Lost Season 6 - The Final Season

[spleen1015]

Is anyone else still watching this show?

While Season 5 didn't excite me quite like past seasons, I am looking forward to seeing what's up in Season 6 after the Season 5 finale.

[DataKing]

I'll be watching. Got hooked early in Season 2 and I've been following ever since.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I'm still watching the show with baited breath. It may not be the popular culture sensation it was but it hasn't diminished in quality to me at all.

[Lathum]

I think the show really lost its way in the middle, but season 5 got me back in and I am excited for the final season. One thing that helped me get back into it was I watched season 5 on DVD in about a week, much easier to follow that way.

[EVEN8184]

I watched the stream from Hawaii that showed the first part of tomorrow's episode and it was pretty awesome. Really looking forward to this season.

[timmynausea]

I think it went way downhill after season 1. It worked its way back up over the last couple seasons, but I'm nowhere near as excited for the final season as I was heading into the 2nd season. It's still one of the better shows on TV, but unless the final season blows me away, I will always remember the series for a 1st season that completely captured my imagination and subsequent seasons that failed to pay off on that setup.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am totally still watching this show. It's one of the few shows I actually still watch. And the only hour-long show I watch at all anymore.

I really liked Season 5. I thought the series lost (no pun intended) its way in Season 3, about halfway through, to the point where I actually stopped watching it. It came back around and the last 1/4 of Season 3 was great and I don't think the show has really fallen off since.

The best thing that happened to the show was when it was given a definitive "end date". That gave the writers boundaries within which they had to work. It really tightened things up considerably.

[spleen1015]

The best thing that happened to the show was when it was given a definitive "end date". That gave the writers boundaries within which they had to work. It really tightened things up considerably.

Agreed. A definitive end date means they can focus on the real story and leave out the fluff, ie Mikki and Paulo.

[JS19]

I stopped watching after season 4, didn't catch this past season at all. I feel like I have too much invested in this show not to watch this season, just hoping I can keep up after missing season 5.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Agreed. A definitive end date means they can focus on the real story and leave out the fluff, ie Mikki and Paulo.

Those were some of the episodes I skipped. I am aware of Mikki and Paulo, but have no idea about what their story was, who they were exactly, or what happened to them (nor do I care).

[spleen1015]

I think you want to watch Season 5 first, but that's just me. You can watch them in a week then see the premiere.

All of the episodes are online at abc.com.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I stopped watching after season 4, didn't catch this past season at all. I feel like I have too much invested in this show not to watch this season, just hoping I can keep up after missing season 5.

It will be hard. Not only did a LOT happen, but a LOT of it was pretty weird. Not bad weird, just quite different.

[Samdari]

Nikki was hot.

[JS19]

It will be hard. Not only did a LOT happen, but a LOT of it was pretty weird. Not bad weird, just quite different.

Dammit! That's not what I wanted to hear. Suppose I'll go rent season 5 and catch up.

[spleen1015]

Those were some of the episodes I skipped. I am aware of Mikki and Paulo, but have no idea about what their story was, who they were exactly, or what happened to them (nor do I care).

Typo on my part, should be Nikki.

You didn't really miss much. They tried an idea, it sucked, the buried it alive.

[Alan T]

I liked the Nikki and Paulo episode. I thought it was good to have a break away episode so the entire show wasn't just all the same characters over and over at the time. Of course I've entirely liked the entire series and didn't feel any let down at any point along the way.

perhaps the difference is that I didn't actually start watching Lost until right before season 5 started. I literally watched all of season 1 through 4 pretty quickly after each other. So I didn't have to wait a week for a new episode, I got to see the next one immediately. That helped any problems with a let down episode and also made the ones like Nikki and Paulo pretty good breaks.

[Swaggs]

I am totally still watching this show. It's one of the few shows I actually still watch. And the only hour-long show I watch at all anymore.

I really liked Season 5. I thought the series lost (no pun intended) its way in Season 3, about halfway through, to the point where I actually stopped watching it. It came back around and the last 1/4 of Season 3 was great and I don't think the show has really fallen off since.

The best thing that happened to the show was when it was given a definitive "end date". That gave the writers boundaries within which they had to work. It really tightened things up considerably.

This is as well said as I could have done. I think there was a letdown and drop off during seasons 2 and part of 3, but it has been pretty excellent television since the latter half of season 3.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the series resolves itself and hoping to get to see most of the characters, including some that we haven't seen in awhile, get some type of closure.

[Thomkal]

Been watching since Episode 1. I hope they can pull it off and make Season 5 the best of the bunch, but I have my doubts. I want to get definite answers on what the island is and see people either make it off the island once and for all, or have a good reason not to make it off. I don't want to see already established plot points rewritten just so they can finish off the show. And hey, how about we see people like Claire again before its all over?

[lordscarlet]

Definitely still watching. I can't wait to see what happens in the final season -- they better not end it lame. :)

[JetsIn06]

I liked the Nikki and Paulo episode. I thought it was good to have a break away episode so the entire show wasn't just all the same characters over and over at the time. Of course I've entirely liked the entire series and didn't feel any let down at any point along the way.


I feel you on this. I think the episode was cool and broke things up, but waiting for a whole week to see a new episode and getting one like that kind of threw me off.

Watching online or on DVD where you can knock a few episodes off at a time and then watch more the next day makes episodes like that SO much more tolerable.

[JetsIn06]

dola

Lost has been my favorite show since I first started watching when season one came out on DVD. Don't think it's lost its luster at all. Super excited for the final season!

[Draft Dodger]

I'm skipping the Avs game tomorrow to watch it. Still a big fan. Not quite the show I thought it would be when I got hooked, but still the best one on TV IMO

[spleen1015]

Talking about tonight's premiere with co-workers, I think I may have figured out why Season 5 was a let down for me. I read all of the spoiler sites and knew what was coming.

I did make it a point this year to avoid all of the spoilers, so I think this is going to be a good season.

[Poli]

I'll be watching...love the show. Gonna hate to see it go.

[CleBrownsfan]

Without giving any spoilers away do you guys think Julia detonated that bomb at the end of season 5? Do you agree with Miles when he said - Do you think you will cause the chain of events if you detonate the bomb?

[spleen1015]

Without giving any spoilers away do you guys think Julia detonated that bomb at the end of season 5? Do you agree with Miles when he said - Do you think you will cause the chain of events if you detonate the bomb?

I don't think there is any question that she detonated the bomb. I think the mystery is if it changed the course of events or was it the original incident to begin with.

It would be lame if she didn't detonate it, IMO.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Well Richard did say he saw them all die, right? I have a feeling it didn't work the way Jack wanted it to.

[kingfc22]

Can't wait to see how this season plays out.

[Chubby]

Well Richard did say he saw them all die, right? I have a feeling it didn't work the way Jack wanted it to.

I think they always detonated the bomb, that always has been "the incident". The bomb jars the donkey wheel throwing our Losties back to current time hence "They are coming" - Jacob. The Losties dying, according to Richard, is them simply going forward in time I think.

The question is whether they really will go down the alternate timeline path this season. I hope they don't but if they do I can see it for 4-5 episodes showing another reality (think Daniel's drawing) only to see it snap back to the actual reality that we have seen seasons 1-5.

I think Jacob knew the loophole would be found and used by the Man In Black hence him visiting the Losties and touching them (bringing John back to life?). What that touch actually means I don't know but it marks them for something.

Lapidus being mentioned as a "candidate" I think is for the new Jacob/another body for Jacob. I think the true candidate is Aaron.

my $0.02 :)

[Chubby]

I think Jack is where Daniel was, thinking he can change the past/future but he can't. Daniele always gets killed by his own mother in the past. She's known this and despite the heartbreak did everything to ensure it would happen (because she had no control over it)

[Lathum]

1.21 Gigawatts!

[Chubby]

Looking pretty good so far :D

[Draft Dodger]

I've figured it out. at the very end, everyone from the island will wake up in Deadwood. It was all just some elaborate dream by Trixie, Joannie, Calamity Jane, Sol and Silas

[Easy Mac]

I'm a bit meh, if only because I never cared about the what if in terms of the plane not crashing (although I'm sure there's a bit more to it than a simple "what if", and more inventive than alternate/parallel universes). I'm far more intersted in the on island action. If this ends with Patrick Duffy in a shower, I'm going to be pissed.

[Alan T]

Yeah, I'm not sure where the alternate timeline landing in L.A. is heading and not sure how that stays interesting for too long, but otherwise I really enjoyed the episode and am glad Lost is back.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

If the alternate reality doesn't end up affecting the main storyline then it is just masturbatory. I REALLY hope that's not the case, and I'm a bit of a Lost shill.

[timmynausea]

If the alternate reality doesn't end up affecting the main storyline then it is just masturbatory. I REALLY hope that's not the case, and I'm a bit of a Lost shill.

I think the two storylines will have to intersect at some point. In fact, that may be how the show ends. Last night I was thinking wheelchair Locke will have to fight evil possessed Locke one way or another.

[BreizhManu]

I've figured it out. at the very end, everyone from the island will wake up in Deadwood. It was all just some elaborate dream by Trixie, Joannie, Calamity Jane, Sol and Silas

You missed E.B, who also appeared in the show for one episode in season 5.

Only thing that disturbed me on this episode was the air hostess being on the island and saying "I know who they are, they were on the first plane Oceanic 815", guess that means the 2 realities will join at some point.

[Samdari]

You missed E.B, who also appeared in the show for one episode in season 5.

Only thing that disturbed me on this episode was the air hostess being on the island and saying "I know who they are, they were on the first plane Oceanic 815", guess that means the 2 realities will join at some point.

You are forgetting they got back to the island on via an Ajira airways crash.

[BreizhManu]

You are forgetting they got back to the island on via an Ajira airways crash.

I know but I still find it disturbing, how did she get there ???

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

She was abducted along with the children way back in Season 1. We also saw her briefly in the beginning of Season 3.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I thought it was a pretty solid opening. The parallel non-crash universe was a lot of fun to watch. It was cool to see what happened to everyone after they landed and to see the character interact for the first time again. Sort of takes you back a bit.

I agree, however, that if it doesn't some how connect back up it will be sort of odd. I assume it will. You already have Jack's dead father missing and Desmond appearing and then disappearing off the plane, so... there are odd things afoot.

The one part I could have done without was all that Juliet stuff. I really liked the character and everything, but it was a bit much to spend so much time getting her out and then have that whole tortured Sawyer holding her in his arms and such just before she died. We had enough of that at the end of the last episode. It was quite clear he loved her, she loved him, and he felt horrible that she died. We didn't really need to go through all of that again.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Other odd things afoot:

Hurley is now lucky instead of unlucky
Jack's little cut/bruise

Here's a whole list: Differences between flashsideways timeline and original timeline - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_flashsideways_timeline_and_original_timeline)

[Alan T]

One thing I look forward to is more explanation of Richard's past (ie: fake-Locke's comment about him looking good out of the chains). I'm assuming Richard was originally a slave on the slave ship that came in who was rescued by Jacob.

[DataKing]

A few different comments/notes from my viewing last night:
Alan T, I'm right there with you as far as Richard is concerned. Ever since we figured out he's basically immortal, I've had a feeling he came to the island on the Black Rock (either as part of the cargo or part of the crew).
There are two reasons why I think the Oceanic Flight 815 that actually arrives in LA is not just a "what if.:
As Ronnie mentioned, Hurley is now lucky instead of unlucky. Presumably because "the numbers" never came into his life, but if they didn't, how did he win the lottery?
Shannon isn't on the plane. She never got on the plane, which means the two timelines diverged before the plane took off from Sydney.
I get the feeling that the reason we see the long, drawn-out bit with Juliet is to set up Sawyer to go get her, dig her up, and bring her back to the temple. If the spring brought Said back to life, Sawyer will expect it to do the same thing for her.
The show has started to display, and really work into the plot, one of the biggest issues I had with the Losties' plan to re-set everything last season; despite the hardships they have faced, many of them now lead better lives than they did before the crash. Kate is no longer a fugitive. Jin and Sun's marriage is strong, etc. One could argue that even Charlie was better off. But by the same token, a number of others died that didn't necessarily deserve to.

[Chubby]

I think, to me, it's clear the spring was muddy because Jacob was dead. MIB is trying to get "home" = the temple. I would not be surprised to see Sayid immortal ala Richard (who I think was saved in the spring as well)

[Chubby]

I think an interesting bit nobody has brought up was:

Ben - "What are you?" (to MIB as Locke)
MIB as Locke - "Not what, but who"

[Alan T]

I think, to me, it's clear the spring was muddy because Jacob was dead. MIB is trying to get "home" = the temple. I would not be surprised to see Sayid immortal ala Richard (who I think was saved in the spring as well)


If that is all that there is to it for Sayid, why was it so important that he stay alive? Why did they say they were all in big trouble if he died? That seems to build it up to be far more than simply another Richard type role.

[Toddzilla]

I'm pissed off that they've introduced yet *another* society living on that damn island that no one ever saw before or knew about.

Weak plot crutch IMO

[spleen1015]

I'm pissed off that they've introduced yet *another* society living on that damn island that no one ever saw before or knew about.

Weak plot crutch IMO

I don't think it is another society. They are all of the people Ben sent to the Temple when the mercenaries came to the island.

What I don't like about it is the Oriental leader. He seems to be someone of importance or power. Why didn't we know about him already since we've been dealing with the Others for a while?

[Alan T]

I'm pissed off that they've introduced yet *another* society living on that damn island that no one ever saw before or knew about.

Weak plot crutch IMO


That wasn't another society though was it? Those were simply more "Others" part of the same group as Richard and them. The firecracker they set off was to I assume alert the other "Others" around the island. The stewardess from the original flight and the two kids both were there, so I assume that is just one of the places the Others live.

In fact when the troops were coming to the island a few seasons below, Ben had Richard take everyone back to the temple to be protected anyways. So this wasn't a new society, it just was finally showing us what was inside since we had never seen it before.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm pissed off that they've introduced yet *another* society living on that damn island that no one ever saw before or knew about.

Weak plot crutch IMO

I sort of thought that the group of people living in the temple are "The Others" and the temple is their "homebase". At least that's how I understood it. I could be wrong here.

[Kodos]

Other odd things afoot:

Hurley is now lucky instead of unlucky
Jack's little cut/bruise

Here's a whole list: Differences between flashsideways timeline and original timeline - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_flashsideways_timeline_and_original_timeline)

Charlie's hair was different too. Shorter.

[Chubby]

If that is all that there is to it for Sayid, why was it so important that he stay alive? Why did they say they were all in big trouble if he died? That seems to build it up to be far more than simply another Richard type role.

Certainly possible just as it's possible Jacob used Sayid's body to come back and Sayid was the actual "candidate"

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

It's an interesting thought Chubby but wasn't Lapidus mentioned as a candidate before Ilana/Bram had any knowledge that Jacob was in danger? Or was this all somehow foretold to some extent?

[Alan T]

It's an interesting thought Chubby but wasn't Lapidus mentioned as a candidate before Ilana/Bram had any knowledge that Jacob was in danger? Or was this all somehow foretold to some extent?


I'm guessing this will eventually go back to the very start of the season 5 finale episode where Jacob said the line that went something like "It ends only once, everything else is just progress". Meaning that Jacob guessed that his rival would find the loophole and he prepared for it and this season will eventually unveil the entire chess puzzle of moves that led up to this scenerio.

[Chubby]

It's an interesting thought Chubby but wasn't Lapidus mentioned as a candidate before Ilana/Bram had any knowledge that Jacob was in danger? Or was this all somehow foretold to some extent?

I'm guessing that Jacob's "favor" of Illana was to bring the dead body of Locke to Jacob and that he told her he would need a new body at some point.

[Chubby]

I'm guessing this will eventually go back to the very start of the season 5 finale episode where Jacob said the line that went something like "It ends only once, everything else is just progress". Meaning that Jacob guessed that his rival would find the loophole and he prepared for it and this season will eventually unveil the entire chess puzzle of moves that led up to this scenerio.

Agreed 100%. I think this is why Jacob let Ben kill him and basically goaded him into it.. "What about you?"

I think Jacob touching the losties and the guitar case (with the ankh and note) is evidence of Jacob seeing what was coming and preparing for it.

I really don't get Miles' purpose at this point if Hurley can see costs and talk with them, Miles' ability came into play once (with Daniel if I remember) but Hurley can do the same thing but better...

[Alan T]

But Hurley has to wait for the dead people to visit him. Miles can evidently go to the dead people. So while similar abilities both seem to have some purpose. Miles does seem a bit out of place now however considering he's still around, but I guess we will see what happens with him.

[Chubby]

But Hurley has to wait for the dead people to visit him. Miles can evidently go to the dead people. So while similar abilities both seem to have some purpose. Miles does seem a bit out of place now however considering he's still around, but I guess we will see what happens with him.


True. I predict death, now whether it's sacrificing himself to save someone else who knows. It's not like he's particulary attached to anyone at this point...

[Pyser]

Certainly possible just as it's possible Jacob used Sayid's body to come back and Sayid was the actual "candidate"

thats what i thought too. though using jacks body wouldve made more sense, since its always been jack vs locke, but whatever

[Chubby]

thats what i thought too. though using jacks body wouldve made more sense, since its always been jack vs locke, but whatever

In an interview somewhere Damon/Carlton said they weren't killing Sayid off (Jack too I think) so once he died I figured he wasn't really dead...

[Samdari]

In an interview somewhere Damon/Carlton said they weren't killing Sayid off (Jack too I think) so once he died I figured he wasn't really dead...

They also said in an interview/podcast that they would never use alternate timelines/realities, so don't take their promises for the future to be sacrosanct.

[sabotai]

I completely missed Jin and Sun not being married in the alternate timeline (according to what was linked to earlier). I wonder why she felt the need to hide her knowledge of English? Or maybe she doesn't know English in this timeline, but it looked like she did.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Wow, that was really subtle. I agree that she definitely seemed to understand the customs agent.

[BishopMVP]

I completely missed Jin and Sun not being married in the alternate timeline (according to what was linked to earlier). I wonder why she felt the need to hide her knowledge of English?Because she learned English without Jin's knowledge (from the guy she slept with). She hid it S1 on the island too.

[sabotai]

Because she learned English without Jin's knowledge (from the guy she slept with). She hid it S1 on the island too.

Right, but the reason she hid it was so Jin wouldn't know. If they're not married in the alternate timeline, it wouldn't matter if Jin knows or not so there's no reason to hide it (if she does know English in the alternate timeline)

[DanGarion]

I read this on another site.

There are no chicken sandwiches in the parking lot. There are only dreamers. Sure, one could make the case that you can't make linoleum a religious symbol, and even if you could, why would oranges go to Buffalo? I sit here with my shoes and my can opener and I wonder about President Taft. There are rules for gasoline, and maybe - just maybe - the omelets will fly.

[Julio Riddols]

That appears to be a finished Mad Lib.

[Pyser]

15 episodes left and we get that piece of crap?

[bob]

15 episodes left and we get that piece of crap?

Agreed - I think that was one of worst three episodes of the show ever, especially given how close we are to the end. I guess we will have no more questions, as the promos say, because nothing happens during the episode.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I still enjoyed it (like I said, I'm a shill) but thank god it's the last Kate episode ever. Or at least I assume.

Definitely a letdown to some degree, though. Next week looks to pick it back up.

[Samdari]

Next week looks to pick it back up.

The promos made this week look pretty interesting. Instead, this just keeps getting worse.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

DarkUFO polled his spoiler sources before the year for the best episodes (or scripts), and this one was below all of the others, far below all but one other. The next one got a better rating than the premier, so I've got high hopes.

For those interested, link is spoilered below. Only spoilers are episode titles and consensus review.

Lost Season 6 - Episode Scorecard | Lost Season 6 (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/01/lost-season-6-episode-scorecard.html?showComment=1262571881604)

[Chubby]

The episode was kinda blah but I'm not that surprised when it was a character centered episode. Kinda dumb we got no shots of where smokie took Richard. I'm assuming Sayid has the same thing that Rousseau's crew had...

[Swaggs]

I didn't think it was great, but it wasn't too bad for me. I didn't mind the Kate backstory and thought the last 10 or 15-minutes with the Jack/Sayid pill thing and then reminding us that Claire is still on the island was pretty good.

For me, I just think they're overdoing it with Sawyer mourning -- I think they've hammered the point in a little too far, particularly since the previous seasons had went to great lenghts to establish the fact that Sawyer had been hardened over the years (w/ his parents and then his previous relationship and child).

[Swaggs]

Dola.

I'm not so much opposed to the fact that Sawyer is grieving, but more that they spent such a considerable amount of time in these first episodes of the season to continue to hammer at it, rather than spending the time showing something a little more interesting.

[MrDNA]

It occurs to me that I remember very little about last night's episode, except that Mac from Always Sunny in Philly was playing a dramatic role. I'm pretty sure that broke my brain.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

For me, the big question out of that episode is Sayid and "the sickness". Is this sickness related to the Man In Black, and perhaps to Sayid's dark past? Can the Man In Black only take over "bad people" and opposed to the famous "good people" throughout the show?

[Samdari]

For me, the big question out of that episode is Sayid and "the sickness". Is this sickness related to the Man In Black, and perhaps to Sayid's dark past? Can the Man In Black only take over "bad people" and opposed to the famous "good people" throughout the show?

I see this all the time and it drives me nuts.

The smoke monster does not 'take over' or 'possess' people or bodies, it assumes the form of dead people on the island - notice John Locke's body in the box while Fake Locke was fooling everyone.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Well I'm not convinced it's quite that easy. Where did Christian's body go after the crash? Where did Yemi's body go?

[Samdari]

Well I'm not convinced it's quite that easy. Where did Christian's body go after the crash? Where did Yemi's body go?

Christian's body is problematic. Yemi's is not missing though - you could just assume that its still on the little plane.

The one case where it is clear cut, the smoke moster takes the form of Locke, but does not animate his body. I am assuming that is how it always works. Other theories could be drawn, but everything else is conjecture, the Locke thing is cut and dried.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

No, Eko went back to find Yemi's body and it was no longer there.

I agree that the Locke one certainly points heavily in the "take the form" direction. I'm just not sure they've completely thought it through, or that both possibilities don't exist.

I think the "new Claire" might also be a part of this conversation at some point. Before she disappeared Miles certainly seemed to be hinting that she was actually dead.

[JetsIn06]

I liked the episode a lot. :confused:

[spleen1015]

I think the sickness is perhaps MIB resurrecting people, thus tainting them in some way. This would explain Miles thinking Claire was dead.

MIB takes the form of some dead people. I don't think he uses their bodies.

[Toddzilla]

He clearly doesn't use their bodies - we saw him as Locke walk past Locke's dead body juts last week.

[sabotai]

Son of a diddly! I knew I forgot to watch something last night! Time to spend the next 45 minutes on Hulu.

[Thomkal]

I'm just glad they remembered Claire existed. Other than that, this episode was pretty meh to me.

[Draft Dodger]

I think I'm about done with the alternate timeline thing

[panerd]

Ethan showing up as Claire's doctor was a shocker.


Yeah that one was a bit unusual. So Ethan was in another section of the plane that crashed, correct? How was he on duty as a doctor only an hour or so after the plane landed?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Ethan was born on the island. He was with the Dharma Initiative.

[DanGarion]

Ethan showing up as Claire's doctor was a shocker.

And the fact that the guy at the auto shop was someone from the others wasn't?

[DeToxRox]

I decided tonight to start rewatching Lost from season one. I figure it'll take a month or two to finish but it's a nice supplement between new episodes.

I will say this though, re-watching season 1, I am not angry Michael is gone.

[DanGarion]

I decided tonight to start rewatching Lost from season one. I figure it'll take a month or two to finish but it's a nice supplement between new episodes.

I will say this though, re-watching season 1, I am not angry Michael is gone.

WALT!

[Alan T]

I decided tonight to start rewatching Lost from season one. I figure it'll take a month or two to finish but it's a nice supplement between new episodes.

I will say this though, re-watching season 1, I am not angry Michael is gone.


I did that over my Christmas break and part of January. Was fun going back through some of the old episodes.

[Toddzilla]

I found it very poignant that on the scene on the docks, where Sawyer is grieving over Juliet with Kate sitting there, Sawyer hammers home the point that it's over between he and Kate and he has no feelings for her at all anymore. "I'm sorry I followed you" she says. "Which time?" he replies. He tosses the ring and walks off, and Kate breaks down. Not because she sympathizes with Sawyer, but because she recognizes that he doesn't care for her anymore.

[DanGarion]

I found it very poignant that on the scene on the docks, where Sawyer is grieving over Juliet with Kate sitting there, Sawyer hammers home the point that it's over between he and Kate and he has no feelings for her at all anymore. "I'm sorry I followed you" she says. "Which time?" he replies. He tosses the ring and walks off, and Kate breaks down. Not because she sympathizes with Sawyer, but because she recognizes that he doesn't care for her anymore.
Let's just hope it stays that way.

[Toddzilla]

I want to apologize for my last post for sounding way too much like a bitch.

[Pyser]

heres how the rest of the season should go down.

every episode, someone should get to kill kate. then she should get brought back to life, so we can kill her again.

hell, lets do it in both timelines. then she can die 30 times!

[Dodgerchick]

So umm... I thought this was the season when questions were gonna be answered? So far, we're 3 episodes in and nothing. I swear, if this ends up being someone's dream I'm gonna be pretty pissed.

[spleen1015]

It won't be that lame.

[MrDNA]

It won't be that lame.

Proof or GTFO.

It definitely could be that lame.

[spleen1015]

I don't have any proof. I just don't believe it will be something lame like that.

It could be entirely something else that is lame, but there is no way this is all a dream.

[chesapeake]

I finally caught up on the show this weekend. I agree with HB about Juliet's 2nd death being overindulgent. I understand the reasoning behind it -- Sawyer's anger over her death appears like a major driver of the plot -- but it was too much.

Eko cradles Yemi's corpse in some episode and takes his cross necklace, which he then wears for the rest of his time on the island. Eventually he burns the contents of the plane. I don't recall him going to the plane and not seeing the corpse in between.

Miles is around because Funny Sawyer is absent at the moment and every show needs some comic relief.

Where did Desmond go? Jack asked Rose where he went on the plane, so I expect that means we are supposed to note that he disappeared. He has a unique talent, at last in one timeline, and I expect he still has a key role to play, albeit diminished because of the actor's harrassment lawsuit.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I finally saw the Kate episode last night. I didn't think it was horrible. It wasn't exciting and no huge reveals, but that's fine.

I don't mind the alternate timeline, but they really need to link it back up some how. If it's just a series of "What ifs?", it's pretty lame and a waste of time. The guy in the garage certainly looked familiar. And as for Ethan as Claire's doctor, I have no idea what's going on there. Ethan was born on the island. He was the son of some Dahrma couple. I forget who exactly. Did they end up leaving on the sub that Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet bailed from?

I like Miles. I've always liked Miles. A cool character, interesting concept and he's always made me laugh. Even when he is being douchey.

Angry, sad bitter Sawyer is getting a little old. I do hope that he's finally decided that Juliet was his girl and there's nothing left there for Kate. That would be a very nice change.

Good to see Claire back.

I, too, was wondering about this infection. Because the Man In Black seems to be able to take the form of dead people, I thought that was what they were testing Sayid for. That doesn't seem to be it, but perhaps it's related. When we last saw Claire, she was in the cabin with "Jacob", though I thought "Jacob" was in the form of Jack's dead dad, which seems more Man In Black style. Who knows...

[Swaggs]

I guess that, if the bomb went off, then Ethan left the island with Horace Goodspeed (I think that was his name) and his wife -- hence being Ethan Goodspeed, rather than Ethan Rom. If I remember correctly, one of the Losties convinced Horace's crew to leave the island because something bad was going to happen. Does anyone remember if Miles' dad left the island or was he there during the detonation? If he left, Miles' life will have been much different in the alternate timeline.

I think the mechanic who drillpressed Kate's handcuffs was the guy that beat the crap out of Sawyer when he, Kate, and Jack were in custody and then Juliet shot and killed him later on.

[chesapeake]

Miles's Dad (Dr. Pierre Chang appears to be his character's real name) remained on the island. They made a big show of Chang insisting that his wife get on the sub with baby Miles.

Ethan is the son of Horace Goodspeed and Michelle Dessler from 24.

Chang also gave the order to evacuate the women and children from the island. Given Ethan's presence as Claire's obstetrician, it is reasonable to assume that baby Ethan was evacuated along with his mother before the nuke was detonated.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I guess that, if the bomb went off, then Ethan left the island with Horace Goodspeed (I think that was his name) and his wife -- hence being Ethan Goodspeed, rather than Ethan Rom. If I remember correctly, one of the Losties convinced Horace's crew to leave the island because something bad was going to happen. Does anyone remember if Miles' dad left the island or was he there during the detonation? If he left, Miles' life will have been much different in the alternate timeline.

I think it was Sawyer who convinced them to. I think... It's hard to remember.


I think the mechanic who drillpressed Kate's handcuffs was the guy that beat the crap out of Sawyer when he, Kate, and Jack were in custody and then Juliet shot and killed him later on.

I looked around on this point and haven't seen where this guy was on Lost before. I think he's just a character actor who looks familiar because he's been in a bunch of other things. According to the actor's (Jeff Kober) IMDB page, this episode is the only episode of "Lost" he's ever been on.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Eko cradles Yemi's corpse in some episode and takes his cross necklace, which he then wears for the rest of his time on the island. Eventually he burns the contents of the plane. I don't recall him going to the plane and not seeing the corpse in between.

I'm not going to actually rewatch the episode, but my memory and the anal-retentive lostpedia both agree.

The Cost of Living - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Cost_of_Living)

On the way to the the Pearl (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pearl)/Beechcraft Locke asks if Eko is looking for Yemi (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Yemi). Eko angrily pins Locke to a tree with a knife at his throat, telling Locke not to speak his brother's name again. Locke calmly asks what Eko is afraid of, but Eko doesn't reply. At the Beechcraft, Locke helps Eko to remove the boulders that cover the plane's door, while the others enter the Pearl. Locke asks Eko what he saw in the jungle, confiding that he once saw the "Monster" as a very bright light which was beautiful; but Eko replies, "That is not what I saw."

Eko discovers that Yemi's body is not inside the Beechcraft. Eko decides to wait by the plane, contemplating a black and white photograph of himself and Yemi as boys. Before heading down into the Pearl (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pearl), Locke gives Eko the cross that he found while tracking Eko during "Further Instructions (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Further_Instructions)".

[chesapeake]

I'm not going to actually rewatch the episode, but my memory and the anal-retentive lostpedia both agree.

The Cost of Living - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Cost_of_Living)

Fair enough.

[chesapeake]

Dola

Another thought I've been having -- Ben has to realize now that the MIB played him but good by making him believe that Alex wanted him to follow the fake Locke blindly. Payback is going to be a bitch on that one.

[Honolulu_Blue]

But remember last year Ben release the smoke monster on the freighters people.

So I wonder if Ben is working with the MIB.

I don't think Ben is working with the MIB itentionally. He did release the smoke monster, but I don't get the feeling he really quite understood what it was at the time. He certainly looked pretty shocked when the MIB took smoke monster form inside that statue.

[chesapeake]

But remember last year Ben release the smoke monster on the freighters people.

So I wonder if Ben is working with the MIB.

Ben used it like a tool in that particular case. He seemed genuinely surprised when he figured out that Locke was Smoky in the base of the statue.

[Chubby]

very good episode, it was nice to see some significance to the numbers...

I think with the fake Locke stuff: at some point in the past he was brought to the island like the losties, was tricked by the bad guy to take his place and that is what he is trying to do with Sawyer.

I think all the candidates are men, hence why Kate's name wasn't there. People slo-moed a lot of other names including Littleton being crossed off (Aaron) which is probably crossed off because he didn't come back to the island.

If Sayid is "claimed", I'm surprised that doesn't remove him from candidate consideration (his name wasn't crossed off)...

The boy: I don't think it's future Aaron or little Jacob... I think it's the "scales" of the island and the arbitrater of the game. "You can't kill him" i believe is in reference to Sawyer...

[Chubby]

Jacob is looking for a candidate to replace him as protector of the island, Smokie is looking for a recruit to replace him...

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Kind of like Kelvin and Desmond.

[DataKing]

Something occurred to me during last night's episode. When Sawyer asked Miles to speak with Juliet after she had died, he said that all she said was "it worked." It is entirely possible that the "alternate timeline" we're seeing isn't an alternate at all...it is now reality. There could be, in effect, two Sawyers, two Kates, etc now. Of course, if that's true, I don't see how any of the Losties can ever come to leave the island, but who knows.

Just some food for thought I suppose.

[Easy Mac]

very good episode, it was nice to see some significance to the numbers...

I think with the fake Locke stuff: at some point in the past he was brought to the island like the losties, was tricked by the bad guy to take his place and that is what he is trying to do with Sawyer.

I think all the candidates are men, hence why Kate's name wasn't there. People slo-moed a lot of other names including Littleton being crossed off (Aaron) which is probably crossed off because he didn't come back to the island.

If Sayid is "claimed", I'm surprised that doesn't remove him from candidate consideration (his name wasn't crossed off)...

The boy: I don't think it's future Aaron or little Jacob... I think it's the "scales" of the island and the arbitrater of the game. "You can't kill him" i believe is in reference to Sawyer...

Sayid technically died after Jacob did (since he didn't die until they drowned him, Jacob was already dead for about an hour or so)

[Swaggs]

Jacob is looking for a candidate to replace him as protector of the island, Smokie is looking for a recruit to replace him...

Good call -- that is pretty obvious and makes a lot of sense. It could make for a pretty cool season.

[Swaggs]

Something occurred to me during last night's episode. When Sawyer asked Miles to speak with Juliet after she had died, he said that all she said was "it worked." It is entirely possible that the "alternate timeline" we're seeing isn't an alternate at all...it is now reality. There could be, in effect, two Sawyers, two Kates, etc now. Of course, if that's true, I don't see how any of the Losties can ever come to leave the island, but who knows.

Just some food for thought I suppose.

I hope that's not the case. That would feel like a pretty cheap way to explain things.

[Swaggs]

This isn't something that I picked up from watching, but apparently the temp agency worker, that had the strange encounter w/ Locke, was the tarot card reader in one of Hurley's storylines.

[spleen1015]

Something occurred to me during last night's episode. When Sawyer asked Miles to speak with Juliet after she had died, he said that all she said was "it worked." It is entirely possible that the "alternate timeline" we're seeing isn't an alternate at all...it is now reality. There could be, in effect, two Sawyers, two Kates, etc now. Of course, if that's true, I don't see how any of the Losties can ever come to leave the island, but who knows.

Just some food for thought I suppose.

How when they clearly showed the island under water in the alternate time line.

[Chubby]

Sayid technically died after Jacob did (since he didn't die until they drowned him, Jacob was already dead for about an hour or so)

Yes but I believe that it is smokie who crosses the names out, he crossed out Lockes in last nights episode but not Sayid's... now why is that? :)

[Chubby]

This isn't something that I picked up from watching, but apparently the temp agency worker, that had the strange encounter w/ Locke, was the tarot card reader in one of Hurley's storylines.

Behind Locke on a poster at the temp agency is Desmond and Kate (this was pointed out to me on a Lost message board)

[Chubby]

How when they clearly showed the island under water in the alternate time line.

If I had to guess I'll say that the Juliet that we saw die in the season 6 premiere was the alternate timeline Juliet (didn't see babble some nonesense before dying which alternate timeline Sawyer might have understood?)

I'd also guess that all of our Losties end up on Ajira in '07 in the alt timeline as well and that could be the event to merge the two timelines (which I hope to god happens).

I would not be surprised to see Jack (new Jacob) vs Sawyer (new smokie) when all is said and done...

[BishopMVP]

Hey, what do you know - no Kate, all Locke/"Locke"/Ben, and it's a fantastic episode.

I am a little worried that they feel the need to flashback and show us Jacob meeting the candidates/Smoky as Locke pushing Jacob into the fire. I realize the network is probably demanding some dumbing down to catch up new/casual viewers, but if you don't remember what happened in last season's finale I really don't want to beat you over the head every time they describe a past event/double cross like it's Prison Break.

[DeToxRox]

Saw this elsewhere:


Number ↓ Already Crossed Out? ↓ Name ↓ Grouping ↓
4 Yes (by Nemesis) Locke (John) Flight 815 (Dead)
8 No Reyes (Hugo) Flight 815 (Alive)
10 Yes Mattingley US Army
15 No Ford (James) Flight 815 (Alive)
16 No Jarrah (Sayid) Flight 815 (Alive)
20 Yes Rousseau (Possibly Alex Rousseau or Danielle Rousseau) French Team / Others
23 No Shephard (Jack) Flight 815 (Alive)
27? Yes …? Undetermined (Partial)
30 Yes …la Undetermined (Partial)
31 Yes Rutherford (Shannon) Flight 815 (Dead)
33 Yes Martin (Karl) Others (Dead)
34 Yes C? Undetermined (Partial)
42 No Kwon (Jin? Sun? Ji Yeon?) Flight 815 (Alive)
49 Yes …chan Undetermined (Partial)
50 Yes Troup (Gary) Flight 815 (Dead)
55 Yes Burke (Juliet) Others (Dead)
62 Yes …? Undetermined (Partial)
64 Yes Goldstein Undetermined
70 Yes Faraday[1] (Daniel) Freighter
90 Yes Troup (Gary) Flight 815 (Dead)
115 Yes Bargas Undetermined
117 Yes Linus (Roger? Ben?) DHARMA/Others
119 Yes Almeida Undetermined
134 Yes Chang (Pierre) DHARMA
140 Yes Lewis[2] (Charlotte) Freighter
171 Yes Straume (Miles) Freighter
175 Yes Costa Undetermined
195 Yes Pace (Charlie) Flight 815 (Dead)
222 Yes O’Toole Undetermined
238 Yes Jones US Army
251 Yes Yaris Undetermined
269? Yes Garner Undetermined
272 Yes Oralingo Undetermined
282 Yes Aguella Undetermined
285 Yes Jenn… Undetermined (Partial)
291 Yes Domingo Undetermined
313 Yes Littleton (Claire? Aaron?) Flight 815 (Alive)
317 Yes Cunningham US Army
321 Yes Fernandez (Nikki) Flight 815 (Dead)
335 Yes Henderson (Possibly Rose's maiden name) Undetermined
337 Yes Martin (Karl) Others
346 Yes Grant Undetermined
…? Yes Sullivan Flight 815
…? Yes Goodspeed (Horace? Olivia? Ethan?) DHARMA
…? Yes Lacombe French Team
…? Yes Reyno(lds?) Undetermined (Partial)
…? Yes …zki (Radzinsky?) (Minkowski?) Undetermined (Partial) 0.
…? Yes Pickett (Danny or Colleen) Others
…? Yes Brennan French team
…? Yes Aguila Undetermined

[Swaggs]

Hey, what do you know - no Kate, all Locke/"Locke"/Ben, and it's a fantastic episode.

I am a little worried that they feel the need to flashback and show us Jacob meeting the candidates/Smoky as Locke pushing Jacob into the fire. I realize the network is probably demanding some dumbing down to catch up new/casual viewers, but if you don't remember what happened in last season's finale I really don't want to beat you over the head every time they describe a past event/double cross like it's Prison Break.

I don't really have a problem with them dumbing it down a little bit, as long as it isn't too time consuming. It is a complicated story and, while I appreciate them throwing some significant bones to the hardcore fans, I think they should make it relatively easy to understand by the time it reaches its conclusion.

[Easy Mac]

A couple of questions:

How did smoke Locke take the form of Alex in the temple in last season's "Dead is Dead"? Didn't Ilana say in the most recent episode that smokey is now stuck in Locke's body? So how could he have changed into Alex's body at the end of last season if he was already smoke Locke?

Also, how did young Ben get off the island. At the end of last season, Ben's dad shot Sayid because he shot his son. Ben still wasn't back yet. They never showed him returning before the evacuation, unless I missed it. So either the alternate timeline is messed up, or it diverged long before the bomb went off.

[Chubby]

A couple of questions:

How did smoke Locke take the form of Alex in the temple in last season's "Dead is Dead"? Didn't Ilana say in the most recent episode that smokey is now stuck in Locke's body? So how could he have changed into Alex's body at the end of last season if he was already smoke Locke?

Also, how did young Ben get off the island. At the end of last season, Ben's dad shot Sayid because he shot his son. Ben still wasn't back yet. They never showed him returning before the evacuation, unless I missed it. So either the alternate timeline is messed up, or it diverged long before the bomb went off.

The most likely answer is because Jacob is now dead, smokie is stuck in his current form/black smoke.

Most likely the same way young Ethan got off the island... (however that was since if there's no incident there's no sub off the island at that point in time)

[Swaggs]

I don't really have a problem with them dumbing it down a little bit, as long as it isn't too time consuming. It is a complicated story and, while I appreciate them throwing some significant bones to the hardcore fans, I think they should make it relatively easy to understand by the time it reaches its conclusion.

I saw a little bit of this episode again when my wife watched it and, after closer inspection, I was wondering if they showed the stock footage of Jacob visiting people to demonstrate that he had physically touched each of the people he visited. And, it seemed as if the portion that they showed during the Sun/Jin part emphasized that he touched Jin's shoulder (and did not touch Sun).

[nole4sho]

It is my belief that Desmond is the one chosen to be the next Jacob. His appearance on the plane reminds me of Jacob's appearances. Desmond seemed to show up out of no where and interact with Jack.

[DeToxRox]

Awesome episode last night.

Here is a spoiler. It's basically about some questions that get answered in an upcoming episode. There is a hint included from Entertainment Weekly which I am trying to wrap my head around so feel free to try and guess it if you do read the spoiler;


What Is the Island? That very huge question will be answered in less time than you think--somewhere around halfway through the season, according to sources. Awesome, right? And you know who's going to help deliver the message? The fantastic, ever-youthful guyliner model Mr. Richard Alpert (Nestor Carbonell) and his longtime friend Jacob (Mark Pellegrino). It's gonna be good.

So…What Is the Island? It's described as a four-letter word. There's your first clue! Shall we play Hangman? There are no A's or E's in the word…Wanna buy another vowel? Okay, but you only get one.

[Pyser]

at some point something is gonna happen this season, right?

[Chubby]

Starting around 51:30 of the episode The Lighthouse, Hurley starts turning the dial to 108 degrees as Jacob instructed. If you watch closely, the dial wasn't far away to begin with and the 1st flash of other images that Jack sees in the mirrors corresponds to the 108th degree on the dial.

I don't have screen capture but 108 = Wallace crossed out and you can see it pretty clearly along with the names near him.

I think we all know there is importance in the number 108 on the island.

The image Jack sees looks like THE Temple to me but it could just be another temple which screams Kogen to me. We know now Kogen is not from another time due to Jack's flash sideways and the piano recital.

I haven't seen this brought up anywhere and I don't think it's coincidence that Hurley was supposed to go to 108 (and clearly did and went WAY past it for some reason) which is a number of significance on the island.

The house Jack sees on his numbers is also his mother's house in the alternate timeline. I have a feeling that the lighthouse is a glimpse into the other timeline...

Shepard appears to be written differently on the dial when compared to the other names...

[Chubby]

I posted the previous on a Lost board...

heh I won't bother playing hangman since the word is likely in a language besides english.

[DeToxRox]

Starting around 51:30 of the episode The Lighthouse, Hurley starts turning the dial to 108 degrees as Jacob instructed. If you watch closely, the dial wasn't far away to begin with and the 1st flash of other images that Jack sees in the mirrors corresponds to the 108th degree on the dial.

I don't have screen capture but 108 = Wallace crossed out and you can see it pretty clearly along with the names near him.

I think we all know there is importance in the number 108 on the island.

The image Jack sees looks like THE Temple to me but it could just be another temple which screams Kogen to me. We know now Kogen is not from another time due to Jack's flash sideways and the piano recital.

I haven't seen this brought up anywhere and I don't think it's coincidence that Hurley was supposed to go to 108 (and clearly did and went WAY past it for some reason) which is a number of significance on the island.

The house Jack sees on his numbers is also his mother's house in the alternate timeline. I have a feeling that the lighthouse is a glimpse into the other timeline...

Shepard appears to be written differently on the dial when compared to the other names...

Austen is written on #51 also, and not crossed out.

[Chubby]

Austen is written on #51 also, and not crossed out.

I'm not surprised that Kate is on there as I think Jacob watched everyone who he brought to the island. Her number not being one of the magic numbers most likely means she's not going to be "the one".

I've seen some good theories that it's going to be Hurley but only time will tell.

I currently think the mirrors showed the "flash sideways" timeline as it was pretty clear Jacob could go and do whatever he wanted in the Losties timeline...

[Swaggs]

I can't escape the feeling that the show is going to somehow end with Jack and either Locke (smoke monster) or Sawyer on the same beach, having the same conversation that Jacob and Smokey had last season.

[Pyser]

it would be pretty unsatisfying if this entire ordeal was just to replace 2 guys we met at the very end of season 5.

[Chubby]

I can't escape the feeling that the show is going to somehow end with Jack and either Locke (smoke monster) or Sawyer on the same beach, having the same conversation that Jacob and Smokey had last season.

Jack as Jacob and Sawyer as Smokie when Smokie takes his body (by Sawyer's choosing) just as the previous Smokie had done to him.

I still think the last scene will be Jack waking up onthe island ala the 1st scene in the series.

[DeToxRox]

Personally I think Jacob is going to end up being the Evil one while "Locke" is the one actually looking to save the island.

[Chubby]

Personally I think Jacob is going to end up being the Evil one while "Locke" is the one actually looking to save the island.

I've thought of that but the evidence is just too overwhelming at this point...

white/black clothing symbolism, Flocke tossing the white stone, Flocke/Smokie killing people with Jacob saving people.

[Samdari]

it would be pretty unsatisfying if this entire ordeal was just to replace 2 guys we met at the very end of season 5.


I've felt it going towards an unsatisfying ending ever since they started winding towards the end.

[DeToxRox]

I've thought of that but the evidence is just too overwhelming at this point...

white/black clothing symbolism, Flocke tossing the white stone, Flocke/Smokie killing people with Jacob saving people.

But are they killing people who are trying to do damage to the island? For all we know Jacob is saving people he thinks have the ability to destroy the island. I know it's overwhelming evidence but it's based off our perceptions to this point sicne we really don't know Jacob's motives.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I imagine they'll either just gloss over it or completely ignore it, but if Jacob is so noble, great, christlike, whatever, why did the Others need Room 23 to brainwash people into following him?

Or has that part effectively been retconned out?

[Samdari]

I imagine they'll either just gloss over it or completely ignore it, but if Jacob is so noble, great, christlike, whatever, why did the Others need Room 23 to brainwash people into following him?

Or has that part effectively been retconned out?

Jacob NEVER interacted with Ben.

My guess is that he will be shown to leading his flock in Jacob's name, but not really leading them according to Jacob's will/teachings/ideology. Or some other nature of religion kind of message.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

That's a fair point. I guess Richard/Dogen didn't really care what Ben was doing?

[Samdari]

That's a fair point. I guess Richard/Dogen didn't really care what Ben was doing?

I am at a loss as to where Richard/Dogen/Alana fit into this scheme.

I am sure Ben claimed to be leading the others in Jacob's name, but has been shown to really have had nothing to do with Jacob. Not sure how Richard fit with Ben, despite on obvious association.

Alana seems closely associated with Jacob, but appeared to have never met Richard.

Dogen also claims to be leading people in Jacob's name, but we do not know his level of direct contact with any of the others (ugh, for lack of a better term).

[DeToxRox]

What if Jacob is leading all these factions on the island to create a war? The winner would conceivably end up passing the test to show who was best to be the new Jacob, whether it means in a evil way or not.

[sabotai]

At this point, I think it's almost guaranteed that a lot more people will be disappointed with the ending than will be satisfied with it. It's just been built up too much, and everyone seems to have their own idea as to how the series should end.

[DeToxRox]

At this point, I think it's almost guaranteed that a lot more people will be disappointed with the ending than will be satisfied with it. It's just been built up too much, and everyone seems to have their own idea as to how the series should end.

There was some interview with the creators where they praised how The Wire and The Shield ended, but I swear they basically said their ending might have a Sopranos feel to it in how the fans react.

[Samdari]

At this point, I think it's almost guaranteed that a lot more people will be disappointed with the ending than will be satisfied with it. It's just been built up too much, and everyone seems to have their own idea as to how the series should end.

Well, it seemed to start out as science fiction, and turns out its a lesson in religious ideology. I cannot imagine anything that would turn off the science fiction crowd more.

[BreizhManu]

There was some interview with the creators where they praised how The Wire and The Shield ended, but I swear they basically said their ending might have a Sopranos feel to it in how the fans react.

I didn't like te way the wire ended, I loved how the shield ended but the biggest difference if we saw it coming during two full seasons, we knew something like that would happen, they build it slowly and that's why it was great.

Regarding the ending, honestly they didn't show up anything yet.

For me this can only lead to great expectations and therefore great disapointment.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

[BreizhManu]

Well, it seemed to start out as science fiction, and turns out its a lesson in religious ideology. I cannot imagine anything that would turn off the science fiction crowd more.

That was the main reason I stopped watching Battlestar Galactica, here at least it's less mystical.

[StLee]

Well, it seemed to start out as science fiction, and turns out its a lesson in religious ideology. I cannot imagine anything that would turn off the science fiction crowd more.

May the force be with you!


As far as the story goes, nothing to me is indicating anything of God vs Devil play, though they are trying to drop those hints (I believe as Red Herrings). In the end, I think it is more of a scientific, chaos theory abounding throughout. I have nothing to base that on, other than there seems to be so many theological/mythological hints being dropped in that I can see nothing of a true ideology there. Hopefully, I will be surprised by the endgame and say, "Oh, OK. That's cool." I invested too much forum time reading about the show to be blown away by anything since so many different angles have been theorized. I imagine that's what the creators of the show wanted from the beginning, lots and lots of hypothetical situations discussed.

[Swaggs]

I feel like there was a good episode in there tonight, but it got edited down and they shaved off about 10-15 vital minutes.

The only thing I think I got out of this one was that Sayid turned heel for the remainder of the series.

[sabotai]

Sayid has always been a follower.

[hoopsguy]

I missed something at the end with the Tivo going out. Anyone want to spoil the last five minutes for me, since I can't find it online at the ABC site yet?

[GoldenEagle]

This is good news.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks, Brassmonkey.

[Pyser]

this season sucks

they spent 5 seasons building up something great with widmore and all that, then in the last episode of the season turned it into jacob vs MIB.

then someone in the writers room had the brilliant idea to turn the flashbacks into CoincidenceLand, where absolutely nothing of note happens, except some history is changed and people bump into each other but dont know it. which essentially wastes half of every single episode.

i mean, we have 10 episodes left. sayid died and is now bad. claire, the nicest person on the show, is now evil (and horribly, horribly, HORRIBLY unconvincing). jack broke a mirror. jacob, who we didnt even know was real until 5 episodes ago, died. did i miss anything?

unless widmore and desmond come back, and maybe eloise, this season is a waste. they shouldve ended it last year.

prove me wrong, lost!

[Pyser]

dola

anyone else feel like the first 4 seasons are essentially meaningless now?

some characters arent even themselves anymore, and the time change has wiped out most of the rest of the history.

[BishopMVP]

this season sucks
....
prove me wrong, lost!It gives me hope that the thing Ronnie posted that listed the ratings for the first 9 episodes (only spoilers are episode titles) - Lost Season 6 - Episode Scorecard | Lost Season 6 (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/01/lost-season-6-episode-scorecard.html?showComment=1262571881604) - hasthe next one (6.7) supposedly even better than the one great one this season, and 2 weeks after that is apparently a phenomenal one that hopefully ties everything back together and leaves 10 episodes to finish strong.

[Swaggs]

In previous seasons, who else did the smoke monster kill? I think it got the original pilot (Matt Parkman from Heroes), Mr. Echo, Keamy (sp?) and his team. I'm trying to think if there is anyone else and what the link could be, or if it is inconsequential now.

Also, I guess it is just Jack and Hurley, and then the group that is with Sun (Frank the pilot, Ilyana?, Ben, and Sun) that are not w/ Smoke Locke now?

[Toddzilla]

dola

anyone else feel like the first 4 seasons are essentially meaningless now?

some characters arent even themselves anymore, and the time change has wiped out most of the rest of the history.I have that thought all the time. I think back to the first and second season and think that the writers had no idea where they were headed and it's essentially a new show with similar characters now.

[BishopMVP]

Also, I guess it is just Jack and Hurley, and then the group that is with Sun (Frank the pilot, Ilyana?, Ben, and Sun) that are not w/ Smoke Locke now?Don't forget the other other Others that I'm sure will be introduced 3 episodes from the finale.I have that thought all the time. I think back to the first and second season and think that the writers had no idea where they were headed and it's essentially a new show with similar characters now.I think they had the broad idea and a lot of S1still holds together - it set up the Jack/Locke science/faith rivalry, the apparently all-important Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle, introduced the smoke monster and that there were mysterious other people on the island. It's S2 and S3 where it feels like they were just killing time and/or had no idea how they wanted to end it. There were also a couple off-camera things that affected things - I'm not sure if Libby and Ana-Lucia were supposed to be big characters but I remember Eko was supposed to have a large role going forward before he asked off the show. Even so, there was a lot of irrelevant and now whitewashed stuff that happened then. I'm sure Widmore etc. will be tied back in when the Smoke Monster tries to get off the island, otherwise yes, S4 and S5 could fall into that category.

[Toddzilla]

and where the F is Desmond a.k.a. the most interesting person on the show?

[Alan T]

and where the F is Desmond a.k.a. the most interesting person on the show?


I can't stand most episodes with Desmond in it.. So glad he's not around.

I think so far this season has been ok for me, I don't think it is as bad as some make it out to be, but I still don't really care too much for the sideways arc. I think the one thing missing is one of the things I enjoyed greatly was Ben's character earlier seasons as well as the mystery of the island. I think the more I come to learn about the island, the less mysterious it is and thus the less interesting. Plus there hasn't really been a good replacement for Ben's character since he has become a rather minor role.

Still this show is my most anticipated every week, so must be alright in my eyes :)

[Toddzilla]

Something I didn't realize (thanks EW) is that this season's episodes mirrored the first season's episodes as to who was featured. Except for the last episode "Sundown", which in the 1st season featured Sun and Jin and this one was Sayied focused.

[Samdari]

I can't stand most episodes with Desmond in it.. So glad he's not around.

I think so far this season has been ok for me, I don't think it is as bad as some make it out to be, but I still don't really care too much for the sideways arc. I think the one thing missing is one of the things I enjoyed greatly was Ben's character earlier seasons as well as the mystery of the island. I think the more I come to learn about the island, the less mysterious it is and thus the less interesting. Plus there hasn't really been a good replacement for Ben's character since he has become a rather minor role.

Still this show is my most anticipated every week, so must be alright in my eyes :)


Next week is a Ben episode, I believe.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I think both Ben and Desmond's stories have been told, to a large degree.

[BishopMVP]

I'm sure Widmore etc. will be tied back in when the Smoke Monster tries to get off the island, otherwise yes, S4 and S5 could fall into that category.Or, alternatively, the writers could just be douches. Lisa de Moraes - Creators of 'Lost' say they won't tie up all those loose ends - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog) :banghead: (I don't think anything in that article could be classified as a spoiler, but you probably don't want to read it anyway.)

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Lindelof already said that article was bullshit FWIW.

[BishopMVP]

Lindelof already said that article was bullshit FWIW.On one hand, I pray he's right and it's a smokescreen. On the other, the only hard thing mentioned in the article was the economist Sayid shot on the golf course (and presumably the other X# Ben had Sayid going after), and I really don't see how they can adequately explain who is "good" and who is "bad" - and why - in 12 episodes when there are much bigger issues to wrap up. I was still hoping they at least had it mapped out by early S3 once ABC gave them a deadline, but reading behind the scenes on The Wire even the best shows apparently wait until the last season to figure out the most integral questions.
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[bryce]

My girlfriend and I have both watched this show from day 1, but we've both adopted the "Thank God this show is finally almost over" attitude. A brief exchange we had during the latest episode on Tuesday, which was an election night here in Texas, pretty much sums it up:

Me: "Wow, Perry is killing them."
Her: "Huh? I was watching the dog breakdance on the floor."

Lost was on, but neither of us was watching it. I was more interested in the primary election results scrolling across the screen, and she was more preoccupied with the dog scratching her butt. Yep, Season 6 of Lost...

As someone else mentioned, and I completely agree, and I've had this view for years now - I don't think the writers had any clue what they were doing 3,4,5 years ago - they just threw junk at the wall and hoped something would stick. And now this is the result, just garbage.

[JetsIn06]

My girlfriend and I have both watched this show from day 1, but we've both adopted the "Thank God this show is finally almost over" attitude. A brief exchange we had during the latest episode on Tuesday, which was an election night here in Texas, pretty much sums it up:

Me: "Wow, Perry is killing them."
Her: "Huh? I was watching the dog breakdance on the floor."

Lost was on, but neither of us was watching it. I was more interested in the primary election results scrolling across the screen, and she was more preoccupied with the dog scratching her butt. Yep, Season 6 of Lost...

As someone else mentioned, and I completely agree, and I've had this view for years now - I don't think the writers had any clue what they were doing 3,4,5 years ago - they just threw junk at the wall and hoped something would stick. And now this is the result, just garbage.

Could not disagree more. It's abundantly clear to me that they have known all along what is going to happen. Maybe you're just not paying enough attention? :)

[DeToxRox]

I am rewatching every season as 6 goes along and frankly I am shocked at the little things mentioned early on that have been brought up so far in the final season. It was far more detailed then I remembered.

[OldGiants]

I think its all going to make sense at the end.

Remember season 1 Episode 3. When Locke was playing backgammon at the end and talking about the black and white pieces on it and then whisper something to Walt.

It could be important.

I'm betting the 'He's coming/he'll figure out how to get here' person Jacob referred to at the Lighthouse is Walt. Remember Ben telling the Losties 'We got so much more than we bargained for (with Walt)' when he put Michael and Walt on the boat? Well, so far they haven't gotten much of anything, so Walt as Jacob's replacement makes sense to me.

He was already able to jump around like Jacob, popping up here and there.

And he needs to reclaim Vincent, too.

[Chubby]

Could not disagree more. It's abundantly clear to me that they have known all along what is going to happen. Maybe you're just not paying enough attention? :)


+1

IF it's Walt, they'll need a new actor as old Walt is too big (or it will have to be a future Walt)

[OldGiants]

+1

IF it's Walt, they'll need a new actor as old Walt is too big (or it will have to be a future Walt)

We've already seen 'big' Walt when Ben was in NYC. Not sure why you think the actor is too old to come back.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Could not disagree more. It's abundantly clear to me that they have known all along what is going to happen. Maybe you're just not paying enough attention? :)

I just wanted to add to the chorus that where this is going does not in any way seem incongruous with the earlier seasons. They crashed on a very special island, which some people have committed themselves to defending. We are learning more about who is defending it, perhaps against what. The battle of good versus evil where the castaways are the pawns.

[Chubby]

What if in season 1 they did an extra filming scene of Walt and save it for later. Then for sure they knew what they were doing.

Certainly plausible

[Chubby]

We've already seen 'big' Walt when Ben was in NYC. Not sure why you think the actor is too old to come back.

It was something Damon/Carlton said, I personally don't care if they use the real Walt and just say he went thru a growth spurt the last 3 years...

[chesapeake]

Next week is a Ben episode, I believe.

About f-ing time. The writers seemed to have forgotten that Michael Emmerson won their show an Emmy last season, not Jack or Kate or any of the others. He has been woefully underused so far. He disappeared in the temple just after talking to Sayid, so I got the sense that he was up to something.

I find it hard to believe that Desmond -- who had all that set up in prior seasons with his unique ability to perceive time -- still doesn't have a role to play. My gut tells me that he is the one Jacob was referring to.

At some point, the writers have to give me some reason to side with Jacob in all of this. As it stands, he is just a secretive, manipulative, egotistical jackass. At least the MIB gives you some answers from time to time.

I was just starting to warm up to Mr. Miyagi.

[DanGarion]

Lost fans. Quick! Don't let Lost lose!

IR Greatest TV Show Tournament: Round 1, Bloc 5 - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=76980)

[spleen1015]

Some interesting things last night.

Welcome back, Charles.

[Swaggs]

I thought the episode was just okay by itself, but when you contrast it with the Sayid episode, the week before, it was really good. Both of their flash sideways storylines had them having to make an ethical choice w/ the results seemingly crossing over to their island storyline. Pretty cool to see that Sayid and Ben have ended up on "teams" that are different than we might have expected.

Looking forward to seeing what Richard can/will reveal. And, also, I had mentioned earlier that I thought that the Kwan on the list was Jin because Jacob had touched him in that wedding scene and, last night, Richard mentioned something about Jacob touching people being a blessing/curse.

Also, last night for a moment, for the first time I had the thought that the Locke in the flash sideways was Smokey, as he seemed to be pushing Ben in a certain direction. Probably nothing, but maybe something to keep an eye on.

[Pyser]

the sideways stories are basically coincidenceland right now to me. still feels like we are wasting 30 minutes where we could be doing more.

but i enjoyed bens episode. i definitely miss him being in control though. i mean, even when the crap was being beaten out of him in previous episodes, he still seemed in control. he seemed weak last night when anne newcia (no idea what her name is) tied him up to dig his grave.

[Thomkal]

I liked the last episode a little better than the others, and oddly enough I thought the very last scene was the most effective-the various survivors and Jacob allies hugging in the center with Richard and a very vulnerable Ben on the outskirts. You could tell Ben just wanted to go up to them and get hugged-he is such a good actor. And then of course there was the periscope...

I like the setup of the two sides and the likely battle that will ensue. But for the love of God, can you finally have Kate decide to go one way or the other and stay that way?

[Swaggs]

I liked the last episode a little better than the others, and oddly enough I thought the very last scene was the most effective-the various survivors and Jacob allies hugging in the center with Richard and a very vulnerable Ben on the outskirts. You could tell Ben just wanted to go up to them and get hugged-he is such a good actor. And then of course there was the periscope...

I like the setup of the two sides and the likely battle that will ensue. But for the love of God, can you finally have Kate decide to go one way or the other and stay that way?

I'm surprised that people are so down on Kate for this reason. I think that the gathering of sides is essentially what this season is about and that she is, and has been, somewhat of a wildcard all along. In the end, I expect her to go with Jack (she had the quote that, "I have always been with you" or something like that, last season, when he asked if she had his back), unless Jack makes a decision against it.

[Chubby]

I think Kate is just going along with them because everyone else is dead, when she sees Jack she'll be on his side.

The real question is what side is Widmore really on? I think he's going to the hydra station to fight on Jacob's side but not sure. Hopefully they explore that more next episode instead of doing the usual tease then skipping an episode (think MIB dragging Richard off and not seeing anything the next week)

[DeToxRox]

Apparently the March 23rd and May 4th episodes answer a majority of the remaining questions.

I know the 23rd episode is the one people are on pins and needles waiting for because of who it is about.

Spoiler below for who it is about.

It's a Richard episode

[spleen1015]

There is one episode where NONE of the series regulars will be in it.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Seems like people like the first batch of spoilered episode grades, so here are the rest through 6.16.


Spoiler Sources - Episode Scorecard - 6.10 - 6.16 | Lost Season 6 (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/03/spoiler-sources-episode-scorecard-610.html)

Episode Titles are divulged in that link, so that may spoil centricities.

6.10 - 8.7
6.11 - 7.2
6.12 - 9.1
6.13 - 6.5
6.14 - 9.3
6.15 - 8.8
6.16 - 7.8

[DataKing]

Losties, check out today's Teefury shirt (3/16): The Limited Edition Cheap T-Shirt, Gone in 24hours! | TeeFury (http://www.teefury.com/)

[chesapeake]

Redeemed Ben is a big snooze.

Who is the villian now? I think that I am supposed to believe that Locke is the bad guy because he just killed everyone in the temple. Other than Dogen to a very modest extent, I didn't give half a turd about anyone in the temple. To be honest, if I was faced with the choice of Locke and Jacob right now, I'd go with Locke. They're both a-holes, but at least Locke gives you a little information every now and then.

I was hoping that this episode would show Ben crafting up another Machiavellian scheme, but he went soft on us, and I think it is for real.

In my opinion, shows like this work best when there is a well-defined heel. Ben was absolutely outstanding in that role. Now there is no discernable bad guy. Absent that, who am I supposed to be rooting for? I find this all a little unsatisfying.

[BreizhManu]

this season sucks

they spent 5 seasons building up something great with widmore and all that, then in the last episode of the season turned it into jacob vs MIB.

then someone in the writers room had the brilliant idea to turn the flashbacks into CoincidenceLand, where absolutely nothing of note happens, except some history is changed and people bump into each other but dont know it. which essentially wastes half of every single episode.

i mean, we have 10 episodes left. sayid died and is now bad. claire, the nicest person on the show, is now evil (and horribly, horribly, HORRIBLY unconvincing). jack broke a mirror. jacob, who we didnt even know was real until 5 episodes ago, died. did i miss anything?

unless widmore and desmond come back, and maybe eloise, this season is a waste. they shouldve ended it last year.

prove me wrong, lost!

Couldn't agree more.

Last 2 episodes (Ben and Sawyer) have convinced me that it's just about what we saw in last season's finale : choice.

For me the alternate reality is "what would have happened if they had made a better choice in their life".

And so far it just sucks.

[sabotai]

The show is really losing me. I didn't mind the Kate episode that everyone seemed to hate, but this one was just painful to watch. The alternative storyline is just awful now. It was fine at first, how the characters casually bumped into each other at the airport or shortly after leaving.

But MIles and Sawyer are detectives and partners!? .......whatever.

[MrDNA]

But MIles and Sawyer are detectives and partners!? .......whatever.

Lost as a 70's buddy-cop movie! Cue the wah pedal and car chases!

[Brownkeg8]

The show is really losing me. I didn't mind the Kate episode that everyone seemed to hate, but this one was just painful to watch. The alternative storyline is just awful now. It was fine at first, how the characters casually bumped into each other at the airport or shortly after leaving.

But MIles and Sawyer are detectives and partners!? .......whatever.

Mentioned to my wife that the way this show is turning out after all the time invested, it is really making me rethink the initial investment in a similar type of ABC show Flash Forward. Just tired of all the stroking and no reward.

[Swaggs]

As much as I want to like and understand this season, I just don't get it. I'll still watch until the end and am eager to see how it resolves, but I'm just not getting the "flash sideways."

[sabotai]

Mentioned to my wife that the way this show is turning out after all the time invested, it is really making me rethink the initial investment in a similar type of ABC show Flash Forward. Just tired of all the stroking and no reward.

Flash Forward did look interesting, and I was thinking of watching the first several episodes, but I've been seeing the ads for the new "season" (2nd part of season 1 or whatever it is), and the guy at the end of the ad says "There's going to be another blackout.".....something about that makes me go "huh....that sounds a bit cheesy". I think I'll keep spending my TV watching time watching old episodes of Sliders and Dexter and wait on Flash Forward a bit longer before I watch it.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

It doesn't exactly generate discussion, but I'm loving this season for the most part, think it makes perfect sense with what we've seen so far, and am looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.

[Kodos]

Don't know if this is coincidence or not, but I've been re-reading Michael Crichton's autobiography, Travels, and I noticed that he referenced a man named Richard Alpert (later known as Ram Dass), a Harvard professor who ended up rejecting Western ideas in favor of Indian spirituality. Not sure if using his name was intentional, but guessing maybe it was.

Anyhow, here is the Wikipedia entry on him:

Ram Dass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Alpert)

Actually, further digging turned up this article about the character Richard Alpert:

Richard Alpert (Lost) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Alpert_%28Lost%29)


Richard shares his name with Richard Alpert, an Eastern-influenced writer and figure from the 1960s and 70s.[6] Lost producer Damon Lindelof confirmed that Richard is named after someone famous, but did not elaborate.[7]

[Honolulu_Blue]

I just burned through the last 3 episodes last night. I get behind.

I am still enjoying the ride. Some great stuff.

If the ending isn't all that great it will be somewhat disappointing, but the journey has been so enjoyable (for the most part) that I wont mind. It's the journey, not the destination.

[chesapeake]

Lost as a 70's buddy-cop movie! Cue the wah pedal and car chases!

I told my wife that I thought they were setting up the spinoff for the next season. I'd probably even watch it. Both actors have good comedic timing.

I enjoyed this episode a lot more than most this season. Terry O'Quinn is doing a great job.

[BishopMVP]

Terry O'Quinn is doing a great job.+1 Even if the ending disappoints, watching O'Quinn and Emerson has been worth it. "That's very insightful coming from a dead man." "Well, nobody's perfect." with that little smile of his.

[desmond108]

It is interesting to now go back and watch Season 1 episodes. Knowing more about Smokey, I cannot understand why he chose to kill the pilot in the Pilot episode, after he essentially had his pick of victims. In Season 6, we learn that nearby vegetation shows signs of being moved by a strong breeze in Smokey's presence. In the pilot episode, the vegetation at the Beach had similar signs of Smokey presence, yet he decided to leave the survivors alone, and then hunt down and massacre the pilot.

[DeToxRox]

It is interesting to now go back and watch Season 1 episodes. Knowing more about Smokey, I cannot understand why he chose to kill the pilot in the Pilot episode, after he essentially had his pick of victims. In Season 6, we learn that nearby vegetation shows signs of being moved by a strong breeze in Smokey's presence. In the pilot episode, the vegetation at the Beach had similar signs of Smokey presence, yet he decided to leave the survivors alone, and then hunt down and massacre the pilot.

I think he killed the pilot because he thought it was Lepedis.

[Draft Dodger]

welcome back, Lost!

[Swaggs]

Excellent episode with a lot of red meat for fans. :)

I'm still not 100% sure who is telling the truth (although I'm clearly leaning towards Jacob).

[PadresFan104]

Man, that episode delivered!!! Wow!! Carbonelle's performance was great.

[Dodgerchick]

We finally saw last week's episode and I'm losing patience real fast. I mean seriously, what the hell is going on? Who can we trust? Fake Lock? Ben? Charles? What the hell's going on with Sayid? Guess he went mad like whatsherface. Did Sawyer change his mind about Kate and now wants to do the nasty with her?

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!!

[Dodgerchick]

Oops, I accidently read PadresFan's post. Guess we find out why the guy never ages eh? At least that's what I'm assuming is gonna happen based on the Lost posts on Facebook.

[Landshark44]

I have to say, I kind of like this season. It makes me realize how much I hated the last few seasons. I didn't get the whole Dharma Initiative, Time-Warping thing, but i like the Good v Evil, Jacob v MIB angle......

[DataKing]

Last night's episode answered the biggest question for me. I finally feel like I really understand why.

[spleen1015]

Are you pleased with the answer?

[Swaggs]

Anyone else notice that the person that bought Richard was named Hanso?

[spleen1015]

Anyone else notice that the person that bought Richard was named Hanso?

Yep.

[DataKing]

Are you pleased with the answer?

Overall, I am, but I don't think it's as black-and-white as we've been led to believe.

[spleen1015]

Last night, MiB gives Richard the knife and tells him he has to stab Jacob before he speaks to him. The Japanese dude told Sayid the same thing about MiB when he sent him to kill him.

Yet Ben was able to kill Jacob after Jacob talked to him.

What's that all about?

[CleBrownsfan]

Last night, MiB gives Richard the knife and tells him he has to stab Jacob before he speaks to him. The Japanese dude told Sayid the same thing about MiB when he sent him to kill him.

Yet Ben was able to kill Jacob after Jacob talked to him.

What's that all about?

I was thinking the exact same thing...

[DeToxRox]

Last night, MiB gives Richard the knife and tells him he has to stab Jacob before he speaks to him. The Japanese dude told Sayid the same thing about MiB when he sent him to kill him.

Yet Ben was able to kill Jacob after Jacob talked to him.

What's that all about?

Isn't it because if they talk to him he is worried he will convince them not to do it? Ben is a heartless bastard so it didn't matter.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Also, Sayid did stab MiB. Is there any significance to that? Do you need to be pure to do it, and if so why would Dogen send him out then?

[Samdari]

Also, Sayid did stab MiB. Is there any significance to that? Do you need to be pure to do it, and if so why would Dogen send him out then?

It was pretty clear that Dogen sent Sayid to do that trying to get MiB to defend himself and kill Sayid.

[lordscarlet]

It was pretty clear that Dogen sent Sayid to do that trying to get MiB to defend himself and kill Sayid.

..or so MIB wants you to think.

Every "answer" is wrapped in a question.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Can MiB kill Sayid?

[Samdari]

..or so MIB wants you to think.

Dogen does not deny doing it when Sayid confronts him.

[Swaggs]

I thought it was cool to hear MiB say, "It's good to see you out of those chains." His Locke form said that to Richard last season, if I recall that correctly.

I also like that the MiB made Richard believe he was dead and in hell and raised that concept to the rest of the Losties, as that is what a lot of folks have been speculating for a long, long time.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I was under the impression that Sayid was a candidate, and that's why Dogen didn't just kill him himself. Dogen also knew MiB wouldn't kill him, though I imagine he had to suspect that Sayid would turn.

[OldGiants]

+1 Even if the ending disappoints, watching O'Quinn and Emerson has been worth it. "That's very insightful coming from a dead man." "Well, nobody's perfect." with that little smile of his.

That line reminded me of the ending to the classic movie "Some Like It Hot." It is what Joe E. Brown says to Jack Lemon.

[TargetPractice6]

Last night, MiB gives Richard the knife and tells him he has to stab Jacob before he speaks to him. The Japanese dude told Sayid the same thing about MiB when he sent him to kill him.

Yet Ben was able to kill Jacob after Jacob talked to him.

What's that all about?
And why did Jacob defend himself against Richard, but not Ben? Also did anyone else feel Jacob wasn't nearly as melancholy in this episode? Seems to me something must have happened before the 815 crash that made Jacob realize he was going to/had to die.

[Swaggs]

And why did Jacob defend himself against Richard, but not Ben? Also did anyone else feel Jacob wasn't nearly as melancholy in this episode? Seems to me something must have happened before the 815 crash that made Jacob realize he was going to/had to die.

Maybe because he was running out of candidates?

[Denial Of Freedom]

And why did Jacob defend himself against Richard, but not Ben? Also did anyone else feel Jacob wasn't nearly as melancholy in this episode? Seems to me something must have happened before the 815 crash that made Jacob realize he was going to/had to die.

I thought Miles, after holding Jacobs ashes, stated that up until the end he really did not think Ben was going to do it. So that is why he did not put up a fight, where as he probably sensed that Richard was going to kill him if he did not fight.

[BreizhManu]

Liked the episode, don't like the way the show is headed though.

[TargetPractice6]

I thought Miles, after holding Jacobs ashes, stated that up until the end he really did not think Ben was going to do it. So that is why he did not put up a fight, where as he probably sensed that Richard was going to kill him if he did not fight.Ah good point, I had forgotten about that. But didn't he say something along the lines that Jacob "hoped he was wrong about you"? It didn't seem like he was convinced Ben wouldn't kill him, but hoped he wouldn't for Ben's sake.

[kingfc22]

Finally saw the episode from Tuesday and it is by far the best episode in recent memory.

[Dodgerchick]

I actually liked it better than most of this season's episodes. If they keep going in this direction then it might actually be ok. It gets frustrating though when they keep introducing characters and leave others behind. Like Walt, what's up with him? What's he up to? I totally forgot that Michael was killed in season 4.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

The problem with Walt is they should have forseen the difficulties in making a child an important part of the mythology. I mean, the kid probably looks like Michael Oher at this point.

[DataKing]

We saw Walt briefly last season. Locke visited him.

[DeToxRox]

I read that Walt would not be on any of the remaining episodes. That ship has sailed apparently.

[Kodos]

Walter under the bridge, I guess.

The show does have a way of making important characters just disappear into obscurity.

[Dodgerchick]

Aww, that's too bad. I would liked to have seen them in the "alternate reality".

[Subby]

As long as they wrap up the Bai Ling story line...

[Kodos]

Where is Desmond these days?

[Dodgerchick]

Where is Desmond these days?

Yeah, that's what I was asking Antmeister last night. I forgot where they went with the story line.

[Kodos]

That's the downside with Lost. There are so many sidestories that you lose track of stuff over time. The best way to watch it would probably be to wait for the show to run its course, and then watch the whole thing over a short period on DVD.

[Samdari]

Where is Desmond these days?


The locked room of the sub!

[BreizhManu]

bah since the role was originally a minor one guess it got lost somewhere

the more I watch season 6 the less I think the writers had it all planed