Anyone still playing World of Warcraft?

[SirFozzie]

And if so, we should get a FOFC night going sometime. I haven't had much chance to play lately due to a cold type bug, but I'd like to get some of the old group together

[MacroGuru]

And if so, we should get a FOFC night going sometime. I haven't had much chance to play lately due to a cold type bug, but I'd like to get some of the old group together

I deleted my Toon, but my daughter has been playing for a bit and I have a Death Knight that I can play.

[RedHawk00]

recovering addict, now going on 2+ years of wow-sobriety

[Lathum]

I play but not as much as I used to because of school. Probably a few times a week and really never on the weekend, I spend that time with my wife usually.

Saldana plays regularly.

Sal and I both have toons on Lighteninghoof. He has an 80 hunter and a priest around 40. I have a 67 mage and a 55 warrior. All Horde.

We both also have toons on Lothar. The only one I really play on there is my 57 alliance rogue, and I play it almost exclusivly these days.

we use ventrilo to chat when we play. I would love to play with you guys if I can find the time.

What servers are you guys on? I would be cool with rolling a new toon also.

[Bearcat729]

I have a few 80's on Akama. Though my hunter Deretha from the old FOFC guild is the best geared of them.

[SirFozzie]

I'm on Moon Guard (mostly allys, top a 72 warrior, couple of hordies too) and Sentinels mostly.

[Dodgerchick]

Im afraid of trying it out and getting hooked

[SirFozzie]

well, DC, I'll tell ya what. They're having a special right now.. they have a "Refer-a-friend" option that you get your first month and the base game (you'd be able to play 6 of the 8 races, and up to level 60 content) for $5. Can I tempt ya? :D

[Vince, Pt. II]

Recovering addict here as well - been "clean" for about 8 months. My problem is that my favorite part of the game is end-game raiding, and it is not possible to participate in that facet of the game without an absolutely ridiculous time-commitment. I am very happy with the time I spent as a hardcore raider - I led a guild who achieved four server-firsts in Ulduar, and also managed to down OS 3-Drake while it was current content. Those six or so months were easily my favorite time playing the game. I just couldn't keep up with juggling the (massive) ego problems of running a competitive guild, keeping my toon up to the best of his ability, learning and applying new strategies and preparing not only my toon, but my entire guild for raids with consumables, etc.

I still have two 80's (Rogue and Druid) and 4 70+ toons on Detheroc Alliance side, but I've let my accounts go inactive. I want badly to reactivate for Frozen Throne, but realistically, although I'm best in slot everywhere pre-Ulduar, I'm not geared enough for progression content, and I no longer have a guild. Once it's been up for a while, I may troll the recruiting forums to see if someone will take on a melée DPS who knows his class, doesn't care about loot, and just wants to see the content. Even so, I'm not sure I can put in the time simply to farm for raid consumables anymore.

[Lathum]

I am the total opposite of Vince. I have no interest in raiding at all. I don't think I could deal with the massive weenies and how seriously they take it. I prefer to solo or play with a very select group of people I know. I enjoy leveling up and getting new gear, etc... but I have just had to many bad experiences with immature dicks in instance groups. I will almost never run an instance unless it is with a friend in real life or someone from my guild. I have even had bad experiences with people from my own guild. I just can't handle people who are total weenies, which is about 95% of the people who play.

That being said I do love the game, I just think I play it different then most people. For me hitting 80 is almost like ending the game.

[thealmighty]

Account is currently inactive, but hasn't been all that long since I played. Have 2 80s and 2 70+ on Moonrunner.

Also have the toon on Moon Guard from when we played before (think he's at 60) but don't even remember what class he is.

[Dodgerchick]

well, DC, I'll tell ya what. They're having a special right now.. they have a "Refer-a-friend" option that you get your first month and the base game (you'd be able to play 6 of the 8 races, and up to level 60 content) for $5. Can I tempt ya? :D


You're evil!

[SirFozzie]

You're evil!

and this comes as a surprise HOW? :)

[Vince, Pt. II]

I am the total opposite of Vince. I have no interest in raiding at all. I don't think I could deal with the massive weenies and how seriously they take it. I prefer to solo or play with a very select group of people I know. I enjoy leveling up and getting new gear, etc... but I have just had to many bad experiences with immature dicks in instance groups. I will almost never run an instance unless it is with a friend in real life or someone from my guild. I have even had bad experiences with people from my own guild. I just can't handle people who are total weenies, which is about 95% of the people who play.

That being said I do love the game, I just think I play it different then most people. For me hitting 80 is almost like ending the game.

I really enjoyed the game up to level 70 (I was level 58 when Burning Crusade was released), but was hooked completely and totally by the massive scripted encounters of raiding. I had to put up with an absolute travesty of errors and douchebags to raid, but I can't begin to tell you the amazing feeling that was downing that boss we had been working on for two weeks. To be able to share that with 24 other people was simply amazing.

[gkb]

I have low level guys on several different servers. I'm an altoholic and I think the highest level I've ever been is 43 or something. Yes I'm lame.

[flere-imsaho]

I still play regularly, although "regularly" tends to mean a couple of hours twice a week along with a 3-hour raid on Wednesday nights. I happen to be in a great (and big) guild, and this has made a ton of difference. I raid with a "2nd-tier" group of raiders (to differentiate us from the hard-core progression types) and we just do Wednesdays, welcoming in new raiders and learning the fights and also teaching those new to raiding how to deal with the mechanics involved. Very laid back and fun, and yet we've still managed to get about 3/4ths of the way through Ulduar.

The other great thing about being in a big & friendly guild is that there's almost always enough people to get together for 5-mans, and generally a ton of lower-level alts for lower content.

So, it remains enjoyable, and I'm happy I've been able to see, and contribute to downing, "endgame" content without putting in a huge time commitment.

[Lathum]

so any thoughts on getting something together Foz?

[chinaski]

Still playing. Have a level 80 hunter on Gnomeregan. I don't play nearly as much as I used to, but I do show up for our Mon-Wed 6-9 raid nights. Currently the 2nd best geared hunter horde side, wooot!

[SirFozzie]

Well, you guys know my schedule, so we'll have to figure something out about having a fun night getting togethere

[sabotai]

Stopped playing a few months ago. Someone (dubb?) started a dual-boxing dynasty and it looked interesting so I gave it a shot. Was fun, but I needed to cut a few monthly expenses and two WoW accounts was a bit too much, and I was playing other games so I canceled the subscriptions. I plan to get back into it (dual-boxing) sometime in the future when I get done playing the games I have now.

[dubb93]

Stopped playing a few months ago. Someone (dubb?) started a dual-boxing dynasty and it looked interesting so I gave it a shot. Was fun, but I needed to cut a few monthly expenses and two WoW accounts was a bit too much, and I was playing other games so I canceled the subscriptions. I plan to get back into it (dual-boxing) sometime in the future when I get done playing the games I have now.

Yea that was me. Dual-boxing was fun but I found out that it just wasn't my cup of tea. I think both of those characters from the dynasty are still at the level 17 mark they were, and like you, I canceled the second account.

[RomaGoth]

I am the total opposite of Vince. I have no interest in raiding at all. I don't think I could deal with the massive weenies and how seriously they take it. I prefer to solo or play with a very select group of people I know. I enjoy leveling up and getting new gear, etc... but I have just had to many bad experiences with immature dicks in instance groups. I will almost never run an instance unless it is with a friend in real life or someone from my guild. I have even had bad experiences with people from my own guild. I just can't handle people who are total weenies, which is about 95% of the people who play.

That being said I do love the game, I just think I play it different then most people. For me hitting 80 is almost like ending the game.

I haven't played since the beginning of August or something. My wife became rather tired of me playing so much, and it is a huge time commitment, especially raiding.

I have several 70's and at least one 80. Not sure that I want to play again, but I might be up for it again at some point.

I tend to play the same way as you Lathum. Level 80 is the goal, then all that is left is the absurd rep grinding, achievements, and PvP.

So are the majority of the people here on the horde side, or alliance?

[Lathum]

I haven't played since the beginning of August or something. My wife became rather tired of me playing so much, and it is a huge time commitment, especially raiding.

I have several 70's and at least one 80. Not sure that I want to play again, but I might be up for it again at some point.

I tend to play the same way as you Lathum. Level 80 is the goal, then all that is left is the absurd rep grinding, achievements, and PvP.

So are the majority of the people here on the horde side, or alliance?

I have both.

My 3 mains are a 67 Horde Mage, 55 Horde Warrior and 60 Alliance Rogue. I play the rogue a lot more these days, I really enjoy that class.

Romagoth, whats your favorite class? All of them? ;)

[Rizon]

I have an 80 Undead Warlock, 80 BE Priest and 62 Tauren Warrior. Haven't played much lately. I was an officer in a big raiding guild, and that shit burnt me out so bad I stopped playing for 4 months. Now I only group or raid with people in my guild or friends, I avoid puging.

[Lathum]

hmmm, the common theme I see here is people get burnt out on raiding.

[Lathum]

do you guys prefer PvP or non PvP?

I personally can't stand PvP which is probably why I don't play my Mage and Warrior as much. They are on the first server I used and me and Sal are on there for a few reasons. I would love to move them to the server my Rogue is on but I would also have to switch factions and that is an expense I can't justify to my wife.

But it is awesome getting ganked and camped by someone 40 levels above you.

[RomaGoth]

I have both.

My 3 mains are a 67 Horde Mage, 55 Horde Warrior and 60 Alliance Rogue. I play the rogue a lot more these days, I really enjoy that class.

Romagoth, whats your favorite class? All of them? ;)

I have an 80 warlock that is my favorite, but I also like my rogue and paladin.

hmmm, the common theme I see here is people get burnt out on raiding.

I was burnt out on raiding as well, and I never did it nearly as much as others seem to. Some people just take that shit waaaay too seriously and it becomes their life.

[RomaGoth]

do you guys prefer PvP or non PvP?

I personally can't stand PvP which is probably why I don't play my Mage and Warrior as much. They are on the first server I used and me and Sal are on there for a few reasons. I would love to move them to the server my Rogue is on but I would also have to switch factions and that is an expense I can't justify to my wife.

How much does it cost to switch factions? I stopped playing before Blizzard implemented this.

But it is awesome getting ganked and camped by someone 40 levels above you.

Yeah it is, especially as a clothie. Nothing like having your fear spell resisted as you are being beaten to a pulp.

[Lathum]

How much does it cost to switch factions? I stopped playing before Blizzard implemented this.





$30 per faction change and $25 for a server move. So it would be $110 for me to do it for my 2 mains. No way I can sell that to my wife, which sucks because I am in an awesome guild on the alliance server I am on. Lothar.

I rolled a hunter alt on that server, but I didn't get into it, to much trouble controlling my pet and such.

[spleen1015]

I missed this last week.

All of my toons are on Alleria, but I am willing to start a new toon on another server or transfer one of my non-80s to a new home. I only have 1 horde toon, but I am willing to faction change as well. You guys say when and where and I will play with you if you'll have me.

[Lathum]

Not sure how everyone feels about rolling new toons, but I would be willing to roll a new toon, preferable on a non-pvp server, and we could all level up together.

Obviously some people can play more than others, but as people level up faster no reason they can't help someone else level.

What say you guys?

[Lathum]

dola- this thread is killing me, I am in the busiest time of the year for me and now all I want to do is play WoW with my rogue that just got its flying mount.

[saldana]

i play pretty much every night

I capped 80 about a month ago and got into a guild that is kind enough to help carry a fresh cap through heroics and 10 mans...im up to 25 man naxx now, and have gotten helped along into some harder stuff...one thing i have realized that it isnt all just about gear...more of it is knowing what to do in certain fights, which is made a WHOLE lot easier with DeadlyBossMods (i recommend it if you dont have it)

my priest on Lightninghoof is at 48

on Lothar, I have a 50 Tauren Druid and 65 Tauren DK, plus a 31 Draeni Pally

i would definitely roll a new toon on any realm we can agree on and commit one or two nights a week to playing with you guys, i think it would be alot of fun

i have a vent server (only 10 slot, but easily expandable) that I would be happy to give to everyone to use

[saldana]

dola- this thread is killing me, I am in the busiest time of the year for me and now all I want to do is play WoW with my rogue that just got its flying mount.

dude....try sitting at work all day after having just gotten your epic flying mount before you left this morning.

[spleen1015]

I am all for starting a new toon. I don't know how well we could play together without starting new toons.

My hope is we can get a good group of 6-10 people and start running instances together when we get to 15 or so. Instances are a lot of fun when everyone has the same goals, just have fun.

[spleen1015]

DOLA - I think what it might take is someone making a decision. We'll play this faction on this server starting on this day. Hope to see you there. :)

[saldana]

@ vince, pt2, if you havent seen this site yet go to www.wow-heroes.com (http://www.wow-heroes.com) and put in your toon...you will be surprised that your gear from Uludar is not nearly as outdated as you think it might be....the only thing that came out since then was ToC and the revamped Onyxia, which was only a half tier increase...the big jump is going to be next week when 3.3. drops and the ICC tier 10s start coming out, but they are going to open the citadel in four stages, so the very last part, Fall of Arthas, probably wont be unlocked til February...i would bet you arent nearly as gear-challenged as you think

[saldana]

DOLA - I think what it might take is someone making a decision. We'll play this faction on this server starting on this day. Hope to see you there. :)

i agree...i nominate Foz since he started it...i also think it would be fun to start on a realm that no one has said they have toons on so we actually have to start over instead of twinking ourselves.

[Lathum]

DOLA - I think what it might take is someone making a decision. We'll play this faction on this server starting on this day. Hope to see you there. :)

yeah, this.

I'll be home around 5:00 PST tonight, maybe I'll check it out and post something.

[Lathum]

or Foz could do it.

[SirFozzie]

Well, here's my hours the next few weeks:

Tues-Thurs 2-10 (All times eastern)
Fri/Sat 6 PM-2AM (but I work from home, so if it's quiet, I can do it)

Here's what I'm thinking.

Server: Moonguard or Sentinels
Possible Times: 10:30 PM WED or THUR, or 8:00 PM FRI/SAT, or during the SNF game or MNF games
Race: Allies

Roll up and zerg out all the stuff, I'm pretty sure if we get a group up (5 or so), we can get out of Elwynn (and Pornshire) in one night.

[spleen1015]

Why an RP realm?

EDIT - I'm just wondering. :)

[SirFozzie]

Well, I found there's less assholes on RP server (too much effort for some of the disruptors etcetera/).. the two non-RP Non-PVP servers I've tried, there was guys in the starting zones stealing all the newbie kills to try to stop the newbies from levelling.

[Lathum]

Well, I found there's less assholes on RP server (too much effort for some of the disruptors etcetera/).. the two non-RP Non-PVP servers I've tried, there was guys in the starting zones stealing all the newbie kills to try to stop the newbies from levelling.

That's the craziest shit I have ever heard

[Lathum]

dola- whats zerg mean?

[spleen1015]

dola- whats zerg mean?

We get a group of folks together and pretty much do all of the same quests and we can blow through them quickly.

Zerg is a race in StarCraft. Their early units were quick and easy to build, so there was a MP strategy of building lots of them and killing your opponents quickly, thus the term Zerg or Zerging was born.

[spleen1015]

Dola, I have never personally seen high level toons in lowbie zones being disruptive and I've probably played all of the lowbie zone Alliance side at least 20 times.

[Lathum]

OK, as for my schedule and opinions on what Foz suggested.

I am out for sure if it is a Saturday or Sunday, I spend those days with my wife, my choice, not her being a bitch about me gaming.

10:30 PM on a weeknight seems pretty late to start playing for people on the east coast.

I can do Friday night starting anytime.

I can do Tue/ Thu anytime after about 8PM EST.

During the MNF game would probably be the best for me I can start really anytime.

[spleen1015]

I like the SNF/MNF idea. I'm always watching the game anyway, so that's doable for me.

Thursday is another good night for me. Tuesday is my only night where I have something going on.

[saldana]

SNF or MNF also works well for me, as neither of those nights is typically a scheduled run or my main's guild.

[sabotai]

hmmm, the common theme I see here is people get burnt out on raiding.

I was a hardcore raider pre-BC. I used to raid every night. MC, BWL, ZG, I was in a guild that run something just about every night.

So yeah, I got burned out on it. Raiding is the part of the game I hate most now.

[saldana]

dola...unless we all start as the same race, how do we zerg the starter zones?

doing that would make it hard to have a good balance of players.

which brings me to my next thought...are we going to coordinate classes at all...would be kind of funny to show up with 10 dps toons and no tanks or healz

[SirFozzie]

if we're all humans, dwarves or gnomes (on the Ally side), it's fairly simple to meet up after level five or so (there's a tram from Ironforge to Stormwind).. Night Elves.. someone would have to get a port to IF or SW to get it done..

[spleen1015]

My plan is to be a Dwarf Paladin. So, tanking is covered.

[spleen1015]

if we're all humans, dwarves or gnomes (on the Ally side), it's fairly simple to meet up after level five or so (there's a tram from Ironforge to Stormwind).. Night Elves.. someone would have to get a port to IF or SW to get it done..

The boat in Darkshore goes to SW now. So, that would be pretty easy as well.

[Lathum]

if we're all humans, dwarves or gnomes (on the Ally side), it's fairly simple to meet up after level five or so (there's a tram from Ironforge to Stormwind).. Night Elves.. someone would have to get a port to IF or SW to get it done..

I was thinking the same thing. IF and SW and use the tram and once you get enough gold or find someone cool port to Shat and set your hearthstone there.

[Lathum]

anyone else have a strong prefrence for their class?

[SirFozzie]

I usually play warriors/pallies.. I might try a priest/rogue/mage/warlock.. but you'll have to remind me not to go charging in, that clothies are a lot more vulnerable then I'm used to :)

[saldana]

i was gonna go with either druid or shammy...i have been told i am a pretty good healer with my druid and my priest, but have been wanting to try a shaman...either way, i will go resto, so healz will be covered unless someone else wants to do it...ive played warrior, pally, hunter, rogue, death knight, priest and druid so i can do pretty much anything in terms of role

[CleBrownsfan]

I have never played WoW - maybe once with a 14 day trial. This could be something I may want to try. How much is the monthly cost?

[saldana]

I have never played WoW - maybe once with a 14 day trial. This could be something I may want to try. How much is the monthly cost?

its 15 bucks a month, unless you buy multiple months at a time...i buy in 3 month chunks and it is 12.99 each i think

also, if you want to start, hit one of us up for a trial membership, which gets you 10 days free, and then if/when you buy the game, you get a month of free play time, so the first 40 days end up being free

you also get some benefits from being a referred friend, most importantly the ability to summon one another to anywhere in the world, and 3x experience points for killing mobs and turning in quests any time you are playing with the person that referred you.

[SirFozzie]

I have never played WoW - maybe once with a 14 day trial. This could be something I may want to try. How much is the monthly cost?


The base game is $5 right now through the gift a friend program (the one that lets you get to L60, and use all the races except Draneai and Blood Elves and all the classes except Death Knights:

Here's the monthly costs per their page

$14.99 USD - One Month Recurring
$41.97 USD - Three Months Recurring ($13.99 per month)
$77.94 USD - Six Months Recurring ($12.99 per month)

[Lathum]

I would be cool rolling a mage again, warrior or a rogue, some kind of DPS.

I just dont want to be a warlock or hunter, controling another creature is to much effort for me.

[spleen1015]

Can I recommend we go with Sentinels for our realm? I created a toon on both realms tonight and Moon Guard showed as 'Full' which has the potential for queueing since there are so many folks on that realm. Warcraftrealms.com shows Sentinels having 2/3 the population.

[SirFozzie]

Can I recommend we go with Sentinels for our realm? I created a toon on both realms tonight and Moon Guard showed as 'Full' which has the potential for queueing since there are so many folks on that realm. Warcraftrealms.com shows Sentinels having 2/3 the population.

Fine by me, although I've never had to queue up for MG.

[Bearcat729]

Can I recommend we go with Sentinels for our realm? I created a toon on both realms tonight and Moon Guard showed as 'Full' which has the potential for queueing since there are so many folks on that realm. Warcraftrealms.com shows Sentinels having 2/3 the population.

I remember when we all started playing the first time and Moon Guard was a ghost town. It was one of the reasons I server transferred my hunter to Perenolde.

[thealmighty]

Where does the boat outside Exodar take you? We can get Draenei into it if that boat goes somewhere like SW or Mharbor (run to IF sucks but doable).

[SirFozzie]

Where does the boat outside Exodar take you? We can get Draenei into it if that boat goes somewhere like SW or Mharbor (run to IF sucks but doable).

Goes to Auberdine apparently, where you can catch a boat to SW

[saldana]

cool, so sentinels it is...are we calling Monday the first night, or should we roll up on our own and grind out the first 8 or 10 levels on our own before then so we can work our ways to SW

[saldana]

Dola, I say we roll and do the starter zones ahead of time so we can get together and pwn Hogger in a 20 man raid group :D

[CleBrownsfan]

So if I wanted to start the trial version how do I go upon doing so? What server, race, ect.? Not sure if I'm ready to commit to the $15 a month but for I'll have 14 free days to decide ;)

[SirFozzie]

Sentinels: choose a race from the allies (you'll have Human, Dwarf, Night Elf, and gnome) avaialable).

I'd choose warrior as your first go round, it's simple (at lower levels), and you have a high level of armor, but any race can be done as a go round

[saldana]

So if I wanted to start the trial version how do I go upon doing so? What server, race, ect.? Not sure if I'm ready to commit to the $15 a month but for I'll have 14 free days to decide ;)

if you want a refer-a-friend number (which like i said, gives you and the person that is already a player some bonuses), pm me you email address and i will send you an invite...that invite will have a link for you to follow to create an account...once you create the account, which will include your credit card information even though nothing will get charged until you activate the full version.

after you get an account, you will have to download the client, which takes awhile...after that, you will be able to log in and it will take you to the Realm Selection screen....we are going to go to the Sentinels realm and roll Alliance characters, which means Human, Dwarf, Gnome, Night Elf, or Draenei.

I will be rolling a Draenei, and I think Foz said he would be going Dwarf...nice thing about dwarves and gnomes is that they start together, and have easy access to humans...night elves and draenei will have to do a little bit of work to get to everyone else in Stormwind (human/alliance capital city)

as far as classes go, Warriors and Paladins are the tank classes, but as they level can be used to be damage dealers. Mages, Hunters, and Warlocks are ranged damage dealers. Rogues are Melee damage dealers. Druids and Shamans can be anthing...tanks, melee or ranged damage, or healers Priests can be either healers or ranged damage dealers

if you go to WoW -> Info -> Classes (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/index.html)
there are some simple pro/con lists for each class and tells you what kind of armor and weapons you can use

[Bearcat729]

if you want a refer-a-friend number (which like i said, gives you and the person that is already a player some bonuses), pm me you email address and i will send you an invite...that invite will have a link for you to follow to create an account...once you create the account, which will include your credit card information even though nothing will get charged until you activate the full version.

after you get an account, you will have to download the client, which takes awhile...after that, you will be able to log in and it will take you to the Realm Selection screen....we are going to go to the Sentinels realm and roll Alliance characters, which means Human, Dwarf, Gnome, Night Elf, or Draenei.

I will be rolling a Draenei, and I think Foz said he would be going Dwarf...nice thing about dwarves and gnomes is that they start together, and have easy access to humans...night elves and draenei will have to do a little bit of work to get to everyone else in Stormwind (human/alliance capital city)

as far as classes go, Warriors and Paladins are the tank classes, but as they level can be used to be damage dealers. Mages, Hunters, and Warlocks are ranged damage dealers. Rogues are Melee damage dealers. Druids and Shamans can be anthing...tanks, melee or ranged damage, or healers Priests can be either healers or ranged damage dealers

if you go to WoW -> Info -> Classes (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/index.html)
there are some simple pro/con lists for each class and tells you what kind of armor and weapons you can use

Shamans can heal, be very good melee dps or very good caster dps. They can't tank.

Though as we are playing alliance you won't have access to the shaman unless you have an account with the Burning Crusade expansion attached to it.

[Lathum]

Well I don't see anyone who has stepped up as a warrior I think I'll roll a dwarf warrior.

[CleBrownsfan]

How about a Rogue? I played one while I was playing EQ and I liked that class. Saldana I'll PM you now... only problem is I forgot about the refer-a-friend last night while starting up a and d/l the trial. Playing the trial version is the same as the full version? Will I be able to group with you guys? Could I just use a different e-mail address?

[Lathum]

How about a Rogue? I played one while I was playing EQ and I liked that class. Saldana I'll PM you now... only problem is I forgot about the refer-a-friend last night while starting up a and d/l the trial. Playing the trial version is the same as the full version? Will I be able to group with you guys? Could I just use a different e-mail address?

Rogue would be good. I have a 61 human rogue that is by far my favorite toon.

[spleen1015]

We need ranged DPS. :) Someone needs to be a Mage or Warlock or even a Shadow Priest. My main is a Shadow Priest. They are sexay.

[Bearcat729]

How about a Rogue? I played one while I was playing EQ and I liked that class. Saldana I'll PM you now... only problem is I forgot about the refer-a-friend last night while starting up a and d/l the trial. Playing the trial version is the same as the full version? Will I be able to group with you guys? Could I just use a different e-mail address?

There are limits to the trial version due in large part to gold farmers. Anyone with a full version of the game can invite you to a group, and you can quest with them, but you will not be able to start a group by yourself. You won't be able to trade items with each other. There may be others but those are the 2 big ones that come up when starting out.

I'm probably going to roll a mage, or a shaman not sure yet but both will fill the ranged dps role we seem to need.

[saldana]

There are limits to the trial version due in large part to gold farmers. Anyone with a full version of the game can invite you to a group, and you can quest with them, but you will not be able to start a group by yourself. You won't be able to trade items with each other. There may be others but those are the 2 big ones that come up when starting out.

I'm probably going to roll a mage, or a shaman not sure yet but both will fill the ranged dps role we seem to need.

you also cant use in game chat, but I have Vent so we wont need it

server name = Richs Server
IP = 205.234.153.26
port = 5424
password = richsserver

[saldana]

How about a Rogue? I played one while I was playing EQ and I liked that class. Saldana I'll PM you now... only problem is I forgot about the refer-a-friend last night while starting up a and d/l the trial. Playing the trial version is the same as the full version? Will I be able to group with you guys? Could I just use a different e-mail address?
i sent you the invite, if you cant use it, no big deal, you get the same amount of time for free

[Vince, Pt. II]

@ vince, pt2, if you havent seen this site yet go to www.wow-heroes.com (http://www.wow-heroes.com) and put in your toon...you will be surprised that your gear from Uludar is not nearly as outdated as you think it might be....the only thing that came out since then was ToC and the revamped Onyxia, which was only a half tier increase...the big jump is going to be next week when 3.3. drops and the ICC tier 10s start coming out, but they are going to open the citadel in four stages, so the very last part, Fall of Arthas, probably wont be unlocked til February...i would bet you arent nearly as gear-challenged as you think

Well, my gear from Ulduar...doesn't exist. I quit shortly after we started Ulduar (we were one of two guilds on our server working on Vezax), and was pretty unlucky on drops our first two trips through. So I didn't end up getting any Ulduar gear at all. While I'm as decked out as you can get otherwise (including every single rogue weapon), I'd still be a tier behind. I haven't looked into the new raid instance after Ulduar, so I'm not sure how tough it would be to drag my lower DPS through there...or how hard itnwould be to convince a guild to drag me through Ulduar to get my gear up to snuff.

That being said, you're not helping me stay away :)

[RomaGoth]

This last time I quit playing WoW, I uninstalled the entire game, even the addons, and sold it. I don't really feel up to buying the game again at this point...

Has anyone had a problem looking up characters in the armory?

[illinifan999]

Well, my gear from Ulduar...doesn't exist. I quit shortly after we started Ulduar (we were one of two guilds on our server working on Vezax), and was pretty unlucky on drops our first two trips through. So I didn't end up getting any Ulduar gear at all. While I'm as decked out as you can get otherwise (including every single rogue weapon), I'd still be a tier behind. I haven't looked into the new raid instance after Ulduar, so I'm not sure how tough it would be to drag my lower DPS through there...or how hard itnwould be to convince a guild to drag me through Ulduar to get my gear up to snuff.

That being said, you're not helping me stay away :)

TotC is pretty easy. As long as you can pull around 3-3.5k dps you'll be fine. The fights are pretty easy, and there's no trash. A decent pug on my server can usually clear it in a little over an hour.

[Kodos]

You guys talk a strange language.

[saldana]

TotC is pretty easy. As long as you can pull around 3-3.5k dps you'll be fine. The fights are pretty easy, and there's no trash. A decent pug on my server can usually clear it in a little over an hour.
also the way the emblem system works now, i am in all Tier 7 or better and have never in anything harder than the first wing of Naxx

[saldana]

This last time I quit playing WoW, I uninstalled the entire game, even the addons, and sold it. I don't really feel up to buying the game again at this point...

Has anyone had a problem looking up characters in the armory?

nope

[spleen1015]

Dola, I say we roll and do the starter zones ahead of time so we can get together and pwn Hogger in a 20 man raid group :D

What does everyone think about this idea? I'm up for it unless folks want to wait and have everyone start on the same night.

Dwarf Paladin Redi is ready!

[Vince, Pt. II]

TotC is pretty easy. As long as you can pull around 3-3.5k dps you'll be fine. The fights are pretty easy, and there's no trash. A decent pug on my server can usually clear it in a little over an hour.

I'm probably fine then. I don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure I was near those numbers.

[Bearcat729]

Well, my gear from Ulduar...doesn't exist. I quit shortly after we started Ulduar (we were one of two guilds on our server working on Vezax), and was pretty unlucky on drops our first two trips through. So I didn't end up getting any Ulduar gear at all. While I'm as decked out as you can get otherwise (including every single rogue weapon), I'd still be a tier behind. I haven't looked into the new raid instance after Ulduar, so I'm not sure how tough it would be to drag my lower DPS through there...or how hard itnwould be to convince a guild to drag me through Ulduar to get my gear up to snuff.

That being said, you're not helping me stay away :)

Sad to say but, if you were to come back for the 3.3 patch all the heroic instances will drop the emblems of triumph that currently get you the basic tier 9 gear for TotC. So all you would have to do is farm heroics for a little bit and get geared up.

[Ryche]

Sounds amusing. I started up a gnome warlock named Ryche. Just reactivated my account recently after about half a year away.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, so are we going to start this during SNF/MNF this week?

[saldana]

Ok, so are we going to start this during SNF/MNF this week?

i thought we were, so i rolled my toon, draenei shaman, Saltana (there was already a Saldana on the realm)

did the starter quests, leveled to 6 and made my way through the island and am waiting for everyone in IF.

[spleen1015]

Redi is level 7 parked in Thunderbrew.

[saldana]

So who is in for tonight?....8pm EST?

[spleen1015]

I'll be on sometime around there.

[saldana]

so redi and saltana pwned dun morogh last night...i will be on around 9est tonight

[Lathum]

I can be on by about 7 PM EST. I'll need to roll a toon and level up and can probably play until about 10:00 EST, then I run into dinner time here.

Is there anywhere we should meet, I'll probably level to 5 then park myself in Goldshire or Stormwind.

[Lathum]

What realm are we on. Sentinals?

[SirFozzie]

Correct

[saldana]

I can be on by about 7 PM EST. I'll need to roll a toon and level up and can probably play until about 10:00 EST, then I run into dinner time here.

Is there anywhere we should meet, I'll probably level to 5 then park myself in Goldshire or Stormwind.

spleen and i hit 10 last night, and are both parked in Ironforge, but can make it down to you easily enough.

i know have to make it back to exodar at some point because my trainer sent me to Azure watch to learn my next totem.

[Lathum]

I am assuming you guys did the quests outside of IF then. If so yeah, just take the deep run tram to SW, or in your case port to Shat, then you can still pick up the quests outside SW. Should work out well.

[spleen1015]

I will make my way to Goldshire tonight and we can blow that place up. :D

Lathum, you should be able to get out of Northshire Abbey in about 30 minutes. :)

[Lathum]

Easily.

[RomaGoth]

So what classes are you all? I may join up with you briefly (woot for 7-days free time from the anniversary event).

Any particular class that is needed?

[SirFozzie]

I'm going to try out a rogue, I think we have warrior/pally... and others I'm not sure about

[spleen1015]

Confirmed, we have a Paladin, Warrior, Shaman and a Rogue.

If we're going to run instances with this group, then we need ranged DPS, a Mage or Warlock would be good.

[RomaGoth]

Cool, I have always wanted to try a mage (already have an 80 warlock).

[RomaGoth]

Any reason alliance was chosen instead of horde? Just curious...:)

[SirFozzie]

We went horde last time.. trying for something new :)

[Lathum]

Any reason alliance was chosen instead of horde? Just curious...:)

It seemed easier to move from starting Alliance cities.

[Lathum]

Just logged in as Lathum

[Rizon]

Any reason alliance was chosen instead of horde? Just curious...:)

Because they're gay.

[SirFozzie]

I'll be logging on in a bit.. need to get dinner ordered

[Lathum]

wow, takes you a long time to order dinner! ! ;)

[SirFozzie]

Heh. Had to eat it too :P :) Logging on

[SirFozzie]

decided to use my L12 priest, at least to begin. Name's Ailee

[saldana]

Woot.3.3 installed this morning!

[spleen1015]

3.3 is going to be good stuff. Cross-realm instances is huge. Hopefully it means being able to find groups for low level instances.

[flere-imsaho]

The best things about 3.3 are the Misdirect change and the pet experience change.

Yes, my main's a hunter. :D

[saldana]

The best things about 3.3 are the Misdirect change and the pet experience change.

Yes, my main's a hunter. :D

mine too...i'm a little concerned about the change to volley, but the misdirect is going to be so much better...being able to make sure my first explosive shot followed by a multi goes to the MT is gonna be great...no more stupid 12 second timer

[saldana]

3.3 is going to be good stuff. Cross-realm instances is huge. Hopefully it means being able to find groups for low level instances.

i'm wondering if the fact that we can port to the instance means horde toons can get ported to Stocks and allies can get into RFC when they are level appropriate....i didnt run stocks til i was a 74...died 6 times getting past the guards and the other players in SW

[RomaGoth]

The only 5-man dungeon in vanilla WoW I haven't run with my warlock is RFC. Wonder if I can give it a try with this patch....

[Lathum]

someone explain the cross realm instance concept in single language please.

[saldana]

someone explain the cross realm instance concept in single language please.

when you enter an instance, you actually leave your regular Realm (lothar for instance) and enter an instance server that is shared with about a dozen other Realms that are part of your Battlegroup. When you play PvP battlegrounds (which are actually instances), you are actually playing with people from other realms in your battlegroup...the same thing now can be done for regular instances...you can enter the Random PUG list, and as soon as there are 5 guys on the list from any other Realms in your battlegroup, they will launch you into the instance.

by increasing the number of people looking for group by 12, it should make it ridiculously easy to get into PUGs...i know you hate them, but i dont plan on ever doing another quest with either of my healers...i figure i should be able to grind levels out in pugs pretty fast.

[spleen1015]

i figure i should be able to grind levels out in pugs pretty fast.

When WotLK hit, all of those folks you saw getting realm first level 80s did it by running instances. With the right group composition, you can gain exp pretty quickly in instances.

[saldana]

When WotLK hit, all of those folks you saw getting realm first level 80s did it by running instances. With the right group composition, you can gain exp pretty quickly in instances.

i honestly always wondered how they did that...from 70 to 80 in 26 hours is unreal...it took me 7-9 per level after 75 but i never set foot in an instance.

i have a 48 holy priest and a 51 resto druid...based on the number of "need a healer" requests in the trade channel, I should be able to pug up pretty quickly, and I'm sure as long as i dont suck and we dont wipe, people will be putting me on friends

[spleen1015]

i honestly always wondered how they did that...from 70 to 80 in 26 hours is unreal...it took me 7-9 per level after 75 but i never set foot in an instance.

i have a 48 holy priest and a 51 resto druid...based on the number of "need a healer" requests in the trade channel, I should be able to pug up pretty quickly, and I'm sure as long as i dont suck and we dont wipe, people will be putting me on friends

Premonition, the #1 guild in the US had a comprehensive guide for doing it on their website.

A healer and the MT of my guild at the time followed it. They only played 5-6 hours a night doing it, but that's what they did.

[RomaGoth]

i honestly always wondered how they did that...from 70 to 80 in 26 hours is unreal...it took me 7-9 per level after 75 but i never set foot in an instance.

i have a 48 holy priest and a 51 resto druid...based on the number of "need a healer" requests in the trade channel, I should be able to pug up pretty quickly, and I'm sure as long as i dont suck and we dont wipe, people will be putting me on friends

I think it is a safe bet that a lot of them are also uber nerds.

[spleen1015]

WoW.com: The new WoW Insider (www.wow.com) has a write up of the new Dungeon Finder that is replacing Looking For Group.

This is damn sexy.

[saldana]

something was just pointed out to me from the patch notes that I hadnt noticed before, but is rather huge for those of us with alts
<DIR><DIR>Bind-on-Account Items: Players can now mail Bind-on-Account items to characters on the same account and realm regardless of faction. Please note this only applies to Bind-on-Account items. Other items or gold cannot be sent via mail to characters on the same realm and account if they are from differing factions.
</DIR></DIR>

[spleen1015]

Yeah, that is pretty nice.

[Lathum]

When WotLK hit, all of those folks you saw getting realm first level 80s did it by running instances. With the right group composition, you can gain exp pretty quickly in instances.

They also have no jobs, live in their parents basement, never been with a real woman, and have a diet consisting of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.

[Lathum]

something was just pointed out to me from the patch notes that I hadnt noticed before, but is rather huge for those of us with alts
<DIR><DIR>Bind-on-Account Items: Players can now mail Bind-on-Account items to characters on the same account and realm regardless of faction. Please note this only applies to Bind-on-Account items. Other items or gold cannot be sent via mail to characters on the same realm and account if they are from differing factions.
</DIR></DIR>

Is bind-on-accound replacing bind-on-pickup?

[dubb93]

They also have no jobs, live in their parents basement, never been with a real woman, and have a diet consisting of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.

That's not completely fair. The realm first on my server was a pretty normal guy that also raided and worked. He took a weeks vacation from work when WoLK dropped in order to take at stab at the realm first.

Hell, I was level 77 when our realm first 80 happened so I was pretty far along as well at that point.

[flere-imsaho]

Is bind-on-accound replacing bind-on-pickup?

Hard to say. Clearly there are still a ton of BoP items around. To date, Blizzard has introduced a bunch of items as BoA specifically for items that would make leveling alts easier (heirloom item) or using those alts at 80 easier (Helm & Shoulder enchants).

I doubt we'll see everything that's BoP eventually become BoA.

[dubb93]

Is bind-on-accound replacing bind-on-pickup?

No, bind on account are badge vendor gear in Dal that you buy with an 80 and send down to alts to help them level faster.

[Lathum]

That's not completely fair. The realm first on my server was a pretty normal guy that also raided and worked. He took a weeks vacation from work when WoLK dropped in order to take at stab at the realm first.

Hell, I was level 77 when our realm first 80 happened so I was pretty far along as well at that point.

You really think the majority of people who go from 70-80 in 24 hours are "normal"?

[saldana]

the new LFG queue is AWESOME!!!

ran 5 or 6 heroics last night back to back, stacked up about 25 or 30 badges, got a couple awesome drops, and despite what people on the wow forums are saying, didnt run into a single monumental douchebag

[Danny]

didnt run into a single monumental douchebag

You don't play with Lathum?


(insert some random smiley to make sure Lathum knows I am kidding even though I am sure he does)

[Lathum]

I havent had a chance to try it yet but I wonder how this will effect the economy?

[saldana]

I havent had a chance to try it yet but I wonder how this will effect the economy?

how will it affect the economy?

the only impact i can see is that since there is a gold reward at the end of every run along with the emblems, i made about 300 gold between that and the BoP items that i vendored, so making money got easier for me (which was nice since my toon was BROKE)

[Lathum]

how will it affect the economy?

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lots of ways

People running more instances means more drops. That means more stuff on the auction house. Simple supply and demand principles. And that doesn't even factor in all the random mats people won roles for and just want to get rid of.

[RomaGoth]

Thanks to you guys I am now playing again. Leveling up my DK and maybe a Pally. :redface:

[saldana]

Thanks to you guys I am now playing again. Leveling up my DK and maybe a Pally. :redface:

what realm/faction?

[RomaGoth]

what realm/faction?

I have toons on four realms, both horde and alliance. My alliance toons are much higher level though (an 80 and three 70+ toons).

I created a druid and mage on Sentinels (alliance), the druid is level 9 right now. The others are:

Durotan (alliance)
Cho'gall (horde)
Dark Iron (horde)

[saldana]

lots of ways

People running more instances means more drops. That means more stuff on the auction house. Simple supply and demand principles. And that doesn't even factor in all the random mats people won roles for and just want to get rid of.

alot of the drops get disenchanted right in the instance (much to the dislike of enchanters) so the market for those mats might go down, but the market for actual enchants will will go up, since more people will have more mats that dont cost 3 arms and 4 legs.

as far as drops go, lets use my example from last night...me and Daxor ran 5 heroics...lets say there were 15 green or better drops, and none of them got DE'd...statistically, we should each have gotten 3 drops for a total of 30 items that came back to the Lightninghoof AH.

if we had run those same 5 heroics with all five guys being from the same realm, there would have been 75 items coming back to the AH.

if anything, this is going to create a seller's market (i guess you didnt really say if you thought it was going to be positive or negative impact)

[saldana]

I have toons on four realms, both horde and alliance. My alliance toons are much higher level though (an 80 and three 70+ toons).

I created a druid and mage on Sentinels (alliance), the druid is level 9 right now. The others are:

Durotan (alliance)
Cho'gall (horde)
Dark Iron (horde)

cool...hope to see you on sentinels on Monday...we are hoping to get to 15 and run deadmines.

[spleen1015]

Yes, everyone that wants to run Deadmines with us needs to get to 15 or better. Sal is healing on Saltana and I will tank with Redi.

Just a bit of instance fun.

[RomaGoth]

cool...hope to see you on sentinels on Monday...we are hoping to get to 15 and run deadmines.

Deadmines is one of my favorite instances.

What if we all created Death Knights on the same realm? We could run higher level stuff at least....

[RomaGoth]

...me and Daxor ran 5 heroics...

How long did it take you to run 5 heroics?

[Lathum]

if we had run those same 5 heroics with all five guys being from the same realm, there would have been 75 items coming back to the AH.

if anything, this is going to create a seller's market (i guess you didnt really say if you thought it was going to be positive or negative impact)

How does adding more items create a sellers market? There is a finite number of different items. The more of those items that are introduced the less they are worth.

[flere-imsaho]

The cost of enchanting mats going down (due to greater availability on the AH) might be offset by the increased funds players have from running instances (and getting the cash rewards, including the new cash rewards from choosing "random"). Plus, in the short-term, as everyone gears up to Tier 10 and Emblems of Frost gear, enchanting mats (and jewels) will be back in demand as everyone re-enchants/re-gems their gear.

[saldana]

How long did it take you to run 5 heroics?

about 4 1/2 hours, and that was with 3 wipes in ToC and 3 more in HoS (crappy shaman healers that kept thinking they should stand IN FRONT of the tank)

[saldana]

How does adding more items create a sellers market? There is a finite number of different items. The more of those items that are introduced the less they are worth.

there arent more items coming back...there are less because 4/5 of the items from each run are going to different realms

The cost of enchanting mats going down (due to greater availability on the AH) might be offset by the increased funds players have from running instances (and getting the cash rewards, including the new cash rewards from choosing "random"). Plus, in the short-term, as everyone gears up to Tier 10 and Emblems of Frost gear, enchanting mats (and jewels) will be back in demand as everyone re-enchants/re-gems their gear.

this is absolutely going to be true...i already need to get my gloves regemmed and reenchanted, and a new gem on my weapon, and thats only in 219s...by the time i get to 245s or whatever T10 is, i will have gone through 3 or 4 more sets of gems.

[Rizon]

about 4 1/2 hours, and that was with 3 wipes in ToC and 3 more in HoS (crappy shaman healers that kept thinking they should stand IN FRONT of the tank)

It's possible to wipe in ToC?

[Lathum]

there arent more items coming back...there are less because 4/5 of the items from each run are going to different realms



.

But there are more people runninig instances and doing them a lot faster.

Hypotheticaly 5 people from the same server want to run an instance, they have to get a pug, etc...

Those same 5 people from the same server will still run that instance now, just do it with 5 different groups, and do it faster. Which gives them time to run more instances and get more gear to list.

[saldana]

It's possible to wipe in ToC?

it is when your dps priest decides to pull the black knight before the tank, and the healer decides to stand between the tank and the risen ghoul so when it runs in, it pulls on the healer, who after you rescue him with a misdirect, decides to stand right next to the tank, and is apparently not running deadlybossmods or paying attention to which ghoul has the mark over his head becasue he is about to explode....i have never seen a healer get killed as fast as this guy did

the tank and were screaming on Vent about how blatantly dumb they were.

[Rizon]

it is when your dps priest decides to pull the black knight before the tank, and the healer decides to stand between the tank and the risen ghoul so when it runs in, it pulls on the healer, who after you rescue him with a misdirect, decides to stand right next to the tank, and is apparently not running deadlybossmods or paying attention to which ghoul has the mark over his head becasue he is about to explode....i have never seen a healer get killed as fast as this guy did

the tank and were screaming on Vent about how blatantly dumb they were.

LOL ... sounds like a good example of why I never PUG.

[RomaGoth]

it is when your dps priest decides to pull the black knight before the tank, and the healer decides to stand between the tank and the risen ghoul so when it runs in, it pulls on the healer, who after you rescue him with a misdirect, decides to stand right next to the tank, and is apparently not running deadlybossmods or paying attention to which ghoul has the mark over his head becasue he is about to explode....i have never seen a healer get killed as fast as this guy did

the tank and were screaming on Vent about how blatantly dumb they were.

This is gold. A healer standing in front of the tank is priceless. Unless you are there I suppose. :lol:

[saldana]

This is gold. A healer standing in front of the tank is priceless. Unless you are there I suppose. :lol:

the best was the tank, who is a RL friend, totally focused on the black night and trying to kite all the ghouls so he didnt see what was going on (i am a hunter, and was at the edge of my range, right where i should be, so I had a great view of the healer getting pwned)....when the tank dies without ever receiving a heal, he asked me where the hell the healer was...all i said was "he died first, in less than 10 seconds" and the slew of profanities was priceless.

[Lathum]

lol, I can see Dave reacting that way.

[flere-imsaho]

It's possible to wipe in ToC?

The only wipes I see in HToC (and these are only PUGs - guild 5-mans sleep through HToC) are either:

1. Some unfortunate luck with Paletress when she summons the other mob (like the mob immediately ganking the healer).

2. People forgetting (or not seeing, for some reason) the exploding zombies during the Black Knight.

Having said that, even in PUGs I have always been able to clear it for the past two months or so even if (as with my most recent run, prior to 3.3) I had to do, literally, 50% of the overall damage on Black Knight. (See, we're not all huntards. :D )

[spleen1015]

I ran Deadmines last night using the new Dungeon Finder. It took about 5-10 minutes to get a group, but everything functioned well from there.

A couple of the folks in the group were 3-4 levels higher than me, so they pulled a lot of aggro. We wiped when we got to the ship and someone aggroed the whole damn boat, then the healer quit. We got a new healer quickly and finished up.

I got a really nice Rare belt from the goody bag.

[saldana]

I ran Deadmines last night using the new Dungeon Finder. It took about 5-10 minutes to get a group, but everything functioned well from there.

A couple of the folks in the group were 3-4 levels higher than me, so they pulled a lot of aggro. We wiped when we got to the ship and someone aggroed the whole damn boat, then the healer quit. We got a new healer quickly and finished up.

I got a really nice Rare belt from the goody bag.

i have had the pull of the whole boat happen in groups that I knew everyone...those ramps are a pain in the ass, and if you dont know exactly where cookie is, he can wander over your head and grab...did you do it on Redi?

[spleen1015]

I did it on a Pally I have on my main's realm. Redi will be 20 (hopefully) by the time we go Monday. I want to have Consecration available to me.

[saldana]

I did it on a Pally I have on my main's realm. Redi will be 20 (hopefully) by the time we go Monday. I want to have Consecration available to me.

i want you to have consecration available to you too :D

my wife and kids are leaving tonight for the weekend, so I plan on doing very little other than play Wow...anyone that wants to run on sentinels let me know and I will switch over if i'm not busy.

[MacroGuru]

alright I am going to roll a new toon tonight...what server so when I play, I can play with everyone.

[SirFozzie]

Sentinels/Alliance

I've created my Rogue, Dagran btw.. it'll be a race to be DM ready Monday night.

BTW, if everyone's on steam we may do voice chat (or I think someone had a vent server)

[thealmighty]

Rolled a Dwarf hunter (didn't see anyone with one). Up to lvl 7.

[spleen1015]

I am going to start a guild for us. Thinking of names, I'm looking for something FOFC related like 'jb's Dictator Trouts' or something.

Anyone have an good ideas?

[spleen1015]

I have the charter going for "What No Trout Option".

Ping Redi when you're on and we'll get it going.

[MacroGuru]

Just rolled my toon...Myrdore, Female Night Elf Druid.

[JediKooter]

Just created a character on Sentinels...Smiddy. Created a paladin and am in Northshire Valley.

[Lonnie]

Well I haven't played in two years either, but I used that 7-day anniversary freebie. I rolled a Warlock named Lonn on Sentinels.

[MacroGuru]

I will be back on when I am done watching UFC.

[thealmighty]

Things sure are different than when I started my first toon...

I remember not even being able to afford my mount until lvl 44 I was so broke. Now, at lvl 10, I already have 5 gold.

[SirFozzie]

Think that's insane? I have a Blood Elf Pally (L18) on Moon Guard with 90+ gold. Why? Because there are tons of creatures who drop 1-2 Small Eggs in the BE Starting Zone each. Those eggs go for BIG money on the AH

[SirFozzie]

Anyone who is on, type /join FOFC ad it will set up a chat channel for us as well..

[illinifan999]

Things sure are different than when I started my first toon...

I remember not even being able to afford my mount until lvl 44 I was so broke. Now, at lvl 10, I already have 5 gold.

Making gold can be ridiculously easy with the right professions. I'm inscription/herbalist. Right now I'm selling Vellums and Frost Lotus, before that I was crafting the cards but that relied on a little too much luck for my liking. Earlier this morning I hit 21k gold. There's a way to make thousands of gold a day with inscription by basically making every glyph in the game and selling them each for around 2-3g but you need a ton of addons and patience to make it work and I'm way too lazy for that.

[spleen1015]

Anyone who is on, type /join FOFC ad it will set up a chat channel for us as well..

Do we need a chat channel when we have guild chat?

[spleen1015]

Foz, if you see this, I'm on that same People's Militia quest. Come back and we can knock it out.

[dubb93]

1. Some unfortunate luck with Paletress when she summons the other mob (like the mob immediately ganking the healer).


If the healer gets killed by that mob they are an idiot. I have an 80 healer and imagine this.....when that add is spawned it spawns with a near empty threat table(whoever was the highest on the Paletress does start with just a little bit of threat on the add). The secret? It is really freaking simple, don't heal before the tank picks the add up or your heals will increase your threat over the tank's threat and bam, you are dead.

An even more simple solution is that if the add spawns on the healer the healer should take the time to run towards and behind the tank. That way there is no way you can pop off a heal before the tank gets threat. It really isn't hard, the add doesn't do anywhere close to enough damage that the healer can't wait until the tank has established threat before healing the tank up to full health.

[dubb93]

This is gold. A healer standing in front of the tank is priceless. Unless you are there I suppose. :lol:

I have an 80 mage that isn't guilded and I get on him sometimes when I just want to mess around with people or do something stupid.....I have ran a heroic with him before in all +strength/stam greens(well as much as I could get on the ah that was actually cloth) and done nothing but melee. I made sure I told the people in the group how awesome I am and told them how stupid I thought they were when they thought I should be standing back and casting. I was the group leader so they couldn't kick me......

[saldana]

I have an 80 mage that isn't guilded and I get on him sometimes when I just want to mess around with people or do something stupid.....I have ran a heroic with him before in all +strength/stam greens(well as much as I could get on the ah that was actually cloth) and done nothing but melee. I made sure I told the people in the group how awesome I am and told them how stupid I thought they were when they thought I should be standing back and casting. I was the group leader so they couldn't kick me......

this is awesome, unless you are one of the other 4, so i guess its pretty much the same as my healer in front of the tank.

[spleen1015]

Deadmines tonight at 9pm EST.

Ping Redi, Saltana or Dagran in game to get a guild invite.

[saldana]

Deadmines tonight at 9pm EST.

Ping Redi, Saltana or Dagran in game to get a guild invite.

i put the run on the guild calendar, but it woulnt let me send out actual invites until I have a level 20 toon on the realm/in the guild

you should still be able to sign up on there yourself though.

[Lonnie]

Signed up and ready. Up to level 19 with the Warlock. I have soul stone so that should help out.

[Lathum]

I have an 80 mage that isn't guilded and I get on him sometimes when I just want to mess around with people or do something stupid.....I have ran a heroic with him before in all +strength/stam greens(well as much as I could get on the ah that was actually cloth) and done nothing but melee. I made sure I told the people in the group how awesome I am and told them how stupid I thought they were when they thought I should be standing back and casting. I was the group leader so they couldn't kick me......

this is why I don't run pug's.

[SirFozzie]

well, just a few hiccups, but Deadmines COMPLETE!

[saldana]

well, just a few hiccups, but Deadmines COMPLETE!


i thought it was a real good run...the stupid ship is just hard...i think most level appropriate groups have some issues there

and once i remembered how far away i need to stand, i think we were doing pretty well.

[spleen1015]

Yeah, the aggro issues around the boat suck. We saw some out of ordinary aggoring last night.

[RainMaker]

http://marksayers.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/revengeofthenerds.jpg

[saldana]

so are we gonna grind at all on our own/small groups between now and next week, or just stay parked and run SFK or WC next week, since we can just port right into them

also, spleen, do we have a guild bank tab? i thought the first one was free?..if it isnt free, how much does it cost? i have a bunch of BoE gear from quests that other classes could use (mail, swords, cloth, etc), plus pots from alchemy

[Lathum]

hey all, I have some time this week and can grind my way up but will be away the next 2 Mondays so will miss out on anything.

I'll post before I log on if anyone is around and wants to run.

[SirFozzie]

I'll be on, trying to get to 25 or so, but if anyone needs a DM/WC run, I'll be glad to help out

[Lathum]

I'll be on, trying to get to 25 or so, but if anyone needs a DM/WC run, I'll be glad to help out

My goal is to maybe get to 15 tomorrow then run deadmines in a PUG to catch up with you guys.

[JediKooter]

My character is at 15 right now and about half way to 16. I should be on tonight after work.

[Lathum]

I am out tonight but in Wed/Thu for sure.

[dubb93]

this is why I don't run pug's.

I honestly can't believe you can play the game and not pug. I would say that my successful pug rate would be around 90%+. That ofcourse goes down once you get into raids and I would say that pug raids are probably below 50%, but hell that is what is a guild is for. I couldn't imagine never having a pug 5 man considering 5 mans are so easy that I have 3 manned alot of them, including heroics. My priest could literally keep a tank up in heroics for like 20 minutes before he would need mana. Hell I normally go an entire heroic run without a mana break. I can't imagine the fail you have seen to completely scare you off of pug 5 mans.

[dubb93]

Hell, even my melee mage run cleared heroic uk without a wipe in a pug.

[dubb93]

Hell, even pug 10 mans I would say have a pretty high success rate. You just have to keep in mind when raiding that even the top raid guilds in the world wipe.

The most common problem with pug raids is the first wipe you lose half the raid and have to fill it up again. The second wipe, you lose half of it again, rinse and repeat. You don't have the people leaving in guild runs but you still have the wipes. The shorter 10 mans can be pugged with no issue, it is the longer ones like naxx and ulduar that are a pain in the ass b/c they are so damn long and wiping is a part of clearing them, however in pugs a wipe=half the raid is now gone.

[Lathum]

I honestly can't believe you can play the game and not pug. I would say that my successful pug rate would be around 90%+. That ofcourse goes down once you get into raids and I would say that pug raids are probably below 50%, but hell that is what is a guild is for. I couldn't imagine never having a pug 5 man considering 5 mans are so easy that I have 3 manned alot of them, including heroics. My priest could literally keep a tank up in heroics for like 20 minutes before he would need mana. Hell I normally go an entire heroic run without a mana break. I can't imagine the fail you have seen to completely scare you off of pug 5 mans.

I just have a limited amount of time to play and would rather not deal with wankers, plus I enjoy playing solo.

[Lathum]

I don't mind wiping, I hate douchebags who don't make the game fun. Between the immature idiots and the people who take themselves to seriously it is easy to get turned off fast.

[dubb93]

I...would rather not deal with wankers

But the wankers are the best part. Some of my most fond memories are in pugs with someone who just simply doesn't get it. The key is to not take it too seriously and just deal with it and laugh at it. Some of the stuff is absolute gold.

Like I had a warrior one time who was tanking type /yell HELP!!! every time he pulled. In his mind he had every enemy on him and thought the rest of us weren't doing anything. He just didn't get it even after explaining the concepts to him, in his mind we were all slacking off since they were all on him. I was healing this idiot and keeping him alive, but he still didn't get it. At times he would take off running like he thought if he ran far enough they would stop chasing him. Note: It doesn't work that way in instances.

I was laughing my ass off as I'm sure everyone else was. That was one of my most fond memories of playing WoW was the help yelling warrior who just didn't get it. Amazingly we never wiped and finished the run.

[Lathum]

I am OK with that sort of stuff. I just hate the people who try and tell you what to do, or god forbid you make a mistake and get someone killed, or god forbid your gear isn't good enough, etc...

Then there are the people who need on everything, etc...

[Vince, Pt. II]

The thing is that most Pug wipes aren't the same wipes that a guild run gets - they're wipes because someone doesn't know what they are doing. Also, if you're lucky enough NOT to lose half your raid after the wipe, the 15 minute downtime while everyone figures out how to get back to where the boss is quickly loses you those that barely stayed anyways.

Sure, organized guilds wipe - on progression content. The reason I finally formed my own guild was because I was tired of wiping on bosses that should have been farm content, I was tired of wipe recovery taking ten minutes, and I was tired of having to explain every single nuance of a complex boss fight every time we pulled the boss. What was nice was that I had been playing on the same server long enough that I was able to surround myself with people who were able to take things seriously enough that I didn't have to be a dick about discipline, yet relaxed enough that our raids weren't boring as hell.

Turned out that running a guild was as much about juggling egos as it was about boss strategy and raid organization, if not moreso.

[Lathum]

The thing is that most Pug wipes aren't the same wipes that a guild run gets - they're wipes because someone doesn't know what they are doing.

Well god forbid it is someones first time doing something.

I dunno, I think what I get out of WoW is different then most people.

[gkb]

A lot of this discussion brings up points that makes me shy away from higher level content. If I don't happen to be in an understanding PUG and I fuck up, I'm going to hear about it. I've run almost 0 instances so I'm not confident in my role or in the fights as they progress. I don't PUG as much as I'd like...when I actually start PUGing that is.

[dubb93]

Well god forbid it is someones first time doing something.


There are issues with this though. You need to keep in mind that it takes 4 hours to complete some raids without any wipes. Add 15 minutes for each wipe, and if there is someone who doesn't know any of the fights in say naxx with 15 bosses and atleast one learning wipe per boss you have increased the naxx clear time to nearly 8 hours.

I for one simply don't have that kind of time and I think that anyone who expects 24 people to put up with their shit for 8 hours sound be willing to go to a website like tankspot.com and watch the damn boss videos so they know what the hell is going on before they get to the boss fights.

[dubb93]

Infact in most serious guilds you are expected to know the boss fights you haven't even seen yet inside and out before you see it for the first time. I don't see why that expectation should just disappear when you opt to join a pug.

EDIT--Yes I do get annoyed when I start a pug and someone doesn't know the fights. I don't give a crap if you've done it before or not, if you are going to invest 4 hours(or 8 hours atleast if you come unprepared) into a raid you could atleast invest 2 hours watching videos and reading boss strat. If you aren't willing to watch the videos and read the strat then you have no business being in that raid since most raid bosses have 1 mechanic that if it isn't done will kill you and most likely at the very least someone else in the raid.

[Lathum]

There are issues with this though. You need to keep in mind that it takes 4 hours to complete some raids without any wipes. Add 15 minutes for each wipe, and if there is someone who doesn't know any of the fights in say naxx with 15 bosses and atleast one learning wipe per boss you have increased the naxx clear time to nearly 8 hours.

I for one simply don't have that kind of time and I think that anyone who expects 24 people to put up with their shit for 8 hours sound be willing to go to a website like tankspot.com and watch the damn boss videos so they know what the hell is going on before they get to the boss fights.

I will just never understand this. I get your concerns about the time commitment, but I just don't see the fun in a game if you know everything you are supposed to do, and frankly, I find it really odd that someone would not only spend all that time watching online how to do something, but that they would be expected to.

It is a game, that is just way to obsessive for me. I sign on, I play, I sign off.

[saldana]

Infact in most serious guilds you are expected to know the boss fights you haven't even seen yet inside and out before you see it for the first time. I don't see why that expectation should just disappear when you opt to join a pug.

EDIT--Yes I do get annoyed when I start a pug and someone doesn't know the fights. I don't give a crap if you've done it before or not, if you are going to invest 4 hours(or 8 hours atleast if you come unprepared) into a raid you could atleast invest 2 hours watching videos and reading boss strat. If you aren't willing to watch the videos and read the strat then you have no business being in that raid since most raid bosses have 1 mechanic that if it isn't done will kill you and most likely at the very least someone else in the raid.

I will just never understand this. I get your concerns about the time commitment, but I just don't see the fun in a game if you know everything you are supposed to do, and frankly, I find it really odd that someone would not only spend all that time watching online how to do something, but that they would be expected to.

It is a game, that is just way to obsessive for me. I sign on, I play, I sign off.

you guys realize that you are talking about 2 entirely different concepts...Dubb, you are talking about 10/25/40 mans...the people running that content are already capped and should know how to play their toons, run their rotations, and unless they are with a guild run that has been set up for the purpose of helping you learn the fights and get you gear, there is a reasonable expectation that they did some homework before coming in. (i thought a couple guys in my last naxx 10 were going to have strokes because one guy didnt know to switch sides when the polarity shift happened on the construct quarter boss....i had never been there before either, but HAD looked up how to do the fights so i didnt get killed in 5 seconds)

lathum is talking about running 5 mans..his highest toon is still in the 60s and hasnt even gotten all of the skills/spells that he will eventually have, and he hasnt seen alot of the content that requires more than tank n' spank strategy....there is still a learning curve, but alot of people dont remember that they were new once, and expect everyone to instinctively know that on the last boss in nexus, you have to keep jumping up and down....if youve never been there, you dont know that...lathums point is that instead of someone saying, before the fight starts, "Does everyone know this fight", or "remember to keep jumping so the frost doesnt stack on you", there are a shitton more people that will /p WHAT ARE YOU DOING IDIOT!!!!1!11!!

there is alot of leetism in WoW...alot of people assume that if you are on a toon that isnt an 80, it has to be an alt, because they have 3 or 4 80s and they ARE on an alt...causal players like lathum and a couple other friends of ours who are 77's and have never done a WotLK instance would take a raft of shit in pugs, but that doesnt mean they arent good players...just that they play the game differently, and for differernt reasons...IMO, that doenst mean they should have to be subjected to nerdrage from some 14yo kid because they are trying to see more of the game. (edit to add: not meant to infer that dubb is a 14yo with nerdrage...just used that example because Lathum and I actually had some kid who begged us to take him on our run start yelling at a friend of ours in RFK who was a level 23 warrior on his first toon for being in the wrong stance to DPS)

[Lathum]

well put Rich

[saldana]

so are we on for tonight?

i didnt have a chance to play Saltana at all this week, so i'm still at 17?

thoughts on time and activity?

[MacroGuru]

I might be able to...I haven't played Myrdore much but have been a bit today and last night...

[spleen1015]

It has been a busy week for me too. I've had Christmas business all week. I don't think I will be there tonight. My wife and I are having a gift wrapping party and wrapping all of the kids' presents.

[saldana]

It has been a busy week for me too. I've had Christmas business all week. I don't think I will be there tonight. My wife and I are having a gift wrapping party and wrapping all of the kids' presents.

lathum and i were discussing that it might not be a bad idea to postpone any organized runs until after the holidays are over...thoughts?

[spleen1015]

That sounds like a good idea to me, especially postponing anything this week.

[Lonnie]

For those of you hitting 30 or so, you may want to check out this guide (http://www.wow-pro.com/leveling_guides/james_alliance_leveling_guide_-_chapter_i).

He has a step by step approach for efficient leveling. I started following it around level 34 so I was ahead of the curve, but the levels start coming pretty fast using it. They also have a add-on version that works in game.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Well god forbid it is someones first time doing something.

I dunno, I think what I get out of WoW is different then most people.

Rich and Dubb beat me to it, but I'll expand a little bit. I have absolutely no problem with someone who is in a new place that doesn't know what's going on. I do have a problem with someone who can't follow a simple direction such as "don't stand in the fire," or "don't start attacking until after the tank has established aggro." If you blow it, it's no big deal. If you blow it four times in a row...it begins to become a big deal. Even when something is a big deal, however, I'm not one to jump down anyone's throat - but I'm also not afraid to ask someone to leave, or to explain to the group why I have to leave.

The expectations are higher in a raid group, though I know that if I'm pugging, I need to lower my expectations a lot. Like Saldana said, there are two distinct groups of people that play Warcraft - raiders and casual gamers. As a former hardcore raider, it is difficult (though not impossible) for me to instance run with casuals, because i've grown accustomed to a higher level of familiarity with the game and it's mechanics from my groupmates. Mostly, however, the people that irritate me irritate me not because of their lack of knowledge of the game, but because of their personality and mannerisms. A polite person who is trying, even if they're the worst WoW player ever, is likely to get a lot more help from me than a stud player who is a dick.

[Shaun Sullivan]

Oh man, you guys are making me want to do a server transfer and dive in.

I have a nicely geared 80 dual spec Druid, though I must admit I prefer resto.

How big is the guild?

[JediKooter]

I think there's about 10 people in the guild now.

[Shaun Sullivan]

I think there's about 10 people in the guild now.

I guess I should roll a new toon. You guys have room for more?

I'm thinking about trying a mage.

[MacroGuru]

I guess I should roll a new toon. You guys have room for more?

I'm thinking about trying a mage.

Always....we play when we can...

[Shaun Sullivan]

Okay I am in, look for a Mage named "Puresimmer" (original I know).

Throw me a guild invite when you can, thanks.

[MacroGuru]

So you guys hooked me, got the guild going and anyone is hardly on anymore.

[Fidatelo]

I haven't played WoW in about 2 years, but apparently someone has hacked my dormant account. Got an email saying it has been merged with a Battle.Net account and now I have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it back. Worse, I have no idea how it was compromised so at this point everything is suspect.

Anyone else ever had their account hacked, and if so, ever figure out how it happened?

[Lathum]

Are you sure you were hacked? All accounts were required to switch to battlenet a few months ago. It may be that they finally got around to merging the dormant accounts and are letting people know.

[JetsIn06]

I haven't played WoW in about 2 years, but apparently someone has hacked my dormant account. Got an email saying it has been merged with a Battle.Net account and now I have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it back. Worse, I have no idea how it was compromised so at this point everything is suspect.

Anyone else ever had their account hacked, and if so, ever figure out how it happened?

My girlfriend had her level 80 hacked. No idea how, but then she logged on one day and saw she only had one copper.

[SirFozzie]

I've been running now that I have more time now that my second job-equivalent is calming down

[spleen1015]

Life got nutty for me soon after we hit Deadmines that first time. Some things changed at work and I got more responsibility. So, my availability pretty much went away.

[Lonnie]

Well I hit 80 tonight. 10 days 18 hours.

[saldana]

Life got nutty for me soon after we hit Deadmines that first time. Some things changed at work and I got more responsibility. So, my availability pretty much went away.

i got crazy with home and stuff with the holidays around, but now that normalcy has set back in, i should be playing some more

Well I hit 80 tonight. 10 days 18 hours.

are you serious?! guess you wont be running with us anymore for a while :D Gratz!


so do we wanna plan for a run tonight, maybe Wailing Caverns or SFK, depending on how far everyone else leveled (i'm still at 17)

[MacroGuru]

i got crazy with home and stuff with the holidays around, but now that normalcy has set back in, i should be playing some more



are you serious?! guess you wont be running with us anymore for a while :D Gratz!


so do we wanna plan for a run tonight, maybe Wailing Caverns or SFK, depending on how far everyone else leveled (i'm still at 17)

I'm on the road this week and won't be getting to a hotel tonight until about 8 pm EST. Also, I am lvl 32 now...

[Lonnie]

are you serious?! guess you wont be running with us anymore for a while :D Gratz!

Well I figured I'd level an alt up just to run with you guys.

[PackerFanatic]

I started up again after not playing paid-WoW for almost 2 years. Wow how things have changed...I have a lvl 65 on Scarlet Crusade and it was cool seeing all the new things. I want to start from scratch though with a new character - I know I played with you guys at one point, but I can't recall the server.

[Lonnie]

Alliance on Sentinels

[JediKooter]

I've got my Paladin up to 28...nipping at Lonnie's heels. :)

[saldana]

i can try to grind up a few as soon as I get home to make it into the 20s

[JeffNights]

It is a game, that is just way to obsessive for me. I sign on, I play, I sign off.

Definition of a casual WoW player, nothing wrong with that, some people raid on a progression content level, and they get thier enjoyment of the game from that. That's why WoW continues to grow and get bigger, they have so many was you can "play" and enjoy the game. Games within the game so to speak.

[saldana]

so what happened to everyone last night...i went up 2 to 19.

[JediKooter]

Whoa. That's not too bad. My place lost power because of the rain, so couldn't do much.

[PackerFanatic]

Do you guys have a guild on Sentinals?

[JediKooter]

It's Trout Option or something like that.

[Lonnie]

The only issue is only a few people have invite privileges. Our GM should give everyone that is member on down invite privileges to fix that.

I should be on this evening and can invite you if you are on.

[spleen1015]

The only issue is only a few people have invite privileges. Our GM should give everyone that is member on down invite privileges to fix that.

I should be on this evening and can invite you if you are on.

I am going to find out how to transfer ownership of the guild to someone else. I am on the road this week and won't be able to do it until Friday at the earliest.

You guys tell me who to give it to.

[PackerFanatic]

I created a dwarf hunter. I have played quite a bit over the years - although like I said earlier, this is the first time I have played in a year and a half or so - but this is only like the 3rd alliance character for me, so it will be fun checking out the areas I never really explored.

[SirFozzie]

Probably Lonnie or myself would be the best option.

[Lonnie]

I'll volunteer. I've ran a guild before so I know how to setup all the permissions. I'll probably just give everyone rights to do invites and access a guild vault. That should help out.