College Football -- Week 3 Thread

[Swaggs]

Looks like there is only one game between ranked teams this week:

#9 Iowa @ #24 Arizona

Other interesting games:

GT @ UNC
Maryland @ WVU
East Carolina @ Virginia Tech (will the Boise State hangover continue?)
Air Force @ Oklahoma
Nebraska @ Washington
BYU @ FSU (this one looked a lot better before last Saturday)
Clemson @ Auburn
Texas @ Texas Tech
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Houston @ UCLA
Wake Forest @ Stanford

I'm sure there are others, but this was a quick glimpse.

[Swaggs]

Also, I really wanted a place to park this youtube video of.... Barry Sanders Jr.!!! :)

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Nothing like a police blotter to get the week rolling.

They've updated the story, he's now free on his own recognizance & she says she didn't intend for him to be arrested. She says she's not afraid of Rainey but she "... does fear the attention the case has drawn from the media. "People all over the country have been calling my cell phone," the woman said. "I'm not afraid of him. I'm more afraid of all the repercussions."

This earlier version has more of the details though, so I'm pasting a bit of it here.

Gators' wide receiver Chris Rainey arrested for aggravated stalking | Gainesville.com



(Original article) A starting football player at the University of Florida was arrested early Tuesday on a charge of aggravated stalking.

Christopher Rainey, 22, of Lakeland, a wide receiver for the Gators, was charged with aggravated stalking of a woman he has been dating on and off for about three years.

Gainesville police said the incident began when the woman fell asleep and missed a call from Rainey.

Officer Jesse Bostick said Rainey went to the woman's home, and she talked to him for about 10 minutes and then told him to leave. According to Bostick, Rainey sent a text to the woman that said: "Time to die." The woman called police after receiving the text.

Bostick said that when he arrived at the woman's home he told the woman to call Rainey so that he could talk to him.

The woman said that when she told Rainey that police wanted to speak to him, Rainey's response was, "Wait and see what happens when they leave."

[Swaggs]

One more odd thing that strikes me as I look at standings is that every team in the ACC Coastal Division (the one that has Virginia Tech, UNC, Miami, and Georgia Tech) has at least one loss, while every team except Florida State is undefeated in the Atlantic Division.

Largely due to early quality of opponents, but it just looks strange since the ACC Coastal looked like the NFC East during the preseason and I think most folks thought that VT, UNC, and Miami had a shot the BCS title if things bounced right (which they still could for UNC and Miami, I suppose).

[cartman]

The game in Lubbock scares me. Tech always plays well at home, and they play out of their minds at home for night games. I hope that the experienced players on the Horns can get the message across to the the new guys as to what to expect.

[Ksyrup]

Call me crazy, but Baylor/TCU could be a good game. Two teams I rarely get to see, and if Baylor's QB can pull a Denard Robinson, might be an exciting game to watch. Maybe not, but at least it's on Versus to check out.

[Lathum]

Really looking forward to seeing how we play against Nebraska at home.

[molson]

This week is chapter 1 in soon-to-be-historic Syracuse/Maine rilvary. I can only hope the Orange aren't looking ahead to next week when they play in-state rival Colgate.

[TroyF]

Nothing like a police blotter to get the week rolling.

They've updated the story, he's now free on his own recognizance & she says she didn't intend for him to be arrested. She says she's not afraid of Rainey but she "... does fear the attention the case has drawn from the media. "People all over the country have been calling my cell phone," the woman said. "I'm not afraid of him. I'm more afraid of all the repercussions."

This earlier version has more of the details though, so I'm pasting a bit of it here.

Gators' wide receiver Chris Rainey arrested for aggravated stalking | Gainesville.com



(Original article) A starting football player at the University of Florida was arrested early Tuesday on a charge of aggravated stalking.

Christopher Rainey, 22, of Lakeland, a wide receiver for the Gators, was charged with aggravated stalking of a woman he has been dating on and off for about three years.

Gainesville police said the incident began when the woman fell asleep and missed a call from Rainey.

Officer Jesse Bostick said Rainey went to the woman's home, and she talked to him for about 10 minutes and then told him to leave. According to Bostick, Rainey sent a text to the woman that said: "Time to die." The woman called police after receiving the text.

Bostick said that when he arrived at the woman's home he told the woman to call Rainey so that he could talk to him.

The woman said that when she told Rainey that police wanted to speak to him, Rainey's response was, "Wait and see what happens when they leave."

Rainey is very, very lucky I'm not the girl's father. This isn't an internet tough guy thread or anything, but I can promise you I would not take a threat like that lightly. By the time my media blitz and lawsuits were finished, his football career and name would be destroyed.

[JPhillips]

Nothing's a given, especially with an OSU teams that has tended to play to the level of their competition, but just looking at the schedule shows a four Saturday cakewalk for OSU before they play Wiscy.

[cartman]

Ouch. Arkansas RB Johnson is out indefinitely after suffering an 'internal bowel injury'.

Razorbacks' Johnson out indefinitely with internal injury | baxterbulletin.com | The Baxter Bulletin (http://www.baxterbulletin.com/article/20100914/SPORTS/9140332)

[the_meanstrosity]

Call me crazy, but Baylor/TCU could be a good game. Two teams I rarely get to see, and if Baylor's QB can pull a Denard Robinson, might be an exciting game to watch. Maybe not, but at least it's on Versus to check out.

I'm with you on this one ksyrup. This is one of the games that I'm hoping to catch this week.

[MJ4H]

Ouch. Arkansas RB Johnson is out indefinitely after suffering an 'internal bowel injury'.

Razorbacks' Johnson out indefinitely with internal injury | baxterbulletin.com | The Baxter Bulletin (http://www.baxterbulletin.com/article/20100914/SPORTS/9140332)

They were checking on him during the game, thinking he had a rib injury. He was getting more and more disoriented and then suddenly vomited all over the place with blood in it. I didn't read the article, but I have, um, first hand knowledge of this.

As far as the team is concerned, we have 4 running backs I'm comfortable with getting the majority of the carries, so it isn't that big of a deal for the ground game. Where it hurts is KO returns. He was our main returner and was very very good.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ouch. Arkansas RB Johnson is out indefinitely after suffering an 'internal bowel injury'.

Ouch indeed. That's a really shitty thing to have happen.

(sorry, couldn't help myself, no disrespect to the kid intended)

[dawgfan]

Last, best chance for Locker to get back into the Heisman discussion. He's been pretty good so far this season, but not spectacular, and failing to lead a game-winning drive against BYU is going to haunt him. But if he can have a big game en route to Washington upsetting Nebraska on national TV, that could go a long way towards getting him back in the discussion.

It's also of course another big opportunity for Sarkisian and the Huskies to make a statement about the progress the program has made under his watch. Should be a fun game with strength (Washington passing game) on strength (Nebraska pass defense), especially Jermaine Kearse vs. Prince Amukamara.

[Chief Rum]

The game in Lubbock scares me. Tech always plays well at home, and they play out of their minds at home for night games. I hope that the experienced players on the Horns can get the message across to the the new guys as to what to expect.

Plus, I am sure the team is at risk of looking ahead to the huge matchup with UCLA the next week, which has to have them shaking in their cletes. :banghead:

[Izulde]

Exciting news for UNLV football, at least for my own personal biases.

Omar Clayton has officially won the Rebels' starting spot for the remainder of the season it looks like, and even better, Mike Clausen, who was his primary rival and looked so terrible against Wisconsin, is likely switching to safety, which he played in high school.

That means Caleb Herring, the redshirt freshman most consider the QB of the future, gets elevated to the #2 spot. Clayton's a senior, so if we can find ways to get Herring some playing time so he's ready to go next year, that'd be awesome.

[Swaggs]

Pitt defensive end Greg Romeus, who was the co-defensive player of the year in the Big East last season and a probably first round pick, needs back surgery and is probably out for the rest of the regular season. Unfortunate break for a kid who probably could have been a first or second rounder last season but decided to come back.

[cartman]

Pretty cool article (well, unless you are a Horns hater :) ) on ESPN.com about a game week in the life of Mack Brown.

ESPN - College Football: Constant Eyes of Texas - E-ticket (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=texasfootball&num=1)

[Wolfpack]

Dang. It's been a while since I've seen State lay a beating like that on a decent opponent. After a shoddy game last week, Russell Wilson was on most of the night tonight and carved up Cincy's defense pretty easily. The other positive thing to see was the defense absolutely harrassing the Cincy QB all night, a big improvement over getting embarrassed by UCF's mobile QB in the fourth last week.

Still a bit careless with the ball and that late-game mail-it-in defense approach wasn't pleasant to watch. Oh, yeah, the punter sucks. That's going to get us in trouble eventually, but for now, 3-0 is good. Haven't started 3-0 since 2002 when Rivers lead State to a 9-0 start before they gagged away the Georgia Tech game (coincidentally, GT's the next opponent).

[RainMaker]

Not a real great week for college football matchups. Looking forward to seeing conference play start up.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Nothing like a police blotter to get the week rolling.

They've updated the story, he's now free on his own recognizance & she says she didn't intend for him to be arrested. She says she's not afraid of Rainey but she "... does fear the attention the case has drawn from the media. "People all over the country have been calling my cell phone," the woman said. "I'm not afraid of him. I'm more afraid of all the repercussions."

This earlier version has more of the details though, so I'm pasting a bit of it here.

Gators' wide receiver Chris Rainey arrested for aggravated stalking | Gainesville.com

(Original article) A starting football player at the University of Florida was arrested early Tuesday on a charge of aggravated stalking.

Christopher Rainey, 22, of Lakeland, a wide receiver for the Gators, was charged with aggravated stalking of a woman he has been dating on and off for about three years.

Gainesville police said the incident began when the woman fell asleep and missed a call from Rainey.

Officer Jesse Bostick said Rainey went to the woman's home, and she talked to him for about 10 minutes and then told him to leave. According to Bostick, Rainey sent a text to the woman that said: "Time to die." The woman called police after receiving the text.

Bostick said that when he arrived at the woman's home he told the woman to call Rainey so that he could talk to him.

The woman said that when she told Rainey that police wanted to speak to him, Rainey's response was, "Wait and see what happens when they leave."

It'll be interesting to see how Meyer handles this situation. It should be handled the same way as the Washington situation at Missouri. He should be gone.

[tarcone]

I am so pumped right now for Saturday night. I cant wait. I have been Amped all day. 9:30 Saturday cannot get here fast enough.

Go Hawks!

[B & B]

What better?

Sharp stick in the eye

DrLou

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Kansas in the first half looking like the Week 1 team that lost to NDSU rather than the team that beat Georgia Tech.

[Bigsmooth]

Nevada looks unstoppable on offense. Is Cal gonna make an adjustment....or just keep getting steamrolled for fuck sake.

[kingfc22]

Shane Vereen is keeping Cal alive.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Kansas in the first half looking like the Week 1 team that lost to NDSU rather than the team that beat Georgia Tech.

Sadly, that's probably the exact same team. GT just stinks that much right now.

[Lathum]

Big turnover there.

[Lathum]

or not

[Bigsmooth]

Nevada getting every break right now. How does 3 Cal players let that WR come up with the ball there? Weak.

[Lathum]

Is it just me or have the Nevada DBs been pushing off on the receivers on deep ball all night?

[Karlifornia]

Cal is once again limp-dicked. Stanford will have to take over the reigns for the Bay Area this year. Get ready to hand over that axe.

[sterlingice]

Kansas in the first half looking like the Week 1 team that lost to NDSU rather than the team that beat Georgia Tech.

Turns out that team played the entire game for them :(

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Last night in Georgia, Marist beats SW DeKalb 17-14 on a 59 yd game-winning field goal. 59 yarder in HIGH SCHOOL !

Let's remember that today as we watch our various kickers struggle.

[Wolfpack]

Sadly, that's probably the exact same team. GT just stinks that much right now.

Just so long as you guys kneecap Carolina today, it's fine. You can go back to sucking again next week. :D

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just so long as you guys kneecap Carolina today, it's fine. You can go back to sucking again next week. :D

I imagine this one comes down to whether UNC comes in flat or not. If the Heels play (theoretically) over their heads like they did against LSU, GT is a dead bug. If they play like a depleted team & the emotion is flat, even Tech has a chance against them.

[wade moore]

Wow, that is one of the worst defensive blunders I've ever seen by a BCS team.

Edit: By Georgia against Arkansas fwiw.

[Logan]

Good news: the Rutgers offense won't make me sick this week.

[Logan]

These Arkansas jerseys are fugly.

[jbergey22]

Shootout #2 is off to a good start.

[GrantDawg]

Wow, that is one of the worst defensive blunders I've ever seen by a BCS team.

Edit: By Georgia against Arkansas fwiw.


Give them time. They'll top it. Grantham is making us pine for the days of Willie Martinez.

[Izulde]

UNLV/Idaho got picked up by ESPNU. 10:30 pm EST start time. Should be a real competitive game, with the Rebels having a strong shot to get their first win of the season.

[wade moore]

UMass up by 3 late in the 1st half against Michigan.

Maybe W&M's close loss to UMass at the beginning of the season wasn't so bad...

[MJ4H]

Mallett 13-17 232 yds at half.

I will take that, but we need more points than 17.

[GrantDawg]

Mallett 13-17 232 yds at half.

I will take that, but we need more points than 17.


Don't worry. We got your back. I won't care (well, much) as long someone "accidently" hits that prick on the sideline really hard. Like, hear something snap hard. Of course, our team hasn't hit anybody hard all year, so I don't even give that much of a chance.

[MJ4H]

Ole Miss is coming through in spades for me today, too, so far.

14-0 Vandy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

UNC regains the lead over GT 24-17 with 10 mins left in Q3.

Carolina averaging just over 5 ypc and is 11-13 passing. I couldn't imagine the GT defense getting worse than last year, but I'll be darned if they aren't well on their way to it.

[MJ4H]

Murray has a tell for pass/run plays.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Assuming the espn.com pbp is right

4th and 7 at UGA 41 Ronnie Wingo Jr. rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Geo 43.

Why didn't Arkansas punt & try to pin Murray deep instead of offering momentum to UGA?

edit to add: Apparently the pbp is screwed, this is what it says now
3rd and 3 at UGA 41 Ronnie Wingo Jr. rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Geo 43.
4th and 5 at UGA 43 Ryan Mallett punt for 43 yards for a touchback.

[wade moore]

UMass probably blew it by giving up a TD just before half, then fumbled and gave up another TD.

[GrantDawg]

I couldn't imagine the GT defense getting worse than last year, but I'll be darned if they aren't well on their way to it.


Change GT to UGA. The same statement holds. Is this just growing pains for the 3-4 transition? I hope so.

[MJ4H]

Yeah the pbp was screwed up. Mallett pooch kicked it down to about the 10 or 15 and it skipped into the end zone.

[MJ4H]

Cleaned up the tell at halftime apparently.

[Young Drachma]

The Boise State faithful are appearing in Laramie, clad in Orange and Blue. We'll see if Wyoming puts up a fight or not.

[tarcone]

I like watching Arkansas. They are fun.

[mauchow]

At least School of Rock is on...

[mauchow]

Okay, okay, I was kidding about School of Rock. Looks like Ark is in complete meltdown mode.

[MJ4H]

sigh

[BishopMVP]

UMass probably blew it by giving up a TD just before half, then fumbled and gave up another TD.Game's played out about as I expected. UMass gets up early, keeps it close into the 3rd, and loses by ~14 points. We're keying on Denard Robinson so much it's opening running lanes for the RB's. Meanwhile our RB's are very good, but our QB isn't good enough to get into a shootout, even taking into account how terrible the Michigan defense is.

UGA making it interesting.Last night in Georgia, Marist beats SW DeKalb 17-14 on a 59 yd game-winning field goal. 59 yarder in HIGH SCHOOL !

Let's remember that today as we watch our various kickers struggle.Are tees allowed in Georgia?

[larrymcg421]

Terrible playcalling by UNC there.

[Bigsmooth]

Holy balls Arkansas....wtf. I don't remember ever seeing a melt down this bad.

[MJ4H]

this is absolutely unbelievable. What do I do to deserve this

[mauchow]

Well, it's not over yet. See if the defense can get back to 1st half form on this last drive against UGA.

[BishopMVP]

Blocked punt UMass, inside Michigan's 10 down 42-30. About 2:30 left.

[Bigsmooth]

Why did it take Arkansas 6 seconds to get a TO called after the sack? Come on.

[BishopMVP]

TD UMass. 42-36 Michigan, XP pending, 2:05 left.

[Bigsmooth]

Hahaha Childs Please...great line.

That was beautiful.

[mauchow]

Bwahah, classic.

[MJ4H]

k thx

lol at Childs please

[larrymcg421]

Wow, Georgia DC? Shoot yourself in the head. Might as well beat the Bulldogs fans to it.

[larrymcg421]

Holy shit, they should have caught that!

[BishopMVP]

Wow. Murray does have an NFL arm.

UMass onside kick OOB. Mich 1st down - ballgame.

[Suicane75]

I'm so proud of Temple. It took them forever but they finally have a quality program and a win against the team that took their spot in the Big East puts a warmness in my cockles.

[Lathum]

Not a good start and jebusus there are a lot of Nebraska fans here.

[Edward64]

this is absolutely unbelievable. What do I do to deserve this
Keep the faith! What an arm, will enjoy rooting for him on Sundays.

[Edward64]

Oh, someone more knowledgeable than me ... reassure me that he's not the second coming of Ryan Leaf?

[Lathum]

Jesus USC, are you really that bad?

[mauchow]

Yuck, Wisconsin's Borland is out of the game and he's definitely a player we don't want to lose; but he's been injury prone with his shoulder this year. It sucks big time for the defense. Now to stop making big mistakes and play a full 60 minutes against ASU.

[Lathum]

Great drive engineered by Locker after going down 14 early. Defense needs to step it up and get a 3 and out here and keep the momentum.

[fpres]

Not a good start and jebusus there are a lot of Nebraska fans here.

The Huskers always travel very well.

[Suicane75]

All things being equal, that VT/ECU game looks like it's been a blast to watch.

[Bigsmooth]

That UW crowd is sooo loud. Cameras shaking and the FROSH QB is getting rattled!

[Galaril]

So far the OU AF game is interesting. I would suspect OU will where us down with the deep bench big bodies.

[bhlloy]

USC is getting a royal screw job by the Big 12 officials. Not usually one to complain about this team taking bad penalties because we usually deserve them but holy crap this officiating crew isn't even trying to hide it.

[tarcone]

Looks to be 1-1 in the Big10/Pac 12 Challenge.

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT rallies thanks to the offense incredible ball control in the 2nd half (including school's 2nd longest drive in the past 25 years) and a couple of UNC turnovers.
Not impressive considering the depleted Tar Heels, but a win is a win, and on the road to boot.

UGA's loss has driven fans to what was previously inconceivable: they're calling for the return of Willie Martinez. No, I'm not kidding, Grantham will be lucky if he doesn't awake to a moving van outside his house by Monday morning. The mood in the Dawg Nation is extremely ugly toward him at the moment.

[tarcone]

Wow. 95 yards but a half yard short.

[Galaril]

Geez OU QB is imploding right now.

[tarcone]

Wisconsin 13 Arizona State 10.

[bhlloy]

It's taken me about 3 weeks to complete the cycle of "WTF Lane Kiffin?" to "oh, maybe this might work out after all" to "WTF Lane Kiffin get this asshole as far away from my football program as you can"

Offensive playcalling is bizarre. Personnel choices are even worse (yes that was Stanley Havili and Ronald Johnson on the bench for most of the first 2 drives). I can usually predict what play is coming next just by thinking what the worst possible playcall in this situation would be (we just ran it twice downhill for 18 yards? let's go to... a slow developing draw play with our freshman RB. winner!) We show a very nice ability to complete 8 yard passes when we need 15. Monte Kiffin should have retired a long time ago. We are seriously running the Tampa 2 in college football with a bunch of freshman DB's and a middle linebacker dropping 30 yards into coverage who was a defensive end less than a year ago. We seem to have spent twice as long in practice with our bullshit little gimmick XP/punt formations than we actually did on learning the defense. We ran a 6'4 180lb QB straight into the line instead of kicking an extra point to put us up 7 in another really close game, on the road. I'm just going to stop now because I think I'm beginning to sound a little crazy....

Positives - the run defense with Casey and Harris in the middle looks pretty beastly, Barkley to Rojo when set up right will still beat any secondary in college football and we are still beating a major conference team on the road with the refs against us. And that's pretty much it.

[SirFozzie]

CRAZY finish to the Arizona State v Wisconsin first half.

Kickoff with :10 to play in the half

Taken at the 4 yard line.

Breaks two tackles.

Down the sideline. Beats the man with the best chance to catch him..

final man reaches out, trips him up..

and tackles him after a 95 yard Kickoff Return, at the one yard line as time expires for the first half.

[k0ruptr]

Hawaii 10 - Colorado 0 @ the Half.

[tarcone]

It's taken me about 3 weeks to complete the cycle of "WTF Lane Kiffin?" to "oh, maybe this might work out after all" to "WTF Lane Kiffin get this asshole as far away from my football program as you can"

Offensive playcalling is bizarre. Personnel choices are even worse (yes that was Stanley Havili and Ronald Johnson on the bench for most of the first 2 drives). I can usually predict what play is coming next just by thinking what the worst possible playcall in this situation would be (we just ran it twice downhill for 18 yards? let's go to... a slow developing draw play with our freshman RB. winner!) We show a very nice ability to complete 8 yard passes when we need 15. Monte Kiffin should have retired a long time ago. We are seriously running the Tampa 2 in college football with a bunch of freshman DB's and a middle linebacker dropping 30 yards into coverage who was a defensive end less than a year ago. We seem to have spent twice as long in practice with our bullshit little gimmick XP/punt formations than we actually did on learning the defense. We ran a 6'4 180lb QB straight into the line instead of kicking an extra point to put us up 7 in another really close game, on the road. I'm just going to stop now because I think I'm beginning to sound a little crazy....

Positives - the run defense with Casey and Harris in the middle looks pretty beastly, Barkley to Rojo when set up right will still beat any secondary in college football and we are still beating a major conference team on the road with the refs against us. And that's pretty much it.

I agree. Its Madden. :D

[tarcone]

I expect to see a tackle around soon.

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's taken me about 3 weeks to complete the cycle of "WTF Lane Kiffin?" to "oh, maybe this might work out after all" to "WTF Lane Kiffin get this asshole as far away from my football program as you can"

Offensive playcalling is bizarre. Personnel choices are even worse (yes that was Stanley Havili and Ronald Johnson on the bench for most of the first 2 drives). I can usually predict what play is coming next just by thinking what the worst possible playcall in this situation would be (we just ran it twice downhill for 18 yards? let's go to... a slow developing draw play with our freshman RB. winner!) We show a very nice ability to complete 8 yard passes when we need 15. Monte Kiffin should have retired a long time ago. We are seriously running the Tampa 2 in college football with a bunch of freshman DB's and a middle linebacker dropping 30 yards into coverage who was a defensive end less than a year ago. We seem to have spent twice as long in practice with our bullshit little gimmick XP/punt formations than we actually did on learning the defense. We ran a 6'4 180lb QB straight into the line instead of kicking an extra point to put us up 7 in another really close game, on the road. I'm just going to stop now because I think I'm beginning to sound a little crazy....

Welcome to the Lane Kiffin Experience :)

edit to add: Okay, that said, he's also the same guy who took one of the worst QB college football has ever seen & turned him into something a lot more than serviceable last season. It's almost as though it takes a lot of time for him to figure out who he has & what they can do, and then what he can do with that. But, in spite of the incredible amount of disgust/ill will/hatred I have for the bastard, I've watched him figure it out before & suspect he'll do the same at USC. Thing is, I'm not sure that 7 or 8 wins will feel much like "he figured it out" for USC fans.

[bhlloy]

I agree. Its Madden. :D

lol... you are absolutely right. Lane Kiffin calls a college football game like an 11 year old kid plays Madden :lol:

[BYU 14]

BYU starts by rotating QBs again and nothing but offensive inepitude. Heaps takes the last 4 series, two scoring drives and we only trail FSU 13-10 at the half and get the ball in the third.

True frosh or not, Heaps is the man, why did we have to wait 3 fucking games for this????

[Galaril]

Air Force 38 Yard TD run by QB Jefferson makes it a tie game 10-10 in Oklahoma early in the third.

[larrymcg421]

How many players are Washington sending out there on defense?

[k0ruptr]

Colorado gets a TD, a Safety and now they are 3 yards away from scoring 16 un answered.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

How bad is Washington that they've allowed 42 points to Nebraska's offense through the first 34 minutes of the game? Someone needs to tell the defense that they're running each and every play. Some embarrassing arm tackle attempts.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tennessee-Florida now 10-10 in Q3, going almost exactly as I suspected it would so far.

From here on out however I really need to be 100% majorly wrong in my pre-game expectations or else this will turn out ugly for the Vols.

Please let me be wrong.

[Galaril]

And OU scores in two plays LOL. 17-10 OU.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I know it's against Duke but still, I believe Mark Ingram has answered any questions about his recovery. 7 carries for 148 & 2 TD's in the first half.

[jbergey22]

Washington is getting slapped around.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If UT had a pass rush, they'd be beating Florida instead of trailing 17-10 now. Of course, if there were even 4 experienced DL players living in Knoxville, there'd be a much better chance of getting pressure.

Also, while I'm really not much for complaining about the way certain players get praised in the media (seriously, that's one thing I don't often complain about), the whole "he's just too good to struggle" commentary about Brantley is pretty hard to swallow. He looks very average to me at best, other than having a strong arm. And that's not comparing him to Tebow, that's just in general.

[jbergey22]

If UT had a pass rush, they'd be beating Florida instead of trailing 17-10 now. Of course, if there were even 4 experienced DL players living in Knoxville, there'd be a much better chance of getting pressure.

Also, while I'm really not much for complaining about the way certain players get praised in the media (seriously, that's one thing I don't often complain about), the whole "he's just too good to struggle" commentary about Brantley is pretty hard to swallow. He looks very average to me at best, other than having a strong arm. And that's not comparing him to Tebow, that's just in general.


I agree. I have been less than impressed with him this season.

[k0ruptr]

Colorado 17-Hawaii 13 - Hawaii has the ball end of the third quarter.

[Noop]

Florida State looks to be getting on track against BYU.

[Atocep]

There has to be a point where people stop talking about the amazing tools Locker has and start openly wondering why a 5th year senior still is struggling to put things together on the field. I understand NFL scouts are in love with his physical tools, but I really question whether or not they're actually watching him play on Saturdays.

[Galaril]

[QUOTE=Noop;2350473]Florida State looks to be getting on track against BYU.[/QUOT

I think BYU is just not that good.

[Lathum]

There has to be a point where people stop talking about the amazing tools Locker has and start openly wondering why a 5th year senior still is struggling to put things together on the field. I understand NFL scouts are in love with his physical tools, but I really question whether or not they're actually watching him play on Saturdays.

Totally agree. Not sure what people are seeing that warrants him being the #1overall pick, and he certainly played himself out of any heisman talk today.

I now challenge anyone to call me a homer.

[larrymcg421]

Meh, we have no idea how bad the rest of Washington's team is. If the rest of the offense is as bad as the defense, then I don't see how you can expect much from Locker. I mean, if you watch the Florida vs. Tennessee games from the mid-90s, who are you drafting? Wuerffel or Manning?

[Lathum]

Meh, we have no idea how bad the rest of Washington's team is. If the rest of the offense is as bad as the defense, then I don't see how you can expect much from Locker. I mean, if you watch the Florida vs. Tennessee games from the mid-90s, who are you drafting? Wuerffel or Manning?

Our offense is talented but young. The O line has some holes but Polk set the record last year for rushing yards for a freshman, over 1000, and Jake has some weapons are receiver, including Kearse who has an NFL body and talent.

[Noop]

[quote=Noop;2350473]Florida State looks to be getting on track against BYU.[/QUOT

I think BYU is just not that good.


Neither is Florida State but I can definitely see the potential.

[Young Drachma]

Locker should've come out early and gotten paid.

[JonInMiddleGA]

This just in: Florida needs either a new secondary coach or new players in the secondary. Possibly both.

Worked out great for my Vols, but that was baaaaad.

[Noop]

Locker should've come out early and gotten paid.

Pretty much.

[Galaril]

So, there is a great game finishing up in Oklahoma with AF giving the Sooners a game of it. Air Force was down 27-10 with 4 minutes in the third quarter. Now Air Force just scored with 3.50 left 27-24 Oklahoma.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Down 31-17, about 6 minutes left, Florida ball after a bad turnover ... I really believe Tennessee is about to play the most important minutes of their season right here.

CDD will learn, in the next possession or two, which players are committed and which ones aren't. I'm 43, have been following college football closely since at least the beginning of the Pepper Rodgers era, and can't recall having more interest in any garbage time in my life.

[Galaril]

So, there is a great game finishing up in Oklahoma with AF giving the Sooners a game of it. Air Force was down 27-10 with 4 minutes in the third quarter. Now Air Force just scored with 3.50 left 27-24 Oklahoma.

So, OU is going to hold here at the end 27-24 at home. I am happy and proud of the AF effort and congrats to the OU fans here for a hard fought victory. They racked up 450 yards on OU and held them to just 140 yards on the ground.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Very proud of what I just saw from the Vols. The last 6 minutes, ultimately meaningless to the final score, were huge for the future of the program. I'm rarely happy with a loss, but I can't find much to be unhappy about with this one. The talent isn't there right now, but the player management aspect of the coaching looks great. (X's & O's still TBD).

[Cuckoo]

So, OU is going to hold here at the end 27-24 at home. I am happy and proud of the AF effort and congrats to the OU fans here for a hard fought victory. They racked up 450 yards on OU and held them to just 140 yards on the ground.

I knew this was going to be a tough one for the Sooners, almost ironic considering all the years of success in Norman with the option. Air Force's offense was trouble all day, as I expected, but I came away most impressed with their defense. They weren't stand-out incredible in any facet but just so solid across the board, didn't make mistakes and were almost always in position. Lot of discipline in all phases for Air Force.

[Lathum]

Clemson looks really impressive on their opening drive.

[Big Fo]

That shovel pass did not look like it was going to work out but what a play by Harper. Great first drive for Clemson.

[Poli]

Wow, that is one of the worst defensive blunders I've ever seen by a BCS team.

Edit: By Georgia against Arkansas fwiw.
Good for Arkansas!

[SirFozzie]

Wow. If that play stands, what a catch for the TD.

17-0 Clemson, go ACC!

[Lathum]

Someone may want to tell the teams in Texas you throw the ball to your own team...

[Matthean]

ND 7, MSU 0. Both teams seems to be started to loosen up offensively.

[Lathum]

So what do ya all thing, does Clemson melt down?

[Swaggs]

I'm thinking Oregon vs Ohio State for the championship.

[Lathum]

WTF was Cousins thinking there

[Lathum]

I'm thinking Oregon vs Ohio State for the championship.

Very possible, there will likely be some attrition in the SEC.

[Swaggs]

Very possible, there will likely be some attrition in the SEC.

Yeah... Florida has looked beatable against a handful of unranked teams. Alabama will have to have won like 27 in a row to make it back (although they have absolutely earned and looked like #1 so far).

I wonder how long it has been since someone won 25+ in a row (paging FOFC stats department :) )?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah... Florida has looked beatable against a handful of unranked teams. Alabama will have to have won like 27 in a row to make it back (although they have absolutely earned and looked like #1 so far).


After watching Florida today, I figure they'll end up with at least 3 losses. They're too weak at QB, the secondary is bad, and they appear to have only one threat at RB & he's ineffective unless you give him considerable space.

[Suicane75]

Play before the Auburn TD the Auburn LT literally grabbed the DE's facemask, pulled his helmet off, and threw it to the ground without a call while "pass blocking."

So i'm to assume there was very little contact at all?

Just kidding, i'm sure he decapitated him, clapped, and then vomited on the body.

:rant:

[Young Drachma]

Boise State isn't giving the Pokes any hope, that's for sure. Better that way.

[JPhillips]

I've seen more helmets come off these first three weeks than I've ever seen. The NCAA needs to crack down on tightening helmets on some poor kid is going to get seriously injured.

[Lathum]

Mizzou looks to be in some trouble here.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I've seen more helmets come off these first three weeks than I've ever seen. The NCAA needs to crack down on tightening helmets on some poor kid is going to get seriously injured.

Interesting that you bring that up, we're seeing the same thing with alarming frequency in the high school season so far, even trickling down to the JV & MS levels.

My assumption is that it has somehow become "cool", kind of like Willie Mays hat being too big so it would fly off more easily.

[MJ4H]

Mizzou looks to be in some trouble here.

Details or channel?

[Lathum]

Keeping an eye on gametracker. Down 4 with 1:22 left

[Atocep]

Swaggs, I said I doubt he makes it 3 years and at this rate he won't survive this season. From what I've heard a lot of the donors paying Doc's salary had to really be convinced to chip in and they made it clear they'll be quick to pull money if they don't like the direction he's taking the team.

[JPhillips]

Interesting that you bring that up, we're seeing the same thing with alarming frequency in the high school season so far, even trickling down to the JV & MS levels.

My assumption is that it has somehow become "cool", kind of like Willie Mays hat being too big so it would fly off more easily.

Keeping helmets tight has always been a chore for coaches at all levels, for some reason, though, there seem to be a lot more helmets flying off even after less than spectacular contact. It seemed like a Miami player had lost a helmet every three or four plays in the OSU game.

[MJ4H]

Looks like mizzou won on the last play of the game.

[MizzouRah]

Wow.. 2 plays and a TD to squeak by SD State.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I said I doubt he makes it 3 years and at this rate he won't survive this season. From what I've heard a lot of the donors paying Doc's salary had to really be convinced to chip in and they made it clear they'll be quick to pull money if they don't like the direction he's taking the team.

What kind of guarantee does he have?

It will be interesting to see what kind of dough he can make as an assistant, at another school, should he quickly flame out at Marshall. I think he had a pretty nice contract while at WVU ($400K and a multiyear deal, which is pretty unheard of with assistants for us).

[Eaglesfan27]

Wild ending to the Clemson-Auburn OT game. Clemson kicker makes the FG to tie the game in 1st OT, but an illegal snap causes the play to be negated and the Clemson kicker misses it on the 2nd attempt to give Auburn the win.

[mauchow]

Wild ending to the Clemson-Auburn OT game. Clemson kicker makes the FG to tie the game in 1st OT, but an illegal snap causes the play to be negated and the Clemson kicker misses it on the 2nd attempt to give Auburn the win.

And on the play before on 3rd and 5 on the 8 yard line, the QB had his receiver wide open in the end zone and rifled it too far ahead of him and went through the hands of the receiver.

[Lathum]

Paging Tarcone, Tarcone, you here?

[Suicane75]

What an atrocious call by Brian Kelly and a worse execution of said call. Ooofah.

[Swaggs]

Paging Tarcone, Tarcone, you here?

Hush...

You already jinxed the Missouri game. ;)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like mizzou won on the last play of the game.

No, Mizzou scored with 51 seconds left. Pretty poor tackling by SDSU allowed a huge TD pass play. Most were pretty worried about the SDSU game because they've played well to start the season. I'm not sure MU expected this much of a challenge, but it's a win and that's all we need.

I'm just glad I didn't pay $40 to see a loss.

[kingfc22]

Bwhaahhaha.

Adios Irish.

[Swaggs]

Wow... looks like UCLA is jumping all over Houston early on.

[Galaril]

Wow feed the haters Notre Dame geez what a bunch of chumps:(

[Matthean]

MSU fakes a FG in OT to score a TD and win the game.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Gutsy, gutsy call by Dantonio. I love it!

Go Sparty!!

[Matthean]

Wow feed the haters Notre Dame geez what a bunch of chumps:(

I don't know how much better MSU can be as a program. I think them being 7-5, 8-4 is pretty ideal for them. Kelly has a was to go with ND though. MSU likely gets one more year where I can see they could hang with ND on a regular basis. Once Kelly builds his team and gets the recruits, ND should be favored to a default.

[Galaril]

I don't know how much better MSU can be as a program. I think them being 7-5, 8-4 is pretty ideal for them. Kelly has a was to go with ND though. MSU likely gets one more year where I can see they could hang with ND on a regular basis. Once Kelly builds his team and gets the recruits, ND should be favored to a default.


I don't think so. They have been saying that four coaches back now. Same ole same ole.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I don't think so. They have been saying that four coaches back now. Same ole same ole.

:+1:

I was thinking the exact same thing while reading that post.

[RomaGoth]

Paging Tarcone, Tarcone, you here?

Heh, was just wondering the same thing.

[RomaGoth]

I don't know how much better MSU can be as a program. I think them being 7-5, 8-4 is pretty ideal for them. Kelly has a was to go with ND though. MSU likely gets one more year where I can see they could hang with ND on a regular basis. Once Kelly builds his team and gets the recruits, ND should be favored to a default.

I pretty much agree with you. MSU will probably never be an elite program, while ND could and should be one again at some point. I think Kelly is going to be much better there than the last four coaches (one of which barely saw the campus).

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Here's the game winner in the Mizzou-SDSU game for the MU fans that might not have seen it.

MU game winner (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1599144695846)

[MizzouRah]

Here's the game winner in the Mizzou-SDSU game for the MU fans that might not have seen it.

MU game winner (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1599144695846)

I'm going to watch that 50X!!! I didn't pay $40, but I listened on the radio!

[MizzouRah]

Funny.. when I was listening they said it was Jackson who scored.

[Swaggs]

Andrew Luck is a stud.

I can't see how an NFL team, after doing its due dilligence, would pick another QB ahead of him.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm going to watch that 50X!!! I didn't pay $40, but I listened on the radio!

To be fair, I had poker over at my house tonight so everyone could watch it. I ended up winning $30 in the poker game, so it only cost me $10 to watch it. :)

[MizzouRah]

To be fair, I had poker over at my house tonight so everyone could watch it. I ended up winning $30 in the poker game, so it only cost me $10 to watch it. :)

I need to live closer to you so I can watch these $40 games. :D

[RainMaker]

Damn, Iowa getting exposed as frauds.

[Izulde]

Whatever progress UNLV made the first weeks disappeared tonight. Down 24-0 at the half and getting our asses kicked in every phase of the game. Only my favorite player, Wilson Chandler, kept it from being 31-0 with an interception in the end zone, the third I've seen from him this season.

It was 27-0 Idaho towards the end of the third when, after seeing RS freshman QB Caleb Herring get absolutely mauled on a third down play, I got too depressed to watch any more and left the restaurant.

I see we're a little into the 4th quarter and it's still 27-0.

As bad as we played tonight, we'll be fucking lucky to beat New Mexico next week. Before the season I figured we'd win about 4 games. Now I'll consider a fucking miracle if we even win 2.

[Matthean]

I don't think so. They have been saying that four coaches back now. Same ole same ole.

He's the first they've had in a long time that knows how to build a program. Kelly has proven he doesn't need that much talent to win. ND even under restrictions is going to pull more in than Cincinnati. Hell, they are currently ranked 6th at Rivals for 2011 recruits.

[RainMaker]

Until they loosen academic standards, and start cheating as much as they did with Holtz, they're screwed.
Screwed in a NC contender perspective, sure. But there is no excuse for this team not winning 9-10 games every year and being a perennial top 25 team. I could understand excuses if we're talking about losing to teams that cheat like USC, but they're losing consistently to mid-tier Big 10 and Big East schools. They have been having struggles with Navy. Their schedule has been very favorable over the years and they still can't compete at a top level.

I just think the excuses about recruiting are overblown. Sure they don't have the prestige of the 80's, but they still offer some nice traditions and a TV deal to incoming recruits. And in fact, I thought Weis did a good job recruiting. He produced NFL talent regularly and did pick up some of the big names.

Their problem in my opinion is the inability to let a coach get settled and rebuild. My GF is a Notre Dame grad and she came back from a get together of alumni and said everyone was bitching about Kelly. It's a fan base that won't give him 3-4 years to bring in his kind of kids that will run his kind of system. I thought Weis was a huge mistake and Kelly was a great signing.

[RainMaker]

He's the first they've had in a long time that knows how to build a program. Kelly has proven he doesn't need that much talent to win. ND even under restrictions is going to pull more in than Cincinnati. Hell, they are currently ranked 6th at Rivals for 2011 recruits.
Exactly. Kelly knows how to recruit this region and build a program. I don't know if they'll ever be NC contenders, but I think he'll have them in some major bowl games in 5 years.

[Recoil]

Paging Tarcone, Tarcone, you here?

He's on suicide watch.

[RainMaker]

Paging Tarcone, Tarcone, you here?
Stop jinxing.

[SirFozzie]

There was a red-out in Arizona.

Now there's a *facepalm*out.. but they blow the XP, so still tied.

[SirFozzie]

sacks on four straight plays. (one negated to a false start).. but holy shit.

[dawgfan]

How many players are Washington sending out there on defense?
Not nearly enough...

[tarcone]

Im so disappointed. We were outplayed. No doubt about it. We are nopt the #9 team in the nation.

GG Arizona

[dawgfan]

There has to be a point where people stop talking about the amazing tools Locker has and start openly wondering why a 5th year senior still is struggling to put things together on the field. I understand NFL scouts are in love with his physical tools, but I really question whether or not they're actually watching him play on Saturdays.
First, the context:

Remember that Locker was a Wing-T QB in high school and a zone read option QB with no real QB coach his first 3 years at Washington. So keep all of that in context when evaluating his progress as a passer and potential NFL QB.

Now, that said - I fear that Locker lacks some intangibles needed to be a good pro QB. I know he's only had good QB coaching for about a year and a half now, but he still panics, gets happy feet, locks on to receivers and forces passes far too much.

He's got the physical tools, no question. He's very personable and will have players gravitate to him. But can he get the mental part of the game down?

I think this game did a lot of damage to his NFL draft prospects, and after watching Luck tonight, it's clear to me that Locker is not the best NFL QB prospect in the conference.

[MrBug708]

Nice to get a win!

[kcchief19]

No, Mizzou scored with 51 seconds left. Pretty poor tackling by SDSU allowed a huge TD pass play. Most were pretty worried about the SDSU game because they've played well to start the season. I'm not sure MU expected this much of a challenge, but it's a win and that's all we need.

I'm just glad I didn't pay $40 to see a loss.
Just got home from the game (and the power just came back on too!) and it was something. I never gave up home. After Blaine's second pick with 3:20, the crowd began leaving, and a guy behind yelled that the game was over. I screamed, "C'mon, you can't give up on your boys!" They did give up. Easily a third of the crowd was gone when we won it.

We didn't deserve to win. Gabbert was horrible tonight, the receivers dropped too many balls and the defense couldn't tackle. Easy to blame the rain but they had those problems before the rain started.

That win was like hitting a two-outer on the river. But I'll take it!

[Schmidty]

Just finished watching the MSU-ND game. That was unbelievable. What a ballsy call by Dantonio. WOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

[Chief Rum]

Locker should've come out early and gotten paid.

Yup. I said that the day he decided to come back, too. Never should have returned to college. At the rate he's going, he'll drop himself out of the first round.

[Chief Rum]

Dola,

From my perspective, though, the good news in that is it makes it more likely he ends up pursuing a baseball career with the Angels instead. ;)

[Chief Rum]

Nice to get a win!

Yes, it was a good win. There were still little signs of some things that really need to be worked on, but there were a ton of good things to take away from it, too.

What will no doubt stand out to the rest of the country who won't have stayed up and watched is that UCLA kept one of the best offenses in the country to 374 yards total offense (about 200 under its average), and rolled up 256 yards on the ground, which is awfully un-UCLA like.

And if the receivers didn't make a couple key mistakes, and our freshman RB didn't drop a couple on the ground, the scoreline would have been much, much worse than it was.

[tarcone]

Im so disappointed. We were outplayed. No doubt about it. We are nopt the #9 team in the nation.

GG Arizona

Now I hope we meet Arizona in the Rose Bowl.

[Lathum]

Yup. I said that the day he decided to come back, too. Never should have returned to college. At the rate he's going, he'll drop himself out of the first round.

Selfishly I'm glad he came back but I agree with this. He is costing himself some bucks.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just got home from the game (and the power just came back on too!) and it was something. I never gave up home. After Blaine's second pick with 3:20, the crowd began leaving, and a guy behind yelled that the game was over. I screamed, "C'mon, you can't give up on your boys!" They did give up. Easily a third of the crowd was gone when we won it.

We didn't deserve to win. Gabbert was horrible tonight, the receivers dropped too many balls and the defense couldn't tackle. Easy to blame the rain but they had those problems before the rain started.

That win was like hitting a two-outer on the river. But I'll take it!

The nice thing about MU's offense, though we may struggle keeping our foot on the accelerator for 60 minutes, is that they don't have to switch gears at the end of each half. They just keep doing the same thing they've been doing all game.

As Pinkel said, always better to play a bad game and learn from a win, especially this early in the season. The young players on offense should get a wake-up call after this game.

[Edward64]

Selfishly I'm glad he came back but I agree with this. He is costing himself some bucks.
Mallett is a Jr and would love for him to come back ... but unless he has a terrible year, I'd tell him to go to the NFL early.

Although I value education, the bird-in-hand with a promise to go back is the smart thing to do.

[Ajaxab]

Mallett is a Jr and would love for him to come back ... but unless he has a terrible year, I'd tell him to go to the NFL early.

Although I value education, the bird-in-hand with a promise to go back is the smart thing to do.

How many of these jrs will decide to go pro with the impending lockout? Do they decide to go pro anyway or do they stay in school for playing time? it will be interesting to see how these decisions play themselves out.

[Butter]

Jesus, I felt sick at the end of the Clemson-Auburn game. As I've said before, if there's a team that can find new and creative ways to lose a game and torture its fans, it's Clemson.

I married into the fanbase, and they make me alternately high as a kite (OT win over Miami last year), and low as a crack whore (last night) on a yearly basis. I feel so bad for Parker, who played his ass off with what looked like a seriously painful back injury. Clemson-FSU looks like it will be the battle for the ACC division crown this year, vs. whoever can survive on the other side in the ACC title game.

[MJ4H]

I was impressed with Clemson.

[Swaggs]

Mallett is a Jr and would love for him to come back ... but unless he has a terrible year, I'd tell him to go to the NFL early.

Although I value education, the bird-in-hand with a promise to go back is the smart thing to do.

I wonder what Petrino will tell him.

Brian Brohm looked like he could have left after his Jr season and been a first rounder, but he came back for his Sr season (under a different HC after Petrino left) and then went in the 3rd or 4th round (and, I honestly don't know if he is even still on an active roster).

Michael Bush also came back to Louisville for his Sr season and broke his leg in the first game of the season. He ended up falling to the 4th round.

[MJ4H]

My guess is that he will be brutally honest with him. He's not exactly known for sugar-coating anything.

Mallett will be fine if he declares after this year. Petrino's system is very pro-style, and it demands the players be knowledgeable, much more so than most teams' systems.

Mallett has said that he promised his mom he would finish school, though. I don't know if that promise included an "eventually" or not, but I've heard him say that, personally. I think he said it in a press conference, too, but I'm not positive about that.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I wonder what Petrino will tell him.

Brian Brohm looked like he could have left after his Jr season and been a first rounder, but he came back for his Sr season (under a different HC after Petrino left) and then went in the 3rd or 4th round (and, I honestly don't know if he is even still on an active roster).

Michael Bush also came back to Louisville for his Sr season and broke his leg in the first game of the season. He ended up falling to the 4th round.

As someone mentioned above, the lockout situation is going to be THE deciding factor for most players this year depending on when a deal is worked out. That may come too late, resulting in most players coming back. I really don't see a lockout actually happening.

[MizzouRah]

What a great ending to the ND - MSU game.

Mizzou - my buddies son played with TJ Moe and he was right.. what a special player

[DeToxRox]

Mark Dantonio suffered a mild heart attack after the ND game last night. 1 PM presser on his condition.

[Galaril]

Mark Dantonio suffered a mild heart attack after the ND game last night. 1 PM presser on his condition.

Serious geez I guess God is a ND fan.

[Lathum]

Just saw that. Hope he is ok.

[Schmidty]

Mark Dantonio suffered a mild heart attack after the ND game last night. 1 PM presser on his condition.

He had to have a stent put in, so I'm wondering how mild it was.

He's definitely in my prayers. Not that he reads FOFC, but still.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

He had to have a stent put in, so I'm wondering how mild it was.

He's definitely in my prayers. Not that he reads FOFC, but still.

God Bless & get well soon to Dantonio.

Talk about a scary thing... Wow.

Great win, by the way!

[JonInMiddleGA]

A long-ago acquaintance of mine (several years older but grew up in the same town, etc) is a regular contributor to FoxSportsSouth.com these days, lately writing about college football & the SEC.

Check out his latest column (http://www.foxsportssouth.com/09/19/10/Mallett-Rising-Worst-3-0-Showing-and-a-N/landing.html?blockID=314097&feedID=4354) and if you're so inclined, throw a comment his way on this or one of his other articles.

He's done some good golf novels, knows enough CFB to work that street as well (even if I seem to rarely agree with his takes) and any traffic (especially comments/replies on their site) helps him with this gig.

[MJ4H]

I liked the article, but I don't think he is right on Mallett's "rap." I'd like to see which crazy-bad interceptions he threw. Now, baffling overthrows, rocketing a ball too hard to catch? Yes, he has done those in pressure situations. But, not really interceptions. Unless I'm just blanking on them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I liked the article, but I don't think he is right on Mallett's "rap." I'd like to see which crazy-bad interceptions he threw. Now, baffling overthrows, rocketing a ball too hard to catch? Yes, he has done those in pressure situations. But, not really interceptions. Unless I'm just blanking on them.

I'd say your take is fair. Here's a Yahoo piece (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/QB-Focus-Ryan-Mallett-slinging-Hogs-to-the-nex?urn=ncaaf-236536) that talks about what amounts to "bad Mallett", the inaccurate QB that occasionally appeared out of nowhere included a performance at Michigan that was described as "deranged". But there really aren't enough INT's in his career for me to think that's actually the issue, just the inaccuracy.

Honestly, it's probably just some lazy writer shorthand that equated the two. I won't lie, I don't believe writing CFB is his strong suit (I'm pretty sure he would agree with that opinion) but he's a good guy & if this helps him make a living then I'm happy to toss out a link or two, y'know?

[MJ4H]

I'd say your take is fair. Here's a Yahoo piece (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/QB-Focus-Ryan-Mallett-slinging-Hogs-to-the-nex?urn=ncaaf-236536) that talks about what amounts to "bad Mallett", the inaccurate QB that occasionally appeared out of nowhere included a performance at Michigan that was described as "deranged". But there really aren't enough INT's in his career for me to think that's actually the issue, just the inaccuracy.

Honestly, it's probably just some lazy writer shorthand that equated the two. I won't lie, I don't believe writing CFB is his strong suit (I'm pretty sure he would agree with that opinion) but he's a good guy & if this helps him make a living then I'm happy to toss out a link or two, y'know?

Oh yeah, no problem with that part. Just wanted to point out that it seemed wrong. I whole-heartedly agree with the inaccurate sentiment. He seems to do that under pressure/on the road. In his comfort zone at home, the guy is crazy accurate.

But his inaccuracy means aint no one gettin that thing :)

[Noop]

Nebraska might be the best team in America.

[JPhillips]

Alabama has that title until proven otherwise.

[Lathum]

Nebraska might be the best team in America.

I think we need to see their freshman QB in a big spot before that deceleration is made.

[Noop]

Alabama has that title until proven otherwise.
Alabama is very good but they have holes to fill.

I think we need to see their freshman QB in a big spot before that deceleration is made.

I agree but their defense is lights out reminds me of Alabama of last season.

[MJ4H]

I think we need to see their freshman QB in a big spot before that deceleration is made.

someone help me out im too lazy

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Nebraska might be the best team in America.

LOL......wait, you're serious?

Nebraska is WAY overrated at this point.

[dawgfan]

LOL......wait, you're serious?

Nebraska is WAY overrated at this point.
Uh-huh. And exactly who should be ranked ahead of them right now?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Houston Cougars loses Case Keenum, backup QB for season - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5593535)

[Poli]

Houston, we have a problem.

[MJ4H]

Uh-huh. And exactly who should be ranked ahead of them right now?

Alabama, pretty obviously.

[Chief Rum]

Houston Cougars loses Case Keenum, backup QB for season - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5593535)

Very disappointing for Houston. Rooting for the winning team, of course, I suppose I am magnanimous in my praise, but I found I really like Sumlin and what Houston's doing over there. I was happy for the win, but felt bad for Houston. To also then lose their top two QBS, ouch...

At the time of Keenum's injury, the commentators talked about the knee locking up as he was trying to chase Ayers down. They never mentioned season ender. But at the time, I kinda thought that looked like the kind of injury that might be a ligament tear or two. That's a real shame for Keenum to have that happen in his senior season. He was already working against the NFL question marks of quality of competition and system QB label.

Turner's injury was rather brutal. UCLA's middlebacker Larrimore just pasted right after he tossed a screen pass to the back. It was a knockout blow. I didn't think he would have broken anything, though. Turner had been pretty good in relief of Keenum prior to last night.

Incidentally, the frosh Broadway who will now start actually looked pretty good last night, although to be fair, the UCLA D had largely taken their foot off the pedal by that point.

[Noop]

LOL......wait, you're serious?

Nebraska is WAY overrated at this point.

You're perhaps the least informed guy in this thread. From what I have seen of them, I think they're top 3 in defense. They remind me of Alabama of last season...

[fpres]

Three weeks into the season, Nebraska is definitely a Top 10 team. Their defense would likely keep them in the game against anybody.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

You're perhaps the least informed guy in this thread. From what I have seen of them, I think they're top 3 in defense. They remind me of Alabama of last season...

So you've managed to come to that conclusion based on them playing Western Kentucky, Idaho, and Washington? I realize that you're the most informed person in this thread, but your LOL crazy if you think they're even remotely close to as good as Alabama last season.

[CU Tiger]

Just got settled back in from being in Auburn for the weekend.

Very impressed with Auburn's campus and such it was my fist visit here. Their stadium had a nice enough environment and a fair mix of fans.

What a crappy loss though by Clemson. I am sick of being one play away...we have been there for 10 years now. However one thing I will credit them for when they got punched in the mouth in the 3rd quarter they didnt fold like a cheap chair, like was so common in the Bowden days... the team played hard...but losers who play hard are still losers.

Here is hoping we continue to improve because we will have to get better to have any chance of playing in the ACCCG again.

And if the SEC is the bastion of great football that ESPN has forced me to believ it is, I can't imagine Aubun not losing 2 or 3 games before this year is over.

[Young Drachma]

Will Keenum make a Bradford-like recovery of his draft stock?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Very impressed with Auburn's campus and such it was my fist visit here. Their stadium had a nice enough environment and a fair mix of fans.

I've never been to a game there but the campus has always struck me as a pleasant little place.

[Noop]

So you've managed to come to that conclusion based on them playing Western Kentucky, Idaho, and Washington? I realize that you're the most informed person in this thread, but your LOL crazy if you think they're even remotely close to as good as Alabama last season.

Hardly. Let the season progress and we will see if you're right or wrong. I've been very impressed by Nebraska's defense despite the level of competition.

[CU Tiger]

I've never been to a game there but the campus has always struck me as a pleasant little place.

It was easy enough to find my way around.... since the old campus is identical to Clemson...and the fans were amazing.

After the game I had no less than 10 different fans stop us on the way to the car and say how impressed they were, or that we should havewon the game.

Sure there were a few cat calls profanity and such..but mostly from student aged folks and thats to be expected.

[dawgfan]

Alabama, pretty obviously.
And they are. MBBF saying Nebraska is "over rated" suggests there are teams ranked behind Nebraska that shouldn't be. I'm curious which of those teams should be ranked ahead of Nebraska.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sure there were a few cat calls profanity and such..but mostly from student aged folks and thats to be expected.

Kind of the opposite of my experiences as a "visitor" in Athens, the students are relatively well-behaved most of the time, it's the middle-aged guys who never matured past their sophomore year in the fraternity that are usually the drunkest & most obnoxious.

[Swaggs]

And they are. MBBF saying Nebraska is "over rated" suggests there are teams ranked behind Nebraska that shouldn't be. I'm curious which of those teams should be ranked ahead of Nebraska.

According to MBBF, most of the non-Missouri Big 12 North teams rank between over rated to pathetic.

Hard to believe that their fans tolerate a head coach, in Pinkel, that is .500 in the Big 12.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Mark Dantonio suffered a mild heart attack after the ND game last night. 1 PM presser on his condition.



"The Michigan football program sends our thoughts and prayers to Coach Dantonio and his family. We hope for a full and speedy recovery."


That guy... Brings a tear to my eye that not only is he a coaching genius, he can write sympathy cards too.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

According to MBBF, most of the non-Missouri Big 12 North teams rank between over rated to pathetic.

Hard to believe that their fans tolerate a head coach, in Pinkel, that is .500 in the Big 12.

What does Nebraska's national ranking have to do with Missouri? I certainly wasn't making any comparisons, but since you did.......

Nebraska and Missouri are about on the same level overall. They should both be fringe top 25 teams at this point. Nebraska hasn't played a defense rated above 'pillow-soft' at this point. Mizzou hasn't put it together on offense against their two tougher opponents, but has won all their games. Those are fringe top-25 team resumes.

[Noop]

What does Nebraska's national ranking have to do with Missouri? I certainly wasn't making any comparisons, but since you did.......

Nebraska and Missouri are about on the same level overall. They should both be fringe top 25 teams at this point. Nebraska hasn't played a defense rated above 'pillow-soft' at this point. Mizzou hasn't put it together on offense against their two tougher opponents, but has won all their games. Those are fringe top-25 team resumes.

LOL.

[Lathum]

someone help me out im too lazy

oh noes!

a misspelled word, alert the inteweb police.

thank God people like you are here to save us from poor grammar. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Lathum]

LOL.

+1

just a mind boggling statement.

[Swaggs]

What does Nebraska's national ranking have to do with Missouri? I certainly wasn't making any comparisons, but since you did.......

Nebraska and Missouri are about on the same level overall. They should both be fringe top 25 teams at this point. Nebraska hasn't played a defense rated above 'pillow-soft' at this point. Mizzou hasn't put it together on offense against their two tougher opponents, but has won all their games. Those are fringe top-25 team resumes.

I'm referring to the Nebraska-Mizzou game last season when you said that Missouri should never lose at home to an inferior program like Nebraska. And then Nebraska proceded to beat the crap out of Missouri on national television and went on to go 10-4, barely/questionably missed beating Texas for a BCS bid, and then destroyed a ranked Arizona in a bowl game.

Meanwhile, Missouri went 8-5 (which is about their MO -- see Pinkel's lifetime 70-46 @ Mizzou overall and 36-36 Big 12 record) and got whipped by an unranked Navy in their bowl.

They earned their spot in the top 10 and have dominated their inferior opponents, like good teams should do, this season. Missouri has won their three games and is a borderline top 25 team based on that "success."

I could also go into your citing Kansas as the doormat of the Big 12, even though they won a BCS game three years ago (and have won several bowl games over the past 5 years) and I assume you think Kansas State (played in a BCS bowl in 2004), Colorado (they stink now, but have the same .500 conference record as Missouri during Pinkel's tenure), and Iowa State are all somewhere around to beneath Kansas' level, which would be fair.

Which leads to the question -- If the other five teams in the Big 12 North are so bad, why is Missouri only .500 in the Big 12 over the past 10-years?

[MJ4H]

oh noes!

a misspelled word, alert the inteweb police.

thank God people like you are here to save us from poor grammar. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No, I meant someone help me out in coming up with a joke using the word deceleration. Come on, it should be easy. I'm just tired.

[Galaril]

So, in the Notre Dame MSU game it appears the clock had run out before the tricky fake field goal in OT. The Big East officiating office said that the call was correct but from looking at the video it was obviously a good second before the ball was snapped after 00. I just want to point it out so next time folks say how ND gets special treatment they should remember that shit goes both ways. ...Anyways, it doesn't matter time for the Irsih to get ready for the thrashing they are going to get from Stanford this weekend.

[Ksyrup]

The Big East talked about "natural lag time" from viewing the clock to seeing whether the ball was snapped. This isn't the first time that issue has come up. I think it might have been in the NFL, and I heard a similar explanation. I think it boils down to how aware the ref is who is responsible for the clock - if he's waiting for it, he'll call it immediately. If he's reacting to it, the offense gets a split-second break.

[Noop]

So, in the Notre Dame MSU game it appears the clock had run out before the tricky fake field goal in OT. The Big East officiating office said that the call was correct but from looking at the video it was obviously a good second before the ball was snapped after 00. I just want to point it out so next time folks say how ND gets special treatment they should remember that shit goes both ways. ...Anyways, it doesn't matter time for the Irsih to get ready for the thrashing they are going to get from Stanford this weekend.

But they do get special treatment.

[Swaggs]

It is sounding more and more likely that Villanova will make the jump up from subdivision to Big East within a few seasons (and with a couple of years of transition, of course).

Not sure how I feel about it if it ends up happening. UConn made a pretty efficient transition, but they are a large, state school. Villanova is obviously in a good market (that they will obviously not own, but between Rutgers and Villanova, it will give the conference a good foothold and it is in the wheelhouse of our footprint). Most of the other BCS conferences have one or two small, private schools that usually occasionally contribute to the football side (Duke, Vandy, Baylor, Wake, Stanford, Northwestern etc.), but are usually in the bottom half of the league. And, they are a very good basketball school, at least. Plus, having 9 teams means 4H/4A conference games per year, which is a big help in scheduling.

On the downside, I don't think they have a ton of upside and they don't really have a good place to play their games. Hopefully, this is just phase one of a drive to get to 10 or 12 schools (maybe Memphis all sports and ECU and UCF as football only, with another basketball-only school like St. Louis, Xavier, or a VA school like JMU or Richmond to balance things out?).

[Logan]

I'm referring to the Nebraska-Mizzou game last season when you said that Missouri should never lose at home to an inferior program like Nebraska. And then Nebraska proceded to beat the crap out of Missouri on national television and went on to go 10-4, barely/questionably missed beating Texas for a BCS bid, and then destroyed a ranked Arizona in a bowl game.

Meanwhile, Missouri went 8-5 (which is about their MO -- see Pinkel's lifetime 70-46 @ Mizzou overall and 36-36 Big 12 record) and got whipped by an unranked Navy in their bowl.

They earned their spot in the top 10 and have dominated their inferior opponents, like good teams should do, this season. Missouri has won their three games and is a borderline top 25 team based on that "success."

I could also go into your citing Kansas as the doormat of the Big 12, even though they won a BCS game three years ago (and have won several bowl games over the past 5 years) and I assume you think Kansas State (played in a BCS bowl in 2004), Colorado (they stink now, but have the same .500 conference record as Missouri during Pinkel's tenure), and Iowa State are all somewhere around to beneath Kansas' level, which would be fair.

Which leads to the question -- If the other five teams in the Big 12 North are so bad, why is Missouri only .500 in the Big 12 over the past 10-years?

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[BishopMVP]

That UW crowd is sooo loud. Cameras shaking and the FROSH QB is getting rattled!Oops.There has to be a point where people stop talking about the amazing tools Locker has and start openly wondering why a 5th year senior still is struggling to put things together on the field. I understand NFL scouts are in love with his physical tools, but I really question whether or not they're actually watching him play on Saturdays.Locker should've come out early and gotten paid.Yup. I said that the day he decided to come back, too. Never should have returned to college. At the rate he's going, he'll drop himself out of the first round.The Locker hype was always mostly that - media hype. It's an unprovable assertion, but I don't believe he was ever in line to be a top 10 pick, let alone the #1 overall. Even one of the NFL's evaluators said so.As pointed out in the Associated Press article regarding Locker's decision not to forgo his final season of college eligibility, Locker had submitted his name for consideration to the NFL Collegiate Advisory Committee, which estimates where a player might be drafted.

Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick, a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee.

The source concedes that Locker might have still be drafted in round one given the value of the position, but the source insists that McShay was flat wrong in his assessment of Locker.

"That's the problem," the source opined. "McShay is clueless. Up until three weeks before the 2008 draft, he said that [Kentucky's] Andre Woodson would be a first-round pick. He went in the sixth and is out of the league."Maybe a team like the Raiders would have fallen in love with the raw tools, but I think most scouts were well aware of his deficiencies all along.Until they (Notre Dame) loosen academic standards, and start cheating as much as they did with Holtz, they're screwed.This reminds me of all the ND can't recruit commentators until Weis showed up. He was a poor defensive coach, but he recruited and developed plenty of offensive talent, from guys playing in the NFL (Clausen, Tate) to possible 1st round picks (Floyd, Rudolph). Maybe you should give Kelly more than 2 3/4 point losses to (borderline) top 25 teams, 1 in OT and the other when forced to play a freshman and a walk-on at QB for half the game, before you write him and the whole school off.

Swaggs - JMU is a much more likely long-term transition candidate than Richmond imo, although their lack of success in basketball may kill their chances of an invite. Where are you seeing the Villanova info? I still find it hard to believe they can find the money for a venue and a successful upgrade - what do they have that Temple didn't or doesn't (other than current BE membership)?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm referring to the Nebraska-Mizzou game last season when you said that Missouri should never lose at home to an inferior program like Nebraska. And then Nebraska proceded to beat the crap out of Missouri on national television and went on to go 10-4, barely/questionably missed beating Texas for a BCS bid, and then destroyed a ranked Arizona in a bowl game.

Meanwhile, Missouri went 8-5 (which is about their MO -- see Pinkel's lifetime 70-46 @ Mizzou overall and 36-36 Big 12 record) and got whipped by an unranked Navy in their bowl.

They earned their spot in the top 10 and have dominated their inferior opponents, like good teams should do, this season. Missouri has won their three games and is a borderline top 25 team based on that "success."

I could also go into your citing Kansas as the doormat of the Big 12, even though they won a BCS game three years ago (and have won several bowl games over the past 5 years) and I assume you think Kansas State (played in a BCS bowl in 2004), Colorado (they stink now, but have the same .500 conference record as Missouri during Pinkel's tenure), and Iowa State are all somewhere around to beneath Kansas' level, which would be fair.

Which leads to the question -- If the other five teams in the Big 12 North are so bad, why is Missouri only .500 in the Big 12 over the past 10-years?

Interesting selection to use the past 10 years. Most people who know college football will tell you that anything outside of a five year window is a poor measurement to use of programs. I think you'll find a different picture of the situation during that time. Mizzou is 45-21 overall and 24-16 in conference play. Mizzou has won two of the last three B12 North titles and obviously gave away what would have been three straight North titles with an epic collapse of their own doing. You also conveniently left out that Mizzou was a win away from going to a national championship game within the last five years. Nebraska can't even claim that.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. NU is clearly not anywhere close to a top 10 team and that will prove itself out over the course of B12 play. They're a top 25-30 program and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.

Your last question is obviously answered by the point I made in the first statement. Mizzou had some poor years in the first five years of that ten year window you're losing. As I noted, most analysts wouldn't use that length of time to measure the health of a program.

[panerd]

Interesting selection to use the past 10 years. Most people who know college football will tell you that anything outside of a five year window is a poor measurement to use of programs. I think you'll find a different picture of the situation during that time. Mizzou has won two of the last three B12 North titles and obviously gave away what would have been three straight North titles with an epic collapse of their own doing. You also conveniently left out that Mizzou was a win away from going to a national championship game within the last five years. Nebraska can't even claim that.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. NU is clearly not anywhere close to a top 10 team and that will prove itself out over the course of B12 play. They're a top 25-30 program and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.

Your last question is obviously answered by the point I made in the first statement. Mizzou had some poor years in the first five years of that ten year window you're losing. As I noted, most analysts wouldn't use that length of time to measure the health of a program.

Let's make this clear that the views of MBBF do not necessarily reflect on the views of 99.9% of Mizzou fans. (Sadly actually probably like 80%) Nebraska is a better team both now and (without any argument whatsoever) the history of college football.

Mizzou's magical run to the Big 12 title game a few years ago where they were one game from the National Championship is one of my great sports memories. That team was really special to me. But this is not an accomplishment worthy of putting yourself beside Nebraska football! This argument puts us on par with a program like West Virginia. Every program has a story like that and most programs involve a team that went much further than the National Title game minus 1.

So please resist flaming Mizzou and instead focus on flaming MBBF. I don't want to watch my favorite team picked apart because of intense homerism. (be it PS3, politics, Mizzou sports)

[panerd]

I'm referring to the Nebraska-Mizzou game last season when you said that Missouri should never lose at home to an inferior program like Nebraska. And then Nebraska proceded to beat the crap out of Missouri on national television and went on to go 10-4, barely/questionably missed beating Texas for a BCS bid, and then destroyed a ranked Arizona in a bowl game.

Meanwhile, Missouri went 8-5 (which is about their MO -- see Pinkel's lifetime 70-46 @ Mizzou overall and 36-36 Big 12 record) and got whipped by an unranked Navy in their bowl.

They earned their spot in the top 10 and have dominated their inferior opponents, like good teams should do, this season. Missouri has won their three games and is a borderline top 25 team based on that "success."

I could also go into your citing Kansas as the doormat of the Big 12, even though they won a BCS game three years ago (and have won several bowl games over the past 5 years) and I assume you think Kansas State (played in a BCS bowl in 2004), Colorado (they stink now, but have the same .500 conference record as Missouri during Pinkel's tenure), and Iowa State are all somewhere around to beneath Kansas' level, which would be fair.

Which leads to the question -- If the other five teams in the Big 12 North are so bad, why is Missouri only .500 in the Big 12 over the past 10-years?

Interesting points and agree completely with the first 4 paragraphs. The last paragraph answer however is actually quite simple... the Big 12 South. I can research Gary Pinkel vs the North but my ballpark estimate would be probably around .750 vs them. While he probably is at like .250 vs the South.

(EDIT: looked up last three seasons... We are 13-2 vs the North and 3-8 vs the South)

[fpres]

IMO, Nebraska's crucial stretch will come in October. They host Texas and Missouri, with a game at Stillwater sandwiched in between. If the Longhorns haven't figured out their run game by then, I think that one will go the Huskers.

If they come out of the Mizzou game 8-0, the remainder of their Big12 schedule doesn't look too bad. Of course, anything is possible with a freshman QB...so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst (a couple of losses due to offensive issues).

[Lathum]

They're a top 25-30 program and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.


List 25-29 programs currently better.

Jesus, is this what I am like with Eli Manning, someone just shoot me.

[MJ4H]

lol (fwiw: no)

[wade moore]

List 25-29 programs currently better.

Jesus, is this what I am like with Eli Manning, someone just shoot me.

lol (fwiw: no)

I'd answer a little differently.

As bad, no. To a somewhat lesser degree, it's the same thing though.