Rally to Restore Sanity

[lordscarlet]

http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/

Is anyone going?

[digamma]

Did you mean to post this to the Underground DC message board?

[lordscarlet]

There are probably at least 8-10 FOFCers within 60 miles of DC.

[Drake]

I hadn't even heard of this.

As Daily Show gags go, it's a pretty good one.

Is it still a gag if they actually get people come to the rally and, you know, rally? Yeah, just funnier.

[molson]

I think "March to Keep Fear Alive" is the superior title.

I hope they don't back down too much to what I think are pretty honorable points this thing appears to be making, and we don't get the, "hey, we're telling jokes, so this isn't serious and this isn't political" angle we get from the Daily Show. I think though, they'll try to do the latter even though the Huffington Post is heavily involved and Obama has even talked about it.

I do appreciate their mottos, "Take it down a notch for America" and "I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler."

[digamma]

There are probably at least 8-10 FOFCers within 60 miles of DC.

I realize that, but I think my comment was still valid. And funny.

[lighthousekeeper]

I hadn't even heard of this.

yes you have

[Chief Rum]

http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/

Is anyone going?

Wouldn't we be crazy not to?

[terpkristin]

I'll be going to the Rally to Keep Fear Alive. ;)

Yeah, I'll be there. :)

/tk

[lordscarlet]

I think "March to Keep Fear Alive" is the superior title.

I hope they don't back down too much to what I think are pretty honorable points this thing appears to be making, and we don't get the, "hey, we're telling jokes, so this isn't serious and this isn't political" angle we get from the Daily Show. I think though, they'll try to do the latter even though the Huffington Post is heavily involved and Obama has even talked about it.

I do appreciate their mottos, "Take it down a notch for America" and "I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler."

Unfortunately Colbert "did not get a permit" so they combined them and I think the "March to Keep Fear Alive" is dead, absorbed by the Rally to Restore Sanity.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think my buddy is going. He invited me but I didn't want to.

[Subby]

Rallies are queer.

[claphamsa]

im going to cleveland :( boo!

[lordscarlet]

im going to cleveland :( boo!

I have a friend with the exact same problem. :)

[Drake]

yes you have

Well, I have *now*.

[cuervo72]

yes you have

Don't underestimate the depths of Drake's cultural ignorance. He lives in Indiana, you know.

[cuervo72]

Rallies are queer.

I think the Cannonball could be considered a road rally. I KNOW you're not calling out the Cannonball.

[claphamsa]

they are REALLY setting up the mall... i wonder if there is anything else going on?

[Drake]

Don't underestimate the depths of Drake's cultural ignorance. He lives in Indiana, you know.

And he doesn't really watch television. I don't think I've actually seen an episode of the Daily Show in a year and a half.

[lordscarlet]

they are REALLY setting up the mall... i wonder if there is anything else going on?

Is this a joke? :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Unfortunately Colbert "did not get a permit" so they combined them and I think the "March to Keep Fear Alive" is dead, absorbed by the Rally to Restore Sanity.

Renamed to "Rally To Restore Sanity and/or Fear".

[Neon_Chaos]

Should be interesting to see what kind of numbers Stewart and Colbert are able to get to attend the rally.

[Ajaxab]

Should be interesting to see what kind of numbers Stewart and Colbert are able to get to attend the rally.

I think it should be interesting as well, but I'm not sure what the numbers would ultimately tell us. Would it say that people are buying into the cynicism about media and politics that these two are selling? Would it say that they're turning out as fans just cause they want to be entertained? Would it say they are serious about ending insanity and the perpetuation of fear? Maybe it's a combination of all three, but I wonder if this combination really accomplishes what seems to be the intention of the rally.

It seems this is where political infotainment hits a snag, when it appears to be wanting to be taken seriously.

[lighthousekeeper]

I wonder if this combination really accomplishes what seems to be the intention of the rally.

What do think is the intention of the rally?

[molson]

I think it should be interesting as well, but I'm not sure what the numbers would ultimately tell us. Would it say that people are buying into the cynicism about media and politics that these two are selling? Would it say that they're turning out as fans just cause they want to be entertained? Would it say they are serious about ending insanity and the perpetuation of fear? Maybe it's a combination of all three, but I wonder if this combination really accomplishes what seems to be the intention of the rally.

It seems this is where political infotainment hits a snag, when it appears to be wanting to be taken seriously.

I think it will just be like any other leftish political rally (except with more comedy.) It will draw young liberals who care passionately about politics (and who aren't known for taking anything down a notch).

The alleged "target audience" of this rally doesn't go to rallies.

As for purpose - it's Daily Show/Jon Stewart branding. Aren't they actually accepting political donations too? Similar to any Glenn Beck rally.

[Passacaglia]

I think it will just be like any other leftish political rally (except with more comedy.) It will draw young liberals who care passionately about politics (and who aren't known for taking anything down a notch).

The alleged "target audience" of this rally doesn't go to rallies.

As for purpose - it's Daily Show/Jon Stewart branding. Aren't they actually accepting political donations too? Similar to any Glenn Beck rally.

The only donation info I've seen has been for the Trust for the National Mall.

[lordscarlet]

I think it should be interesting as well, but I'm not sure what the numbers would ultimately tell us. Would it say that people are buying into the cynicism about media and politics that these two are selling? Would it say that they're turning out as fans just cause they want to be entertained? Would it say they are serious about ending insanity and the perpetuation of fear? Maybe it's a combination of all three, but I wonder if this combination really accomplishes what seems to be the intention of the rally.

It seems this is where political infotainment hits a snag, when it appears to be wanting to be taken seriously.

First, I don't think they're trying to be taken seriously. I mean, they have a comedian warming the crowd up -- I think it's the same as the show. Second, I think people will mostly come out as fans. The fact that I don't think it is serious is the only reason I plan on going -- I'm not one to go to a rally, but this is just Stewart and Colbert, not a regular political rally. Third, you'll never know how many people showed up. There are always disputes. Glenn Beck laughingly claimed that 500,000 people showed up for his rally. The Million Man March claimed around a million but the park service said only about half a million.

[lordscarlet]

The only donation info I've seen has been for the Trust for the National Mall.

This.

From the website above:

The National Mall has been home to countless history-making rallies, marches and pick-up kickball games. Help preserve it by donating to the Trust for the National Mall — because, let’s face it, you guys are probably going to mess it up a lot this weekend.

[molson]

First, I don't think they're trying to be taken seriously.

That's my point, that's what they're clearly selling on the surface, and it's a cool thing to sell, I just think you'll run into a lot of the "Bush is Hitler" college/far left crowd (who are also Daily Show fans, though certainly don't make up their entire audience by any means.) Comedy doesn't make politics less political, it just makes politics more funny.

I hope I'm wrong and it's just filled with people who, for example, have never participated in a internet message board political discussion, or at least have never gotten fired up in an internet message board political discussion (I certainly would not qualify.) They're selling a product that would correctly MOCK those people who get all fired up about this nonsense (but instead, I think people will just be mocking political viewpoints they don't like - like the tea party stuff, just like any regular rally.)

Unless there's a rumor that you can get some good weed at this thing and the cops will look the other way. Then maybe they'll draw some normals.

[lordscarlet]

That's my point, that's what they're clearly selling on the surface, and it's a cool thing to sell, I just think you'll run into a lot of the "Bush is Hitler" college/far left crowd (who are also Daily Show fans, though certainly don't make up their entire audience by any means.) Comedy doesn't make politics less political, it just makes politics more funny.

I hope I'm wrong and it's just filled with people who, for example, have never participated in a internet message board political discussion, or at least have never gotten fired up in an internet message board political discussion (I certainly would not qualify.) They're selling a product that would correctly MOCK those people who get all fired up about this nonsense (but instead, I think people will just be mocking political viewpoints they don't like - like the tea party stuff, just like any regular rally.)

I'll report back with my experience. :) With a fairly large degree of certainty I would say my friends and I are in that group. I have certainly never been to a rally before, and my political message board discussion is limited to here and I believe (outside of DC voting rights) I don't generally indulge in the political threads. So I may have a skewed view of the participants -- I have a lot of friends going and if I hang out with them the whole time, I think they are of the "target" audience.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I've gotta agree with molson. I imagine that the intention was for "restoring sanity" but my guess is most attendees will see it as their Glenn Beck-type rally. My guess is they're hoping for non-partisanship but they won't be getting it.

[lordscarlet]

There was a "lefty" rally about a month ago. It was overshadowed by this one, but that was the "official" response to the Glenn Beck rally, I believe.

We have lefties protesting shit all the time in DC -- that's not anything special anymore. I am hoping this is different -- the hippies have their World Bank protests and what not to care about. :)

[molson]

There was a "lefty" rally about a month ago. It was overshadowed by this one, but that was the "official" response to the Glenn Beck rally, I believe.

We have lefties protesting shit all the time in DC -- that's not anything special anymore. I am hoping this is different -- the hippies have their World Bank protests and what not to care about. :)

For the D.C. crowd, I can see this as like a night out at a comedy club or something.

But don't forget - the Huffington Post has promised "as many buses as it takes" to get people from Manhattan to D.C. for this. Imagine the political demographics and political activity level of the occupants of that convoy.

[lordscarlet]

For the D.C. crowd, I can see this as like a night out at a comedy club or something.

But don't forget - the Huffington Post has promised "as many buses as it takes" to get people from Manhattan to D.C. for this. Imagine the political demographics and political activity level of the occupants of that convoy.

Definitely agreed on the first part. It's like a music festival or other event coming to town. Most people I know that live in and around DC are coming.

I think your assessment through the whole thread has been dead on. Hopefully if those type do show up, I won't be standing near them. :)

If I am motivated enough (unlikely) I will make a sign.. My plan is for it to say, "You make a reasoned argument, please tell me more".

[Logan]

Wouldn't we be crazy not to?

This was an unappreciated post.

[Ajaxab]

I don't think this will be a tremendously left leaning crowd. I'm betting this will be the most diverse crowd to rally on the mall in recent memory and I think that's a big part of the point.

I think this gets to lighthousekeeper's question of what the intention of this rally really is. I honestly don't know. But I'm not really sure why they are bothering to have the rally. If sanity is indeed restored, it seems there isn't a place for Stewart and Colbert. Their entire programs are built on and around the insanity. Do they really and truly want to restore the sanity? I would suspect they want to grow the brand with this rally, but the message of the rally contradicts their brand.

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the contradiction. Contradiction is at the heart of the infotainment genre. It is both serious and not serious simultaneously. Critiquing it from either angle immediately causes a retreat to the opposite pole.

[JPhillips]

I support rallies with the Roots.

[Flasch186]

The Concert to Restore Sanity

[sterlingice]

Don't underestimate the depths of Drake's cultural ignorance. He lives in Indiana, you know.

I think I should be offended as I'm in Indy and watching it right now... ;)

SI

[JPhillips]

Colbert needs a rally to restore his dance belt.

[sterlingice]

Ok, I called that one when they started talking train metaphors

And while the acoustics are awful for Ozzy there, he does have a sousaphone playing in the background :D

SI

[Karlifornia]

I realize that, but I think my comment was still valid. And funny.

No. It wasn't funny.

Speaking of not funny, I'm going to do some stand-up in about an hour at San Jose's "Rally To Restore Sanity"

[Karlifornia]

I think it will just be like any other leftish political rally (except with more comedy.) It will draw young liberals who care passionately about politics (and who aren't known for taking anything down a notch).

The alleged "target audience" of this rally doesn't go to rallies.

As for purpose - it's Daily Show/Jon Stewart branding. Aren't they actually accepting political donations too? Similar to any Glenn Beck rally.

Yes, yes...similar to any Glenn Beck rally. I'm sure it will be full of idiots who were brainwashed by their parents into denying people basic civil rights.

[EagleFan]

Wow, this is kind of lame...

Thought there would be something that resembled humor but nothing close yet.

[molson]

Yes, yes...similar to any Glenn Beck rally. I'm sure it will be full of idiots who were brainwashed by their parents into denying people basic civil rights.

Cute that you didn't understand my point but did have a pre-programmed response ready to go if someone said "Glenn Beck".

[EagleFan]

I think we need a Rally to Restore Comedy.

[jeff061]

No difference between this and the Glen Beck rally. All about the money. They just pander to different demographics.

[molson]

No difference between this and the Glen Beck rally. All about the money. They just pander to different demographics.

Exactly. They're both phenomenal branders. (And there's nothing wrong with that.)

I think the branding insanity will have to continue until at least another rally.

[EagleFan]

Exactly. They're both phenomenal branders. (And there's nothing wrong with that.)

This one is under the guise of humor but that failed beyond belief.

[sterlingice]

Bad move to use a traffic analogy with polite drivers in DC ;)

SI

[Jughead Spock]

No difference between this and the Glen Beck rally. All about the money. They just pander to different demographics.


True. There is a difference, though, in that Colbert fans realize he's putting on an act. Not all Beck followers do.

[jeff061]

Well I wasn't judging the fans. Clearly the primary thing they have in common is they have money to spend. If they didn't there wouldn't be a rally for either of them.

[terpkristin]

I went and had a good time. Though I managed to miss the 2nd entrance to the L'Enfant Plaza metro and walked all the way down to Waterfront. Funnily enough, though, I managed to make good time home, beat the people I went with.

/tk

[JonInMiddleGA]

Colbert fans realize he's putting on an act.

Clueless gits know their own.

[SirFozzie]

Clueless gits know their own.

Q.E.D.

[jeff061]

One side are a bunch of clueless yahoo rednecks who shouldn't be responsible for anything that affects mankind.

The other are a bunch of narcissistic punks that are more interested in the illusion of moral superiority than actually making changes that net a positive outcome.

There, we done?

[JPhillips]

Good thing sensible moderates aren't arrogant know-it-alls.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Good thing sensible moderates aren't arrogant know-it-alls.

No such thing as a sensible moderate when the stakes are so high, so of course there aren't any.

[SirFozzie]

More like "If you're not with us, you're against us".. And let's be brutally honest, the reason why the stakes are supposedly so high, to use a poker term, is both sides think they're holding aces (How things SHOULD be) and that the other side is holding 72 offsuit (RUIN AMERICA FOREVER!!!1!!!111ONE!!).

Turns out they both have 7-2offsuit, the the dealer (the people in the middle) is looking at both fringes and saying "Goddamn, I don't want either of these idiots to win)

[JonInMiddleGA]

More like "If you're not with us, you're against us".


I have no problem with that statement at all, it's ultimately as true today as it was when we heard it before.

[sterlingice]

More like "If you're not with us, you're against us".. And let's be brutally honest, the reason why the stakes are supposedly so high, to use a poker term, is both sides think they're holding aces (How things SHOULD be) and that the other side is holding 72 offsuit (RUIN AMERICA FOREVER!!!1!!!111ONE!!).

Turns out they both have 7-2offsuit, the the dealer (the people in the middle) is looking at both fringes and saying "Goddamn, I don't want either of these idiots to win)

I think both have a lot of good cards in their deck. Unfortunately, the ones playing for everyone is that 7-2 offsuit.

SI

[Greyroofoo]

Really?

Do you fuck your goats before you sacrifice them?

I fuck them after they're sacraficed

[molson]

I fuck them after they're sacraficed

Gross.

But it definitely make sense. Less kicking and everything.

[Autumn]

More like "If you're not with us, you're against us".. And let's be brutally honest, the reason why the stakes are supposedly so high, to use a poker term, is both sides think they're holding aces (How things SHOULD be) and that the other side is holding 72 offsuit (RUIN AMERICA FOREVER!!!1!!!111ONE!!).

Turns out they both have 7-2offsuit, the the dealer (the people in the middle) is looking at both fringes and saying "Goddamn, I don't want either of these idiots to win)

This is great.

[BigPapi]

True. There is a difference, though, in that Colbert fans realize he's putting on an act. Not all Beck followers do.

If you think Beck is "putting on an act"- than you haven't been paying attention. You might think he's nuts, but it's not a schtick...

[RainMaker]

If you think Beck is "putting on an act"- than you haven't been paying attention. You might think he's nuts, but it's not a schtick...
I don't know. He changes his views all the time. I think all these political commentators are putting on an act of sorts.

[Crapshoot]

Beck's audience is dumb enough to believe him - Colbert's isn't. That's a major part of the difference.

[jeff061]

What does it matter.

[EagleFan]

Beck's audience is dumb enough to believe him - Colbert's isn't. That's a major part of the difference.

That's the close minded, judgemental idiotic statements that we expect from you...

Way to stay in form...

:rolleyes:

[sterlingice]

I prefer some of the signs that were less partisan :)

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SI

[molson]

Beck's audience is dumb enough to believe him - Colbert's isn't. That's a major part of the difference.

Colbert's audience does (apparently) think they're fucking geniuses. That's kind of the drug that those kinds of products sell. ("hey, there's a joke going on and YOU'RE in on it, but the dumb people we're laughing at aren't. HOORAY!")

[Flasch186]

well he was invited to emcee something for Bush that they obviously didnt know about and then to call him up to speak to Congress...

just sayin'

[terpkristin]

I saw the third amendment guy there. I haven't taken the pictures off the phone yet, but I saw one that said "Masturbation causes Hysteria" which made me chuckle. Yeah it's probably a poke a bit in the Christine O'Donnell direction, but I think it was just to make people laugh at seeing "masturbation" written out.

I also liked seeing people dressed up fairly randomly. I saw a penguin, a Santa Claus, and a banana.

/tk

[sterlingice]

Having it a day before Halloween probably helped get some really odd costumes out there.

SI

[Crapshoot]

That's the close minded, judgemental idiotic statements that we expect from you...

Way to stay in form...

:rolleyes:

I'm shocked, shocked to find out you're a Glenn Beck supporter. Listening to that loon (and he is a fucking loon) for comedy is fine - pretending he has anything serious to say is worrysome. Spare me the close-minded crap - suffice to say that I don't draw some sort of bullshit moral equivalency anytime two opposite viewpoints exist.

[JonInMiddleGA]

and genuinely work towards something better.


A process that takes a step forward on Tuesday when we rid D.C. of a portion of its libs.

[Recoil]

I'd like Beck to get back on the sauce. I'd also like Stewart and Colbert to stick to what they're good at. A complete bunch of tools at both the "rallies."

[Recoil]

You do realize it's cocksucking, bigot morons like you that are the reason why reasonable people are jumping off the neocon ship don't you?

The K street elephants are just as big of piles of shit as any corollary on the left. The world will be vastly improved when Fox News and MSNBC close up shop due to lack of interest in their mindless pandering.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

You do realize it's cocksucking, bigot morons like you that are the reason why reasonable people are jumping off the neocon ship don't you?

If you don't like the way the wind is blowing that's your problem. But denial isn't going to change anything ... and I do so revel in your misery.

Am I expecting to reverse the disasters of the past few years on Tuesday? Nope. Took a long time to get in this mess, going to take a while to remove enough of the vermin to even make significant improvements. But at least for a while there's a faint glimmer of hope that the country isn't going to take the final swirl down the drain just quite yet, in spite of the best efforts of the enemies within.

[Marc Vaughan]

I think this gets to lighthousekeeper's question of what the intention of this rally really is. I honestly don't know. But I'm not really sure why they are bothering to have the rally. If sanity is indeed restored, it seems there isn't a place for Stewart and Colbert. Their entire programs are built on and around the insanity. Do they really and truly want to restore the sanity? I would suspect they want to grow the brand with this rally, but the message of the rally contradicts their brand.

I personally think the 'message' from the rally as I took it was a very good one - basically asking the media to try and act rationally rather than sensationalising everything (that goes to both left/right spectrums of the media and also political adverts on TV imho). As such I didn't really think it was a political message in itself.

Their shows are about poking fun at politicians and the media and yes they're comedians ... but I've found in the past that sometimes strangely comedians actually work well in getting a message across that other shows/people shy away from.

[Greyroofoo]

If the news media didn't try to spice up the news nobody would watch.

[JPhillips]

this was a truly fun day filled with extremely divergent people acknowledging the need to turn down the screaming and genuinely work towards something better.

Of all people.

[lordscarlet]

Loving the estimates of 215-250k (not including the massive side street overflow)

And that was MASSIVE. Whoever decided that there were going to be 30,000 people and they only needed two TV screens needs to re-evaluate what they're doing. I got to the mall, couldn't get on, looped around to the back, and was able to push as far as 9th street. Most of the mall was fenced off and you couldn't see or hear anything. It was fun to go down there, but I left and went to a bar to watch on tv. All of those (in Chinatown at least, the closest area) were too full. We eventually kept walking and found a place that was too full inside, but had enough seating outside (without tvs) for us to relax.

[EagleFan]

I'm shocked, shocked to find out you're a Glenn Beck supporter. Listening to that loon (and he is a fucking loon) for comedy is fine - pretending he has anything serious to say is worrysome. Spare me the close-minded crap - suffice to say that I don't draw some sort of bullshit moral equivalency anytime two opposite viewpoints exist.

Never said I was a supporter (and since I couldn't tell you one thing about him I can pretty much say that I would not be considered a supporter by any means), just calling out your ignorant and arrogant post.

[AENeuman]

Unlike the bullshit masturbation fest hijacking of the Tea Party by Beck/Palin this was a truly fun day filled with extremely divergent people acknowledging the need to turn down the screaming and genuinely work towards something better.

You have something in common with Beck/Palin, about 90% of what you spew is b.s., the other 10% is mildly entertaining.

[Ben E Lou]

You do realize it's cocksucking, bigot morons like you that are the reason why reasonable people are jumping off the neocon ship don't you?3 days.

[Ben E Lou]

Really?

Do you fuck your goats before you sacrifice them?OK. I missed this little gem. Upping the suspension.

[molson]

HiFiRevival needed to take it down a notch for America.

[Marc Vaughan]

If the news media didn't try to spice up the news nobody would watch.

That is of course largely the case - unfortunately it means our news is well no longer news, but instead 'interpretted drama' .... in the same way that reality TV shows aren't really 'reality' ...

[Marc Vaughan]

You do realize it's cocksucking, bigot morons like you that are the reason why reasonable people are jumping off the neocon ship don't you?

The K street elephants are just as big of piles of shit as any corollary on the left. The world will be vastly improved when Fox News and MSNBC close up shop due to lack of interest in their mindless pandering.

While your actions are reprehensible and your tone unabashedly offensive .... I have to say you have an interesting turn of phrase and in another era you'd have made a jolly good pirate I expect.

[Saul Goode]

Yea political bashing from both sides!1!11 I'll join in, Glenn Beck is a douchebag! When did Sarah Palin become the leader of the anti-government party? She is the tool of corporate oppression!

[Ajaxab]

HiFiRevival needed to take it down a notch for America.

Yup, a boxing to restore HiFi's sanity indeed.

[Drake]

While your actions are reprehensible and your tone unabashedly offensive .... I have to say you have an interesting turn of phrase and in another era you'd have made a jolly good pirate I expect.

:lol:

I've never heard anyone so roundly and thoroughly put down by being compared to a pirate.

[Subby]

I like when people are called both a cocksucker AND a bigot.

[Ben E Lou]

I like when people are called both a cocksucker AND a bigot.

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[Lathum]

We need a political threads sub forum...

[Jughead Spock]

And whomever posts in it gets post-restricted to only that forum from then on.

[RainMaker]

If you don't like the way the wind is blowing that's your problem. But denial isn't going to change anything ... and I do so revel in your misery.

Am I expecting to reverse the disasters of the past few years on Tuesday? Nope. Took a long time to get in this mess, going to take a while to remove enough of the vermin to even make significant improvements. But at least for a while there's a faint glimmer of hope that the country isn't going to take the final swirl down the drain just quite yet, in spite of the best efforts of the enemies within.
The "mess" has been going on for decades and involved both parties. They're pretty similar when it comes to most issues. They throw out a few wedge issues that the sheep eat up, but really don't matter.

This isn't a pro-Republican election, just like 2006 wasn't a pro-Democrat election. It's a "fuck, these guys in Washington are morons, lets vote for the other side. Can't be much worse" election. Trust me, if 4-6 years the people will be voting back the Dems, and then 4-6 more years it'll be Republicans. Just an endless circle jerk that comes when you have two parties who are nearly identical in policy and people who want things to change.

[Greyroofoo]

And whomever posts in it gets post-restricted to only that forum from then on.

And it doesn't add to their post count.