Have You Heard About K2

[tarcone]

It is a legal herb that is a supposed incense. It comes in 5 flavors. It is a synthetic marijuana.
Same effects, but legal.
$35 for 3 grams.
Unfortunately, Kansas and Missouri lawmakers are up in arms. Want to criminalize it.
Do your own research. I bought some at a head shop today. :thumbsup:

[Scoobz0202]

Is the buzz the same as if you had really good weed?

[Logan]

So most of us have been right when we ask if you're high out of your fuckin mind. Cool!

[JediKooter]

So, you can smoke as much as you want, you won't get addicted to it and there's no hangover?

[Rizon]

I got 5 on it.

[ISiddiqui]

Jesus is K2. Allah is marijuana.

[Scoobz0202]

Googled it and found this:

Product review: Will K2 synthetic marijuana get you high? - Kansas City News - Plog (http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/11/product_review_will_k2_synthetic_marijuana_get_you_high.php)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hmm I guess this could explain the ghost sightings from the device
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/85334_f248.jpg

[Pumpy Tudors]

I thought K2 was a mountain.

[Passacaglia]

I got lurker some K2 for her birthday, but she still has time to return it and get some DX instead if she wants.

[Groundhog]

I thought K2 was a mountain.

Well, if you climb the K2 mountain you're going to be high as fuck, so yeah.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Some guy in a white hood showed up at my house and said he was affiliated with K3, but I had some Pizza Rolls in the microwave, so I didn't have time to talk with him.

At least I think he said K3... something like that.

[Passacaglia]

Some guy in a white hood showed up at my house and said he was affiliated with K3, but I had some Pizza Rolls in the microwave, so I didn't have time to talk with him.

At least I think he said K3... something like that.

You do realize that your pizza rolls did not start the fire, right?

[Comey]

I got 5 on it.

Luniz ftwmf

[Pumpy Tudors]

Oh.
Shit.

[I. J. Reilly]

Do you have any idea what the street value of this mountain is!

[Rizon]

I CAN'T MOVE MY RIGHT ARM.

[sovereignstar]

I just bought some. lol

[the_meanstrosity]

Do you have any idea what the street value of this mountain is!

:thumbsup:

[lungs]

might have to give this a try.... I've got a drawer full of Salvia that I ordered one night when I was drunk. I've done about every drug out there and fuck if I've never been as fucked up as I was on Salvia, a completely legal substance (in most places)

[Izulde]

I wouldn't mind trying this stuff.

[panerd]

It is a legal herb that is a supposed incense. It comes in 5 flavors. It is a synthetic marijuana.
Same effects, but legal.
$35 for 3 grams.
Unfortunately, Kansas and Missouri lawmakers are up in arms. Want to criminalize it.
Do your own research. I bought some at a head shop today. :thumbsup:

If the developers didn't contribute to any of the state politicians campaigns you can bet it will be illegal here quicker than I can respond to this thread. What about the children that might accidently walk into the head shop!!??!!??

EDIT: (And I almost forgot. Then it will go from "What the fuck is K2" to every kid having to "score" some of the K2. But prohibition has worked so well in the past so I guess I could be completely wrong)

[Recoil]

might have to give this a try.... I've got a drawer full of Salvia that I ordered one night when I was drunk. I've done about every drug out there and fuck if I've never been as fucked up as I was on Salvia, a completely legal substance (in most places)

Salvia is nothing to play around with. Those 3-5 minutes were absolutely terrifying.

[CU Tiger]

have to ask, would this pop on a piss test as THC?

[sovereignstar]

have to ask, would this pop on a piss test as THC?

No.

[Mustang]

Roy Stalin keeps wanting to race me down K12

[lungs]

Salvia is nothing to play around with. Those 3-5 minutes were absolutely terrifying.

I've found Salvia is best done drunk. When you are drunk you actually find it amusing that the world around is so completely fucked up.

Otherwise, yeah, it can be quite frightening. That's why I've got a bunch sitting in my drawer that I only do on odd occasions.

[stevew]

You do realize that your pizza rolls did not start the fire, right?

Which side did you fight on during the great Rock and Roller Cola war.

[sovereignstar]

If anyone is interested, I found a pretty lengthy article about a very similar product.

FT.com / Reportage - The story of Spice (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/1721e2da-f8a0-11dd-aae8-000077b07658.html)

[boberot]

Interesting:

Kansas distributor of pot-like substance called K2 arrested
The Associated Press

LAWRENCE - Authorities have raided a Kansas business that distributes a legal synthetic marijuana and charged the owner with eight felony drug offenses.

The charges Jonathan Sloan, 29, faces in Jefferson County District Court include unlawful manufacturing and distribution of controlled substances, such as mescaline and lysergic acid amide, which is related to LSD.

His business, Bouncing Bears Botanicals, had supplied a Lawrence store called Sacred Journey with a synthetic marijuana known as K2, along with other herbal products.

Both businesses were raided Thursday, and the marijuana-like substance was pulled off the shelves of Sacred Journey. Federal, state and local authorities also seized more than $700,000 in cash from Sloan's business and bank accounts.

Jefferson County Attorney Caleb Stegall said Sloan's arrest followed an investigation of a warehouse facility he owns in Oskaloosa, north of Lawrence.

Sloan's attorney, Scott Gyllenborg, said his client was operating a legitimate botanical plant business.

"These are remedies. These are items used in religious ceremonies that are legal, that can be put to illegal purposes," Gyllenborg said.

Authorities at the scene of the raids said the Food and Drug Administration was in charge of the investigation. An FDA spokesman said the agency does not publicly comment on active investigations.

Melissa Hart, who resigned as Sacred Journey store manager on Friday, said the store was careful to make sure the products it sold complied with state and federal laws.

"We had no knowledge of anything that was illegal," she said.

A preliminary hearing for Sloan is scheduled for April 13.

Although altered herbs sometimes known as "K2" or "Spice" are legal in Kansas, the Legislature is expected to get a bill to Gov. Mark Parkinson this session that would ban the synthetic marijuana.

A bill that won House approval this past week targets two chemicals that are sprayed or sprinkled as a powder on herbs, so that they can be smoked and produce a pot-like high. The Senate's bill is slightly different, and the two chambers must agree on a single version.

[tarcone]

Here we go. This is the ticket to the Supreme Court if the guy plays it right.
It may take a year but here comes legaliztion.

[markprior22]

So tarcone...when does your review come out?

[lungs]

Just ordered some.

[tarcone]

I enjoy it. I bought the Pink. I took 5 hits tonight at 6:30. I Got a very nice high. Very nice. I am about over it. There isnt a burnt out feeling. I am back to normal. No red eyes either.
It is expensive, but because it is legal so far, I am paying for that. I would maybe buy it once a month.
I really like it. and give it 41/2 out of 5 stars.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

What is it made of? It's synthetic? Like plastic or what? I don't know if I'd want to smoke something that I have no clue what it actually is...

[k0ruptr]

LMAO , I mentioned this to my girlfriend, and she is so fucking funny. so anti this kind of stuff, she got all worried and stressed like its illegal and I'll get in trouble, damn this woman is crazy. hahaha

[thesloppy]

I hope this stuff doesn't go illegal, forcing me to buy cheaper, more potent, and more readily available, actual weed.

[tarcone]

And non taxable, cheaper, more potent, and readily a vailble actual weed.
This new stuff is generating tax dollars already.

[thesloppy]

For the record, actual weed sold in dispensaries to hundreds of thousands of folks in California and Colarado ($200 mil plus annually) is all sold with a sales tax. Likewise, most of the medical cards in the 13 states that have medical marijuana laws on the book, require an annual fee that goes into state coffers, so in many states weed already is collecting taxes that I imagine exceed that which could ever hoped to be generated by the combined might of 'spice' or 'K2', by a magnitude of a thousand times.

...but I understand shit is decidedly different in most of america. That said, 'k2' and 'Spice' are not going to be responsible for 'changing the game' legally because that change is and has pretty much already happening on the west coast....you know weed is being sold by the bushel in cornerside stores in California and Colorado, right? Hell, you can have it delivered by a multitude of vendors, even organizations purporting to be non-profit and sharing their revenues (http://www.spcdelivery.com/, http://www.artistsforaccess.org/home.html)

[MrBug708]

I thought K2 was a mountain.

I thought it was the Widowmaker

[tarcone]

For the record, actual weed sold in dispensaries to hundreds of thousands of folks in California and Colarado ($200 mil plus annually) is all sold with a sales tax. Likewise, most of the medical cards in the 13 states that have medical marijuana laws on the book, require an annual fee that goes into state coffers, so in many states weed already is collecting taxes that I imagine exceed that which could ever hoped to be generated by the combined might of 'spice' or 'K2', by a magnitude of a thousand times.

...but I understand shit is decidedly different in most of america. That said, 'k2' and 'Spice' are not going to be responsible for 'changing the game' legally because that change is and has pretty much already happening on the west coast....you know weed is being sold by the bushel in cornerside stores in California and Colorado, right? Hell, you can have it delivered by a multitude of vendors, even organizations purporting to be non-profit and sharing their revenues (http://www.spcdelivery.com/, http://www.artistsforaccess.org/home.html)

This is true. I was just saying that this is the type of thing that raises awareness and Kansas is a hotbed for supreme court battles that change the face of America.
I know K2 and Spice wont change the legalization, but there is now a legit product out there. The lawmakers are going to look towards Cali and see the millions upon millions of dollars this product can generate. The lawmakers would be stupid to miss out on this opportunity that is presenting itself in a recession.
I heard that if Cali legalized pot, it would generate $900 million. That would pull many states out of some dire economic straights.

[markprior22]

Kind of off topic here but I wonder what pot legalization in this country would mean for the smaller countries that are known suppliers of much of the marijuana that comes in to the U.S.? If legal, I imagine companies would surface in the U.S. to grow/supply pot (like tobacco companies).

Is there a possibility that leaders (i.e. warlords) of some of these countries influence difference makers in our government to keep pot illegal so they can keep making profits?

I know there are other drugs that would still be smuggled in but it seems like some of these illegal suppliers could take quite a hit if pot were legalized.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Kind of off topic here but I wonder what pot legalization in this country would mean for the smaller countries that are known suppliers of much of the marijuana that comes in to the U.S.? If legal, I imagine companies would surface in the U.S. to grow/supply pot (like tobacco companies).

Is there a possibility that leaders (i.e. warlords) of some of these countries influence difference makers in our government to keep pot illegal so they can keep making profits?

I know there are other drugs that would still be smuggled in but it seems like some of these illegal suppliers could take quite a hit if pot were legalized.

There's a lot of things that could be taxed in this country that should be considered that aren't right now. Legalized pot and online poker are just a couple of things that would produce some more income. Instead, we let all the money go overseas while stomping on our supposed moral high ground. It's insane.

[albionmoonlight]

I heard that if Cali legalized pot, it would generate $900 million. That would pull many states out of some dire economic straights.

I am for ending marijuana prohibition. However, I wonder if it will be the economic boom that people predict. It seems easy to regulate and tax the heck out of alcohol because, with a very few exceptions, people cannot easily make their own beer and wine with any sort of quality or with any sort of cost-effectiveness. I pay my tax on my six-packs b/c it is easier, cheaper, and better beer than I would get through home brewing.

Marijuana, however, seems much easier for someone to grow themselves (or for their dorm-mates or whatever) and avoid having to go through the taxed channels. And the higher you make the taxes, the more people will start going that route.

And, if the answer there is to make it legal to buy and sell, but illegal to grow and share, then you have the same problems with it being an expensive problem to police as well as one more reason the police have to bang down the doors of folks that they don't like.

I don't smoke pot, so my assumption about it being easy to grow might be totally off. If, however, I am not wrong, then I am not sure that the "We will raise billions in tax revenue" argument will really be born out.

[markprior22]

Instead, we let all the money go overseas while stomping on our supposed moral high ground. It's insane.

I guess this was part of my question. Are we letting money go overseas or are certain people/groups getting a nice kickback from those governments that are going into private pockets rather than the public coffers? If true, those people are probably quite happy with the status quo and just hide behind the moral curtain.

[MrDNA]

I am for ending marijuana prohibition. However, I wonder if it will be the economic boom that people predict. It seems easy to regulate and tax the heck out of alcohol because, with a very few exceptions, people cannot easily make their own beer and wine with any sort of quality or with any sort of cost-effectiveness. I pay my tax on my six-packs b/c it is easier, cheaper, and better beer than I would get through home brewing.

...

I don't smoke pot, so my assumption about it being easy to grow might be totally off.

I can tell you also don't brew beer. It's not any harder than baking bread and other than the outlay for the initial equipment it ends up being significantly cheaper than buying pre-brewed stuff (depending on your tastes, of course - I think Natty Light might still be cheaper). Quality would really be the only variable element; if you start experimenting with your own recipes you might make a mess, just like with any other thing.

With that peptalk out of the way, it's time for you to start homebrewing! And, what the heck, grow some pot while you're at it.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

If pot were legal I think that many more would prefer to go to the corner store to buy some than grow their own. It's not the easiest thing in the world, especially if you are trying for quality.

[thesloppy]

On growing:

A) Most casual users aren't going to put in the effort, and don't forget that deciding to grow weed doesn't present you with fantastic, tasty weed buds immediately upon making that decision, it can easily take 6 months to get from seed to first harvest, and if this is your first harvest the chances that the results of said harvest are going to be anything close to successful are small. It's a lot like asking why everyone doesn't grow their own tomatoes...they would (eventually) be fresher, cheaper and better quality then what you get at the store, so why don't you? The answer is probably pretty obviously: convenience, and if that holds true for 99% of the tomato eaters in the world, it probably applies to pot smokers.

B) Growing marijuana requires quality soil, nutrients, lights, pots, fans, and lots of electricity....at the very least. People growing under the MMJ act may not be purchasing dispensary-sold marijuana, and thereby seemingly avoiding sales taxes, but all of the components they are using to do so are also covered by sales tax (and a butt-load of energy taxes), and in most of those cases those revenues are going into local hands. And they're also still paying annual MMJ card fees. Growing weed generates plenty of taxes and revenue as well, just not as obviously or directly.

[DaddyTorgo]

On growing:

A) Most casual users aren't going to put in the effort, and don't forget that deciding to grow weed doesn't present you with fantastic, tasty weed buds immediately upon making that decision, it can easily take 6 months to get from seed to first harvest, and if this is your first harvest the chances that the results of said harvest are going to be anything close to successful are small. It's a lot like asking why everyone doesn't grow their own tomatoes...they would (eventually) be fresher, cheaper and better quality then what you get at the store, so why don't you? The answer is probably pretty obviously: convenience, and if that holds true for 99% of the tomato eaters in the world, it probably applies to pot smokers.

B) Growing marijuana requires quality soil, nutrients, lights, pots, fans, and lots of electricity....at the very least. People growing under the MMJ act may not be purchasing dispensary-sold marijuana, and thereby seemingly avoiding sales taxes, but all of the components they are using to do so are also covered by sales tax (and a butt-load of energy taxes), and in most of those cases those revenues are going into local hands. And they're also still paying annual MMJ card fees. Growing weed generates plenty of taxes and revenue as well, just not as obviously or directly.

you sound like someone in the know

[thesloppy]

you sound like someone in the know

I've had an Oregon MMJ card for years, and they practically force growing education on you. I don't grow myself, but I would need more hands to count the number of folks I know who do.

[DaddyTorgo]

I've had an Oregon MMJ card for years, and they practically force growing education on you. I don't grow myself, but I would need more hands to count the number of folks I know who do.
aaah - well that explains that!!

[tarcone]

I went into a head shop outside an army base. They had about 10 diffeent types of herbal incense.
Interesting.

[lungs]

This. stuff. works.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

This. stuff. works.

"Go milk the cows yourself, you jackass! I'm busy smokin'!"

[lungs]

"Go milk the cows yourself, you jackass! I'm busy smokin'!"

I tried it last night! :)

For about 20 minutes I remembered what it was like to smoke weed when I was 15 years old.

[markprior22]

Only 20 min?

[lungs]

Only 20 min?

Well, the most intense part of it. It's not like it completely wore off. Not sure how long it lasted as I ended up going to bed.

[sovereignstar]

Just got my k2 blonde today. Will give it a test run later tonight.

[sovereignstar]

This. stuff. works.

What specifically did you end up buying?

[lungs]

What specifically did you end up buying?

K2 Summit

[sovereignstar]

aw shucky ducky.. quack quack

Me likes. 1 pinchie and I'm feeling goody good.

[thesloppy]

aw shucky ducky.. quack quack

It has been a while since I heard someone reference the comedy stylings of Shucky Ducky.

[lungs]

It works but I get too damned drowsy afterwards.

[Schmidty]

Is this stuff only a smokable substance?

[sovereignstar]

Stuff has been temporarily (not long before permanent I'm sure) banned from North Dakota.

[tarcone]

Still available in Missouri. In fact I have seen about 7 different brands now.

[Greyroofoo]

I've known several people who blow their whole paychecks on this stuff.

[lungs]

By the end of my 3g, it didn't do a whole lot for me anymore. Probably won't be getting anymore.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just because I remembered this thread, I'll mention that K2 is now illegal in Georgia after a bi-partisan bill was signed by the governor today. The bill had passed the state house 148-2 and the state senate 48-0.

[lungs]

Illegal to sell or possess or both?

[tarcone]

Missouri passed that law also. But it didnt get enough votes to make it immediate. The law goes into effect August 28th.

[tarcone]

Update on the synthetic stuff.

The laws passed mean nothing. The makers change the ingredients. So the 4 chemicals or however many are banned, the makers just go around it.

I can still get it at the head shop. Cloud9 manufactures it. The stuff they are putting out now is powerful. 1 hit and your are very buzzed. 2 hits and you are stumbling around. 3 hits and you start to hallucinate. 4 hits and you are comatose.

We also had the bath salts. These were similar to coke and/or ecstasy. Several people have died and several have gone insane. I havent and wont try those.

[JediKooter]

Hey, 3 day weekend coming up...do I sense a weekend long party in the near future?

[lungs]

The bath salts sound fucked. No.fucking.way would I snort any of that. Though I'm not opposed to those that want to. Some of these new chemicals they brew up could very well have unknown or undesirable side affects either short and long term. Traditional illicit drugs have had millions of users over the course of time and the side effects are pretty well known.

Seems like heroin is the new big thing in my neck of the woods. It's pretty common for people to pass out driving on heroin around Madison. We were cleaning out a former employee's house when we found a stash of needles which sure weren't cow sized needles that we use on the farm. He had had knee surgery the year before and that probably started him on the opiate track. Not sure if he was using heroin or cooking up some of the legal heroin that doctors these days are so quick to prescribe.

[sovereignstar v2]

I don't think all the laws that were passed mean nothing. Looks like it depends on the wording in each state's bills.

K2 Incense™ Laws and Legalities (http://www.k2incense.com/k2-legality.html)

[Noop]

Meh. I prefer the illegal stuff.

[JediKooter]

Anyone into cheezing?

[CU Tiger]

Meh. I prefer the illegal stuff.

not sure how widely I'd publicize that statement with your stated career goals and such.....

[tarcone]

I don't think all the laws that were passed mean nothing. Looks like it depends on the wording in each state's bills.

K2 Incense™ Laws and Legalities (http://www.k2incense.com/k2-legality.html)

My favorite part: Currently none of our products have ANY of these synthetic compounds in them.

These guys are chemical engineers. I dont think they are like your run-of-the-mill Meth maker.

Heroin is a big problem in our area as well. The county I live in used to be the Meth capital of the world. We were featured on 20-20 years ago. Now the police tell me Heroin is surpassing Meth in our area. Last summer the police found a body in her car with the needle still stuck in her arm, dead. Herion is scary stuff.

[Noop]

not sure how widely I'd publicize that statement with your stated career goals and such.....

True.

[lungs]

True.

Bah, I'd still hire you.