Any good men left?

[Galaxy]

Where Have the Good Men Gone? - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448.html)

[jeff061]

Lesbian needs to get out of closet.

[Radii]

If I'd written a sweeping generalization piece right after i got divorced and was at my worst, it would have been entitled "Why are all women lying bitches?" I wonder if the Wall Street Journal would have posted that? This doesn't seem a whole lot different does it?


Also, it sounds like there's no discrimination against women anymore according to this lady. they're smarter and make more because all us guys are so damn juvenile. I don't wanna hear any more shit from you women about a glass ceiling anymore, its us guys getting the shaft now!

[JonInMiddleGA]

In fairness, they also printed what looks like a companion piece
Two Cheers for the Maligned Slacker Dude - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704546704576150771426707108.html?mod=WSJ_article_related)

[Galaxy]

Lesbian needs to get out of closet.

Looked her up. 3 kids and a husband.

[SteveMax58]

Looked her up. 3 kids and a husband.

She must have a walk-in.

[SteveMax58]

I think Mike Gundy had the most profound thoughts on the subject.

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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjF93E4LjlA&feature=player_detailpage)

[jeff061]

Must really suck to be married to a closeted lesbian that rants about men on the internet :(.

[Noop]

Any good women left?

[RainMaker]

Boohoo! Men won't fit into the narrow stereotype movies taught me they would when I grew up. Shame on men for being independent and enjoying their life.

[fantom1979]

Most women I know are Target obsessed and still love going to clubs and bars on the weekends. In my opinion, both sexes have this "pre-adulthood", not just men.

I guess we could go back to the days where I knock some girl up in high school and marry her. Those were the good days.

[Noop]

Most women I know are Target obsessed and still love going to clubs and bars on the weekends. In my opinion, both sexes have this "pre-adulthood", not just men.

I guess we could go back to the days where I knock some girl up in high school and marry her. Those were the good days.

+1

[ISiddiqui]

To be honest, she has a point. I know too many 20somethings who are basically big kids.

[flounder]

I think Mike Gundy had the most profound thoughts on the subject.


That's why I don't read the newspaper. Because it's garbage.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Boohoo! Men won't fit into the narrow stereotype movies taught me they would when I grew up. Shame on men for being independent and enjoying their life.

+1

Typically the women who complain that men shouldn't expect them, or women in general, to act like women in porn, are the same who expect to sleep in every weekend, have rose petals on the stairs, and whatever other goofy shit they learn in "their" movies.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

if your cunt-meter doesn't peg to 12 when you look at that bitch's picture there's something wrong with you. i could just quote tyler durden but-

at 34, there is nothing about the 'american dream' that entices me. the whole wife-kids-suburbs-upstanding citizen act is a trap. i've seen enough long faces of the men in that position to know it.

life is about passion. it's about what gets you out of bed in the morning and what you dream about at night. everything else just gets in the way.

if it's your kids, great. if it's your band, super. if it's video games, knock yourself out.

what it's not is a nagging cunt that wants you to forget your passion and your dreams and be a 'real man'

a soulless, vapid, wife doting shell of a man.

[lungs]

The saying about my family is that none of the men ever make anything of themselves until they are 30 and I'm no exception (28 but on my way). Everybody is different. Some men are well ready to settle down at 20 and are content to lead their lives from there while some others are never content to do that.

Now on the other hand, men like myself that choose not to settle down into a traditional American family role while in their twenties should also have a responsibility not to go around having children that we are not willing to raise and nurture. And sending a child support check every week does not qualify as raise and nurture though it's better than some do.

[tarcone]

I was 31 and my wife was 24 when we married. Works for both of us. I got to play for a decade. She didnt know me or any of the stupid stuff I did. And I got to marry a women 7 years younger. Double bonus. :)

[mckerney]

<i>What Mr. Klausner means by <b>"chicks"</b> is <b>females</b> who are not <b>girls</b> or <b>women</b> but something in between. "<b>Chicks</b> talk about <b>'High School Musical'</b> like it's not a movie made for people half their age; a <b>chick's</b> idea of a perfect night is a hang around the <b>television watching 'The Bachelor'</b> with <b>her old dance team</b>, or a <b>night out clubbing with her</b> college friends.</i>

Oooh, MadLibs are fun!

<b>tl;dr</b> plenty of twenty something women are just as immature as 'guys.'

[sterlingice]

I'm a bit offended by the term pre-adults. Then again, I also thought it was silly that we considered 18 year olds adults for some purposes and pretty much by 21 had reached it for all.

But, uh, the bigger question: why the hell is the Wall Street Journal doing this story? This is more the type of story I expect to see as a Time magazine cover piece sandwiched between the issue on "Why are our kids fat?" and "Cell phones: Horrible threat or Useful time saver". Tho, considering how poorly written it is- it's not even good enough for them. But I do recognize the style of "a few vague statistics badly linked together with no scientific rigor to say what you want them to because it makes a compelling narrative to whoever you want to sell stuff to this week".

SI

[terpkristin]

Didn't read the article, but I gotta say, not having found my "one" in college, I find it really hard to find guys that I have enough in common with to think we'd date.

I realize that I'm going to have to get on match or something, but until I feel better physically, the last thing I want to do is date.

/tk

[Suburban Rhythm]

<b>tl;dr</b> plenty of twenty something women are just as immature as 'guys.'

Two words: twilight moms

[DanGarion]

I was 31 and my wife was 24 when we married. Works for both of us. I got to play for a decade. She didnt know me or any of the stupid stuff I did. And I got to marry a women 7 years younger. Double bonus. :)

Hi Five for us studs that marry younger women!

*hifive*

[tarcone]

*hifive*

[RainMaker]

I was 31 and my wife was 24 when we married. Works for both of us. I got to play for a decade. She didnt know me or any of the stupid stuff I did. And I got to marry a women 7 years younger. Double bonus. :)
Did you have any issues with the age gap? I'm actually 31 right now and dating someone who is 24. It's not serious, but I wonder if it did if there would be some obstacles. I know it's not a huge gap, but I sort of feel weird sometimes about it. Or is this pretty well accepted everywhere.

[Galaxy]

I'm a bit offended by the term pre-adults. Then again, I also thought it was silly that we considered 18 year olds adults for some purposes and pretty much by 21 had reached it for all.

But, uh, the bigger question: why the hell is the Wall Street Journal doing this story? This is more the type of story I expect to see as a Time magazine cover piece sandwiched between the issue on "Why are our kids fat?" and "Cell phones: Horrible threat or Useful time saver". Tho, considering how poorly written it is- it's not even good enough for them. But I do recognize the style of "a few vague statistics badly linked together with no scientific rigor to say what you want them to because it makes a compelling narrative to whoever you want to sell stuff to this week".

SI

Wall Street Journal has really gotten into these stories since Murdock bought it.

[Galaxy]

Didn't read the article, but I gotta say, not having found my "one" in college, I find it really hard to find guys that I have enough in common with to think we'd date.

I realize that I'm going to have to get on match or something, but until I feel better physically, the last thing I want to do is date.

/tk

Match is still a tough minefield.

[terpkristin]

Match is still a tough minefield.

Oh, I am completely not looking forward to it. But truthfully, I'm not finding anybody in any other aspects of my life and dammit, I'm tired of being single.

/tk

[digamma]

But, uh, the bigger question: why the hell is the Wall Street Journal doing this story? This is more the type of story I expect to see as a Time magazine cover piece sandwiched between the issue on "Why are our kids fat?" and "Cell phones: Horrible threat or Useful time saver". Tho, considering how poorly written it is- it's not even good enough for them. But I do recognize the style of "a few vague statistics badly linked together with no scientific rigor to say what you want them to because it makes a compelling narrative to whoever you want to sell stuff to this week".

SI

To be fair, this was in the WSJ Weekend edition, which is a much lighter format than the standard weekday journal. (I can't comment on the writing as I didn't read the piece.)

[sabotai]

I hope to stay a pre-adult forever. Fuck being an adult. Being an adult is no fun. I'll keep doing what I want, not get married* and save the half million it costs to raise each child (or however much it costs to raise a kid from 0-18).


(*I can see myself getting married, but only to someone that has the same outlook on life as I do (read: No Kids!!!!))

[Sgran]

the article wasn't as bad as I expected. If she had left out the condescending eye-rolling then it would have worked better. May have even been the editor.

[tarcone]

Did you have any issues with the age gap? I'm actually 31 right now and dating someone who is 24. It's not serious, but I wonder if it did if there would be some obstacles. I know it's not a huge gap, but I sort of feel weird sometimes about it. Or is this pretty well accepted everywhere.

No issues. And its accepted. At this age, the gap isnt that big. It was a great decision by me for sure.

[Shepp]

Most women I know are Target obsessed and still love going to clubs and bars on the weekends. In my opinion, both sexes have this "pre-adulthood", not just men.

Back when I was in my 20's a lot of the women I met fell into this category. When I did meet one that seemed to have potential she was either psychologically broken or was holding out for a sugar daddy and didn't want anything to with my non-six figure salary makin self.

[jeff061]

I'm holding out for the psychologically broken but hot woman. That should be a good match.

[DanGarion]

Did you have any issues with the age gap? I'm actually 31 right now and dating someone who is 24. It's not serious, but I wonder if it did if there would be some obstacles. I know it's not a huge gap, but I sort of feel weird sometimes about it. Or is this pretty well accepted everywhere.

The biggest issues I ever run into are the times I mention a show or movie and she looks at me like I'm crazy, there is a little gap in pop culture. Other than that we haven't really had any issues.

[Galaxy]

Another thought from the Huffington Post:

Tracy McMillan: Why You're Not Married (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html)

[Shepp]

I'm holding out for the psychologically broken but hot woman. That should be a good match.

The two usually go hand in hand. It seemed that over time their level of crazy went up or my ability to deal with it went down I don't know which.

[Drake]

Another thought from the Huffington Post:

Tracy McMillan: Why You're Not Married (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html)

Heh. That's a serious, not-so-subtle man-hating article. (I need to find a way to use more hyphens in that sentence. Please PM me with suggestions.)

Female anger terrifies men. I know it seems unfair that you have to work around a man's fear and insecurity in order to get married -- but actually, it's perfect, since working around a man's fear and insecurity is big part of what you'll be doing as a wife.

Someone should tell women that we're not really afraid of their anger. We don't like their anger because when they get angry, we don't really want to fuck them. They're ugly when they're angry. And if we don't want to fuck them, what the hell good are they?

I mean, unless they're making sandwiches. You can be angry and make sandwiches, and then I've got a goddamned use for you. But too many angry women won't make sandwiches. Like they're above it or something. When men get angry, they tell us to go for a run, hit the heavy bag, do something constructive. Work it off, boy. Which we do. So when women get angry, instead of bitching and griping, get in the kitchen and make a goddamned sandwich. That's all I'm saying. It'll be good for you.

Misdirected anger is the big problem with women, imho. Aimless bitching when they could be making sandwiches is an inefficient use of energy.

You know why women are miserable in their relationships? Because they read shit like this that attempts to infantilize men or treat us like something to be "managed" rather than respected as discrete human beings with our own wants, needs and desires in a relationship.

[cthomer5000]

I can't think of more than a handful of people whose company I actually enjoy. Regardless of sex.

[Butter]

But, uh, the bigger question: why the hell is the Wall Street Journal doing this story? This is more the type of story I expect to see as a Time magazine cover piece sandwiched between the issue on "Why are our kids fat?" and "Cell phones: Horrible threat or Useful time saver".

Trampolines. Child's plaything? Or EXTREMELY vicious backyard killer? You decide. Here's Melissa Tompkin.

[cuervo72]

And if we don't want to fuck them, what the hell good are they?

Yeah, well, vice-versa ain't no party either.

[Autumn]

I'm holding out for the psychologically broken but hot woman. That should be a good match.

http://www.thecrazygf.com/FCKeditor/image/tst2/Crazy%20Hot%20Scale.jpg

[Sgran]

One sleepless night with a crazy bitch is manageable. I guarantee that by the second you are readdressing your priorities.

[JediKooter]

The only certain thing about women is the uncertainty.

[Rizon]

Another thought from the Huffington Post:

Tracy McMillan: Why You're Not Married (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html)

She pretty much nailed it.

It would be nice to send this to some of my wife's friends, whose lives seem to revolve around the next party. They always bitch about how they want to settle down but can't find the right man, though next thing you know they're at the club hanging all over some douchebag (who ends up never calling her back). And they can't figure it out.

[Drake]

(It's because they don't make sandwiches.)

[Rizon]

(It's because they don't make sandwiches.)

EXACTLY.

If they'd spend a little more time practicing making a PB&J and less time dancing to Lady Keesha and J-Diddy they might have a man. But the only thing they're spreading right now is their legs.

[Mustang]

I'm disappointed the writer didn't use Paula Cole lyrics for reference points.

[Dr. Sak]

In the last year, I can't tell you how many women I have gone out with who cant cook and are amazed and happy that I can cook. It is like I know some sort of black magic.

[Mustang]

In the last year, I can't tell you how many women I have gone out with who cant cook and are amazed and happy that I can cook. It is like I know some sort of black magic.

.

[Noop]

I feel like Drake is winning me over. My gawd man that rant was golden!

[Drake]

My wife will tell you that I cook roughly 10x better than she does.

And she hates cooking, too. I hate it a little less, but I'd rather be happy my belly is full than stuffing twinkies into my gob and thinking about how much I want some tender swiss steak. So I cook.

Like Dr. Sak said, my wife treats my cooking (especially without recipes) like some sort of weird magic.

(For what it's worth, this is not a slam on my wife. I understand not liking to cook. I don't like to clean the bathroom, and if I have to, I half-ass it, just like my wife does cooking. My wife, on the other hand, would rather clean the bathroom than cook. So she does it and doesn't pretend like it's going to be my turn next time. On the other hand, we both hate folding laundry, so the clean piles tend to end up on the bed in the spare bedroom and we make the kids climb through it in the mornings to find what they're going to wear to school.)

[cuervo72]

Ahh, laundry mountains. Yep, we have those (both clean AND dirty ranges).

[DaddyTorgo]

Laundry mountins FTW. If you have the space then why are you wasting time folding laundry?

[Rizon]

Our dog demolishes laundry mountains, so we try not to keep any around.

[Drake]

Our dogs burrow under and into the laundry mountains to sleep. On that very rare occasion when I *will* fold clothes (every couple of weeks or so), they'll actually sit on the edge of bed and growl at me the entire time.

Given that they're a dacshund and a Boston terrier, I don't feel particularly threatened.

[Drake]

dola...

I have to say, though: men will admit to laundry mountains. I'm personally convinced that 70% of American households have laundry mountains. I think laundry mountains are more normal than not.

My wife beats herself up over being an awful housekeeper. She would be horrified if I talked about our laundry mountains. She would feel like other people were judging her as a woman, a wife and a mother, so women can't talk about these things. They have to talk about all the hours and hours they spent on housework while their deadbeat husband watched sports all weekend. And she has a full-time job just like he does! But men get a pass, because television has told the world we're allowed to be lazy like that -- we're allowed to watch sports while the house is a mess, because men don't "see" messes. (Har har! It's like Everybody Loves Raymond! My house is a mess, but it's my husband's fault 'cuz he's a bastard, but I love the big lug, so what're you gonna do? It's really family that matters, not whether my house is spotless, right? Right?! RIGHT!!!!)

Except, you know, while I was watching sports all weekend, my wife was playing Peggle on her computer. She was decompressing from her work week just like I was. Neither one of us said a thing about housework. Sure, I unloaded/re-loaded the dishwasher. I cooked. We grocery shopped. We made our bed (not), threw some laundry around to add to the mountain.

See? I can say that. I'm expected to be lazy (unless and until the yard needs mowed or the car needs tinkered with), so it doesn't cost me anything. My wife can't say that. She needs a target of blame for the house being a mess in the event that company comes over and we don't have the requisite hour warning to throw all of the kids' shit, two weeks worth of mail, all the dirty glasses, etc., on top of the laundry mountain in the spare bedroom. I understand that. Bearing that blame is part of my role.

I just wish that we'd quite playing this game where she blames me to my face when no one else is around when God knows I do half the housework just like she does. It's not my fault that men are held to a lower social standard for what constitutes a clean house. It's not my fault that if someone sees me vacuuming the rug, they're going to tell my wife that I'm a keeper because I vacuum (and helps you out...so, you need help to keep a clean house? You make your husband do it? Not much of a woman, are you?)

This is why women are angry. It has nothing to do with men. They're angry because they're too busy being condemned by the rest of their gender for having a filthy house when they know they should be making us sandwiches. You ever tell your woman to make you a sandwich?

She will be pissed-fucking-off. I kid you not. She'll ask you if your legs are broken. If you say they're not, she'll ask you if you want them to be.

It's not you. It's not your sandwich. It's the weight of gender guilt.

If women could just honestly share their feelings about these things, tell one another their honest truth and see that they're all normal, there would be more sandwiches made.

[DaddyTorgo]

Why am I not maried? Here's a great story.

My business partner (he's in the midst of a divorce) and I were just taking a walk over to get our afternoon cup of coffee. He was telling me about his court date on Monday (the first one).

His wife has burned through 3 lawyers so far, at a total cost of $50,000. She's submitted a "budget" that pegs her weekly expenses at $6,400. That's $332,800 a year. Even though she doesn't have a job, one of the kids is at college and the other one is a senior in hs, and the third is 12, she has a nanny that cooks and cleans and watches the kids so she can go out and shop and spend money with her friends.

That's insane.

What's the attraction of that!??!!? No p*ssy in the world is worth that kind of cash.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

He married the wrong kind of woman.

[Dr. Sak]

Nice find Mustang!

[Mustang]

My wife will tell you that I cook roughly 10x better than she does.


My 3 year old daughter informed my wife the other day that Daddy was the smart cook. If we want comfort food or something with gravy, my wife cooks it. If we want healthy or something unique, I'll cook it.

Whenever my wife finds a new recipe to try, I try to stay as far away as possible because something never turns out and she get pissed off. She saw a stuffed shrimp wonton recipe that she wanted to try to make and I told her that there was no way in hell that she was allowed to make that and if she wanted, I'd make it. I could hear how it would play out in my head and I wanted nothing to do with it. "THESE GOD DAMN WONTONS WON'T SEAL!" "WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY OPENING IN THE PAN" "EVERY DAMN TIME I TRY SOMETHING NEW IT DOESN'T WORK OUT!"

Actually.. there are more swear words used.

[Mustang]

Nice find Mustang!

I was looking for a larger pic, but give there isn't a large quantity of cooking referee pics, I couldn't be picky. :)

[Suburban Rhythm]

dola...

I have to say, though: men will admit to laundry mountains. I'm personally convinced that 70% of American households have laundry mountains. I think laundry mountains are more normal than not.

My wife beats herself up over being an awful housekeeper. She would be horrified if I talked about our laundry mountains. She would feel like other people were judging her as a woman, a wife and a mother, so women can't talk about these things. They have to talk about all the hours and hours they spent on housework while their deadbeat husband watched sports all weekend. And she has a full-time job just like he does! But men get a pass, because television has told the world we're allowed to be lazy like that -- we're allowed to watch sports while the house is a mess, because men don't "see" messes. (Har har! It's like Everybody Loves Raymond! My house is a mess, but it's my husband's fault 'cuz he's a bastard, but I love the big lug, so what're you gonna do? It's really family that matters, not whether my house is spotless, right? Right?! RIGHT!!!!)

Except, you know, while I was watching sports all weekend, my wife was playing Peggle on her computer. She was decompressing from her work week just like I was. Neither one of us said a thing about housework. Sure, I unloaded/re-loaded the dishwasher. I cooked. We grocery shopped. We made our bed (not), threw some laundry around to add to the mountain.

See? I can say that. I'm expected to be lazy (unless and until the yard needs mowed or the car needs tinkered with), so it doesn't cost me anything. My wife can't say that. She needs a target of blame for the house being a mess in the event that company comes over and we don't have the requisite hour warning to throw all of the kids' shit, two weeks worth of mail, all the dirty glasses, etc., on top of the laundry mountain in the spare bedroom. I understand that. Bearing that blame is part of my role.

I just wish that we'd quite playing this game where she blames me to my face when no one else is around when God knows I do half the housework just like she does. It's not my fault that men are held to a lower social standard for what constitutes a clean house. It's not my fault that if someone sees me vacuuming the rug, they're going to tell my wife that I'm a keeper because I vacuum (and helps you out...so, you need help to keep a clean house? You make your husband do it? Not much of a woman, are you?)

This is why women are angry. It has nothing to do with men. They're angry because they're too busy being condemned by the rest of their gender for having a filthy house when they know they should be making us sandwiches. You ever tell your woman to make you a sandwich?

She will be pissed-fucking-off. I kid you not. She'll ask you if your legs are broken. If you say they're not, she'll ask you if you want them to be.

It's not you. It's not your sandwich. It's the weight of gender guilt.

If women could just honestly share their feelings about these things, tell one another their honest truth and see that they're all normal, there would be more sandwiches made.

http://data.tumblr.com/v8Y1VvbEma2efk3vWvg3NmQm_400.gif

[Drake]

My 3 year old daughter informed my wife the other day that Daddy was the smart cook. If we want comfort food or something with gravy, my wife cooks it. If we want healthy or something unique, I'll cook it.

Whenever my wife finds a new recipe to try, I try to stay as far away as possible because something never turns out and she get pissed off. She saw a stuffed shrimp wonton recipe that she wanted to try to make and I told her that there was no way in hell that she was allowed to make that and if she wanted, I'd make it. I could hear how it would play out in my head and I wanted nothing to do with it. "THESE GOD DAMN WONTONS WON'T SEAL!" "WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY OPENING IN THE PAN" "EVERY DAMN TIME I TRY SOMETHING NEW IT DOESN'T WORK OUT!"

Actually.. there are more swear words used.

Hell, I'm not even on that level. I'm like short order cook. I can make bread from scratch. You know, stuff like grandma used to make.

My wife can make stuff out of a can, frozen or microwaved. When she wants to get fancy, she takes one of those pre-packaged pork tenderloins and boils it until it's up to temperature.

That's actually the only way my wife knows how to fix meat: she boils it until it's done.

I am only kidding a little. I can literally count on one hand the number of things my wife can fix that isn't pre-packaged, boiled, or heavily features Kraft Macaroni and Cheese as an ingredient. But like I said, she has neither the aptitude nor the desire to do anything else. I knew that when I married her, so it's not like I got shafted.

When I want really good home cooking, I go to my mom. When I want interesting/different, I go to a restaurant.

What terrifies me is that my kids have grown up thinking that this is what food looks like. You dump stuff out of cans, throw it into the microwave, and voila! Don't get me wrong: I'm highly convinced that this skill will serve them well in college. They won't starve to death in their first apartment.

No, what I fear is that the first Big Bertha fatty with a KAY S. HYMOWITZ man-hating disposition and a taste for skinny, malnourished men is going to fix him a goddamned gourmet sandwich with the french onion bread, the thick-cut smoked ham and the little pickles the first night he sleeps over, he's going to realize what food COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE when fixed by a woman and believe he's found THE ONE! His life has completely unprepared him to be able to see the sandwich in context.

[cuervo72]

Also the cook in my house. Not that I'm great (good portion of my cooking does include microwaved/frozen/prepackaged foods) and not that everyone eats everything I make (my daughter I think just likes to give me grief), but if I didn't cook, I probably wouldn't eat.*


*granted, my diet cuts out carbs, but meats and veggies still leave a lot to work with

edit: and like Drake, I knew this going in

[Drake]

Of course, when my wife and I got married, she knew going in that I made $5.45/hr. If I decided to quit my current IT job and work at the Gap because they give me a 25% discount on sporty trousers, she wouldn't be able to complain, right?

[Drake]

dola...

I now know where all the good men have gone. We're taking care of the failed women.

[StLee]

I'm married to a Korean so our cooking is split just the right way: she cooks Korean food and I cook everything that's not Korean. It works out perfectly for me because we have a lot of variety and don't have the burden of feeling one person "always" cooks.

BTW, Drake, comedy gold!

This is why women are angry. It has nothing to do with men. They're angry because they're too busy being condemned by the rest of their gender for having a filthy house when they know they should be making us sandwiches. You ever tell your woman to make you a sandwich?

She will be pissed-fucking-off. I kid you not. She'll ask you if your legs are broken. If you say they're not, she'll ask you if you want them to be.

It's not you. It's not your sandwich. It's the weight of gender guilt.

[terpkristin]

dola...

I now know where all the good men have gone. We're taking care of the failed women.

So...by virtue of having no debt other than my house, owning my house, and knowing how to cook and do laundry, I'm screwed? (in the not good way)

/tk

[tarcone]

So...by virtue of having no debt other than my house, owning my house, and knowing how to cook and do laundry, I'm screwed? (in the not good way)

/tk

If you start getting screwed, it turns into an addiction and you become an easy one night stand that no man will consider marrying. You need to read the articles.

[Chief Rum]

Our dogs burrow under and into the laundry mountains to sleep. On that very rare occasion when I *will* fold clothes (every couple of weeks or so), they'll actually sit on the edge of bed and growl at me the entire time.

Given that they're a dacshund and a Boston terrier, I don't feel particularly threatened.

Wow, I have a dachsund, too, who also likes to burrow into my laundry mountain. Of course, dachsunds are diggers, so maybe I am not so surprised.

As for not feeling threatened, you must wear hightops all the time. :D

[Noop]

Why am I not maried? Here's a great story.

My business partner (he's in the midst of a divorce) and I were just taking a walk over to get our afternoon cup of coffee. He was telling me about his court date on Monday (the first one).

His wife has burned through 3 lawyers so far, at a total cost of $50,000. She's submitted a "budget" that pegs her weekly expenses at $6,400. That's $332,800 a year. Even though she doesn't have a job, one of the kids is at college and the other one is a senior in hs, and the third is 12, she has a nanny that cooks and cleans and watches the kids so she can go out and shop and spend money with her friends.

That's insane.

What's the attraction of that!??!!? No p*ssy in the world is worth that kind of cash.

She does anal.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

was just listening to the joe rogan podcast. he had dave foley on. he can't go back to canada because they'll throw him in jail for child support. his wife's lawyer is using the financial records from his time on news radio. she wants some ungodly sum monthly.

apparently, if you take your kid to europe you can write the whole thing off under tuition costs as a school function/field trip.

[sterlingice]

In the last year, I can't tell you how many women I have gone out with who cant cook and are amazed and happy that I can cook. It is like I know some sort of black magic.

It's weird- this was true for my wife, too. She didn't care so much- she thought it was sweet. But so many of her friends were amazed that I could cook.

It turns out I like to eat, too, so I learned how to cook because you really can't live on SpaghettiOs if you like food. Both my parents are good at it- heck, my dad is better at cooking that my mom, tho it's close. Then again, I came from a pretty non-traditional home, I think- as my mom has always made more than my dad.

But my wife is a good cook, too. Her mom is excellent at cooking and her dad is a grill-master sort.

We eat well (and fortunately she makes me exercise to support our eating habit) :)

SI

[sterlingice]

This is why women are angry. It has nothing to do with men. They're angry because they're too busy being condemned by the rest of their gender for having a filthy house when they know they should be making us sandwiches. You ever tell your woman to make you a sandwich?

She will be pissed-fucking-off. I kid you not. She'll ask you if your legs are broken. If you say they're not, she'll ask you if you want them to be.

It's not you. It's not your sandwich. It's the weight of gender guilt.

If women could just honestly share their feelings about these things, tell one another their honest truth and see that they're all normal, there would be more sandwiches made.

To be fair, this is not unique to housekeeping. Think about clothing. If you're a guy, you have shirt and pants. Two items that are easy to put on and simple. For work, I make it even easier: I have solid colored clothes. Even at 6:30am, I can compute the algorithm
"choose_new (shirt);
choose_new (pants);
If shirt.color() = pants.color()
then choose_new (shirt)"

Think about how easy that is. There's nothing complicated there. And think about male dress clothes: meant to somewhat emphasize good features but definitely meant to cover up bad ones. I can wear a simple blue shirt and black pants and look pretty good. It takes 5 minutes.

Our shoes- dress shoes are pretty comfy as far as dress shoes go. Frankly, I wear Nikes to work because they're dark black, look nice, and no one notices shoes (thanks, Shawshank Redemption).

The tie... well, there's always an exception to the rule. Not sure who thought that one up. But I can't remember the last time I wore one.

Now think about the other side of the gender aisle- uncomfortable clothes, weird injuring shoes, makeup, cattiness. It's a mess. And my wife has talked so often about how it's not even so much for guys as it is for other girls. She's pretty low maintenance as these things go- no makeup, refuses to wear heels, nice person so she doesn't go around commenting about others' clothes. But it's definitely prevalent out there.

I mean, really, have you ever heard a guy go "How could he possibly wear that shirt to this" unless it's like a t-shirt at a formal wedding or something.

/rant off

This isn't to say all women are like this but it's not biological- it's completely socialized. Who even started that nonsense?

SI

[Rizon]

Who even started that nonsense?

SI

Cthulhu

[Warhammer]

It's funny, my wife cares about the house only because her mom (whose house is falling apart) will pick at everything if she ever comes into town.

Cooking for my wife is taking pre-packaged stuff and heating it. If we want a good meal, I cook. The problem is I am a good cook, I just hate doing it, unless it is something like bread, chili, burgers, steak, etc.

[Rizon]

, refuses to wear heels,

SI

My wife always wears heels. She refuses to wear heels less than 5 inches. But maybe because she's 4'11.

[Arles]

No issues. And its accepted. At this age, the gap isnt that big. It was a great decision by me for sure.
Just stumbled across this thread and it's a vastly underrated one :thumbsup:

I just asked my 10-years younger GF to marry me last week and couldn't be happier. Granted, this is my second go round, but she's a great compliment to me and seems more mature than me most of the time.

At this point, unless we're talking double the age, I don't see age difference as a big issue. It's more about common interests, personality and goals you both have.

And, as an aside, she handles all the cooking, cleaning and laundry. As I said, great compliment to me :D

[Izulde]

In the last year, I can't tell you how many women I have gone out with who cant cook and are amazed and happy that I can cook. It is like I know some sort of black magic.

Two black, two colorless for Sak's Meal of Awesomeness. 4/3, one red, one colorless to regenerate.

[Galaxy]

was just listening to the joe rogan podcast. he had dave foley on. he can't go back to canada because they'll throw him in jail for child support. his wife's lawyer is using the financial records from his time on news radio. she wants some ungodly sum monthly.

apparently, if you take your kid to europe you can write the whole thing off under tuition costs as a school function/field trip.

That sucks.

[jeff061]

Ladies.

I'm a very good looking guy, make good money and am severely emotionally disturbed.

Pick your fucking poison already. Is there one of those hot crazy graphs for dudes?

[JediKooter]

If there was, it would probably look like a kaleidoscope, since you have to take female rationalization skills into consideration.

[Rizon]

She pretty much nailed it.

It would be nice to send this to some of my wife's friends, whose lives seem to revolve around the next party. They always bitch about how they want to settle down but can't find the right man, though next thing you know they're at the club hanging all over some douchebag (who ends up never calling her back). And they can't figure it out.

Funny this thread bumps as yesterday we find out one of these friends of my wife ended up pregnant ... again ... with a loser guy ... and they can't figure out why the guy doesn't want any part of it.

[JediKooter]

Funny this thread bumps as yesterday we find out one of these friends of my wife ended up pregnant ... again ... with a loser guy ... and they can't figure out why the guy doesn't want any part of it.

I'd send her a congratulations card with a prescription for birth control pills in it.

[Blackadar]

Gratz, Arles. When's the big day?

[DanGarion]

Funny this thread bumps as yesterday we find out one of these friends of my wife ended up pregnant ... again ... with a loser guy ... and they can't figure out why the guy doesn't want any part of it.

Well he wanted a certain part...

[Rizon]

I'd send her a congratulations card with a prescription for birth control pills in it.

Well he wanted a certain part...

Seriously.

[Arles]

Gratz, Arles. When's the big day?
Sept 24 :)

[Chief Rum]

Funny this thread bumps as yesterday we find out one of these friends of my wife ended up pregnant ... again ... with a loser guy ... and they can't figure out why the guy doesn't want any part of it.


Gratz, Arles. When's the big day?


Am I the only one that read these quotes in close to near succession and thought Blackadar was joking that Arles was the loser guy in the first post? :D

I had forgotten about his news from earlier in the thread. Congrats, Arles!

[stevew]

Just stumbled across this thread and it's a vastly underrated one :thumbsup:

I just asked my 10-years younger GF to marry me last week and couldn't be happier. Granted, this is my second go round, but she's a great compliment to me and seems more mature than me most of the time.

At this point, unless we're talking double the age, I don't see age difference as a big issue. It's more about common interests, personality and goals you both have.

And, as an aside, she handles all the cooking, cleaning and laundry. As I said, great compliment to me :D

I saw her pic on facebook. Good work.

[JediKooter]

Am I the only one that read these quotes in close to near succession and thought Blackadar was joking that Arles was the loser guy in the first post? :D

I had forgotten about his news from earlier in the thread. Congrats, Arles!

I did too. :)

Congrats Arles! Looking forward to seeing you in the "It's Time for a Vasectomy" thread in a few years.