companies. I have never, ever seen a "delivery fee" that eventually went back to the drivers. The only place I worked for that gave the drivers anything other than their hourly wage was Woodstock's Pizza, who paid us $0.25 per delivery - but they were also the only place I worked that didn't charge anything for the delivery.

[Samdari]

That part I'm sure about. There's even specific language in IRS publications specifically saying they cannot use the standard rate if they receive "qualified reimbursement" as negotiated in their 1991 collective bargaining agreement.

So, they are receiving some reimbursement for using their pov's?

[Logan]

I guess what I don't understand is why I should tip a guy because he chose a shitty occupation. I don't tip my garbage man, and his job sucks balls even if he doesn't have to pick up the trash in his own car.

I don't know if it's a US thing, or maybe even limited to certain states, but when I was growing up my parents sure as hell tipped the garbagemen, as did most other people.

[MacroGuru]

I don't know if it's a US thing, or maybe even limited to certain states, but when I was growing up my parents sure as hell tipped the garbagemen, as did most other people.

Out here, the garbage men are Union and get paid quite well.

As for the Pizza place. I have one place close to the house I get my Pizza from. If it's a gameday for me I call for Delivery. If it's not I will pick up. I am on a first name basis with most of the crew, they know they get tipped well with Delivery and I almost get some sort of freebie whenever I order...Usually it's extra garlic bread with mozzarella however it has been pizza, antipasti and wings in the past. Just depends on them and the kind of day they are having. Oh, and I can run a tab here now if I wanted to (Which I took advantage of one day when I showed up to pick up the pizza and left my wallet at home, I turned around the next day and paid for it, plus some)

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't know if it's a US thing, or maybe even limited to certain states, but when I was growing up my parents sure as hell tipped the garbagemen, as did most other people.

I think that was more common when you had regular garbagemen; i.e. the same guy coming to your house most every week.

That's not always the case anymore, there seems to be a rotating cast of characters, any combination of the several of them could be on the truck when it stops at my house. And since it's pretty likely they've all made more in the past couple of years than I have, damned if I'm tipping a half dozen different guys for consistently putting my can back in the wrong place.

[Samdari]

for consistently putting my can back in the wrong place.

Put it back?

I have never seen a garbageman do anything but throw them back in the general direction of the home they started in front of.

Who even sees their garbageman anymore? Aren't most people inside getting ready for work, then at work during the time they would come? I would not recognize any garbageman who had ever come to my house.

[DaddyTorgo]

Also, I have worked for four different delivery companies. I have never, ever seen a "delivery fee" that eventually went back to the drivers. The only place I worked for that gave the drivers anything other than their hourly wage was Woodstock's Pizza, who paid us $0.25 per delivery - but they were also the only place I worked that didn't charge anything for the delivery.

yummy

[gstelmack]

Well, around here they are big on the automated trucks, which means they drive up, push a button, then drive on when it's done.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Put it back?

I have never seen a garbageman do anything but throw them back in the general direction of the home they started in front of.

Who even sees their garbageman anymore? Aren't most people inside getting ready for work, then at work during the time they would come? I would not recognize any garbageman who had ever come to my house.

Until this particular company, I've never had one for whom the general direction meant either put it in the street, the driveway, or the storm gutter where it can wash 50 yards down the hill & land in the wooded lot next door.

All of the companies (at least four of them I know of) who service this neighborhood still have workers dismount at least to put the cans back in place since either they aren't using automated lift & dump or they've had problems with them replacing the cans properly. If they're going to manually put it back after dumping anyway, it's frustrating when they put it somewhere it shouldn't be when it could just as easily be placed safely three feet in the other direction.

You forget/didn't realize, I work from a home office, so I see them maybe half the time.

[Fidatelo]

Former pizza delivery guy chiming in...

It's really easy to "shoot the messenger." If the pizza took too long, 99.9999999999% of the time, it's not at all the driver's fault. Typically, the ONLY time a driver takes too long to get somewhere is if they are new and get lost on the way. There are about a million variables to the delivery driver's service...

Did the person taking the phone order (quite possibly the delivery guy himself) place it properly and in a timely fashion?
Did the person building the pizza make it properly? Was it put in the oven on time?
How busy is the store? A pizza oven is only so big, and if there is no room for more pizza, the next pizza has to wait. Since there are probably other orders to be made, the finished (but uncooked) pizza is usually set near the oven while the employee goes to make more pizzas. Said pizzas left by the oven can easily be forgotten.
Did the dispatch manager prepare the right order for delivery? Ultimately it's the driver's responsibility to make sure that the order he's given matches what he's supposed to be taking, but occasionally two orders get mixed up.


Typically, the delivery driver is the same as any other employee in the store - when he's not out delivering pizzas, he's making pizzas, answering phones, washing dishes, etc. He is no different from the guy in the back of the pizza joint...except he has to deal with the asshole customer face-to-face.

I'm aware that there are many people in this line of work who are far from responsible, or even from giving two shits about the job they do. But to say that their only job is to drive from point A to point B and that if they aren't there on time they deserve to be complained about and/or fired is pretty harsh, and typically incorrect.

Let me put it to you this way: I'm a customer. I don't give a shit if Betty on the phone fucked up, or Joey by the oven fucked up, or Gino at my door fucked up. Here's what I care about: is my pizza relatively warm, and did it come within a reasonable amount of time. If it didn't, I'm not going to ream out any of the above. I'll call up the store and say "my pizza showed up cold/late". The manager can assign blame however he wants, I don't care.

So, my point is this: if Gino (the guy at my door) was not the problem, then he has nothing to worry about. He did his job. If he was the problem, then he deservers to be worried, and should do a better job. In none of these scenarios do I feel that Gino should get an extra couple bucks. He did exactly what he was supposed to, just like any number of other employees back at the pizza joint or in any other workplace.

I worked as a gas jockey for a number of years. I rarely, if ever, got tipped. I still hustled my ass off for my 5 bucks an hour though. You know why? It was my job. I didn't feel shafted every time I checked someones oil and didn't get a tip. I felt like I just earned 1/10th of my hourly wage. Sometimes it was 30 below outside, and the person inside at the till was getting paid the same as I was, even though they were warm and I was freezing. Well, guess what? That's fucking life. A year later I was the warm one because I worked hard and got rewarded for it.

At no point did I ever expect the customers to be paying me for my troubles, unless they started having me do bullshit that was outside the norms of my job, like changing wiper blades or tires or something. If I asked the pizza guy to stop by 7-11 and pick me up a Slurpee on the way over, then sure, the guy deserves a tip. Isn't that what tips are for? As a reward for exceptional service? I'm already paying for regular service, I shouldn't have to tip for that.

[Mustang]

You know why? It was my job. I didn't feel shafted every time I checked someones oil and didn't get a tip. I felt like I just earned 1/10th of my hourly wage.

I would have fired your ass for taking 6 minutes to check oil.

Slacker.

[watravaler]

I don't know if it's a US thing, or maybe even limited to certain states, but when I was growing up my parents sure as hell tipped the garbagemen, as did most other people.

I give them a tip 'round Christmas time, along with the UPS/Fedex drivers/etc...they certainly deserve it, imo...

[Vince, Pt. II]

Tips - To Insure Prompt Service. As you've seen from other comments, people who tip well consistently are looked out for. Drivers (and in-house workers) will work harder to insure that the pizzas are made on time, and that they go out correctly and promptly. If there is extra food (a pizza or side order made incorrectly), it might find its way into the consistent customer's order free of charge as a thank you for being a good customer, instead of in the back room for the employees to enjoy as a reward for working hard.

The delivery driver works his job under the assumption that he is going to get tipped. He didn't invent tipping culture, but he took his job with the tipping culture in mind. Being a pizza delivery driver is a two-edged sword - you can make pretty decent money, but again...you have to deal with assholes. While you say that "Gino" has nothing to worry about if he wasn't the problem...you still aren't tipping him. So it instantly becomes his problem.

Do you tip waiters in restaurants? By your logic, you completely and totally shouldn't. It is their job to bring you the food, refill the drinks, and such. Why are you tipping them if they are simply doing their job?

It is rare that a delivery company will pay their employee for wear and tear on their cars or gas - part of the territory is that they are going to get tipped, and that is intended to cover the costs associated with delivering. If you aren't tipping the delivery driver, you're directly impacting his income. Delivery drivers deserve a tip more than waiters do, more often than not - they are utilizing their car to offer you a service (you don't have to leave your house). Using a car puts mileage, wear and tear, and uses gas (which is expensive as hell), so they are not only "doing their job," but they are spending their own resources on your behalf.

If you don't want to tip for pizza delivery, that is your prerogative - but you are in the minority, and the employees are going to consider you as such. I've never seen a fellow employee spit in anyone's food (and I worked in the food industry for 9 years before I got out), but then again I never worked for the "bottom rung" of Domino's/Pizza Hut/etc.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Put it back?

I have never seen a garbageman do anything but throw them back in the general direction of the home they started in front of.

Who even sees their garbageman anymore? Aren't most people inside getting ready for work, then at work during the time they would come? I would not recognize any garbageman who had ever come to my house.

As a meter reader now, I've run into more than my share of garbage men. What's pretty interesting is watching the different styles in different towns. For example, in Carmel residents don't even have to move their cans to the street. The garbage men will walk up to the side of the house, bring the cans down to the street to empty them, and then put them back exactly how they found them before moving on to the next house.

Most neighborhoods I am aware of, residents drag their cans to the street, the garbage man picks up the trash and leaves the cans on the street, and the residents drag the cans back in the evening.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Also, an addendum to Pizza Delivery guys...

Every single pizza place I've worked for, the Delivery Guys are required to "tip out" the in house staff - a percentage of their tips every day is put into the general employee tip jar to be shared by all. So you aren't just tipping Gino the delivery guy. Typically 10-25% of your tip goes into the employee fund.

[watravaler]

If you don't want to tip for pizza delivery, that is your prerogative - but you are in the minority, and the employees are going to consider you as such. I've never seen a fellow employee spit in anyone's food (and I worked in the food industry for 9 years before I got out), but then again I never worked for the "bottom rung" of Domino's/Pizza Hut/etc.

You bring up many good points, nice post. However, the turnover at these places allow the bad/no-tip crowd to feel fairly safe about the possibility of "extra" toppings. The drivers at these places are so over-worked, most of the them don't remember that someone is a bad tipper until they appear at the front door for the second time. Just don't order from these places more than once a month if you don't believe in tipping the delivery man.

[Vince, Pt. II]

While this is true...most point-of-sale software creates a "file" for a customer once they have ordered. The file typically has two comment fields - one that is publicly visible ("Go around the corner, it's the third house. Address hard to read."), and another that is not publicly visible, only visible to employees on the computer ("This girl is a bitch. She will start yelling for no apparent reason. Try not to piss her off."). Those comments are permanent, so even if the individual drivers don't know about them, notorious people will become notorious.

[Fidatelo]

Tips - To Insure Prompt Service. As you've seen from other comments, people who tip well consistently are looked out for. Drivers (and in-house workers) will work harder to insure that the pizzas are made on time, and that they go out correctly and promptly. If there is extra food (a pizza or side order made incorrectly), it might find its way into the consistent customer's order free of charge as a thank you for being a good customer, instead of in the back room for the employees to enjoy as a reward for working hard.

The delivery driver works his job under the assumption that he is going to get tipped. He didn't invent tipping culture, but he took his job with the tipping culture in mind. Being a pizza delivery driver is a two-edged sword - you can make pretty decent money, but again...you have to deal with assholes. While you say that "Gino" has nothing to worry about if he wasn't the problem...you still aren't tipping him. So it instantly becomes his problem.

Do you tip waiters in restaurants? By your logic, you completely and totally shouldn't. It is their job to bring you the food, refill the drinks, and such. Why are you tipping them if they are simply doing their job?

It is rare that a delivery company will pay their employee for wear and tear on their cars or gas - part of the territory is that they are going to get tipped, and that is intended to cover the costs associated with delivering. If you aren't tipping the delivery driver, you're directly impacting his income. Delivery drivers deserve a tip more than waiters do, more often than not - they are utilizing their car to offer you a service (you don't have to leave your house). Using a car puts mileage, wear and tear, and uses gas (which is expensive as hell), so they are not only "doing their job," but they are spending their own resources on your behalf.

If you don't want to tip for pizza delivery, that is your prerogative - but you are in the minority, and the employees are going to consider you as such. I've never seen a fellow employee spit in anyone's food (and I worked in the food industry for 9 years before I got out), but then again I never worked for the "bottom rung" of Domino's/Pizza Hut/etc.

You obviously missed my original post in this thread where I clearly stated that I do indeed tip delivery guys, I just resent them for it. I also stated why I feel wait staff are different: the quality of their service has a massive range, and has a large impact on the enjoyment of the restaurant. A good waiter/waitress makes a huge difference when compared to an average or mediocre one. Those people deserve to be rewarded. Now, again, due to cultural pressures, I tip the average and mediocre ones as well, but again, I resent them for it.

I also think that its pretty lame to tip based on the hope of maybe getting slipped a bonus pizza once in a blue moon. Oh yay! I just paid $50 in tips over the last 10 orders so that someone could spiff me a small leftover pizza. Good deal!

One thing that is amazing me in this thread is that a bunch of Americans are arguing as proponents for peer-pressure-induced socialism. Aren't you guys supposed to be the ultimate capitalists? And yet you argue that its good to subsidize the wage of average employees who took jobs 'expecting' tips for doing nothing more than what they are supposed to be doing in the first place? For some reason it's evil to force everyone in the country to help pay for healthcare (SOCIALISTS!) but it's perfectly ok to instil a culture that essentially requires subsidizing the paycheques of people who are unable/unwilling to get themselves into a better occupation? This baffles me.

[DaddyTorgo]

You obviously missed my original post in this thread where I clearly stated that I do indeed tip delivery guys, I just resent them for it. I also stated why I feel wait staff are different: the quality of their service has a massive range, and has a large impact on the enjoyment of the restaurant. A good waiter/waitress makes a huge difference when compared to an average or mediocre one. Those people deserve to be rewarded. Now, again, due to cultural pressures, I tip the average and mediocre ones as well, but again, I resent them for it.

I also think that its pretty lame to tip based on the hope of maybe getting slipped a bonus pizza once in a blue moon. Oh yay! I just paid $50 in tips over the last 10 orders so that someone could spiff me a small leftover pizza. Good deal!

One thing that is amazing me in this thread is that a bunch of Americans are arguing as proponents for peer-pressure-induced socialism. Aren't you guys supposed to be the ultimate capitalists? And yet you argue that its good to subsidize the wage of average employees who took jobs 'expecting' tips for doing nothing more than what they are supposed to be doing in the first place? For some reason it's evil to force everyone in the country to help pay for healthcare (SOCIALISTS!) but it's perfectly ok to instil a culture that essentially requires subsidizing the paycheques of people who are unable/unwilling to get themselves into a better occupation? This baffles me.

WELCOME TO HOLLYWOOD!!!

[Fidatelo]

lol

[MikeVic]

One thing that is amazing me in this thread is that a bunch of Americans are arguing as proponents for peer-pressure-induced socialism. Aren't you guys supposed to be the ultimate capitalists? And yet you argue that its good to subsidize the wage of average employees who took jobs 'expecting' tips for doing nothing more than what they are supposed to be doing in the first place? For some reason it's evil to force everyone in the country to help pay for healthcare (SOCIALISTS!) but it's perfectly ok to instil a culture that essentially requires subsidizing the paycheques of people who are unable/unwilling to get themselves into a better occupation? This baffles me.

+1.

I tip because it's expected and I'm called cheap if I don't, or the server/waitress/delivery guy/whatever scowls at me for not tipping. But I'd like for it to be socially acceptable to only tip when it's deserved. Why don't we tip fast food workers too? Burgers and subs I get at places vary in quality too.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Once your "get the owner of the restaurant to pay someone a decent wage so I don't have to tip them anymore" revolution is successful, let me know. Until then the tips are what these people live on and should be seen as the price of going out to eat.

[ISiddiqui]

One thing that is amazing me in this thread is that a bunch of Americans are arguing as proponents for peer-pressure-induced socialism. Aren't you guys supposed to be the ultimate capitalists? And yet you argue that its good to subsidize the wage of average employees who took jobs 'expecting' tips for doing nothing more than what they are supposed to be doing in the first place? For some reason it's evil to force everyone in the country to help pay for healthcare (SOCIALISTS!) but it's perfectly ok to instil a culture that essentially requires subsidizing the paycheques of people who are unable/unwilling to get themselves into a better occupation? This baffles me.

You mean as opposed to allowing them to make minimum wage? Servers at restaurants, at least, are paid less than the stated minimum wage, because it is assumed that tips will cover the rest to allow them to make minimum wage. Is it more "socialist" to increase the minimum wage for those people or to have the consumer pay them a tip on a sliding scale based on their performance?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Servers in MA make $2.15/hr last I saw.

[ISiddiqui]

It is similar in Georgia.

[MikeVic]

How can a place pay someone below minimum wage? Isn't that in place so, you know, people make a MINIMUM WAGE? I haven't heard of this before, and I'm pretty sure that's not how it works here.

$2.15/hour?? What the fuck?

[DaddyTorgo]

tips are counted as part of the income. as long as tips make up the difference it's legal.

The following is from the U.S. Dept. Of Labors web-site regarding wages for tipped employees.

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

[Big Fo]

While this is true...most point-of-sale software creates a "file" for a customer once they have ordered. The file typically has two comment fields - one that is publicly visible ("Go around the corner, it's the third house. Address hard to read."), and another that is not publicly visible, only visible to employees on the computer ("This girl is a bitch. She will start yelling for no apparent reason. Try not to piss her off."). Those comments are permanent, so even if the individual drivers don't know about them, notorious people will become notorious.

Yes, drivers know which houses are good and which ones are bad, people talk. And good houses will get their food first if a good house and a bad house are close enough that the driver takes two orders at once, even if the bad house ordered first.

The two pizza places I delivered for both paid slightly under minimum wage ($5 p/h), both management and drivers knew that the majority of money drivers made would come from tips.

[lungs]

I've never worked for tips but I've gone out on late night missions to punish bad tippers with friends that did work for tips.

[Fidatelo]

Wow, I'm with MikeVic, I can't understand being allowed to pay under minimum wage.

I guess what it comes down to then is that I'm mad that your tip-based pay-scale has, through cultural intermingling, infected my socialist society to the point where I now pay pizza guys both a true minimum wage as well as a culturally required tip, virtually regardless of service performance. They are getting their cake and eating it too.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Blame your socialist brethren, not us ultracapitalists then. ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow, I'm with MikeVic, I can't understand being allowed to pay under minimum wage.

I guess what it comes down to then is that I'm mad that your tip-based pay-scale has, through cultural intermingling, infected my socialist society to the point where I now pay pizza guys both a true minimum wage as well as a culturally required tip, virtually regardless of service performance. They are getting their cake and eating it too.

great post!

[Samdari]

I now pay pizza guys both a true minimum wage as well as a culturally required tip, virtually regardless of service performance. They are getting their cake and eating it too.

Don't they qualify as 'generally tipped' employees? I interviewed for a pizza delivery job (many years ago) that had NO hourly wage. I would have gotten the 75 cent fee they charge, plus tips.

[MikeVic]

I don't have anymore to say, except that I highly disagree with that law.

Are there states that don't allow this?

[SackAttack]

I don't have anymore to say, except that I highly disagree with that law.

Are there states that don't allow this?

Alaska, California, Nevada, Oregon and Washington outright require the minimum rate to be the same for tipped and non-tipped employees (tip credit is not allowed).

Minnesota and Montana allow small businesses to pay a lower minimum wage than large businesses, but the rate is the same for both tipped and non-tipped employees. Nevada has different rates depending on whether health insurance is offered as a benefit by the employer.

New Mexico is listed under the "State Law does not allow Tip Credit" part of the Department of Labor's chart, but has a lower minimum rate for tipped employees than non-tipped. It's kind of fucked up and I wonder if it was meant to go in the next section down, which is all about which states do permit the tip credit.

There are a significant number of states which permit the tip credit only so long as the tips earned plus the minimum rate paid is equal to at least 50 cents greater than the minimum wage.

Source: U.S. Department of Labor - Employment Standards Administration (ESA) - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees (http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/state/tipped.htm)

[MikeVic]

Thanks!

[MikeVic]

So is this the origin of tipping? Making up the salary that people should be getting to be able to live? Why the hell am I tipping crappy service then.

[Vince, Pt. II]

You obviously missed my original post in this thread where I clearly stated that I do indeed tip delivery guys, I just resent them for it. I also stated why I feel wait staff are different: the quality of their service has a massive range, and has a large impact on the enjoyment of the restaurant. A good waiter/waitress makes a huge difference when compared to an average or mediocre one. Those people deserve to be rewarded. Now, again, due to cultural pressures, I tip the average and mediocre ones as well, but again, I resent them for it.

I also think that its pretty lame to tip based on the hope of maybe getting slipped a bonus pizza once in a blue moon. Oh yay! I just paid $50 in tips over the last 10 orders so that someone could spiff me a small leftover pizza. Good deal!

One thing that is amazing me in this thread is that a bunch of Americans are arguing as proponents for peer-pressure-induced socialism. Aren't you guys supposed to be the ultimate capitalists? And yet you argue that its good to subsidize the wage of average employees who took jobs 'expecting' tips for doing nothing more than what they are supposed to be doing in the first place? For some reason it's evil to force everyone in the country to help pay for healthcare (SOCIALISTS!) but it's perfectly ok to instil a culture that essentially requires subsidizing the paycheques of people who are unable/unwilling to get themselves into a better occupation? This baffles me.

Why tip someone for poor service? While I will argue until I'm blue in the face in defense of people who work in tip-related jobs, even I understand that if someone provides poor service that they shouldn't expect as much (or any) tip. A tip is a gratuity - a thank you for providing good service. There were evenings while I was a waiter when I had to pick up the slack for other people, and ended up waiting on 10 or more tables at one time. I understood that as such, I wasn't able to get to everyone as quickly as I would like, and that my tips would suffer as a result. Being in the food service industry, you tend to see plenty of customers that resent you, and a lot of times for reasons that are completely unfathomable to you. It's frustrating for someone to resent you for no apparent reason, and makes it difficult to continue to provide top notch service for them.

As for tipping in order to receive free food...obviously you aren't tipping in the hopes that you get free crap. That happens rarely, if ever. It's a perk.

To claim that waiters and waitresses are people who are unable or unwilling to get "better jobs" and are relying on everyone else to subsidize their paychecks...that seems fairly ridiculous to me. A vast majority of waiters and waitresses are students who need the schedule flexibility, or are recent graduates holding onto the job while they look for a "real" job.

If we want to break my opinion down completely...why the heck are you resentful of someone because you feel obligated to pay them something you don't think they deserve? Just don't pay them - it's optional for a reason.

While I was a server, I would have happily taken your resentment though - as long as you tipped me, you could have been the biggest asshole on the planet and I would have considered it a fair trade.

[Fidatelo]

To claim that waiters and waitresses are people who are unable or unwilling to get "better jobs" and are relying on everyone else to subsidize their paychecks...that seems fairly ridiculous to me. A vast majority of waiters and waitresses are students who need the schedule flexibility, or are recent graduates holding onto the job while they look for a "real" job.

I wasn't claiming waitresses or waiters are those people, I was more referring to pizza delivery men, but whatever, it probably holds true. If you don't like your job, then quit. If the job works because it fits your school schedule, then hey, that's worth something, right? I still think my opinion holds true: if you think you should get tips just because you face a customer, as opposed to the millions of other occupations where people work for low wages but are nicely hidden away, then I think that's 'fairly ridiculous'.

If we want to break my opinion down completely...why the heck are you resentful of someone because you feel obligated to pay them something you don't think they deserve? Just don't pay them - it's optional for a reason.

Except I can't reasonably stiff someone because, according to the social code in this part of the world, then I look like an asshole. I'd rather just bitterly leave a nice tip than be considered a cheap bastard by everyone around me, but it doesn't make my opinion any less relevant.

Now, as I've learned above, it seems that, in the US, the tipping is essentially required because the wait staff or delivery guys are literally earning peanuts otherwise. So if that's the case, then fine. But up here, those guys make the same base coin as everyone at McDonald's or in a clothing store or whatever, and yet for some reason I'm expected to tip them because hey, that's the social convention. I just don't get it, and it bugs me.

[Fidatelo]

While I was a server, I would have happily taken your resentment though - as long as you tipped me, you could have been the biggest asshole on the planet and I would have considered it a fair trade.

Here is the other thing: I'm not an asshole to servers, pizza people, whatever. I treat them quite nicely, sometimes overly nice in fact - I've been told I go too soft on them. Whatever my opinion on social conventions regarding tipping, it doesn't give me a right to be a dick.

[Passacaglia]

You can get cake delivered in Canada? I'm there.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But up here, those guys make the same base coin as everyone at McDonald's or in a clothing store or whatever, and yet for some reason I'm expected to tip them because hey, that's the social convention. I just don't get it, and it bugs me.

Sounds to me like you overvalue the social aspect of tipping too much. It's sort of akin to being polite to some asshole you loathe because you prefer that than the other options. I'd say that's something we all deal with to some extent everyday. But based on your comments it sounds to me as though you ought to definitely be madder at both cross-culturization and the impact of social pressure than at the service industry, the latter is really just a symptom of a bigger issue for you.

And boy were your comments on this confusing the hell out of me until my brain finally registered "he's in Canada stupid" ;) Makes a great deal more sense once I got that part.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Here is the other thing: I'm not an asshole to servers, pizza people, whatever. I treat them quite nicely, sometimes overly nice in fact - I've been told I go too soft on them. Whatever my opinion on social conventions regarding tipping, it doesn't give me a right to be a dick.

To clarify, I didn't think you were an asshole, that was a generalization. I'm glad to hear you treat people well...the people that don't annoy the heck out of me.

I guess this is just one of those things...I was not only born and raised within this culture, but tips accounted for about 90% of my income for just under 10 years of my life. I have wholeheartedly accepted the social convention of tipping, and I don't know that I could possibly be convinced otherwise.

[ISiddiqui]

Sounds to me like you overvalue the social aspect of tipping too much.

Bingo. I'd imagine that in a place where the servers make the same as other min wage earners, not tipping as well wouldn't be seen that poorly. Hell, even down here, if I think someone has done a super crappy job, I won't tip them well (unless I usually go to a place and that poor service is rare).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Bingo. I'd imagine that in a place where the servers make the same as other min wage earners, not tipping as well wouldn't be seen that poorly. Hell, even down here, if I think someone has done a super crappy job, I won't tip them well (unless I usually go to a place and that poor service is rare).

I'm probably less tolerant of bad service than average (I know that's a shock to most FOFC'ers ;) ) but I tend to take tipping as part & parcel of dining out.

I'm a pretty strict 15% for average guy, 20%-25% if I'm really impressed or occasionally if I see you're getting stiffed by an 8-person table while I'm still getting decent service. But I'll zero your ass if you aren't meeting reasonable minimum standards & I'll make sure to give management an opportunity to train up to boot.

But by the same token, I'll also speak to mgmt on the way out to praise good efforts, especially in a few places where I know they're somewhat open to that, if I know the server is new but I like the work ethic I see, they're trying hard but fighting an uphill battle due to other issues in the restaurant, etc.

[Blackadar]

Marriott to urge guests to tip their housekeepers as part of new campaign - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/marriott-to-urge-guests-to-tip-their-housekeepers-as-part-of-new-campaign/2014/09/12/5e6c23a8-38ff-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html)

I'm not tipping housekeepers. I'm tired of this "tipping economy" where companies underpay their workers and expect me to make up the difference. If Marriott thinks their employees need a raise, as their employer, Marriott is in the perfect position to rectify the situation! I'm Executive Platinum Marriott customer too.

For those who think I'm cheap, I travel for business all the time. My customers generally will not pay for tips for hotel rooms. So if I left $3 per day, I'd be out somewhere around $400-$500 per year. I don't see anyone else asking me to fork over a monthly car payment or November's monthly food budget because someone else underpaid their employees.

[TroyF]

Marriott to urge guests to tip their housekeepers as part of new campaign - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/marriott-to-urge-guests-to-tip-their-housekeepers-as-part-of-new-campaign/2014/09/12/5e6c23a8-38ff-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html)

I'm not tipping housekeepers. I'm tired of this "tipping economy" where companies underpay their workers and expect me to make up the difference. If Marriott thinks their employees need a raise, as their employer, Marriott is in the perfect position to rectify the situation! I'm Executive Platinum Marriott customer too.

For those who think I'm cheap, I travel for business all the time. My customers generally will not pay for tips for hotel rooms. So if I left $3 per day, I'd be out somewhere around $400-$500 per year. I don't see anyone else asking me to fork over a monthly car payment or November's monthly food budget because someone else underpaid their employees.

I don't travel as much as I once did, but this echos my thoughts. My employer wouldn't cover it either. No way in hell I could have afforded to tip 3 bucks a night.

[sterlingice]

Marriott to urge guests to tip their housekeepers as part of new campaign - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/marriott-to-urge-guests-to-tip-their-housekeepers-as-part-of-new-campaign/2014/09/12/5e6c23a8-38ff-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html)

I'm not tipping housekeepers. I'm tired of this "tipping economy" where companies underpay their workers and expect me to make up the difference. If Marriott thinks their employees need a raise, as their employer, Marriott is in the perfect position to rectify the situation! I'm Executive Platinum Marriott customer too.

For those who think I'm cheap, I travel for business all the time. My customers generally will not pay for tips for hotel rooms. So if I left $3 per day, I'd be out somewhere around $400-$500 per year. I don't see anyone else asking me to fork over a monthly car payment or November's monthly food budget because someone else underpaid their employees.

I think Marriott enjoys a hearty "eff you" for this policy. The bolded says it all

I hate the idea of tipping in this country, as is. And not because I'm cheap but because of its depressing effect on wages and all the evidence that has come out that it's horribly discriminatory

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[Logan]

At least the motivation is much clearer here than what all the hotels are doing now with "we care about the environment, and washing towels every day is a waste of water" BS.

I'm a very good tipper in general but something about the maid service really burns me up. Maybe it's because they are literally doing their job and nothing more. I don't even want or care for regular service when I'm in a hotel anyway. I put up the Do Not Disturb sign and I can get by with what's in the room. The exception being all inclusives where they stock the mini bar...then I'll tip. If for some reason I need more towels, I'll call and request them and tip a couple bucks to whoever comes to the door.

[molson]

You should tip if you take a huge dump in the bed, or if any prostitutes die in your room.

Otherwise, this really is a place where a line needs to be drawn. Do we have to tip the people that clean and wash the rental car when we're done with it? What about the people that clean up the stadium after a game?

[Lathum]

I worked for tips as a bartender for years and I am fully in the camp of it makes no sense to tip housekeeping.

You tip when you receive prompt, courteous service or someone goes above and beyond. Servers, bartenders, delivery people, etc… How exactly does housekeeping fit in to that criteria? I never see them and if I am at work or vacation I really have no clue if they were prompt or not. The exception is if I am on a cruise or at a resort and they make monkeys or something out of the towel.

[CraigSca]

I'm in the same boat - it's almost a "so you won't feel bad" economy. It's the same for me when I order a coffee from Dunkin Donuts - I'm not asking for a double latte with caramel and whipped cream. I just want a coffee - why do i feel bad, then, when I see the tip jar out and I ignore it?

I've done the same with housepkeeping - sometimes I remember, sometimes I forget, and sometimes I think, "this is coming out of my own pocket" when on business trips. I don't know, I've had a couple times where the housekeeper gives you extra soap or something, but it's not like you're getting extra or better service by paying attention to them.

[Izulde]

OTOH, some people might want to play just the tip with their housekeepers. :D

On a more serious note, I've tipped housekeeping before, but only if I'm staying in the same room at least 3 nights in a row. Less than that, I don't.

[Ryche]

I'm a very good tipper in general but something about the maid service really burns me up. Maybe it's because they are literally doing their job and nothing more. I don't even want or care for regular service when I'm in a hotel anyway. I put up the Do Not Disturb sign and I can get by with what's in the room. The exception being all inclusives where they stock the mini bar...then I'll tip. If for some reason I need more towels, I'll call and request them and tip a couple bucks to whoever comes to the door.

This. I really do not want or need housekeeping in my room unless I'm there for like a week.

[Blackadar]

This. I really do not want or need housekeeping in my room unless I'm there for like a week.

I don't either, but as an "Executive Platinum" member if I hang a Do Not Disturb sign on my door for a couple of days, I WILL get a call from hotel management to inquire what they can do to help me. I'd rather not deal with the call, so I don't bother hanging the DND sign out anymore.

[dubb93]

Had something hit my Facebook feed the other day from someone whom I haven't had contact with since high school. They were bitching about people tipping them with credit/debit cards. Gist of it was to always remember, if you tip someone with a card that you should always tip them more because that money gets attached to their wages and they have to pay taxes on it. Definitely pissed me off when I read it.

[NobodyHere]

Being the cheap bastard that I am, I generally will not go places where I am expected to tip. It seems to me that it is an underhanded way to get customers to pay more for the same service.

[Blackadar]

Had something hit my Facebook feed the other day from someone whom I haven't had contact with since high school. They were bitching about people tipping them with credit/debit cards. Gist of it was to always remember, if you tip someone with a card that you should always tip them more because that money gets attached to their wages and they have to pay taxes on it. Definitely pissed me off when I read it.

That's someone who deserves to get bitch slapped.

[SackAttack]

They have to pay tax on the cash tip, too. It's just that some of them "forget" to claim cash tips.

That's just one of a handful of things that have struck me the last few days. I saw a bumper sticker that read "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Not a new concept, but what it made me think of is the general gist that efforts to keep guns out of the hands of bad people will only harm "law-abiding" citizens.

I thought about that as the car with that bumper sticker made an illegal lane change, going 15 mph above the posted speed limit in a construction zone, without signalling. I think about that as I read about tipped employees implying that you should either pay their tax for them, or help them evade taxes. I think about all the daily things I see where people break one law or another casually, but get up in arms over gun control because they're "law-abiding" citizens. When did "law-abiding" become selective?

Anyway, what I actually STARTED to post about was the upthread from a few years ago discussion of capitalism vs socialism and what it boils down to is that the tip culture is the ultimate expression of capitalism - it's allowing the business owner to pay his labor as little as possible, with society being asked to pick up the tab. The business owner earns the profits on his goods sold, and minimizes his expenses. Socialize the risk, privatize the profits? It's not *exactly* there, but anybody who rants about Obama specifically or Democrats generally being socialist while at the same time resenting the tip culture in specific businesses is a god damned hypocrite. You want your no-holds-barred capitalism?

Thanks for calling Domino's Pizza.

[Warhammer]

I've tipped a housekeeper once. We were in FL, and stayed at the hotel for several days. My youngest son had several stuffed monkeys, and each day the housekeeper arranged them in a different way doing different activities. One day they were sleeping, the next they were reading the hotel manual, the next watching TV as one read the HBO guide.

It was a small thing, but the kids loved it and looked forward to what the monkeys were doing next.

[dubb93]

I quit going to one of my favorite local restaurants when I found out that they keep the tips the servers get to help pay the payroll tax. Was too Amy's Baking Company for me. The owner says he pays them more on the hour than is standard as a way to justify it. I thought about going and just not tipping, but I just haven't been back since I found out.

[DaddyTorgo]

I quit going to one of my favorite local restaurants when I found out that they keep the tips the servers get to help pay the payroll tax. Was too Amy's Baking Company for me. The owner says he pays them more on the hour than is standard as a way to justify it. I thought about going and just not tipping, but I just haven't been back since I found out.

Shouldn't that shit be like...illegal?

[Lathum]

I quit going to one of my favorite local restaurants when I found out that they keep the tips the servers get to help pay the payroll tax. Was too Amy's Baking Company for me. The owner says he pays them more on the hour than is standard as a way to justify it. I thought about going and just not tipping, but I just haven't been back since I found out.

Shouldn't that shit be like...illegal?

It is.

[Lathum]

Being the cheap bastard that I am, I generally will not go places where I am expected to tip. It seems to me that it is an underhanded way to get customers to pay more for the same service.

Are you talking about everywhere, restaurants, etc...or just places like hotels, car washes, etc...?

[Desnudo]

I tip housekeeping $2-3/day. I read it was considered standard about 15 years ago and started. I figure they earn it more than most professions that get tipped, ie the lousy psycho taxi driver. Especially at a residence inn or other place with a kitchen. If you're too cheap or "can't afford" to tip the price of a latte, then leave the DnD sign on your door.

[Marmel]

A lot of cheap bastards at FOFC. You do all realize that if there was no tipping, then the restaurants/hotels/etc. would just raise their prices so they could pay their employees more?

I understand you might hate the tipping culture but that is what we have in this country and you not tipping somebody means they work for nothing for you and you are certainly not going to change the culture with your non-tipping stand.

Most of these tipping jobs are pretty low paying jobs and the workers are lower skilled and depend on your tips to get by, support their family, pay for school so they can get a better job, etc. If you can afford to stay in a hotel, whether corporate paid or not, then you can afford $3 a day and if you can't then at least give them $1 a day or $5 for your whole stay.

[molson]

So would that be a better system overall then? All services being 10-20% cheaper and people being left to their own discretion and social pressure to decide how much to fill that gap?

I'd rather the generous people in our country support good charitable causes instead of be called upon to disproportionally support Marriott's business strategy.

[NobodyHere]

Are you talking about everywhere, restaurants, etc...or just places like hotels, car washes, etc...?

Everywhere , I try to avoid any place where I'm expected to pay a tip.

A lot of cheap bastards at FOFC. You do all realize that if there was no tipping, then the restaurants/hotels/etc. would just raise their prices so they could pay their employees more?


I'm fine with that. I just want the entire bill up front.

[DaddyTorgo]

So would that be a better system overall then? All services being 10-20% cheaper and people being left to their own discretion and social pressure to decide how much to fill that gap?

I'd rather the generous people in our country support good charitable causes instead of be called on to better support the Marriott's business strategy.

Aaah but see, if Marriott can continue to underpay their workers they can create more $$ for shareholders (aka "the well off"). Privatization of profit and socialization of risk & as much expenses as you can get away with, that's the key.

[Lathum]

Everywhere , I try to avoid any place where I'm expected to pay a tip.


You realize most servers make less than minimum wage per hour, many states it is $2.13 an hour, the only way they make money is tips. And if you think you would get the same service without tips you are crazy.

[NobodyHere]

I'm not saying I don't tip servers, I just avoid going to places where I'm expected to tip altogether.

I have no problem with paying servers a good wage and adjusting prices accordingly.

If I don't get good service at a restaurant I don't go back.

[Lathum]

If I don't get good service at a restaurant I don't go back.

Without tipping you would rarely get good service. The incentive to be friendly, prompt, go above and beyond, etc...is hopefully a better tip. Servers who excel at those things make more money, it is a fact.

Take that away and you would get a bunch of apathetic late teen/ early twenties who couldn't care less if you get that refill of blue cheese before you finish your wings.

[molson]

Without tipping you would rarely get good service. The incentive to be friendly, prompt, go above and beyond, etc...is hopefully a better tip. Servers who excel at those things make more money, it is a fact.

Take that away and you would get a bunch of apathetic late teen/ early twenties who couldn't care less if you get that refill of blue cheese before you finish your wings.

Why isn't that true in any other profession? Should I tip my insurance guy to get better service? Would an insurance professional who deals with employees do a better job if the company cut their salary 20% and asked customers to fill the gap with optional payments?

[digamma]

Hey! Good news!

I sold my house $95,000, and I was so excited I tipped my real estate agent $5,000!

[digamma]

(In other words, I paid a commission on a $100,000 sale.)

Same difference really. It is all about incentives. There are obviously lots of different models for compensation and providing incentives to employees, but the service industry seems to have landed on, and we, as consumers, have seemed to accept the tip model.

[chadritt]

Should I tip my insurance guy to get better service? Would an insurance professional who deals with employees do a better job if the company cut their salary 20% and asked customers to fill the gap with optional payments?

Thats called a commission when its an insurance salesman but yes you do.

[molson]

Thats called a commission when its an insurance salesman but yes you do.

Commissions aren't be based on customer discretion.

Edit: But in terms of incentives, insurance salesman were a bad example. But there's plenty of professions that interact with customers in some capacity where the tip culture hasn't developed.

[Lathum]

Why isn't that true in any other profession? Should I tip my insurance guy to get better service? Would an insurance professional who deals with employees do a better job if the company cut their salary 20% and asked customers to fill the gap with optional payments?

For a few reasons.

To me the biggest one is the age/ maturity level of the employees. I'll use your insurance professional as an example. That is likely their career. They want to do well, get promoted, move up the chain, get more business, referrals, etc...That is their incentive.

Your average 20 something server just wants to make it through the shift and get some beers. This isn't any kind of career for 99% of them, there is a reason why the turnover rate is so high.

And I would also argue you do see it in other businesses, maybe not as much though.

The problem with your statement is you are looking at it as a career, and for most it isn't, it is a way to make some quick and easy money.

[molson]

but the service industry seems to have landed on, and we, as consumers, have seemed to accept the tip model.

In a few areas of customer service, but not all. Not fast food, or cashiers, or janitorial staffs, or those who actually prepare the food, or security, etc.

For the others, I too have accepted the tip model. I'm a great tipper. That's part of the annoyance I have with all this. Those who have a conscience subsidize the services of those who don't. That's the business model. I can live with it at restaurants and am not going to take any kind of stand there. The restaurant industry has won. I just really don't want the tipping culture to expand any more.

It's kind of similar to how I feel about piracy. It's really a choice whether to pay for content. Those who choose to pay ultimately subsidize the entertainment of those who don't want to pay. So you have to choose between being ethical and paying in a disproportionate share compared to other people. I'll usually choose to tip, and to pay for the content, even though it leaves me annoyed at the deadbeats, the pirates, and the businesses who take advantage. It's a great system for those deadbeats and pirates. And it's great for the businesses to rely on those with ethics and a conscious to pay some of their expenses.

[INDalltheway]

What are our thoughts on tipping carryout?

[DaddyTorgo]

What are our thoughts on tipping carryout?

1000x no

I tip the HS girl at the pizza place $0.60 cents a week but that's because she brings my pizza to the table and it works out to a round dollar amount that way.

[timmae]

A clean room at a hotel is kinda expected, right? If I am there for several days and get better than average service then yes (or for some above and beyond reasons that soeme have mentioned). Otherwise... thanks for doing your job.

[sterlingice]

Without tipping you would rarely get good service. The incentive to be friendly, prompt, go above and beyond, etc...is hopefully a better tip. Servers who excel at those things make more money, it is a fact.

Take that away and you would get a bunch of apathetic late teen/ early twenties who couldn't care less if you get that refill of blue cheese before you finish your wings.

No, actually, it turns out that there's a growing mountain of evidence that it's not at all true that increased tips gives better service:
Tipless restaurants: The Linkery&rsquo;s owner explains why abolishing tipping made service better. (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2013/08/tipless_restaurants_the_linkery_s_owner_explains_why_abolishing_tipping.2.html)

Or the much more interesting set of stories about how it's discriminatory and how one owner had two restaurants, one with tipping and one without and the results:
Observations From A Tipless Restaurant, Part 1: Overview / Jay Porter (http://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-restaurant-part-1-overview/)

SI

[sterlingice]

A lot of cheap bastards at FOFC. You do all realize that if there was no tipping, then the restaurants/hotels/etc. would just raise their prices so they could pay their employees more?
Yes, which they damn well should rather than relying on social pressure. That way it's the customer's fault if they aren't paid well rather than the company that is responsible for PAYING THEIR WAGES.

SI

[digamma]

What are our thoughts on tipping carryout?

We have about 3 places in our neighborhood where we regularly get take out. I tip generously there for a few reasons. They give us good food which keeps us coming back. They know me and take an interest in my kids. And they are locally owned and I like supporting them.

[dubb93]

It is.

I doubt the guy in question would flaunt it if were actually illegal. The place in question doesn't have wait staff, per say. You order and pay at a cash register. The kitchen staff brings the food and your drink to your table and the cashier checks regularly for drinks that need refilled. The place is cash only and all tips are handled by placing money in a tip jar by the cash register.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What are our thoughts on tipping carryout?

typically no.

A copule of places where I've had people go above & beyond the norm with special care in packing an order to-go or something like that, yeah, I've done it.
But typically, no.

[corbes]

We have about 3 places in our neighborhood where we regularly get take out. I tip generously there for a few reasons. They give us good food which keeps us coming back. They know me and take an interest in my kids. And they are locally owned and I like supporting them.

+1 esp. with the locally-owned places. It's in my self interest to help ensure that the amazing local pizza shop in town stays in business.

[Blackadar]

A lot of cheap bastards at FOFC. You do all realize that if there was no tipping, then the restaurants/hotels/etc. would just raise their prices so they could pay their employees more?

And I'm fine with that. My client would cover the increased hotel cost. But I don't feel like paying $400 a year on tipping the hotel staff (who makes more than minimum wage) out of my own pocket while on business. Even $1 per day puts me out about $200/yr. That's not chump change.

Besides, I am (or my client is) paying often $200+/night on my hotel room. Isn't a clean bed and clean towels to be expected in that price?

[timmae]

Besides, I am (or my client is) paying often $200+/night on my hotel room. Isn't a clean bed and clean towels to be expected in that price?

I'd be interested to know the difference in wages between a janitorial/cleaning person at the local Motel 8 ($50/night) vs a high end chain/boutique hotel ($300/night). I also think it is part of the implied value of going with the higher rates hotels.

On a side note, the Congress Plaza Hotel cleaning staff was on strike for about 10 years. The strike ended last year without any concessions being made by the hotel management. Um... yeah.

[DaddyTorgo]

And I'm fine with that. My client would cover the increased hotel cost. But I don't feel like paying $400 a year on tipping the hotel staff (who makes more than minimum wage) out of my own pocket while on business. Even $1 per day puts me out about $200/yr. That's not chump change.

Besides, I am (or my client is) paying often $200+/night on my hotel room. Isn't a clean bed and clean towels to be expected in that price?

I agree with this.

[Warhammer]

On a side note, the Congress Plaza Hotel cleaning staff was on strike for about 10 years. The strike ended last year without any concessions being made by the hotel management. Um... yeah.

So the staff went on strike, and management figured out they got along fine with out the workers. The problem with this is what?

[MacroGuru]

And I'm fine with that. My client would cover the increased hotel cost. But I don't feel like paying $400 a year on tipping the hotel staff (who makes more than minimum wage) out of my own pocket while on business. Even $1 per day puts me out about $200/yr. That's not chump change.

Besides, I am (or my client is) paying often $200+/night on my hotel room. Isn't a clean bed and clean towels to be expected in that price?

I agree with Blackadar. I travel and stay in hotels 132+ days a year and with costs avg around $150+ a night per room which I am reimbursed on. Throw in a $2 tip a day and I am now shelling out $260 a year on money I can't get back.

Other issues I have with this:

Most bedding isn't changed daily in Hotels anymore unless you check out, meaning I am sleeping in the same bedding and they are making my bed.
Towels, if not left on the floor are folded quickly and put back on the rack, again reusing
They are now in essence vacuuming my room, which I haven't made dirtyTo me, they are paid above minimum wage to do a fairly easy job. Granted it's not grandiose, but they are taken care of and in certain areas they are union and taken care of there.

I have been traveling for work for almost my entire professional career and it is a solid stance I have taken for the longest time (I used to tip the staff, but service has gone downhill since the "green" movement)

[DanGarion]

Had something hit my Facebook feed the other day from someone whom I haven't had contact with since high school. They were bitching about people tipping them with credit/debit cards. Gist of it was to always remember, if you tip someone with a card that you should always tip them more because that money gets attached to their wages and they have to pay taxes on it. Definitely pissed me off when I read it.

You mean they are obligated to pay the taxes that they already should be paying! Oh heavens! The nerve! :)

[DaddyTorgo]

You mean they are obligated to pay the taxes that they already should be paying! Oh heavens! The nerve! :)

I feel like if I tip in cash by that logic I should be tipping less than 15% in order to equalize for the fact that they're not going to be paying taxes on it apparently.

Right??

Turnabout is fair play.

Seriously, this just occurred to me.

[AENeuman]

It's kind of similar to how I feel about piracy. It's really a choice whether to pay for content. Those who choose to pay ultimately subsidize the entertainment of those who don't want to pay. So you have to choose between being ethical and paying in a disproportionate share compared to other people. I'll usually choose to tip, and to pay for the content, even though it leaves me annoyed at the deadbeats, the pirates, and the businesses who take advantage. It's a great system for those deadbeats and pirates. And it's great for the businesses to rely on those with ethics and a conscious to pay some of their expenses.

Was exactly my thinking too.

However, I guess if a musician had to personally hand you their album, there would be a lot less theft.

For me, it is a system of massive inequality. Tipping does not guarantee the same pay for the same work. It is left to the discriminating preferences of the customer. I assume that given the choice the owners benefit more from the tipping culture than the servers, thus it will never change.

[Blackadar]

I also love how the tipping percentage continues to rise for waitstaff. It used to be 10% was acceptable, then 15% was considered a "good" tip, now you have many people saying 18% minimum, 20% is normal and 25% for good service. It's getting more and more absurd.

[AENeuman]

I also love how the tipping percentage continues to rise for waitstaff. It used to be 10% was acceptable, then 15% was considered a "good" tip, now you have many people saying 18% minimum, 20% is normal and 25% for good service. It's getting more and more absurd.

I wonder if churches feel any pressure to raise their tithing expectations? I mean if the stoner waiter who forgot my drink order gets 18%, God should at least get 12% :devil:

[MacroGuru]

I also love how the tipping percentage continues to rise for waitstaff. It used to be 10% was acceptable, then 15% was considered a "good" tip, now you have many people saying 18% minimum, 20% is normal and 25% for good service. It's getting more and more absurd.

For me the baseline is 20% and always has been. From there I take it up and down depending on service. I have dropped my tip % to as low as 10% and I have had an amazing night where I was footing the bill as a last hurrah at a company and the wait staff was amazing and I tipped 35%.

I understand how they are paid (I bussed as a teen, one of my first jobs and waitresses split their tips with us if we kept their sections hopping), I hate how they are paid and wouldn't mind paying the higher prices eating out if they were paid appropriately and tips were eliminated all together. It will never happen, but it's a dream...

[Lathum]

I also love how the tipping percentage continues to rise for waitstaff. It used to be 10% was acceptable, then 15% was considered a "good" tip, now you have many people saying 18% minimum, 20% is normal and 25% for good service. It's getting more and more absurd.

When was 10% acceptable?

[Blackadar]

For me the baseline is 20% and always has been. From there I take it up and down depending on service. I have dropped my tip % to as low as 10% and I have had an amazing night where I was footing the bill as a last hurrah at a company and the wait staff was amazing and I tipped 35%.

I understand how they are paid (I bussed as a teen, one of my first jobs and waitresses split their tips with us if we kept their sections hopping), I hate how they are paid and wouldn't mind paying the higher prices eating out if they were paid appropriately and tips were eliminated all together. It will never happen, but it's a dream...

Except socially, the baseline has never been 20% until very recently. 50-60 years ago 10% was pretty standard. Then it rose to 15% somewhere between the 50s and the 70s. Now it's 20% and some people are arguing that it should be 25%? Hell, some restaurants in Manhattan are suggesting 30%!!! That's just absurd. Hell, my clients won't even reimburse anything higher than 18-20% (depending on the client). Now remember we're talking about a percentage on the bill, so someone can't site cost-of-living as the reason to raise the number. The raw dollars have gone up as the price of the food has gone up!

What about the states where the minimum wage is above $2.13? In California the minimum is $9 an hour. 20% on top of that? Damn, must be nice to be a waiter there! In Florida it's $4.91/hr. FL can be a pretty cheap state to live in, so we're not talking about needing a higher base to support the cost of living. How should the higher base factor in?

In short, "tipcreep" is getting out of hand. I say 15%!

https://td421.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-line-must-be-drawn-here.jpg

[MacroGuru]

Now it's 20% and some people are arguing that it should be 25%? Hell, some restaurants in Manhattan are suggesting 30%!!! That's just absurd.

In short, "tipcreep" is getting out of hand. I say 15%!


Baseline should stay where it is at, I don't think it should creep anymore, so I do agree with you there. And 25-30% constantly when the service is deteriorating in most locales, hell no.

[Lathum]

In California the minimum is $9 an hour. 20% on top of that? Damn, must be nice to be a waiter there! ]

There are no waiters there, just actors.

[molson]

Has anyone ever worked as a waiter at a high-end restaurant? I've always wondered how much you could make at a place like that in an era of 25%+ tips and huge bills. Obviously, they're not hiring waiters off the street. But some of them must do really well.

[Coffee Warlord]

Secondhand info, but I've been told several of the experienced waiters at Wildfire (a higher end steakhouse) clear about 70k / year, if not more.

[Lathum]

Has anyone ever worked as a waiter at a high-end restaurant? I've always wondered how much you could make at a place like that in an era of 25%+ tips and huge bills. Obviously, they're not hiring waiters off the street. But some of them must do really well.

You can do realy well.

My ex worked summers at an upscale seafood place on the Jersey Shore about 15 years ago. The type of place people parked their very expensive boats and ate at. On a good night she would make over $300.

I bartended in the same shore town and on a bad night made over $300. So combined in the summer we were bringin in 2-3K a week, mostly cash.

[Blackadar]

Has anyone ever worked as a waiter at a high-end restaurant? I've always wondered how much you could make at a place like that in an era of 25%+ tips and huge bills. Obviously, they're not hiring waiters off the street. But some of them must do really well.

$80k - $150k.

Waiting Tables at Eleven Madison Park, Per Se, Alinea Becomes Career Path - WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304137304579292350943682222)

I heard that the staff at Bern's Steak House in Tamp make about $100k/yr. Remember that a good portion of that money isn't taxed.

[Lathum]

Keep in mind, waiting tables at a high end restaurant is every bit as skilled a profession as any other profession. It is more than just taking a food order and bringing the food from the kitchen.

I waited tables at a very high end country club and there is a lot that goes into it.

[MacroGuru]

Has anyone ever worked as a waiter at a high-end restaurant? I've always wondered how much you could make at a place like that in an era of 25%+ tips and huge bills. Obviously, they're not hiring waiters off the street. But some of them must do really well.

Rendevouz in Memphis have waiters pulling down 6 figures a year and the waiting list to work there is long.

[ISiddiqui]

For me the baseline is 20% and always has been.

Same here (it's also easy to calculate ;)).

I hate how they are paid and wouldn't mind paying the higher prices eating out if they were paid appropriately and tips were eliminated all together. It will never happen, but it's a dream...

Interestingly in some states they are paid appropriately. I had no idea until someone mentioned California they get paid regular min wage...

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

Of course, I live in GA where they get paid $2.13... I think tipping culture will end when it becomes a federal rule to pay servers the fed min wage. Right now, the patchwork of states makes it a strange situation to eliminate tipping altogether.

[Logan]

Do you Californians tip differently than you would if you previously lived elsewhere, or are traveling?

[Blackadar]

Do you Californians tip differently than you would if you previously lived elsewhere, or are traveling?

It's a good question. Ostensibly the reason to tip is to ensure service, but the real reason you'll hear is so people can actually make money at their jobs because restaurants don't pay their workers. With wait staff already making $9/hr in CA and that being factored into the price of your food, do you still leave 15%? Seems like double-dipping to me...or more tipcreep!

[DaddyTorgo]

It's a good question. Ostensibly the reason to tip is to ensure service, but the real reason you'll hear is so people can actually make money at their jobs because restaurants don't pay their workers. With wait staff already making $9/hr in CA and that being factored into the price of your food, do you still leave 15%? Seems like double-dipping to me...or more tipcreep!

I bet this doesn't even register with most people in CA, but it's a good point.

[chadritt]

I honestly dont know that anyone could live off $9/hour in LA for long but I didnt realize they were making that much.

[Scarecrow]

My tipping philosophy:

I take the sales tax (7.9% here), double it, and adjust the total bill either up or down to the nearest dollar based on service.

$50 meal
$3.95 tax
$53.95 pre-tip
$7.05-8.05 tip (14.1%-16.1%)
$61.00 - $62.00 final bill

[SackAttack]

Of course, I live in GA where they get paid $2.13... I think tipping culture will end when it becomes a federal rule to pay servers the fed min wage. Right now, the patchwork of states makes it a strange situation to eliminate tipping altogether.

Won't happen until the 2010 gerrymandering gets undone. If ever.

Here's the thing: allowing JOB CREATORS to pay their staff $2.13/hour and tell those people to bootstrap their way into a living wage is a completely Republican worldview. There is no Republican who's going to vote for revoking a circumstantial exemption to the minimum wage. They'll use the same argument against that as they do over the idea of raising the minimum wage for non-exempt hourly employees from $7.50 to $9 (because god forbid the minimum wage should have the same buying power in 2014 it had under Reagan).

[digamma]

Do you Californians tip differently than you would if you previously lived elsewhere, or are traveling?

No.

[DanGarion]

I also love how the tipping percentage continues to rise for waitstaff. It used to be 10% was acceptable, then 15% was considered a "good" tip, now you have many people saying 18% minimum, 20% is normal and 25% for good service. It's getting more and more absurd.

The tipping percentage keeps rising just as the price of food does. So not only do people expect more % but they get even more because the price as rose.

So a bill that used to be $20 would get you a $2 tip now costs $30 and gets you $6! Brilliant!

[DanGarion]

When was 10% acceptable?

In the 80s tipping was 10-15%.

[DanGarion]

How many of you lazy bums tip after tax instead of before tax?

[Izulde]

Yeah I calculate after tax.

[Lathum]

In the 80s tipping was 10-15%.

I always remember the standard being 15%. My family ate out relativly often back then and I always remember my Dad saying that was the minimum barring bad service.

[DanGarion]

I always remember the standard being 15%. My family ate out relativly often back then and I always remember my Dad saying that was the minimum barring bad service.

I get my 80s tipping etiquette from Entertainment Guide coupons. I remember the book used to list that tipping was 10-15% of the before tip amount.

[DanGarion]

Yeah I calculate after tax.

So you are actually tipping an extra 1.6%? You like just throwing your money away eh?

[TroyF]

Do you Californians tip differently than you would if you previously lived elsewhere, or are traveling?

Very simple answer. No. I tip the same everywhere.

Here is how I tip:

1) Start at 20% of the total bill (yep, after tax)
2) To get your 20%, be polite, get my order right, keep my glass filled, be polite
3) Some of those things don't happen, you start sliding quickly. 20% can turn into 5% with the "you are ruining my life because you came here to eat" attitude.

As a standard rule, there isn't a lot of middle ground. Either the wait staff did a good job and earned their 20% or they drop below 10% and get pissed off. I don't have to worry much about spitting in my food because I'm a bad tipper. . . if the service sucks, I will rarely go back.

[RainMaker]

Are you supposed to tip on takeout orders? At nicer restaurants that is.

[MrBug708]

I don't and I generally tip everywhere

[CU Tiger]

Are you supposed to tip on takeout orders? At nicer restaurants that is.

Heck no. They did nothing but hand you a bag.



This week I had a bedroom suite delved to my house. It was raining. The three dudes who delivered it set up an ez up tent outside and pretty assembled all they could there. They took their shoes off and apologized for water dripping off their clothes on the floor. I tipped them $40 ...largely because I only had 2 20s. 20 seemed too cheap. 40 seemed a bit much but whatever it's Christmas. About an hour after they left I realized they had ruined the dresser by ripping 2 boards apart when they assembled it with screw guns. The company was great and is sending a replacement..but I almost feel bad because I don't plan on tipping the delivery guy on the replacement....

[I. J. Reilly]

Are you supposed to tip on takeout orders? At nicer restaurants that is.

I do. Only a few bucks or so, $5 at most

On another note, do you tip for complementary service?

The one that always throws me off is when I get my tires rotated, part of the purchase was free rotations for the life of the tires. I tipped once and the guy seemed really uncomfortable but he did take it, and then other times when I haven't it seemed like they were waiting for something. Maybe just my imagination.

[stevew]

Are you supposed to tip on takeout orders? At nicer restaurants that is.

Depends on how the orders are routed and who is responsible for the tax implications of the take out orders. There's generally more to the order than simply throwing your shit in a bag and handing it to you. I wouldn't tip 20% or anything, but 3-5 bucks, sure.

[rowech]

Are you supposed to tip on takeout orders? At nicer restaurants that is.

I tip 10% on takeout.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Heck no. They did nothing but hand you a bag...

This is patently false in about 100% of take out situations. Typically whoever is in charge of take out orders is responsible for taking, packaging, bagging, arranging, and organizing the order. Think about it - a plated order comes out of the kitchen, a waiter picks it up and walks it to the table. Meanwhile, a takeout order comes and the take out clerk has to package it (some times going as far as moving it from a plate to a take out box, though it's much more common to simply have to put a lid on it), secure it so it won't open in transit, bag it, put it with the rest of the order, and keep it warm/cold until the customer gets there. And they have no limit to the number of customers they have to deal with - waiters are inherently throttled by the number of tables they have in their section. Add in the fact that they are their own busboy/barback/restocker, and it's a pretty solid workload for little reward.

Honestly, they do more work than a waiter most of the time, aside from drink refills.

[Dutch]

Think of it as tipping the chef or cooks, not the lack of a food server.

[PilotMan]

Heck no. They did nothing but hand you a bag.

This is about as wrong as wrong can be. Even in smaller restaurants the person taking the order has to check it, expedite the order from the kitchen, add all the extras to the order that the kitchen doesn't put on it and make sure it's ready when you get there. It's probably only 1 person handling all the orders, and they are working hard like a server would be. In my previous career as a manager, the girls would generally fight over who had to do it because it's a lot of work for not enough tips.

In a nicer restaurant you should certainly be tipping for carryout.

[digamma]

Definitely for takeout, in part for the reasons suggested, but also because the restaurants where I tend to get takeout are repeat places and we've got to take care of each other. :)

[larrymcg421]

I tip 20% as standard and may go higher, but almost never go lower. The way I look at it, I've had lots of bad days at work throughout my professional life. But no matter how bad I screwed up, I still received the same hourly or salary pay. Also, I don't think anyone, even someone who screws up or has a bad attitude, deserves $2.13 an hour.

[Chief Rum]

Heck no. They did nothing but hand you a bag.

That's not all they do. They also deal directly with you (and for some of the people that come in, that alone is worth a tip), handle your payment, and ensure that the food you are receiving is properly packaged (they are likely doing that packaging themselves, btw) and that you have everything you need for a good meal.

While I certainly don't think that is worth some standard 15% tip, it wouldn't hurt to give them a buck or two or three (depending on order size) for the effort.

[RainMaker]

Car wash towel dryers. How much and what if there are 2?

[stevew]

How much was the wash itself? Thinking $2 or so total

[PilotMan]

I've tipped based on how good a job they do and how detailed they are about the inside. I'm assuming they are vacuuming the inside and trunk, plus wiping everything down. If they do a good job I'll do $2 per person, if it's just outside half that.

[CU Tiger]

I always give the towel dryer guys $5

[MrBug708]

I give about 3 for the standard wash if it goes a decent amount of time to clean. If I get a better wash package, I pay more. Lately they've been turning and burning and doing a terrible job.

[miami_fan]

We got the first Christmas gratuity envelope from our garbage guys this morning.

[Mike Lowe]

nevermind

[larrymcg421]

I'm just gonna say yikes to a comment on the first page of this thread.

[Lathum]

Why are the default tipping screens set so high? | The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/3769231-tipping-fatigue-is-real-but-businesses-may-not-care/)

[NobodyHere]

I refuse to go places where I am expected to tip. I don't go to restaurants and and I don't order delivery.

And for some reason it annoys me to no end when I get asked for a tip when I pick up a pizza at Dominos. I stopped going there (which is probably better for my diet anyways).

[molson]

A few new places I've seen tip requests recently - doggy day care and boarding, and contractors doing work on your house.

Maybe we should try to reverse this. If there's a money-for-labor exchange at a set price, why should the person providing the money be the party that gives extra at the end?

Maybe the guy doing some repair or installation should say, "hey, thanks for being patient, I knew this took twice as long as we said it would, but you were nice, let us use the bathroom, stayed out of our way, so I'm going to knock off 10% on the price". And then if they don't tip us, we can go on the internet and complain that they're cheap.

[thesloppy]

The convenience store near me has added an unofficial tip jar to their counter.

[sterlingice]

The "fun" part about tipping is that it seems like a lot of time the tips don't even go to the workers, just back to the business. And even if it did go to the workers, you kindof get the idea that it's like the lottery money shell game where they just take it from somewhere else in the budget. Like the tip jar money would go to the worker but then, suddenly, in the budget, they wouldn't get their annual raise or whatever because they're getting the tip jar.

SI

[Toddzilla]

I'll always tip, and I'm happy to give more to anyone that's done a little something extra. People in the service industry always get something, they're trying to make a living and pay the bills. Five bucks never hurts.

I'll never understand, however, the jerks that don't tip and take some perverse pride in refusing to do so. I don't know who they are trying to impress or what they what to convey about themselves - but it always just makes them the biggest asshole in the room.

[Solecismic]

Why are the default tipping screens set so high? | The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/3769231-tipping-fatigue-is-real-but-businesses-may-not-care/)

That's something I've noticed. I hope I've always been a good tipper when it comes to dining in, definitely aware that hourly pay is low because tips make up for it and that it encourages people who are good at their job to remain in service.

I've never tipped on take-out, though. Perhaps if I could open the bag and examine everything? But then I'm holding everyone up and making my food colder. So I take it home. There's no practical way to evaluate or reward good service until then.

Otherwise, at the restaurant, I can only be annoyed. And that's if the food isn't ready or I have to wait a long time to pay, maybe? And this has nothing to do with servers or maybe even the people who prepared the food. It's all a function of the restaurant. Tipping take-out is effectively tipping management when they're the ones setting the price of the food in the first place.

I don't want to be cheap with servers, but I just don't like the default tip screens. It feels like shaming when I have to click four extra buttons to decline to tip. I have stopped getting take-out at restaurants that use it.

I also worry when ordering online, because if the people preparing my meal see that I'm not tipping in advance, do they give me poor service? Seems like a minefield there, so I choose to pay at the restaurant.

I guess the restaurants do this because it works, but all it has done in our case is make take-out night Asian take-out night, because Asian restaurants in our area have not adopted the format.

[Edward64]

When dining in, I tip 20%. I don't tip for pickup (and hate the systems that defaults to a tip when doing pickup).

We used to order delivery but there was the delivery fee and then also tip expected. We haven't done that since Covid hit.

I used to tip Uber if it was good service. I do tip 20% for my haircut. Tip some change when I'm at a fancy hotel and they insist on taking my luggage to my room (typically in Asia).

I did try tipping in Belgium when I had a business dinner. Client gave me the "no" look so I didn't. Funny thing, she came to the US and took team out to nice steakhouse, she asked me how much to tip and I said 15-20%.

[Ksyrup]

Since the pandemic, I've routinely been tipping higher. Usually 30% or more.

But yeah, from what I've seen, the tipping screens at places where they do nothing or the minimum started at Panera and it's a shitty trend. Let me get this straight - you want me to tip you up-front, and then I have to seat myself, get my own drinks, go pick up my food from your counter, and then friggin walk my dirty plates over to the garbage can and separate the garbage from the plates and silverware? What effing planet are you people from? If I could deduct $5 on principle, I would.

[Ksyrup]

I know it's charity and not tipping, but I always think of this episode of South Park when it comes to the tipping screens:

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Tipping annoyance (that I've noticed more recently): Uber et al auto figuring the driver tip based on the cost of the food PLUS the random delivery upcharge.

($1.49 delivery fee cited up front turns into $7.00 based on number of items ... but they include the friggin Taco Bell sauce packets as though you're ordering fucking 10 extra bricks or lead weights or something)

[Ghost Econ]

As if tipping isn't annoying enough, they're adding transaction fees to eating now.
Transaction Fee for All Transactions (https://www.reddit.com/r/greenville/comments/1kmozh4/is_this_a_thing_now/#lightbox)

[dubb93]

Anyone use Wal Mart+ store delivery? Are you supposed to tip them? I ordered something that I thought was coming in the mail and it ended up coming from the store. There isn’t even an option in app to tip but when I got the delivery it had a drivers name attached to it. I guess I could have left an envelope on my porch but that seems kind of excessive. I doubt the poor guy made any money on my mistake as it was a $6 item brought to me 22 miles away. I can’t imagine his delivery fee was more than a few bucks on that.

[JPhillips]

During the pandemic I tried to tip a Walmart guy and he refused saying he wasn't allowed to take it. I tried to get him to take it, but he was adamant that he couldn't take anything.

[GrantDawg]

As far as I can tell, Walmart doesn't allow you to tip the non-grocery deliveries, but they do ask for tips for grocery deliveries. Kroger doesn't allow tipping for their deliveries.

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[RainRaven]

When I worked many years ago at a Walmart, we were specifically told to not accept tips. I worked in the furniture department and helped quite a few people load items into the car. I always remember a guy just shoving a twenty in my vest pocket after I told him I couldn’t accept the cash.

[JonInMiddleGA]

As if tipping isn't annoying enough, they're adding transaction fees to eating now.
Transaction Fee for All Transactions (https://www.reddit.com/r/greenville/comments/1kmozh4/is_this_a_thing_now/#lightbox)

Talk about a place that deserves, at best, to go allllll the way under.

[Ghost Econ]

Yeah, I'm not tipping at fucking Panera. The point of tipping is because they aren't paid a minimum wage, not because they did the job they're paid to do.

https://www.allrecipes.com/should-you-tip-at-fast-casual-restaurants-11910093

[PilotMan]

Yeah, If I'm standing at a counter to order, and grab my food from the counter, and throw my own trash away, you're not getting a tip unless you've been over the top polite, friendly, or helpful.

[dubb93]

A local restaurant I frequently get take out from changed the receipt system. In the past I’d swipe my card and that was it. The last time I went it printed a receipt with a place for a tip. I didn’t feel bad for not tipping on take out.