College Football Week 6 -When death is on the line [Archive]

Matthean

10-07-2010, 08:05 PM

Fan puts off pacemaker surgery to watch Michigan State-Michigan on TV - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5657989)

MSU vs. Michigan. IMO, way too many fans will be overly happy, or sad after the outcome. As much as I can't stand RR, I'm saving up just in case Michigan does win due to being a Michigan fan in Spartan country.

'Bama vs. South Carolina. Last of the trilogy for 'Bama before their schedule gets less crazy.

LSU vs. Florida. Normally a good match up, but this year there's a lot of luster gone.

FSU vs. Miami of Florida. Decent match up even if it doesn't recall the glory years.

BCS standings to premiere on ESPN.

BCS standings to be released Sundays on ESPN - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5656545)

DeToxRox

10-07-2010, 08:23 PM

I think MSU wins a close one but if UM wins I won't be shocked. I just chuckle at people who say MSU is some even average defense. They are awful on D. Their O is probably the best in the Big Ten (sans Denard Robinson at this point)

dawgfan

10-07-2010, 08:28 PM

Bowl elimination time for Washington and Arizona State - loser of that game is going to have a really hard time getting bowl eligible this year, ASU even more so than Washington. Should be interesting to see if the Huskies can carry forward their good momentum after beating USC on the road into Husky Stadium and beat a dangerous Sun Devil team.

Noop

10-07-2010, 08:30 PM

Nebraska is very good.

BishopMVP

10-07-2010, 08:34 PM

MSU-Michigan - they're both fun teams to watch with a good running game and a very flawed defense. I still think both should be ranked around 20-25 after this game, but winner probably gets a top 10 spot.

LSU-Florida - may have lost its luster in your eyes but they're both still in the national title chase. Florida because they should get a chance for revenge if they beat South Carolina, and LSU because despite Les Miles apparent efforts to become the first coach fired the year he leads his team to the national championship entirely for his on-field coaching they are still an undefeatedSEC West team.

Nebraska-Kansas State - At the risk of jinxing them in the second half, Taylor Martinez is clearly overrated and can't run the ball vs. a good defense while Nebraska is barely even a top 25 team - probably more like 30.

Arkansas @ Texas A&M
Oregon St @ Arizona
Pitt @ Notre Dame
Utah @ Iowa St
Illinois @ Penn St
Colorado @ Missouri

all intrigue me some as shake out games. The first three because they have 1 or 2 loss teams that can begin to match their preseason expectations/goals with a win, and the last three because ISU, Illinois and Colorado have all been surprisingly frisky so far and it's time to see if those were one week flukes or any of them have staying power. There's also New Mexico @ New Mexico St. to figure out who's #119 and who's #120. Sadly the new Mexico does not appear to have the talent base to sustain one FBS team, let alone two.

Swaggs

10-07-2010, 08:36 PM

Nebraska is very good.

They are borderline top 25 from what I hear.

Lathum

10-07-2010, 08:42 PM

Nebraska is good

Lathum

10-07-2010, 08:43 PM

They are borderline top 25 from what I hear.

Awesome

Noop

10-07-2010, 08:43 PM

They are borderline top 25 from what I hear.

I didn't notice Bishop said it. Isn't he a Kansas State fan? If so then I think he's just being bias.

TroyF

10-07-2010, 08:44 PM

Bishop. . . KState has a poor defense. I thought they'd play better (see my pick in the lock of the week thread), but their D is not good.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-07-2010, 08:57 PM

Bishop. . . KState has a poor defense. I thought they'd play better (see my pick in the lock of the week thread), but their D is not good.

You're being kind to say KSU's defense isn't good. There's a reason they're not ranked even though they haven't lost a game. They struggled to beat a really bad ISU squad.

When a team does nothing but run and you still can't stop them, you're a lousy defense.

EagleFan

10-07-2010, 09:51 PM

Expected a Princess Bride reference...

Easy Mac

10-07-2010, 09:53 PM

dantonio does not see the irony.

Izulde

10-07-2010, 10:53 PM

UNLV will get assraped by West Virginia, esp. since Payne's missing the game due to a one game disciplinary suspension.

But then, I'm supposed to have a dinner date Saturday night so maybe it'll work out.

tarcone

10-07-2010, 11:07 PM

Iowa has a bye. Two weeks to prepare for Dernard Robinson. Lots of emotion with the news of DC Parker.
Get well coach.

Nebraska is impressive. I would like to see Oregon vs. Nebraska

BishopMVP

10-08-2010, 06:19 AM

I didn't notice Bishop said it. Isn't he a Kansas State fan? If so then I think he's just being bias.I was making fun of MBBF's constant mockery of Nebraska and the Big 12 North. I have Nebraska #4 in my poll right now, higher than anyone but you. Martinez's throwing did look pretty ugly on the few deep balls they tried, even the one that connected, but Air Force/Navy/Georgia Tech have shown you can be successful without a real passing attack. (And fwiw I was only a K-State fan for a 2 year period.)

panerd

10-08-2010, 06:43 AM

I will side somewhere in the middle of MBBF and the desire everyone has for Nebraska to be an elite top 5 team again. Their defense is really really really good. K-State's defense is really really really bad. Nebraska threw the ball 10 times last night. The jury is still out on whether or not this offensive scheme is any good. Nebraska is top 20 for sure but top 10 is really pushing it.

Noop

10-08-2010, 07:16 AM

I was making fun of MBBF's constant mockery of Nebraska and the Big 12 North. I have Nebraska #4 in my poll right now, higher than anyone but you. Martinez's throwing did look pretty ugly on the few deep balls they tried, even the one that connected, but Air Force/Navy/Georgia Tech have shown you can be successful without a real passing attack. (And fwiw I was only a K-State fan for a 2 year period.)

Cool. Nebraska is a legit top 5 team in my opinion and is largely due to their defense. MBBF is just a delusional hater who at this point is pure comedy with his assertions.

panerd

10-08-2010, 08:55 AM

Cool. Nebraska is a legit top 5 team in my opinion and is largely due to their defense. MBBF is just a delusional hater who at this point is pure comedy with his assertions.

MBBF, myself, sterlingice, cartman, Mizzourah watch plenty of Big 12 (especially big 12 North football). Nebraska is yet to be tested. You can put them top 5 if you want but I don't think you really know how bad K-State is. I don't know much about the ACC's lower teams and you don't seem to know much about the big 12's. (Or you could just make fun of MBBF until Nebraska runs into some of the teams from the big 12 South and starts losing)

BishopMVP

10-08-2010, 08:59 AM

Nebraska is top 20 for sure but top 10 is really pushing it.I don't think they are what I normally consider a "Top 5" team, but go find me 10 (or 19) you'll definitely put above them. So far Alabama, Ohio State and Oregon have looked great, then you've got a group of 10-12 flawed or unproven teams Nebraska is definitely in, and then you have a bunch of teams that don't deserve to be ranked higher than 25. The teams between 8 and 12 right now are Auburn, Arizona, LSU, Utah, Florida and Arkansas - how many of them have looked better than/would you take on a neutral field over Nebraska?

BishopMVP

10-08-2010, 09:02 AM

If K-State is so bad, how did they beat a UCLA team that went into Austin and won by 20+ and now people have as a fringe top 25 team?

Lathum

10-08-2010, 09:04 AM

Nebraska also toyed with a UW team on the road in a very tough environment. The same UW team that beat USC at the coliseum.

MrBug708

10-08-2010, 09:04 AM

If K-State is so bad, how did they beat a UCLA team that went into Austin and won by 20+ and now people have as a fringe top 25 team?

Because our QB hadn't practice in 3 weeks and it was our first week using the pistol. If we played that game 9 more times, UCLA would probably win every time. It's the breaks though

Noop

10-08-2010, 09:15 AM

Swaggs

10-08-2010, 09:20 AM

DeToxRox

10-08-2010, 09:34 AM

Noop

10-08-2010, 10:12 AM

Nebraska has the best secondary in football. It's just disgusting. I don't see how OU will be able to score enough on them in the Big 12 Title Game.

Count me in as wanting to see Nebraska vs Alabama in an old school war. It'll be boring to some but it'll be a blood bath on the field.

Yup. On Football Outside they have the number pass defense on standard downs as well as passing downs. I however was surprised to they aren't that good against the run. I want to put that on them not having Suh anchor that line anymore.

TroyF

10-08-2010, 10:15 AM

Just for the record, I just said KState didn't have a good defense.

Nebraska has looked like one of the more dominant teams in college football this year. I'm not convinced their offense could beat a really good pro style defense, but they are a damned good football team.

panerd

10-08-2010, 10:58 AM

Atocep

10-08-2010, 11:18 AM

Yeah that's it. We hate Colorado so much also.

When was the last time Colorado was relevant?

dawgfan

10-08-2010, 01:14 PM

Yup. On Football Outside they have the number pass defense on standard downs as well as passing downs. I however was surprised to they aren't that good against the run. I want to put that on them not having Suh anchor that line anymore.
That doesn't surprise me. Their linemen have 2-gap responsibility and they typically run a 4-2-5, and often put in a dime back. They are built to stop modern spread offenses and are somewhat vulnerable to an old-fashioned power running attack.

Put it this way - I think Nebraska's defense would do better against Oregon than they would Stanford.

JonInMiddleGA

10-08-2010, 01:41 PM

UGA police chief confident student athletes not involved in burglary, theft || OnlineAthens.com (http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/100810/bre_717638689.shtml)

Basically the athletes aren't thieves, they just live with a thief.

While I tend to agree with the NCAA on a number of positions they've taken, the decision to end athletic dorms seems to have been one that has added a considerable degree of difficulty for coaches & administrations when it comes to controlling & monitoring players behavior.

Easy Mac

10-08-2010, 02:06 PM

3:30 abc/espn coverage map. So in SC, we get the Clemson game on ABC HD, the Michigan game on ESPN SD, ESPN News on ESPN HD, and Arkansas on ESPN3. I hate ESPN.
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8 pm abc coverage map:
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Passacaglia

10-08-2010, 02:17 PM

reverser mirror?

BishopMVP

10-08-2010, 03:05 PM

The problem is that it is easy to identify flaws with a lot of this season's good teams, but other than the top 3-5 (who probably also have some lesser flaws), someone has to fill out the rest of the top 10 or 25.

There aren't two dozen '01 Miami's or '95 Nebraska's playing every season.This is basically what I'm getting at too. You can't say Nebraska isn't a top 10 team because you don't feel they are that good - you have to convince me (or whomever) that a Utah, Arizona or LSU is better.Because our QB hadn't practice in 3 weeks and it was our first week using the pistol. If we played that game 9 more times, UCLA would probably win every time. It's the breaks thoughKevin Prince was the reason you couldn't tackle to the tune of 313 yards rushing by K-State? I do know what you're saying (and won't give you some dickish spiel about how ND would be 4-1 if our QB didn't get injured etc.), but if Kansas State was *as* bad as their fellow B12 members make them out to be it wouldn't have mattered. They're a solid middle BCS conference team with a good running game and a solid defense - they'll end up with 3-4 conference wins and a bowl berth - and they just got embarrassed at home in the marquee game of their season.Kordell Stewart. Michael Westbrook. Bill McCartney.Daniel Graham. Andre Gurode. Gary Barnett.reverser mirror?The reverse mirror is what ESPN uses when ABC is doing a multi-feed telecast. I don't entirely understand the technicalities, but ESPN uses a "reverse mirror" (basically taking and then rebroadcasting ABC's feed) to show an additional game on ESPN/ESPN2 in every area. They don't have the bandwidth to broadcast more than 1 HD feed per channel at this point, so it often ends up with that game on ESPNSD and ESPNnews on ESPNHD.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-08-2010, 04:27 PM

Yeah that's it. We hate Colorado so much also.

***chuckle***

I'm looking forward to the MU/CU game. It's basically an elimination game despite the fact that it's so early in the season. The winner of the game is in line to compete for the North title. The loser has an uphill climb.

the_meanstrosity

10-08-2010, 04:35 PM

I've come to the conclusion the Nebraska hate from Big 12 fans is because they are headed toward the Big 10. They are laying beat downs on the teams they're suppose to be beat down.

So according to Big 12 fans who will challenge Nebraska in the coming weeks? Texas? Ok State? Mizzou? Kansas? From what I can tell all of those game are winnable. Please enlighten me.

Missouri and Oklahoma State are probably the two best teams left on their schedule, but as you said both of those games are winnable for Nebraska. Oklahoma is probably the only team remaining in front of them (in the Championship game) that will be favored over Nebraska. Texas could surprise us and give the Huskers a good game, but that's only if the Texas offense finds their spark.

MrBug708

10-08-2010, 05:48 PM

Kevin Prince was the reason you couldn't tackle to the tune of 313 yards rushing by K-State? I do know what you're saying (and won't give you some dickish spiel about how ND would be 4-1 if our QB didn't get injured etc.), but if Kansas State was *as* bad as their fellow B12 members make them out to be it wouldn't have mattered. They're a solid middle BCS conference team with a good running game and a solid defense - they'll end up with 3-4 conference wins and a bowl berth - and they just got embarrassed at home in the marquee game of their season.

Ya. We lost the game because of our offense, not our defense.

MizzouRah

10-08-2010, 05:55 PM

MBBF, myself, sterlingice, cartman, Mizzourah watch plenty of Big 12 (especially big 12 North football). Nebraska is yet to be tested. You can put them top 5 if you want but I don't think you really know how bad K-State is. I don't know much about the ACC's lower teams and you don't seem to know much about the big 12's. (Or you could just make fun of MBBF until Nebraska runs into some of the teams from the big 12 South and starts losing)

Nebraska has another Eric Crouch on their team... let the pocket fall apart and then run the ball. :)

MizzouRah

10-08-2010, 05:57 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-08-2010, 06:09 PM

Nebraska has the best secondary in football. It's just disgusting. I don't see how OU will be able to score enough on them in the Big 12 Title Game.

I sure hope this is sarcasm. If it isn't, it should be.

dawgfan

10-08-2010, 07:39 PM

I sure hope this is sarcasm. If it isn't, it should be.
Which part? Because I think the Huskers have a very strong case as the top pass defense in the country.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-08-2010, 08:06 PM

Which part? Because I think the Huskers have a very strong case as the top pass defense in the country.

As was noted previously, NU hasn't had anything even remotely resembling a test thus far. There's some good passing attacks down their schedule, so they'll be tested soon. But up to this point, there's no real basis to make that kind of statement.

BishopMVP

10-08-2010, 08:34 PM

LOL.. Alabama would KILL NebraskaWho wouldn't Alabama kill right now?As was noted previously, NU hasn't had anything even remotely resembling a test thus far.I realize it's no murderer's row like Illinois, McNeese State, San Diego State and Miami (Ohio), but Nebraska has beaten teams who have beaten USC and UCLA already. And since it's a subjective statement, we can also take into account last year's performance. Personally I'm not sold on the safeties, but Dennard and Anukamara are probably the best CB tandem in the nation.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-08-2010, 08:38 PM

Who wouldn't Alabama kill right now?I realize it's no murderer's row like Illinois, McNeese State, San Diego State and Miami (Ohio), but Nebraska has beaten teams who have beaten USC and UCLA already. And since it's a subjective statement, we can also take into account last year's performance. Personally I'm not sold on the safeties, but Dennard and Anukamara are probably the best CB tandem in the nation.

And again, with the Mizzou comments. I guess it's a bit too much to judge Nebraska on its own merits.

I think those games say far more about UCLA and USC laying a monstrous egg than NU being the best defense in the nation.

As noted, Nebraska will play two ranked teams in the next three weeks. They'll get some tests and try to verify the god-like status they seem to hold in FOFC-land.

MizzouRah

10-08-2010, 08:43 PM

Who wouldn't Alabama kill right now?

I would agree with that statement.

I might be off base here, but I'd love to see them face Oregon and I honestly think Boise St. would be a better matchup than Nebraska at this point.

As much as I can't stand Nebraska, I do like watching QB Taylor Martinez play.

Atocep

10-08-2010, 08:56 PM

I feel bad for Rutgers fans. This team isn't terrible, but they're painful to watch.

Lathum

10-08-2010, 09:00 PM

I feel bad for Rutgers fans. This team isn't terrible, but they're painful to watch.

Savage being out hurts, although Dodd has looked decent.

Swaggs

10-08-2010, 10:01 PM

Dodd is looking really good.

I think Schiano should go for the kill here, rather than dicking around with a FG (unless UConn stops them).

Atocep

10-08-2010, 10:01 PM

Savage being out hurts, although Dodd has looked decent.

I don't think Savage being out has hurt much. Savage has been awful this year and they've looked far more confident in terms of playcalling in the 2nd half with Dodd than they have lately with Savage.

Lathum

10-08-2010, 10:05 PM

It was still the third quarter when I posted that, he has looked amazing in the 4th quarter.

Matthean

10-08-2010, 11:21 PM

I think I hate Facebook for this week. I can't wait for the weekend to be over just for the MSU fans to start shutting up. I'm holding my tongue and saving up just in case Michigan does win, but I don't think they will.

General Mike

10-08-2010, 11:48 PM

I feel bad for Rutgers fans. This team isn't terrible, but they're painful to watch.

I feel bad for the people who quit on the team in the 3rd quarter and missed a great end to the game.

Atocep

10-09-2010, 12:19 AM

I feel bad for the people who quit on the team in the 3rd quarter and missed a great end to the game.

It turned out to be a good game, but the playcalling for Rutgers from what I've seen has been abysmal this season except for that 2nd half.

General Mike

10-09-2010, 12:28 AM

It turned out to be a good game, but the playcalling for Rutgers from what I've seen has been abysmal this season except for that 2nd half.

The playcalling has been questionable at times, but they were down 7 points, not 17. People can come up with legitimate excuses for leaving, but some of the people who left just aren't real fans of the team.

ISiddiqui

10-09-2010, 12:50 AM

The playcalling is abysmal because Schiano, while a great recruiter, sucks balls as a gameday coach.

Logan

10-09-2010, 12:59 AM

The playcalling has been questionable at times, but they were down 7 points, not 17. People can come up with legitimate excuses for leaving, but some of the people who left just aren't real fans of the team.

The playcalling is of a completely different realm with Dodd is in there compared to Savage. We saw it at the end of the Tulane game and it really showed here. Dodd hit 7 different receivers tonight in his first real action...I really don't think Savage hit more than 4 receivers in any game last year. The second quarter today was a disaster, too much Wild Knight and too many penalties, but Dodd was great in the 2nd half. He really throws a beautiful ball and his pocket presence is uncanny considering his experience.

dawgfan

10-09-2010, 01:56 AM

As was noted previously, NU hasn't had anything even remotely resembling a test thus far. There's some good passing attacks down their schedule, so they'll be tested soon. But up to this point, there's no real basis to make that kind of statement.
Why do I even bother engaging you? You're an absolute fucking idiot. Nebraska has faced 2 future NFL QB's so far in Jake Locker and Nathan Enderle - Locker projected as a 1st rounder, Enderle as a late rounder - and made both look awful. They have a guy who is widely considered the best CB prospect in the next draft and a possible top-5 overall pick.

Your Big-12 bias is amusing, but Nebraska will face no more dangerous passing attack this season than Washington.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 01:57 AM

And again, with the Mizzou comments. I guess it's a bit too much to judge Nebraska on its own merits.

As noted, Nebraska will play two ranked teams in the next three weeks. They'll get some tests and try to verify the god-like status they seem to hold in FOFC-land.At the risk of inflating your ego, you do realize that 90% of the posts defending/promoting Nebraska are based off the ridiculously low baseline you set in the past week's thread?Nebraska and Missouri are about on the same level overall. They should both be fringe top 25 teams at this point. Nebraska hasn't played a defense rated above 'pillow-soft' at this point. Mizzou hasn't put it together on offense against their two tougher opponents, but has won all their games. Those are fringe top-25 team resumes.In the end, it doesn't really matter. NU is clearly not anywhere close to a top 10 team and that will prove itself out over the course of B12 play. They're a top 25-30 program and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.Again, if you want to post your list of 10 teams that deserve to be ranked above Nebraska at this point, let alone 25-30, have at it. I won't be holding my breath because you're clearly just waiting and hoping Nebraska loses some games so you can come back and post about how you knew it all along. If they go 12-0 in the regular season (which for the record I don't think they will do)? Schedule was a joke. If they beat Oklahoma in the B12 title game? Oklahoma was overrated and struggled vs. Cincy, Utah State and Air Force.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 02:00 AM

Your Big-12 bias is amusing, but Nebraska will face no more dangerous passing attack this season than Washington.Here I disagree with you (Oklahoma State/Texas A&M). Rest of the post - spot on.

dawgfan

10-09-2010, 02:11 AM

Here I disagree with you (Oklahoma State/Texas A&M). Rest of the post - spot on.
Maybe Oklahoma State is comparable, but I can't agree with Texas A&M.

I think we can at least agree that the statement that Nebraska's pass defense hasn't seen "...anything even remotely resembling a test so far" is idiotic in the extreme.

Matthean

10-09-2010, 08:01 AM

Nebraska Cornhuskers plans $56M football stadium expansion - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5662189)

Nebraska is set to expand it's football stadium and likely can thank the Big Ten for it.

tarcone

10-09-2010, 09:02 AM

I would say Nebraska is probably the 3rd best Big10 team and definite op 10 team. :)

Im looking forward to the Michigan/MSU game today. It should be a good one.

I hope South Carolina puts a scare into Alabama. I dont think it will happen as Ala. wins by 24.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 11:43 AM

Already 7-0 UGA & a tip drill pick has them driving again. This may get ugly (hoping for reverse karma, about the only chance I see the Vols having unless UGA's lack of coaching finds a way to keep them in it).

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 11:52 AM

After a FG to make it 10-0, Vols fumble the KOR away & hit Green on a pass inside the 10. Vols couldn't beat a good high school team (which LSU isn't).

edit: Make it 17-0. Everything I expected it to be in terms of score, what's scary is that the things that had me expecting a rout really haven't come into play that much yet.

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 11:56 AM

That catch by AJ Green was ridiculous (the one with the big hit).

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 11:57 AM

That catch by AJ Green was ridiculous (the one with the big hit).

To appear this unprepared as a team is also ridiculous. For as well as Dooley handled the efforts to make a story of his return to Athens, I've got grave questions about whether he handled the preparation of the team equally well.

Bigsmooth

10-09-2010, 12:06 PM

Good lord this Baylor/Ttech game is a track meet. Griffin is fun to watch.

Matthean

10-09-2010, 12:09 PM

OSU up 21-0 on Indiana in the 2nd. Just reinforcing how shaky Michigan is.

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 12:10 PM

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 12:19 PM

Is there anybody (other than Hunter & Reviez) wearing orange who can play this fucking game? Fumbled a damned fair catch punt.
edit: And got a face mask penalty on the same play.

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 12:22 PM

Is there anybody (other than Hunter & Reviez) wearing orange who can play this fucking game? Fumbled a damned fair catch punt.
edit: And got a face mask penalty on the same play.

Don't fret. If there is a team that can blow this, it is this years Bulldawgs.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 12:27 PM

Don't fret. If there is a team that can blow this, it is this years Bulldawgs.

http://media.govolsxtra.com/media/img/photos/2010/10/08/dp10092010-poster_t606.jpg

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 12:27 PM

Don't fret. If there is a team that can blow this, it is this years Bulldawgs.

Never fear, Vols would lose to Clarke Central by 3 TD's

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 12:29 PM

Never fear, Vols would lose to Clarke Central by 3 TD's

So could the Dawgs. I'm told-ly stealing that pic.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 12:30 PM

So could the Dawgs.

Nah. Gladiators would be more like a 10-14 point favorite vs UGA, the home field advantage would be negated after all.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 12:32 PM

Down 24-7, Vols lose 23 yards on their next play as the center snaps the ball while Simms is looking at a receiver. And it was a shitty snap at his knees to boot. This is fucking absurd.

edit: And a late hit on the ensuing punt will give UGA the ball around the 20.

EagleFan

10-09-2010, 01:19 PM

Hoosier daddy?

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 01:20 PM

34-7 UGAg.

Paging Bill Battle. Bill Battle to the white courtesy phone please.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 01:22 PM

Could you tell them to stop scoring? I've got the under 48 and would really appreciate it.

You're fucked.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 01:27 PM

34-14. Sorry HFR.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 01:54 PM

If they stop now it's a push.

Like I said earlier, you're fucked. Now 41-14 with a full quarter to go.

Bray in to replace Simms, so a pick six is definitely not out of the question.

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 02:03 PM

Like I said earlier, you're fucked. Now 41-14 with a full quarter to go.

Bray in to replace Simms, so a pick six is definitely not out of the question.

Bray actually looked pretty good.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 02:06 PM

Bray actually looked pretty good.

Wasn't facing any sort of pressure though. And based on all reports from practice, if he doesn't throw at least one pick six it'll be because you start subbing liberally in the 2ndary.

The only reason he's in at this point is to prevent Simms from getting hurt.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 02:07 PM

Time to hit the 360, my stomach can't take watching GT after enduring the Knox HS Vols.

Big Fo

10-09-2010, 03:14 PM

Great start by South Carolina.

Izulde

10-09-2010, 03:16 PM

Is it basketball season yet?

Easy Mac

10-09-2010, 03:20 PM

Julio jones is the ugliest woman I've ever seen.

JonInMiddleGA

10-09-2010, 03:29 PM

21-3 Poultry? Damn, that's a fast start.

wade moore

10-09-2010, 03:36 PM

I have no idea how that Bama catch wasn't overturned. You could see clearly in the replay that he had removed both hands from the ball, feet left the field, then he clutched it.

terpkristin

10-09-2010, 03:55 PM

bronconick

10-09-2010, 04:06 PM

Bit bummed, I was hoping to watch the Michigan - Michigan St. game. My local ABC channel has the Clemson - N. Carolina game, I figured ESPN would have either other game, but no, it's blacked out... :(

Hmm nevermind, it looks like it's only having issues in HD. Weird.

/tk

I think it's earlier in this thread, but apparently when they do regional coverage and bump one to ESPN, they can only carry enough bandwidth to do the ESPN game in standard def.

MrBug708

10-09-2010, 04:07 PM

UCLA is not good

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 04:28 PM

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 04:33 PM

Alabama back within 21-9 at halftime, and USC starts with bad field position after a muffed kickoff. Bama's kicker (and holder) looks horrible.

Nevermind 21-11 after Stephen Garcia loses his mind. At least try to get outside the pocket and throw it away. Hahahahah.

What does Spurrier do to the mind of a QB? I have seen (mostly since he got to SC) qb's do some of the dumbest things under Spurrier in the last few years. It is like they are so afraid to do something wrong and face him, that they do something worse than wrong.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 04:39 PM

I still can't believe that Garcia play. It makes some sense when there's a loose ball and you kick it out of the end one to prevent the TD, but I've never seen it when the QB regains control and opts to just throw it out of the endzone without even turning or trying to evade tacklers - at that point worst case scenario you get tackled in the end zone for a safety anyways. I legitimately think it's the worst safety I've ever seen - worse than Orlovsky on the Detroit Lions.

ND hits a 50-yd FG to go up 20-3. Yeah, we're not a top 10 team, but there's definite improvement in fundamentals under Kelly and we're basically a borderline top 25 team at this point on both sides of the ball - no more fantastic offense and atrocious defense.

Michigan St's offense finally getting on track and exposing Michigan - 24-10. Denard better have at least 2 long TD's the rest of the way or they're done. MSU's keying on him well (to the tune of 46 yds rushing) and forcing the RB's to beat them.

A&M got a late score to pull within 21-14 of Arkansas at the half.

Oregon up 8-0 early. Broken play on the XP, or are Lane Kiffin and Jim Harbaugh rubbing off on the rest of the PAC-10?

Bama's kicker redeems himself somewhat with a 49-yd FG to bring it to 21-14

bhlloy

10-09-2010, 04:46 PM

Yeah that play by Garcia is one of the worst I've seen on a football field. He easily had time to turn and throw out of bounds, the worst case scenario in that situation (intentional grounding/sack) is much, much better than a safety and IMO he had time to get outside the tackles easily. He looked like he was playing football in the back yard with his buddies, not in the SEC.

Think we might just have seen a new practice scenario that coaches are going to go over all over the country next week?

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 04:46 PM

Denard has thrown two horrible INT's today, but it was coming. He is playing okay but two passes behind open WR's and a missed open WR made us settle for 3. Can't handle giving up 17 points like that.

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 04:52 PM

Gosh, that Lattimore kid is pretty decent.

bronconick

10-09-2010, 04:53 PM

Washington State 14, Oregon 8.

Cougar fans in attendance should probably take snapshots of the scoreboard now.

Edit: 84 yard touchdown pass for Oregon. Hope you were quick.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 04:57 PM

There is a glitch in the Michigan game, UM made a stop.

bhlloy

10-09-2010, 05:00 PM

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 05:04 PM

In the last 3 weeks WSU has had USC tied for a while, was beating UCLA in the third quarter and now looks pretty good against Oregon. They just don't have the quality in depth to pull these games out but I think Paul Wulff is a pretty damn good coach. The problem is they still aren't recruiting at a level anywhere close to the rest of the league but he's got them more competitive than they have been in the last couple years.

...and now 15-14 Oregon. That was nice while it lasted.

Wulff seems like he is a good coach but is in an awful situation. WSU is going to need a coach who has a reputation to come in and recruit talent as well as produce on the field.

I think quite honestly Mike Leach is the best option for that school yet I cannot see it happening.

Atocep

10-09-2010, 05:06 PM

So is hitting a receiver trying to make a catch only a penalty with Big East refs this year or is it getting called everywhere?

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 05:06 PM

Dumbass Carolina celebrates like they have won at the end of the third, then give up a long td on the first play in the fourth. Classic undisciplined Chickens.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 05:15 PM

Kevlin Grady did nothing to help Denard out there but gotta' know your limitations.

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 05:15 PM

OMG. Saban is starting to lose his mind. Fake field-goal after getting the interception and momentum.

bhlloy

10-09-2010, 05:17 PM

oops... horrible series there from Bama. Saban has to take responsibility for a couple of bad play calls.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 05:26 PM

Big Fo

10-09-2010, 05:26 PM

Sick catch by Jeffrey. Gotta get a TD here to go up 14.

edit: TD for Lattimore

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 05:28 PM

That snap you heard may be the back of an elephant breaking.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 05:28 PM

RR punting here is a mockery.

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 05:29 PM

Alshon Jeffrey ain't bad either.

FG clinches it for the Spartans... 34-17 MSU 7+ left.

Oregon now up 22-14.

Arkansas still only up 24-17 on A&M late 3rd. From what little I've paid attention to it on ESPN3 I've liked Jeff Fuller (again).

Mallett is clearly playing with an injury, for those not watching. Running the ball a lot more than normal, and having some success. Mallett is erratic on passes, so I'd almost prefer less passing at this point.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 05:31 PM

This whole game has had some questionable playcalling from Alabama. Only 17 runs so far from the RB's. McElroy has some great looking passing stats but he's been killing them by holding on to the ball too long.

Dammit, now Pitt's back within 23-17 of ND. Huge TD catch by Floyd just negated by a pick call.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 05:34 PM

Mallett is clearly playing with an injury, for those not watching. Running the ball a lot more than normal, and having some success. Mallett is erratic on passes, so I'd almost prefer less passing at this point.Is it the hand thing? I thought I saw him shaking and looking at it there.

Haha, SCar cheerleader with a knee brace. That's hott.

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 05:37 PM

Looks like opposite shoulder, but really affecting his mechanics.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 05:38 PM

Wannstedt wastes a time out by wanting to go for it with 3 minutes to go and all three timeouts remaining from their own 25..........

So after probably listening to his assistants he called a timeout and punted instead. What the hell is he thinking?

M GO BLUE!!!

10-09-2010, 05:39 PM

Nice win, Sparty. I hope the pacemaker guy kept calm...

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 05:39 PM

Well I assume UM loses to Iowa next week, then we have a bye. PSU, Illinois, Purdue and Wisky are still all winnable games at this point in the season. I think 8 wins is still doable but will lead to a David Brandon/RR come to Jesus meeting about the defense.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 05:41 PM

Assuming Oregon wins where will all the first place votes go this week? Who will be the first #1 in the initial BCS Poll?

It will probably be split pretty evenly amongst Oregon and tOSU with Boise snagging a couple (stupid). I think Oregon might get a little bigger push if Stanford can win handily.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 05:42 PM

and then Notre Dame's TE drops a pass what would have been an easy first down and likely end the game.

The following play didn't end well either with an imcomplete pass to make it fourth down. 1:37 and two timeouts remaining for Pitt and nearly 90 yards to go.... GO PITT. Wait, I don't care.. LOL

mauchow

10-09-2010, 05:43 PM

Lathum

10-09-2010, 05:44 PM

Clemsons defense looks gassed.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 05:45 PM

They may also only win one more game.....

Which is incredibly possible. He needs three more or he is for sure gone.

Kodos

10-09-2010, 05:45 PM

Nice to see MSU beat Michigan.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 05:48 PM

Dave Wannstedt is still an idiot. Down 6 points, 3+ to go 4th and 5 from his own 10 he calls a TO... then punts it away. Only way you can call a TO there is if you're acknowledging this drive is the ballgame and you're searching for the perfect play call. Pitt does get the ball back now inside the 10 after ND drops a 1st down. Got to be intentional grounding there - how can the officials missed that? He spiked it in the end zone as he was being sacked. INT next play - doesn't matter. Finally. (EDIT - X that, should be overturned by replay.)

What happens in the polls now? I think Alabama stays ahead of Carolina, in the 8-9 range while SC jumps up to about 12. Auburn's the lowest team you can plausibly jump over Alabama at this point, and maybe Miami can make the jump with a dominant performance tonight - I know LSU, Arizona and Utah are undefeated, but you can't really put any of them ahead of Bama can you? Maybe Arizona if they look good tonight vs. OSUw.

MrBug708

10-09-2010, 05:48 PM

Oregon is down to their second string QB and third string RB

mauchow

10-09-2010, 05:50 PM

Got to be intentional grounding there - how can the officials missed that? He spiked it in the end zone as he was being sacked. INT next play - doesn't matter. Finally. (EDIT - X that, should be overturned by replay.)

I think with the running back right there it was the right call. The football nearly hit the running back in the foot, so they can't really call grounding...

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 05:55 PM

Oregon is down to their second string QB and third string RBDoes it matter at all for them? It will make it harder to cover that 36 point spread though.

ND takes over on downs and wins.

Greg McElroy with another coverage sack - he makes Nighttime Jay Cutler look decisive.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 05:58 PM

I think with the running back right there it was the right call. The football nearly hit the running back in the foot, so they can't really call grounding...Yeah he's a running back, but he wasn't planning to run a route/screen or catch anything. I was flipping between 3 games and it didn't matter in the end anyways. Although out of curiousity, PING Dr. Sak - is there anything in the rulebook about discretion on who is an eligible receiver or does an RB automatically qualify even if he's blocking the whole play?

Mantle2600

10-09-2010, 06:11 PM

Is it the hand thing? I thought I saw him shaking and looking at it there.

Haha, SCar cheerleader with a knee brace. That's hott.

Haha, i saw that too

cmp

10-09-2010, 06:25 PM

Which is incredibly possible. He needs three more or he is for sure gone.

I wouldn't say he is for sure gone without 8 wins. Getting rid of him after this season would be extremely detrimental to the program.

BishopMVP

10-09-2010, 06:28 PM

Texas A&M spikes the ball with 30 seconds left to bring up 4th down (I don't see why teams don't have 1 quick-hit go to play they automatically run instead of spiking, but whatever), then gets a delay of game penalty. I know we're in the age of second guessing, but there are some dumb people coaching and playing QB these days.

Oregon St. up 7-0 early on Arizona in an important under the radar game. Boise and TCU need some Oregon St. wins if they want to play in the title game ahead of a 1-loss SEC or PAC-10 team not named Alabama (that's already a lost cause.) And of course, Arizona is ranked in the top 10, although Utah and their resume of... beating Pitt at home in OT? ... being there as well devalues that statement. (Speaking of Utah, they're also down 7-0 @ Iowa State.)

Schmidty

10-09-2010, 06:35 PM

Finally recovering from my overload of happy-happy joy-joy from the MSU victory over the overhyped Wolvies!!!

Times are changing, "Big" brother!!! :D

M GO BLUE!!!

10-09-2010, 06:48 PM

Finally recovering from my overload of happy-happy joy-joy from the MSU victory over the overhyped Wolvies!!!

Times are changing, "Big" brother!!! :D

Awwww, that's cute! Now imagine I am patting you on the head, tussle your hair & pinching your cheek. Want a lollipop? You deserve it! Good job! :D

Young Drachma

10-09-2010, 07:00 PM

Good to see Alabama lose.

Swaggs

10-09-2010, 07:05 PM

Enjoyed seeing WVU really destroy a team, for the first time in awhile, today. UNLV is one of the worst D1 teams that I have seen in Morgantown in several years, but it is always good when you are supposed to win by a lot and you go out and do it. I think there is a good chance that WVU will drop a game that we shouldn't, but I think we should be heavily favored to win our remaining games (the 7 Big East conference games). The Big East is so bad this year, that it will be interesting to see if an 11-1 or 10-2 WVU will even crack the top 15.

MrBug708

10-09-2010, 07:33 PM

UNLV is not a very good team right now

Easy Mac

10-09-2010, 07:39 PM

Is it the hand thing? I thought I saw him shaking and looking at it there.

Haha, SCar cheerleader with a knee brace. That's hott.

I met that girl this summer. Wife was doing therapy on her. Wife hated her b/c she insisted on rolling up her shirt while doing therapy, even though it was for her knee. And the girl was dumb as a rock.

p.s. Wife said she shouldn't be cheering yet.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-09-2010, 08:09 PM

Your Big-12 bias is amusing, but Nebraska will face no more dangerous passing attack this season than Washington.

Sorry, I had to pick myself up after falling out of my chair on this comment. You'd simply wrong here. OSU and Mizzou both have better passing attacks than Washington.

bronconick

10-09-2010, 08:43 PM

I have no idea why Fisher is calling end arounds on this drive suddenly after being able to move the ball at will the previous drive on Miami. 24-7 'Noles with 1:48 to go in the 2nd now.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-09-2010, 08:55 PM

Man, this Mizzou game is a yawner. I expected more out of Colorado given their performance last week and with Mizzou missing their all conference defensive end. Their offense is TERRIBLE.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 08:59 PM

auburn melting down...

JPhillips

10-09-2010, 09:02 PM

Izulde

10-09-2010, 09:05 PM

mauchow

10-09-2010, 09:09 PM

I'm just glad I won't have to listen to the Michigan love fest anymore. "Denard Robinson this, Denard Robinson that." Ugh, that was getting extremely old these last three weeks. Lose again next week and we won't hear it at all anymore, hopefully

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 09:17 PM

Auburn - Kentucky is pretty fun to watch.

MrBug708

10-09-2010, 09:51 PM

Robert Woods is a beast

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 09:51 PM

Crazy ending to LSU - Florida now.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 09:51 PM

Why is Les Miles' team always a part of these wacky-ass finishes this season?

As for the challenge, that ball is moving directly sideways, wow. Incredibly lucky play.

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 09:53 PM

I thought it was a forward pass at first, but that ball hit exactly parrallel to the kickers foot. I don't think it will be overturned.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 09:54 PM

What does RR need to secure his job for next season?

I'd say 8-4 since it'd mean 4-4 in the Big 10. 7-5 is possible I suppose but if OSU runs us then that may not cut it. cmp posted earlier how getting rid of him would do more harm then good and I agree to an extent. If we go 8-4 he is safe tho I expect Brandon to really put pressure on him to make some staff changes.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 09:57 PM

That MIGHT be a bobble...

LOL

This is insane.

MJ4H

10-09-2010, 09:57 PM

Clean catch imo.

GrantDawg

10-09-2010, 09:59 PM

That MIGHT be a bobble...

LOL

This is insane.

I think they are doing this to make me happy. I love the little looks of hope, then the hang-dog look on Urban's face.

Atocep

10-09-2010, 10:01 PM

Tigercat

10-09-2010, 10:15 PM

Les Miles clearly has stock in companies that supply heart medicine to Louisianians. I'm still too young for this shit.

Lee as a weapon at QB = a legit top 10 team, maybe even a BCS contender, even with our ridiculous coaching.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 10:16 PM

I've seen it stated he'd probably resign from someplace before he let Gibby go. I'm guessing that may be tested after this season?

I think so. Gibby isn't just our Secondary coach, but ST coach as well. We see how that's going.

I think the compromise is our Hybrid LB coach takes over the secondary and Gibby is moved to ST Coach/Recruiting Coordinator.

Greg Robinson's D has been awful but our secondary is young/not so talented but has potential. Our LB's are an abortion though. He might be on the chopping block as well, but I don't know who'd replace him.

If RR steps down over Gibby, it'd be embarrassing but so be it.

Could be interesting if UM needs a coach and so do the Niners. Those are the two teams who Harbaugh allegedly wants to coach if he ever leads Stanford. Is his NFL dream bigger then his school loyalty? That is the question.

Our AD considers him a family member though so we'll see what ends up happening should we cross the bridge.

Noop

10-09-2010, 10:19 PM

No talk of the Miami and Florida State game?

bronconick

10-09-2010, 10:24 PM

No talk of the Miami and Florida State game?

Just my griping about running end arounds on the FG drive.

I did not see this coming, especially since last year Florida State was the game where people somehow got the idea that Jacory Harris could play quarterback.

Noop

10-09-2010, 10:30 PM

I am absolutely shocked that we're winning. I thought we would lose to the tune of 34-14 but I damn happy to be winning though :D

mauchow

10-09-2010, 10:32 PM

stanford about to lose to USC.. woot! all these top 25 teams falling today. badgers jump five of the teams that lost ahead of them and South Carolina jumps them in the the Coach's poll

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 10:33 PM

Watching Stanford from a pure UM fan perspective but even I have reservations about Harbaugh. Still has yet to put a competent D on the field and still needs to win big this year to be the leader in the clubhouse should RR be gone at years end.

Honestly outside of Harbaugh who we would look to. Miles is not an option, that is for sure.

The #1 option (even over Jimmy) ought to be Northwesterns Pat Fitzgerald but he is a NW alumn so I can't see him leaving, especially to stay in the Big Ten.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 10:36 PM

Then USC with a stupid late hit penalty after the whistle was blown. So 15 yards closer to field goal range with a minute to go for Stanford. Lots of exciting games today. I guess it's been worth sitting on my ass ALL day today.

mauchow

10-09-2010, 10:37 PM

What horrible defense by the Trojans. Guess it will only be four teams the Badgers jump. lol

oh and Luck is good.

bronconick

10-09-2010, 10:37 PM

USC's defense is about as awesome as Michigan's. Jesus, Monte.

molson

10-09-2010, 10:38 PM

Syracuse is 4-1 - and I don't care that two of those wins were against 1-AA schools, and the other 2 weren't exactly against 1-A powerhouses. A bowl game seems possible (they probably need to go 3-1 in their stretch against Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers, and UConn) and would be huge for this program.

Swaggs

10-09-2010, 10:40 PM

Seriously. Isn't Monte supposed to be some type of defensive genius?

MrBug708

10-09-2010, 10:43 PM

Seriously. Isn't Monte supposed to be some type of defensive genius?

The previous regime failed to recruit well

(Well that's what some of their fans have told me)

bronconick

10-09-2010, 10:43 PM

Seriously. Isn't Monte supposed to be some type of defensive genius?

Lane's going to have to fire his dad at the end of the season at this rate.

He'll have to call Bobby and Jeff to get advice on how to do it awkwardly.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 10:45 PM

Isn't Coach O in the DC in waiting?

If that is the case, I'd hope Monte coaches forever if I am USC fans.

Swaggs

10-09-2010, 10:47 PM

Rich Rod and Lane Kiffin need to make a challenge trade: Tony Gibson for Monte Kiffen.

Problems solved. Your welcome.

DeToxRox

10-09-2010, 10:48 PM

Rich Rod and Lane Kiffin need to make a challenge trade: Tony Gibson for Monte Kiffen.

Problems solved. Your welcome.

I'd pay the travel costs.

Swaggs

10-09-2010, 10:51 PM

I'd pay the travel costs.

He would fit into a small Fed Ex box.

You would probably have to arrange for him to be able to visit Rich Rod several times a month, as he has never been without him overnight before.

Matthean

10-09-2010, 10:57 PM

I'd say 8-4 since it'd mean 4-4 in the Big 10. 7-5 is possible I suppose but if OSU runs us then that may not cut it. cmp posted earlier how getting rid of him would do more harm then good and I agree to an extent. If we go 8-4 he is safe tho I expect Brandon to really put pressure on him to make some staff changes.

I've thought 7-5 would keep him but going 2-5 from here out might be raising the takes too much. I think 7-5 is actually very possible because I have so little of faith in Michigan at this point and a team like Illinois is frisky enough with the ranked teams added in that they will struggle again this year. I don't see how OSU isn't a 20+ point win.

3 years is too soon, but there just aren't enough signs of hope to really think he's staying around for long. I can understand the lack of talent and the defense not being the primary focus, but the defense is 71st in the country and and that's before today and factoring in them just starting the meat of their schedule. Three years in and it's still that bad?

To reference a quote from last week's thread, RR haters are in full force after a loss like this and looking at the rest of the schedule. Michigan believes to a fault that winning the Big Ten is the holy grail. For Michigan to maybe go 3-6 in conference is just unacceptable. To be in the bottom half consistently is just asking to be fired.

Fun fact, the last coach to finish at Michigan without a conference title was Elton Wieman in 1927-1928. Anybody who finished with 3 years, or more won a conference title.

P.S. With Michigan and 'Bama's losses today I resign from starting the weekly college football thread. :banghead: I expected a MSU win although not that big. 'Bama was just unexpected. A tough game, sure. They just go through these lapses like Utah and they get so down they can't recover. If their head is in the game, nobody can hang with them.

Buccaneer

10-09-2010, 11:32 PM

ISiddiqui

10-09-2010, 11:42 PM

Wow... really happy that Alabama went down today. Thanks to Spurrier and the Cocks, the national championship race has become wide open!

SirFozzie

10-10-2010, 06:08 AM

Rumor has it that Les Miles is going to have exploratory surgery today on his alimentary canal.. apparently he has a lucky horseshoe, a rabbit's foot, and about 75 four-leaf clovers jammed up his ass.

Noop

10-10-2010, 08:25 AM

I think Les Miles is trying to get fired on purpose but some how his team is finding ways to win.

Ksyrup

10-10-2010, 01:52 PM

I am absolutely shocked that we're winning. I thought we would lose to the tune of 34-14 but I damn happy to be winning though :D

I thought we'd win a close one. Absolutely stoked we kicked their ass. I had faith in Jimbo all along and he's definitely not disappointing me. The OU game was strange, but was probably just too much, too soon and they got overwhelmed.

NC State (on a Thursday at NCST - gulp!) is going to be the game of the ACC season for FSU at this point. I freaking hate Thursday games for FSU. Back before we started losing 5-6 games a year, it seemed like half of our losses came on Thursday nights.

RedKingGold

10-10-2010, 02:26 PM

Matthean

10-10-2010, 03:12 PM

2010 NCAA College Football Polls and Rankings for Week 7 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings)

Rankings are up. 'Bama drops to 8th. MSU is 11/13. Michigan is 24th in the USA Today poll, but that should be corrected by next week.

Ksyrup

10-11-2010, 10:50 AM

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/564271/lesmilesgambler_medium.gif

JPhillips

10-11-2010, 10:56 AM

Sparty has an awfully favorable schedule from here on out. If they can get past Iowa, which is a big test, the Big Ten could have two undefeated teams.

JonInMiddleGA

10-11-2010, 11:23 AM

UGA RB Caleb King arrested on a bench warrant after failing to appear (or respond to a mailed inquiry) to deal with a speeding ticket. Local rumor mill seems to be hinting that the real story here could eventually come from why he crossed their radar to be picked up on a bench warrant in the first place.

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/101110/bre_718898263.shtml

Ksyrup

10-11-2010, 11:51 AM

Here's what rivals has:

According to Athens Clarke County Police spokesperson Hilda Sorrow, King's arrest came after his brother Branden, 23, was arrested for driving without a working tag light.

Caleb King was not with his brother, but later came along with teammate Brandon Wood to pick up the car. After police checked their licenses, it was discovered that King did not have a valid license due to the outstanding warrant issued in Walton County on Aug. 9.

RainMaker

10-11-2010, 12:24 PM

I was at the Penn State-Illinois game at Beaver Stadium and PSU looks horrendous. Looked like a return to the Zack Mills dark era where we got under five first downs a game. Worst yet, the defense just got pushed around by Illinois offensive line and running backs.

I'm not sure Penn State will finish bowl eligible this season. Yes, it was that bad.
I'm not sure if it's that Penn State is bad, as it is that the whole Big 10 is bad. I've watched Illinois a lot this year and they are pretty brutal and I was shocked to see them pull out that win.

Ksyrup

10-11-2010, 12:46 PM

Was reading through some game day threads on another board and saw this gem from an LSU fan:

There ain't a team in the country that we can't accidentally beat.

JonInMiddleGA

10-11-2010, 12:59 PM

Here's what rivals has:

FWIW, the rumor mill is insinuating that there's more behind the traffic stops than just a busted tag light; i.e. that one or both of the King's have caught the eye of police for more serious things (and no, I'm not hearing drugs, which is usually what that means)

In a town that's as relatively small as Athens, my experience has been that the wags are right more often than not.

Matthean

10-11-2010, 01:44 PM

Sparty has an awfully favorable schedule from here on out. If they can get past Iowa, which is a big test, the Big Ten could have two undefeated teams.

Yep. Their two big wins would be Wisconsin and Iowa. They would highly likely miss out on the title game unless a decent amount of losses happened. Too bad the Big Ten title game doesn't happen for another year.

I'm damn near praying Iowa beats them though. Michigan/MSU week was bad enough. Not really willing to deal with an undefeated MSU that never faces OSU and the sheer amount of stupidity State fans will spew. I actually had to smack around a MSU fan who asked when the last time Michigan, ND, and FSU won anything because MSU fans are only talking about the now. Of course State fans want to talk about the now. They haven't won a conference title in 20 years. :lol:

Ksyrup

10-11-2010, 01:47 PM

Michigan, ND, and FSU

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.

BishopMVP

10-11-2010, 03:24 PM

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.Other than 1993, each has won one national championship since 1988. Michigan State has one conference championship in that time - a 4 way tie at 6-2 in 1990 - and one 10 win season. No, ND hasn't been FSU over the last 20 years, but I'd say we're still well above MSU (regardless what voters want to give the 1993 championship to FSU despite losing to ND).

(I'm sure some MSU fan will point out their record vs. ND the past decade, but that only proves the point - the highlight of your recent decade has been a 6-4 record vs. us.)

Ksyrup

10-11-2010, 03:30 PM

Passacaglia

10-11-2010, 04:24 PM

Yep. Their two big wins would be Wisconsin and Iowa. They would highly likely miss out on the title game unless a decent amount of losses happened. Too bad the Big Ten title game doesn't happen for another year.

I'm damn near praying Iowa beats them though. Michigan/MSU week was bad enough. Not really willing to deal with an undefeated MSU that never faces OSU and the sheer amount of stupidity State fans will spew. I actually had to smack around a MSU fan who asked when the last time Michigan, ND, and FSU won anything because MSU fans are only talking about the now. Of course State fans want to talk about the now. They haven't won a conference title in 20 years. :lol:

You should move to Chicago like me -- this Saturday walking around I saw tons of Michigan shirts, and just one MSU shirt.

tarcone

10-11-2010, 04:59 PM

Here are some thoughts from the weekend.

Michigan is one good defense recruiting class away from being back in the title hunt. RR was going to recruit his offense.

I really like Steve Spurrier. Good coach. He coaches up QBs.

Nebraska has something in that red shirt freshman. The kid can fly.

Iowa/Michigan State/Ohio St. The new Big10 threesome. Iowa gets both at home. MSU doesnt play OSU. Good for Iowa.

Cant wait for next week.

BishopMVP

10-11-2010, 07:27 PM

Had nothing to do with MSU, more about comparing ND with UM and FSU. At least the latter two have won championships since I graduated from law school (FSU has two since ND won their last one). I was still in high school the last time ND won anything.The original reference was about a Spartan fan asking the last time "ND/Mich/FSU" did anything, but as long as we're going down this road do you really want to bring up 1993? FSU was 12-1, ND was 12-1, ND beat FSU. You can point to the polls all you want, but you know in your heart that's at best a split national title.

I also get that we're not in a conference, but I'd say a BCS bowl is our closest equivalent to a conference championship, and we have 5 of those since 1993 (3 deserved). If a national title is all that matters, only 13 teams have won a share of one since 1992 (16 since ND won in 1988, but I don't really like counting that split Colorado/Georgia Tech one). Either way, despite it being a rather poor 15 year stretch for us, Michigan State (again, the genesis for Matthean's statement) is still nowhere close to our level of success during it.Michigan is one good defense recruiting class away from being back in the title hunt. RR was going to recruit his offense.You could have said that every year he was in West Virginia too. All of our WV posters will say the same thing - he tries every decent player on offense first, then moves them to D when they fail. I also recognize that talent and depth are playing a definite role, but there clearly are also some coaching issues on both defense and special teams - and we've all heard about RichRod's special relationship with his coordinator there.I really like Steve Spurrier. Good coach. He coaches up QBs.Wait, what? I know Garcia ended up with some great numbers, but South Carolina won Saturday (and has been good this season) because of Lattimore, Jeffrey and the defense. Garcia is still a horribly erratic player who was pulled 2 weeks ago by Spurrier, almost pulled again vs. Bama, and will be again soon. (He also made the dumbest play I have ever seen a QB make outside of Waterboy, but clearly there's no way Spurrier could have anticipated anyone would ever do that.)

My one other thought - Steven Ridley will be the next undrafted SEC RB to start in the NFL along the lines of BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Arian Foster. He almost certainly won't crack 4.50 in the 40, but he runs downhill and he does it against tough defenses.

Noop

10-11-2010, 10:14 PM

FSU was 12-1, ND was 12-1, ND beat FSU. You can point to the polls all you want, but you know in your heart that's at best a split national title.

Nope Florida State won that title solo, ND had no business losing to Boston College.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-11-2010, 10:53 PM

Saw that ABC invoked on of their 6 day exceptions for the Mizzou-Oklahoma game. Likely means that if both of those teams win this week, the MU/OU game will be the featured B12 game.

BishopMVP

10-11-2010, 11:45 PM

Saw that ABC invoked on of their 6 day exceptions for the Mizzou-Oklahoma game. Likely means that if both of those teams win this week, the MU/OU game will be the featured B12 game.It's that or Nebraska@Ok State. You assume 1 of the 4 lose this Saturday (where, fwiw, either game would be the national game), but if not Mizzou/Oklahoma probably does have slightly more national appeal.

Ksyrup

10-12-2010, 06:52 AM

Two teams with even records. Team A beat Team B. Team A should be National Champ, not Team B.

Team A's loss occurred later and Team B had the better loss between the two teams.

And anyway - I was just dealing with realities. You can keep talking alternate reality world if you'd like, but dont' expect me to play along with you.

Ksyrup

10-12-2010, 06:57 AM

The original reference was about a Spartan fan asking the last time "ND/Mich/FSU" did anything, but as long as we're going down this road do you really want to bring up 1993? FSU was 12-1, ND was 12-1, ND beat FSU. You can point to the polls all you want, but you know in your heart that's at best a split national title.

I also get that we're not in a conference, but I'd say a BCS bowl is our closest equivalent to a conference championship, and we have 5 of those since 1993 (3 deserved). If a national title is all that matters, only 13 teams have won a share of one since 1992 (16 since ND won in 1988, but I don't really like counting that split Colorado/Georgia Tech one). Either way, despite it being a rather poor 15 year stretch for us, Michigan State (again, the genesis for Matthean's statement) is still nowhere close to our level of success during it.You could have said that every year he was in West Virginia too. All of our WV posters will say the same thing - he tries every decent player on offense first, then moves them to D when they fail. I also recognize that talent and depth are playing a definite role, but there clearly are also some coaching issues on both defense and special teams - and we've all heard about RichRod's special relationship with his coordinator there.Wait, what? I know Garcia ended up with some great numbers, but South Carolina won Saturday (and has been good this season) because of Lattimore, Jeffrey and the defense. Garcia is still a horribly erratic player who was pulled 2 weeks ago by Spurrier, almost pulled again vs. Bama, and will be again soon. (He also made the dumbest play I have ever seen a QB make outside of Waterboy, but clearly there's no way Spurrier could have anticipated anyone would ever do that.)

My only point is that for any kid old enough to be in college, ND has been more of a punch line than a national power for most of their lives. Even when they make BCS bowls, they get humiliated. Even with FSU and UM being down a bit in the past 5-10 years, they are still relevant and have shown flashes of what they used to be.

Hell, FSU has played in 3 BCS championship games since ND won a bowl game that mattered to anyone.

bronconick

10-12-2010, 07:51 AM

Two teams with even records. Team A beat Team B. Team A should be National Champ, not Team B.

Team B's season (12-1)
lost to #2 at #2 on last play
beat #3
beat #5
beat #15
beat #19
beat #23

Team A's season (11-1)
lost to #13 at home on last play
beat #1 at home on last play
beat #9
beat #21

Records....not so even, unless you're going to go and back Boise State/TCU for the BCS game this January.
1993 final AP poll (http://preseason.stassen.com/final-ap-poll/1993.html)

Noop

10-12-2010, 09:37 AM

Looks like Penn State is beginning to suffer the same problems Florida State had with an out of touch head coach.

Ksyrup

10-12-2010, 09:44 AM

JoePa has had far more highs since 2000 than Bowden did, but his lows were lower. FSU just got downright mediocre. A few years I recall PSU being downright bad. But they've been a 9-11 win team for the past 5-6 years, right? Hard to kick him to the curb even if they miss a bowl this year. Bowden was a much steadier, obvious decline.

I. J. Reilly

10-12-2010, 09:47 AM

Well, damn. James Rodgers is officially out for the year after messing up his knee in the Arizona game. Fortunately since he sat out the ASU game and never redshirted he should be granted a medical redshirt and could come back next year if he wants to.

The Beavs have some pretty good players behind him at receiver and in the return game, so we should be okay. But it’s never good when one of your two marquee players goes down.

Hey dawgfan, why don’t you guys sit Locker down this week? You know, just to keep everything even.

Ksyrup

10-12-2010, 10:01 AM

They decided it on the field. Team A beat Team B. I don't like either of them and couldn't care less except for the fact that two teams finished with identical records, one of them beat the other heads up, and the idiocy that is college football "championships" determined the loser of the heads up game to be the winner of the national title. The rest of it should only come into play if they haven't played each other.

If it was the last game of the year, I would agree with you.

It wasn't.

molson

10-12-2010, 10:08 AM

They decided it on the field. Team A beat Team B. I don't like either of them and couldn't care less except for the fact that two teams finished with identical records, one of them beat the other heads up, and the idiocy that is college football "championships" determined the loser of the heads up game to be the winner of the national title. The rest of it should only come into play if they haven't played each other.

How far does that theory go? What if Team B's only loss was to that great Team A, but Team A lost to a 1-AA school?

Noop

10-12-2010, 10:14 AM

Not all records are equal in college football. Team A (9-3) Team B (9-3) looks equal but what if I said Team A lost their last 3 games and Team B has won nine straight.

Florida State won that title get over it.

Ksyrup

10-12-2010, 10:17 AM

Florida State won that title get over it.

Yes we did and yes they should, but I understand the feeling. They are just grasping at the last bit of relevance they had. Just like FSU fans still gripe that we only lost to Tennessee because The Rooster was our QB and not the regular season starter, and that we only lost to OU because Richt was too busy with UGA to properly game plan.

I wish FSU fans had something more recent to bitch about like that. :D

BishopMVP

10-12-2010, 10:20 AM

Team A's loss occurred laterThis pretty much was the reason the pollsters voted the way they did, but I don't see how it's a defendable rationale.Records....not so even, unless you're going to go and back Boise State/TCU for the BCS game this January.
1993 final AP poll (http://preseason.stassen.com/final-ap-poll/1993.html)If you want to bring up Boise State/TCU, 1-loss Florida State was ranked ahead of undefeated Nebraska, Auburn (although Auburn was ineligible for postseason play) and most importantly put into the Coalition title game ahead of undefeated West Virginia that was coming off wins over Miami and BC.My only point is that for any kid old enough to be in college, ND has been more of a punch line than a national power for most of their lives. Even when they make BCS bowls, they get humiliated. Even with FSU and UM being down a bit in the past 5-10 years, they are still relevant and have shown flashes of what they used to be.

Hell, FSU has played in 3 BCS championship games since ND won a bowl game that mattered to anyone.And my point is that compared to MSU we've still been successful. And using 1993 to say that FSU "won a national championship" while ND wasn't relevant is quite the stretch.

Passacaglia

10-12-2010, 10:35 AM

If it was the last game of the year, I would agree with you.

It wasn't.

It'd be nice if there was some kind of system where the 2 highest ranked teams play in the same bowl game on the last day of the season, to end all these controversies.

molson

10-12-2010, 10:37 AM

Who the fuck cares about the rest if they finish with the same record.

Certainly the majority of AP voters that year. And most of the posters here.

Ksyrup

10-12-2010, 11:00 AM

And using 1993 to say that FSU "won a national championship" while ND wasn't relevant is quite the stretch.

I didn't say that. In talking about ND's relevancy, I was referring to FSU playing in 3 BCS Bowl games (97,99, 00). I didn't count FSU's 1993 championship, but yeah, they've won 2 NCs since ND won one. But you can just use 1999 as the championship they won, and also include the 2 other BCS championship games they've played in within the last 13 years or so. What has ND done in the past 15 years? Gotten blown out in any bowl game that matters.

Frankly, I find it to be more of stretch that in comparing ND and FSU, you would say that "they have both won one national championship since 1988." That's like the trick my former law partner would use in dressing up his 11 years as a lawyer by claiming to have "decades of experience" on his bio page.

BishopMVP

10-12-2010, 11:24 AM

I didn't say that. In talking about ND's relevancy, I was referring to FSU playing in 3 BCS Bowl games (97,99, 00). I didn't count FSU's 1993 championship, but yeah, they've won 2 NCs since ND won one. But you can just use 1999 as the championship they won, and also include the 2 other BCS championship games they've played in within the last 13 years or so. What has ND done in the past 15 years? Gotten blown out in any bowl game that matters.Again, ND hasn't been FSU, but getting blown out in any bowl game that matters is still more than Michigan State and their highlight of a Citrus Bowl has accomplished.Frankly, I find it to be more of stretch that in comparing ND and FSU, you would say that "they have both won one national championship since 1988." That's like the trick my former law partner would use in dressing up his 11 years as a lawyer by claiming to have "decades of experience" on his bio page.Using 1988 as a baseline is certainly not arbitrary on my part, but I did say excluding 1993 - imo both ND and FSU have won 1.5/2 national championships since 1988. (For the record, I also count 1994 Penn State and 2004 Auburn as (co-)national champions despite not being ranked #1 in either major poll - 1996 Florida State also has a case.) Using only National Championships can also be misleading, but I'm not sure what else Notre Dame can point to as winning - we don't play in a conference. I did use BCS appearances as an equivalent to winning a conference (and even pointed out that we didn't deserve 2 of them.) Getting blown out in the bowl game isn't good, but we don't discount any teams conference championship because they got blown out in the bowl game.

Noop

10-12-2010, 11:38 AM

Team A beat Team B. Who the fuck cares about the rest if they finish with the same record.

The people who decide championships in 1993.

dawgfan

10-12-2010, 02:49 PM

Hey dawgfan, why don’t you guys sit Locker down this week? You know, just to keep everything even.
Much as it pains me to say it, if we want to keep things even in this game Oregon State is going to need to sit a few more players out...

...goddamn I hate how far the Husky program has fallen.

MizzouRah

10-14-2010, 03:58 PM

UMGoVideo.COM : Parachuting Into Michigan Stadium (http://umgovideo.com/avc-view.aspx?v=605)

101st airborne delivering the game ball

sterlingice

10-14-2010, 07:46 PM

Welp, we're getting beaten senseless again :(

SI

sterlingice

10-14-2010, 08:07 PM

So, losing 85-7 over the past 6 quarters. Looks like MBBF's talk of "the laughing stock of the Big XII" might be right this year...

SI

the_meanstrosity

10-14-2010, 09:51 PM

So, losing 85-7 over the past 6 quarters. Looks like MBBF's talk of "the laughing stock of the Big XII" might be right this year...

SI

The Turner Gill experiment is not faring so well at Kansas. I'll be the first to say that Kansas football has struggled in the talent department with so many talented players graduating last season, but there's also a lack of effort and that is on the staff. KSU was the last winnable game on the schedule for Kansas so I have no idea what Turner Gill is going to do to find any kind of leverage after this season.

sterlingice

10-14-2010, 10:08 PM

the_meanstrosity

10-14-2010, 10:17 PM

I was going to say "well, Colorado kindof sucks, too, and we have them at home" but they're not really bad- they've had a pretty tough schedule. Iowa State's pretty bad but we have them in Ames. And Texas A&M really isn't that good, but they're still better than us, I suspect.

I remember 2-10 seasons *sigh*

SI

I may be wrong on this, but I believe Iowa State and Colorado are both better than Kansas at this point. Texas A&M is most definitely better. I never thought Gill would struggle like this. I knew there would be growing pains with this squad, but this is worse than that.

dawgfan

10-14-2010, 10:23 PM

Suicane75

10-15-2010, 12:50 AM

So the USC AD pretty much let it out of the bag that 2 divisions in the Pac-10 will end up being, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, UCLA, USC and Utah in one division and Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington and Washington State in the other.

Am I nuts or would it not make a heck of a lot of sense to swap Cal & Stanford for Colorado and Utah?

MrBug708

10-15-2010, 01:05 AM

Washington wanted a trip to Cali every year, even if it was NorCal. It's kinda funny to see the Arizona fans telling them to suck it up when they were crying about to be shipped out to the East with all of the Big-12 teams had that scenario come to fruition.

Suicane75

10-15-2010, 01:20 AM

I guess that makes sense.

sterlingice

10-15-2010, 06:27 AM

I may be wrong on this, but I believe Iowa State and Colorado are both better than Kansas at this point. Texas A&M is most definitely better. I never thought Gill would struggle like this. I knew there would be growing pains with this squad, but this is worse than that.

I'm pretty sure they are all better than us. I was just looking across the schedule to see if there was anyone we could kindof circle on the schedule as having a chance against.

SI

sterlingice

10-15-2010, 06:29 AM

panerd

10-15-2010, 07:53 AM

I'm pretty sure they are all better than us. I was just looking across the schedule to see if there was anyone we could kindof circle on the schedule as having a chance against.

SI

What about Missouri? (Not a joke) It seems like in the past (in both football and basketball) we seem to give each other a game when one of us really sucks. I could see Mizzou coming into the game at like 9-2 or 8-3 and being knocked out of a good bowl by a loss to you guys. The chances of it happening are probably not super great but I would give you guys more of a chance than ISU or K-State (in Columbia) at this point.

the_meanstrosity

10-15-2010, 12:39 PM

Given what Gill did at Buffalo, I'd be inclined (if I were a Kansas fan) to give him 2-3 seasons before reaching any sweeping conclusions. Now granted, I don't really follow Jayhawk football other than glancing at box scores, but it can be difficult for new coaches to win over existing players right away, especially if there are significant changes in philosophy between the new and old staffs. At a quick glance, it looks like recruiting is going OK for him so far this year...

As Kansas fans, we really don't have any other option. Gill is on a five year deal worth $2 million per so he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

My main concern is that Gill's players seem to be out of shape and unfocused. There have been reports that players are laughing and waving to family members on the sidelines in the middle of these last two games. It's eerily reminding me of the coaching staff prior to Mangino where Kansas had players taking naps on the sidelines. Turner Gill needs to show some discipline. He doesn't have to be a taskmaster, but you also can't expect to run a successful program with no discipline. I'm honestly shocked that discipline has been an issue since Gill did coach under Tom Osborne.

the_meanstrosity

10-15-2010, 12:41 PM

What about Missouri? (Not a joke) It seems like in the past (in both football and basketball) we seem to give each other a game when one of us really sucks. I could see Mizzou coming into the game at like 9-2 or 8-3 and being knocked out of a good bowl by a loss to you guys. The chances of it happening are probably not super great but I would give you guys more of a chance than ISU or K-State (in Columbia) at this point.

I honestly think Missouri rolls Kansas worse than this KSU game. Kansas' defense can't stop the pass and Missouri loves to throw the ball. It is not a good match-up for Kansas.

TroyF

10-28-2010, 02:19 PM

Kordell Stewart. Michael Westbrook. Bill McCartney.

I thought I'd bump a week 6 thread with this in it for one reason:

The last name on the list? The huge rumor mill in Boulder is saying that McCartney will be the next head football coach at CU. Hawkins may get fired as early as after the Oklahoma game Saturday night. Bill wouldn't take over until the off season. Rumored assistants already include Hagan and Beinemy.

I don't know if it will be good, bad or irrelevant for the state of the program. . . but it'll at least make watching CU tolerable for the next few years.

Matthean

10-28-2010, 03:21 PM

I thought I'd bump a week 6 thread with this in it for one reason:

The last name on the list? The huge rumor mill in Boulder is saying that McCartney will be the next head football coach at CU. Hawkins may get fired as early as after the Oklahoma game Saturday night. Bill wouldn't take over until the off season. Rumored assistants already include Hagan and Beinemy.

I don't know if it will be good, bad or irrelevant for the state of the program. . . but it'll at least make watching CU tolerable for the next few years.

I can't imagine how it would work out. He hasn't coached in 16 years and is 70.

TroyF

10-28-2010, 03:36 PM

I can't imagine how it would work out. He hasn't coached in 16 years and is 70.

No question.

But I know the rumor isn't a normal run of the mill rumor. This isn't a done deal, but it's damned close.

Obviously the assistant coaches are going to be huge. They will have to do a vast majority of the traveling for recruiting. McCartney will have to delegate more than he did the first go around.

Here is what I do know: He'll increase the funding for CU football by about 300x before he even sets foot back on the campus. He'll give a boost to the large alumni base in CA in CU's first year in the PAC10. He'll generate buzz for a program that has essentially had none in 5 years.

Those things are automatic. I have the same reservations about the W's and L's that you do. (how could any sane person think otherwise?)

But again, I know this is more than rumor mill stuff. I'd put the chances of it at about 80% or higher.