Official NFL Offseason / Draft Thread

[Suburban Rhythm]

I don't think one was made yet, only the Andrew Luck thread.

Semi-interesting news in Pittsburgh, Dion Lewis is rumored to be entering the draft.

Pitt's Lewis likely headed to NFL draft (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11006/1116188-142.stm)

Not sure how he's grading out as a 3rd round pick to be honest. Fabulous first year, awful this year. I guess everyone is hoping to find a Ray Rice clone.

[Ksyrup]

There's also the hiring/firing thread. is this one just for player news?

[Matthean]

Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, and Julio Jones all are entering the draft. Dont'a Hightower is staying.

[Logan]

Taken off another board, an up to date list of early entrants:


Jerell Powe, DT, Mississippi
Tyron Smith, OT, USC
Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
Will Hill, S, Florida
Vidal Hazelton, WR, Cincinnati
Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
DeAndre Brown, WR, Southern Mississippi
Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
Shane Vereen, RB, California
Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina
Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana
Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
Brandon Burton, CB, Utah
Jordan Todman, RB, Connecticut
Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami (FL)
Zane Parr, DE, Virginia
Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Darren Evans, RB, Virginia Tech
J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida
Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
Rahim Moore, S, UCLA
Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh
Tom Keiser, LB, Stanford
Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Justin Houston, LB, Georgia
Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia

[Suburban Rhythm]

With his comments made shortly after the regular season game, Jonathan Baldwin is all but gone from Pitt.

Lewis, from the article above, has received his grade, but has not yet filed for the draft yet. But, seems like a done deal too.

[Swaggs]

West Virginia safety Robert Sands sounds like he is turning pro. He had said that he would only go if he was graded as a 1st or 2nd rounder and his report came back as 3rd, but it sounds like an agent got in his ear and convinced him he will be a 2nd rounder.

He is a big kid for a safety (around 6'5 or 6'6) and a good player, but has had lingering injury problems.

[Logan]

If I'm Carolina I call up the Niners and try to see how many 1s and 2s this year's #1 is worth to them...you know, just in case Luck wants to change his mind. You realize you're not gonna get him, might as well try to create value out of a pick that doesn't have as much as it used to in a draft with no clear #2.

[JonInMiddleGA]

A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Justin Houston, LB, Georgia
Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia


I thought maybe I hadn't been paying attention but none of these have formally declared anything as far as I can find. So far, Boykin has flatly denied it & Green has at least denied making a decision.

2011 NFL Draft: A.J. Green, Justin Houston Rumors Heating Up - SB Nation Atlanta (http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2010/12/22/1892150/aj-green-nfl-draft)

[stevew]

Nnamdi Asomugha somehow voided his contract and will hit the open market. Gotta be a relief to get away from the Raiders.

[miami_fan]

Nnamdi Asomugha somehow voided his contract and will hit the open market. Gotta be a relief to get away from the Raiders.

NFLPA document: Nnamdi Asomugha of Oakland Raiders a free agent - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6004943)

Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha's contract voided and he will be allowed to become a free agent without the Oakland Raiders being able to use their franchise tag on him, according to an NFL Players Association document.

Asomugha’s deal included a little-known clause that said his contract would void if he didn’t achieve his not-likely-to-be-earned incentives in 2010 -- and he didn'’t.

His contract also contained a stipulation that if he didn’t achieve his incentives, the Raiders would agree not to designate him their franchise or transition player.

To achieve his incentives, Asomugha had to play in a greater number of defensive plays in 2010 than he did in 2009, and this season Asomugha played in only 14 games whereas he played in all 16 in 2009.

He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season.

He will be the top defensive player available whenever free agency begins.

This is embarrassing on so many levels.

[jeff061]

Kind of hard to give incentives to corners. The elite ones are just not going to see the ball.

[RainMaker]

Why do I feel like he's going to end up on the Redskins?

[miami_fan]

I did not see the Raiders play a great deal this year but some of those incentives make no sense to tie to a player's free agency. You have already explained why interceptions is silly. Sacks? Unless you are blitzing him like a Charles Woodson, that is just dumb. Fumble recoveries? He has ONE fumble recovery in his career.

[Chief Rum]

Plus, who gives contract-voiding incentives to players in the years they are expected to be in their prime? The point of incentives is to get the player to perform better or to protect the team if he doesn't, and is usually used later in contracts when a player is older or where there is a significant injury risk with a player.

This actually works the opposite. Since Asomugha is in his prime, and presuming he may not be entirely thrilled with some aspects of the Raider organization, these incentives become disincentives--ones he might not try to reach on purpose, in order to get out of his contract.

That's just dumb.

[Matthean]

If I'm the Lions I at least make sure I get an interview with him. Even if the Lions can get a decent CB at 1.13, there's a guy sitting there that teams threw at a total of 33 times all year and in his prime. This would also free up their draft a little as well.

[Izulde]

Ryan Mallett declares for the draft. I believe John Clay did too.

[Matthean]

I thought maybe I hadn't been paying attention but none of these have formally declared anything as far as I can find. So far, Boykin has flatly denied it & Green has at least denied making a decision.

2011 NFL Draft: A.J. Green, Justin Houston Rumors Heating Up - SB Nation Atlanta (http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2010/12/22/1892150/aj-green-nfl-draft)

Green declares. Kiper has him at #3 on his big board, IIRC, so it's not really surprising he's going.

[CU Tiger]

Haha Jamie Harper Clemson RB declares after his Junior year.
Thats funny because he couldnt start at Clemson yet he is going pro.

Some team will probably take a flier on him, being 6'0 245 and running a 4.49 with great hands....but it just doesn't translate to the field somehow.

[stevew]

So he couldn't start over a guy that couldn't start on the Bills. :)

[Apathetic Lurker]

Bills starting rb isn't that bad

[bhlloy]

Haha Jamie Harper Clemson RB declares after his Junior year.
Thats funny because he couldnt start at Clemson yet he is going pro.

Some team will probably take a flier on him, being 6'0 245 and running a 4.49 with great hands....but it just doesn't translate to the field somehow.

Sounds like a classic NFL 3rd round pick to me. I think every college fan has a story about a guy who looked like shit his entire college career, put up some decent combine numbers, got drafted in the middle rounds and never was heard of again. I've always wondered what an NFL team would look like if they based their drafts solely on college production - probably something like the Patriots of the last 5-7 years.

[MikeVic]

Nnamdi Asomugha of Oakland Raiders a free agent after contract voids - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6004943)


Pretty good CB available in free agency.

[I. J. Reilly]

Faaawwwwkkk

Looks like Quizz Rodgers is coming out, conference call at 2.

[Mustang]

I believe John Clay did too.

Alot of wear on him. I just stay clear.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Florida CB Janoris Jenkins has said he's staying in school for another year.

Based on what I've read that cuts down the number of "top end" CBs in this draft to two: Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara.

It doesn't look like the Lions are likely to get any top end at that position this year in the draft.

[Matthean]

Florida CB Janoris Jenkins has said he's staying in school for another year.

Based on what I've read that cuts down the number of "top end" CBs in this draft to two: Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara.

It doesn't look like the Lions are likely to get any top end at that position this year in the draft.

Weeding through some mock drafts and I'm glad those aren't the ones picking for the Lions. OL because Stafford needs to be protected? The Lions were around 7th for sacks given up. DE when they still had Jenkins in their mock up, but taken later and DL is a strength.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Weeding through some mock drafts and I'm glad those aren't the ones picking for the Lions. OL because Stafford needs to be protected? The Lions were around 7th for sacks given up. DE when they still had Jenkins in their mock up, but taken later and DL is a strength.

Yeah, the biggest positions of need for the Lions are OLB and DB. They could use some more depth on the OL and DL, but neither is a huge position of need.

[Suburban Rhythm]

3 Pitt players enter. Dion Lewis and Jon Baldwin as expected. FB Henry Hynoski as well. He's probably reading the writing on the wall...if Graham is hired as the new coach as expected, the FB has no place in the offense. He can block, he's pretty big ( about 260) and can catch a little. Most likely a 6th rounder.

[Vince, Pt. II]

If the 49ers make a strong play at Asomugha and somehow fix their QB situation, they could be a force to be reckoned with next season. The team isn't THAT far from being good.

[CU Tiger]

So he couldn't start over a guy that couldn't start on the Bills. :)


No he was 3rd string when Spiller as here.
He was 2nd to Andre Ellington this year.
He showed ou gainst FSU...but largely diappeared the rest of his career.

[stevew]

Does Spiller hold the record for fewest year 1 carries by a top 10 drafted back. Who wasn't hurt or Bo Jackson anyways. The situation in Buffalo is so odd. Spiller couldn't pass block I'm guessing?

[MikeVic]

Don't the Dolphins need a coordinator?
Wannstedt eyes NFL return | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/11/wannstedt-eyes-nfl-return/)

[Logan]

That can't be true. Everything I've heard from Pitt fans is that the stache still loves the school and intends to be a figurehead around there which will still entice recruits to go there.

[Wolfpack]

Panthers hired Ron Rivera, San Diego's DC, as their new head coach. To go along with the 'Stache article posted, it's speculated that Rivera is seeking to bring him aboard as DC. In a twist, the Chargers are thought to be looking into hiring him for the job Rivera just left, as well.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Does Spiller hold the record for fewest year 1 carries by a top 10 drafted back. Who wasn't hurt or Bo Jackson anyways. The situation in Buffalo is so odd. Spiller couldn't pass block I'm guessing?

That and his lack of power between the tackles.... But the coaching staff didnt utilize him the correct way....in space

[albionmoonlight]

If the 49ers make a strong play at Asomugha and somehow fix their QB situation, they could be a force to be reckoned with next season. The team isn't THAT far from being good.

You hate to make the A.J. Feeley mistake. But if I were the Niners, I'd look long and hard and what it would take to get Kolb from the Eagles.

I agree that, with a QB and a new coach, that team is scary.

What's the word on Gore? How's he expected to come back from his injury?

[Eaglesfan27]

Not surprising but Terrell Pryor has already gone back on his promise to come back next year and has declared for the draft:

http://sportales.com/football/terrelle-pryor-announces-he-will-enter-nfl-draft-after-all-2/

Edit: Never mind, not verified yet. But, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does declare.

[terpkristin]

Not a surprise at all. Can the NCAA please f these teams in the rear so that stupid stuff like this doesn't happen? Or at least apply it's rules the same, regardless of conference and associated money.

/tk

[Matthean]

Not surprising but Terrell Pryor has already gone back on his promise to come back next year and has declared for the draft:

Terrelle Pryor Announces He Will Enter NFL Draft After All | Sportales (http://sportales.com/football/terrelle-pryor-announces-he-will-enter-nfl-draft-after-all-2/)

Edit: Never mind, not verified yet. But, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does declare.

Please let this be true.

[whomario]

Isn´t Pryor injured and out for a while after surgery now and won´t that hurt his draft stock quite a bit ?

Also, i might be totally off considering my lack of knowledge but is it that wrong to say that Cam Newton actually looked kind of "reserved"against Oregon ? Didn´t look like he had that strong a desire to run and actually stayed put a few times where i´d thought he could have run.
That should be good for his draft stock, right ?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Please let this be true.

+infinity

[bronconick]

It doesn't make a lot of sense for Pryor to come back. I wouldn't have put it past Tressel to decide 5 games in that he likes the new, less mouthy starting QB anyway and demote Pryor.

[QuikSand]

As interesting Cam Newton is to talk about as an NFL prospect, I think Pryor might be even more intriguing. Not that I'd rate him higher, but I think the opinions about what he might be able to bring to an NFL roster might vary about as wildly as any player I can recall.

I've seen enough of Pryor to think that I don't want him even running my "wildcat" offense in the NFL... but he does have some physical gifts. Without stereotyping needlessly, I'd be really intrigued to see what an NFL team might be able to do with him if they get past the stigma of "investing in him as a QB of the future" stage, and get on to looking at him as an overall asset to the team. I'd be really intrigued to line him up in the slot, or as an H-back on passing situations - I think he could be a tough coverage matchup, a bit like many hoped we'd see from Matt Jones, for instance.

[Ksyrup]

Isn´t Pryor injured and out for a while after surgery now and won´t that hurt his draft stock quite a bit ?

Also, i might be totally off considering my lack of knowledge but is it that wrong to say that Cam Newton actually looked kind of "reserved"against Oregon ? Didn´t look like he had that strong a desire to run and actually stayed put a few times where i´d thought he could have run.
That should be good for his draft stock, right ?

I couldn't tell if Auburn decided not to call many straight Newton running plays based on a game plan where they figured Oregon would try to shut him down, if he was trying to show he could be a pocket passer, if he was trying not to get hurt, or what. I watched several Auburn games this year, and he looked nothing on Monday like he did the rest of the season.

[Lathum]

As interesting Cam Newton is to talk about as an NFL prospect, I think Pryor might be even more intriguing. Not that I'd rate him higher, but I think the opinions about what he might be able to bring to an NFL roster might vary about as wildly as any player I can recall.

I've seen enough of Pryor to think that I don't want him even running my "wildcat" offense in the NFL... but he does have some physical gifts. Without stereotyping needlessly, I'd be really intrigued to see what an NFL team might be able to do with him if they get past the stigma of "investing in him as a QB of the future" stage, and get on to looking at him as an overall asset to the team. I'd be really intrigued to line him up in the slot, or as an H-back on passing situations - I think he could be a tough coverage matchup, a bit like many hoped we'd see from Matt Jones, for instance.

The problem is everything I hear about him indicates he thinks he should be an NFL QB and be the man. His coming out early doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.

[jbergey22]

Was NOT impressed with Newtons accuracy at all Monday night. Newton actually reminds me more of Tebow than Vince Young. I was impressed by Newtons power as a runner.

Prior has a lot of work to do before he could be a NFL QB. His release is very slow and he hasnt had to read a lot of different defensive schemes. I think his best bet is to become a slash/WR player. If I was betting on it I would guess he doesnt do much as a NFL QB.

[Suburban Rhythm]

As much as I hate ESPN, I still like reading/listening to Mort.

Caught this question on a chat today-


J Treehorn (Malibu)


More likely to return to the Saints: Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush?

Chris Mortensen (11:34 AM)

Maybe neither but I'd say Thomas has best chance. If Bush is willing to take a significant pay cut, then you never say never. A betting man would say both are gone.


Remember when Houston made the BIGGESTMISTAKEEVER!!!! passing on Bush for M Williams?

[Matthean]

As much as I hate ESPN, I still like reading/listening to Mort.

Caught this question on a chat today-



Remember when Houston made the BIGGESTMISTAKEEVER!!!! passing on Bush for M Williams?

I also believe there was talk about them taking a QB so they also got knocked on for not taking Young.

[Vince, Pt. II]

You hate to make the A.J. Feeley mistake. But if I were the Niners, I'd look long and hard and what it would take to get Kolb from the Eagles.

I agree that, with a QB and a new coach, that team is scary.

What's the word on Gore? How's he expected to come back from his injury?

I haven't heard anything at all about the injury, but that's probably not something to read into, considering the hoopla surrounding the coaching and GM positions. That being said, he's starting to get old (for an RB) and he's taken quite a beating on the 49ers. Something like the highest percentage of the team's total offense in the last 5 years in the entire league. Not to mention he had the major injury coming out of college. If he can come back healthy, the team picks up a QB somewhere (McNabb? Kolb? Orton? Kitna?) and all of a sudden this offense could be something very interesting.

Basically, the team has three massive holes: QB, DB and Pass Rush. Minor hole at WR (though I think this may be more of an offensive scheme problem - Davis, Crabtree, Walker and Morgan should be good enough), and they're probably one more good O-Lineman away from having a GOOD line. Without Gore, however, the team is severely limited offensively. Neither Dixon nor Westbrook seem to be good enough to be a feature back, so without Gore the team is severely lacking in the run game.

My ideal off-season? One of the top two CB's with #7, draft someone like Mallet or Kaepernick with a lower pick, sign Asomugha and acquire a veteran QB like Kolb to hold the fort while the new young QB learns the ropes.

Cautious optimism has been the name of the game for the last three years or so in Niner land, though. I'd like to see some results sooner rather than later.

[Lathum]

Taking Williams was the catalyst for propelling the Texans into mediocrity. Kudos to them.

[spleen1015]

It all depends on how Houston would have used Bush. I don't think the Saints are using him the same way the Texans would have.

[Ksyrup]

He was destined to not be worth his draft slot either way.

[Crapshoot]

Okay, one side of the story and all, but this sounds incredibly douchy on Steve Spagnalo's part.

Days After Firing, Rams Equipment Manager Sits Down with RFT to Reflect - St. Louis News - Daily RFT (http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2011/01/todd_hewitt_fired_from_rams.php)

[Logan]

Also sounds incredibly douchy for the guy to say he loves the team and every player but will pray for them to lose every game next year.

[jeff061]

Yeah. One side of the story is a bit of an understatement though.

"Since Spagnuolo joined the team at the start of the 2009 season, he and Hewitt never warmed to each other"
"Over their two years together, the relationship between head coach and equipment manager had grown frosty"

The reason for this relationship was summed up with basically "Spagnulo was really mean".

[MrBug708]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a college buddy of Spanuolo's will get the position? It's an equipment manager position for crying out loud.

[jeff061]

Says right in there Spagnulo may have resented Hewitt's relationship with the players. Where the hell does that come from? Wouldn't be surprised if Hewitt was complaining about Spagnulo to the players.

[Ksyrup]

Randall Cobb just announced he's leaving UK. Definitely a good move, regardless where (or if) he gets drafted.

[Bearcat729]

Not sure what this does for Colt McCoy. Will Shurmur want to run a west coast style offense?




Browns name Shurmur head coach

Posted 54 minutes ago

The Browns named Pat Shurmur the 13th full-time head coach in franchise history, the team announced Thursday afternoon.
The Cleveland Browns today named Pat Shurmur as the 13th full-time head coach in franchise history.

Shurmur’s résumé includes 23 years of coaching experience, including 12 in the NFL. In those 12 seasons, he has been a part of teams that have qualified for the playoffs seven times, won five division crowns and posted one Super Bowl appearance.

“It’s an honor and a privilege to join an organization with such a rich history and tradition as the Cleveland Browns,” Shurmur said. “I have the utmost respect for Coach Holmgren and Tom Heckert, and I am impressed with the direction in which they have this franchise going. I have known Tom for most of my pro coaching career, and while we were in Philadelphia, he and I developed an outstanding relationship. I want to thank Mike and Tom, as well as Randy Lerner, for this tremendous opportunity. I also want to thank the St. Louis Rams and Steve Spagnuolo for two terrific seasons and for giving me a chance to be a coordinator at this level. I am looking forward to this challenge and can’t wait to get started in helping to build the Browns back to one of the elite teams in the NFL.”

“I am extremely excited about having Pat Shurmur as the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns,” said Browns President Mike Holmgren. “Pat is a bright, young man who grew up in football and around the coaching profession. I came away from our interview very impressed with him as a person, his extensive knowledge of the game and his track record of success as an assistant coach in this league. Most importantly, I feel as though he possesses the necessary qualities which make him the right man to lead our football team.”

Shurmur spent the past two seasons (2009-10) as the offensive coordinator with the St. Louis Rams. He helped the Rams improve to a 7-9 record following a 1-15 season in 2009, the second-biggest turnaround in the league this past season. In 2010, he guided St. Louis’ offense to improvements in nearly every category including total yards, time of possession and third-down percentage, while they also scored 114 more points than the previous year. In addition, the Rams committed just 21 turnovers in 2010, tied for the ninth-lowest total in the NFL.

He helped shape quarterback Sam Bradford, the top pick in the 2010 draft, as Bradford set NFL rookie records for completions (354) and attempts (590), while his 3,512 passing yards were the second-most by a rookie in league history, trailing only Peyton Manning's 3,739 in 1998. Bradford's 18 touchdown passes tied for fifth-most among rookies in NFL history. During a midseason stretch, he set an NFL rookie record with 174 consecutive attempts without an interception.

Along with starting a rookie quarterback, the team’s second-round pick, Rodger Saffold, was the only NFL rookie to start all 16 games at left tackle in 2010. The Rams allowed just 34 sacks despite attempting the fifth-most passing plays in the NFL this past season, which placed the team 12th in the league in sacks per pass play.

Also under Shurmur, Rams running back Steven Jackson was selected to the NFC Pro Bowl squad both years. Jackson claimed the NFC rushing title in 2009 with 1,416 yards. Jackson’s rushing totals each of the past two seasons (1,241 in 2010) represent two of the three highest rushing figures of his seven-year NFL career.

Prior to joining the Rams, Shurmur spent 10 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles (1999-2008). He served as the team’s quarterbacks coach from 2002-08 and helped Donovan McNabb to three Pro Bowl selections during his tenure. In 2008, McNabb set Eagles single-season records with 345 completions and 3,916 passing yards.

In 2004, Shurmur guided McNabb to the most productive season of his career, as he set franchise records in passer rating (104.7) and completion percentage (64.0). McNabb also became the first quarterback in NFL history with 30-plus touchdown passes (31) and fewer than 10 interceptions (8) in a single season.

During his first season as quarterbacks coach, Shurmur turned to third-string quarterback A.J. Feeley after injuries to McNabb and Koy Detmer. Despite not having started a game in three years, since his junior season at Oregon, Feeley helped the Eagles post a 4-1 record, as they won the NFC East and advanced to the NFC title game. Shurmur faced another quarterback injury in 2006 and turned to backup Jeff Garcia, who helped the club to a 5-1 record and led Philadelphia into the Divisional round of the playoffs.

Shurmur’s first three seasons in Philadelphia (1999-2001) were spent as tight ends coach, where he developed three-time Pro Bowler Chad Lewis. From 2000-01, Lewis combined for 110 receptions, 1,157 receiving yards and nine touchdowns. His reception total ranked fourth among all NFL tight ends during that two-year span, while he was tied for fourth in touchdowns and fifth in receiving yards.

Before joining the Eagles, Shurmur spent the 1998 season at Stanford University as offensive line coach. That year, the Cardinal offensive line allowed the fewest sacks per pass attempt in the Pac-10 and helped first-year quarterback Todd Husak become only the third quarterback in school history to throw for more 3,000 yards.

Prior to Stanford, Shurmur instructed the tight ends, special teams and offensive line at Michigan State University from 1990-97. The Spartans sent three tight ends (Ty Hallock, Duane Young and Mitch Lyons) to the NFL under Shurmur’s guidance, and kick returner Derrick Mason set a school career record with 2,575 return yards.

A four-year letterman at Michigan State, Shurmur earned All-Big Ten conference honors and All-America honorable mention accolades in 1987. He played guard and linebacker as a freshman and started at center the next three seasons. He served as co-captain as a senior when the Spartans defeated USC in the Rose Bowl. He earned a master’s degree in financial administration and was the first graduate student football player at the University.

A native of Dearborn, Mich., who attended Divine Child High School, Shurmur comes from a football background. His uncle, the late Fritz Shurmur, coached in the NFL for 24 years and served as the Green Bay Packers’ defensive coordinator from 1994-98 and helped that club win two NFC Championships and Super Bowl XXXI.

Born April 14, 1965, Pat and his wife, Jennifer, have four children, daughters Allyson, Erica and Claire, and a son, Kyle.

Pat Shurmur Coaching Background:

1988-89 Michigan State University, graduate assistant coach

1990-97 Michigan State University, tight ends/special teams/offensive line coach

1998 Stanford University, offensive line coach

1999-2001 Philadelphia Eagles, tight ends/offensive line coach

2002-08 Philadelphia Eagles, quarterbacks coach

2009-10 St. Louis Rams, offensive coordinator

2011 Cleveland Browns, head coach

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Cam Newton going pro. Cincinnati maybe thinking QB. I think Akili II would be hilarious!

[Matthean]

Cam Newton going pro. Cincinnati maybe thinking QB. I think Akili II would be hilarious!

It would be rather high considering his ranking in the teens and 20s as a prospect. Vikings would be the last team I think in the first round who would give him a look. After that, I think he's a 2nd rounder. Before #13, there's just too many teams needing a QB for me to think he slips into the 2nd.

[JPhillips]

Cam Newton going pro. Cincinnati maybe thinking QB. I think Akili II would be hilarious!

No way Cincy takes a QB in round one. They are keeping Palmer and Brown won't pay two top money QBs.

[Swaggs]

I'm having trouble finding a team for Newton in the first round unless he really throws well during the combine/workouts.

[Matthean]

I'm having trouble finding a team for Newton in the first round unless he really throws well during the combine/workouts.

Vikings due to their desperate need for a starter. The only thing they have now are people who have proven they are back ups at best. Oh, and it's the Vikings so considering their draft history, I figure they are a solid option for pulling off something that's news worthy.

Washington. They have the vet QBs in place to groom him. Shanahan is there as a mentor. He's also coached McNabb and Elway so he was no issue dealing with athletic QBs and he even traded to get McNabb.

Teams before that are looking at the other QBs, or holding off for the chance at Luck next year.

[wade moore]

Vikings due to their desperate need for a starter. The only thing they have now are people who have proven they are back ups at best. Oh, and it's the Vikings so considering their draft history, I figure they are a solid option for pulling off something that's news worthy.

Washington. They have the vet QBs in place to groom him. Shanahan is there as a mentor. He's also coached McNabb and Elway so he was no issue dealing with athletic QBs and he even traded to get McNabb.

Teams before that are looking at the other QBs, or holding off for the chance at Luck next year.

I find it unlikely that the Redskins use 1.10 to take Newton. Maybe if they trade down, but otherwise...

[molson]

I could see Newton sitting on the bench for a year or two, which would open up a lot of possibilities in the first round.

[Lathum]

I could see Seattle taking him late in the first round and sitting him behind Hasselback. The Whitehurst situation IMO is a distraction.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I find it unlikely that the Redskins use 1.10 to take Newton. Maybe if they trade down, but otherwise...

Why not? Assuming McNabb is traded, as most think, isn't QB priority one for the Redskins?

[MikeVic]

Why not? Assuming McNabb is traded, as most think, isn't QB priority one for the Redskins?

They have Sexy Rexy, geez.

[wade moore]

Why not? Assuming McNabb is traded, as most think, isn't QB priority one for the Redskins?

Yes, I just don't think they'll go for Newton after being burned on Campbell and McNabb.

I think they'll want to eye a more pure pocket-passer.

Admittedly, I don't know who that is in this class, I'm just sayin'.

[Passacaglia]

I could see Newton sitting on the bench for a year or two, which would open up a lot of possibilities in the first round.

This seems right, which to me points to a late first-rounder by a team who can afford to blow a 1st round pick on a project.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

It's obviously early, and mock drafts sites aren't experts, but most have Newton going between 8 and 12.

[Matthean]

Fairley is going pro. So 24 seniors and their two best players are gone next year.

[flounder]

Fairley is going pro. So 24 seniors and their two best players are gone next year.

Don't worry. There are plenty of churches out there that need repairs.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I heard some guy retired. Even filed papers with the league. So it's got to be real this time. Right?

[jbergey22]

I heard some guy retired. Even filed papers with the league. So it's got to be real this time. Right?

Yeah, hes done. His streak is over, he must realize he isnt invincible anymore, and Im not sure what team is going to take him on anymore. He should have let his last game be the NFC Championship game loss so he didnt have to go through last year. Im thinking he regrets coming back for that final season.

[Matthean]

Yeah, hes done. His streak is over, he must realize he isnt invincible anymore, and Im not sure what team is going to take him on anymore. He should have let his last game be the NFC Championship game loss so he didnt have to go through last year. Im thinking he regrets coming back for that final season.

Once Father Times catches up to you, he doesn't let go. Even at 38, I'm amazed he even made it that far. I can't image being two years older and doing what he did last year, as in before this last one.

[Swaggs]

Mark Bulger will be a free agent (unless Baltimore re-ups).

I'd like to see him get a shot in San Francisco or Minnesota. With a year to get healthy, I think he can still be a solid starter and he would be a nice stopgap starter for a team that is otherwise ready to go.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Laurence Maroney arrested while possessing gun, drugs - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/18/laurence-maroney-arrested.ap/index.html)


Denver Broncos running back Laurence Maroney has been arrested in St. Louis on drugs and weapons allegations. His publicist said Tuesday that he did nothing wrong.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

mcdaniels takes stl oc gig. singletary takes vikings lb coach.

[Logan]

Who wants to draft him?

I'll give a cautionary NSFW.

THE HAPPY FOOTBALL LIFE OF WILL HILL - Every Day Should Be Saturday (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-football-life-of-will-hill)

[Swaggs]

Senior Bowl is on NFL Network right now.

Hankerson, the WR out of Miami, looks pretty good.

[Lathum]

Who wants to draft him?

I'll give a cautionary NSFW.

THE HAPPY FOOTBALL LIFE OF WILL HILL - Every Day Should Be Saturday (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-football-life-of-will-hill)

This isn't getting enough love, good stuff.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Who wants to draft him?

I'll give a cautionary NSFW.

THE HAPPY FOOTBALL LIFE OF WILL HILL - Every Day Should Be Saturday (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-football-life-of-will-hill)

Yes, I do believe that NSFW would apply.

It's a job hazard based on the laughter quotient alone ;)

[Young Drachma]

Did anyone tell the AFC there was a game today? 42-7 in the 2nd quarter.

[jbergey22]

Did anyone tell the AFC there was a game today? 42-7 in the 2nd quarter.

They probably care about as much as most of us;)

[JPhillips]

First I heard there was a game today.

[Young Drachma]

True enough. Back to FM10 and SimCity for me.

[miami_fan]

Philadelphia Eagles' Michael Vick gets key to city in Dallas ceremony - ESPN Dallas (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6099411)


I don't even know where to go with this one. This just seems so bizarre on so many levels.

[Swaggs]

Biggest Offseason Wish For the Steelers: Stay out of the news!

It bums me out to think about what the Steelers would have looked like with Santonio Holmes on the team this season

[Suburban Rhythm]

Putting this here, although could go in the Super Bowl thread. It kind of made me laugh.

Charles Woodson feeling no pain as Packers win Super Bowl XLV - Peter King - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/02/07/super/3.html)


"I told y'all Packers would exploit that secondary!! But don't listen to me though, I only played the Steelers 3x this season.''
--@DonteStallworth (http://twitter.com/DonteStallworth), Ravens receiver Donte' Stallworth, after Aaron Rodgers made the score 21-3 when he threw his second touchdown pass of the first half and was abusing the Steelers secondary.


Week 4, Baltimore @ Pittsburgh. Donte Stallworth, 0 catches.
Week 13, Pittsburgh @ Baltimore, Donte Stallworth 1 catch, 67 yards
Divisional Rd Baltimore @ Pittsburgh, Donte Stallworth 0 catches

Not to say he wasn't correct, most people knew the weakness of the defense was the secondary.

But hard to listen to the guy with 1 catch in those 3X. If it was that obvious, he should have told John Harbaugh.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Dola

Take this as you will-

Pittsburgh sports radio had on Isaac Redman, backup RB, talking about the SB and looking towards next year.

He said after the player met with Charlie Batch, the team union rep, that it's "100% happening" when refering to the lockout.

Asked to clarify, he said "from what we are being told, it's going to happen"

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

He said after the player met with Charlie Batch, the team union rep, that it's "100% happening" when refering to the lockout.

Asked to clarify, he said "from what we are being told, it's going to happen"
and the nfl's already in full court press with its 'new season starts now' draft ads. i've already seen a bunch on the sites i visited today.

111 million people- most watched sb in history and they want 2 more games? the owners are gonna have a hard time crying poverty.

[albionmoonlight]

Dola

Take this as you will-

Pittsburgh sports radio had on Isaac Redman, backup RB, talking about the SB and looking towards next year.

He said after the player met with Charlie Batch, the team union rep, that it's "100% happening" when refering to the lockout.

Asked to clarify, he said "from what we are being told, it's going to happen"

The thing is, both sides have to present the "We are totally prepared for an extended lockout" face in order to look strong at the negotiating table.

So, in that regard, I see this as par for the course.

That said, deadlines (real, not fake) motivate deals. So I don't see anything happening until we reach a point where regular season games would have to be scrapped.

[Qwikshot]

Does that mean John Madden 2011 will have a giant lock on the front?

[Qwikshot]

Philadelphia Eagles' Michael Vick gets key to city in Dallas ceremony - ESPN Dallas (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6099411)


I don't even know where to go with this one. This just seems so bizarre on so many levels.

Is that why it's been snowing in Dallas? Can they make snowballs down there now?

[Lathum]

ESPN just reported there are no talks scheduled between the NFLPA and the Owners. How is that possible given the labor situation?

[Apathetic Lurker]

ESPN just reported there are no talks scheduled between the NFLPA and the Owners. How is that possible given the labor situation?


Both groups of millionaires are playing at having their versions of temper tantrums...

I can spend my money elsewhere

[RainMaker]

ESPN just reported there are no talks scheduled between the NFLPA and the Owners. How is that possible given the labor situation?
Par for the course in labor negotiations. Nothing was going to happen till the deadline gets closer.

[RedKingGold]

Par for the course in labor negotiations. Nothing was going to happen till the deadline gets closer.

This.

Watching all the talking heads wringing their hands is quite funny. Both sides know what it'll take to get a deal done and both are just waiting it out to get the best deal they possibly can.

[bulletsponge]

the talking heads and ESPN are desperately trying to push Cam newton up the draft boards. i wouldnt be suprised to see him go #1 overall

[DaddyTorgo]

the talking heads and ESPN are desperately trying to push Cam newton up the draft boards. i wouldnt be suprised to see him go #1 overall

Ever since reading those articles about Mel Kiper (and I assume McShay by association), I have such zero-respect for the talking head draftniks. They have zero impartiality.

I was never under the impression they were totally impartial, but they're so tainted in my mind that I could really give a shit what they have to say - it's all hot air anyways, none of it matters anymore than who you or I or anybody else thinks their team should draft.

[Suburban Rhythm]

the talking heads and ESPN are desperately trying to push Cam newton up the draft boards. i wouldnt be suprised to see him go #1 overall

Ever since reading those articles about Mel Kiper (and I assume McShay by association), I have such zero-respect for the talking head draftniks. They have zero impartiality.

I was never under the impression they were totally impartial, but they're so tainted in my mind that I could really give a shit what they have to say - it's all hot air anyways, none of it matters anymore than who you or I or anybody else thinks their team should draft.

Yeah, any teams who believe enough of what Kiper says to bump Newton (or whoever) that far up their boards deserve everything they get.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm sure the teams don't really buy into it, but even as a fan I just find it so insufferable now. Because whatever sense of maybe being impartial they have is just totally gone - you know that Kiper is just boosting guys up the draft boards so that they'll talk to him and give him access to improve the $$ that ESPN is paying him.

And I'm sure he boosts guys for other reasons, for legit on-field reasons, but now that the veil is off you can't trust anything that he says, so you just have to throw it all out.

I actively refuse to watch the two of them. I think McShay is maybe a little more impartial than Kiper, but I can't be sure, so I just tune them both out entirely.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I'm sure the teams don't really buy into it, but even as a fan I just find it so insufferable now. Because whatever sense of maybe being impartial they have is just totally gone - you know that Kiper is just boosting guys up the draft boards so that they'll talk to him and give him access to improve the $$ that ESPN is paying him.

And I'm sure he boosts guys for other reasons, for legit on-field reasons, but now that the veil is off you can't trust anything that he says, so you just have to throw it all out.

I actively refuse to watch the two of them. I think McShay is maybe a little more impartial than Kiper, but I can't be sure, so I just tune them both out entirely.

I could be wrong on this, but I get the impression McShay and Kiper don't like each other.

McShay is part of Scouts, Inc. Prior to that, Kiper was king. I can't tell if it's more a gentle ribbing when they disagree with picks, or more hatred and they are gritting their teeth on camera.

[DaddyTorgo]

Oh I think McShay and Kiper actively don't like each other.

Yet the funny thing is that by both existing they increase the amount of conversation and raise both of their profiles. LOL

[bulletsponge]

I'm sure the teams don't really buy into it, but even as a fan I just find it so insufferable now. Because whatever sense of maybe being impartial they have is just totally gone - you know that Kiper is just boosting guys up the draft boards so that they'll talk to him and give him access to improve the $$ that ESPN is paying him.

And I'm sure he boosts guys for other reasons, for legit on-field reasons, but now that the veil is off you can't trust anything that he says, so you just have to throw it all out.

I actively refuse to watch the two of them. I think McShay is maybe a little more impartial than Kiper, but I can't be sure, so I just tune them both out entirely.


thats not the point. the point is to raise thier value in the eyes of the fanbases, thus increasing the likelyhood the owners will push for his team to take said overrated QB. and its not just Cam newton. every year theres a few QB who ESPN and other others overhype . owners love $$, and a "franchise" QB they can sell to thier fanbase means a ton of money in extra ticket sales and merchandise

[DaddyTorgo]

But they wouldn't do that if there wasn't something in it for them (Kiper & McShay I mean)

[Raiders Army]

Nnamdi Asomugha re-signs with the Raiders. Mark it.

Rod Woodson is the key.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Colts release Bob Sanders

[MrBug708]

Colts release Bob Sanders

He'll probably miss some days in FA

[Logan]

LOL.

Routt's 3-year deal worth whopping $31.5M - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41762092/ns/sports-player_news/)

Stanford Routt's three-year deal is worth $31.5 million, including $20 million over the first two years.

You read that correctly. No team in the league values Routt as highly as the Raiders. They managed to drastically overpay even though they were essentially bidding against themselves. Routt is a versatile corner sporting an impressive catch rate last season, but it's laughable to hand him two-thirds of Nnamdi Asomugha's salary.

Another quote from earlier on:

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that the Raiders have reached an extension with free agent CB Stanford Routt.

A longtime Al Davis favorite because of his 4.3 wheels, Routt was a priority with the Raiders set to lose Nnamdi Asomugha to free agency. Turning 28 this July, Routt was overpaid at just over $3M last season, so the Raiders wouldn't be smart to exceed that number on an annual basis. They almost certainly will, though. Routt has two interceptions in his last 47 games (20 starts).

[jeff061]

4.3 wheels? Worth it.

[Doug5984]

10 mil a year for that guy? wow.

[JPhillips]

Makes sense. With the new CBA coming Al Davis has to ensure that he overspends while he still has the opportunity.

[Raiders Army]

Overspending is all relative:

While Asomugha was targeted on just 33 pass attempts this season, allowing 13 completions for 205 yards and no touchdowns, Routt was targeted 99 times. The completion percentage against him was the lowest in the league of any player targeted at least 60 times and was comparable to the numbers put up by the more heralded Asomugha (39.4 percent) and Darrelle Revis (33.9 percent).
Oakland Raiders tag Kamerion Wimbley; source says Stanford Routt to stay - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6154940)

[SteveMax58]

LOL.

Routt's 3-year deal worth whopping $31.5M - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41762092/ns/sports-player_news/)



Another quote from earlier on:

I generally consider myself a pretty avid follower of the NFL. I'd say in a room of 50 random guys...I probably tend to know more about the NFL than say...47 of them.

That said...I_HAVE_NO_IDEA_WHO_THAT_F'N_GUY_IS!!! Wow.

[Matthean]

Dallas Cowboys to interview Heisman winner Cam Newton at NFL scouting combine - ESPN Dallas (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6155981)

So absurd, I hope it pans out to be true. Anything that bumps one of the better CBs in the draft further down for the Lions I'm all for.

[RainMaker]

So the Bears extend Lovie for 2 more years. Not sure what I think about it. Still don't think he's a great coach, but he's competent and has gotten some decent results.

Would not mind seeing Angelo shown the door soon though.

[rjolley]

While I don't think Lovie is the best coach, I don't get the desire to run him out of town either. He helped engineer a run to the NFC Championship this year with a team that should've been 8-8 and made it to the Super Bowl, though playing Grossman wasn't the best idea.

Overall, he's done a solid job with an aging defense and a terrible offensive line. I think he's earned at least a couple of seasons to see if he can get the line in shape and replace the aging parts of the defense with effective pieces.

[RedKingGold]

So the Bears extend Lovie for 2 more years. Not sure what I think about it. Still don't think he's a great coach, but he's competent and has gotten some decent results.

Would not mind seeing Angelo shown the door soon though.

Looks like the buyout is reasonable should the Bears tank in 2011.

[Logan]

As people may have heard, the Jets cut Vernon Gholston yesterday, the #6 overall pick in the 2008 draft. According to Schefter, he had a $9 million escalator clause once he recorded a single sack, forced fumble, or fumble recovery. It went unearned.

[Passacaglia]

Bears cut Tommie Harris, Hunter Hillenmeyer, and someone else who I forget.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

As people may have heard, the Jets cut Vernon Gholston yesterday, the #6 overall pick in the 2008 draft. According to Schefter, he had a $9 million escalator clause once he recorded a single sack, forced fumble, or fumble recovery. It went unearned.

I think the full story on this is that it was inserted before last season because the team KNEW that he was going to get cut after the season ended. They added it as a way to help Vernon save a little face, as in he was cut for cost reasons instead of for general ineptitude.

Face went unsaved.

[DrAFTjunkie]

I think the full story on this is that it was inserted before last season because the team KNEW that he was going to get cut after the season ended. They added it as a way to help Vernon save a little face, as in he was cut for cost reasons instead of for general ineptitude.

Face went unsaved.

Great combines, mediocre bars, very overrated in interview and high volatility? I usually stay away from guys like that at 1.6

[Suburban Rhythm]

Tiki Barber plans to unretire, play in 2011 - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/03/08/tiki-barber-unretires/index.html?eref=sihp)

[Swaggs]

Tiki Barber plans to unretire, play in 2011 - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/03/08/tiki-barber-unretires/index.html?eref=sihp)

I bet he is coming back for the love of the game and not, at all, because he is flirting with bankruptcy! :)

[Julio Riddols]

Ricky Stanzi the top QB prospect?

I almost agree after reading this:

NFL Draft Picks 2011 - Ricky Stanzi the Best QB in the 2011 NFL Draft? - Fantasy Football 2011 (http://www.fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/NFL-Draft_2011_Stanzi_2-23-2011.htm)

[bulletsponge]

can he really get more $$ as a 35 yo rb than a talking head analyst?

[molson]

can he really get more $$ as a 35 yo rb than a talking head analyst?

He didn’t make it as a talking head analyst. He was fired from the Sunday night football job, I’m not isure if he’s even worked regularly in that role anywhere since.

[QuikSand]

Tiki Barber plans to unretire, play in 2011 - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/03/08/tiki-barber-unretires/index.html?eref=sihp)

I keep looking for the Sidd Finch style clues... some sort of mardi gras prank, right?

[Young Drachma]

I missed the stories last year apparently about him having cheated on his pregnant wife with an NBC intern and getting fired for it. I guess it's the only thing he has left that he can do to really make any money, figuring the vets minimum is better than nothing.

But will anyone really want him outside of New York? UFL?

[Swaggs]

Am I remembering incorrectly, or did he get in trouble for getting caught on air saying something inappropriate to a female co-host during the olympics or another program?

That is what I thought ended his broadcasting career, but wikipedia has no mention of it.

[stevew]

the total medal cunt thingy?

[Ksyrup]

I missed the stories last year apparently about him having cheated on his pregnant wife with an NBC intern and getting fired for it. I guess it's the only thing he has left that he can do to really make any money, figuring the vets minimum is better than nothing.

But will anyone really want him outside of New York? UFL?

Has anyone's early retirement/second career plans so thoroughly derailed as quickly as Tiki's? Wow.

He was no Barry Sanders on the field, and he's certainly no Barry off it, either.

[JPhillips]

I missed the stories last year apparently about him having cheated on his pregnant wife with an NBC intern and getting fired for it. I guess it's the only thing he has left that he can do to really make any money, figuring the vets minimum is better than nothing.

But will anyone really want him outside of New York? UFL?

She wasn't an intern. I've met both her and Tiki as she is a former student of colleagues.

[Swaggs]

the total medal cunt thingy?

That may be it?

I'm not sure I ever saw any footage, but I feel like I read about it afterward. I'll have to dig around and see if I find anything.

[Swaggs]

I did read that the pregnant wife, that he left, ended up having twins.