College football - Week 9

[Noop]

After a rough start to the game Florida State has scored 21 unanswered points against the Wolfpack of North Carolina State.

[MizzouRah]

MIZ

[Noop]

MIZ

?????

[tarcone]

Ill help

ZOU

[tarcone]

Iowa beats MSU 17-10.

Defense is feeling a little abused. They have ideas of inflicting a painful loss on MSU.

GO HAWKS

[Ksyrup]

What a horrible start for FSU. Hard to believe we're up 2 TDs and have over 200 yards of offense.

[wade moore]

Already anxious...

6-1 William and Mary heads to Chapel Hill to face UNC at 3:30 Saturday on ESPN3.

UNC obviously has lost quite a few key players, but a couple of the secondary members that were "suspended indefinitely" return this weekend.

This is homecoming for UNC, but I still feel like W&M has a shot.

I'll be at the game screaming my head off.

[MacroGuru]

Hell yeah! BYU will not lose this weekend...but if they can find a way to screw it up, they will....they have a BYE!

[MizzouRah]

Ill help

ZOU

;)

I have a bad feeling about this next game vs Nebraska, but I hope I'm wrong.

[panerd]

MIZ

Ill help

ZOU

+1. Headed to Lincoln tomorrow for Saturday's game. Never been to Memorial Stadium, this is going to be quite an experience.

[tarcone]

+1. Headed to Lincoln tomorrow for Saturday's game. Never been to Memorial Stadium, this is going to be quite an experience.

Awesome. Have fun. Ive heard its a wild place. Give an update when you get back. Iowa starts playing there soon. I would love to make the trip.

[tarcone]

FSU and NC St. is crazy. Im flipping between this and Clash of the Titans. Every time i change back someone is scoring

[Noop]

Florida State is weird this season.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

+1. Headed to Lincoln tomorrow for Saturday's game. Never been to Memorial Stadium, this is going to be quite an experience.

It's changed quite a bit over the past few years. They used to be a great crowd, but it's changed quite a bit. Pretty nasty crowd in comparison to what it was 10 years ago.

[panerd]

Awesome. Have fun. Ive heard its a wild place. Give an update when you get back. Iowa starts playing there soon. I would love to make the trip.

Yeah that would have been the fun thing about the rumor of Mizzou moving to the big 10. I have been to most of the old big 8's teams stadiums for both basketball and football. I think it would be fun to see some differnt teams live. I think there is something to tradition (especially in basketball) with the old big 8 schools but I really could give two shits about Tech, A&M, Baylor, and even Texas. (And I think they feel the same way about us)

[panerd]

It's changed quite a bit over the past few years. They used to be a great crowd, but it's changed quite a bit. Pretty nasty crowd in comparison to what it was 10 years ago.

I have found that if I am cool no matter if we win, lose, win big, or lose big that the opposing team's fans are pretty respectful as well. I am most looking forward to what has turned into a very interesting and important game than I really am in the atmoshpere anyways. I think seeing the tradition will be a big plus but could really care less if that doesn't end up being there. I want a Mizzou win, the rest is dressing.

[tarcone]

Yeah. I was really hoping Mizzou would be invited. A 1 1/2 hour drive to see Iowa would have been outstanding.
Maybe next round. Mizzou fits the Big10 mold, I think.

[Balldog]

Wow, Michigan State reinstates Chris Rucker. I'm a Dantonio fan because I liked him at OSU but he's running a pretty loose ship. It will be interesting to see how the season plays out, for some reason I can see them committing even more penalties.

[panerd]

Yeah. I was really hoping Mizzou would be invited. A 1 1/2 hour drive to see Iowa would have been outstanding.
Maybe next round. Mizzou fits the Big10 mold, I think.

Yeah, this probably interests nobody in the thread but who cares? KU is about the only team is have any major feelings about not playing but they would still probably schedule us in both sports. I am sure we could figure out a way to play OU, OSU, K-State, and Iowa State pretty often. There is of course the problem with the big ten not actually wanting us in their conference. :)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I have found that if I am cool no matter if we win, lose, win big, or lose big that the opposing team's fans are pretty respectful as well. I am most looking forward to what has turned into a very interesting and important game than I really am in the atmoshpere anyways. I think seeing the tradition will be a big plus but could really care less if that doesn't end up being there. I want a Mizzou win, the rest is dressing.

It's relative. They used to cheer for the other team on good plays and cheer for the other team at the end of the game no matter the result and hold themselves up as the gold standard of fans. Those traditions were lost during the lousy stretch in the middle of the decade.

[Lathum]

NC State deserves to lose for a lack of offensive creativity on the goalline there.

[Noop]

Ponder flat out cost us the game I fucking hate him so much right now.

[jbergey22]

Ponder is a fool

[Noop]

I hate Ponder he is a fucking bum.

[Lathum]

Fucker cost me some coin also

[RomaGoth]

Iowa beats MSU 17-10.

Defense is feeling a little abused. They have ideas of inflicting a painful loss on MSU.

GO HAWKS

A rare occasion where I am rooting alongside you. Also hoping for Missouri and Oregon losses.

[bronconick]

Jimbo Fisher needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that what he has on offense right now is a solid rushing attack with limited passing capability and call runs 60 to 65% of the time instead of letting his goddamn weak armed QB throw bubble screens, outs, and drop the ball all night.

He dicked around for three quarters with the pass vs. BC and almost lost the damn game. Tonight, he has a running back average over 10 yards a carry and get 11 carries. 298 yards rushing vs. Miami. Stop trying to be fancy because you're an "elite QB developer" and ram the ball down teams' throats until they stop it.

[Ksyrup]

Well, I now know what it would feel like to be a Kentucky alum. Your football team plays terrible, mistake-filled football for 58 minutes and should have no chance of winning a game yet somehow is in a position to win a huge one, and then a fluke/bonehead play ends that opportunity.

The TE was so open from the moment the ball was snapped that I didn't even see the fumble. I yelled "the TE in the corner!" and then kept watching the corner of the screen waiting for the pass. And it never came.

Those things happen. Frankly, I'm more upset with Ponder for the 3rd-and-short where he didn't cut back up inside to get the 1st down and we settled for a FG than I am for that last play. That was a "Romo dropping the kick snap" type of fluke play. That's why you don't wait around until there's 2 minutes left to try to win a game, because shit like that happens.

Oh well - you knew it was going to take more than a year to wipe the Bowden Influence off this team. That was a post-2000 Bowden game if I ever saw one. Brought back bad memories.

[Noop]

Those things happen. Frankly, I'm more upset with Ponder for the 3rd-and-short where he didn't cut back up inside to get the 1st down and we settled for a FG than I am for that last play. That was a "Romo dropping the kick snap" type of fluke play. That's why you don't wait around until there's 2 minutes left to try to win a game, because shit like that happens.

This is what pissed me off the most the fact he could have iced the game with that play and he failed to deliver.

[Ksyrup]

I think Fisher should have gone for it on that 4th down instead of settling for the FG, too. You have a great run offense and your QB could have gotten 4 yards on the last play instead of just 2. Use your advantage and get the momentum back. In that game, the FG didn't feel like it counted for anything.

[cmp]

Wow, Michigan State reinstates Chris Rucker. I'm a Dantonio fan because I liked him at OSU but he's running a pretty loose ship. It will be interesting to see how the season plays out, for some reason I can see them committing even more penalties.

But didn't you hear Dantonio has a 'zero tolerance' policy?

[Easy Mac]

At least Chris Rainey has learned his lesson.

[Matthean]

Wow, Michigan State reinstates Chris Rucker. I'm a Dantonio fan because I liked him at OSU but he's running a pretty loose ship. It will be interesting to see how the season plays out, for some reason I can see them committing even more penalties.

Reeks of it being about winning versus anything else. I have a hard time seeing how the punishment from the football side of things was justified when he doesn't miss any football.

[RomaGoth]

Looks like Boise State is ramping up their schedule bit by bit. Starting in 2012, they are playing Michigan State in a 3 game deal.

Michigan State will open 2012 season against Boise State (http://www.freep.com/article/20101029/SPORTS07/101029062/Michigan-State-will-open-2012-season-against-Boise-State)

Too bad the games are so far apart, but it is at least a start for BSU to improve their SOS.

[Matthean]

Looks like Boise State is ramping up their schedule bit by bit. Starting in 2012, they are playing Michigan State in a 3 game deal.

Michigan State will open 2012 season against Boise State (http://www.freep.com/article/20101029/SPORTS07/101029062/Michigan-State-will-open-2012-season-against-Boise-State)

Too bad the games are so far apart, but it is at least a start for BSU to improve their SOS.


So BSU, ND who can only be improved, and a Big Ten Schedule with Nebraska in it. MSU obviously isn't learning from Michigan taking on 'Bama. :lol:

EDIT: games two and three are in 2022 and 2023.

[BishopMVP]

So BSU, ND who can only be improved, and a Big Ten Schedule with Nebraska in it. MSU obviously isn't learning from Michigan taking on 'Bama. :lol:

EDIT: games two and three are in 2022 and 2023.Odds on those next two actually being played? 1/3?

[bronconick]

Odds on those next two actually being played? 1/3?

1 in 8 or lower. The Big TenXII keeps talking about going to 9 conference games in 2015 or so. Guess which games are going to vanish?

[Logan]

Having more ways to watch college football is always a good thing, so I'll support ESPN adding this Goal Line channel...but it would really be nice when they publicize it, if they didn't try to make it sound like they invented the god damn concept.

[dwardzala]

Having more ways to watch college football is always a good thing, so I'll support ESPN adding this Goal Line channel...but it would really be nice when they publicize it, if they didn't try to make it sound like they invented the god damn concept.

I thought ESPN invented sports :lol:

[RainMaker]

I can't wait till ESPN3 or ESPN360 or whatever they call it comes to the 360.

[tarcone]

A rare occasion where I am rooting alongside you. Also hoping for Missouri and Oregon losses.


You better hope for a TCU and Utah loss. They face each other on Nov. 6. The winner may jump Boise St.

[Swaggs]

WVU is just hard to watch this season.

[RainMaker]

Boise and TCU are not eligible guys. It's just a show.

[DeToxRox]

WVU is just hard to watch this season.

Really curious to see what would happen if TCU actually joined the Big East. Honestly I think they'd year in and year out be the best team in the conference.

[Swaggs]

Really curious to see what would happen if TCU actually joined the Big East. Honestly I think they'd year in and year out be the best team in the conference.

Hard to argue that right now. Patterson would immediately be far and away the best head coach.

We were talking about this in a WVU chat, but it was interesting enough to discuss here (for other conferences, as well). Right now, is there a head coach in the Big East that could find another BCS conference job?

Wanny and Stewart -- no way.
Marrone, Strong, Jones, and Holtz -- maybe in a few of them after a another several seasons, but not right now.
Schiano and Edsall -- maybe a really low level school like Duke, Vandy, or Washington State? They have both shown that they can build a program into respectability, but they also both look like they may have topped out with good, but not great.

[Swaggs]

This offense is so bad, I don't even think my blood pressure or heart rate increases in overtime anymore. :)

[Swaggs]

Awesome.

[Swaggs]

I think I'll avoid the WVU messageboards for the next couple of weeks or so. :)

[Lathum]

Big East is pretty wide open...

[Swaggs]

They are acting like beating an average WVU team is worthy of tearing down the goalposts.

[Lathum]

They are acting like beating an average WVU team is worthy of tearing down the goalposts.

To their credit they have never beaten them and without looking I would say some of the losses have been pretty bad.

Stewart (sp?) has some questions to answer, in pretty much every game I have watched them they haven't looked ready to play.

[Swaggs]

I think the offensive coordinator and OL coach are gone at the end of the season.

I'm guessing one more regular season loss and Stewart is done. Our fans have never been entirely on board with him after the way he was hired (middle of the night after the Fiesta Bowl win, without having formally interviewed) and I think ticket sales and donations are going to start to decline if something is not done soon.

I hate it for the guy, because he is a super human being and has had some success, but we are backsliding now and I don't see it getting any better.

[timmynausea]

I think the offensive coordinator and OL coach are gone at the end of the season.

I'm guessing one more regular season loss and Stewart is done. Our fans have never been entirely on board with him after the way he was hired (middle of the night after the Fiesta Bowl win, without having formally interviewed) and I think ticket sales and donations are going to start to decline if something is not done soon.

I hate it for the guy, because he is a super human being and has had some success, but we are backsliding now and I don't see it getting any better.

I basically agree with this. Part of me thinks he will get another year no matter what just because the WVU athletic department hasn't fired a head coach in football or basketball in my lifetime, but the truth is that he's already lost a huge portion of the fanbase and donors, and I don't get the impression that the new AD cares for him much.

I actually have pretty mixed feelings. I'd like to keep the defensive staff together, so retaining Stew with a new OC and OL coach might be the best option, in my opinion. I say that thinking that the list of replacement candidates won't be any better than last time.

[DeToxRox]

If Michigan loses tomorrow our season is probably done. I'd be willing to be next year Rich Rod is back in WVU if that happened. Call me crazy but I can see it.

[molson]

EDIT: games two and three are in 2022 and 2023.

Weird....Maybe they'll be able to make the road trip telepathically. Or in a rocket car.

[timmynausea]

If Michigan loses tomorrow our season is probably done. I'd be willing to be next year Rich Rod is back in WVU if that happened. Call me crazy but I can see it.

The rumor is that RR had already asked for his job back over the summer, presumably foreseeing that he'd likely be unemployed by the end of the season. He was a college teammate and friend of the new AD. I kind of doubt that the big money donors would have him back, but if WVU keeps failing to score 20 against Big East defenses, Rod will look better and better.

[Greyroofoo]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Boise-State%2C-Michigan-State-sign-three-game-deal

Looks like Boise as agreed to play Michigan State.

Now if only they could actually play in a competitive conference.

[DeToxRox]

I hope WVU decides to fire Stewart and hires Bud Foster or someone who won't retain Casteel. Would love the reunion in Ann Arbor.

[RomaGoth]

You better hope for a TCU and Utah loss. They face each other on Nov. 6. The winner may jump Boise St.

Only way either of them jumps ahead of BSU is with a Boise State loss. Tend to agree with Rainmaker though, it is all really just for show. No way does the Good 'ol boy sport of college football allow a Boise State, TCU, Utah, etc. into it's hallowed "national championship" club.

[RomaGoth]

Boise State, Michigan State sign three-game deal - CFB News - FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Boise-State%2C-Michigan-State-sign-three-game-deal)

Looks like Boise as agreed to play Michigan State.

Now if only they could actually play in a competitive conference.

Looks like Boise State is ramping up their schedule bit by bit. Starting in 2012, they are playing Michigan State in a 3 game deal.

Michigan State will open 2012 season against Boise State (http://www.freep.com/article/20101029/SPORTS07/101029062/Michigan-State-will-open-2012-season-against-Boise-State)

Too bad the games are so far apart, but it is at least a start for BSU to improve their SOS.



Already got it covered.....:D

[RomaGoth]

If Michigan loses tomorrow our season is probably done. I'd be willing to be next year Rich Rod is back in WVU if that happened. Call me crazy but I can see it.

I am kinda on the fence with Rich Rod as coach. I understand that it takes a complete recruiting class (i.e., 4-5 years) to really see if a completely new system is working or not. But....

Has he only recruited offensive players? I have not seen such a terrible Michigan defense in my lifetime like the one of the past 3-4 years. At the end of the day, Rodriguez is not a Michigan man and he should have never been hired in the first place. I still wish we would have hired Les Miles away from LSU, but our AD fucked that up every way possible.

[Matthean]

I am kinda on the fence with Rich Rod as coach. I understand that it takes a complete recruiting class (i.e., 4-5 years) to really see if a completely new system is working or not. But....

Has he only recruited offensive players? I have not seen such a terrible Michigan defense in my lifetime like the one of the past 3-4 years. At the end of the day, Rodriguez is not a Michigan man and he should have never been hired in the first place. I still wish we would have hired Les Miles away from LSU, but our AD fucked that up every way possible.

As per a previous week's thread. One of, if not the most highly regarded defensive recruit for Michigan last year showed up out of shape, not able to crack the line up like Michigan had assume he would, and then he left, but family and such were trying to get him back, but to my knowledge it was all for naught.

I also think part of the problem Michigan's last class was vastly three star recruits. They had a ton of them, but if those guys don't get coached well enough it really comes across as a lackluster class. Current class ranks below the top 25 via Rivals although it was there recently. There's no excuse to be that low when you know the you are so thin talent wise. ND and Stanford are known for huge academic requirements, but yet currently sit at #8 and #9. Michigan does currently have 2 four star defensive players committed.

[Swaggs]

If Michigan loses tomorrow our season is probably done. I'd be willing to be next year Rich Rod is back in WVU if that happened. Call me crazy but I can see it.

One of my friends that works for one of our big (biggest?) booster thinks that Rich Rod will be Oliver Luck's top choice. I can't see that happening. There was just too much of a power struggle before he left with too many bridges burnt and I think season tickets and donations would really tank. Rodriguez left at the height of his bargaining position (I think we can agree his star isn't as bright as it was in '07) and I cannot see him being humble enough to come back and deal with the same restrictions (and probably a tighter leash) he rebelled so much against originally.

My gut tells me that it will be Tommy Bowden, which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if he can retain some of the defensive staff.

As a completely random guess, some folks think that Oliver Luck (Andrew's dad) could try to sway Jim Harbaugh away from Stanford if his son leaves for the NFL. The thought is that Harbaugh thinks it would be easier to build without the academic restrictions that Stanford has and that his relationship with our athletic director would make for a good working environment. I cannot see him leaving a Pac 10 job for a Big East job, though. He will likely have much better options available (NFL? Michigan?) if he decides to leave.

[Swaggs]

I hope WVU decides to fire Stewart and hires Bud Foster or someone who won't retain Casteel. Would love the reunion in Ann Arbor.

Probably not too far fetched. If Stew does get fired and someone else is brought in as head coach, Casteel could get fed up with being passed over as head coach twice and feel like he may not ever get the opportunity without moving on. I'm not sure he would be too eager to work with Rod again, though.

[timmynausea]

As a completely random guess, some folks think that Oliver Luck (Andrew's dad) could try to sway Jim Harbaugh away from Stanford if his son leaves for the NFL. The thought is that Harbaugh thinks it would be easier to build without the academic restrictions that Stanford has and that his relationship with our athletic director would make for a good working environment. I cannot see him leaving a Pac 10 job for a Big East job, though. He will likely have much better options available (NFL? Michigan?) if he decides to leave.

I really don't see Harbaugh happening. I've heard Luck likes/knows Kevin Sumlin at Houston a few times in the past week.

[DeToxRox]

A guy who has had good stuff in the past (he is close to David Brandon) said if RR gets fired it'll happen because he has his next coach locked up. Considering his relationship with Harbaugh you'd have to assume it'll be him. Honestly though tomorrow will tell the tale. You lose to a bad PSU team starting a walk on QB after a week and you're going to be gone.

Even with a win this week we need to beat the fighting Zooks next week and he should be safe (though who knows, we'll probably get cocky and lose to Purdue)

[tarcone]

My guess is if Harbaugh becomes available (Like when Luck leaves for the NFL), Michigan will fire RR as quick as they can and hire Harbaugh.

[MizzouRah]

+1. Headed to Lincoln tomorrow for Saturday's game. Never been to Memorial Stadium, this is going to be quite an experience.

Have fun!!! I hope you see a W!

[jbergey22]

Have fun!!! I hope you see a W!

Everyone is underrating the Mizzou defense. I'd expect this game to be closer than the experts are predicting.

Something like 24-21 wouldnt surprise me.

[Lathum]

Miami receivers with some alligator arms on this first drive.

[larrymcg421]

Jacory Harris looks to be hurt really bad. I don't think he's coming back.

[Lathum]

Jacory Harris looks to be hurt really bad. I don't think he's coming back.

I saw the hit on the small screen on ESPN3. Was a penalty called, looked like the defender hit him under the chin with his helmet.

[larrymcg421]

I saw the hit on the small screen on ESPN3. Was a penalty called, looked like the defender hit him under the chin with his helmet.

No penalty was called.

Spencer Whipple, the Offensive Coordinator's son, is in the game right now.

[larrymcg421]

And is picked off in the red zone. Ugh.

[larrymcg421]

Spencer Whipple is not good.

[GrantDawg]

a) I feel dirty rooting for Tennessee. Not that it'll likely help them, either.
b) Marcus Lattimore. That is a beast.

[GrantDawg]

Hey, I post and they score. Maybe if I say they really have no hope, the Cocks will fumble the kick-off.

[DeToxRox]

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Helluva hit Jacory Harris took.

[larrymcg421]

Um, wow. Miami puts in their 4th string QB, a true freshman.

[jbergey22]

It looks hopeless for Miami right now.

[larrymcg421]

Here's how we get to the 4th stringer

1st: Jacory Harris - murdered on the field.
2nd: AJ Highsmith - They're trying to save his redshirt so they can switch him to defense next year. AKA "he can't play QB".
3rd: Spencer Whipple - throws some very accurate passes to 8 foot tall players. Unfortunately, Miami has no such players on their roster.

[JonInMiddleGA]

M'fing Tyler fucking Bray. I literally called that pick six about 5 seconds before the snap (when my son pointed out the QB switch for Tennessee).

For that matter, at this point, Derek fucking Dooley for putting the useless sumbitch on the field in the first place.

Kiffin, miserable excuse for a human being that he is, managed to coach up (and scheme up) Jonathan Incrompetant & for that I admit I respect his ability to identify whatever few strengths a player may have. Dooley OTOH, fuck me running, the amount that he's in over his head because clearer with each week that goes by. I know he's stuck in a Misfit Toys dynasty but that doesn't excuse mistakes like putting Bray in for that situation.

[larrymcg421]

Fuck me.

[larrymcg421]

Ugh, not only has Miami played like shit, but now I have to listen to the announcers with more of this "wait until the last second" idiotic two point conversion logic. And then Miami misses the XP.

And just as I type this, Miami recovers an onside kick. Now down 12 with 4:50 left.

[larrymcg421]

And Miami scored on a long pass right away! Holy shit, we still have a game here!

[CU Tiger]

fahk....


so much for controlling your own destiny

[larrymcg421]

And the Miami defense fails.

[markprior22]

and Sparty gets ROCKED

[tarcone]

Great start for the Hawks. GREAT START!

[JPhillips]

I loved Stanzi when he played for the Allman Brothers.

[MJ4H]

nice start for nebraska

[BishopMVP]

Nebraska's overrated and barely a top 25 team.[/mbbf]

[markprior22]

WOO FREAKING HOO

[mauchow]

What a brilliant move by the corner to pitch it to another player so he could be a lead blocker. 17-0 Iowa just like that. Wisconsin's shot at the Rose Bowl getting brighter by the moment!

[B & B]

Dear Misery,

Suck it.


Sincerely Bo.

[cartman]

Those national championship contenders are getting manhandled by a borderline top 25-30 team.

[markprior22]

What a brilliant move by the corner to pitch it to another player so he could be a lead blocker. 17-0 Iowa just like that. Wisconsin's shot at the Rose Bowl getting brighter by the moment!

Sash is a safety but, yeah, brilliant play

[mauchow]

Glad to see the fraud top 6 teams getting handled. The only win any team in the Big 10 has over a BCS opponent with a winning record is OSU over Miami. Get that garbage conference away from the title game pronto.

Nebraska's receivers should be ashamed of costing their team a legit national championship game chance by dropping easy TDs against Texas. I would have loved the Oregon/Nebraska title game.

Every conference has their issues right now and to single out the Big 10 is silly. In my opinion the Big 12 is a joke (who has Nebraska beat? Who has Oklahoma beat? Mizzou? It's the same argument you have against the Big 10). The Big East is the biggest joke right along with the ACC. The SEC is probably the best conference. And then you've got the PAC 10 which has basically two good teams this year.

The Big 10 has potentially four top 15 teams come the end of the season as it stands right now.. no other conference can really say that right now.

[tarcone]

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!


and another missed extra point. priotrity one is to recruit a stinkin' kicker. jeez.

[tarcone]

We will see when bowl season rolls around. Big10 whooped butt last season.

[cmp]

Glad to see the fraud top 6 teams getting handled. The only win any team in the Big 10 has over a BCS opponent with a winning record is OSU over Miami. Get that garbage conference away from the title game pronto.

Nebraska's receivers should be ashamed of costing their team a legit national championship game chance by dropping easy TDs against Texas. I would have loved the Oregon/Nebraska title game.

Wow ok, and the SEC has what, 5 wins over BCS opponents with a winning record? Not many conferences have any.

[cmp]

SEC has 7 wins against BCS schools with winning records so far this year. Big 12 has 4. Big 10 has 1. That 1 just lost to UVA who came in with wins against Richmond, VMI and E. Michigan.

There's a large difference between the top teams in the top conferences and the top teams in the Big 10.

And what exactly are those 7 wins?

[mauchow]

SEC has 7 wins against BCS schools with winning records so far this year. Big 12 has 4. Big 10 has 1. That 1 just lost to UVA who came in with wins against Richmond, VMI and E. Michigan.

There's a large difference between the top teams in the top conferences and the top teams in the Big 10.

I would take the Big 10 over any conference this year in their Top 5 teams and as a conference as a whole.

[Chubby]

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

[mauchow]

And what exactly are those 7 wins?

Louisville and Clemson WERE one of the 7 wins but now they're .500 teams so.. bring that down to 5 wins(I'm still searching)

edit: Arkansas beat Texas A&M but A&M is losing at the moment and would bring this stat down to 4... (still searching for this all-telling stat that dictates greatness of conferences)

edit: wins over Penn State and North Carolina are part of the stat.. trying to find the last two.. Hmm

[tarcone]

MSU. BAWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[tarcone]

This is great.

[Swaggs]

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

I hated to see them beat us last week, but I'm glad to see them back. I haven't hated them for quite awhile, but they are getting back to worthiness. ;)

[mauchow]

6 more than the Big 10, that's what they are. The 2nd best OOC win for the Big 10 is either the trick play OT win against barely mediocre ND or the 1 point home with for Wisconsin over 3-4 ASU. They've played almost nobody and haven't done well against the few teams with a pulse they've played.

The Badgers went into Iowa and beat them and now MSU (who everyone knows was over rated but the Badgers couldn't come out with a win against the then-inspired Spartans because coach was in hospital.. but the game could have gone either way as it was evenly matched after halftime) is in Iowa and is absolutely getting crushed. The Big 10 is better than you think.

[kingfc22]

And Missouri and MSU can now be scratched off the BCS title hopes list.

[tarcone]

30-0 at half time. GO HAWKS!

[cmp]

So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there.

[Chief Rum]

What's it like having a competent coaching staff, one you know will make the right decision for the right situation most of the time, one which has players that actually seem to develop over the seasons and show growth even during a season?

What's it like? Because I can't remember seeing that at UCLA in 20 years. I don't know what it looks like.

We haven't had even an adequate QB for more than a season since Cade McNown graduated after the 1998 season. And even allowing "for a season", we have only had one adequate season (a very good one from Ryan Olsen in 2005). That's one adequate season in 13 years. Every other season, we get QBs who miss wide open WRs, who can't complete short passes, who never establish a rhythm or show command of the offense.

Every other programs gets young guys to just come in and run the offense and do well. Or they get their starters hurt, and they just replace them, and they're fine. This doesn't happen at UCLA. We can't even get the starter to play well.

It's extremely frustrating as a fan. We can't even hire a reputed QB guru in Norm Chow and produce even an adequate QB.

I think an adequate QB covers for a lot of other ills in a program. And a poor one hides a lot of the other good stuff that can happen in a program. And you can't compete in the Pac 10 even with an adequate QB--you need a stud in this league.

It's critical that when you go to hire a coach, he has to be a guy who knows how to develop a QB--or who has shown he's smart enough to hire someone who knows.

I have a lot more issues with the rest of the staff as well, particularly on defense and at WR, but QB is the crux of the issue. It's getting me to the point where I think I am just going to stop paying any attention to UCLA's football team at all. Call me when they're finally good, and so forth.

[miked]

Very happy to see the "U" go down.

[Swaggs]

So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there.

Honestly, though -- what are the Big Ten's five best OOC wins?

[cmp]

Honestly, though -- what are the Big Ten's five best OOC wins?

I'm not saying the Big Ten has many, I just think it's a stupid statistic, not many conferences have any good OOC wins. Until the top teams in each conference play each other it's worthless to try and compare.

[mauchow]

So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there.

And by season's end 4 of those 5 teams might not have a better than .500 record. It is a telling stat though, I bow down to the SEC for taking care of business against those teams.

[mauchow]

I'm not saying the Big Ten has many, I just think it's a stupid statistic, not many conferences have any good OOC wins. Until the top teams in each conference play each other it's worthless to try and compare.

This. Bowl season answers most of these questions which is why it's silly to throw out pointless stats such as this.

I said it before, I would take the Big 10 right now over ANY conference in terms of who's the best.. but it's just my opinion and that doesn't matter at all.

Lets continue this fun chatting while the rest of the season continues to change every single week.

[Swaggs]

Those OOC games don't tell the whole story, but they give a little bit of context on where a conference stands against its rival conferences. The wins, against even average to above average teams by members (particularly the middle to lower members of a conference) can give you a good idea of the depth of the conferences, in addition to the strength at the top.

Interestingly, I was reading an article a few days ago about how BCS OOC games are probably going to become fewer and fewer in the next 5-10 years because so many of the conferences are going to a 9-game season. That just leaves room for one FCS game (pure money-making home game), one rivalry game (think South Carolina-Clemson, Georgia-GT, USC-ND), etc), and then one game you can use against another BCS team or, more likely against a Sun Beltish/MACish team.

[Bigsmooth]

William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina.

...and they miss the chip shot FG!

17-7

[Swaggs]

William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina.

...and they miss the chip shot FG!

17-7

Time?

[BishopMVP]

7:20 left 3rd Q in the UNC game.

What's the worst shutout loss for a top 5 team?

[Buccaneer]

Time?

Common Time.

[Buccaneer]

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

+100

[bronconick]

Cal continuing to use separate squads for home and road games.

Home
W ASU 50-17
W UCLA 35-7

Road
L USC 14-48
L OSU 0-35 (3rd)

[jbergey22]

Cal continuing to use separate squads for home and road games.

Home
W ASU 50-17
W UCLA 35-7

Road
L USC 14-48
L OSU 0-35 (3rd)

They also lost their starting QB early in the game perhaps for the year. It was disturbing to watch.

[BishopMVP]

In MBBF's defense, Nebraska legitimately is a borderline top 25 team when Zac Lee is playing quarterback. Yeesh.

[jbergey22]

7:20 left 3rd Q in the UNC game.

What's the worst shutout loss for a top 5 team?

Im thinking 50+ to 0. It seems to me that either one of the Notre Dame teams or Miami in the mid 80's kicked the crap out of the #1 ranked team.

[tarcone]

What's it like having a competent coaching staff, one you know will make the right decision for the right situation most of the time, one which has players that actually seem to develop over the seasons and show growth even during a season?

What's it like? Because I can't remember seeing that at UCLA in 20 years. I don't know what it looks like.

We haven't had even an adequate QB for more than a season since Cade McNown graduated after the 1998 season. And even allowing "for a season", we have only had one adequate season (a very good one from Ryan Olsen in 2005). That's one adequate season in 13 years. Every other season, we get QBs who miss wide open WRs, who can't complete short passes, who never establish a rhythm or show command of the offense.

Every other programs gets young guys to just come in and run the offense and do well. Or they get their starters hurt, and they just replace them, and they're fine. This doesn't happen at UCLA. We can't even get the starter to play well.

It's extremely frustrating as a fan. We can't even hire a reputed QB guru in Norm Chow and produce even an adequate QB.

I think an adequate QB covers for a lot of other ills in a program. And a poor one hides a lot of the other good stuff that can happen in a program. And you can't compete in the Pac 10 even with an adequate QB--you need a stud in this league.

It's critical that when you go to hire a coach, he has to be a guy who knows how to develop a QB--or who has shown he's smart enough to hire someone who knows.

I have a lot more issues with the rest of the staff as well, particularly on defense and at WR, but QB is the crux of the issue. It's getting me to the point where I think I am just going to stop paying any attention to UCLA's football team at all. Call me when they're finally good, and so forth.

Its awesome.

[tarcone]

37-0 Iowa

7:35 left in the 3rd

[Chief Rum]

They also lost their starting QB early in the game perhaps for the year. It was disturbing to watch.

I didn't see the play, and I hope Riley is okay.

That said if you know anything about Cal, you know that Riley not being on the field may not be an entirely bad thing. That position is just about the only spot they don't get good play on a consistent basis.

(Home/road splits aside).

[Chief Rum]

Its awesome.

Heh... I'll bet.

[jbergey22]

I didn't see the play, and I hope Riley is okay.

That said if you know anything about Cal, you know that Riley not being on the field may not be an entirely bad thing. That position is just about the only spot they don't get good play on a consistent basis.

(Home/road splits aside).

I know Riley has been inconsistent but they havent done anything with this other guy. He looks like a deer in headlights. On 3rd and 10 he wont even attempt to throw the ball to the marker.

[Chief Rum]

I know Riley has been inconsistent but they havent done anything with this other guy. He looks like a deer in headlights. On 3rd and 10 he wont even attempt to throw the ball to the marker.

That's impressive if they have a guy much worse than Riley. It's an indictment on the coaching staff there.

Of course, I would still trade UCLA's staff for that one.

[tarcone]

Iowa is in its conservative offense. Pound the ball up the middle. MSU still having problems.

[jbergey22]

That's impressive if they have a guy much worse than Riley. It's an indictment on the coaching staff there.

Of course, I would still trade UCLA's staff for that one.

Haha,

Yeah the backup is from Dallas and he is 8/14 for 45 yards. He is just scared to throw the ball more than 2 yards downfield. His name is Mansion.

[RedKingGold]

William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina.

...and they miss the chip shot FG!

17-7

I think I hear Wade crapping his pants with excitement somewhere.

[RedKingGold]

BTW, anyone watching the "Goal Line" preview on ESPN2?

Clear imitation of NFL's Red Zone but not nearly as good. Not impressed at all.

[tarcone]

Iowa is going to lose their shut out. Too bad.

[Lathum]

Pretty nasty weather here in Seattle, hopefully that can somewhat neutralize Luck and give us a chance. I was going to go to the game today, glad I didn't.

[jbergey22]

I love how all these "experts" predicting Mizzou to lose and Michigan State to lose today were calling these upsets.

Vegas had the home teams favored by 7 points so Im not understanding how they can consider Iowa at home beating MSU or Nebraska at home beating Mizzou upsets.

[jbergey22]

Pretty nasty weather here in Seattle, hopefully that can somewhat neutralize Luck and give us a chance. I was going to go to the game today, glad I didn't.

Is it windy and rainy?

The total on the game is very high. Is the under a play?

[Buccaneer]

Heh... I'll bet.

Come on Chief, don't feed the troll. :)

[Lathum]

Is it windy and rainy?

The total on the game is very high. Is the under a play?

Yeah, if I was betting this game I think the under may be safe.

[tarcone]

Come on Chief, don't feed the troll. :)

:p

[tarcone]

Iowa 37-6

[BishopMVP]

I think I hear Wade crapping his pants with excitement somewhere.He's at the game, so he's definitely going crazy right now.Gotta love the ND refs doing everything they can to keep the chosen team from losing to poor old Tulsa.

Taunting call after a punt return of 2 yards. Terrible. Hope Tulsa pulls this one out against the odds.You do realize the refs are from a different conference? I don't know if there was taunting or not because NBC rarely bothers to show replays, but no one from Tulsa seemed to be going crazy about it.

[SirFozzie]

Cam Newton with a receiving touchdown many top WR would have trouble with (Double toe tap in the corner of the end zone).

Can we just stop the season right now and give him the Heisman?

[jbergey22]

Cam Newton with a receiving touchdown many top WR would have trouble with (Double toe tap in the corner of the end zone).

Can we just stop the season right now and give him the Heisman?

He might not want to show too many of his WR skills or he will end up an NFL "slash" type player. ;)

[BishopMVP]

And ND's freshman QB throws an end zone INT down 1 with 20 seconds left.

[John Galt]

Honestly, though -- what are the Big Ten's five best OOC wins?

I was a little curious after reading the posts about how bad the Big Ten was. These are my counts of games against BCS conference opponents (including ND):

Wins
Miami (5-3)
Notre Dame (2x) (4-4)
Arizona State (3-4)
UConn (4-4)
Vanderbilt (2-5)
Iowa State (5-4)

Losses
Alabama
Arizona
Missouri
USC
Notre Dame

I may have missed some, but I tried to be thorough. If you remove the wins and losses caused by Big Ten teams, that makes for six wins over BCS conference teams (including ND) with a .500 or above record. It isn't stellar, but it isn't as bad as it was being made out to be.

[bronconick]

I don't mind Notre Dame losing any more than your average Joe, but why the hell would you be throwing the ball? Spurrier had Garcia doing the same thing, what two weeks ago? Recruit a friggin' kicker, people.

[jbergey22]

Conference strength changes from year to year depending on losses the prior year. Its kind of silly to base it off of one year in my opinion. I think most people wouldnt have a hard time saying that clearly the number 1 conference is the SEC.

After that it seems Big 12 is slightly better than the Big 10, Pac 10 most years so IMO its

1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Big 10
3a. Pac 10
5. ACC
6. Big East

Of course if Miami and Florida State were to ever get back to where they once were I could see the ACC jumping ahead of Big 10 and Pac 10.

[molson]

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

Indeed.

Probably still a little silly (actually a lot silly), no idea why they jumped them over Pitt, but what the hell, CBS Sportline projects it, not me, and its easy on the eyes:

http://media.syracuse.com/orangefootball/photo/9007175-large.jpg

[MizzouRah]

I knew this game would be tough.. but c'mon Ok St just hung 41 on these hoes!

[tarcone]

Karma for Notre Dame.

[tarcone]

2nd team battle in Iowa City.

[BishopMVP]

I don't mind Notre Dame losing any more than your average Joe, but why the hell would you be throwing the ball? Spurrier had Garcia doing the same thing, what two weeks ago? Recruit a friggin' kicker, people.ND has a kicker - he's made 19 in a row. :banghead:

[SirFozzie]

GREAT full forward leap of a catch for the TV as Ole Miss ties the game up. Hope the QB operators have eaten their wheaties, this could be a barnburner..

[Buccaneer]

Indeed.

Probably still a little silly (actually a lot silly), no idea why they jumped them over Pitt, but what the hell, CBS Sportline projects it, not me, and its easy on the eyes:

http://media.syracuse.com/orangefootball/photo/9007175-large.jpg

I think I'm going to need a new box of kleenex.

[BishopMVP]

It might be a flag, but that was a fumble.

[sterlingice]

Nice helmet-to-helmet that the refs missed in the Mizzou-Nebraska game.

Gabbert has horrible happy feet- this is my first time seeing MU all season. Is this unique to this game and NU's defense or is he always like this?

SI

[sterlingice]

It might be a flag, but that was a fumble.

Agreed- if that wasn't a flag, it was a fumble.

SI

[sterlingice]

I think I'm going to need a new box of kleenex.

Don't throw that last one out. You could probably get something on ebay for the first box of Kleenex ever made ;)

SI

[BishopMVP]

This announcer is overplaying the hit too... yes it was helmet to helmet but that was partially/mostly because Gabbert ducked his head into it. The Nebraska defender kept his eyes/helmet up and didn't leave his feet. 15 yard flag if you want to call it, but not some travesty.

[BishopMVP]

If Missouri comes back and forces OT (due to Zac Lee being maybe the worst BCS QB east of Cal and west of UConn), look back at that play. Not getting the TD return would be bad enough, but the officials not even reviewing the play was a joke. Don't coaches get 1 challenge now? Did Pelini use his up earlier?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I've given up on officiating. If a guy can rip someone's helmet off & there's no flag then WTF?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Good call by the officials, sorry as I am to say it, the Gator returner was OOB at the half yard line (and possibly at the 5).

[SirFozzie]

that was bizarre. the Ole Miss rusher thought one of the blockers had the kickoff return and blew him up with a huge hit..

while the guy with the ball ran right by him on the way to the end zone.

[Lathum]

Yep.

Glad I didn't go to the UW game...

[MrBug708]

Progress for UCLA. It's a start

[MizzouRah]

No excuses, but we did not look like the team that beat OU last week - of course playing anyone on the road is a tough task, especially Nebraska.

[jbergey22]

What is the percentage of both pac-10 teams showing up for a game this year? 5-10%

Its Washington that didnt show up now.

The lopsided game Pac-10.

[markprior22]

No excuses, but we did not look like the team that beat OU last week - of course playing anyone on the road is a tough task, especially Nebraska.

Really sucks to have your team play a game like that when it really matters. You know they can do better but for whatever reason, they don't show up.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Auburn starting to roll now, 44-17 in Q3

[Lathum]

And Oregon goes for 2 on their first TD, I love it.

Crazy game in Arkansas right now also.

[tarcone]

Track meet in LA

[bhlloy]

17-15 halfway through the second is hardly a track meet. These teams have stopped each other as many times as they have scored TD's. Would have expected Oregon to have 30 on the board by now.

[DeToxRox]

Feel bad for Stanford fans. UM is going to cost you your coach tonight.

[MizzouRah]

Really sucks to have your team play a game like that when it really matters. You know they can do better but for whatever reason, they don't show up.

Yeah, I had a bad feeling about this game. They didn't adjust at all offensively.

We would have lost by more if Martinez didn't get injured.

You can't give up 300+ rushing yards to one player and expect to win any game.

[Noop]

I guess MBBF is not going to show up tonight eh?

[DeToxRox]

I've been indifferent to RR thinking he needed at least three years. Even if we win tonight, I'm about done with it. Having two weeks to prepare for PSU and play like this is inexcusable.

[MrBug708]

17-15 halfway through the second is hardly a track meet. These teams have stopped each other as many times as they have scored TD's. Would have expected Oregon to have 30 on the board by now.

They only average 55 points per game, so they are right on track for that average.

I dont think there is a team that can beat Oregon. They can beat that defense, but can any defense beat that offense?

[miami_fan]

I love Chip Kelly! Balls to the wall play calling

[MrBug708]

haha...wow! 30 seconds left in the half and Oregon is throwing it 30 yards on their own 4 yard line.

[tarcone]

Oregon/Auburn over/under will be 100 points. Wow.

Both teams are just fast.

[bhlloy]

They only average 55 points per game, so they are right on track for that average.

I dont think there is a team that can beat Oregon. They can beat that defense, but can any defense beat that offense?

Well yeah, SC fumbling and giving up 2 scores in about 4 plays after I typed that didn't help :D

I think a team with really disciplined LB and S can probably keep it close. When USC hasn't bit on the playaction they've been doing mostly OK but too much youth and inexperience out there is leading to the quick scores. Don't think Auburn is that team after giving up all those points to Ole Miss today. 1 loss Bama team might be the team that has the best shot.

[Eaglesfan27]

I love Chip Kelly! Balls to the wall play calling

I do too. As a USC fan that was painful to watch, but I love watching Oregon play against any other team.

[tarcone]

Yeah the Big10 is just terrible.:rolleyes:

I agree the teams are bad. But your stupid comments about the Big10 are tired and old. Please refrain from showing your ignorance. Thank you.

[AFShadow]

Wow Air Force down 28-10 in the 4th coming back scoring 2 50+ yard TDs in about 2 1/2 minutes of play time on Utah cutting it to 28-23 with 10 minutes left.

[MacroGuru]

Yeah the Big10 is just terrible.:rolleyes:

I agree the teams are bad. But your stupid comments about the Big10 are tired and old. Please refrain from showing your ignorance. Thank you.

But how else can he truly tells you how he feels about the Big 10 and bemoan it every time he posts?

[MrBug708]

USC coming out strong. Im torn on who I want to win. A USC win is always bad, but Oregon has some obnoxious fans, including some family members. One who told me I should have gone to the USC-Oregon game (Instead of the UCLA-Arizona game) and rooted for Oregon because it's good for the PAC-10.

Oregon is giving up on defense and USC's defense is finally starting to play like it should be.

[DeToxRox]

Seriously, I feel bad for Stanford fans.

Harbaugh is almost 100% not going back there next year, though I actually hope he sticks around if he isn't coming to Michigan but it seems like the Niners are going to be a concern themselves.

[cmp]

The Big 10 is horrible this year. Who's the best team?

MSU? They needed a trick play in OT to beat a shit ND team.

OSU? They have the best OOC win and it's over Miami who has since been blown off the field by FSU and beaten by awful UVA. They chunked it against a pretty average Wisconsin team.

Iowa? Lost at a good Arizona team. Donked off a win at home against Wisconsin.

Wisconsin? Lost to MSU. That's a joke. Biggest OOC win is 1 point at home against ASU who will be 4-4 with a losing record in the Pac-10 after tonight.

The entire conference has done jack so far this year. I'd lay at least 14 with Oregon, Arizona, USC, Boise, TCU, Utah, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Mizzou against any team in the Big 10 this year.

Are you able to shut up at all? You know you don't have to watch.

[jbergey22]

The entire conference has done jack so far this year. I'd lay at least 14 with Oregon, Arizona, USC, Boise, TCU, Utah, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Mizzou against any team in the Big 10 this year.

If you would lay 14 with them teams against Ohio St and Iowa you would get your ass handed to you.

[Big Fo]

I would take Ohio St. +14 against Missouri for sure.

[jbergey22]

I would take Ohio St. +14 against Missouri for sure.

I would gladly take Ohio State +14 at a neutral site against any one of them teams.

Iowa already went to Arizona this year, outplayed them but lost because of special teams. Id certainly take Iowa +14 against atleast half them team comfortably.

[cmp]

I would take Ohio St. +14 against Missouri for sure.

And Utah, Arizona, Boise, TCU, Utah, LSU, Arkansas at the very very least.

[tarcone]

Using your logic:
Nebraska is horrible. They lost to a 500 Texas team. Who is losing to a 2 loss Baylor team.

Alabama is horrible. They got smacked around by a 19th rated South Carolina who lost to Kentucky.

USC is junk. They lost to Washington. Washington? A powerhouse.

Mizzou is bad. Beat up by a team that lost to Texas. And a horrible OOC.

Arizona is bad too. Lost to Oregon State at home. Terrible.

LSU? Choked against Auburn. How can they be good?

Arkansas is a joke. Thye gave up 65 points in a game. 65?

Oklahoma is just plain bad. They lost to Mizzou. Who lost to a terrible Nebraska team.

What a bunch of terrible teams. They cant compete with the likes of Utah or Boise or TCU or Auburn.

[tarcone]

USC is having a real hard time covering those Oregon receivers.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting how many people were surprised by Mizzou losing at Nebraska. Didn't surprise me at all. I've said it all year and even said it last week. I think the Big 12 champ will have two losses. Granted, Mizzou has a pretty weak schedule down the stretch that should inflate their win total a bit, but today's result proves my point that I've been making all along. There's some good teams in this conference, but none of them are elite.

Last week I noted that Mizzou was the only B12 team left with a national championship shot in the B12, but anyone who thought that would actually happen was trading in fool's gold. MU laid the same egg that NU laid a couple of weeks ago.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I guess MBBF is not going to show up tonight eh?

Apologies. Running a winery doesn't allow for much time to watch football on the weekends.

[tarcone]

Air Force/Utah update?

[MacroGuru]

Air Force/Utah update?

Utah pulled it out 28 - 23

[MrBug708]

That was a pretty ticky tacky flag on Oregon. Must have said something that the ref heard

[Eaglesfan27]

WTF was that toss play. Horrible play call.

[tarcone]

Michigan lost again. Just turned it over on doens at their own 28. Down by 10 with 4:44 left in the game.

[tarcone]

Michigan is 4-16 against the Big10. Makes me wonder how good the Big East really is.

This is RRs record. Sorry for not putting that in there.

[Atocep]

Michigan is 4-16 against the Big10. Makes me wonder how good the Big East really is.

Rich found at DC that could actually stop the opposing offenses every now and then at WVU.

[RomaGoth]

Michigan is 4-16 against the Big10. Makes me wonder how good Rich Rodriguez really is.

fixed

[cmp]

Honestly, onside kick everytime and we'd have a better chance to win. Denard almost puts up 200/200 again but it doesn't matter if the defense is that bad.

[Noop]

Interesting how many people were surprised by Mizzou losing at Nebraska. Didn't surprise me at all. I've said it all year and even said it last week. I think the Big 12 champ will have two losses. Granted, Mizzou has a pretty weak schedule down the stretch that should inflate their win total a bit, but today's result proves my point that I've been making all along. There's some good teams in this conference, but none of them are elite.

Last week I noted that Mizzou was the only B12 team left with a national championship shot in the B12, but anyone who thought that would actually happen was trading in fool's gold. MU laid the same egg that NU laid a couple of weeks ago.

Cmon now you were calling NU overrated so are they or not?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Cmon now you were calling NU overrated so are they or not?

When I said that, they were a top 5 team. They're clearly not a top 5 team. I said they were a top 20-25 team and I still feel that way. You could honestly say that about most of the Big 12 front runners at this point. They've all had good wins and have all showed some severe warts at this point. None of them have the consistency needed to be an elite team.

[RomaGoth]

Really wish ESPN had gone with something other than two crap teams from the godawful 10 for the 8pm showcase game.

Seriously, give the Big 10 smack a rest. We get that you don't like the conference.

[RomaGoth]

I've been indifferent to RR thinking he needed at least three years. Even if we win tonight, I'm about done with it. Having two weeks to prepare for PSU and play like this is inexcusable.

I am right there with you. Very unimpressed with him and his fantastic offense.

[Lathum]

When I said that, they were a top 5 team. They're clearly not a top 5 team. I said they were a top 20-25 team and I still feel that way. You could honestly say that about most of the Big 12 front runners at this point. They've all had good wins and have all showed some severe warts at this point. None of them have the consistency needed to be an elite team.

HAd Martinez not gone down they win by 35 today...

Top 5, probably not, top 10, I would say so.

[tarcone]

Id hate to be the Oregon Duck Mascot. Unless Oregon scored, like, 5 points a game. Then I could hang.

[Lathum]

The entire conference has done jack so far this year. I'd lay at least 14 with Oregon, Arizona, USC, Boise, TCU, Utah, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Mizzou against any team in the Big 10 this year.

You would lose a lot of money. As others have said OSU and Iowa are locks against most of those teams and with +14 I take Wiscy and maybe even NU in most of those games.

You keep referencing OOC wins and schedule. NO ONE from a BCS conference has a solid OOC schedule, that is how the game is played.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

HAd Martinez not gone down they win by 35 today...

Top 5, probably not, top 10, I would say so.

With the finishing schedules, I think NU and MU both end up in the top 10, but I don't think either is worthy of that placement.

[Lathum]

Name 10 teams better than NU

[RomaGoth]

Was really hoping that USC would knock off Oregon, but that Trojan defense just got smacked around pretty hard.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Name 10 teams better than NU

The NU that lost to Texas or the one that beat MU?

[MrBug708]

Barkley owes some of his receivers dinner because he has gotten them killed a number of times

[Lathum]

The NU that lost to Texas or the one that beat MU?

Everyone in college plays poor games, Bama had no business losing to USC but they did. The fact that you are dodging the question proves you really can'r name 10 better teams.

[Poli]

Took me a few minutes to figure out who on the ignore list is drawing the ire of the posters. I'm guessing it's either dawgfan or mbbf at this point.

[Lathum]

What is funny is every time this discussion comes up with MBBF he dodges the question. His de facto answer is NU isn't top 5, which it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, but everytime he is asked to list the 10-20 teams ahead of them he dodges the question.

[Poli]

I wish Tennessee would play an entire game instead of a half.

And give friggin OKU the ball. The kid's going to transfer if we don't play him.

[Matthean]

Seriously, I feel bad for Stanford fans.

Harbaugh is almost 100% not going back there next year, though I actually hope he sticks around if he isn't coming to Michigan but it seems like the Niners are going to be a concern themselves.

He'll make a far more interesting college coach compared to a pro coach. One example is he can actually recruit and that's not an option in the pros. Even if I'm not 100% sure how well he would work, he will be good enough to make Michigan football interesting again in a way that hasn't happened for me in a long time.

Part of me does want to see him stay there and see how well he does post Luck.

[RainMaker]

Name 10 teams better than NU

That could be tough. I'd say:

Auburn
Boise State
TCU
Alabama
Oregon
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Iowa
LSU

That's 9 with maybes on Arizona, Oklahoma, and Utah. Also some teams farther down who have had some bad times that are still real good like Virginia Tech, South Carolina, and Arkansas. Tough to say though since I think so many teams in the top 5-20 area are similar. Too many coin flips. Most of these "better" than arguments are games that I think a home team would win.

[jbergey22]

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These guys have Nebraska right at #10. This is prior to today however.

[Lathum]

Drop the three MAC 10 teams.



You're trying way to hard...

[Greyroofoo]

Hey, Toledo may actually be going to a bowl game this year!

[k0ruptr]

so, uhm Hawaii is pretty damn good this year. 31-3 at halftime against Idaho. on our way (hopefully) to our 7th win. 7-2 through 9 games , pretty much not any Hawaii fans really expected this , this season. Great surprise !

[k0ruptr]

dola. If we keep it up and win this game, Hawaii is also going bowling this year!

[jbergey22]

so, uhm Hawaii is pretty damn good this year. 31-3 at halftime against Idaho. on our way (hopefully) to our 7th win. 7-2 through 9 games , pretty much not any Hawaii fans really expected this , this season. Great surprise !

They are a fun team this year. Have an offense almost as good as the Timmy Chang days and now they actually play defense.

[dawgfan]

Took me a few minutes to figure out who on the ignore list is drawing the ire of the posters. I'm guessing it's either dawgfan or mbbf at this point.
Wow - that's a hell of an indictment to be lumped together with MBBF. What exactly did I do to so piss off Poli?

[k0ruptr]

They are a fun team this year. Have an offense almost as good as the Timmy Chang days and now they actually play defense.

The defense is so the key this year. Offense is always pretty strong. But the defense makes them a very solid team. I'm really looking forward to the matchup vs Boise next week.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What is funny is every time this discussion comes up with MBBF he dodges the question. His de facto answer is NU isn't top 5, which it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, but everytime he is asked to list the 10-20 teams ahead of them he dodges the question.

Or I go to bed because I had a busy day. Apologies.

My point is that no one would have said they were top 10 when they were beat by Texas. Similarly, no one would say that about MU after the loss to NU. You're reacting to the present rather than an overall look at their work. I'd say both probably would fall in that top 10-15 range IMO, but both have got some warts that would not allow them to match up well against teams in other conferences.

I suppose I'll have to participate in the rankings thread in the future to make sure you know exactly where I think they stand next year. :)

[GrantDawg]

Wow - that's a hell of an indictment to be lumped together with MBBF. What exactly did I do to so piss off Poli?


Asked if he wanted a cracker?

[cartman]

Geez, my preseason fears about the Texas team have become 100x worse in reality. Their offense has just completely disappeared this season.

[Lathum]

Wow - that's a hell of an indictment to be lumped together with MBBF. What exactly did I do to so piss off Poli?

I was curious about that as well

[JonInMiddleGA]

And give friggin OKU the ball. The kid's going to transfer if we don't play him.

I finally assumed that he must have been hurt or something, given the flop of both Poole & Neal yesterday (sub 3.0 ypc for both), but haven't found any reference to it. Plus he did have one KOR yesterday, so I don't get the logic in not at least trying him yesterday. He's gotta be in the doghouse deep for something we don't know about, that's all that makes sense.

[sterlingice]

Asked if he wanted a cracker?

:D

SI

[Poli]

I finally assumed that he must have been hurt or something, given the flop of both Poole & Neal yesterday (sub 3.0 ypc for both), but haven't found any reference to it. Plus he did have one KOR yesterday, so I don't get the logic in not at least trying him yesterday. He's gotta be in the doghouse deep for something we don't know about, that's all that makes sense.
I figure it's the doghouse and I'm not overly excited about that. Oku has a spark whether Dooley wants to admit it or not. I like him about 100x more than Neal. I like Neal as well, but Oku has to be getting reps. Shoot, I like Oku better than Poole as well.

I've been supportive of Dooley's efforts, but this is one I'm not a big fan of.

[MizzouRah]

At least Texas lost again.. people think I'm crazy but I think Baylor has a shot at home against OU.

[sterlingice]

At least Texas lost again.. people think I'm crazy but I think Baylor has a shot at home against OU.

They just have a tough gauntlet coming up. It's not super strong, but they will probably be the underdog for 2 of the games (@ Okie St, vs Oklahoma) and the other one isn't really a pushover but they should win (vs Tex A&M)

I would love to see Iowa State beat Nebraska in Ames next week. Who wants to see that Baylor vs Iowa State Big XII title game? How's that for your parting gift, Nebraska ;)

SI

[Logan]

BTW, anyone watching the "Goal Line" preview on ESPN2?

Clear imitation of NFL's Red Zone but not nearly as good. Not impressed at all.

I tuned in for a few minutes here and there. Realized that the Red Zone lure is 99% for fantasy purposes when I ended up seeing a missed 20 yard field goal in the Ball State - Kent State game.

[DeToxRox]

This has been going around on a couple forums but apparently after the Stanford/Washington game last night Harbaugh said:

Harbaugh was telling his guys not to celebrate too much in the locker room after blowing out UW yesterday, because they just beat "the worst-coached team in the PAC10.

[Matthean]

This has been going around on a couple forums but apparently after the Stanford/Washington game last night Harbaugh said:

Harbaugh was telling his guys not to celebrate too much in the locker room after blowing out UW yesterday, because they just beat "the worst-coached team in the PAC10.

It's moments like this that make me hope he does come to Michigan. The Vest vs. The Mouth will be an endless amount of storylines. Needless to say he'll give State fans plenty of ammo as well.

[dawgfan]

This has been going around on a couple forums but apparently after the Stanford/Washington game last night Harbaugh said:

Harbaugh was telling his guys not to celebrate too much in the locker room after blowing out UW yesterday, because they just beat "the worst-coached team in the PAC10.
As much as I love the results Harbaugh gets, he's also a massive douchebag.