Grade my FF Team

[Flasch186]

PPR league, keeper format:


QB Joe Flacco *
QB Matthew Stafford
QB Mark Sanchez

RB Jamaal Charles *
RB Ahmad Bradshaw *
RB Ricky Williams
RB Donald Brown
RB Thomas Jones
RB Brandon Jackson

WR Andre Johnson*
WR Miles Austin*
WR Mike Sims-Walker
WR Jabbar Gaffney
WR Braylon Edwards

TE Brent Celek
TE Dustin Keller

K Mason Crosby

D New Orleans Saints D & Special Teams

[Comey]

I don't like your running backs, outside of Charles. Bradshaw gets hurt too much. Brown could be a steal, though.

I definitely like the receivers.

[Scoobz0202]

Agreed with pretty much everything Comey said.

Heres me:

Non-PPR, Keeper, Auction-Style draft (FOFC one that was done today)

QB Eli Manning
QB Chad Henne

WR Brandon Marshall
WR Johnny Knox
WR Mike Sims-Walker
WR Mike Williams(TB)

RB Arian Foster
RB Ryan Matthews
RB Felix Jones
RB Bernard Scott
RB Willis McGahee

TE Tony Gonzalez
TE John Carlson

K David Beuhler

D New Orleans

[atatange1]

PPR league, 12th pick in first round.

QB Alex Smith
QB Jason Campell
WR Reggie Wayne
WR Greg Jennings
WR Michael Crabtree
RB Ryan Mathews
RB Jamaal Charles
TE Jermichael Finley
W/R Malcom Floyd
W/R Dez Bryant
W/R Laurent Robinson (was Avery)
Def Miami
K Lindell

Bench:
qb Leinert (Will keep on eye on D. Anderson, too bad Delhomme was just picked up)
rb Justin Forsett
wr Jericho Cotchery
rb Chester Taylor
wr Kevin Walter

[ColtCrazy]

Flash - Not big on your RBs either, but your WRs are very strong. But surely one of those RBs can end up being something for you. If so, nice team.

Scoobz - Very solid team. Not sold on your 2nd WR...outside of Marshall they are all inconsistent. But you have more than enough depth at RB to make up for that.

atatange- Other than QB, it's a decent team. If Matthews is as good as SD thinks, you are in solid shape. If he falters, your lack of QB might hurt you. Wayne and Jennings will keep you competitive if you RBs are average.


Overall, all 3 teams have some potential. Every team has question marks, but each team has some depth to work the trades later in the season.


Here's my team. Keeper league, I had 1st pick.

QB - Peyton Manning/Kevin Kolb
RB - Ray Rice/LeSean McCoy
RB - Shonn Greene/Jahvid Best
WR - Greg Jennings/Hines Ward
WR - Michael Crabtree/Greg Camarillo
TE - Vernon Davis/Jermaine Gresham
K - Akers/Can't remember
D - Jets/Saints

[Comey]

All right, I'll bite:

QB: Aaron Rodgers

RB: LeSean McCoy, Jamaal Charles, Knowshon Moreno, Brian Westbrook, Darren Sproles

WR: Reggie Wayne, Robert Meachem, Mike Wallace, Vincent Jackson, Devin Hester, Mohamed Massaquoi

TE: Jason Witten, Greg Olsen

K: Nate Kaeding

D: Green Bay

[molson]

12-team, PPR (.5 for RB Reception, 1.0 for everyone else's reception), 10-man bench, Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, Flex, D/ST, K.

QB: Tony Romo, Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb

RB: Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Justin Forsett, Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch

WR: Steve Smith (Giants), Pierre Garcon, Steve Breaston, Julian Edelman, Mario Manningham, Roy E. Williams, Brian Hartline.

TE: Dallas Clark, Dustin Keller, Ben Watson

D/ST: Dallas Cowboys

K: Ryan Longwell

In retrospect, I wish I had taken a few more RB projects instead of the WRs. But in this league, with WR receptions counting double RB receptions, guys like Hartline and Manningham were just a lot more interesting than Correll Buckhalter. And I'll probably end up using WR or TE more than RB at the flex position.

Edit: Rating from Danny's link - (thanks!)

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That gives me some optimism. 45% chance of making the playoffs with "great" in-season management - (and only 2 of 12 teams make the playoffs in this league.) And from reading that, I think going after multiple WRs in the late rounds was a good idea. Makes sense considering I have to start 3 WRs, and I have Ray Rice anchoring the RB core.

One thing I don't get is why it seems like nobody even considers Brian Hartline a sleeper. Maybe I'm missing something (it was a late round pick anyway, so whatever). But it looks like he's going to start opposite Marshall in Miami. Seems like a great spot to break out from.

[Pumpy Tudors]

What is PPR?

[Lathum]

points per reception

[stevew]

Pick 6 in 12 man no ppr

QB- kolb, stafford, cutler
RB- Turner, McCoy, Spiller, Bell, Moroney
WR- Megatron, Steve Smith(2), mike thomas,
TE tony G, Keller
D-Packers
K-Dawson

[cmp]

Looking for opinions on my team. Non PPR league, auction draft, keeper league, 10 teams.

QB Philip Rivers
QB Ben Roethlisberger
QB Matt Ryan

RB DeAngelo Williams
RB Justin Forsett
RB Ricky Williams
RB LaDainian Tomlinson
RB Fred Jackson
RB Bernard Scott

WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Reggie Wayne
WR DeSean Jackson
WR Marques Colston
WR Lee Evans
WR Mohamed Massaquoi

TE Jermichael Finley

K Jay Feely

D San Francisco

[Danny]

Fantasy Football - (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/rate-my-team/form.php)

[CleBrownsfan]

Fantasy Football - (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/rate-my-team/form.php)

Thanks for that link... pretty neat

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for that link... pretty neat

Yeah, I love that tool. It was wrong about both my teams (loved the team that missed the playoffs, and hated the team that made the finals and lost), but a lot can happen as the season goes on obviously.

[Chubby]

10 team standard ESPN league, auction draft

QB Aaron Rodgers $44
QB Carson Palmer $2
QB Sam Bradford $1

RB Michael Turner $50
RB Jamaal Charles $23
RB Matt Forte $18
RB CJ Spiller $11
RB LaDainian Tomlinson $2

WR Calvin Johnson $27
WR Dez Bryant $6
WR Mike Williams $1
WR Golden Tate $1

TE Visanthe Shiancoe $10

K Ryan Longwell $1

D Ravens $2
D Steelers $1

[DataKing]

Chubby-

Seems to me that WR is the obvious weakness on your team, but that's also typically one of the easiest weaknesses to address during the season. Palmer was a steal at $2, and I like your RB rotation (I assume you're looking at Turner as an every-week starter and then playing the matchup game with either Charles or Forte as your RB2). I like the Shaincoe grab too...we all know how much Favre loves throwing to the TE in the red zone.


Here's mine. TD-heavy 12-team keeper league (keepers are italicized):

QB - Jay Cutler (note: this league does not penalize for INTs :D )
Reserve - Donovan McNabb

RB1 - Rashard Mendenhall
RB2 - Shonn Greene
Reserves - Jonathan Stewart, Jerome Harrison, Tim Hightower

WR/TE1 - Andre Johnson
WR/TE2 - Larry Fitzgerald
WR/TE3 - Mike Sims-Walker
Reserves - Jason Witten, Lee Evans

PK - Ryan Longwell
Reserve - Lawrence Tynes

Def/ST - Minnesota Vikings
Reserve - Houston Texans

[jbergey22]

You have the best team I have seen thus far DataKing.

A QB that will throw a ton of TDs, 2 good up and coming backs, with arguably the 2 best WRs in fantasy football.

Fantastic Job.

[Chubby]

Chubby-

Seems to me that WR is the obvious weakness on your team, but that's also typically one of the easiest weaknesses to address during the season. Palmer was a steal at $2, and I like your RB rotation (I assume you're looking at Turner as an every-week starter and then playing the matchup game with either Charles or Forte as your RB2). I like the Shaincoe grab too...we all know how much Favre loves throwing to the TE in the red zone.


Here's mine. TD-heavy 12-team keeper league (keepers are italicized):

QB - Jay Cutler (note: this league does not penalize for INTs :D )
Reserve - Donovan McNabb

RB1 - Rashard Mendenhall
RB2 - Shonn Greene
Reserves - Jonathan Stewart, Jerome Harrison, Tim Hightower

WR/TE1 - Andre Johnson
WR/TE2 - Larry Fitzgerald
WR/TE3 - Mike Sims-Walker
Reserves - Jason Witten, Lee Evans

PK - Ryan Longwell
Reserve - Lawrence Tynes

Def/ST - Minnesota Vikings
Reserve - Houston Texans

Yup, I made sure to priotitize rb>wr as I can always grab a filler WR during the season if needed. I think I got Charles and Spiller at a bargain (at least compared to the ESPN writer's auction draft). I overpaid a little on Shiancoe but as you said, I think he will get a lot of RZ looks with Favre at QB. I plan on going 3 RB/2 WR. I obviously love going with rookies after my starters are set to try and hit on a breakout guy. I can always grab a 5/6 pt vet off of FA if I need to.

[Arles]

Here's mine from the 14-team FOFC Auction/keeper league (2 RB, 3 WR, no flex, no PPR). Because of the keeper rules (add $10 to what you bid to keep next season), I didn't worry too much about getting star keepers. I mean, bidding $49 for Matthews or $35 for Best wouldn't have been a keeper deal ($59 and $45 accordingly). I do think there's a chance someone like Hardesty or Jones (both $4) could be keepers, but I'm not really counting on it.

Party at Moon Tower
Budget $200

QB - Drew Brees $45
QB - Mark Sanchez $1

HB - Rashard Mendenhall $51
HB - Matt Forte $21
HB - Ricky Williams $7
HB - Montario Hardesty $5
HB - Leon Washington $1

WR - Roddy White $34
WR - Chad Ochocinco $15
WR - Santana Moss $6
WR - Jacoby Jones $4
WR - Mike Thomas $1

TE - Visanthe Shiancoe $4

K - Dan Carpenter $1
D - Philadelphia $4

[Sublime 2]

I guess I'll jump in: 10 team keeper league, 1st season, 1st pick. 4 keepers next year.
.5 PPR

QB Peyton Manning
RB Chris Johnson
RB Jonathan Stewart
WR Brandon Marshall
WR Mike Sims-Walker
WR Mike Wallace
TE Kellen Winslow
Flex Matt Forte

K Prater
D Saints

BN Donald Brown
BN Darren McFadden
BN Mike Williams (TB)
BN Bernard Berrian
BN Steve Slaton
BN Vincent Jackson

I feel like I went a little too much with youth/breakout potential on my bench. Before the season starts, I'll likely pick up Stafford or Vince Young and drop Slaton/McFadden depending on which one looks worse.

[DataKing]

Sublime: Which were your keepers? Nabbing Manning and Chris Johnson both sounds like a complete coup to me.

[Sublime 2]

Sublime: Which were your keepers? Nabbing Manning and Chris Johnson both sounds like a complete coup to me.

First season/draft, got Johnson at 1.1 and Manning at 2.12.

[Scoobz0202]

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Bullshit site :D Said Foster and Mathews were not legit starters! :p

[DataKing]

First season/draft, got Johnson at 1.1 and Manning at 2.12.

Peyton Manning at 2.12 is grand theft quarterback...nice job.

[wade moore]

Peyton Manning at 2.12 is grand theft quarterback...nice job.

Seriously - were you drafting with monkeys?

[molson]

I think too many people fall in love with the "draft a QB late" strategy, and refuse to adjust if one of the top guys falls in their lap.

[thesloppy]

I'm in an 8-man, 2-keeper league, with pretty flexible rosters, and as such all of our rosters are relatively loaded...that said, I'm still chuffed with the quality of receivers I took home (at the expense of QB).

Player Bye Drafted
Flacco, Joe BAL QB - 8 11.07
Kolb, Kevin PHI QB - 8 14.02
Addai, Joseph IND RB (P) - 7 7.03
Jackson, Steven STL RB (P) - 9 FA
McCoy, LeSean PHI RB - 8 4.08
Portis, Clinton WAS RB (P) - 9 10.06
Spiller, C.J. BUF RB (R) - 6 6.02
Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR - 4 5.01
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR (P) - 5 9.05
Johnson, Andre HOU WR - 7 FA
Marshall, Brandon MIA WR (P) - 5 2.06
Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR - 6 3.07
White, Roddy ATL WR - 8 1.05
Celek, Brent PHI TE - 8 13.01
Chargers, San Diego SDC Def - 10 12.08
Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def - 8 8.04
16 Total Players

[johnnyshaka]

12 team keeper league (keep a starting lineup each year) with PPR scoring...I won last year so I was picking 12th except in the 2nd as I had an additional pick:

QB: Romo (K), Orton
RB: CJ (K), Mendenhall (K), Hightower, M. Bush
WR: Moss (K), Harvin (K), Ochocinco, Britt
TE: Celek (K), Pettigrew
K: K. Brown (K), Buehler
DEF: Chargers (K), Texans

At our draft we can only draft double what our starting requirements are...so we can only draft 4 RBs...no more. Later on we can change the makeup of our team...just not on draft day. We also start a FLEX that can be any position.

Would've liked to get Stafford as my backup QB but he went a pick or two before I nabbed Orton. Loved the Bush pick as I got him at the end of the 3rd round (remember, we have 8 keepers and he was one of the last RBs picked) but with his thumb injury he'll surely need a few weeks to get back into the swing of things and hopefully McFadden doesn't light things up early.

[Danny]

Bullshit site :D Said Foster and Mathews were not legit starters! :p

I don't think it said exactly that, but in a 10 team league, Matthews grades out as a borderline #1 RB and Foster as a poor #2 RB. In a 12 team league, Matthews is a below average #1 and Foster still a poor #2. Though both those guys have a lot of upside for sure.

[DataKing]

I'm in an 8-man, 2-keeper league, with pretty flexible rosters, and as such all of our rosters are relatively loaded...that said, I'm still chuffed with the quality of receivers I took home (at the expense of QB).

Player Bye Drafted
Flacco, Joe BAL QB - 8 11.07
Kolb, Kevin PHI QB - 8 14.02
Addai, Joseph IND RB (P) - 7 7.03
Jackson, Steven STL RB (P) - 9 FA
McCoy, LeSean PHI RB - 8 4.08
Portis, Clinton WAS RB (P) - 9 10.06
Spiller, C.J. BUF RB (R) - 6 6.02
Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR - 4 5.01
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR (P) - 5 9.05
Johnson, Andre HOU WR - 7 FA
Marshall, Brandon MIA WR (P) - 5 2.06
Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR - 6 3.07
White, Roddy ATL WR - 8 1.05
Celek, Brent PHI TE - 8 13.01
Chargers, San Diego SDC Def - 10 12.08
Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def - 8 8.04
16 Total Players

I'm high on Flacco this year, and was sad to see that he was kept in my league. I'm expecting big things from him this year, it being his 3rd in the league and with good receivers like Boldin and Mason helping him out of jams.

[thesloppy]

I'm high on Flacco this year, and was sad to see that he was kept in my league. I'm expecting big things from him this year, it being his 3rd in the league and with good receivers like Boldin and Mason helping him out of jams.

I kinda let everybody else draft me into him, but I'm not complaining too much, as I had him last year and he was accurate if not spectacular, and I too hope Boldin will help his progress. In hindsight, by the time my 1st pick rolled around 6 QBs were already kept or picked, and Rivers went before my second pick, leaving me to either pick Rivers with my 1st, take a flyer on Favre in or before the 5th, or select from the bunch of guys in Flacco's tier later....I ended up with Flacco in the 11th which feels like a good value, but I also came away feeling like I probably shoulda grabbed a starting QB before the 11th round. I also ended up knowingly taking a backup QB with the same bye week (Kolb), just 'cause he was the best obvious remaining value, so I'm feeling pretty shaky at QB, despite liking Flacco's upside.

[Sublime 2]

Seriously - were you drafting with monkeys?

Haha, I hope so!

I made a lil mistake, it's 10 team league, so I got Manning at 2.10:

1. Chris Johnson
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Ray Rice
4. Maurice Jones-Drew
5. Andre Johnson
6. Frank Gore
7. Michael Turner
8. Steven Jackson
9. Rashard Mendenhall
10. Drew Brees
Round 2
1. Randy Moss
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Calvin Johnson
6. Ryan Mathews
7. Ryan Grant
8. Shonn Greene
9. Tom Brady
10. Peyton Manning

[DataKing]

Haha, I hope so!

I made a lil mistake, it's 10 team league, so I got Manning at 2.10:

1. Chris Johnson
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Ray Rice
4. Maurice Jones-Drew
5. Andre Johnson
6. Frank Gore
7. Michael Turner
8. Steven Jackson
9. Rashard Mendenhall
10. Drew Brees
Round 2
1. Randy Moss
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Calvin Johnson
6. Ryan Mathews
7. Ryan Grant
8. Shonn Greene
9. Tom Brady
10. Peyton Manning

That's still a steal. I can kind of understand passing on Brady and Manning in the 1st round, but the guys picking 2.5 thru 2.8 need to have their heads examined. Megatron, a rookie RB, Grant and Greene before Brady or Manning? Really?!?!

[MacroGuru]

$20 buy in, work league, 12 teams, we had to set up our auto draft lists last night...it's hard with my job to get everyone together for a live draft.

QB: Carson Palmer (2.11)
QB: Ben Roethlisberger (13.2)
RB: Adrian Peterson (1.2)
RB: C.J. Spiller (5.2)
RB: Ricky Williams (12.11)
WR: DeSean Jackson (3.2)
WR: Chad Ochocinco (4.11)
WR: Robert Meachem (9.2)
WR: Nate Washington (14.11)
WR: Roy Williams (15.2)
TE: Jermaine Gresham (6.11)
TE: Todd Heap (10.11)
PK: Stephen Gostkowski (7.2)
TD: Cincinnati Bengals (8.11)
TD: Indianapolis Colts (11.2)

I know I have a Bengals theme here with Palmer, Ocho and Gresham but I will look at the weekly matchups and see what I need to do. Roy Williams was probably the least favorable pick up for me.

I took Big Ben and he will sit the bench obviously until he is back in action and we will see what happens there.

[Arles]

As Molson said above, everyone reads the "smartest guys in the room" analysts who think a great draft is getting a ton of HB and WR - but starting Carson Palmer or Chad Henne as your QB. They get the most "oohs" in the draft room, but often never enter the playoff discussion.

In the past 3 seasons, I've either won or made the finals with the strategy of having a top 4 QB. HBs (Charles, Harrison, Rice ...) and WRs (Austin, Rice, Jackson and a slew of others) always come out of the woodwork. But the top 4-5 QBs are normally from Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning (with a Romo/Schaub as well). You *may* get a Favre or Kurt Warner situation every couple seasons, but that's far from the rule. So, I don't see the logic with going with Shonn Greene, Ryan Grant or Ryan Mathews over Brady/Manning.

Heck, in our FOFC keeper auction, Mathews went for more than Brees, Manning or Brady. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

[thesloppy]

That's still a steal. I can kind of understand passing on Brady and Manning in the 1st round, but the guys picking 2.5 thru 2.8 need to have their heads examined. Megatron, a rookie RB, Grant and Greene before Brady or Manning? Really?!?!

I'm amazed at how often it's revealed to me that people who seem to know Fantasy Football aren't actually paying attention (at least by my estimation). Case in point, I had one of my owners very recently comment how he loved our scoring rules because 9 out of 10 players were QBs, and how unique that was. I told him to double check the scoring for all the major leagues, because that's pretty much how it was across the board, and the way it's been for the past few years...yet rankings are still slow to adjust (which is what threw off my owner), and you'll still see rankings with 10 RBs in the top 12 players, RIGHT NEXT to lists showing 2009 results with handfuls of QBs scoring hundreds more than those exact RBs. It seems that more and more fantasy 'experts' are advocating taking elite/top QBs early, but it still seems that it's considered an adventurous strategy, and the rankings don't necessarily reflect that strategy, and most actual fantasy football players haven't adjusted at all, and continue to rank RB way too heavy....a strategy enforced perhaps by force of habit, and a dearth of quality RBs beyond the obvious studs. Alls I know is I sure the hell would rather have Peyton Manning than Ryan Grant or Rashard Mendenhall.



...says the guy who just admitted to drafting his starting QB in the 11th round.

[Arles]

2009 Top 5 drafted QBs on ESPN (points - end of season rank):
1. Brees (280 - 2)
2. Manning (272 - 4)
3. Brady (261 - 6)
4. Rodgers (327 - 1)
5. Rivers (258 - 7)

Only a crazy season from Favre stopped those 5 from all being top 6 guys. QBs 8-12 in the draft were McNabb (223), Ryan (172), Cassel (154) and Palmer (198). Only McNabb was within 70 points of Manning. Out of the top 7 picked (Warner, Romo) - only Warner was a bust.

Top 15 HBs
1. Adrian Peterson (265 - 2)
2. Michael Turner (141 - 22)
3. MJD (255 - 3)
4. Matt Forte (150 - 17)
5. Steven Jackson (180 - 10)
6. DeAngelo Williams (166 - 13)
7. Chris Johnson (329 - 1)
8. LT (146 - 20)
9. Gore (214-6)
10. Jacobs (125 - 29)
11. Slaten (107 - 35)
12. Westbrook (51 - 60)
13. Portis (58 - 44)
14. Barber (144 - 21)
15. Kevin Smith (131 - 26)

WRs are a safer than RBs (5 of the top 10 were rated top 10). But, you still had Austin (3), D. Jackson (5), Rice (8) and V. Jackson (9) all rated outside the top 20 with top 8 production.

So, last season, while you would have gotten a "good job" from everyone when you took Matt Forte and Brandon Jacobs over Manning/Brees/Rodgers in the first two rounds, your team would have been in bad shape. If you get Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Brady this year, you will probably have a top 5 QB. If you go with a top 10-15 HB/WR instead, odds are much longer that you will get a top 10 guy.

[johnnyshaka]

I'm amazed at how often it's revealed to me that people who seem to know Fantasy Football aren't actually paying attention (at least by my estimation). Case in point, I had one of my owners very recently comment how he loved our scoring rules because 9 out of 10 players were QBs, and how unique that was. I told him to double check the scoring for all the major leagues, because that's pretty much how it was across the board, and the way it's been for the past few years...yet rankings are still slow to adjust (which is what threw off my owner), and you'll still see rankings with 10 RBs in the top 12 players, RIGHT NEXT to lists showing 2009 results with handfuls of QBs scoring hundreds more than those exact RBs. It seems that more and more fantasy 'experts' are advocating taking elite/top QBs early, but it still seems that it's considered an adventurous strategy, and the rankings don't necessarily reflect that strategy, and most actual fantasy football players haven't adjusted at all, and continue to rank RB way too heavy....a strategy enforced perhaps by force of habit, and a dearth of quality RBs beyond the obvious studs. Alls I know is I sure the hell would rather have Peyton Manning than Ryan Grant or Rashard Mendenhall.



...says the guy who just admitted to drafting his starting QB in the 11th round.

Our rules for passing points really limits QBs as we only give 4 pts for passing TDs and only award 1 point per 33 yards yet a decent QB will still put up very good numbers compared to most RB3 out there. So, a few years ago, when I purposefully drafted Romo nearly a round early because I figured he was a better bet as a flex starter than some RBBC member the league was up in arms saying that QBs were worth WAY too much and that RBs were way more important. LOL!!!

Times change, my friends...and RBBC has leveled the playing field, somewhat.

[Arles]

Not to beat a dead horse, but the experts are still living in the past with some of their rankings. ESPN's own Matthew Berry has Manning and Romo (his 3rd and 4th QBs) ranked 27 and 28 - behind such players as Pierre Thomas, Jonathan Stewart, Ryan Mathews, Shonn Greene and Beanie Wells. I would be shocked if any of those HBs finishes top 8 or if Manning/Romo are not top 5 QBs. The logic in taking a platoon HB like Thomas or Stewart over Manning seems idiotic.

[thesloppy]

the league was up in arms saying that QBs were worth WAY too much and that RBs were way more important. LOL!!!.

Heh. It's so hard to balance, because scoring seems to cycle between the positions every 2-3 years, but for my money QB should be the position that is overbalanced, right? That's more analogous to 'real football', especially as you said with the shift to RBBC. If teams are only giving guys 10-15 carries a game, we shouldn't be adjusting to make those guys MORE valuable in fantasy football, but that is oddly what a lot of people advocate when faced with the alternative of simply adjusting their expectations of how fantasy football is 'supposed' to work. This seems to be even more amplified in keeper leagues that have been playing for years and years, as old habits die hard, and ten years ago you were supposed to keep drafting RBs until you had to draft fullbacks, and keeper leagues always seem resistant to change just out of spite/inattention/tradition.

[DataKing]

Keeper leagues are inherently resistant to change, because people have built their teams based on the "old" rules. That's why any changes to my league are voted on before the draft, and do not go into effect until the beginning of the following season, in order to give everyone time to adjust and as even a playing field as possible.

[thesloppy]

ESPN's own Matthew Berry has Manning and Romo (his 3rd and 4th QBs) ranked 27 and 28 - behind such players as Pierre Thomas, Jonathan Stewart, Ryan Mathews, Shonn Greene and Beanie Wells. I would be shocked if any of those HBs finishes top 8 or if Manning/Romo are not top 5 QBs. The logic in taking a platoon HB like Thomas or Stewart over Manning seems idiotic.

Come on. Beanie Wells over Manning? As maddening as it makes me when I see these rankings, I was drafting right behind a guy picking from some list he cribbed off of a martian yesterday, and I was FUCKING LOVING IT. Nothing better than picking right behind an idiot who never snipes your prospects.

[johnnyshaka]

My current keeper league is something like 15 years old although this will be my 5th season with these guys. Change is very, very difficult to get through their heads...case in point, we finally managed to get enough support, barely, to start using a waiver wire!! Seriously!! Half the guys still call in their starting lineups to the commish on Saturday night and were very reluctant to push the lineup freeze to just prior to the early games on Sunday...it's hilarious. Heck, most of them still waste their money on flipping magazines for crying out loud...yet insist on calling me a geek as I pop open my laptop...the one I bought with my winnings from last season!! LOL!!

[Passacaglia]

2009 Top 5 drafted QBs on ESPN (points - end of season rank):
1. Brees (280 - 2)
2. Manning (272 - 4)
3. Brady (261 - 6)
4. Rodgers (327 - 1)
5. Rivers (258 - 7)

Only a crazy season from Favre stopped those 5 from all being top 6 guys. QBs 8-12 in the draft were McNabb (223), Ryan (172), Cassel (154) and Palmer (198). Only McNabb was within 70 points of Manning. Out of the top 7 picked (Warner, Romo) - only Warner was a bust.

Top 15 HBs
1. Adrian Peterson (265 - 2)
2. Michael Turner (141 - 22)
3. MJD (255 - 3)
4. Matt Forte (150 - 17)
5. Steven Jackson (180 - 10)
6. DeAngelo Williams (166 - 13)
7. Chris Johnson (329 - 1)
8. LT (146 - 20)
9. Gore (214-6)
10. Jacobs (125 - 29)
11. Slaten (107 - 35)
12. Westbrook (51 - 60)
13. Portis (58 - 44)
14. Barber (144 - 21)
15. Kevin Smith (131 - 26)

WRs are a safer than RBs (5 of the top 10 were rated top 10). But, you still had Austin (3), D. Jackson (5), Rice (8) and V. Jackson (9) all rated outside the top 20 with top 8 production.

So, last season, while you would have gotten a "good job" from everyone when you took Matt Forte and Brandon Jacobs over Manning/Brees/Rodgers in the first two rounds, your team would have been in bad shape. If you get Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Brady this year, you will probably have a top 5 QB. If you go with a top 10-15 HB/WR instead, odds are much longer that you will get a top 10 guy.

I totally agree with this -- however, even if you know it, the fact that rounds 1-2 have such a run on RBs makes it still tempting to get one, then figure you can get a Top 5 QB in the 2nd round. That's my dilemma now -- in my draft tomorrow, I'm 5th, and even though I want a Top QB, I'm hoping that one falls.

[Arles]

In ESPN standard scoring (4 pts TD, -1 INT) in 2009, the difference between Manning (#4 QB) and Cutler (#10) was over 70 points. Once you left the Romo/Brady/Rivers area, you were going from the 260s down to the 210s-220s. When you go from the #8 (Addai) to #15 HB (Benson), you only lost 17 points. Heck, Fred Jackson and Moreno (17 and 18) still got you 155 points compared to the number 10 guy (Charles) who got 177. After you leave the top 4-5 HBs, the value really plummets. Rice (4) had 230 points and Addai (8) had 180. That's 50 points between 5 spots.

If you could predict that Ray Rice, Thomas Jones and Chris Johnson were going to be top 5 HBs last season, then by all means draft them. But unless you can get a top 5-6 guy, you're wasting a pick by going HB over Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Brady. Last year, you were supposed to take Brandon Jacobs, Moss, Calvin Johnson, Steve Slaten, Clinton Portis, Steve Smith and Brian Westbrook ahead of Manning or Brady. This year, it's Ryan Grant, Mathews, Greene, D Williams, Marshall, Pierre Thomas and Benson. I have a feeling maybe 1 of these guys will be top 10 at their position this year (most out of the top 15) - while Manning/Brees/Rodgers/Brady once again all finish top 5-6.

[Glengoyne]

I agree with the above assessment regarding the value of QBs. I've been the gracious recipient of having those top QBs fall to me in years past. I was hoping for more of the same this year.

This year in my round robin draft, I drew the second pick. I decided to roll the dice and see if a top QB would come back to me, we have 8 teams. I went for Adrian Peterson. Others in my league have caught on though. None of the top QBs made it out of the first round even. When it came back to me I went with Miles Austin and then Phillip Rivers with my third pick. I managed to nab Favre in the middle/late rounds however. So while I'm not thrilled with my QBs, I'm hoping to get by, just hoping that Adrian Peterson stays healthy.

In our league QBs are very powerful, minus three for an interception, and seven points for TDs.

Our individual Defensive players are crazy powerful as well. two points/tackle, one/asssist, four points for a sack, five for an int.

In that format, Patrick Willis is like having a second QB.

[thesloppy]

Keeper leagues are inherently resistant to change, because people have built their teams based on the "old" rules. That's why any changes to my league are voted on before the draft, and do not go into effect until the beginning of the following season, in order to give everyone time to adjust and as even a playing field as possible.

I eventually grew to hate the loving, democratic process I proposed in the beginning of my league, and have since adopted an entirely rigid and draconian manner of government. There was much moaning and gnashing of teeth at the moment of the change and immediately following, but it's been smooth as butter in the years since (as according to me). Basically I told everybody to pretend I was ESPN.com or some such, and just play the fantasy football that I stick in front of them....for whatever reason long term leagues, with the best of friends, will eventually devolve into heated politics and bullshit if left up to the democratic process. Removing the ability to have any input on the rules reduced the disagreements about rules entirely. If pressed some of the owners would probably say they'd like more input, but they probably wouldn't be able to tell you what they want input about, just that they'd like to be able to make some sort of input in general for no particular reason....but keep it all out of sight and it all stays remarkably out of mind, and we spend all our time playing Fantasy Football and zero time playing Fantasy Owner's Meeting.

[Arles]

I totally agree with this -- however, even if you know it, the fact that rounds 1-2 have such a run on RBs makes it still tempting to get one, then figure you can get a Top 5 QB in the 2nd round. That's my dilemma now -- in my draft tomorrow, I'm 5th, and even though I want a Top QB, I'm hoping that one falls.
I agree here. IMO, I have to get one of Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Brady/Romo/Schaub on every team I have. If I feel I can get one later, great. In my 10-team league that tends to go HB heavy, I went Gore, Moss, Calvin Johnson and then Schaub in the early 4th. No harm in maximizing value. It's just when 3-4 of these guys go off the board, I don't risk it and take one.

I mean, would I have felt better with Kolb, Gore, Beanie Wells, Moss and Calvin Johnson over having Schaub, Gore, Moss and Johnson and a later HB (like Ronnie Brown)? The odds that Beanie Wells significantly outperforms a back like Brown or Forte seem much slimmer than Romo/Schaub outperforming Kolb.

[DataKing]

I eventually grew to hate the loving, democratic process I proposed in the beginning of my league, and have since adopted an entirely rigid and draconian manner of government. There was much moaning and gnashing of teeth at the moment of the change and immediately following, but it's been smooth as butter in the years since (as according to me). Basically I told everybody to pretend I was ESPN.com or some such, and just play the fantasy football that I stick in front of them....for whatever reason long term leagues, with the best of friends, will eventually devolve into heated politics and bullshit if left up to the democratic process. Removing the ability to have any input on the rules reduced the disagreements about rules entirely. If pressed some of the owners would probably say they'd like more input, but they probably wouldn't be able to tell you what they want input about, just that they'd like to be able to make some sort of input in general for no particular reason....but keep it all out of sight and it all stays remarkably out of mind, and we spend all our time playing Fantasy Football and zero time playing Fantasy Owner's Meeting.

Part of the reason why we're able to use the democratic process in my league is that this thing has been running since 1994 (IIRC), with at least half of the owners (myself included) from that original group. So over the past 16 years, we've already aired out a lot of discussions and had those heated debates. Just like Congress, it can take a long time to get stupid rules overturned, but eventually it does work. And personally, I enjoy the debates. It makes for good posting material and nobody takes it personally...we're a pretty thick-skinned bunch. But it can be frustrating at times. For the longest time the league (a keeper league) operated on a serpentine draft structure with draft position determined by prior-year performance. It took a while for myself and a few others to finally convince the rest of the league that this was extraordinarily stupid and unfair, but eventually justice was served.

[thesloppy]

The counter to the elite QB theory, and the possible salvation of the guy left picking from the bottom of the barrel (like myself yesterday) is that there is usually a top performer or two, or a dozen 'good' QBs, to be had from the waiver wire. Once you've missed out on the obvious 5-6 stud QBs, you're almost better off ignoring QB completely until you've filled the rest of your starting lineup entirely, with hopeful studs that can cover for your deficiencies at QB. Drafting a good-but-not-great QB in the 3rd-6th rounds is probably going to deny you a quality skill player, whereas you can still get a relatively comparable, good QB in the last few rounds, or even off the scrap pile.

[thesloppy]

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I'll echo the thanks for this link, which is ridiculously fun to fool around with, and taunt people with.

I'm suitably impressed....not necessarily by the fantasy predictions, which are always skewed and nearly random, wherever you go, but by the underlying logic which generates actual unique, insightful and relevant commentary and analysis, via some sorta AI algorhythm. Most shit like this, that generates some sorta dynamic text, can't string together a gotdamn sentence based on this much input and variables, and similar decision engines seem to usually based in a more technical realm, so it's kinda funny to see what appears to be relatively robust AI in a rate-my-fantasy-football-team site.


I got obsessed for a second and entered everybody's teams from my league, with ~our scoring setup, here they are according to David Dodd's default rankings (who is obviously a genius ranking that first team so high). I wouldn't expect anybody else to be interested enough to page through that crap, but I was interested to see that it basically generated very different reports for each team, that didn't conflict, and seemed to definitely discern between good and bad teams rather than just kind of evaluating them roughly equally. Neat sutff....kinda surprised it's free, considering how much everybody loves to have their teams/drafts analyzed and validated.

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[spleen1015]

What do you guys think?

Starting Lineup is: QB, RB, WR, WR, R/W, R/W/T, K, DEF

1.3 - Ray Rice
2.8 - Jamaal Charles
3.3 - LeSean McCoy
4.8 - Jermichael Finley
5.3 - Michael Crabtree
6.8 - Mike Sims-Walker
7.3 - Mike Wallace (PIT)
8.8 - Felix Jones
9.3 - Robert Meachum
10.8 - Green Bay
11.3 - Jay Cutler
12.8 - Carson Palmer
13.3 - Chris Cooley
14.8 - Braylon Edwards
15.3 - Lawrence Tynes

[thesloppy]

What do you guys think?

Starting Lineup is: QB, RB, WR, WR, R/W, R/W/T, K, DEF

1.3 - Ray Rice
2.8 - Jamaal Charles
3.3 - LeSean McCoy
4.8 - Jermichael Finley
5.3 - Michael Crabtree
6.8 - Mike Sims-Walker
7.3 - Mike Wallace (PIT)
8.8 - Felix Jones
9.3 - Robert Meachum
10.8 - Green Bay
11.3 - Jay Cutler
12.8 - Carson Palmer
13.3 - Chris Cooley
14.8 - Braylon Edwards
15.3 - Lawrence Tynes

To be frank, I don't like it so much. Rice is studly, but after that I think you ultimately cost yourself by ignoring QB and WR entirely in the first 4 rounds, without spectacular returns. Which isn't to say that Charles and McCoy don't have potential, but they've also got a combined career touchdown total of 11. That said, I think Palmer is undervalued and could easily outperform QBs that are being valued well above him, and the same could be said for Cutler, provided your league doesn't penalize INTs too harshly.

[jbergey22]

What do you guys think?

Starting Lineup is: QB, RB, WR, WR, R/W, R/W/T, K, DEF

1.3 - Ray Rice
2.8 - Jamaal Charles
3.3 - LeSean McCoy
4.8 - Jermichael Finley
5.3 - Michael Crabtree
6.8 - Mike Sims-Walker
7.3 - Mike Wallace (PIT)
8.8 - Felix Jones
9.3 - Robert Meachum
10.8 - Green Bay
11.3 - Jay Cutler
12.8 - Carson Palmer
13.3 - Chris Cooley
14.8 - Braylon Edwards
15.3 - Lawrence Tynes

This team has a lot of upside. Finley, Charles, Jones, and Wallace are all breakout candidates. This is a team that you could either win the league with or finish dead last with it has so many unknowns about it. I'd love this team if it were a keeper league.

[Passacaglia]

Here we go. Ten teams in our league, lineup is 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB, 1 any defense, 5 bench.

Passing: 1 point for every 25 yards, 0.3 for a completion, -0.3 for an incompletion, 4 points for a TD pass, -2.5 per INT, 1 pt. for a 400 yard game
Rushing: 1 point for every 20 yards, 6 for a TD, 1 point for a 100-yard game, 2 for a 200-yard game.
Receiving: 0.6 per catch, 6 for a TD, 1 point for every 25 yards, 2 points for a 100-yard game, 4 for a 200-yard game
Returning: 1 point for every 25 yards, 6 for a TD
Fumbles: -3
Defense: 1 point for a solo tackle, 0.3 for an assisted tackle, 3 for a sack, 3 for an INT, 3.5 for a forced fumble, 2 for a pass defensed, 1.3 for a "stuff" (?), 4 for a fumble recovery, 3 for a blocked kick or punt, 6 for a TD

I'll post my team and lurker's -- i got her to do it for the first time in a while. She was really busy, so did not get a lot of time to research, but I think she still did okay.


QB Drew Brees 1.5
RB Ryan Mathews 3.5
RB Jahvid Best 5.5
RB Arian Foster 7.5
RB C.J. Spiller 10.5
WR Roddy White 2.5
WR Anquan Boldin 9.5
WR Michael Crabtree 11.5
WR Dez Bryant 12.5
WR Bernard Berrian 15.5
TE Dallas Clark 4.5
K Nate Kaeding 14.5
DL Andre Carter 8.5
LB Geno Hayes 13.5
DB Charles Woodson 6.5
DB Terrell Thomas 16.5



QB Aaron Rodgers 1.6
RB Frank Gore 2.4
RB Jamaal Charles 4.4
RB Thomas Jones 11.6
RB Willis McGahee 13.6
WR Wes Welker 3.6
WR Hines Ward 5.6
WR Derrick Mason 12.4
WR Donald Driver 14.4
WR Josh Cribbs 15.6
TE Tony Gonzalez 6.4
K Jay Feely 16.4
DL Julius Peppers 8.4
LB Kirk Morrison 7.6
DB Brandon Flowers 9.6
DB Tyvon Branch 10.4

[jbergey22]

I really like the top team but I really hate the bottom team. I could see the top team winning that league.

[DataKing]

Team 1 is obviously strong at QB, and I like the Woodson pick in the 6th round (though you can bet he's not going to have 9 more picks this year), but there's nothing there at WR that really scares me and there are a lot of questions at RB (talk about a youth movement!). Lots of room for explosive weeks, but also the possibility of falling flat in a given week too.

Team 2 is also obviously strong at QB, and I would expect a bit more consistency out of this group of RBs (though team 1 certainly has more potential for explosive weeks at this position). Welker will be a sure-fire points producer in a PPR league, and I love the late pickups of Driver and Mason. Good value there for late-round selections. I'm pretty meh on this defensive group (though Peppers in the 8th seems a nice pick), but then I've got no personal experience with IDP leagues.

[Passacaglia]

Team 1 is mine. I didn't think about how I had two rookies until after I'd taken Best. But at each point, I really didn't like any of the other options available. If a couple of Mathews/Best/Foster/Spiller hit it big, and one of Dez Bryant or Michael Crabtree, I'll be set. One thing I think about IDP is that most teams fill their defensive starters in rounds 7-11 or so after grabbing the 6 offensive starters, so I can get some steals there on offense.

[Neuqua]

Ok, so I just got home and honestly am really happy with the way the league went. I had the sixth pick (which I hated.)

10 team Keeper League.
0.5 PPR, 6 PT for All TDs
1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 FLX, 1 D/ST, 1 K (0.5 PPR)

1: RB Steven Jackson
2: RB Rashard Mendenhall
3: WR Larry Fitzgerald
4: RB Ryan Grant (Keeper)
5: QB Phillip Rivers
6: WR Hines Ward
7: WR Jeremy Maclin
8: WR Donald Driver
9: RB Clinton Portis
10: RB Ladanian Tomlinson
11: RB Laurence Maroney
12: WR Robert Meachem
13: TE Visanthe Shiancoe
14: K Shayne Graham
15: NO Defense

Thoughts?

[DataKing]

Ok, so I just got home and honestly am really happy with the way the league went. I had the sixth pick (which I hated.)

10 team Keeper League.
0.5 PPR, 6 PT for All TDs
1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 FLX, 1 D/ST, 1 K (0.5 PPR)

1: RB Steven Jackson
2: RB Rashard Mendenhall
3: WR Larry Fitzgerald
4: RB Ryan Grant (Keeper)
5: QB Phillip Rivers
6: WR Hines Ward
7: WR Jeremy Maclin
8: WR Donald Driver
9: RB Clinton Portis
10: RB Ladanian Tomlinson
11: RB Laurence Maroney
12: WR Robert Meachem
13: TE Visanthe Shiancoe
14: K Shayne Graham
15: NO Defense

Thoughts?

Zero QB depth is a concern, but I assume you've got some roster flexibility you can play with in order to address that. You're absolutely stacked at RB IMO, with 3 talented guys that should all get the bulk of their teams' carries. Decent WR corps too, and as I've stated earlier I like Shiancoe this year with Favre at the helm again. Overall this looks like a good team, so long as Rivers stays healthy.

[cartman]

Happy with my team in the Werewolf league. I had to set a list, since I wasn't around last night.

Starters:
QB Donovan McNabb
WR DeSean Jackson
WR Greg Jennings
WR Vincent Jackson
RB Adrian Peterson
RB Ricky Williams
TE Jason Whitten
K Stephen Gostkowski
D New York Jets

Bench:
WR Sidney Rice
QB Sam Bradford
WR Joshua Cribbs
TE Will Heller
K Phil Dawson
D Atlanta

[Arles]

My final draft happened last night. 10 teams, redraft, non-PPR, standard scoring (4 pt passing TD and -2 INT is the only real wrinkle) with 1-25 for passing and 1-10 for rush/rec. 6 points non-passing TDs. We start 2 HB, 2 WR and 1 Flex HB/WR:

1-3: Adrian Peterson RB
2-18: Rashard Mendenhall RB
3-23: Miles Austin WR
4-38: Steve Smith WR (Car)
5-43: Jonathan Stewart RB
6-58: Steve Smith WR (NYG)
7-63: Ronnie Brown RB
8-78: Jason Witten TE
9-83: Kevin Kolb QB
10-98: Ben Roethlisberger QB
11-103: Michael Bush RB
12-118: Bernard Berrian WR
13-123: Stephen Gostkowski K
14-138: Broncos D/ST

I like my team a lot. If Big Ben+Kolb can give me anything at QB, I should be set. With 4 for TDs, -2 for INT and 1-25 for yards, QB scoring is a bit neutered so I figured I could wait there (esp with the ability to start 3 HBs).

[Neuqua]

Zero QB depth is a concern, but I assume you've got some roster flexibility you can play with in order to address that. You're absolutely stacked at RB IMO, with 3 talented guys that should all get the bulk of their teams' carries. Decent WR corps too, and as I've stated earlier I like Shiancoe this year with Favre at the helm again. Overall this looks like a good team, so long as Rivers stays healthy.

The Zero depth at QB was my fault, I had forgotten that we are required to draft atleast one at each position and did not draft any D/K in the last two picks. My plan as of now is to wait until we're allowed to work the waiver wire (today at noon,) and then drop WR Meachem for a backup QB.

Appreciate the feedback!

[Passacaglia]

The Zero depth at QB was my fault, I had forgotten that we are required to draft atleast one at each position and did not draft any D/K in the last two picks. My plan as of now is to wait until we're allowed to work the waiver wire (today at noon,) and then drop WR Meachem for a backup QB.

Appreciate the feedback!

That's a really stupid rule.

EDIT: But I'd hang on to Meachem at this point, maybe wait to see what Week 1 brings, and pick a backup QB then -- you'll have a better idea who to get for your backup, and you might decide you want to keep Meachem.

[nickelback]

I'd like to hear what everyone thinks of my team.

QB - Aaron Rodgers
RB - Arian Foster
RB - Knowshon Moreno
RB - Marion Barber
RB - Justin Forsett
RB - Thomas Jones
WR - Calvin Johnson
WR - Steve Smith (NYG)
WR - Wes Welker
WR - Hines Ward
WR - Mike Williams (TB)
WR - Jacoby Jones
TE - Owen Daniels
TE - Zach Miller
K - Garrett Hartley
DEF - Dolphins / Patriots

[Sun Tzu]

Alright, so the top team is me, and the bottom team is my wife. She just started getting into football two years ago, and was happy beyond belief to pick up Gore. She had the #6 pick, and I had the #12 (last) pick.

Sun Tzu

QB: Peyton Manning
WR: Marques Colston
WR: Devin Hester
RB: Steven Jackson
RB: Joseph Addai
W/T: Jason Witten
W/R: C.J. Spiller
K: Rian Lindell
DEF: Minnesota

BN: Steve Slaton
BN: Santonio Holmes
BN: Chris Chambers
BN: Larry Johnson
BN: Heath Miller
BN: Sam Bradford

Mrs. Tzu

QB: Tom Brady
WR: Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Percy Harvin
RB: Frank Gore
RB: LeSean McCoy
W/T: Tony Gonzalez
W/R: Carnell Williams
K: Nate Kaeding
DEF: San Francisco

BN: LaDainian Tomlinson
BN: Braylon Edwards
BN: Golden Tate
BN: Willis McGahee
BN: Vince Young
BN: Greg Olsen

[Sublime 2]

My final draft happened last night. 10 teams, redraft, non-PPR, standard scoring (4 pt passing TD and -2 INT is the only real wrinkle) with 1-25 for passing and 1-10 for rush/rec. 6 points non-passing TDs. We start 2 HB, 2 WR and 1 Flex HB/WR:

1-3: Adrian Peterson RB
2-18: Rashard Mendenhall RB
3-23: Miles Austin WR
4-38: Steve Smith WR (Car)
5-43: Jonathan Stewart RB
6-58: Steve Smith WR (NYG)
7-63: Ronnie Brown RB
8-78: Jason Witten TE
9-83: Kevin Kolb QB
10-98: Ben Roethlisberger QB
11-103: Michael Bush RB
12-118: Bernard Berrian WR
13-123: Stephen Gostkowski K
14-138: Broncos D/ST

I like my team a lot. If Big Ben+Kolb can give me anything at QB, I should be set. With 4 for TDs, -2 for INT and 1-25 for yards, QB scoring is a bit neutered so I figured I could wait there (esp with the ability to start 3 HBs).

I went with this set-up too in one of my leagues. I'm having some regrets on not nabbing Rivers instead of Kolb+Ben. Here's hoping Kolb holds down the fort (or better), and Ben comes back strong.

[Passacaglia]

Had another draft last night. 12 team league, I picked 8th.

Starting Roster is 1 QB, 2 RB, 1 RB/WR, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF

1 pt for every 25 passing yards, 6 for a TD, -2 for an INT, 2 for a 400-yard game
1 pt for every 10 rushing or receiving, 2 pts for a 100-yard game, -2 for a fumble

QB Phillip Rivers 2.5
RB Maurice Jones-Drew 1.8
RB Ryan Mathews 3.8
RB Justin Forsett 7.8
RB Donald Brown 10.5
RB Darren McFadden 11.8
WR Michael Crabtree 5.8
WR Pierre Garcon 6.5
WR Derrick Mason 8.5
WR Bernard Berrian 9.8
WR Laurent Robinson 12.5
WR Kenny Britt 13.8
WR Sidney Rice 14.5
TE Dallas Clark 4.5
DEF Arizona 15.8

There's 15 spots, plus one IR spot. Sidney Rice will go there, and I'll take a Kicker then. I wanted Vincent Jackson for the IR spot, but he was taken a couple round earlier without me noticing. Whoops.

[Scoobz0202]

I like your team. Is there a flex spot? Might have trouble with a solid #3 RB or WR but you've got enough to pick from with that depth that one is bound to spring up. Surprised Rivers was taken in the 2nd, but I guess with 6 pts for QB's they were flying off the board?

[Passacaglia]

I like your team. Is there a flex spot? Might have trouble with a solid #3 RB or WR but you've got enough to pick from with that depth that one is bound to spring up. Surprised Rivers was taken in the 2nd, but I guess with 6 pts for QB's they were flying off the board?

Yeah, there's 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and 1 RB/WR. QBs were definitely hot. Brees and Rodgers were gone by my 8th pick (which was fine with me since MJD was sitting there). Brady and Manning went in the turn-around for me. I was hoping to get one of Brady, Manning, and Rivers in the 3rd, but since 2 of the 3 went before my 2nd pick, I took Rivers there. Romo went later in the 2nd, went at 3.2 or something.

[Scoobz0202]

I think I have a championship contender right here.

PPR, 12 man league

QB Chad Henne MIA
QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT

RB Steven Jackson STL
RB Jahvid Best DET
RB Jamal Charles KC
RB Justin Forsett SEA

WR Randy Moss NE
WR Brandon Marshall MIA
WR Mike Wallace PIT
WR Mike Sims-Walker JAC
WR Mike Williams TB
WR Johnny Knox CHI

TE Jermichael Finley GB

K Robbie Gould CHI

DEF New Orleans Saints

[B & B]

I think I have a championship contender right here.





If you can manage your QBs and BathroomBen comes back from suspension not totally rusty than I would agree.


Assuming you took SJax and Moss 1-2, then you still have 4 guys who would normally go in the 3rd and 4th rounds on the team. Then there is a set of 4 guys who didnt last past the 6th in either of my drafts.

[MrBug708]

My Turn
1.6 - Rashard Mendenhall
2.5 - Andre Johnson
3.6 - Ryan Grant
4.5 - DeSean Jackson
5.6 - Chad Ochocinco
6.5 - Tony Romo
7.6 - Jonathon Stewart
8.5 - Jason Witten
9.6 - Jerome Harrison
10.5 - Malcolm Floyd
11.6 - Matt Ryan
12.5 - Johnny Knox
13.6 - Mike Thomas
14.5 - Julius Peppers
15.6 - Tanard Jackson (Dropped for Danieal Manning)
16.5 - Jay Feely
17.6 - Jared Allen
18.5 - Texas D (Dropped for Jacksonville D)

Im not a huge fan of individual D players for the league but by the time I got around to looking at them, most of the impact guys were gone. They are separated into DB and then any position defensive player.

My biggest concern is probably that DB spot. Sacks/INT are worth 2 points, and each tackle is worth a point as well. My defense isn't that great, but some people seem to be saying that Jacksonville could be a sleeper and if worst comes to worst, I can rotate off of the FA pile.

Some owners paid attention, others do not. Sanchez went 1.10 and Bush went 2.1, just to show you what some guys were thinking

[TLK]

My Turn
2.5 - Andre Johnson

Some owners paid attention, others do not. Sanchez went 1.10 and Bush went 2.1, just to show you what some guys were thinking

This says it all.

[Passacaglia]

So there's individual AND team defense? Interesting.

[MrBug708]

Yup. Looking more in depth, you can really accumulate points by one of the stat filling Lb'ers like a Patrick Willis. Might be something I need to look into more after week one and the dust has settled.

I kept wanting to take a QB sooner and maybe the Stewart pick wasn't that great, but if anything, I have pretty good depth.

[MrBug708]

This says it all.

Other head scratching picks were
Joe Flacco - 1.5
DeAngelo Williams - 2.10
Saints D - 3.10
Chris Cooley - 4.6
Stephen Gostkowski - 7.7

[Passacaglia]

Definitely pick up Willis. He was the first defensive player taken in my league.

[MrBug708]

Oh, he was taken already, but I'll need to find someone like that

[Danny]

I think I have a championship contender right here.

PPR, 12 man league

QB Chad Henne MIA
QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT

RB Steven Jackson STL
RB Jahvid Best DET
RB Jamal Charles KC
RB Justin Forsett SEA

WR Randy Moss NE
WR Brandon Marshall MIA
WR Mike Wallace PIT
WR Mike Sims-Walker JAC
WR Mike Williams TB
WR Johnny Knox CHI

TE Jermichael Finley GB

K Robbie Gould CHI

DEF New Orleans Saints

You drafting for all 12 teams :eek:

If you get even decent production from QB's, you win this league

[Scoobz0202]

it was a mix bag of guys that knew their shit and guys who didn't, with one or two that didn't belong at all. I took full advantage by holding off on a QB till around the 9th or 10th round.

[Scoobz0202]

The first round wasn't too bad, but my team really was built in the middle rounds with their lack of knowledge.

Rd# Franchise Pos Player Team
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1.01 1. x RB JOHNSON,CHRIS TEN
1.02 2. xx QB RODGERS,AARON GB
1.03 3. xxx QB BREES,DREW NO
1.04 4. xxxx RB PETERSON,ADRIAN MIN
1.05 5. xxxxx QB MANNING,PEYTON IND
1.06 6. xxxxxx RB RICE,RAY BAL
1.07 7. xxxxx RB JONES-DREW,MAURICE JAX
1.08 8. xxxx RB GORE,FRANK SF
1.09 9. xxx RB TURNER,MICHAEL ATL
1.10 10. xx RB MENDENHALL,RASHARD PIT
1.11 11. xxx RB JACKSON,STEVEN STL
1.12 12. xxxx RB MATHEWS,RYAN SD


My team draft: 11th Pick, Serp draft order
1st Round: Steven Jackson
2nd: Randy Moss
3rd: Jamal Charles
4th: Brandon Marshall
5th: Jermichael Finley (8th TE off the board)
6th: Jahvid Best
7th: Mike Wallace
8th: Mike Sims-Walker (first two defenses taken this round)
9th: Justin Forsett (first kicker taken this round)
10th: Johnny Knox (4 kickers taken this round)
11th: Chad Henne
12th: Ben Roethlisberer
13th: Mike Williams
14th: Saints
15th: Gould


If there wasn't money involved I'm sure I would have stopped people and been like woah guys, I don't think you want to be doing what your doing. But hey.. They enjoy it and if I can win the thing and make money then I'll keep my mouth shut.

One of the more knowledgeable guys did say something when the kickers were taken and one of em said, " At this point in the draft (9th or so) theres nobody really left so what the hell." I just saw dollar signs.

[Mustang]

My draft is tonight ($1000 auction cap, 23 man roster, ppr, keeper, IDP league). I have a good start going in

QB - M. Schaub, M. Ryan
RBs - A. Foster, J. Charles, J. Forsett
WR - M. Austin, M. Wallace, D. Aromashodu, J. Maclin
TE - J. Finley
LB - D. Harris, B. Cushing, Laurinaitis. (In our league, a good LB is equal to a 2nd tier RB)

I have $875 to fill out 10 spots. (roughly 1 DL, 1 DB, 1 K, 3 WR, 3 RB, 1 open spot). We have a rookie draft with set salarys so, the top 3 RBs in play are MJD, Gore and Jackson so, I'll probably target Gore out of that group since MJD is franchised with a match option. After that I really want A. Johnson since I have Schaub.. After those 2, I'll probably only have $275 left

[cmp]

Here is my second FF team. I'm in one pay league and then this one with some other friends for fun. 8 team league.

1.3 Adrian Peterson
2.6 Ryan Grant
3.3 Brandon Marshall
4.6 Beanie Wells
5.3 Marques Colston
6.6 Tony Romo
7.3 Antonio Gates
8.6 Hakeem Nicks
9.3 C.J. Spiller
10.6 Marion Barber
11.3 Jay Cutler
12.6 Robert Meachem
13.3 Lee Evans
14.6 Darren Sproles
15.3 Visanthe Shiancoe
16.6 Steelers D
17.3 Mike Williams (Sea)
18.6 Rob Bironas

[Airhog]

Heres mine. First year I have played fantasy football in 7 or 8 years, and I'm really not a pro guy


<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 262pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="349"><col style="width: 38pt;" width="50"> <col style="width: 224pt;" width="299"> <tbody><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt; width: 38pt;" height="20" width="50">QB</td> <td style="width: 224pt;" width="299">Tom Brady, NE QB </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">RB</td> <td>Pierre Thomas, NO RB</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">RB</td> <td>Thomas Jones, KC RB</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">RB/WR</td> <td>Marion Barber, Dal RB </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">WR</td> <td>Andre Johnson, Hou WR</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">WR</td> <td>Wes Welker, NE WR P </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">TE</td> <td>Visanthe Shiancoe, Min TE</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">K</td> <td>David Akers, Phi K </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">D</td> <td>Jets D/ST, NY D/ST</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>Jay Cutler, Chi QB</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>Devin Aromashodu, Chi WR</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>Ben Roethlisberger*, Pit QB O </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>Bengals D/ST, Cin D/ST</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>Garrett Hartley, NO K</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>John Carlson, Sea TE</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Bench</td> <td>Chris Chambers, KC WR</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

[AlexB]

I'm not oversold on my team this year - think I'll end up going jumbo most weeks!

14 man PPR keeper league, runner up last year, so 13th pick every round. Have to play 1QB, 1 RB, 1 TE, K, DL, LB, DB. Maximum of 2 RBs, but unlimited combos of WR/TE to make up numbers

QB - Rivers, Henne
RB - C.Johnson, A.Foster, R.Bush, Hightower
WR - Harvin, Garcon, Aramashodu, Royal, J.Jones
TE - Witten, Cooley, Shockey
K - Reed, Rackers
DL - Mathis, J.Smith
LB - Woodley, DJ Williams
DB - J.Joseph, Meriweather

We have bonuses for big plays, long TD's, penalties for missed kicks, QBs get punished for sacks, defenders get differentiated tackle & assist points, so it's a tough league to input the scoring into the footballguys rating sheet.

Based on the offence only they are high on the team bar the very average WRs, all saying lock/min 92% chance of playoffs - I'd take that like a shot tbh!

[TLK]

Draft results from last night. The league is non-ppr, standard scoring with premium points on longer scoring plays.

QB: Matt Schaub (2.10) , Eli Manning (12.10)
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew (1.3), Steven Jackson (3.3) , Arian Foster (7.3), Tim Hightower (11.03), Rashad Jennings (16.10), Isaac Redman (15.3)
WR: Dwayne Bowe (5.3), Hines Ward (6.10), Mike Williams (SEA) (13.03), Santonio Holmes (8.10), Jacoby Jones (9.3), Lance Moore (14.10)
TE: Jermichael Finley (4.10)
PK: Ryan Longwell (17.3)
TD: New York Jets (10.10)

I know I'm a little weak at WR, but I grabbed a lot of the guys I wanted.

[Passacaglia]

Steven Jackson 3.3 seems like a steal.

[DataKing]

Draft results from last night. The league is non-ppr, standard scoring with premium points on longer scoring plays.

QB: Matt Schaub (2.10) , Eli Manning (12.10)
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew (1.3), Steven Jackson (3.3) , Arian Foster (7.3), Tim Hightower (11.03), Rashad Jennings (16.10), Isaac Redman (15.3)
WR: Dwayne Bowe (5.3), Hines Ward (6.10), Mike Williams (SEA) (13.03), Santonio Holmes (8.10), Jacoby Jones (9.3), Lance Moore (14.10)
TE: Jermichael Finley (4.10)
PK: Ryan Longwell (17.3)
TD: New York Jets (10.10)

I know I'm a little weak at WR, but I grabbed a lot of the guys I wanted.

A pedestrian WR corps, but other than that I like this team. Schaub will be an extremely productive starter, though a fragile one, but Eli should be a serviceable fill-in, and you're obviously well-set at RB.

[ntndeacon]

Here's the results from my pay league: with rules attached
Scoring for Offensive Categories
FG - Field Goals 3 points
Plus 1 point for a FG of 35 to 45 Yds
Plus 2 points for a FG of 46 to 56 Yds

FL - Fumble Lost, Including ST plays -3 points
IFRTD - Individual Fumble Recovery TD 6 points
IKRTD - Individual Kick Return TD 6 points
IKRYd - Individual Kick Return Yards 1 - 500 IKRYds = 1 point for every 30 IKRYds

IPRTD - Individual Punt Return TD 6 points
IPRYd - Individual Punt Return Yards 1 - 500 IPRYds = 1 point for every 30 IPRYds

MFG - Missed Field Goal Plus -3 points for a MFG of 1 to 19 Yds
Plus -2 points for a MFG of 20 to 29 Yds
Plus -1 point for a MFG of 30 to 39 Yds

MXP - Missed Extra Point -2 points
Pa2P - Passing Two-point Conversion 2 points
PaCmp - Passing Completion .5 points
PaInt - Passing Interception -3 points
PaIntTD - Passing Interception for TD -3 points
PaTD - Passing TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a PaTD of 50 to 100 Yds

PaYd - Passing Yards 1 - 500 PaYds = 1 point for every 25 PaYds

Re2P - Receiving Two-point Conversion 2 points
ReTD - Receiving TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a ReTD of 50 to 100 Yds

ReYd - Receiving Yards 0 - 500 ReYds = 1 point for every 15 ReYds

Recpt - Reception 1 point
Ru2P - Rushing Two-point Conversion 2 points
RuAtt - Rushing Attempt .5 points
RuTD - Rushing TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a RuTD of 50 to 100 Yds

RuYd - Rushing Yards 1 - 400 RuYds = 1 point for every 10 RuYds

XP - Extra Points 1 point
YLS - Yards Lost on Sacks (QBs) 1 - 100 YLSs = -1 point for every 10 YLSs

Scoring for Defensive Categories
ATK - Assisted Tackles (ID only) .5 points
DFR - Defensive/ST Fumble Recovered (ID/DT/DST) 3 points
DFTD - Defensive TD 6 points
FF - Forced Fumble 3 points
Int - Interceptions 3 points
KRYd - Kick Return Yards (ID/ST/DST) 1 - 500 KRYds = 1 point for every 30 KRYds

SACK - Sack 2 points
STTD - Special Teams TD 6 points
STY - Safety 2 points
TK - Tackle (ID/DT/DST) 1 point

Start
QB, RB,RB,WR,WR,RB/WR,TE,K,DL,LB,DB

Keeper Jones-Drew RB (Jax)
2.7 Jackson, Steven RB (St. L)
3.7 Austin, Miles WR (Dal)
4.7 Foster, Arien RB (Hou)
5.7 Schaub, Matt QB (Hou)
6.7 Colsten, Marquis WR (NO)
7.7 Best, Jahvid RB (Det)
8.7 Ward Hines WR (Pit)
9.7 Spiller, C.J. RB (Buf)
10.7 Davis Vernon TE (SF)
11.7 Ryan, Matt QB (Atl)
12.7 Moss, Santana WR (Was)
13.7 Harrison, Jerome RB (Cle)
14.7 Maclin, Jeremy WR (PHI)
15.7 Floyd, Malcolm WR (SD)
16.7 Carlson, John TE (Sea)
17.7 Mathis, Robert DL (Ind)
18.7 Harris, David LB (NYJ)
19.7 Tillman, Charles DB (CHI)
20.7 Tynes, Laurence K (NYG)
21.7 Stafford, Matthew QB (Det)

[Chubby]

Just drafted my local money league team: 10 team, no PPR, you do get pts for return yardage (10 yds = 1 pt). 1 QB, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 flex, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D. I drafted 3rd, by the time there it got back to me at 2.8 there were 6 QBs already taken...

QBs: Carson Palmer, Brett Favre, Eli Manning
RBs: Ray Rice, Jahvid Best, Matt Forte, Willis McGahee
WRs: Miles Austin, Calvin Johnson, Santana Moss, TJ Whoseyerdaddy
TE: Tony Gonzalez
K: Ryan Longwell
D: Packers

I think it's pretty good considering the insane run on QBs at end of 1st into 2nd round. I waited til like 7/8th round to grab Palmer. Brees went 9, Rodgers 10 and kept going after that.

[Warhammer]

OK, we drafted ours last night, here's my team:

1.5 RB Ray Rice
2.4 WR Andre Johnson
3.5 WR Austin Miles
4.4 QB Matt Schaub
5.5 RB Ryan Grant
6.4 WR Greg Jennings
7.5 RB Arian Foster
8.4 WR Terrell Owens
9.5 Def 49ers
10.4 K Mason Crosby
11.5 QB Matt Ryan
12.4 TE Brett Celek
13.5 WR Jeremy Maclin
14.4 RB Laurence Maroney
15.5 WR Jacoby Jones

I was drafting on a pre-draft list I had put together for the first 3 rounds. Had I noticed the run on QBs (Schaub was the 8th QB taken), I probably would have waited a round and taken DeShaun Jackson or Marques Colston in the 4th and taken Schaub in the 5th.

I would love to upgrade Maroney, but not sure if I should risk Bush, McCoy, Forte or Jackson over him. Each of the other guys have question marks, at least Maroney is a starter.

[Chubby]

OK, we drafted ours last night, here's my team:

1.5 RB Ray Rice
2.4 WR Andre Johnson
3.5 WR Austin Miles
4.4 QB Matt Schaub
5.5 RB Ryan Grant
6.4 WR Greg Jennings
7.5 RB Arian Foster
8.4 WR Terrell Owens
9.5 Def 49ers
10.4 K Mason Crosby
11.5 QB Matt Ryan
12.4 TE Brett Celek
13.5 WR Jeremy Maclin
14.4 RB Laurence Maroney
15.5 WR Jacoby Jones

I was drafting on a pre-draft list I had put together for the first 3 rounds. Had I noticed the run on QBs (Schaub was the 8th QB taken), I probably would have waited a round and taken DeShaun Jackson or Marques Colston in the 4th and taken Schaub in the 5th.

I would love to upgrade Maroney, but not sure if I should risk Bush, McCoy, Forte or Jackson over him. Each of the other guys have question marks, at least Maroney is a starter.

how many teams? did you draft with chimps?

[Passacaglia]

how many teams? did you draft with chimps?

Based on how he picked 5th in the first round, then 4th in the turn-around, I'm assuming there were 8 teams.

[Chubby]

ahhh that makes sense

[Warhammer]

Looks like Maroney won't start, dumped him for Forte.

Yes and no, there is one other strong team in the league, my best friend in the company who shares my FF philosophy. The others are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

[mauchow]

Any suggestions for my first fantasy football team in about five years? I was the 12th pick.... We're very thin at RB; I missed out Ryan Grant by one pick at 3.12, which would have been huge. I settled for Addai over the likes of Ronnie Brown, J Best, Spiller, L McCoy.


QB Phllip Rivers
QB Alex Smith
RB Joseph Addai
RB Reggie Bush
RB Beanie Wells
RB Darren McFadden
WR Randy Moss
WR Reggie Wayne
WR Santana Moss
WR Devin Hester
WR Kenny Britt
TE Jason Witten
DEF Minnesota Vikings
K Rob Bironas

Chad Henne is still available; I'm tempted to pick him and drop Alex Smith; but they're both wild cards as a backup at this point. I like Henne with Marshall though; but we'll see.

[Scoobz0202]

I am personally pretty high on Henne this season.

Wayne and Moss at WR is great. I'd try and trade a couple wide receivers to get a solid back to go with Addai. I personally am not that high on Beanie, but they will be running a lot so we'll see.

[DanGarion]

Here is what I have going on for this year. This is my 14-0 undefeated team from last year that LOST in the championship. Those players with * are the keepers from last year.

QB Drew Brees *
WR Roddy White *
WR Mike Wallace *
WR Robert Meachem
RB Chris Johnson *
RB Arian Foster
TE Vernon Davis *
RB Reggie Bush
QB Eli Manning
WR Austin Collie
RB Fred Jackson
WR Danny Amendola
RB Peyton Hillis
QB Mark Sanchez
K David Akers
DEF Green Bay

I'm starting the top 7 for this first week.

[Joe]

My team for a 12 person league. I wasn't thrilled about doubling up on a couple guys from the Saints and Colts, but it is what it is.

1.12 RB Deangelo Williams
2.1 WR Reggie Wayne
3.12 RB Pierre Thomas
4.1 QB Phillip Rivers
5.12 WR Pierre Garcon
6.1 WR Robert Meachem
7.12 WR Malcolm Floyd
8.1 Vikings D
9.12 WR Johnny Knox
10.1 RB Steve Slayton
11.12 QB Chad Henne
12.1 RB Marshawn Lynch
13.12 K Jay Feely
14.1 WR TJ Houshmanzilla