NFL Week 17 - Welker hurt, Giants suck and some other stuff

[DeToxRox]

As a Lions fan no week in the NFL is worse then Week 17. We have a blacked out game that doesn't matter. Our rookie QB is out so we can't even watch him play. All my FF leagues are over (for nearly everyone else I'd assume too) and this year the one game that means anything will end up a sham as the Jets will play a Bengals team most likely headed up by JT O'Sullivan.

Oh well. At least I can hold out hope that the Rams accidentally beat SF and the Lions lose.

[Radii]

the one game that means anything will end up a sham as the Jets will play a Bengals team most likely headed up by JT O'Sullivan.


I remain surprised that Dallas/Philadelphia wasn't flexed to Sunday night instead of Jets/Bengals for this reason. Once Dallas beat Washington last Sunday, Dallas/Philly was the only game in the league that could be played after all the other games and be guaranteed to still have meaning for both teams. Unless, of course, there's a rule about the same team appearing on Sunday night two weeks in a row, in which case that's a shitty rule to have for week 17!

[spleen1015]

If I pay attention to football at all this weekend it will because I'm in a fantasy football championship with about $150 on the line.

The Colts sucked out all of my NFL enthusiasm.

[Sun Tzu]

DeTox. I think it's safe to assume that regardless of whether the Rams have the first, second, or third pick of the draft, that they'll be taking either Clausen or McCoy. That should leave at least 2-3 top flight receivers for the Lions to choose from.

[rowech]

I remain surprised that Dallas/Philadelphia wasn't flexed to Sunday night instead of Jets/Bengals for this reason. Once Dallas beat Washington last Sunday, Dallas/Philly was the only game in the league that could be played after all the other games and be guaranteed to still have meaning for both teams. Unless, of course, there's a rule about the same team appearing on Sunday night two weeks in a row, in which case that's a shitty rule to have for week 17!

They said the reason they did it was because at the end of this TV contract cycle, an equal number of Fox games and CBS games must be flexed. Currently, Fox has lost five more games than CBS has and they took the game to start to try and balance it out.

[JediKooter]

I will laugh if Denver loses and they don't make the playoffs.

[Rizon]

Our rookie QB is out so we can't even watch him play.

You'd only miss him throw a few picks anyways.

[henry296]

I will laugh if Denver loses and they don't make the playoffs.

I bet it is likely that Denver will win and not make the playoffs.

[DeToxRox]

DeTox. I think it's safe to assume that regardless of whether the Rams have the first, second, or third pick of the draft, that they'll be taking either Clausen or McCoy. That should leave at least 2-3 top flight receivers for the Lions to choose from.

What sucks is we actually need WR badly :(

[DataKing]

What sucks is we actually need WR badly :(
Really? I'd think the Lions have much bigger needs than WR, with Megatron on the roster. I'm thinking...any position on defense.

[DeToxRox]

Really? I'd think the Lions have much bigger needs than WR, with Megatron on the roster. I'm thinking...any position on defense.

I don't mean in the draft. Just that our WR's outside Megatron are an abortion despite all the picks used on them in the past.

[Butter]

I bet it is likely that Denver will win and not make the playoffs.

Speaking of, we haven't had a good argument about how great and underrated Denver is and what a good hire Josh McDaniels was for a while. I guess going 2-7 over the last 9 games will do that.

[miami_fan]

As a Lions fan no week in the NFL is worse then Week 17. We have a blacked out game that doesn't matter. Our rookie QB is out so we can't even watch him play. All my FF leagues are over (for nearly everyone else I'd assume too) and this year the one game that means anything will end up a sham as the Jets will play a Bengals team most likely headed up by JT O'Sullivan.

Oh well. At least I can hold out hope that the Rams accidentally beat SF and the Lions lose.

You actually want the #1 pick again?

[CraigSca]

I remain surprised that Dallas/Philadelphia wasn't flexed to Sunday night instead of Jets/Bengals for this reason. Once Dallas beat Washington last Sunday, Dallas/Philly was the only game in the league that could be played after all the other games and be guaranteed to still have meaning for both teams. Unless, of course, there's a rule about the same team appearing on Sunday night two weeks in a row, in which case that's a shitty rule to have for week 17!

Not sure about back-to-back appearances, but I think there is a rule about how many times you can appear on primetime and use flex. I think Dallas has been on prime time too many times.

[DeToxRox]

You actually want the #1 pick again?

9 times out of 10 I would say no but I am that high on Suh. He is someone who can turn a D around in a hurry.

[JeeberDMack]

The one time this year I'll be rooting for the Giants and they have absolutely nothing to play for. And, of course, I'm sure the last thing they want to do is help the Cowboys (or Eagles) out...

[MacroGuru]

Yeah I can't even sell my Colts vs Bills Tickets for $30 less than face value for the 2.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Yeah I can't even sell my Colts vs Bills Tickets for $30 less than face value for the 2.


I'd buy them for dollar but my wife doesnt wanna give up the suite

[Atocep]

9 times out of 10 I would say no but I am that high on Suh. He is someone who can turn a D around in a hurry.

Suh is no doubt the guy in this draft but I don't think Eric Berry would be a bad consolation prize.

[Suburban Rhythm]

the one game that means anything will end up a sham as the Jets will play a Bengals team most likely headed up by JT O'Sullivan.


Lamarr Woodley agrees with you.

Woodley predicts Bengals, Patriots to 'lay down' to keep Steelers out (http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09364/1024559-66.stm)

[RendeR]

Lamarr Woodley agrees with you.

Woodley predicts Bengals, Patriots to 'lay down' to keep Steelers out (http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09364/1024559-66.stm)


Yeah, everyone's afraid of the big bad "can't stop shit in the 4th quarter" fucking squealers.

Yep, fucking PANIC stricken.

Woodley is such a lame ass. The only team People are less worried about right now would be...Miami or maybe Jacksonville. The Jets, Broncos and Ravens are all better than shitsburgh.

[miami_fan]

Jets to hold halftime Giants Stadium celebration - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/12/31/giants.jets.stadium.ap/index.html)

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- The New York Jets will pay tribute to their 26 years at Giants Stadium with a halftime celebration during the final regular-season game to be played there Sunday night against the Cincinnati Bengals.

The Jets, who moved to the Meadowlands from Shea Stadium in 1984, will have at least one player from every season at Giants Stadium represented at the ceremony, including Joe Klecko, Mark Gastineau, Wesley Walker, Marty Lyons, Al Toon, Wayne Chrebet and Vinny Testaverde.

No alcohol will be served at the game, a decision the team made after consulting with the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority. The parking lots will open 5 hours before the 8:20 p.m. kickoff for tailgating.

"The organization approaches the decision of whether to serve alcohol on a game-by-game basis, with input from the NJSEA," Jets spokesman Bruce Speight said. "With the late start of Sunday's game, coupled with this being the final regular-season and final game at the stadium, we feel it is prudent not to serve alcohol."

A highlights video will be played at halftime of a game the Jets (8-7) need to win to make the playoffs. The first 70,000 fans will receive a white rally towel with the words "Win And We're In" printed in green letters.

The Jets and Giants will begin playing home games at the New Meadowlands Stadium next season, located northeast of the current stadium.

Read more: Jets to hold halftime Giants Stadium celebration - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/12/31/giants.jets.stadium.ap/index.html#ixzz0bFWVp09u)
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[Suburban Rhythm]

Yeah, everyone's afraid of the big bad "can't stop shit in the 4th quarter" fucking squealers.

Yep, fucking PANIC stricken.

Woodley is such a lame ass. The only team People are less worried about right now would be...Miami or maybe Jacksonville. The Jets, Broncos and Ravens are all better than shitsburgh.

We get it already. You don't like Pittsburgh. It's old.

[k0ruptr]

not week 17 related,but was just watching a micd up video on Brett Favre earlier this year against the lions. It's Awesome and I'm not even too much of a Favre fan. you guys should check it out:

hxxp://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Sound-FX---Brett-Favre-Just-A-Big-Kid/5710a3de-a55a-4b08-ba98-8a45e4319627

[k0ruptr]

Dola, I love these vids, this is one of Stafford when he lead the come back against the browns. and he was hurt the last couple plays of the game, pure guts. Kids got em.

hxxp://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d8147c551/Sound-FX-Matthew-Stafford-mic-d-up

[Suburban Rhythm]

Surprised this wasn't posted yet.

Broncos bench Brandon Marshall Sunday. Also benching Tony Scheffler.

Josh McDaniels benches Brandon Marshall for Broncos finale - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/01/01/marshall.ap/index.html)

[stevew]

To answer the titular question:

History suggests that the Bills will still get rolled in week 17 by a playoff team's b squad. See 2003, when the bills had a playoff birth on the line, and got stomped by a Steelers team featuring Brian St Pierre and Willie Parker(before he was a starter)

[stevew]

This has to be the last time I'll see good ole TC23 on the outer frames of a play, chasing down the guy he was supposed to cover? Right SR? Hopefully him and Tank can hang out a lot next season, Tank should be out of prison soon.

[Suburban Rhythm]

This has to be the last time I'll see good ole TC23 on the outer frames of a play, chasing down the guy he was supposed to cover? Right SR? Hopefully him and Tank can hang out a lot next season, Tank should be out of prison soon.

I read an article in the Trib today that blew my mind.

Discussion of who, should the Steelers choose to, would get the franchise tag after the season. Mentioned Hampton, Clark, Parker and Reed as the main UFAs.

And all I could think is WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SUPPORT FOR THE BEST DREADS IN PITSBURGH!?

[Suburban Rhythm]

DOLA

NFL to ask competition committee to look again at game, competitive balance - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4788472)

Not really sure how this gets enforced

[Thomkal]

Surprised this wasn't posted yet.

Broncos bench Brandon Marshall Sunday. Also benching Tony Scheffler.

Josh McDaniels benches Brandon Marshall for Broncos finale - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/01/01/marshall.ap/index.html)

Boy this will be an interesting decision should the Broncos not make the playoffs now. C'mon Chiefs! :)

[Abe Sargent]

Going to the Browns-Jags game tomorrow in Cleveland, yay fun

[Logan]

Going to the Browns-Jags game tomorrow in Cleveland, yay fun

Supposed to be strong winds. Derek Anderson might wish for the days of 2-17 for 23 yards.

[Dr. Sak]

DOLA

NFL to ask competition committee to look again at game, competitive balance - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4788472)

Not really sure how this gets enforced

Yeah how can you force some team to play its starters when they have everything locked up? I can see it now, if this would ever become a rule (it won't) and a key player gets hurt in one of these meaningless games, there would be organizations up in arms.

[JonInMiddleGA]

DOLA

NFL to ask competition committee to look again at game, competitive balance - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4788472)

Not really sure how this gets enforced

Not sure exactly how either, but it definitely needs to be addressed. The Colts did nothing short of throwing a game last week & since it had definite impact on the playoff possibilities of other teams, that's a pretty grave issue.

[molson]

What they can do is not expand the playoffs further (which would create more meaningless regular reason games). Though I'm resigned to the fact that they're going to do that soon anyway.

Nothing can be done though, about the Colts being too afraid to enter the playoffs undefeated.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Even if forced to dress and use players a minimum number of snaps, it would be a bunch of dive plays. Manning takes the snap, hands to Addai, 1 yard gain. Does this twice more. Punt.

Next series...three more of the same.

[bronconick]

If they do anything, I imagine it'll be some sort of fine that some organizations will cheerfully pay anyway.

[MacroGuru]

Blizzard like conditions here in Buffalo, I doubt you see the starters for the colts play more than a quarter.

[Thomkal]

Pains me to say this, but "Let's go Giants, beat those Vikings so my Cards still have a shot at the #2 seed!" :)

[JeeberD]

Pains me to say this, but "Let's go Giants, beat those Vikings so when the Cards lose and the Cowboys win the 'Boys still have a shot at the #2 seed!" :)

Fixed

[Thomkal]

You are such a homer Jeebs. ;)

[SirFozzie]

Oh shit, welker possibly injured (looks like a knee)

[jeff061]

Now I'm going to have to listen to jackasses and morons all offseason on how they should have sat Welker.

Wonderful.

[SirFozzie]

freak injury, that could happen in Practice, he was basically untouched when it occured (I'd say sprained knee, don't think it's ACL/MCL related)

I think you lose more in routine and edge in NOT playing your starters then you do in risking injury.

[jeff061]

That's the correct answer. But you know the Boston sports scene.

[DeToxRox]

I'd say the fact that Welker was crying for five minutes and then carted off means it probably is worse then a Sprain. These guys know when something is really wrong and I think this is really wrong.

[molson]

I don't think any significant number of people will really be pissed about him playing in the 1st quarter. This is the way Bellichick has done it since he's been here. And as Bellichik likes to point out - it's not like you have an unlimited roster, it's technically impossible to sit out all of your starters. Every team today is going to have their starters playing at least some of the game.

[jeff061]

Welker doesn't stay down, ever. I knew it was over after 10 seconds.

Let's see what Edelman does in the post season. He could shine or he could disappoint.

[DeToxRox]

I don't think any significant number of people will really be pissed about him playing in the 1st quarter. This is the way Bellichick has done it since he's been here. And as Bellichik likes to point out - it's not like you have an unlimited roster, it's technically impossible to sit out all of your starters.

I dunno how people can be pissed? This is no different then Week 1, 5 or 10. It's not like BB is defying logic and being a wildcard who is playing his guys when no one else does. Just bad luck.

[Dr. Sak]

If Bellichik convinced a guy to play after having a stroke, maybe he can convince Welker to play with a torn ACL.

[jeff061]

I dunno how people can be pissed? This is no different then Week 1, 5 or 10. It's not like BB is defying logic and being a wildcard who is playing his guys when no one else does. Just bad luck.

The story of the week was "who if anyone is going to play". Now I don't know if the general fan base cared or thought there was a chance they'd sit healthy starters, but the talking heads and columnists sure couldn't stop debating it.

[molson]

The story of the week was "who if anyone is going to play". Now I don't know if the general fan base cared or thought there was a chance they'd sit healthy starters, but the talking heads and columnists sure couldn't stop debating it.

There was zero chance that any starters would miss the entire game. That was never discussed, even by the talking heads.

Even taking the extreme far end of this philosophy (the Colts), Manning is going to play some today.

And the game's not even entirely meaningless - The Pats have hosted at least one AFC Championship game as a #3 seed. (As a remote a chance as that is)

[jeff061]

Well then we are listening to different people. Cause I'm not lying, I swear to god I listened to Massorotti and some idiot talk about it for over an hour on Thursday(I think). And Reiss's, Globe and Herald blogs had something on it every day for the last week.

Edit: and Massorotti started by saying they should all sit, but changed his mind. Idiot(I forget his name) firmly believed they should all rest because only injuries could derail them.

[molson]

Well then we are listening to different people. Cause I'm not lying, I swear to god I listened to Massorotti and some idiot talk about it for over an hour on Thursday(I think). And Reiss's, Globe and Herald blogs had something on it every day for the last week.

They were talking a lot about how long guys were going to play - but it would impossible for the Patriots to actually sit their entire starting lineup for the entire game even if they wanted to, the rosters aren't that big.

If someone was talking about sitting players for the whole game, idiot is the right word to use, because no team has ever done that, and I don't Bellichick as the guy starting a new trend in that area.

[Logan]

DOLA

NFL to ask competition committee to look again at game, competitive balance - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4788472)

Not really sure how this gets enforced

Mortensen said earlier today that they might use extra draft picks as an incentive to get teams to play their starters. I have no idea how that could possibly work, with the main sticking point being how you handle the shitty teams.

[SirFozzie]

New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has played the last several games with three broken ribs, CBS Sports reported Sunday.

Give Brady props for toughness

[Logan]

Bill Simmons has been saying that for weeks.

[DeToxRox]

Bill Simmons has been saying that for weeks.

You would read Bill Simmons.

[Logan]

You would read Bill Simmons.

Nah, podcasts. Once that shrilly voice comes on, your sister turns into a beast.

[SirFozzie]

Simmons has been saying that, but that was just from his view (admittedly, the fact that he had to wear the "flak vest" chest protector was pretty much a giveaway)

[Coffee Warlord]

It sounds eerily quiet in Detroit today. Not a lot of shots of the stands yet, wonder how many people are actually there.

[DeToxRox]

It sounds eerily quiet in Detroit today. Not a lot of shots of the stands yet, wonder how many people are actually there.

One less after that guy who ran on the field got ejected.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh, yeah. He wasn't even naked or anything, loser.

[DataKing]

Enough of that nonsense...let's talk about a game that matters.

Bears up 6-3 over the Lions. :D

[DeToxRox]

Heh, yeah. He wasn't even naked or anything, loser.

I was shocked Fox kept the camera on him, normally they just cut away. Maybe they wanted to prove people actually showed up?

This game is so fucking boring.

[Logan]

Simmons has been saying that, but that was just from his view (admittedly, the fact that he had to wear the "flak vest" chest protector was pretty much a giveaway)

Pretty sure he said he got it from someone within the Pats, but whatever.

[DeToxRox]

Pretty sure he said he got it from someone within the Pats, but whatever.

STFU RutgersAl.

If you don't read Rivals or any other Rutgers forums, disregard, though I suggest you start for that one reason.

[Coffee Warlord]

I was shocked Fox kept the camera on him, normally they just cut away. Maybe they wanted to prove people actually showed up?

This game is so fucking boring.

They just gave it away. Just saw a shot of the crowd, the good seats are packed, and about 40 or so rows up it was utterly empty.

[Logan]

I can't believe I just had a rutgersal crossover here. Really blew my mind.

I've met Al before. He's batshit insane in real life too and has the hairiest arms you'll ever see.

[DeToxRox]

I can't believe I just had a rutgersal crossover here. Really blew my mind.

I've met Al before. He's batshit insane in real life too and has the hairiest arms you'll ever see.

Oh God. I figured he wasn't just a troll, he had to be insane, glad this confirms it. His Youtube videos are awesome.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Woodley's just making a tackling dummy out of his old college QB.

[Lathum]

Pains me to say this, but "Let's go Giants, beat those Vikings so my Cards still have a shot at the #2 seed!" :)

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[Suburban Rhythm]

Mortensen said earlier today that they might use extra draft picks as an incentive to get teams to play their starters. I have no idea how that could possibly work, with the main sticking point being how you handle the shitty teams.

Godell was in the booth during Steelers-Dolphins and was asked about this, and he mentioned it as well regarding draft picks, but I sort of took it as teams being penalized, I guess similar to salary cap violations. Maybe I heard him wrong though.

[Logan]

Or Mort was wrong...for a change.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Godell was in the booth during Steelers-Dolphins and was asked about this, and he mentioned it as well regarding draft picks, but I sort of took it as teams being penalized, I guess similar to salary cap violations. Maybe I heard him wrong though.

Yeah, and when Manning or Brees is lost for the season because some guy trying to make a name for himself takes a cheap shot in week 17, what will Goodell do then?

[DeToxRox]

Yeah, and when Manning or Brees is lost for the season because some guy trying to make a name for himself takes a cheap shot in week 17, what will Goodell do then?

Goodell is going to solve Week 17's "play the backups or keep the starters in" debate by adding two more regular season games, so then it becomes Week 19's problem.

[jbergey22]

Football sucks when one team doesnt care. When the Giants decided to pack it in for the year they decided to do it in style.

The only game saving today is Eagles/Cowboys.

[Logan]

Yeah, and when Manning or Brees is lost for the season because some guy trying to make a name for himself takes a cheap shot in week 17, what will Goodell do then?

Probably suspend him for a number of games, just like he would do for any other week of the season where these guys can get hurt.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Goodell is going to solve Week 17's "play the backups or keep the starters in" debate by adding two more regular season games, so then it becomes Week 19's problem.

Another opportunity for the Lions to set a futility record? Sweet!

[Eaglesfan27]

Pat White looks like he just got knocked out.

[Radii]

I dunno why the Saints feel its totally ok to go into the playoffs on a 3 game losing streak, but its quite clear that is the case. Carolina has been playing well to be sure, but New Oreleans is just not trying at all today.

[molson]

Pat White looks like he just got knocked out.

Brutal...

These are the plays you have to remember when people whine about rules designed to protect players.

[Big Fo]

Henne was taken out of the game earlier due to some kind of eye injury. Next time Miami has the ball it will be Tyler Thigpen time.

[CU Tiger]

As far as the starters PT argument, could Peyton not take 1 snap, kneel down then leave the game rubbing his knee.
"He missed the 2nd half with a bruised knee, we hope he will be ready to go next week"

[MikeVic]

That Pat White hit looked brutal. Hope he's ok. Once someone here posted that story about White and the Vets, I became a fan of his.

[Front Office Midget]

So, with a Vikings win, the Packers definitely play the Cardinals next week... I'm pretty sure. Interesting. But they could be the 5th or 6th seed, depending how the game goes.

[cuervo72]

So uh, Thigpen's looking pretty good. :)

[SirFozzie]

Another game blown in the 4th on the road?

[MrDNA]

So uh, Thigpen's looking pretty good. :)

!!!

[Northwood_DK]

Ben losses the ball

[MikeVic]

Fucking Steelers.

[MrDNA]

Holy shit, this Miami game is insane!

[Northwood_DK]

What about Bens arm?

[cuervo72]

Ok, that pass not so good.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ben is going to play QB 1 handed? That arm doesn't look well at all.

[MikeVic]

Damn Texans are winning. :(

[DataKing]

OK now I'm pissed...instead of showing us (Chicago) a meaningful Eagles/Cowboys game, they're showing us the Packers/Cards game that means absolutely nothing!

Edit: Looks like its Ravens/Raiders for me.

[Northwood_DK]

OK now I'm pissed...instead of showing us (Chicago) a meaningful Eagles/Cowboys game, they're showing us the Packers/Cards game that means absolutely nothing!

Edit: Looks like its Ravens/Raiders for me.

Move to Denmark. We got both games :p

[Izulde]

Sucked to lose the Steelers game. :( But we had our chances.

[Thomkal]

Pains me to say this, but "Let's go Giants, beat those Vikings so my Cards still have a shot at the #2 seed!" :)

ah well it was a nice pipe dream while it lasted. Giants you suck. Now I'm not sure who to root for in the Dallas/Philly game as that will fix the Cards first playoff opponent.

[Logan]

This was posted on the footballguys.com fantasy board that I read:

Last week the Colts pulled their starters against the Jets saying the care more about the health of their players than winning the game and going 16-0 or 19-0.

But how do you explain this week when they play at Buffalo on a snow field they decide to play Manning, Wayne and Clark for the first 16 minutes so Clark can get 7 catches for 100 for the season and Wayne can get 5 catches for 100 for the season. They basically only threw to them. Most of the passes were dinks.

Basically, the Colts organization decided that MEANINGLESS personal stats are more important than playing to win the game (and the game was in front of their home fans).

[Thomkal]

So uh, Thigpen's looking pretty good. :)

well I was pretty excited to turn it over to the Miami/Pitt game and see Coastal Carolina's own Thigpen lead the Dolphins back in the fourth quarter. I didn't even think he was active for the game cause he's been inactive for all the other Dolphins game since he got traded. I wasn't so excited by the two INT's at the end which were pretty bad. :redface: But still, he showed he is capable of leading a team down the field, and I hope he still has a future somewhere in the NFL.

[Eaglesfan27]

Huge play by Asante and Hanson.

[cuervo72]

One heck of an ugly first Q though.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I can't believe I'm cheering for the damn Raiders. Ugh.

[Senator]

heh

[Karlifornia]

I can't believe I'm cheering for the damn Raiders. Ugh.

I hope you like bitterness and resentment.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I hope you like bitterness and resentment.
It's taken less than half a game for me to wonder how Oakland fans put up with this shit every year.

[MrDNA]

Joe Buck is annoying me even more than usual today. Every pass makes his voice jump up to school girl range.

[Logan]

It's taken less than half a game for me to wonder how Oakland fans put up with this shit every year.

By looking good in preseason?

[Hammer755]

I can't believe I'm cheering for the damn Raiders. Ugh.

You think you have it bad. I'm hoping that the Raiders and Chiefs win.

[SackAttack]

They just gave it away. Just saw a shot of the crowd, the good seats are packed, and about 40 or so rows up it was utterly empty.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100103/capt.e941b156576b4e16b776cb86fd85fad8.bears_lions_football_dtf110.jpg

Yep. Check out the second deck. There ARE people there, but the shocking thing is that some of them are several rows back from the overhang and apparently have no desire to come down.

[DataKing]

Well, there goes any chance the Raiders had at winning...Jabustus is coming in.

[DeToxRox]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100103/capt.e941b156576b4e16b776cb86fd85fad8.bears_lions_football_dtf110.jpg

Yep. Check out the second deck. There ARE people there, but the shocking thing is that some of them are several rows back from the overhang and apparently have no desire to come down.

They figured they were safer up there from the possibilities of one of the QB's hitting them in the head on a throw.

[Danny]

ESPN play by play for Oakland's previous drive.

1st and 10 at OAK 10 M.Bush up the middle to BLT 13 for 77 yards (K.Gregg).
2nd and 7 at OAK 13 J.Russell pass deep middle to C.Schilens to BLT 31 for 56 yards (D.Landry).
1st and 10 at OAK 31 M.Bush right tackle to BLT 36 for 33 yards (K.Gregg).
2nd and 5 at OAK 36 J.Russell pass short left to M.Bush to OAK 41 for 5 yards (D.Ellerbe).
3rd and 1 at OAK 40 M.Bush up the middle to OAK 38 for -2 yards (D.Landry, R.Lewis).
4th and 3 at OAK 38 S.Lechler punts 59 yards to BLT 3, Center-J.Condo. C.Carr to BLT 30 for 27 yards (J.Condo). PENALTY on BLT-E.Jones, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BLT 30.

[k0ruptr]

At least Carolina did the usual and finished the season off strong, Jstew looks really really good, that is an amazing backfield. I'm not sure there is a better one two punch in the NFL as far as RB's go.

[Danny]

If Dallas wins do they play Philly again next week?

[Danny]

At least Carolina did the usual and finished the season off strong, Jstew looks really really good, that is an amazing backfield. I'm not sure there is a better one two punch in the NFL as far as RB's go.

Chris Johnson and his grandma

[Dr. Sak]

Yep

[k0ruptr]

ESPN play by play for Oakland's previous drive.

1st and 10 at OAK 10 M.Bush up the middle to BLT 13 for 77 yards (K.Gregg).
2nd and 7 at OAK 13 J.Russell pass deep middle to C.Schilens to BLT 31 for 56 yards (D.Landry).
1st and 10 at OAK 31 M.Bush right tackle to BLT 36 for 33 yards (K.Gregg).
2nd and 5 at OAK 36 J.Russell pass short left to M.Bush to OAK 41 for 5 yards (D.Ellerbe).
3rd and 1 at OAK 40 M.Bush up the middle to OAK 38 for -2 yards (D.Landry, R.Lewis).
4th and 3 at OAK 38 S.Lechler punts 59 yards to BLT 3, Center-J.Condo. C.Carr to BLT 30 for 27 yards (J.Condo). PENALTY on BLT-E.Jones, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BLT 30.

wtf that makes no sense.

[k0ruptr]

Chris Johnson and his grandma

lol. although he is fucking amazingly good, and I laughed. it's still not true!

[Karlifornia]

The Broncos are unraveling. Isn't this the second year in a row they've crumbled late in the season? Two different coaches, two different QB's, same result. What is their biggest weakness?

[MikeVic]

I know Pumpy, I'm cheering for the Raiders, Chiefs, and freaking Bengals to win. This is bizarro world right now.

[cuervo72]

Bah, just pull McNabb out now in favor of next week and get Vick in there. Looking pretty pointless now.

[k0ruptr]

DeAngelo Williams - 5.2 ypc 1117 yards rushing 7 tds 29 catches 252 yards receiving.

Jonathon Stewart - 4.9 ypc 1008 yards rushing 9 tds 18 catches 139 yards receiving.

Although Chris Johnson has more receiving yards then them, and almost as much Rushing yards, and I would love to have him on my team. I think the RB by committee thing might really save your running backs legs, and extend their shelf life in the NFL. we'll see I guess.

edit: oops got JStew's rushing yards wrong, that didn't include todays stats. he has 1133 yards rushing and led the team!

here is a stat for ya! They became the first team mates since the AFL NFL merger to each rush for more then 1100 yards in a season. crazy.

[DeToxRox]

The Broncos are unraveling. Isn't this the second year in a row they've crumbled late in the season? Two different coaches, two different QB's, same result. What is their biggest weakness?

Kyle Orton is their QB, Josh McDaniels is a terrible play caller, their D has not been that good since that 6-0 start, Marshall is a nutjob, etc.

[MikeVic]

The Broncos are unraveling. Isn't this the second year in a row they've crumbled late in the season? Two different coaches, two different QB's, same result. What is their biggest weakness?

They don't have Pumpy Tudors as punter.

[Danny]

The Broncos are unraveling. Isn't this the second year in a row they've crumbled late in the season? Two different coaches, two different QB's, same result. What is their biggest weakness?

Gods way of throwing us Raider fans a bone of some kind.

[Eaglesfan27]

Bah, just pull McNabb out now in favor of next week and get Vick in there. Looking pretty pointless now.


I think they need to get something going for some momentum next week. This has been a complete disaster today. :(

[k0ruptr]

Since Drew Brees didn't play he set the NFL record for Completion % in a season, breaking Ken Anderson's record of 70.55% Brees had 70.6%.

[Dr. Sak]

I really think they should let McCoy be the feature back. With Westbrook back they have once again gone away from the running game.

[Dr. Sak]

RT @Adam_Schefter: Initial tests showed Patriots WR Wes Welker tore his ACL and MCL. He'll undergo more tests tomorrow to confirm.

[Danny]

Another note on Philly not playing McCOy, teams really do take too long to make the move from an older back to a younger one. Teams like the Browns and Chiefs would have been much better served by making the switch to Charles and Harrison long before they did.

[DeToxRox]

Ugh Chris Johnson had a 62 yard TD called back for holding. He's about 8 yards away in the 4th from 2000.

[Radii]

Having that long tD run called back sucked, but there it is a few plays later, 2000 yards for Chris Johnson!

[Danny]

I know damn, he might have had a shot at Dickerson if that TD stood.

[DeToxRox]

I know damn, he might have had a shot at Dickerson if that TD stood.

He woulda been 50 or so short, which is something he can get on any given run. Still, glad to see him get 2000.

Now Tennessee gets to reward him with a new deal, as he is set to make 500K next year.

[Karlifornia]

I feel sorry for this Brandon Carr CB for the Chiefs. His coverage has actually been pretty solid, but the Broncos keep making great plays and are continuing to make him look bad.

EDIT: Horrific grammar, couldn't take it

[Eaglesfan27]

I hate hearing Troy Aikman cover Cowboys games. I enjoy his analysis when he covers other teams.

[lynchjm24]

STFU RutgersAl.

If you don't read Rivals or any other Rutgers forums, disregard, though I suggest you start for that one reason.

You don't have to read Rutgers forums to get a health dose of RutgersAl. He is like the Johnny Appleseed of Rutgers, dropping Scarlet Knight info everywhere he goes.

[DeToxRox]

I don't read any Rutgers forums, but RutgersAl is kind enough to come to us... to tell us things like Rutgers was beating Cinci by 9 at the half yesterday. Hurray Rutgers.

Haha. He might be the best thing ever to come from the internet.

[Atocep]

STFU RutgersAl.

If you don't read Rivals or any other Rutgers forums, disregard, though I suggest you start for that one reason.

USC EAST!

[DeToxRox]

USC EAST!

Just one of many!

[DeToxRox]

259 yards for Jamal Charles. Wow.

[Danny]

Needs 297 for the record, has a shot.

[rowech]

Well...as a Bengals fan, if they win tonight they play the Texans. If they lose, they play the Jets. Is it wrong for me to want them to lose?

[markprior22]

Yeah...I hate hearing Joe Buck and Tim McCarver call Cubs games but I think Aikman is more than fair when calling Cowboys games.

[DataKing]

So do I have this right? We could potentially see three different playoff games next week with the same two teams facing off as this week? Packers/Cardinals, Cowboys/Eagles, and Bengals/Jets? Weird.

[Dr. Sak]

I agree about Aikman, he's probably my favorite color guy. But I hate when Joe Buck calls any Philadelphia sports team game.

[stevew]

Chris Johnson and his grandma

They should totally do a Chris Johnson Grandmama commercial.

[RendeR]

I just want to note that a few weeks back someone...SOMEONE made the point that neither Denver OR Pittsburgh would make the playoffs. I wonder who that might have been. OH YEAH, its was ME ;)

I got ground down like a redheaded stepchild for that rpediction. HAH thats all I have to say. HAH!



ok one more time


HAH!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Well, this season sucked for Chiefs fans, but it was fantastic to see them send the Bronco players home crying. Love it.

Oh, and I'm guessing that no one including myself will ever spell Jamaal Charles incorrectly again. Love seeing him knock Larry Johnson out of our franchise record book.

[k0ruptr]

I know if I had a vote for MVP it would go to Favre. I don't even know if the Vikings make the playoffs with Jackson or Rosenfels at QB, let alone the 2 seed.

but most likely it goes to Brees or Manning. I have no problem with that either. Just seeing what Favre did this year at his age was amazing. Everyone thought he would fail towards the end of the season, which he really didn't. He didn't have the greatest december, but it was still damn good, and still led them to the 2 seed.

crazy I used to hate hate hate Favre, but I think he was the most valuable this season.

[RendeR]

"Belichek decided on when to rest his starters using....a Ouija board..."


*cackles*

[Danny]

I know if I had a vote for MVP it would go to Favre. I don't even know if the Vikings make the playoffs with Jackson or Rosenfels at QB, let alone the 2 seed.


Vikings are still probably an 8 or 9 win team, Colts without Peyton Manning would be lucky to win 5 games.

[RendeR]

Well, this season sucked for Chiefs fans, but it was fantastic to see them send the Bronco players home crying. Love it.

Oh, and I'm guessing that no one including myself will ever spell Jamaal Charles incorrectly again. Love seeing him knock Larry Johnson out of our franchise record book.


I'm gonna gives the chiefs some credit at this point. Yes they sucked ass this season, but there is some real talent on that team. If they can get a few more pieces of the puizzle and the coaching staff gets a clue they could get good very quickly.

[RendeR]

Vikings are still probably an 8 or 9 win team, Colts without Peyton Manning would be lucky to win 5 games.


Colts without Peyton would be lucky to win A game this season. Without that QB that team is terrible.

[MrDNA]

Jamaal Charles is scary good. Where did this guy come from? He's a lot of fun to watch.

[kcchief19]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Vikings without Favre won 10 games last year. This year they won 12. So Brett Favre today is all of two games better than Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson. It's not like the Vikings were a 6-10 team that Favre has taken 15-1.

If you put Brett Favre on the Colts, that is probably not a playoff team.

[jbergey22]

Peyton Manning deserves the MVP every year.

[jbergey22]

Colts without Peyton would be lucky to win A game this season. Without that QB that team is terrible.

a game?

Even without Manning they are quite a bit better than the bottom tier teams. 7-9 wins Id guess.

The Colts do play some defense and they do have an offensive line capable of blocking.

[DaddyTorgo]

RT @Adam_Schefter: Initial tests showed Patriots WR Wes Welker tore his ACL and MCL. He'll undergo more tests tomorrow to confirm.

so much for going far in the playoffs. Fuck you Belichek!

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Fuck you Belichek!

Hm. You would have rested everyone this week? Should they practice or just watch tape?

[jbergey22]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Vikings without Favre won 10 games last year. This year they won 12. So Brett Favre today is all of two games better than Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson. It's not like the Vikings were a 6-10 team that Favre has taken 15-1.

If you put Brett Favre on the Colts, that is probably not a playoff team.

Who's calling the plays for the non-playoff colts? Childress?

Unless it was Childress calling the plays I feel very confident Favre could lead the Manningless Colts to the playoffs.

With that said I do think Manning is the MVP.

[Senator]

I hate hearing Troy Aikman cover Cowboys games. I enjoy his analysis when he covers other teams.

Everything is crummy when you are sure you are going to win, and don't.

[k0ruptr]

yikes. I tried to make my mvp post as non biased and controversial as I could. lol. that worked ;) I just think it was amazing what he did at the age of 40, and I was saying this year, I said nothing about last year. yea they won 10 games last year, but I don't think they would of won 10 games without him this year, imo. yea they improved by 2 games, but no one will ever really know if Favre is only 2 games better, but if there was some way we could prove it, I'd bet on more than 2.

[Thomkal]

Boy this will be an interesting decision should the Broncos not make the playoffs now. C'mon Chiefs! :)

Yay Chiefs! :D Glad the Broncos didn't make the playoffs-first the whole fiasco with Cutler, then all the stuff this week with Marshall and the TE who's name I can't spell-right when you need your team unified the most. Rookie head coach definitely looking like a rookie there, and glad he wasn't rewarded for it.

[duckman]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/trueblue_082609_240x250.jpg

[k0ruptr]

I also think you put Brett Favre on the Colts with those receivers?!? Brett is in heaven! he has a great core in Minn, but its also a great core in Indy. Wayne, collie, Garcon are pretty damn solid. Not to mention Gonzalez if he didn't get hurt.

[molson]

so much for going far in the playoffs. Fuck you Belichek!

I guess I stand corrected about Boston fans not being pissed about this.

It happened on the FIRST possession. Who sits out their starters for the entire game? Even Jim Caldwell didn't do that.

[FrogMan]

so much for going far in the playoffs. Fuck you Belichek!


wtf man, the guy hurt himself making a damn cut that could have happened in practice. Of all injuries, that one was the one that other than sitting the whole damn team out could not be avoided...

I'm as pissed as any Pats fan right now, but seriously BB isn't to be blamed on that one...

FM

edit: to add I'm pissed about him being injured, Welker is one of my favorite Pats, but nobody's to blame for it.

[k0ruptr]

Another great stat:

Out of all starting RBs Who had the best yards per catch (not carry)?

Adrian Peterson :) mostly only known for his running, he really really improved his receiving out of the backfield this season.

[Logan]

USC EAST!

Me and detox have been PMing about him and I told him he needed to track down that post.

It's amazing how fans of all programs know the dude.

[Danny]

I also think you put Brett Favre on the Colts with those receivers?!? Brett is in heaven! he has a great core in Minn, but its also a great core in Indy. Wayne, collie, Garcon are pretty damn solid. Not to mention Gonzalez if he didn't get hurt.

Manning makes his receivers look better then they are. There's a reason it doesn't matter when someone gets hurt and a replacement comes in. Wayne is the exception, he is very good.

[DeToxRox]

Me and detox have been PMing about him and I told him he needed to track down that post.

It's amazing how fans of all programs know the dude.

Here is the post I was looking for, and since there is a huge Al following, I don't care if it's out of place here:



We're Harvard Monday - Friday and USC on Weekends. Some of our more prominent alumni

include David Stern, commissioner of the NBA, Calista Flockhart, James Gandolfini.



Let me share with you, some reasons why I think Rutgers is the slam dunk candidate

for Big X Membership.



* World Class Academics combined with a strong football program



Like PSU, we have a serious commitment to academics while maintaining a strong

football program. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of components of our

football program were duly influenced by Coach Schiano's experience at PSU.

I think Coach sees JoePa as one of his most important mentors, along with Butch

Davis.



Thanks to his mentorship under those two great coaches, Coach S. has been able

to build a model football program.



This past year, our football team was either top 5 or top 3 in APR.

Yet we have sent our share of players to the draft. Ray Rice the running back for the Ravens

is probably our most successful recent alumnus, in terms of production. But Gary Brackett,

linebacker and defensive captain for the Colts and Shawn O'Hara the leader of the Giants

offensive line have grabbed super bowl rings in recent years. I'm proud of the fact that they

are among the most articulate players in the NFL. When I met Ray, when he was a freshman,

at our football banquet, he was extremely shy and reserved. Now, he's like Mr. Personality,

coming across as confident and amiable.



Their success shows that we are not only developing great gridiron warriors, but also the leaders of tomorrow. Motorola a while ago named alumnus Greg Brown, Co CEO, and this fall, he made a very significant

donation, which helped us to build our recruiting lounge in the southern endzone of the stadium.



For now, our players graduate and we send our share to the draft. In due course, there's no doubt in my mind, that we'll eventually be putting National Championship trophies in our trophy case.



In fact, I have Rutgers ranked #1 going into 2010, as we're going to be more loaded than Fort Knox.

This year was a learning season, where our true freshmen got their feet wet. Our qb Tom Savage, had his ups and downs, but seemed to improve as the season wore on. He should be much better next season, thx to experience. Someday, he will be some NFL teams franchise quarterback. He is complemented by Mohamed Sanu, who figures to be a Heisman trophy candidate by his senior year.



* World Class Facilities

I've seen facilities at Miami, having gone to graduate school there, Virginia Tech, and Florida, and pictures
of facilities at other schools and based on my experiences, I feel our S&C facilities are up there with the best. They were designed by our S&C Coach, S&C Coach of the year in 2007, who studied Mechanical Engineering at Bucknell. They were built with an empasis on efficiency so that players could get the most from their workouts. For me, our S&C room is like Star Wars, as advanced technology is used to help
our players maximize their time.

Our football stadium was rebuilt from the ground up in 1994, and this past year, expansion led to its current capacity of around 53K. The stadium can scale to around 80K., and is one of the most exciting
venues to be in for a football game. I'm sure if significant modifications were made, we could get
to 100K for Rutgers Stadium.

The living and dining facilities that football players use on the Busch Campus are among the finest
in the world. Actually, the players have a training table, but i'm not sure if everyone uses it, or just some.



* Coaching Stability

Coach Schiano has been at Rutgers for close to 10 years now, and I am unable to fathom him leaving
because the Rutgers Coaching job is simply the best job in the world.
-Most of the talent he recruits is within a three hour drive
-Gets to travel by helicopter at times
-Has a generous salary
-Has all the perks that supestar coaches get
-Has his dream home which he had built provided to him by the University
-Has all the support of the athletic director, univesity president, and the present governor of the state of NJ
-fanbase has reasonable expectations
* Proximity to Big Ten Alumni
-Many Big Ten alumns work in New York City so playing at Rutgers would give Big Ten Schools additional
opportunities to reach out to their NYC alumni

* Large Alumni Base
-Our alumni base is closing in on 400K, and for many years, has been dormant, but thats starting to change with football success.
* Proximity to NYC
the most exciting city in the world, is but a 40 minute train ride from Rutgers
* Excellent NYC TV ratings
Rutgers has the highest NYC ESPN TV rating, achieved in 2006 against Louisville
* NJ recruiting exposure
Lots of underrated football talent in NJ. don bosco hs was recently named the #1
football program in the nation after St. Thomas Aquinas of south florida lost
* Land Grant institution just like most of the big 10 schools
* Top notch research
Antibiotics such as penicillin were discovered by Dr. Waxman. There have
also been more recent innovations, but I can't remember what they are.
Rutgers would add much to the already strong Big X research consortium
* Growing fanbase
Season ticket sales have grown around 15%, since 2004, compounded annually
Given these growth rates, Demand for Rutgers tickets should be around 100K by 2025
* Rutgers/PSU Rivalry > OSU/Michigan Rivalry
Previously when our teams played it wasn't a rivalry, it was more like a slaughter, as our
administration wasn't serious about fielding a top notch football team. Over the past five
years, they've demonstrated their commitment to fielding a world class football team,
spending upwards of $150 million on faciltiies, support, etc. The President of our school
is as big a football fan as any of us, and he understands the value that a good college football
program can bring to the university.
* Big X would have another team that could beat USC and the SEC
Recruiting NY/NJ/MD/Pa/Ct/DE/Va/Sc/FL has allowed Rutgers to improve on its talent base year after year.

These characteristics generally typify Rutgers players: They're personable, they're motivated, they're strong, and they can run. That why in 2010, we'll have a team that can beat USC. Our team speed will be second to none. I only hope our level of execution is at the same level as well.



Well those are the reasons, I came up with. I'm sure there are more. I'm looking forward to our Big X invite and tailgating with y'all someday.



Have a Happy Holidays.

[jbergey22]

yikes. I tried to make my mvp post as non biased and controversial as I could. lol. that worked ;) I just think it was amazing what he did at the age of 40, and I was saying this year, I said nothing about last year. yea they won 10 games last year, but I don't think they would of won 10 games without him this year, imo. yea they improved by 2 games, but no one will ever really know if Favre is only 2 games better, but if there was some way we could prove it, I'd bet on more than 2.

Yeah it really is hard to know. Last year they could run the ball and were very good at it with a below average QB.

Why having Favre(other than the loss of Birk) would make them so much worse on the offensive line is a hard one to figure out.

All things being equal(not being able to run ball like last year) I agree that the Vikings were a 6-7 win team this year w/o Favre.

[Galaril]

He woulda been 50 or so short, which is something he can get on any given run. Still, glad to see him get 2000.

Now Tennessee gets to reward him with a new deal, as he is set to make 500K next year.

Yeah good for Johnson and the nay sayers when he was drafted from wherever?
I never imagined he would be this good. I just hope Fisher don't pulla fucking Bum Phillips and burn the kid out like Bum did with the "Tyler Rose" back in the late 70s early 80s. Also, Fisher should send a thank card to both Johnson and Vince Young for just about seemingly saving his job. That is not to say he doesn't resign after the owner making him out Young in after starting 0-6.

[Radii]

I would give my MVP vote to Manning but really this year I think it could go to Manning, Favre, Brees, Rivers, or Chris Johnson and I would not complain.

[lynchjm24]

Yesterday in the Papa John's bowl when they called South Carolina the USC of the East I figured Al died a little bit.

For someone to stay in character as long and as well as he does is amazing. The videos he posted of himself just walking around looking at the remodeled stadium are gold.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hm. You would have rested everyone this week? Should they practice or just watch tape?

nah...i mean it's a freak injury and it happens. just sucks that it happens in a meaningless game and that frustrates me as a fan.

[JPhillips]

If they weren't going to bother to show up the Bengals should have rested the starters.

[JetsIn06]

I <3 Brad Smith.

[Eaglesfan27]

Everything is crummy when you are sure you are going to win, and don't.

So true. :(

To top it off, my wife's mother fell and shattered her arm tonight. My wife is hanging out with her at hospital and will be there tomorrow when they operate, thus spoiling (or at least delaying her birthday plans for me tomorrow.)


Edit: Even though we never formalized our bet, if you are ever in town (New Orleans or Baton Rouge) and want to go out to dinner, I'd be glad to treat you to a good meal.

[tarcone]

I cant believe how these "professional" teams and players are just rolling over today.

[Radii]

So barring an epic collapse in the 2nd half, three of the four games next week will be rematches, jets/bengals, cowboys/eagles, and green bay/arizona. In all three cases, again assuming no changes in the 2nd half,all three games today were dominating blowouts.

Thoughts as to how that impacts the matchups next week? Will Philly and Arizona be more likely to win than usual due to an added desire to erase their week 17 embarrassments?

[Lathum]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/trueblue_082609_240x250.jpg

lol.

so this is what things have come to for Cowboy fans?

[jbergey22]

Id say the Cowboys are at the biggest disadvantage because winning 3 times in a season against the same team is so difficult.

The Cards didnt show a whole lot today so they should battle the Packers to a good one.

It appears the Bengals dont even feel like being on the field right now while the Jets are just physically dominating them. Id give the Jets the advantage in this one next week.

[JetsIn06]

Nice.

7 total yards for Cincy in the 1st half. 0 passing yards.

[Senator]

So true. :(

To top it off, my wife's mother fell and shattered her arm tonight. My wife is hanging out with her at hospital and will be there tomorrow when they operate, thus spoiling (or at least delaying her birthday plans for me tomorrow.)


Edit: Even though we never formalized our bet, if you are ever in town (New Orleans or Baton Rouge) and want to go out to dinner, I'd be glad to treat you to a good meal.

Good enough. We can double or nothing this next week. Pretty sure we will see a different Philly team.

Sorry to hear about the accident. Talk about a crummy day.

[Senator]

lol.

so this is what things have come to for Cowboy fans?

You mean marketers, correct?

[tucker rocky]

ESPN play by play for Oakland's previous drive.

1st and 10 at OAK 10 M.Bush up the middle to BLT 13 for 77 yards (K.Gregg).
2nd and 7 at OAK 13 J.Russell pass deep middle to C.Schilens to BLT 31 for 56 yards (D.Landry).
1st and 10 at OAK 31 M.Bush right tackle to BLT 36 for 33 yards (K.Gregg).
2nd and 5 at OAK 36 J.Russell pass short left to M.Bush to OAK 41 for 5 yards (D.Ellerbe).
3rd and 1 at OAK 40 M.Bush up the middle to OAK 38 for -2 yards (D.Landry, R.Lewis).
4th and 3 at OAK 38 S.Lechler punts 59 yards to BLT 3, Center-J.Condo. C.Carr to BLT 30 for 27 yards (J.Condo). PENALTY on BLT-E.Jones, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BLT 30.

wtf that makes no sense.

It's the Jamarcus Russell factor.

[larrymcg421]

Id say the Cowboys are at the biggest disadvantage because winning 3 times in a season against the same team is so difficult.


Teams that have won twice in the regular season are 11-7 when facing that same opponent in the postseason.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/010708dnsponfl3wins.19ede6b.html

[JonInMiddleGA]

How are stats like the ones I'm seeing nearly midway through the 3rd qtr in the Bengals-Jets game even possible?

9 yards total offense?
1 first down, and that was by penalty?
And with Palmer, Coles, Ocho, etc. all playing?
WTF? Are they kneeling on every other snap?

[Dr. Sak]

Teams that have won twice in the regular season are 11-7 when facing that same opponent in the postseason.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/010708dnsponfl3wins.19ede6b.html

The Steelers did it last year against Baltimore.

[cuervo72]

I hate hearing Troy Aikman cover Cowboys games. I enjoy his analysis when he covers other teams.

Both Aikman and Johnston. At least Jay Novacek doesn't do games.

(re: Things being crappy when you expect to win. This is why I've learned to never expect to win. Thought that came with rooting for Philly teams.)

[jbergey22]

Teams that have won twice in the regular season are 11-7 when facing that same opponent in the postseason.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/010708dnsponfl3wins.19ede6b.html

Haha. I stand corrected.

Must be one of them bogus stories the "experts" say just to keep things interesting.

[tucker rocky]

Make it happen Bungles. :D

[lungs]

A pattern has emerged which means with absolute certainty that the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

Two of the three premier franchises in major American sports have already won championships (Lakers and Yankees).

Kobe winning without Shaq for the Lakers and Yankees winning with ARod being so unclutch for so long. Cowboys will win with Tony Romo becoming a December/January clutch QB superstar performer and Wade Phillips being a playoff coaching mastermind.

The stars are aligned and there is nothing the sporting world can do to stop this trifecta from occuring. Not even Brett Favre.

[tucker rocky]

GB/Arz, Philly/Dallas, NYJ/Cincy, all meet again for the real showdown next week.

[digamma]

Have they announced which days the Saints and Vikings will play in the divisional round? We have some travel plans on Saturday the 16th and my MSP native wife is fretting about not being able to see the Vikings. I can't seem to find anything but blank brackets with the Jan 16/17 date on various sites.

[larrymcg421]

A pattern has emerged which means with absolute certainty that the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

Two of the three premier franchises in major American sports have already won championships (Lakers and Yankees).

Kobe winning without Shaq for the Lakers and Yankees winning with ARod being so unclutch for so long. Cowboys will win with Tony Romo becoming a December/January clutch QB superstar performer and Wade Phillips being a playoff coaching mastermind.

The stars are aligned and there is nothing the sporting world can do to stop this trifecta from occuring. Not even Brett Favre.

The Tony Romo thread will be the best thread ever if this happens.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Pretty crazy that three of the four matchups next weekend are going to be between teams that played this weekend. That's gotta be a first, right?

[tucker rocky]

A pattern has emerged which means with absolute certainty that the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

Two of the three premier franchises in major American sports have already won championships (Lakers and Yankees).

Kobe winning without Shaq for the Lakers and Yankees winning with ARod being so unclutch for so long. Cowboys will win with Tony Romo becoming a December/January clutch QB superstar performer and Wade Phillips being a playoff coaching mastermind.

The stars are aligned and there is nothing the sporting world can do to stop this trifecta from occuring. Not even Brett Favre.

Indy vs Minn.

[tucker rocky]

Pretty crazy that three of the four matchups next weekend are going to be between teams that played this weekend. That's gotta be a first, right?

Can't recall this happening either.

[lungs]

The Tony Romo thread will be the best thread ever if this happens.

A thread on FOFC talking about how ARod and Tony Romo can't come through in the clutch only to see them both lead their teams to championships months later.... :)

[jbergey22]

Have they announced which days the Saints and Vikings will play in the divisional round? We have some travel plans on Saturday the 16th and my MSP native wife is fretting about not being able to see the Vikings. I can't seem to find anything but blank brackets with the Jan 16/17 date on various sites.

Im guessing since the Vikings will be playing the Eagles/Cowboys that will be the Sunday game as the TV ratings will be higher.

New Orleans vs Green Bay/Arizona wont have near the national exposure. Purely speculation though.

Of course I have no data to backup that the Sunday games have better ratings. Even though Ive always thought that is how it is set up.

My guess is Pats/Ravens vs Colts and Eagles/Cowboys vs Vikings on Sunday. Jets/Bengals vs Chargers and Cardinals/Packers vs New Orleans on Saturday.

[Atocep]

We also had the Lebron isn't clutch thread the season he ended up taking the Cavs to the finals.

[digamma]

Im guessing since the Vikings will be playing the Eagles/Cowboys that will be the Sunday game as the TV ratings will be higher.

New Orleans vs Green Bay/Arizona wont have near the national exposure. Purely speculation though.

Of course I have no data to backup that the Sunday game has better ratings.

Doesn't the NFL still half re-seed after the Wildcard round so that the #1 seed always plays the lower seeded team? So, it could be Vikings-Cards, if the Cards win and the Eagles win on the road? Only thing you can't have is Vikings-Packers.

[jbergey22]

Doesn't the NFL still half re-seed after the Wildcard round so that the #1 seed always plays the lower seeded team? So, it could be Vikings-Cards, if the Cards win and the Eagles win on the road? Only thing you can't have is Vikings-Packers.

I dont think being in the same division matters anymore. The re-seeding should there be an upset I am not sure though.

[henry296]

Definitely re-seed after wild card weekend with no division restrictions. If Eagles and Green Bay both win then you will have Min-GB in the divisional round.

[jbergey22]

Definitely re-seed after wild card weekend with no division restrictions. If Eagles and Green Bay both win then you will have Min-GB in the divisional round.

Hmm, well that messes up what we are trying to figure out. Seems certain that any matchup with the Eagles/Cowboys and Vikings would be a priority timeslot game however if the Eagles go to New Orleans that might trump the Vikings game against Packers/for sure Cards.

[digamma]

Definitely re-seed after wild card weekend with no division restrictions. If Eagles and Green Bay both win then you will have Min-GB in the divisional round.

Yup, you're right. For some reason, I was thinking Arizona was the #3. So, the Eagles (as the 6) are the only team that can't match up with the Vikings.

[EagleFan]

GB/Arz, Philly/Dallas, NYJ/Cincy, all meet again for the real showdown next week.

That has to be a 1st, and 2 of the games are exactly the same as they are in the same location.

[EagleFan]

dola: This week sucked!!!!!! Going from a possible 2 seed with at least one home game to the number 6 seed is unreal.... :(

[tucker rocky]

dola: This week sucked!!!!!! Going from a possible 2 seed with at least one home game to the number 6 seed is unreal.... :(

Hopefully the real Eagles will show up next week,
and Romo will make his usual exit stage left.

[Senator]

repeat comments from last week...

[JeeberD]

and Romo will make his usual exit stage left.

Seems like I've been hearing that the past three weeks...

[SackAttack]

Hmm, well that messes up what we are trying to figure out. Seems certain that any matchup with the Eagles/Cowboys and Vikings would be a priority timeslot game however if the Eagles go to New Orleans that might trump the Vikings game against Packers/for sure Cards.

I have to think that if the schedule is based on potential ratings, and IF the Packers and Vikings played in the divisional round, that it would end up getting priority over Eagles/Saints.

I mean, just remembering how ESPN was slobbering over the first two matchups, you gotta think whoever is televising the NFC playoffs would drown in a puddle of drool over a MIN/GB matchup (although they might prefer it in an NFC title game with a trip to Miami on the line).

[Thomkal]

And Jim Zorn has been fired already. Shocking!

[Rizon]

And Jim Zorn has been fired already. Shocking!

In other surprising news: Lance Bass is gay.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

[DaddyTorgo]

Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

If it was me I would have said: "4am? Is this meeting to terminate me? If so, we can just go ahead and skip the meeting."

[gstelmack]

Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan.

The Philly / Dallas game is a very different kettle of fish, since Philly had a shot at the #2 seed and tanked it. I can't believe they held back and risked a road game and the #6 seed.

[Butter]

As a Bengal fan, I am pretty pleased to even get in the playoffs at all. I can't be too upset about the game last night... and frankly after thinking it over, I would much rather play the Jets than the Ravens at this point. Despite the Jets apparent "dismantling" of the Bengals, next week will be a much different atmosphere. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Jets win it considering that the Bengals have been struggling through the last half of the season. But Bengal fans should be a lot happier than they are too, instead of dwelling on last night's debacle.

[jbergey22]

Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan.

The Philly / Dallas game is a very different kettle of fish, since Philly had a shot at the #2 seed and tanked it. I can't believe they held back and risked a road game and the #6 seed.

They may have had a vanilla gameplan but did they ever look uncomfortable in that cold weather. It's one thing to not want to give anything away its another thing to be completely torn apart and physically dominated like the Jets did to them in that first half.

[Thomkal]

Zorn was fired at a 4am meeting? Damn! at least let a guy sleep in a bit...

yeah just another ridiculous moment in the whole fiasco really. Snyder should have just fired him after the Detroit game. Instead the whole situation just became a bigger and bigger joke and embarassment for the organization.

[panerd]

Since the Bengals were pretty much locked in on who they'd play, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a very different result next weekend from that game. Jets had to play hard just to get in, but the Bengals wouldn't want to give much away and so likely played a pretty vanilla gameplan.
.

Believe me I am a huge Cinci fan and hope they blow out the Jets but I am not sure I have seen anything but a vanilla gameplan from them the whole season. I do think that a lot of the dropped balls were from recievers that didn't want to get hit and the defense wasn't exactly breaking a sweat trying to stop them either (especially after NY was up 17 and it was obvious this one was going to be replayed next weekend)

Why does Brad Smith (one of my Mizzou guys) have to have his breakout NFL game against my Bengals? Couldn't this have happened earlier in the season or next? Heres to hoping the Bengals shut Smith down and put the game in Sanchez's hands.

[Eaglesfan27]

Bills just fired their entire coaching staff.

[Lathum]

Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough.

Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

[DaddyTorgo]

Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough.

Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

seriously. i'd have a "no meeting with or communication from ownership group before 8am" put into my contract.

[jbergey22]

Reports saying Bill Sheridan will be fired, not soon enough.

Also, calling your lame duck coach to a 4 AM meeting to fire him is a great way to advertise to potential replacements how you treat people.

Is Tom Coughlin safe? I havent heard much about him. The way they ended the past 2 season hasnt been real impressive and the fact that he was in a world of trouble before they made the SB run makes me wonder if they might want to go another direction.

Far too much talent to be and 8-8 team. Ending the way they did makes me wonder if his time hasnt run its course.

[Lathum]

All accounts are that he is safe and Sheridan is the fall guy. I think they give him one more year based on the Plax thing last year and a ton of injuries this year.

[Lathum]

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

[Logan]

At least the Redskins fired him after a flight home, unlike when the Mets fired Willie Randolph at 2am after making him fly out to Cali.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

seriously??

i thought cable was like...maybe one of their bright spots. team actually won a few games this year too. i guess this goes to show that Al Davis expects his coaches to be able to overcome his insane meddling in personnel matters.

i wonder who's insane enough to take that job at this point.

[jbergey22]

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

+1.

Just another spineless move by a man that cant accept he is the one that brought this franchise down.

[DaddyTorgo]

worrisome - Brady's completion percentage with Welker in the lineup is more than 11 points higher this season (68) than it is without him (56.3).

Also, if he's got an ACL/MCL tear you can pretty much rule him out for most if not all of next year too. 6-12 months recovery time.

[Jughead Spock]

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.

Thus, why Davis had to fire him.

As for the 4am thing, yeah, kinda sucks, but was probably a case where Zorn was usually in at 4:30, even off-season. NFL Coaches are crazy.

[DataKing]

Bills just fired their entire coaching staff.

Bobby April's name just got added to a lot of peoples' short lists for staff positions.

[Mustang]

As for the 4am thing, yeah, kinda sucks, but was probably a case where Zorn was usually in at 4:30, even off-season. NFL Coaches are crazy.

Washington played in SD. I'm sure by the time they cleaned up, did post game stuff, got on a plane and flew home it was probably 2 in the morning. I'm sure they walked off the bus, took him in the office and fired him which is far better than telling him to go home and be back at 9:00 AM to be fired.

[Lathum]

Washington played in SD. I'm sure by the time they cleaned up, did post game stuff, got on a plane and flew home it was probably 2 in the morning. I'm sure they walked off the bus, took him in the office and fired him which is far better than telling him to go home and be back at 9:00 AM to be fired.

good point.

[JediKooter]

Welker is a pussy if he doesn't play in the playoffs. I mean this is the playoffs, you need to tough it out for the team and do whatever you can to help win.

[Samdari]

Welker is a pussy if he doesn't play in the playoffs. I mean this is the playoffs, you need to tough it out for the team and do whatever you can to help win.

One would assume the crutches and immobilized knee would make his cuts less crisp.

[DataKing]

One would assume the crutches and immobilized knee would make his cuts less crisp.

He could catch a bubble screen and fall forward for 2 yards.

[Kodos]

Despite being a Patriot, Welker is one of my favorite players. Sad to see him go down like that.

[RainMaker]

wow, just saw on ESPN Davis is going to fire Cable. Really? Seemed to me he actually did a good job and could be a decent coach with a competent person making personnel decisions.
That's crazy. Put a decent QB on that team and I actually think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

[Chubby]

That's crazy. Put a decent QB on that team and I actually think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

minus that whole punching another coach... and his exwife thing...

[bronconick]

That's crazy. Put a decent QB on that team and I actually think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

I believe that's exactly what Cable said,

Tom Cable: JaMarcus Russell Kept Us Out of the Playoffs -- NFL FanHouse (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/12/29/tom-cable-jamarcus-russell-kept-us-out-of-the-playoffs/)

which is why Davis will probably fire him. Davis has some weird torrid love obsession with Russell because he can throw a ball 900 yards from his back, ignoring the detail that one is usually down at that point.

[RainMaker]

If it was about the punching his assistant, he would have been fired earlier. I think this is over trashing Russell and giving up on him.