NFL Week 16 - What's better then the Redskins on Monday Night? Try Sunday Night too!

[DeToxRox]

They need to fix the flex rules so games can be switched from 12 days prior to 6 days prior to the game.

Anyway, some decent games this week, headlined by Philly vs Denver and Baltimore vs Pittsburgh.

AFC WC picture can turn into a huge mess if Denver and Baltimore both lose this week, so there is some big intrigue at least.

[MikeVic]

They need to fix the flex rules so games can be switched from 12 days prior to 6 days prior to the game.

Anyway, some decent games this week, headlined by Philly vs Denver and Baltimore vs Pittsburgh.

AFC WC picture can turn into a huge mess if Denver and Baltimore both lose this week, so there is some big intrigue at least.

Just an fyi for Steeler fans, I had this sent to me:

For the Steelers to make the playoffs...
1. Steelers must win out (VS Baltimore, @ Miami).
2. Jacksonville needs to lose to either New England or Cleveland (both on the road).
3. New York Jets need to lose to either Indianapolis (away) or Cincinnati (home).
4. Denver needs to lose to either Philadelphia (away) or Kansas City (home). OR Baltimore needs to lose @ Oakland in week 17.

So this week is huge, since all of the possible losses for competing teams occur this week.

[JediKooter]

I'm definitely an Eagles fan for this upcoming weekend.

[sabotai]

Dallas has the tie-breaker over the Eagles at this point), Eagles have the tie-breaker over the Giants, the Giants have the tie-breaker over the Cowboys....

The Giants need the Eagles to 1) Win the division and 2) Beat the Cowboys in Week 17.

So it's really simple: Giants need to win out w/ the Eagles and Cowboys both winning next week and playing for the division in Week 17. OR, the Giants can go 1-1 IF the Cowboys go 0-2. But, if the Cowboys lose to the 'skins and the Eagles win against the Broncos, that would give them a 2 game lead on the Cowboys and they wouldn't be playing for anything in Week 17, unless Minn. loses in Week 16, in which case the Eagles would be playing for a 1st round bye, but then Minn. would be playing against the G-Men in Week 17 for that same first round bye. So if the Cowboys lose the 'skins, the G-Men would likely want the Eagles to lose to the Bronocs, that way.....

my head hurts....

[DeToxRox]

Giants just need to win out and either Dallas or GB lose and they're in. They have the tie breakers over both. If it came down to a Giant/Packer tie, it'd go down to the 4th tiebreaker which is opponents win % in games won, and the Packers have two good wins, Dallas and Baltimore. They have 2 vs DET, 2 vs CHI, STL, TB and CLE making up their other 7 wins.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/dom_bonvissuto/12/22/week.16/index.html

Good look at the situations.

With the Giants holding tiebreakers over the Cowboys (head to head) and Packers (common games), New York still has a legitimate shot. Should either Dallas or Green Bay lose in Week 16, the Giants would control their own destiny heading to a potentially resting Minnesota in Week 17.

[panerd]

Obviously if the Bengals lose out they don't deserve to make the playoffs but as a worried Bengal fan what would the scenerio have to be for them to get eliminated from the playoffs completely? The only team I can see that would hold a tie breaker would be New York (this of course is assuming NY wins out by beating the Bengals in week 17). Are the Bengals basically in? It looks like they have pretty much guaranteed home game also unless they really screw it up!

(I wish having KC at home were a lock, but they should have steamrolled Oakland a few weeks ago)

[sabotai]

I know guys, I was just messing around. If I want to look at something that really gives me a headache, I'll try to figure out all of the AFC playoff scenarios.

[Dr. Sak]

Not to be the grammar police or anything but isn't it...What Better?

[gstelmack]

I'm just happy that if the Patriots manage to win one of these last two, they get to host either Baltimore or Denver at home. I don't have high hopes for getting past the Divisional Round as I don't like the matchup with either Indy or San Diego, but it sure would be nice to have Denver come into New England for once.

[Doug5984]

Saints need to beat the Bucs to wrap it all up, should happen...but I hope they run for at least 150 yards...need to reestablish the run.

[Doug5984]

Not to be the grammar police or anything but isn't it...What Better?

I believe you are correct

[Jughead Spock]

Not to be the grammar police or anything but isn't it...What Better?

You're still fired for missing 'then' instead of 'than'.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Steelers sign Joey Galloway to replace Limas Sweed, who was placed on IR with a "non-football illness".

If Galloway can also play CB, Steelers are set.

[CU Tiger]

Strangely enough Galloway had 1 career college INT against the QB of my high school team who had 1 college pass attempt....and INT by Joey Galloway.

[MikeVic]

John Henderson is intense:
http://jaguars.fandome.com/video/74009/John-Henderson-getting-slapped/

[BishopMVP]

I'm just happy that if the Patriots manage to win one of these last two, they get to host either Baltimore or Denver at home. I don't have high hopes for getting past the Divisional Round as I don't like the matchup with either Indy or San Diego, but it sure would be nice to have Denver come into New England for once.San Diego's overrated and Denver's been regressing to the mean. Baltimore's the one out of those 3 that really scares me (and obviously Indy, but we'd be the underdog and I'd like our chances in that role).

[stevew]

Just an fyi for Steeler fans, I had this sent to me:



So this week is huge, since all of the possible losses for competing teams occur this week.

Houston needs to lose as well, I believe.

[Fidatelo]

After losing to the Raiders do the Broncos still have a realistic shot at the playoffs? I'm assuming Philly will beat them, and that puts them out, right?

[DeToxRox]

NFL-Forecast put up their Playoff probability rankings going into week 16:

Green Bay 86.88 percent chance
Dallas 62.24
Giants 50.88

And in the AFC:

Two of these eight will advance, assuming that New England (98.9 percent) and Cincinnati (98.2) lock up berths
Baltimore 77.36
Denver 71.54
Jacksonville 16.22
Pittsburgh 14.14
Jets 9.98
Miami 8.86
Houston 3.02
Tennessee 1.72

[DeToxRox]

After losing to the Raiders do the Broncos still have a realistic shot at the playoffs? I'm assuming Philly will beat them, and that puts them out, right?

As long as Denver wins week 17 vs KC they have a pretty good shot to get in.

[DeToxRox]

Dola:

At 9-7 (with loss to Eagles and win over Chiefs), Denver would win tiebreaker with Dolphins (common games), Titans (conference record) and Texans (conference record); Denver would lose tiebreaker with Ravens (h2h), Jaguars (conference record), Jets (common games) and Steelers (h2h)

At 9-7 (with win over Eagles and loss to Chiefs), Denver would win tiebreaker with Titans (conference record); Denver would lose tiebreaker with Ravens (h2h), Jaguars (conference record), Dolphins (conference record), Jets (conference record) and Steelers (h2h). The Broncos tiebreaker with the Texans would be strength of victory (can't project right now).

Basically if the Broncos lose this week, you need to root for Baltimore over Pittsburgh, the Colts over the Jets and the Pats over the Jags, which are all very realistic in happening. If that happens, then Denver just has to beat KC next week and they're in.

And if Denver wins this week and loses to KC next week with a playoff birth on the line, well, then they don't deserve to go to the playoffs anyway.

[panerd]

NFL-Forecast put up their Playoff probability rankings going into week 16:

Green Bay 86.88 percent chance
Dallas 62.24
Giants 50.88

And in the AFC:

Two of these eight will advance, assuming that New England (98.9 percent) and Cincinnati (98.2) lock up berths
Baltimore 77.36
Denver 71.54
Jacksonville 16.22
Pittsburgh 14.14
Jets 9.98
Miami 8.86
Houston 3.02
Tennessee 1.72

So the Bengals are like a 50 to 1 shot to not make the playoffs? As a lifelong Bengal fan I think I would hedge $20 on that if it was offered in a casino. If any team could blow something like this it is them. (Obviously I think we should beat the Chiefs and also think the Ravens will probably lose to te Steelers anyways but $1000 insurance policy wouldn't be half bad)

[SteveMax58]

The Giants need the Eagles to 1) Win the division and 2) Beat the Cowboys in Week 17.

Yep...that's what I have as the most realistic shot for the Giants. It would be great if Denver could beat them...but I dont see that happening. So...gotta hope Minnesota & Dallas both win this week to force the Dallas/Philly game to mean something...and ensure that Minnesota has nothing to gain by beating the Giants.

But if Denver can pull one off this week...things start to look very good for the Giants (well, assuming they can beat Carolina and Minnesota...which neither is a guarantee by a long shot).

[Matthean]

Looks like the Titans took Christmas Day off.
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[Radii]

Chris Johnson now has 1872 yards rushing and 2355 yards from scrimmage.


He'll need 128 rushing yards to get to 2000 next week, and only needs 74 yards from scrimmage to tie Marshall Faulk's single season record of 2429 yards.

[Thomkal]

happy to see QB Brian Brohm get his first NFL start today against Atlanta. Always thought he could be a decent NFL QB coming out of college, so glad to see him get a shot to show it.

[Noop]

I can not stand Ted Ginn.

[Noop]

Andre Johnson is putting on a clinic.

[SirFozzie]

Pats got jobbed on that "fumble" call.

Pop quiz.. if the fumble goes BACKWARDS and lands on the goalline.. has it broken the plane? :P

[Eaglesfan27]

The Bucs are just what the Saints needed to get their offense back on track. 14-0 towards the end of the 1st.

[sabotai]

Pop quiz.. if the fumble goes BACKWARDS and lands on the goalline.. has it broken the plane? :P

Yes. (What happened in the game?)

[cougarfreak]

Bengals playing like it's 2008...........again.

[Noop]

Miami needs some DBs.

[SirFozzie]

Yes. (What happened in the game?)

Maroney gets involved in a scrum right at the goalline, ball pops out, Jaguars recover, they rule that they had no evidence that the ball crossed the plane on the challenge.

FOrtunately, the Pats got it back when the Jags failed a 4th and 1 and scored.. it's 14-0 now.

[Radii]

Carolina looking great again today, up 17-0 on the Giants. Troy Aikman argued in the first quarter that this season has been John Fox's best as a coach, keeping this team playing hard late in the year after being eliminated from the playoffs, making my head explode. Remember that Delhomme was never benched, he finally got hurt and put on IR, who knows what could have happened had he been benched in week 2!! Matt Moore may not be the QB of the future but we entered "anyone but Delhomme" territory a god damn long time ago.

[sabotai]

Welp, Giants are blowing it. Not sure which defense is the "real" one....maybe both, but the bad one showed up today. And a few mistakes on offense have killed the G-Men.

[sabotai]

We secretly replaced the New York Giants with the Dallas Cowboys team from Week 17, 2008....

[Lathum]

Sick right now

[jeff061]

Brady just looks half asleep as he's firing these TDs.

[gstelmack]

Carolina looking great again today, up 17-0 on the Giants. Troy Aikman argued in the first quarter that this season has been John Fox's best as a coach, keeping this team playing hard late in the year after being eliminated from the playoffs, making my head explode. Remember that Delhomme was never benched, he finally got hurt and put on IR, who knows what could have happened had he been benched in week 2!! Matt Moore may not be the QB of the future but we entered "anyone but Delhomme" territory a god damn long time ago.

Yup. He also had several games where they kept trying to throw when it was obvious they needed to run to win. That took way too long for them to get back to the run and stick with it. Of course, the way Moore has been throwing the ball the last two weeks, it shows that the real issue was giving Delhomme the huge extension and sticking with him even when it was obvious he was done.

[Radii]

Janakowski hits a 61 yard field goal to end the first half for Oakland, very impressive.

[Thomkal]

Ummm Pssst Miami, Giants, Jags...you realize you still were in the playoff hunt before this game right? Geez what pitiful performances.

[Lathum]

Horrible. Bll sheriden needs to be fired now. Dont even give him the last game

[Thomkal]

happy to see QB Brian Brohm get his first NFL start today against Atlanta. Always thought he could be a decent NFL QB coming out of college, so glad to see him get a shot to show it.

well Brohm hasn't been helped by his offensive line at all in this game, but looked like he was starting to get comfortable in the second half. Unfortunately he underthrew Terrell Owens in the end zone for an INT, but Owens didn't help matters by not even trying to break up the interception.

[Thomkal]

Sorry Lathum, very surprised how flat the Giants are playing.

[sabotai]

Sorry Lathum, very surprised how flat the Giants are playing.

Sadly, I'm not.

[path12]

My God, we suck.

[Noop]

These refs are absolutely fucking us over.

[Eaglesfan27]

The Saints looked very good in the 1st quarter, but have looked generally listless after that 1st quarter. Unless they change things up quickly, I think they are 1 and done in the playoffs.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola -

Saints just gave up a punt return to the Bucs that ties the game at 17.

[larrymcg421]

Fins getting the ball back with 6 minutes left and 10 pt deficit.

[Thomkal]

Interesting events in the Buf/Atl game-the Falcons have apparantly lost both their kicker and punter to injuries

[larrymcg421]

Um, what the hell, Sparano? 5 minutes left, you need two scores, you have to go for it on 4th down!

[Eaglesfan27]

Bucs just exclusively ran it down the Saints' throats in OT to set up a 47 yard FG to win.. which is good. The Bucs beat the Saints in OT, 20-17.

[SirFozzie]

Holy shit. The Steelers try to give the game to the Ravens and the Ravens give it back (Steelers throw a pick on 3rd and long up 3 with 2:00 to play (Ravens have no Time outs), and it gets negated for illegal contact.

[cuervo72]

Ravens really should have won this game. Penalties absolutely killed them.

[kingfc22]

And the refs cancel out ANOTHER big play by the Ravens...

[mauchow]

Wow, Vikes still in the hunt for homefield throughout.

Saints in Carolina next week which obviously the Panthers are playing well....

Fun stuff

[jbergey22]

Wouldnt want to touch the Panthers right now. Playing like the best team in the NFL since Delhomme got hurt.

[Eaglesfan27]

That looks like a lateral at worst, most likely a full backwards pass. Either way, that should remain a TD for Philly.

[Eaglesfan27]

Philly just got screwed out of 7. That did not go forward. Also, who is calling this game? Jim Nantz? It would be nice whoever it is, if they actually knew the rules instead of saying a lateral pass would not be a fumble.

[mauchow]

It DID look like it went forward every so slightly but... seriously close and probably should have just stayed the way they called it originally.

[NewIdentity]

That looks like a lateral at worst, most likely a full backwards pass. Either way, that should remain a TD for Philly.
Since it was ruled a touchdown on the field, I don't see how they can reverse it???

[MrDNA]

Browns have won three straight. Please alert me to the next sign of the apocalypse.

[sabotai]

Stockley ejected from the Den-Phi game for hitting the official (swung his arm his hand hit the official's hand). Wouldn't have happened if he didn't cry about not getting a flag.

[Eaglesfan27]

Brandon Stokley was just ejected for slapping an official's arm. Game just became easier for the Eagles and they were already doing a good job of shutting down the Broncos.

[MrDNA]

Wow, I have seen THREE players get ejected today; I don't know if I've seen that many in the past decade of football watching. :crazy:

[cougarfreak]

And the refs cancel out ANOTHER big play by the Ravens...

Ummmm.........the Ravens cancelled it with a penalty. Not the refs.

[miked]

Pretty bad no-call on Stokley, but he wouldn't have been ejected if he didn't run 20 yards down the field to complain about it.

[Karlifornia]

The 49ers are laying an egg offensively and killing my fantasy team's chances.

[MrDNA]

At least you didn't try "The Vince Young Gambit" :facepalm:

[Karlifornia]

At least you didn't try "The Vince Young Gambit" :facepalm:

lol we all have manic episodes.

[Thomkal]

Cards looking good against the Rams, as well they should with no Stephen Jackson for the Rams.

[MizzouRah]

Cards looking good against the Rams, as well they should with no Stephen Jackson for the Rams.

Rams suck. :D

[Matthean]

Browns have won three straight. Please alert me to the next sign of the apocalypse.

Well, the Lions are no closer to winning the Super Bowl than normal, so defcon can't be that high. :lol:

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[Karlifornia]

For the second time this season, I forgot to make a pick in my suicide pool until Sunday. Because of prior picks, and the early games being in progress, I forced to pick between the Lions (@SF), Broncos (@PHI), or Jets (@IND). I went with the Jets. Thanks, Brad Smith.

[Thomkal]

Rams suck. :D

yes they do, but the Cards nearly lost to the Lions last week, who also suck, so have to keep things positive as a Cards fan :)

[Matthean]

The 49ers are laying an egg offensively and killing my fantasy team's chances.

O ye of little faith. :lol: Good week to have Gore on a team.

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[Karlifornia]

O ye of little faith. :lol: Good week to have Gore on a team.

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Word...leading by 14 in the first week of my championship game now.

[DeToxRox]

I am about to win $3000.

<3 FF.

[bhlloy]

Eagles getting screwed... clean hit (well under the chin) after the change of possession on Scheffler called a PF to back them up to their own 1 and then a blatent helmet to helmet on the kickoff not called leading to a fumble. I hate the Eagles but the refs in this game have been terrible.

[Radii]

The football gods are not going to be pleased with the Colts today. All of the starters look pissed on the sidelines and the fans are booing like crazy after Manning was pulled in the middle of the 3rd quarter of a super competitive game.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

How about all the things going right for the Jets?

[bhlloy]

Caldwell screwed the pooch big time, you either play the starters a couple of series or you leave them in until the game is decided. Pulling them at a random point in the second half when the game is still close makes you look like you have no idea what you are doing.

[Noop]

Dolphins still the only undefeated team in NFL history.

[mauchow]

GO BRONCS!!!

[Radii]

Caldwell screwed the pooch big time, you either play the starters a couple of series or you leave them in until the game is decided. Pulling them at a random point in the second half when the game is still close makes you look like you have no idea what you are doing.


Yup. From watching the reactions of the players on the sideline, I think its possible that many of his players think he has no idea what he's doing now. It appears this was incredibly poorly handled.

[MrDNA]

It'll be interesting to see how the Colts do in the playoffs. If they don't get all the way to the Superbowl, a lot of people are going to be talking about what happened in week 16.

[Karlifornia]

It'll be interesting to see how the Colts do in the playoffs. If they don't get all the way to the Superbowl, a lot of people are going to be talking about what happened in week 16.

Why?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Why?

From not playing to win to losing confidence in the coach, take your pick.

[tucker rocky]

Dolphins still the only undefeated team in NFL history.

:thumbsup:

[Eaglesfan27]

McNabb looked 10 years younger there. :)

edit: As I hit send reply, he grabbed his hamstring after the run :(

[jbergey22]

Gotta love this Broncos team. Eagles clearly have more talent but Denver wont quit.

[Eaglesfan27]

Maclin caught that! They better get it right on review. Heck of a catch.

[EagleFan]

GREAT catch!!!!

[jbergey22]

LEt them score

[jbergey22]

Nice win by the Eagles.

Why did Denver not let them score with 53 seconds left and 2 timeouts? Realistically is was their only chance since Akers is clutch. NFL coaches have too much pride for their own good some times.

NFC has just gotten a bit crazy with 3 teams fighting for the three tops spots. Eagles are clicking while New Orleans and Minny are falling apart. Starting to look like the Vikings will get the #1 or #3 seed. Panthers defense(especially Peppers) is playing like they have a mission to end the season beating the entire league up.

[yacovfb]

Nice win by the Eagles.

Why did Denver not let them score with 53 seconds left and 2 timeouts? Realistically is was their only chance since Akers is clutch. NFL coaches have too much pride for their own good some times.

You say this but I'm not sure the Eagles would have taken a score even if given to them. All of their plays were dives up the middle and Westbrook has already proven he'd go down to keep the clock running instead of scoring the TD. Doubt it would have mattered anyway

[Thomkal]

The football gods are not going to be pleased with the Colts today. All of the starters look pissed on the sidelines and the fans are booing like crazy after Manning was pulled in the middle of the 3rd quarter of a super competitive game.

I'm not too happy with the Colts either because it allowed the Jets D to pick up 24 points against me and a probable loss to my brother unless Tony Romo stinks up the place. :(

[Bigsmooth]

Damn, Steve Smith is a beast. Just heard he broke his arm on that TD catch against the G-Men. Great play by him.

[bhlloy]

You say this but I'm not sure the Eagles would have taken a score even if given to them. All of their plays were dives up the middle and Westbrook has already proven he'd go down to keep the clock running instead of scoring the TD. Doubt it would have mattered anyway

Agreed, they had a first down to get at around the 3 yard line. If they get there and then just fall down, the game is definitely over after the FG try and it's even more of a chip shot. Letting them score is only a viable tactic in goal-to-go situations IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not too happy with the Colts either because it allowed the Jets D to pick up 24 points against me and a probable loss to my brother unless Tony Romo stinks up the place. :(
well you should be okay then

[Dr. Sak]

Let's go Skins!

[Matthean]

From not playing to win to losing confidence in the coach, take your pick.

We got our answer if the Colts were going to go for it. If they don't win the SB, all of those wins won't mean much with one SB win to show for it. I can't imagine this move doesn't rub Manning the wrong way.

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[Radii]

well you should be okay then

Tony Romo December stats coming into tonight:

82-119 (68% completion), 953 yards, 6 TD/0 INT

[Senator]

Let's go Skins!

lmao

[Malificent]

How did that undefeated season work out for the Patriots Super Bowl victory total?

Just too much random crap that can happen to be able to say "Resting is not the way to go" or "Resting is definitely the way to go". Sample size is just way too small.

[jbergey22]

You say this but I'm not sure the Eagles would have taken a score even if given to them. All of their plays were dives up the middle and Westbrook has already proven he'd go down to keep the clock running instead of scoring the TD. Doubt it would have mattered anyway

Probably wouldnt have mattered that is why I said "realistically their only chance":) If the Eagles were smart enough to not take the sure TD than the result would have been the exact same as what happened. The first couple of plays it seemed the Eagles had gaining yardage in mind. One Bronco could just carry him into the end zone. I wonder how the ref would rule that:)

[EagleFan]

Not sure if I can make myself watch the Redskins in another prime time game, time to fire up some CoD:MW2 for a bit... ;)

[jbergey22]

How did that undefeated season work out for the Patriots Super Bowl victory total?

Just too much random crap that can happen to be able to say "Resting is not the way to go" or "Resting is definitely the way to go". Sample size is just way too small.

I think the bigger issue is that Caldwell may have lost a little respect from some of his team today. Its not often a team gets a chance to make history and he just kind of put it to the side. I'm not saying he is right or wrong but Im speculating their are players on that team that wanted the 16-0 regular season.

[EagleFan]

Probably wouldnt have mattered that is why I said "realistically their only chance":) If the Eagles were smart enough to not take the sure TD than the result would have been the exact same as what happened. The first couple of plays it seemed the Eagles had gaining yardage in mind. One Bronco could just carry him into the end zone. I wonder how the ref would rule that:)

Brings an amusing picture to mind, seeing a back being carried towards the end zone and trying to get away so he can be "tackled"...


I have to say, the last tackle during that final kickoff was a vey smart tackle, though it wasn't mentioned. The Broncos were trying all the laterals and the tackler actually bear hugged the player with the ball pinning his arms and the ball to him. It seemed to keep him from being able to get another lateral off.

[Malificent]

I think the bigger issue is that Caldwell may have lost a little respect from some of his team today. Its not often a team gets a chance to make history and he just kind of put it to the side. I'm not saying he is right or wrong but Im speculating their are players on that team that wanted the 16-0 regular season.

I don't doubt it, but there are always disagreements where some player is convinced he knows best.

"Man, we should be playing in System X, not System Y, because I'd get more sacks that way."

"Coach, I can play, I only have two broken bones and a shattered kneecap - I know I can get out there."

"We ought to be playing for an undefeated season."

Players are always going to want to play if given the chance and that's a good thing. But that's why they have a coach, to make decisions from a big picture perspective. Disagreements like this, I'm sure happen all the time. When the team is losing, they get magnified. When the team is winning, they get forgotten.

Too many words to say that I think this blows over, except for where the media talks about it forever, because that's what they do.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Too many words to say that I think this blows over, except for where the media talks about it forever, because that's what they do.

When the Colts get eliminated short of the SB, it won't be "blowing over".

And after today, I'd be downright shocked if they get there.

[MrDNA]

In the Panthers/Giants game today both Steve Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/stevesmith/profile?id=SMI733120) and Steve Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/stevesmith/profile?id=SMI725035) caught receiving touchdowns. I wonder if two players with the same name have ever scored TDs in the same game before?

[BishopMVP]

Wouldnt want to touch the Panthers right now. Playing like the best team in the NFL since Delhomme got hurt.If you ignore the loss to the Patriots, who now have the 2nd best point differential in the NFL.Why did Denver not let them score with 53 seconds left and 2 timeouts? Realistically is was their only chance since Akers is clutch. NFL coaches have too much pride for their own good some times.Hope Andy Reid called a pass for one of the 3 plays? :pI think the bigger issue is that Caldwell may have lost a little respect from some of his team today. Its not often a team gets a chance to make history and he just kind of put it to the side. I'm not saying he is right or wrong but Im speculating their are players on that team that wanted the 16-0 regular season.Oh no! Bill Belichick, I mean Jim Caldwell, has lost his team!!!I think this blows over, except for where the media talks about it forever, because that's what they do.Yup. The AFC is stocked with teams about as good as the Colts (Pats, Ravens, Chargers - even Houston, NYJ and Pittsburgh are peaking now if they make the playoffs) but any loss by the Colts will be spun by the media as turning on a week 16 decision instead of being beat by the other team.

[gstelmack]

How did that undefeated season work out for the Patriots Super Bowl victory total?

Well, the Pats actually MADE the Super Bowl, rather than the typical Colts one-and-done when they are rested heading into the postseason. That's the bigger issue here; the Colts don't win many (any?) playoff games at all when they rest their players.

[Alan T]

I wonder if some of the people criticizing the Colts today are the same ones who ripped the Pats a few years ago when they did go for the record. Seems like so many people said the patriots were foolish for trying to go for the record and it hurt their chances in the playoffs. Now suddenly that was the right move and the Colts are wrong? You all can't have it both ways you know.

I personally think these guys are professionals and they should try to win every game they can. Obviously if you have a playoff spot locked up, you don't need to senselessly play a guy with a hamstring injury that might re-aggravate it. The guys who are healthy though, they should keep playing. It is what they get paid for.

[aran]

"Better to talk about Ovechkin than to kvetch about the Redskins."

That sentence is awesome. Al Michael and Chris Collinsworth are definitely the best tandem in the booth for NFL games.

[henry296]

Time to start looking ahead to Week 17... so Patriots / Bengals fans how bad do you want the #3 seed?

[bhlloy]

I wonder if some of the people criticizing the Colts today are the same ones who ripped the Pats a few years ago when they did go for the record. Seems like so many people said the patriots were foolish for trying to go for the record and it hurt their chances in the playoffs. Now suddenly that was the right move and the Colts are wrong? You all can't have it both ways you know.

I personally think these guys are professionals and they should try to win every game they can. Obviously if you have a playoff spot locked up, you don't need to senselessly play a guy with a hamstring injury that might re-aggravate it. The guys who are healthy though, they should keep playing. It is what they get paid for.

I don't have any issue with Caldwell not going for 16-0. There really is no wrong answer IMO... you can rest your guys and be sensible, or you can go for history and be sensible.

The issue to me is that he didn't do either. He left his starters in long enough to get injured and then pulled them halfway through the third with a small lead. It just doesn't make any sense. To me that says a weak coach who is trying to hedge his bets and not piss anybody off, and you can bet the players aren't stupid and they know that. That's why I think the Indy players looked so pissed off on the sideline, there was absolutely no way to justify making that decision at that time. If the starters were going to be pulled they should have been pulled after a couple of series or just not played at all.

[Butter]

Time to start looking ahead to Week 17... so Patriots / Bengals fans how bad do you want the #3 seed?

Pretty badly actually. I'd much rather have the Bengals playing San Diego in the 2nd round of the playoffs than the Colts. The Bengals were not far off from winning out there a couple of weeks ago... no reason they couldn't put together a better game and pull off the upset.

Although the way they have been playing the last few weeks, they will be lucky to get past round 1.

[JPhillips]

Pretty badly actually. I'd much rather have the Bengals playing San Diego in the 2nd round of the playoffs than the Colts. The Bengals were not far off from winning out there a couple of weeks ago... no reason they couldn't put together a better game and pull off the upset.

Although the way they have been playing the last few weeks, they will be lucky to get past round 1.

The flexing of the Bengals/Jets game is a big help. Now they'll know if they have a chance for the three seed before they play and can choose to rest starters if NE wins.

[Thomkal]

could be an interesting scenario next week in the NFC playoff race. Green Bay plays Arizona and Philly plays Dallas, and depending on those results, they could be the first round playoff games as well. So do you go all out and try to win the game or put your backups in pretty early so as not to show your hand too much for the playoffs? Philly at least can still play for the #2 seed, and I guess the Cards still have a chance too depending on what Minnesota does tonight, so that might factor in.

[rowech]

Pretty badly actually. I'd much rather have the Bengals playing San Diego in the 2nd round of the playoffs than the Colts. The Bengals were not far off from winning out there a couple of weeks ago... no reason they couldn't put together a better game and pull off the upset.

Although the way they have been playing the last few weeks, they will be lucky to get past round 1.

As a Bengals fan, I'd rather be playing Indy than San Diego.

[cougarfreak]

As a Bengals fan, I'd rather be playing Indy than San Diego.

I'll add my two cents here too. I'd much rather play Indy than San Diego as well, especially if Crocker comes back and is healthy. I think the pass rush can get to Manning, and that's always been his achilles heel. Honestly though, I think our round 1 game will be a nail biter, unless they open the offense up a bit. I don't envy the idea of entertaining Baltimore or Pitts. again. I do think we are better than both of them, but to beat them a third time would be very tough. I'd much rather play Denver or anyone else in round 1.

[DaddyTorgo]

as a Pats fan i'd take either - happily

[spleen1015]

After seeing that crap yesterday, I have 0 faith that the Colts can win the Super Bowl. The leadership within the organization doesn't have a killer instinct.

As long as you have the chance to make history, you try. You owe it to the people who paid $100 a seat to come watch the game. You owe it to the people who spend $100 for the jersey of their favorite players.

Right now, I don't even want to root for them.

[molson]

The Colts are lame.

They've actually created a scenario where there would be an air of dissapointment and "what if?" feeling after a Super Bowl win.

[rowech]

I'll add my two cents here too. I'd much rather play Indy than San Diego as well, especially if Crocker comes back and is healthy. I think the pass rush can get to Manning, and that's always been his achilles heel. Honestly though, I think our round 1 game will be a nail biter, unless they open the offense up a bit. I don't envy the idea of entertaining Baltimore or Pitts. again. I do think we are better than both of them, but to beat them a third time would be very tough. I'd much rather play Denver or anyone else in round 1.

Unless they plan to unleash Simpson as a surprise against the entire league in the playoffs, I can't see them opening the offense up. They have no ability to stretch the field right now. If they use Chad to do that and the safety doubles, they have to rely on Coles and Caldwell to get open underneath in the 8-20 range and I don't think they've shown an ability to do that. So they're stuck using Caldwell to try and stretch the field and hope that Coles and Johnson can get open which is definitely better odds. Henry's injury and eventual death destroyed the offense from that perspective. People can be upset about it and I can certainly appreciate it, but if you don't have the guys you don't have the guys.

[Butter]

I have a hard time imagining a world where Simpson is not cut after this season. Quan Cosby has impressed me as a possession #4 type receiver in the last 2 games, and Simpson must REALLY not be ready if he hasn't been thrown out there as yet. I think Cosby sticks as the #4/5 receiver and they go after a speed guy to stretch the field in FA or the draft in the offseason.

[stevew]

And after today, I'd be downright shocked if they get there.

Me too.

[Thomkal]

I have a hard time imagining a world where Simpson is not cut after this season. Quan Cosby has impressed me as a possession #4 type receiver in the last 2 games, and Simpson must REALLY not be ready if he hasn't been thrown out there as yet. I think Cosby sticks as the #4/5 receiver and they go after a speed guy to stretch the field in FA or the draft in the offseason.

<---disappointed the Bengals have given up on Coastal Carolina's Simpson. :(

[Mustang]

could be an interesting scenario next week in the NFC playoff race. Green Bay plays Arizona and Philly plays Dallas, and depending on those results, they could be the first round playoff games as well.

Dallas and Philadelphia will play to win regardless. There is a huge difference in a home game and a probable #3 seed.

Arizona needs Minnesota to lose 2x and Dallas to win to get that 1st round bye so, they will know tonight. If Minnesota wins tonight, a Green Bay vs Arizona matchup in the 1st round is guaranteed (I believe) just not if it is a 3 v 6 or 4 v 5 matchup. If I'm Arizona, I'm trying to get that #3 spot potentially given the Saints and Vikings misteps in the last few weeks. If I'm the Packers, eh.. #5 spot or #6? I'd prefer the #5 spot just in case hell freezes over and it is a 5 v 6 matchup in the title game, but I don't think I'm going balls out to win it.

[flere-imsaho]

I don't have any issue with Caldwell not going for 16-0. There really is no wrong answer IMO... you can rest your guys and be sensible, or you can go for history and be sensible.

The issue to me is that he didn't do either. He left his starters in long enough to get injured and then pulled them halfway through the third with a small lead. It just doesn't make any sense.

Excellent post. :thumbsup:

Pulling Manning and the other starters off at that juncture made absolutely no sense.

Clearly he didn't pull them because the Colts were way ahead or way behind. In fact, basically by pulling them at that point, they gave the game to the Jets, who took advantage of Painter's turnovers to come back and then put the game out of reach.

And I don't think he pulled them because they were getting knocked around. Manning in particular looked just fine in the pocket. Plus, if you're going to pull these guys to keep them from getting knocked around, why is Jeff Saturday still in there?

Just some really poor decision-making there and that, in particular, is what doesn't bode well for the playoffs.

[Butter]

<---disappointed the Bengals have given up on Coastal Carolina's Simpson. :(

Me too, but this is his 2nd year, and he doesn't even have a catch in a real game (I don't think).

[rowech]

I have a hard time imagining a world where Simpson is not cut after this season. Quan Cosby has impressed me as a possession #4 type receiver in the last 2 games, and Simpson must REALLY not be ready if he hasn't been thrown out there as yet. I think Cosby sticks as the #4/5 receiver and they go after a speed guy to stretch the field in FA or the draft in the offseason.

I'm fine with that. I always thought Cosby was a good WR at Texas. I couldn't believe he wasn't even drafted. I know it's because of his size but he has great hands and is very smart. He's extremely good at making the first guy miss on any punt/kick returns.

[Doug5984]

All I can say is well that sucked <--- from a Saints fan.

[Chubby]

I think it was more of the GM telling Caldwell to sit the guys due to both of their comments the last couple of weeks...

[cougarfreak]

Unless they plan to unleash Simpson as a surprise against the entire league in the playoffs, I can't see them opening the offense up. They have no ability to stretch the field right now. If they use Chad to do that and the safety doubles, they have to rely on Coles and Caldwell to get open underneath in the 8-20 range and I don't think they've shown an ability to do that. So they're stuck using Caldwell to try and stretch the field and hope that Coles and Johnson can get open which is definitely better odds. Henry's injury and eventual death destroyed the offense from that perspective. People can be upset about it and I can certainly appreciate it, but if you don't have the guys you don't have the guys.

I'm not sure they need someone to stretch it or not, check out the SD game stats. The leading receiver was Foschi, which opened things up on the outside for Chad Johnson as well. Their passing game was pretty good that game. I just hope they go down with guns blazing if need be.

[Butter]

I'm not sure they need someone to stretch it or not, check out the SD game stats. The leading receiver was Foschi, which opened things up on the outside for Chad Johnson as well. Their passing game was pretty good that game. I just hope they go down with guns blazing if need be.

Yes. If they lost to Kansas City with the ultra-conservative gameplan that was constantly leaving them in 3rd and 5+, I was going to be pretty pissed. As it is, I am still of the opinion that they are being far too conservative for their own good. I agree with having a strong running game, but I think they need to mix in more early down passing, and not be so stuck on running that they continue to pound it on 2nd and 15 when they have the inevitable 7 false start and holding penalties they seem to have every game.

[rowech]

Yes. If they lost to Kansas City with the ultra-conservative gameplan that was constantly leaving them in 3rd and 5+, I was going to be pretty pissed. As it is, I am still of the opinion that they are being far too conservative for their own good. I agree with having a strong running game, but I think they need to mix in more early down passing, and not be so stuck on running that they continue to pound it on 2nd and 15 when they have the inevitable 7 false start and holding penalties they seem to have every game.

The penalties kill them for sure. If they get rid of them (which I don't see how) then that's a huge plus going into the playoffs. You didn't even mention the delay of game penalties. I have never seen a team called for as many delays as they are.

[dubb93]

Mission accomplished for the Colts if by that it is meant to divide the locker room and turn their fan base against the coach/team. After the game comments by Jeff Saturday and others made it clear they didn't like the decision to pull the starters and the local media/fans have been absolutely roasting the Colts.

Just what this team needed heading into the playoffs was to go from 14-0 to a team with a divided locker room and a disillusioned fan base.

[dubb93]

I think the real test of Caldwell isn't going to be what was done in week 16 because that damage is done, but it is going to be how he sells what he did to the players and us fans. The local CBS Indy affiliate ran a poll after the game asking if the fans agreed with how Caldwell handled this and 95% did not. Will be an interesting week 17 and bye week leading up to the playoff game.

[MizzouRah]

Mission accomplished for the Colts if by that it is meant to divide the locker room and turn their fan base against the coach/team. After the game comments by Jeff Saturday and others made it clear they didn't like the decision to pull the starters and the local media/fans have been absolutely roasting the Colts.

Just what this team needed heading into the playoffs was to go from 14-0 to a team with a divided locker room and a disillusioned fan base.

It has to be a tough decision for the coach, if Peyton goes out and tears his ACL late in the game, everyone raises hell that he was out there in the first place.

[Atocep]

I think the real test of Caldwell isn't going to be what was done in week 16 because that damage is done, but it is going to be how he sells what he did to the players and us fans. The local CBS Indy affiliate ran a poll after the game asking if the fans agreed with how Caldwell handled this and 95% did not. Will be an interesting week 17 and bye week leading up to the playoff game.

I'd rather have a coach that does what he wants to do rather than coaching for the fans. Too many coaches in every sport coach to not piss off fans.

As for the players, I seriously doubt they play any less hard from here on out because of his decision. I'm sure if they lose before the Super Bowl the media is going to go back to this, though.

[Mustang]

Unless the Colts went 16-0 and won the Super Bowl, someone would bitch about something. It is just that Sports Talk Radio mentality of the average fan that you just have to bitch about something even in a win.

[Danny]

And if they do win the super bowl then people will complain about them having been able to go 19-0.

[Danny]

That said, Colts are my second favorite team and Manning my favorite player, so it would have been nice for them to go 16-0.

[MIJB#19]

Sunday's results have created one hell of a wild card race in the AFC. I'm definately going to dig into it tomorrow to see what scenarios can unfold. :D

[BishopMVP]

Time to start looking ahead to Week 17... so Patriots / Bengals fans how bad do you want the #3 seed?I'd like to win and get it, but the scenarios where it matters are so unlikely I wouldn't be mad if they rested some of the DL or Welker, or if they used it to try and get Aiken/Edelman more involved before the playoffs, or getting Fred Taylor used to being the feature back again. Since 5/6 is so up in the air right now it's useless to know what's better from a 1st-round perspective. 2nd round I'd obviously prefer to play @SD than @Indy, but I think we're going to have to go through Indy regardless, so who cares if its put off until the AFCCG. The only way 3/4 matters for the AFCCG is if both us win first round and upset SD/Indy 2nd round - and that has maybe a 5% chance of happening.

Plus, losing to Houston wouldn't gift them a playoff spot, but could actually gift the Jets the spot between Indy's capitulation and then if Cincy, being the later game and having #3 locked up, rests its starters.

[Coffee Warlord]

Jay Cutler looking good in irrelevantseason.

[mauchow]

Vikings OL sucks. WTH.

[Thomkal]

Keep it up Bears, need ya to win to keep my Cards alive for the #2 seed.

[mauchow]

They're missing EJ Henderson and Pat Williams on D. SAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hopefully Favre won't throw a pass & let his idiot HC have his way ... and they lose by 40.

[Neuqua]

See what happens when Cutler actually has time to throw?

[henry296]

I'd like to win and get it, but the scenarios where it matters are so unlikely I wouldn't be mad if they rested some of the DL or Welker, or if they used it to try and get Aiken/Edelman more involved before the playoffs, or getting Fred Taylor used to being the feature back again. Since 5/6 is so up in the air right now it's useless to know what's better from a 1st-round perspective. 2nd round I'd obviously prefer to play @SD than @Indy, but I think we're going to have to go through Indy regardless, so who cares if its put off until the AFCCG. The only way 3/4 matters for the AFCCG is if both us win first round and upset SD/Indy 2nd round - and that has maybe a 5% chance of happening.

Plus, losing to Houston wouldn't gift them a playoff spot, but could actually gift the Jets the spot between Indy's capitulation and then if Cincy, being the later game and having #3 locked up, rests its starters.

With a Pats win, Cincy probaby rests its starters which could allow them to knock the Steelers out if the Jets win. Would that enter their thinking at all?

[rowech]

With a Pats win, Cincy probaby rests its starters which could allow them to knock the Steelers out if the Jets win. Would that enter their thinking at all?

I have to think it would. As far as I'm concerned, getting the game at 8 is huge. At first I thought it sucked but now knowing that New England will have played and their result finished, the Bengals can all but try and pick their opponent.

[henry296]

A Bengals loss, I think guarantees a rematch with the Jets.

[RedKingGold]

As a part-Eagles fan, I'm very happy with how this is developing for Philly next weekend.

[BishopMVP]

With a Pats win, Cincy probably rests its starters which could allow them to knock the Steelers out if the Jets win. Would that enter their thinking at all?Are you talking about the Bengals or the Pats there? I imagine if the Pats cared either way they would rather see the Steelers in the playoffs than a 3rd matchup with the Jets, unless they feel they gained schematic advantages that can still be exploited in between the two games.

[BishopMVP]

Maybe it's just hindsight, but it's interesting to see all the teams that outperformed their expectations early (Minnesota, New Orleans, Cincinnati, Denver) collapsing or regressing and the "usual" teams (Pittsburgh, New England, Philadelphia) coming on strong.

[henry296]

Are you talking about the Bengals or the Pats there? I imagine if the Pats cared either way they would rather see the Steelers in the playoffs than a 3rd matchup with the Jets, unless they feel they gained schematic advantages that can still be exploited in between the two games.

I was talking about the Bengals given a Pats win earlier in the day.

[Matthean]

Saints lost two in a row. Colts now with a loss and some turmoil. Minnesota down 10, maybe losing 3 out of the past 4, and turmoil. Tough to remember a stretch run at the end of the season where the top teams had various issues.
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[JPhillips]

Maybe it's just hindsight, but it's interesting to see all the teams that outperformed their expectations early (Minnesota, New Orleans, Cincinnati, Denver) collapsing or regressing and the "usual" teams (Pittsburgh, New England, Philadelphia) coming on strong.

Winning two in a row after losing five in a row is coming on strong?

[jbergey22]

I wouldnt really call 13-2 collapsing. For that matter I wouldnt call 10-5 or 11-3 collapsing either. Looks like the Cutler we love is back.

[jbergey22]

Can anyone unbias tell me if they also think Childress is the worst playcaller in the NFL?

Its great if you force yourself to establish the run but come on you have a HOF QB are you are down 10 points in the 4th quarter. Pass the frikin ball on 3rd and 3.

[Coffee Warlord]

See what happens when Cutler actually has time to throw?

For a half, anyway.

[Coffee Warlord]

Annnnnd there's the WR's I remember, now that Cutler's back too.

[jbergey22]

Wierd how good the Vikings offense looks when they open it up. Too bad it takes them 3 quarters to figure it out.

[mauchow]

which cutler will show up on their last drive of the game?

[jbergey22]

which cutler will show up on their last drive of the game?

Tight situations usually brings out the best in him:) Lucky for us

[Neuqua]

Tight situations usually brings out the best in him:) Lucky for us

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[jbergey22]

Well played Vikings.

[Eaglesfan27]

Go Bears! I thought this game would be over when I turned it on a few minutes ago, but I'm happy to be wrong. :)

[k0ruptr]

good game.

[k0ruptr]

He sure is a good qb... great play. wow .

[jbergey22]

Sydney TD!!!!

[Eaglesfan27]

Great throw and catch.

[Coffee Warlord]

Now, the question is. Will the Bears let Cutler try anything.

[mauchow]

The toss going to pick the winner?

[mauchow]

Stupid Vikings missed an EXTRA POINT.

[jbergey22]

The toss going to pick the winner?

Lets hope not! Just gotta get them in 2nd and long and stop giving up 3-4 yards on 1st down. AND dont give up a huge return.

[mauchow]

The toss going to pick the winner?

If the Vikings Special Teams can hold the Bears to the 30 yard line or less I like their chances being on defense first.. but allow them to gain momentum again with a big return, this one is over.

[jbergey22]

Time for the ultimate Cutler meltdown. Int return for TD.

[Coffee Warlord]

I like Devin Aromashudu.

[k0ruptr]

well... that was quick. vikings D fail.

[RedKingGold]

Arobidshoudou!

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn.

[k0ruptr]

ROBBIE GOULD FAIL!!! WOOOHOO!!!

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow. Didn't expect that from Gould.

[Neuqua]

That sounds about right.

[k0ruptr]

ROBBIE GOULD FAIL!!! WOOOHOO!!!

sorry, that sounded really bad, no disrespect to any bears fans on the board. I don't really hate them, just rooting for the vikes tonite.

[tucker rocky]

Weather makes it feel like the kicker is kicking a rock.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow. Didn't expect that from the Bear's D-line.

[EagleFan]

Down goes Favre....

[Eaglesfan27]

Nice sack even while being held. Good job defense, now the Bears just need a good return.

[k0ruptr]

wow, this has turned into a great game and great overtime.

[kingfc22]

Is it wrong that I want Favre to lose all the time.

Just want him to go away already.

[EagleFan]

How was that not a penalty on Favre after the play? Last I knew throwing the ball down was an automatic penalty while on the field.

[k0ruptr]

would be if it wasn't Favre.

[kingfc22]

How was that not a penalty on Favre after the play? Last I knew throwing the ball down was an automatic penalty while on the field.

Well that is because it was done by the oh holy one himself.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow. Expected that from Cutler.

[jbergey22]

Is it wrong that I want Favre to lose all the time.

Just want him to go away already.

Could it be that you secretly want to be him?

[k0ruptr]

AD Fail.

[Eaglesfan27]

Clear fumble. Nice job by the defense.

[Neuqua]

Beautifully done by Hunter, Gould isn't gonna miss twice..

[k0ruptr]

Wonder if anyone else noticed that he was facemasked on the way down. sucks when you get facemasked tackled and fumble. how does that work if the penalty is called?

[EagleFan]

Fumble!!!!!!!!!

[kingfc22]

Could it be that you secretly want to be him?

Fail.

[sabotai]

How was that not a penalty on Favre after the play? Last I knew throwing the ball down was an automatic penalty while on the field.

I've seen players do that several times this year without it being called. The refs have gotten lazy about calling it in general.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wonder if anyone else noticed that he was facemasked on the way down. sucks when you get facemasked tackled and fumble. how does that work if the penalty is called?

I disagree with him being facemasked, but if that penalty was called it would negate the fumble.

[EagleFan]

Wonder if anyone else noticed that he was facemasked on the way down. sucks when you get facemasked tackled and fumble. how does that work if the penalty is called?

Good question, no idea, probably depends on how the refs want the game to go at the time of the call. ;)

[jbergey22]

Wonder if anyone else noticed that he was facemasked on the way down. sucks when you get facemasked tackled and fumble. how does that work if the penalty is called?

Penalty from the spot of the foul. No fumble

[Tigercat]

OK, every team needs a guy upstairs to calm down these coaches with a dose of reality. Let them watch the TV feed if necessary. Calm down Childress and Peterson, that is a clear fumble. Although calling a timeout right now has benefits beyond giving the booth time to look at the play.

[k0ruptr]

I disagree with him being facemasked, but if that penalty was called it would negate the fumble.

thank you, yea watching it again I'm not sure , but it was close (facemask). definite fumble though.

[EagleFan]

Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eaglesfan27]

YES! Perfect throw by Cutler.

[Neuqua]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[k0ruptr]

that guy is a player! sign him up long term! good game!

[RedKingGold]

ARRRRROUCHABABABABASCOOBYDOOBYDOO!


FOR THE WIN!

[kingfc22]

I hope Philly takes the #2 seed.

Need some outdoor football in the NFC.

[k0ruptr]

AD must feel like shit right now. but he won me a fantasy super bowl tonite! don't feel too bad AD, you guys still will most likely be the 2 seed and I'm pretty sure you will be alright come playoff time.

[Eaglesfan27]

AD must feel like shit right now. but he won me a fantasy super bowl tonite! don't feel too bad AD, you guys still will most likely be the 2 seed and I'm pretty sure you will be alright come playoff time.

They aren't going to be the #2 seed. Philly will take care of business next week. :)

[RedKingGold]

They aren't going to be the #2 seed. Philly will take care of business next week. :)

Yes, yes they will. :D

[Matthean]

I hope Philly takes the #2 seed.

Need some outdoor football in the NFC.

I bet Favre doesn't like the idea of being a #3 seed having to play at Philly.

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[Neuqua]

Somewhere jbergey is hitting his head against a wall.

[jbergey22]

AD must feel like shit right now. but he won me a fantasy super bowl tonite! don't feel too bad AD, you guys still will most likely be the 2 seed and I'm pretty sure you will be alright come playoff time.

We are a coach away from being alright come playoff time.

Childress called his nice conservative game to get them down 16-0 before opening it up and watching the offense take off. Next week it goes right back to conservative game calling.

Its like Childress got tired of Favres success so he is trying to muzzle it all up.

[sabotai]

They aren't going to be the #2 seed. Philly will take care of business next week. :)

Does Philly have the tie breaker over the Vikes? (Because if you're counting on the Giants to beat Minnesota next week.....)

[jbergey22]

Somewhere jbergey is hitting his head against a wall.

Nope. The Vikings are what they are until Childress opens the game up. Im hoping this was a good thing so dipshit coach can realize the Vikings play their best when opening it up.

If they let Favre pass the ball they are one of the best teams in the NFL, if Childress thinks they can run the ball and score, they will be out in the 1st round whoever they play.

[jbergey22]

Does Philly have the tie breaker over the Vikes? (Because if you're counting on the Giants to beat Minnesota next week.....)

yes they do

[k0ruptr]

They aren't going to be the #2 seed. Philly will take care of business next week. :)

far from a gimme though @ Dallas. if Philly doesn't thought and the Vikings get the 2 seed, seeing as they are undefeated at home this season, I can see them making the playoffs a pretty good race.

[Eaglesfan27]

Does Philly have the tie breaker over the Vikes? (Because if you're counting on the Giants to beat Minnesota next week.....)

Yes, Philly controls their destiny for the #2 seed.

[Eaglesfan27]

far from a gimme though @ Dallas. if Philly doesn't thought and the Vikings get the 2 seed, seeing as they are undefeated at home this season, I can see them making the playoffs a pretty good race.


True, but after floundering in the middle of the season, Philly is peaking at the right time. I feel very good about their chances of winning next week.

[mauchow]

So lets say this scenario happens:

Vikes Win, Cards Lose, Cowboys Win.

Saints #1, Vikes #2, Cowboys #3, Cards #4, #5 Packers, #6 Eagles. That is crazy, to go from playing for a #2 seed to becoming the #6 seed and causing two matchups that happened the week before.

Pack vs Cards and Eagles at Cowboys. Hilarious. Packers @ Saints, Eagles @ Vikings (I would pick Eagles over them this time...)

If Vikes lose, Cards win, Eagles Win.... the seedings change completely.

Saints, Eagles, Cards, Vikes, Packers, Cowboys.

Cowboys @ Cards, Packers @ Vikes --- Cards win, Vikes win, Vikes @ Saints, Cards @ Eagles. I'll take my chances with that as a Vikings fan.

One way or another, the playoffs should be exciting...but we get one more week of this excitement.. or in the Vikings fan's case, one more week of what the hell is Childress doing?

[k0ruptr]

It's also crazy that if the vikes and eagles lose, and cards win, the cards get the #2 seed!

[jbergey22]

It's also crazy that if the vikes and eagles lose, and cards win, the cards get the #2 seed!

Could happen!

[Senator]

I enjoy the dismissal of Dallas, see you next week my sweet bitches.

[Eaglesfan27]

I enjoy the dismissal of Dallas, see you next week my sweet bitches.

Philly is on a 6 game winning streak. Dallas has big game Romo and Wade Phillips. I'd be glad to place a bet on Philly any time with that scenario. :p

[Senator]

Let's do one. I get points.

[miami_fan]

Why is it so fucking hard for analysts to just say that the rules for coaching Favre are different then the rules for coaching any an everyone else? The rules are not the same for everyone. All that bullshit coachspeak about treating everyone the same and having everyone follow the same rules is just that.....BULLSHIT COACHSPEAK. It is not as big of a deal as people make of it when another star player goes outside of what his coach wants if he feels it is best for the team whether it is Brett Favre or not.

[Eaglesfan27]

I enjoy the dismissal of Dallas, see you next week my sweet bitches.

Let's do one. I get points.

That doesn't sound like the smack talk of someone seeking points, but sure I'd give a few points.

[jbergey22]

Cowboys are -3 according to Vegas.

[Senator]

I am a fan by choice; practical by necessity.

[EagleFan]

I enjoy the dismissal of Dallas, see you next week my sweet bitches.

Let's do one. I get points.

That's funny...

[EagleFan]

Cowboys are -3 according to Vegas.

So 27 should be getting points...

[jbergey22]

So 27 should be getting points...

He should be yes. Id say Cowboys -2.5 would be a fair number. -3 seems like a ton of value for the Eagles.

[BishopMVP]

Winning two in a row after losing five in a row is coming on strong?When those two wins are over Green Bay and Baltimore after being effectively out of the playoff race I'd say it qualifies.I wouldnt really call 13-2 collapsing. For that matter I wouldnt call 10-5 or 11-3 collapsing either.That's probably why I said collapsing or regressing.

But yes, 10-5 can be collapsing if you start 7-2 and then go 3-3 with single-digit wins at home over Cleveland, Detroit and Kansas City - and lose one of your best defensive players as icing on the cake. Or even when you're 13-2 if you started 11-0, looked unbeatable against a good team, then proceeded to beat a terrible team only because of an epic collapse and lost 2 straight at home, including to one of the worst teams in the NFL when trying to clinch homefield. And 11-4 can be too when you start 10-1 and are subsequently getting destroyed at the line of scrimmage by under .500 teams.

[jbergey22]

Your expecations are a little high I believe. It is the NFL. The Vikings seem to have fallen off from the high expectations they had earlier because Childress is an idiot but the other two teams seem fine. The Vikings are notorious for this type of thing so its really not unexpected. Started 5-0 one year didnt make the playoffs. Only 15-1 team to not make the Super Bowl. Lost 4 Super Bowls. They are as cursed franchise as there is in the NFL.

The Eagles lost to the Raiders as the Saints lost to the Bucs as the Vikings lost to the Bears.


I dont think anyone really thought the Bengals were any higher than a 6th-12th best team which is how they have been playing IMO.

The Titans lost 59-0 and followed it by winning 7 out of 8 games.

When I think of collapse I think of the Mets blowing a huge lead a couple of years ago or the Tigers epic collapse to the Twins this year.

Even the Best(or 2nd best) team IMO in NFL history lost their most important game of the year. 2007 Pats.

Long story short. I think its hard to judge a collapse in the NFL as the sample size is really small playing only 16 games.