OOTP Weekend Sale, Save 50% +++ iOOTP announced +++ OOTP Final Patch Released

[Markus Heinsohn]

Hey guys,

we have some great OOTP-related news to share:
OOTP Newsletter - OOTP 11 weekend special, 50% off - save $20! iOOTP announced! OOTP 11 final update released! (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/newsletters/nl0068/)

We have just lowered the price for OOTP 11 to just $19.99, this special offer lasts through Sunday, August 29th! So if you haven't purchased OOTP 11 yet (or your online league hasn't updated), this is the perfect time.

Further, we have announced the development of iOOTP, coming Spring 2011 for iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad. We've hired a full time programmer who is already at work, converting OOTP into a great baseball simulation game for the mentioned Apple devices.

Further, the final OOTP 11 patch, version 11.2.23 has just been released. You can find the download links in the newsletter :)

All the best and thanks for listening!
Markus

[Peregrine]

Great news Markus - this version of OOTP is really fantastic, and at half price you can't beat it. Plus I can't wait for the iPad version!

[CleBrownsfan]

Pretty stoked to hear about iOOTP.

[vex]

Awesome, will definitely be buying tonight.

[stevew]

Will iOOTP be compatable with OOTP? So league managers can export from their phones, etc? And as a commish, will i be able to run a league from an iPad?

[Alan T]

Will iOOTP be compatable with OOTP? So league managers can export from their phones, etc? And as a commish, will i be able to run a league from an iPad?


No, iOOTP is not compatible with OOTP. iOOTP is smaller so it is able to run on the iphone and thus not the same game as OOTP is.

I've been busy with work for the past few months so not fully in the loop, but I think this is the correct answer at least.

[Sgran]

what's the euro price?

[Ryan S]

what's the euro price?

$19.99, or just under €17. I assume you get charged in dollars, so you might get stung with currency conversion fees.

[vex]

And off I go. Goodbye, weekend.

[MizzouRah]

Great news Markus - this version of OOTP is really fantastic, and at half price you can't beat it. Plus I can't wait for the iPad version!

I agree, ootp 11 is the best version to date.

I really love this baseball cards some of these great modders come up with!

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4769/stephenstrasburg2011.png

[Young Drachma]

iOOTP will be interesting to see.

[tarcone]

When will iOOTP be available?

[MizzouRah]

When will iOOTP be available?

Spring 2011 I believe.

[Alan T]

I agree, ootp 11 is the best version to date.

I really love this baseball cards some of these great modders come up with!

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4769/stephenstrasburg2011.png


I love that old looking one. If I remember right, looks like a mid-60s, mid-70s topps style?

I've been using this one in our Online league, it looks like the upper deck cards when I was in school

http://www.fool-x.net//foolx/reports/html/images/bb_cards/kien-lung_teng_2020_inducted_to_hall_of_fame.png

[EagleFan]

Fuck the iCrap!!!

Droid!!!

Droid!!!!

Droid!!!!


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Oh, and it looks like I was a week too early picking it up, but I picked up the CD version on an impulse buy at Best Buy. I have to say, I am liking the game so far. First time getting OOTP in a couple releases and I am liking what I see so far.

[stevew]

I wonder if the career killing ribcage injury is in this one.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Did the scouting/drafting ever get fixed?

Well, it works well in V11. No complaints as far as I know :)

[Markus Heinsohn]

I wonder if the career killing ribcage injury is in this one.

Never heard of that one... so the answer is probably 'no'.

[Marc Vaughan]

Fuck the iCrap!!!
Droid!!!
Droid!!!!
Droid!!!!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
A simple fact of life is that the Droid based phones aren't amazingly viable as a platform for selling software on at present - I've investigated it for FMHi and the piracy rates are incredible on them due to Googles current policies.

This is for FMHi which is a fairly mainstream product (in Europe) compared to OOTP which is (at present) still a niche game.

Add to this the fact that Droid uses Java as its language for development (you can integrate C++ into it but its not particularly efficient from what I hear) and the fact that it has a very fragmented handset range .... thus it'd be a LOT more work for Markus to consider the Droid.

I'm sure he will in due course if the iPhone game is a success, but for an initial platform I think he's made the right choice imho.

Oh, andit looks like I was a week too early picking it up, but I picked up the CD version on an impulse buy at Best Buy. I have to say, I am liking the game so far. First time getting OOTP in a couple releases and I am liking what I see so far.
Fantastic to hear that - had wondered what had happened to the CD based release as I haven't seen it around here :D

[Terps]

No Android, no care.

[Sgran]

$19.99, or just under €17. I assume you get charged in dollars, so you might get stung with currency conversion fees.

An unwise assumption. Apparently you're new to OOTP. In the past the dollar price was also the euro price (meaning you, like me, even though we're not in the euro zone, would pay the equivalent of 19 euro).

[Young Drachma]

Yeah, I was tripped out to see the game for sale at Best Buy in Vermont this summer.

[path12]

OK, finally picked this up. So what mods do I need?

[Peregrine]

Personally I don't do much modding at all - in the game if you go to the Add-ons page it will bring in the main mod pages and mods automatically and you can choose which to use. The All-in-one MLB quickstart thing (forget it's official name) is definitely worth it, and there's a great historical photo pack if you want to play historical games.

[WSR]

Is it worth the upgrade from OOTP X? I haven't played it for a while, so I'm not convinced if I would play this version.

[Greyroofoo]

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[Young Drachma]

Is it worth the upgrade from OOTP X? I haven't played it for a while, so I'm not convinced if I would play this version.

Yes, it's worth it. Especially at this price. It's the best version of the game ever released and that's not hyperbole, it's seriously the version I've managed the most gameplay out of since 6.5 and it's light years ahead of where we were in those days and an upgrade over 10.

[mauchow]

I dropped $20.00. Hopefully it will suck me in like 5 and 6. I would love to join a baseball league again and actually enjoy it...and make trades... haven't done that in almost 4 years.

[vex]

Any idea why I would have received a trade offer on 8/11 if the trade deadline is 7/31?

[Poli]

Waiver trade, vex.

[vex]

I've been away from any baseball for a while, thanks.

[MizzouRah]

I love that old looking one. If I remember right, looks like a mid-60s, mid-70s topps style?

I've been using this one in our Online league, it looks like the upper deck cards when I was in school

http://www.fool-x.net//foolx/reports/html/images/bb_cards/kien-lung_teng_2020_inducted_to_hall_of_fame.png

Nice!

The one I use is a 1973 Topps.

[MizzouRah]

OK, finally picked this up. So what mods do I need?

The All in one is a must for MLB style playing.

I also use the Topps 1973 baseball card template and there is a rating bars mod that scales the colors instead of just one solid color.

Oh, and there is a sound mod for when I play a game that gets rid of the sound going up really high at times.

[Swaggs]

I bought for the first time since the first SI version (whatever came after 6.5).

I have played through two seasons with the Pirates and have found it to be a pretty good combination of fun, challenging, and pretty solid with statistics. I did have to turn the injuries way, way down because I like to quick sim and there were just way too many significant (longer than DTD or a week) injuries that were slowing things down. It still feels just a bit too complex/laborsome for me, but I figure some of that is the learning curve and that I can customize things after I figure them out a little better.

I really like the draft element now. I can see how that could be a lot of fun for online leagues (w/ the way that some human owners mismanage money, they could really have to settle for lesser but signable picks). With the free agent compensation, even though I haven't had a Type A or B player yet since I'm using the Pirates, I can see how that would be a good/fun element for online leagues, too (There is now some incentive to hold on to or aquire useful players rather than just prospect dump or sell to the highest bidder).

All in all, I like the progress quite a bit.

[Swaggs]

One minor suggesting.

Since I prefer GMing to micromanaging (I build the roster and let the manager set the lineups and rotation/staffs), I enjoy building my coaching staff. I would like to see a coaching history or resume for all the personnel, rather than just the manager.

For example, if you are grooming a bench coach to become manager, it would be nice to know his experience/pedigree. Or, if you have a guy like Bobby Cox, who has been a coach, GM, and manager, that would be nice to see.

[Peregrine]

One minor suggesting.

Since I prefer GMing to micromanaging (I build the roster and let the manager set the lineups and rotation/staffs), I enjoy building my coaching staff. I would like to see a coaching history or resume for all the personnel, rather than just the manager.

For example, if you are grooming a bench coach to become manager, it would be nice to know his experience/pedigree. Or, if you have a guy like Bobby Cox, who has been a coach, GM, and manager, that would be nice to see.

I'd love to see the same thing Swaggs - I enjoy reading the managerial histories but there is a big gap when a guy may have been a pitching coach for 10 years which went unrecorded before he became a manager.

[terpkristin]

Enjoy iFM as it were, looking forward to getting introduced to OOTP with iOOTP

/tk

[mckerney]

Meh, let us know where there's an Android version.

[Pumpy Tudors]

HAY GUYS ANYONE KNOW IF THERE'S AN ANDROID VERSION

[MJ4H]

what the hell is that some kind of iphone ripoff???

[samifan24]

At some point you have got to get the minor leagues right on this thing. Once again the Southern League is the higher rated A league over the Carolina League even though Southern League is Low A and Carolina League is High A.

This is the kind of detail that I know has been discussed at the OOTP forums since the increase in minor league depth and still hasn't been addressed. Sooner or later you need to make a Low A and High A distinction and actually get those things right.

The Southern League is AA.

[Young Drachma]

I thought waiver trades were frozen in September. Are they completely frozen or is it just that those players aren't eligible for the post season?

Trades can still happen, it's just they're not eligible for post-season play after August 31st.

[MizzouRah]

Went ahead and made the purchase. Downloading the all-in-one mod. Where do I find the card packs etc.?

There is a mod thread over at the ootp forums that has them or you can get them from PadresFan mod website.

Padresfan's Mod Website (http://web.mac.com/sixwilsons/PFMPortal/Padresfans_Mod_Website.html)

[korme]

anyone in any good online leagues?

[Tasan]

anyone in any good online leagues?

The Front Office Offseason League (FOFC's OOTP House League) - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=68)

Fast sim is the place to be. Come join the FOOL!

[Young Drachma]

2013 season and I've got prospects randomly duplicating on my roster. Add that to getting low A/high A split as things that are making $20 seem a bit much. Compensation for Type A and B free agents is also running according to an old system. Nothing later than 2nd round picks exchange these days. The A ball and draft compensation things are deal breakers for a MLB simulation.

I suspect you'd get more attention if you posted over at OOTP and let people know what you're having problems with, because I'm almost certain you're not the first person to quibble about these specific things.

[lighthousekeeper]

2013 season and I've got prospects randomly duplicating on my roster. Add that to getting low A/high A split as things that are making $20 seem a bit much. Compensation for Type A and B free agents is also running according to an old system. Nothing later than 2nd round picks exchange these days. The A ball and draft compensation things are deal breakers for a MLB simulation.

sometimes players will appear twice on a roster but it is purely a display problem and not a 'double storage' issue. your other complaint about compensation for FA seems incredibly minor.

[Swaggs]

Still playing and enjoying this. It feels like it is the right combination of simulation and game. I haven't played OOTP, in depth like this, since 6.5 (although I bought later versions, I found them too burdensome to set up and get started to enjoy -- ie: it would take me so long to get the league set up, I wouldn't feel like playing it afterwards).

A couple of cool things:

I lead the Pirates to their first winning season (while remaining profitable) in 20-seasons w/ ~86 wins in my second season. The third season, we had some injuries and backslid and I got fired in early September (the team bounced back, got healthy, and still finished 82-80 which met the owner's expectation of .500). I held out until the end of the MLB season, despite numerous minor league job offers, and got offers from the Phillies, Mets, and White Sox. I took the White Sox because I liked the combination of owner, weaker division rivals, and their payroll. So far, I won the weak AL Central with 86-wins in the first season and then we had 101 wins in year two. Going from a budget of about $75-million to $180-million really makes a difference. :)

The league expanded last season, with the Charlotte Ocean and San Antonio (can't remember their nickname). Pretty cool.

I've also had a few minor, "random" rule changes and one that had a big impact: free agency after 5-years of big league service time (rather than six) and a few other minor changes. Pretty cool to see the league evolving, on its own, with time. Especially for a quick simmer like myself.

[Peregrine]

One change in a recent update is that in the History section you can view a screen which will show you all the rule changes over the years - once you've run 40 or 50 years it's interesting to see how much has changed.

Personally I love this game - I bought OOTP 10 and rarely played it but 11 has really hit my sweet spot. I don't run a team, I don't care about that aspect - I love just setting up fictional leagues, running in commissioner mode, following players and just watching history play out.

There are so many fantastic tools for this style of play - I love how you can go into the team history pages and see the season and career team leaders, as well as who played which positions on the team in each year, and it's all linked together so you can easily find out, for example, who were the keys that started a team on a four straight year World Series domination.

Awesomeness for the pure stats geek.

[Poli]

Starting in the minors...sucks. I've had absolutely no talent on any team and keep getting fired. lol

[Swaggs]

One change in a recent update is that in the History section you can view a screen which will show you all the rule changes over the years - once you've run 40 or 50 years it's interesting to see how much has changed.

Personally I love this game - I bought OOTP 10 and rarely played it but 11 has really hit my sweet spot. I don't run a team, I don't care about that aspect - I love just setting up fictional leagues, running in commissioner mode, following players and just watching history play out.

There are so many fantastic tools for this style of play - I love how you can go into the team history pages and see the season and career team leaders, as well as who played which positions on the team in each year, and it's all linked together so you can easily find out, for example, who were the keys that started a team on a four straight year World Series domination.

Awesomeness for the pure stats geek.

Sweet. Thanks for the tip on the history. I'm having trouble navigating through all the screens to find things (not that I'm complaining, I love that there is this much content). I just recently completed my fifth draft (3 with the Pirates and 2 with the White Sox) and it took me forever to find out where to find draft logs (they were in the almanac), so that I could check to see how well I did in my first draft (not well, but I had a cheap scout with my cheap organization -- although I did jack our international budget up and see that two of the signees are big contributors for the current Pirates. :) )

[Swaggs]

Starting in the minors...sucks. I've had absolutely no talent on any team and keep getting fired. lol

I've never tried it, but that was why I was holding out for the big league job after getting fired. I enjoy the roster building aspect more than the field managment, so I don't think I would like not having any control over my roster.

[Peregrine]

Sweet. Thanks for the tip on the history. I'm having trouble navigating through all the screens to find things (not that I'm complaining, I love that there is this much content). I just recently completed my fifth draft (3 with the Pirates and 2 with the White Sox) and it took me forever to find out where to find draft logs (they were in the almanac), so that I could check to see how well I did in my first draft (not well, but I had a cheap scout with my cheap organization -- although I did jack our international budget up and see that two of the signees are big contributors for the current Pirates. :) )

One thing to keep in mind is that you can bookmark any screen (there is a drop down menu at the top left, the little book icon.) It makes things MUCH easier for screens you commonly use, since it hotkeys them and you can just press F3 for your player shortlist, F4 for roster, F6 for draft log, or whatever.

[Ksyrup]

Personally I love this game - I bought OOTP 10 and rarely played it but 11 has really hit my sweet spot. I don't run a team, I don't care about that aspect - I love just setting up fictional leagues, running in commissioner mode, following players and just watching history play out.


This aspect of the game is the only thing that's kept me coming back, but this year I just lost interest in even that part of it. I realized that I never truly enjoyed this game playing out seasons (i don't like how FA works and I hate the way the roster moves/lineups/rotations are set up - very user-unfriendly and tedious, IMO), and now that my interest in simming and going over stats has waned, I think OOTP11 is my last purchase in this franchise. I probably spent 10-15 hours with this game in the first couple of weeks and never wanted to go back to it.

[Ksyrup]

Receiving a 3rd round pick instead of a 1st round pick seems minor? That's been the MLB rule for nearly a decade now, there's no excuse for that not to be part of the game.

It should be correct, but labeling it a deal-breaker is pretty silly.

[BishopMVP]

In my game it is still working. I just got an extra 1st and a 4th in 2015 along with 2 supplementals, and I got an extra 1st last year for not signing a pick. Maybe you're getting a 2nd because the signing team is in the top 15, or they signed a different, higher-ranked type A.

If the Carolina League being below the South Atlantic on the minor league totem pole is really a dealbreaker, then I suggest you mod it or build a game yourself, because you're always going to find something that small wrong.

[Ksyrup]

That's true - didn't someone get screwed out of a 1st round pick 2 years ago when the Yankees signed every FA and their mother? I don't remember who it was (Toronto for Burnett? Anaheim for Tex? Milwaukee for Sabathia?), but they ended up with a much lower pick than they expected when they offered arbitration.

[Swaggs]

In my game it is still working. I just got an extra 1st and a 4th in 2015 along with 2 supplementals, and I got an extra 1st last year for not signing a pick. Maybe you're getting a 2nd because the signing team is in the top 15, or they signed a different, higher-ranked type A.

If the Carolina League being below the South Atlantic on the minor league totem pole is really a dealbreaker, then I suggest you mod it or build a game yourself, because you're always going to find something that small wrong.

I suspect this is the HiFi's problem. The "offending" team probably just signed a higher profile Type A player (or signed one prior to signing another one) and had already forfeited its pick.

I've played about 4 or 5 offseasons now and this happened to me last season. I lost a Type A and got a supplemental first and Boston's 3rd rounder b/c they were in the top half of the draft and had already surrendered their #2.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah, that's the deal - because the Yankees had signed Sabathia, Burnett, and Tex, whatever team it was got a ridiculously low draft pick because of the picks the Yankees surrendered for those 3 guys.

[Ksyrup]

Not so simple...

From keith law's blog several years ago, but I don't believe the rules have changed:

If a team signs more than one Type A free agent, its picks are parceled out to the "losing" clubs in an order determined by the ratings of the free agents the team signed. For example, Baltimore signed Baez, whose rating was 69.810, and Chad Bradford, whose rating was 62.890. Since Baltimore's first-round pick was protected, the Orioles lost their second-round pick to Atlanta (for Baez) and then their third-round pick to the Mets (for Bradford). If, however, the Orioles were to sign a Type A free agent with a rating higher than Baez's rating, then that player's former club would get Baltimore's second-round pick and Atlanta and the Mets would get the O's third- and fourth-round picks respectively.

Explaining Type A, B free agents - ESPN (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=law_keith&id=2678840)

[Ksyrup]

That's not hard to figure out and it doesn't involve 3rd, 4th or any other round of picks.


Wrong. See above for a situation that would involve those picks.

[Ksyrup]

New CBA in 2008? Dude, please refrain from stating as fact something that has no basis in reality (which seems to be your MO on this board).

Point 1:

Manfred negotiates these kinds of terms with the Major League Baseball Players Association. The current Basic Agreement, agreed upon after the 2006 season, doesn't expire until Dec. 31, 2011.

Point 2:


When the Yankees agreed to terms with free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira on an eight-year, $180 million deal Tuesday, it cost the Brewers an extra first-round pick in the amateur draft next June.

Teixeira was rated slightly higher than CC Sabathia among Class A free agents in the Elias Sports Bureau rankings, which determine free-agent compensation for their former clubs. Using a much-debated statistical formula covering the past two seasons, Elias gave Teixeira a ranking of 98.889, compared to 98.110 for Sabathia.

Accordingly, Teixeira's former club, the Los Angeles Angels, will receive a first-round pick in 2009 from the Yankees as compensation, and the Brewers will receive New York's second-round selection. Both clubs also will receive a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds as compensation for losing the free agents.

Teixeira was the only Class A free agent with a higher ranking than Sabathia, who signed with the Yankees for seven years and $161 million. The Angels will pick in the No. 26 spot in the first round next June in place of New York.

"It's not so much the system of compensation as the Elias rankings that we have problems with," said Brewers assistant general manager Gord Ash. "When those rankings come out every year, you scratch you head at how some of the players are ranked."

And imagine how the Toronto Blue Jays feel about losing free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett to the Yankees. They now receive New York's third-round pick as compensation because Burnett (89.729) is ranked lower than both Teixeira and Sabathia by Elias.

[Peregrine]

Spending more time with it shows that there is no distinction on the A league level. That makes no sense as there's a clear delineation between the Carolina/California/Florida State leagues (A+, A Advanced, high A, whatever) and the South Atlantic/Midwest leagues. I know this has been brought up repeatedly to Markus and am surprised that it still hasn't been fixed.

To build a team with any sense of realism you can't have integral steps that don't work.

I'm not trying to get involved in the argument, because I'm sure you're right - all I know is that in a dynasty I was working on with minor league players, they would be promoted and demoted correctly between the various A level teams, even though there might not be any obvious distinction between them. I would watch them play well and get bumped up to a team that I checked on the web, is actually a higher level A team, or the reverse. So I don't know but maybe this is worked into the game dynamics somehow.

[Ksyrup]

What, do some research before opening your mouth? Wow, what a concept.

[BishopMVP]

Spending more time with it shows that there is no distinction on the A league level. That makes no sense as there's a clear delineation between the Carolina/California/Florida State leagues (A+, A Advanced, high A, whatever) and the South Atlantic/Midwest leagues. I know this has been brought up repeatedly to Markus and am surprised that it still hasn't been fixed.

To build a team with any sense of realism you can't have integral steps that don't work.Somehow teams managed to develop players with "only" 4 levels of minor leagues, and I find a way to do it without it destroying any sense of "realism". The High-A/Low-A/Step2-3 of a 6 step pyramid being combined really isn't that integral.The new CBA in 2008 addressed those things directly and removed anything other than 1st/2nd round picks, and sandwich picks in the supplemental 1st round, as being part of FA compensation.There would be no way to give multiple teams the same pick if a team signed multiple type A's, hence why the Blue Jays got the Yankees 3rd round pick last year for AJ Burnett (1 and 2 were for Teixeira and Sabathia), and finally there is no 2008 CBA - it's the 2007-2011 MLB Basic Agreement that is currently being operated under. But other than that, you're wrong.

[BishopMVP]

Dola - I do think OOTP assigns the supplemental picks in the wrong order - I think OOTP assigns them to the team with the worst record that lost a Type A and progresses to the best record, then repeats with Type B's instead of ranking the players and assigning the supplemental picks based off that, but that was based off looking at 1-2 years quickly, and I'd have to look deeper to be sure. (I'd also like a screen somewhere with Elias rankings during the season, since they've been cracked in real life - Elias Rankings Rumors: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/elias-rankings/) )

Plus, if something this small is a gamebreaker, where were you when FOF and TCY were released? Jim makes command decisions in those games much bigger than that (The importance of academics in TCY anyone?)

[Alan T]

Dola - I do think OOTP assigns the supplemental picks in the wrong order - I think OOTP assigns them to the team with the worst record that lost a Type A and progresses to the best record, then repeats with Type B's instead of ranking the players and assigning the supplemental picks based off that, but that was based off looking at 1-2 years quickly, and I'd have to look deeper to be sure. (I'd also like a screen somewhere with Elias rankings during the season, since they've been cracked in real life - Elias Rankings Rumors: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/elias-rankings/) )

Plus, if something this small is a gamebreaker, where were you when FOF and TCY were released? Jim makes command decisions in those games much bigger than that (The importance of academics in TCY anyone?)

You are right that OOTP assigns them wrong, but you aren't right on how it does it.

OOTP assigns them in the order that the free agent is signed. I believe that was brought up before but it was something difficult to fix or change.

[Peregrine]

Plus, if something this small is a gamebreaker, where were you when FOF and TCY were released? Jim makes command decisions in those games much bigger than that (The importance of academics in TCY anyone?)

This is really where I stand on this - every text sim out there has things that aren't realistic or systems that work in different ways that the real life sports. Basically you just have to make a decision about whether the things you like about a game outweigh what you don't. However you decide that's fine - personally I view that as a choice more than some title being a "bad game."

I will say that from what I've seen on the OOTP forums, baseball fans seem (generalization, of course) to be pickier when it comes to their text sims than fans of other sports.

[Swaggs]

Kind of morbid, yet funny. I just got an email telling me that my owner died and that his son was taking over ownership of the team.

[Swaggs]

Dola... I guess not really funny, but it goes to show how far we have come in text sims. :)